I really like your setup! The VT Bass seems like it adds so much to the fullness of the sound, along with the compressor. You've got great bass playing skills too :)
the VT bass is the must have pedal of my board. The ODB sat on a shelf for about a year until I combined it with the VT bass. I use mine as a preamp, it works wonders for my sound.
Threshold is the level at which the limiter will begin to limit. This can depend on the output of your bass. The ratio determines the amount of gain reduction based on how much the signal goes over the threshold.
i like it. the construction may not be as good as a boss pedal, but its been holding up without problems for a year now. it has a better buffer than most DOD pedals.
with the cs-3, I found that putting the sustain knob at around 11 o'clock was a way to have it not flatline my signal. However, to get the most out of it you may check out getting it modded. There are a couple mods out their that let it work better for bass.
gregg4164: If you care to notice, I have three pitch based effects in front of the distortions. Distortions add extra harmonics and prevent these effects from tracking properly. I like the compressor close to the front, so I use it to tame the harsh peaks of the bass wah. Other than that, all I can say is thats how i like it. Thats what music is all about dude. Whatever I like.
its a good delay. i don't use delay too often, but i do use it, and it gets the job done for me. if i were to get another, it would probably have a tap tempo.
+Joe Morgans Indeed, however I feel that some pedals need to have a little kick from the input to track there respective effects evenly. To tame these dynamic effects I now also use the MXR Bass Compressor at the end of my chain.
too be quite honest, I didn't experience any tone loss using the whammy pedal. I recently removed the dod phasor for an mxr phaser because of the tone sucking. The bass whammy is far too expensive just because its "vintage", its a crappier pedal than the current whammy pedals. If you are worried about tone suck, there are plenty of true bypass mods for the whammy found with a google search.
both are cool. distortion after octave. the OC-2 can be unpredictable, and throwing a distortion before it sounds great, but makes the pedal a little more wild. for the band i play in i just prefer octave before distortion
sounds like the micro pog is just what you need. has a dry and effected output. I know a band that has no bass player. the guitarist brings a bass amp onstage and put the effected out to the bass amp with the sub octave. his dry just goes to his guitar rig.
One may be able to achieve this sound with a big muff. The sustain knob can add the long sustaining tones. Check out Fripp & Eno "Evening Star". The guitar sound in it may give you an idea. Fripp plays a big muff through a 10 watt combo amp to get that ridiculous gain.
No problem, there is a reason why the bass whammy was discontinued. In fact, the one in this video I got for free. Someone I knew gave it to me in a broken state. I fixed it.
This is excellent. Thank you! What VT pedal settings do you use? Agree this is a must have, and surprised to see it last in your chain. Also have the SWR WP700. Cheers!
ok so I got a pedaloard lookin about half of what you got and my question to you is that I have just recently got a Ampeg SVT Pro 7 head and a Ampeg 4x10 cab and I also instead of the VT Bass pedal you got I have a Sansamp Bass Driver. Would I still need to use it with my new amp head and just blend it in the Bass heads favor (I was using the S.A.B.D with a low watage 100watt amp before this to help puush it more)? I also have a nice compressor knob on the ampeg head as well and was hoping that may save me from having to buy a compression pedal... Thanks for any help you can give me. I love your pedals and your playing style! Keep it up!!
Hi there Vince great video...a question..I place my Whammy 5 before my distortion (Aguilar Agro), the thing is...when I engage the Whammy...all the good grind of my distortion is gone...should I place the distortion/overdrive/fuzz....before the Whammy?....thanks
Vince--love your demo! Very helpful--thanks! Hoping you can help-- I'm pedal-challenged and trying to duplicate the bass sound that was used on Marty Robbins' song "Don't Worry ('Bout Me)". It's the instrumental refrain that sounds somewhat like a bass sax--maybe done on a synth? It's kind of a sawtooth-sounding waveform. Any idea if this can be duplicate on bass? What pedal(s) or synth is required? Much appreciated-- Keep the great videos comin'!
Would you say that the Whammy tracks well? I'm looking to split my signal and run two chain. One to strictly groove the low end while the second can either utilize lowend sucking pedals or I can (with the whammy) do a one to two octave up effect on the bass to get outside of the lowend register (while still being able to have my lowend groove). Nevertheless, does the Whammy track well when stuck in a full up position (no sweeping)?
Honestly, I believe thats a worn out tube in a guitar amp. It sounds similar to the way dying tubes sound. You could probably get close with a really gritty fuzz.
the hissing noise? most distortions and high gain pedals will do that. putting a gate or noise reducer after a distortion pedal may help, but i don't like using them.
I'll add the most effects loops sound like crap. The closest thing I have to a loop is a boss line selector. However it simply acts as an on/off switch for the pedalboard. So, If I have multiple pedals on for one part of a song, I can go to clean right away without having to tap dance!
Is the OC3 going through the bass amp input or into the effects loop? Could you explain which is going direct into the bass guitar input and which is going into the bass amp input and which goes through the effects loop? As I've a Boss ODB-3 and a Boss CEB-3 chorus.. and a Boss GEB- 7 Equalizer pedal. so what order do I have the pedals? ODB3 into the inoput of the amp right? Then then CEB-3 and GEB-7 eq pedal through the effects loop.. is that right?
I see much Juan Alderete influence on your board ;) how is that compressor? Have you tried it against other compressors? Im curious how it holds up against the mxr bass compressor.
Its good. A couple things to be aware of: if you have an active or high output instrument, this compressor clamps down pretty hard on them to the point of sounding like distortion. My stingray has too much output for this pedal and i always keep the volume really low on that bass.
Ok last question and i'll try in leave you alone lol. How do you like to keep your amp heads settings while using your VT Bass? Cause like I said I got a Sansamp Bass Driver and wanna put it in my pedalboard with the others and try coloring my other pedals with it like you do your VT Bass. I didn't think I would want it or would need it after I got my Ampeg SVT Pro 7 head but I guess it wouldn't hurt? And do you just run that entire pedalboard on you post threw the front input on your head? Or another way with the VT Bass and the rest of the pedals to the front input of the head?
In my opinion, effects loops suck. They always sound worse than just going to the front of the amp. As for the settings on my head, I usually just dial in whatever tone I like in the head before I engage the VT Bass. The VT Bass isn't perfect, so I usually tweek the head for some tone. But It depends on what head I'm using. For my SVT, the bass is at 3oclock, mid at 1oclock and treble at 1-2oclock. The SWR is a transparent amp, which is why i do demos with it. SVT's have a distinct character.
it tracks really well, but remember its not polyphonic (not this version anyway), for bass, the lower octave is the same with most other octavers. Its good till you hit an A or A flat.
with the ls2, can you have one signal competely clean and always on, and then switch to a mix of both signals? so signal A is clean, and B is my effects loop, so the footswitch toggles between A and A+B. is that possible? thanks :)
bass noob here, planning to buy EHX the mole bass booster but i have no clue if this will help with my EHX big muff NANO and MXR bass preamp(both awaiting from EBAY deliveries). These 3 will be my first bass guitar effects. We play post core genre. Hope you can advise me.Cheers!
@@joerobot32 I got the red one recently for bass but I felt like the tracking could have been better. I'm getting the bass version soon hopefully that will track better
I've just never seen the value of that investment. Considered getting one at one point, but couldn't justify spending that much money on a tuner. Snark makes great head stock tuners and that's what I use. More cost effective and you don't have to sacrifice pedal board space.
the only useful answer i can say is: mess with your pedal placements all the time. Don't settle if you are not digging the sound. Try it before, try it after, increase the gain on the overdrive, try anything that works for you. there is no wrong answer, only your own right answers.
Vince Di Francesco Thanks Vince - Nice demo - and great pedal board... oh... and very nice playing... takes a lot of moxie to put your mojo on the web ...
Vince Di Francesco I don't get people who are in their house with shoes. Feet sweat and cook in the shoes and you are going to tread the dirt from outside inside your home.
@sum16kwt the CS-2 is a much better compressor. far more natural sounding and musical. the CS-3 just flatlines your signal, and sounds awful for bass. i bought two CS-2's and got rid of the CS-3.
I cannot stress about how much I love the little melody you played at the end of the video with your Whammy pedal.
that was sweet with the whammy and the delay at the end,that would be sweet to hear a little jam with that.
tech 21 VT Bass combined with the Boss ODB sounds MASSIVE. great demo man
I really like your setup! The VT Bass seems like it adds so much to the fullness of the sound, along with the compressor. You've got great bass playing skills too :)
great video man, i was strongly thinking about buying the VT but wasn't too sure but you've definitely persuaded me to get it now, can't wait!
the VT bass is the must have pedal of my board. The ODB sat on a shelf for about a year until I combined it with the VT bass. I use mine as a preamp, it works wonders for my sound.
Threshold is the level at which the limiter will begin to limit. This can depend on the output of your bass. The ratio determines the amount of gain reduction based on how much the signal goes over the threshold.
i like it. the construction may not be as good as a boss pedal, but its been holding up without problems for a year now. it has a better buffer than most DOD pedals.
there are three inputs. channel A and B are both effects loops. you plug your pedals into either of the effects loops and mix with either level knob.
Am I the only one that really likes that ending? It sounds so cool, atmospheric. It reminds me of early Spyro games.
Very nice demo! Love the vt, might buy one haha, reallly love the whammy with the delay, sounds evil!
with the cs-3, I found that putting the sustain knob at around 11 o'clock was a way to have it not flatline my signal. However, to get the most out of it you may check out getting it modded. There are a couple mods out their that let it work better for bass.
gregg4164: If you care to notice, I have three pitch based effects in front of the distortions. Distortions add extra harmonics and prevent these effects from tracking properly. I like the compressor close to the front, so I use it to tame the harsh peaks of the bass wah. Other than that, all I can say is thats how i like it. Thats what music is all about dude. Whatever I like.
Gotcha well thanks again for the great info. Can't wait to go home and play around some more! Peace~~~
its a good delay. i don't use delay too often, but i do use it, and it gets the job done for me. if i were to get another, it would probably have a tap tempo.
yup, wah is quite dynamic and the compressor controls the peaks.
love this board, solid demo. thanks for sharing!
Hey there put your bass synth wah before your compressor!! It works by sensing spikes in volume and that's what the compressor gets rid of!!
+Joe Morgans Indeed, however I feel that some pedals need to have a little kick from the input to track there respective effects evenly. To tame these dynamic effects I now also use the MXR Bass Compressor at the end of my chain.
too be quite honest, I didn't experience any tone loss using the whammy pedal. I recently removed the dod phasor for an mxr phaser because of the tone sucking. The bass whammy is far too expensive just because its "vintage", its a crappier pedal than the current whammy pedals. If you are worried about tone suck, there are plenty of true bypass mods for the whammy found with a google search.
both are cool. distortion after octave. the OC-2 can be unpredictable, and throwing a distortion before it sounds great, but makes the pedal a little more wild. for the band i play in i just prefer octave before distortion
great setup, think ill have to try the delay+whammy
sounds like the micro pog is just what you need. has a dry and effected output. I know a band that has no bass player. the guitarist brings a bass amp onstage and put the effected out to the bass amp with the sub octave. his dry just goes to his guitar rig.
One may be able to achieve this sound with a big muff. The sustain knob can add the long sustaining tones. Check out Fripp & Eno "Evening Star". The guitar sound in it may give you an idea. Fripp plays a big muff through a 10 watt combo amp to get that ridiculous gain.
No problem, there is a reason why the bass whammy was discontinued. In fact, the one in this video I got for free. Someone I knew gave it to me in a broken state. I fixed it.
This is excellent. Thank you! What VT pedal settings do you use? Agree this is a must have, and surprised to see it last in your chain. Also have the SWR WP700. Cheers!
Thanks Vince for your reply...will sure do...
your bass sounds great all alone, but you put a great board together, mate.
yes, except now I i have a boss LS-2 to switch between clean and effects. I use it when I want to go to clean right after Iv got multiple effects on.
I'm using a Godlyke Powerall. I connected two daisy chains together. Powers the pedals just fine with no noise. Avoid 1Spot adapters.
its one of the best pairings for the whammy!
Were you by chance playing the intro to Coheed & Cambria's "Here we are Juggernaut"? Sounds very similar lol. Excellent assortment of pedals btw.
ok so I got a pedaloard lookin about half of what you got and my question to you is that I have just recently got a Ampeg SVT Pro 7 head and a Ampeg 4x10 cab and I also instead of the VT Bass pedal you got I have a Sansamp Bass Driver. Would I still need to use it with my new amp head and just blend it in the Bass heads favor (I was using the S.A.B.D with a low watage 100watt amp before this to help puush it more)? I also have a nice compressor knob on the ampeg head as well and was hoping that may save me from having to buy a compression pedal... Thanks for any help you can give me. I love your pedals and your playing style! Keep it up!!
Hi there Vince great video...a question..I place my Whammy 5 before my distortion (Aguilar Agro), the thing is...when I engage the Whammy...all the good grind of my distortion is gone...should I place the distortion/overdrive/fuzz....before the Whammy?....thanks
@sum16kwt i dont know what to tell you, my rig is fairly quiet, but it also helps that i recorded at a low volume.
Vince--love your demo! Very helpful--thanks!
Hoping you can help-- I'm pedal-challenged and trying to duplicate the bass sound that was used on Marty Robbins' song "Don't Worry ('Bout Me)". It's the instrumental refrain that sounds somewhat like a bass sax--maybe done on a synth? It's kind of a sawtooth-sounding waveform. Any idea if this can be duplicate on bass? What pedal(s) or synth is required? Much appreciated-- Keep the great videos comin'!
Would you say that the Whammy tracks well? I'm looking to split my signal and run two chain. One to strictly groove the low end while the second can either utilize lowend sucking pedals or I can (with the whammy) do a one to two octave up effect on the bass to get outside of the lowend register (while still being able to have my lowend groove). Nevertheless, does the Whammy track well when stuck in a full up position (no sweeping)?
Combining VT Bass + ODB can get the same sound Tim Commerford of RATM ???
awesome vid man! a question, how are you powering your pedals?
Honestly, I believe thats a worn out tube in a guitar amp. It sounds similar to the way dying tubes sound. You could probably get close with a really gritty fuzz.
Cool board man. What do you use to power everything?
You are a true talent.
Nice demo.
I have a question... your wah is before the compressor?
the hissing noise? most distortions and high gain pedals will do that. putting a gate or noise reducer after a distortion pedal may help, but i don't like using them.
Great--thanks! Can you recommend one or two brand/models to shop for? I thought that an ocataver might also have bee involved....
Great Demo
I'll add the most effects loops sound like crap. The closest thing I have to a loop is a boss line selector. However it simply acts as an on/off switch for the pedalboard. So, If I have multiple pedals on for one part of a song, I can go to clean right away without having to tap dance!
its only a bit noisier than the cs2. in a live mix, you wont hear it. the cs3 just flatlines the signal, not a lot of dynamics
MOUNTAIN SONG hell yeah
Love Tech 21 products.
Is the OC3 going through the bass amp input or into the effects loop? Could you explain which is going direct into the bass guitar input and which is going into the bass amp input and which goes through the effects loop? As I've a Boss ODB-3 and a Boss CEB-3 chorus.. and a Boss GEB- 7 Equalizer pedal. so what order do I have the pedals? ODB3 into the inoput of the amp right? Then then CEB-3 and GEB-7 eq pedal through the effects loop.. is that right?
I heard that the CS3 Boss compressor pedal is not great for bass because it smashes a lot of the low end sound of your tone.
jazz with darkstars, I dig
ah cool, and also, are all your pedals in one continuous loop? :)
Vince, I have the CS-3 I know that it isnt the best option for bass, can you advice me some settings to make it sound a little bit better? thanks!!
Mr. Murk, damn good point.
I see much Juan Alderete influence on your board ;) how is that compressor? Have you tried it against other compressors? Im curious how it holds up against the mxr bass compressor.
Its good. A couple things to be aware of: if you have an active or high output instrument, this compressor clamps down pretty hard on them to the point of sounding like distortion. My stingray has too much output for this pedal and i always keep the volume really low on that bass.
Cool sounds!!!!!
Such awesome tones! =O
Ok last question and i'll try in leave you alone lol. How do you like to keep your amp heads settings while using your VT Bass? Cause like I said I got a Sansamp Bass Driver and wanna put it in my pedalboard with the others and try coloring my other pedals with it like you do your VT Bass. I didn't think I would want it or would need it after I got my Ampeg SVT Pro 7 head but I guess it wouldn't hurt? And do you just run that entire pedalboard on you post threw the front input on your head? Or another way with the VT Bass and the rest of the pedals to the front input of the head?
In my opinion, effects loops suck. They always sound worse than just going to the front of the amp. As for the settings on my head, I usually just dial in whatever tone I like in the head before I engage the VT Bass. The VT Bass isn't perfect, so I usually tweek the head for some tone. But It depends on what head I'm using. For my SVT, the bass is at 3oclock, mid at 1oclock and treble at 1-2oclock. The SWR is a transparent amp, which is why i do demos with it. SVT's have a distinct character.
Really nice demo, thanks Vince. What model Whammy is that? -Teddy
how do you like using the dd3 on bass? i have one but might get rid of it for something else
great setup!
it tracks really well, but remember its not polyphonic (not this version anyway), for bass, the lower octave is the same with most other octavers. Its good till you hit an A or A flat.
can i have an opinion? I have wah, dist, compressor, eq, and noise gate.. i wanna add a zoom b2.. Where should the multi effects be?
with the ls2, can you have one signal competely clean and always on, and then switch to a mix of both signals? so signal A is clean, and B is my effects loop, so the footswitch toggles between A and A+B. is that possible? thanks :)
Can you tell me how to set the threshold and ratio ? I have a bass limiter
bass noob here, planning to buy EHX the mole bass booster but i have no clue if this will help with my EHX big muff NANO and MXR bass preamp(both awaiting from EBAY deliveries). These 3 will be my first bass guitar effects. We play post core genre. Hope you can advise me.Cheers!
dont get the booster. im assuming its like an active bass freq eq? you can get a similar boost in lowend from your preamp.
how about octave after distortion? have you tried it? which is better?
Jeez your pedal board is massive compared to mine, I only have three pedals, distortion, gain and a flanger for fun
also how do you have your micro pog setup in this video...knob wise. Outside of knowing you keep your sub knob down.
i keep the dry all the way up, and the higher octave at 1 oclock
Ok sweet thanks!!! I just got one yesterday and went straight to your video to see if I could make it out haha. Thanks again & keep the post's coming.
level: 12 o'clock, bass/treble: both at 12 o'clock, balance: 9 o'clock, gain: 8 o'clock
how do you manage to have no noise? u dont use any noise suppressor pedal?
I was able to make like a 'yeah' on the a string using the digitech synth pedal.. I just thought it was cool.
May I ask where you set the attack knob on your CS-2? Many thanks!
All the way up
I never use effects loops. always bass/guitar-effects-amp
I've been accumulating them for about 10 years now, so not as big of a burden as you might think.
btw do you have any idea how to eliminate that anoying noise that comes out when ODB and VTBASS are combinded? i hear the same noise in your video too
get rid of the tweeter in your cab.
that pedalboard must cost more than my life lol! anyway, great sounds in deed, especially the VT+ODB combo blew my fucking mind
i believe its the whammy iv
please explain me your pedals order :)
Great setup, but why doesn't anyone wear shoes in their pedalboard demo?
So I don't get the carpet in my house dirty. why else?
what about the noise? is it really noisy?
What kind of settings do you have on the ODB-3?
yes that is correct.
very nice
is the CS 3 fine for bass guitar?
is the behringer flanger good enough ?
is there any problem using digitech guitar whammy with bass?
I have not experienced any problems.
thanks man. Is there any reason why you don't use digitech bass whammy ?
Ernesto Trujillo I have not come across one. But they are usually quite expensive.
Hey man have you tried the bass Whammy?
To be honest, Ive never even seen one in person. If its polyphonic, its probably better than the red one.
@@joerobot32 I got the red one recently for bass but I felt like the tracking could have been better. I'm getting the bass version soon hopefully that will track better
No boss chromatic tuner?
I've just never seen the value of that investment. Considered getting one at one point, but couldn't justify spending that much money on a tuner. Snark makes great head stock tuners and that's what I use. More cost effective and you don't have to sacrifice pedal board space.
Cody Goll The polytune mini by tc electronic is the best tuner out there for all the reasons you listed.
the only useful answer i can say is: mess with your pedal placements all the time. Don't settle if you are not digging the sound. Try it before, try it after, increase the gain on the overdrive, try anything that works for you. there is no wrong answer, only your own right answers.
VT BASS + Bass Overdrive = Tim Commerford Sound :O
no problem man!
It sounds like i have it on the setting that alternates between fifths and sixths.
That tremelo effect sounded like the Enter The Dragon theme tune..
mmm... bass and pedals... T A S T Y ! ! !
So, uh...how much did all this cost?
Mxr Bass Innovations Compressor!
What's up with bass players hating shoes?
Einstein hated socks, maybe its our genius. But seriously, I don't usually wear shoes inside my house.
Vince Di Francesco
Thanks Vince - Nice demo - and great pedal board... oh... and very nice playing... takes a lot of moxie to put your mojo on the web ...
Vince Di Francesco
I don't get people who are in their house with shoes. Feet sweat and cook in the shoes and you are going to tread the dirt from outside inside your home.
@sum16kwt the CS-2 is a much better compressor. far more natural sounding and musical. the CS-3 just flatlines your signal, and sounds awful for bass. i bought two CS-2's and got rid of the CS-3.