The moment i saw janet van dyne i was like "no way it can't be one of the pyms right?" But then i saw the fight with natasha and that 100 percent proves it was one of them
This whole episode asked what if phase one was rebooted because Hope was actually a Shield agent who died in the line of duty and Hank Pym finally went as crazy as he was in the comics and decided to kill the Avengers before they formed for vengeance. Luckily in the end they have both Captains on deck so Loki is fucked and the entire world is in good hands
It was interesting that they seemed to go with a mix of the first ant man suit with Yellowjacket’s design incorporated into it as well for an evil Hank Pym.
Well, that actually happens in the comics. Hank loses his mind & becomes another hero by the name of Yellowjacket who isn’t as good of a hero like Ant-Man.
Nick Fury sitting in somber silence as he looks over the coffins of the Avengers. Nick: Oh wait, we could just put them through Project T.A.H.I.T.I.. Coulson: Please don’t.
This episode has set the 'anything can happen, anyone can die' precedent for me, gonna be a lot more tense for the next episodes now that that's settled in my brain.
@@ravenwraith1017 True. And I'm thinking since "Saturday" is based on a Roman god, Loki might soon want to claim it for the Norse too: Lokiday, probably. 😁
You also have to remember Hank was at his physical limit with the suit. Since he was continuing to use it after Hope died, there's no telling how that effed with his brain chemistry.
@@voizcrack Hank Pym was a famous scientist that worked with SHEILD so I guess he figured if Hank did it others could and adapted accordingly, Stark is the MCU version of Batman having a tool for every conservable threat.
@@cheeseninja1115 Hank never revealed he has achieved that though, he was antman for a while without anyone knowing, thats why Hank was mad when Scott revealed the antman suit to the avengers
I love they have Lake Bell voicing Natasha/Black Widow. Sure, Scarlet would have been nice but it's Poison Ivy from the Harley Quinn series so I can't complain! And Stephanie Panisello (Claire Redfield from Resident Evil 2 remake and Infinite Darkness) voices Betty Ross. This is my favourite episode by far. I loved the last one, but this wasn't just fun, it was also an interesting take on Fury's Big Week. For a bit I thought the twist was gonna be Hydra coming out of the shadows early, but I'm so much happier with what they did instead.
Yeah I was getting excited for a hydravengers, instead they ruin their Canon powerset again.... the avengers slapped loki around, you're really gonna write in that the guy who kills the avengers gets slapped around by pre banished loki?
@@rjeizzay9619 it’s not like he beat them straight up he assassinated almost all of the avengers, of course loki could slap around a guy the falcon could probably beat
This became my favorite episode so far. I really enjoyed the murder mystery aspect. I was originally thinking the change in this universe would be Hydra deciding to take out the Avenger Initiative candidates, so the fact it turned out to be Hank Pym instead genuinely surprised me in a good way. Once they said Hope was an agent who died I was kicking myself for not thinking of Hank. Good nod to the comics if Hank having a mental breakdown and becoming Yellowjacket.
Isn’t there’s a chance Alexander Pierce kinda orchestrated this, like remember in this universe, Bucky killed Hope, and Bucky was with Hydra at this point, furthermore they mentioned him twice in this episode
@@Blitz-dm3kv Because "What if" is meant to show stories that we normally wouldnt be able to see, something unique that changes everything about the plot. Compare episode 2 and 3 with episode 1 and you can drastically see the difference in quality with the story telling, unique character interactions, and overall just a better flow to it. The first episode, while I do appreciate it, felt like it was going at 2x speed (seriously, rewatch it and notice how fast they talk and shove the entire plot of the movie), and it was just a retelling of the movie with the only real change being the location if the fight and Steve being able to using an iron man suit. It's an extremely weak entry to the "what if" series so far, and if the rest of the episodes are good then it'll be hands down the weakest of the bunch which is a shame because I actually do like how they did Captain Carter and pray to some marvel god that they can somehow multiverse her into the MCU
@@Blitz-dm3kv I didn't hate it but for me it was a weak episode because after a few events from TFA it started to look a little too redundant. I keeped watching hoping for something new that wasn't in the movie.
@@journeym4n-l5s So, Bucky being alive and not turning into the winter soldier, Steve using an Iron Man suit before time and aging in his time, and the huge cthulu monster ain't that different from the movie?
I think it's a callback from AOS Coulson: I can't think of a single time when anything alien in human hands ended well. Skye: Wouldn't mind getting my human hands on Thor. He's so dreamy... Coulson: Sure, he's handsome, but- May: No. He's dreamy.
Lots of subtle visual clues in this one. “Fury” opens his arms up into the classic Loki pose at the beginning of the scene with Pym, hinting at what’s really going on in the scene. And the shot of Fury walking away from the coffins is reminiscent of Captain Marvel art, indicating he’s about to call her.
I enjoyed this episode! I loved the fact that Marvel made a bit of detective move where parts of it was in the style of the movie 'SE7EN'. Examples: - The days of the week - The random kills/deaths of each hero + the revels of how they've occurred. - Natasha spends her night doing her detective work at library - And, of course... the "WHAT'S IN THE BOX?" reference.
I do love how when fury has his back to the wall he's like: -R1, R2, L1, R2, Left, Down, Right, Up, Left, Down, Down, Down - Captain Marvel (cheat activated)
@@JanglesPrime999 It is, but it had these strange cut-outs. And in CATWS, Fury and Pierce’s rooms have a rectangular shape. Could always be wrong, tho. Maybe it’s not meant to be literal.
When I started this episode I had to stop looking at the screen so I dont see the credits but man, I can't believe the avengers died, and Loki got his wish, this episode was really out there and I love that we saw Hank as Yellow Jacket, cause in the comics he does become insane like this
I loved that this took a different turn from the previous two episodes! Each episode has a different genre - first one is action/war, second is sci-fi, third is mystery, all within this what if verse where anything can happen!
I dont think except Loki counts becoz at that moment Loki knew about his opponent, Ant man can be a huge threat to superheroes if they dont know its him, which is why everyone else died, but once a hero knows what they r up against with the right powerset they could defeat him
@@Qbesent Loki is stronger than Antman with Asgard powers. He can see him when shrunken, he has extremely durable body, enhanced senses and strength and magic illusion powers.
This episode had me sitting there trying to be a sleuth like Nancy Drew for a full half hour, trying to figure out who done it haha. I was half convinced it was some kinda ghost at one point lol. This episode was a trippy ride and it made me appreciate the Avengers even more man cause like...One thing and they all coulda been gone. But like Hulk exploding...is gonna give me nightmares. All in all...great episode. Loving What if... so far. Marvel is Awesome as always.
I also like that there were no cheats. The camera wasn't hiding the murderer or anything like that, he wasn't sneakily being edited out, he was literally right there, just too small to see.
The MCU Hank Pym has never really lived up to the comics version, where he lives on the razor’s edge of sanity and occasionally crosses over into these types of chaotic evil. This was a really, REALLY cool episode for lots of reasons, but especially for how it introduced Hank’s darkness to a whole bunch of non-comics readers.
Fun fact: in the comics, Hank does become the first Yellowjacket. Which is when that infamous panel of him hitting Janet comes from. Which apparently was a miscommunication between the writer and the artist.
At first I thought the Winter Soldier was somehow taking them all down. I also think that the fact that Pym Particles makes you crazy over long exposure played into this a bit too. Great episode, it kept me guessing.
Project TAHITI was also shut down by Coulson because it was adversely affecting the minds of its subjects; it could only be brought back by Fury AFTER his death, because Phil would never agree to it being brought back unless it was their only recourse to save the world.
I think this was a redemption of Ant-Man as a Superhero. He's always been the dopey side character, but this episode alone shows just how dangerous and powerful he could actually be.
You guys mentioned making Hulk small. There's a very lengthy run in the comics from back in the seventies where Hulk gets shrunk and goes to the Microverse where he's always the hulk and meets his true love, Jarella, I think. Its a pretty good run of the comic, a bit like Horton Hears a Who where the Hulk has many adventures on a world no larger than a mote of dust.
Them talking about shrinking the Hulk down makes me wonder just how powerful the Hulk would be with all that strength condensed down into a tiny point. Also, it'd be amazing if this version of Captain American eventually took Mjolnir to fight back against Loki because no one else could pick it up.
Thank you for acknowledging that Hank had his abusive side back in the comics! I’ll never like that character completely, because I still see him that way. Coulson was adorable!
The actor who played Stanley in The Incredible Hulk also voiced the 1967 Spider-Man cartoon. (He and Edward Norton also worked together in The Score - 2001)
Man, I was really not excited for this episode, but it might actually be my favorite so far. This episode got more intriguing by the minute. They just keep getting better.
Around 23:45 you're right, i doubt they can magic hulk back, but I'd figured that project Tahiti, they brought back a technically regular agent like coulson(barely watched agents of shield outside of knowing it exists, not much a tv watcher lol), it's laughable if they had it in this universe for actual avengers, fury's just like "no... I don't think I will." (That can double up with the tramuatized avengers coming back being hostile and paranoid from dying basically (with maybe Thor being the first one the caps can reason with lol))
Several characters were in the planning stages to appear that ultimately didn't show up. These include Jasper Sitwell, Jane Foster, James Rhodes, Whiplash and Emil Blonsky. Bucky Barnes is given a question mark next to his name, and though he doesn't blatantly appear in the episode, his actions are alluded to the cause of Hope van Dyne's death.
Speaking of Whiplash, the Stark Expo was planned to be one of the following locations covered after Tony's death. This would have involved Whiplash facing off against someone else, but the whole sequence was ultimately scrapped.
In the comics Hank and Janet were the ones who basically made the Avengers. It's almost haunting, the idea that Hank in this universe was the one who destroyed them.
Whoa! Crazy to hear my channel name get mentioned! (And you actually did get it right, Eric!) Thanks for your thoughts, guys! Love your reactions, you're all a huge inspiration to me! (Even if you are from Ohio!) Lol
I love all the little differences outside of the main change in each episode, like in this episode captain America was frozen on purpose in a cryo tank
each episode is pretty much a One off episode and i love it.. If they left it or came back to them it wouldnt matter ..As long as they keep giving us More.
The JJ Abrams show Eric was talking about is Fringe. And the character that is hidden and watching everything is The Observer. Please vote for Fringe next time it's in polls!
Shout out to Mick who sounds close enough as RDJ that’s he’s set for life doing any voiceover for iron man the rest of his life haha. His IMDb he’s done so much already
30:23 "Poised to fight Loki" - I mean... I don't know if "fight" is the word I'd use. Captain Marvel went toe-to-toe with Thanos when he had all the stones. Loki got summarily wrecked by Hulk, who got beat down by Thanos. Even with the Asgardian extras, I feel like that fight is gonna consist of a montage of Steve moodily punching a bag, while Danvers casually evicts the invaders.
We are left on hopeful words at the end though, I can imagine the next Avengers Roster. Captain America, Captain Marvel, Maybe someone put in charge of Stark Tech, Maybe someone put in charge of Pym Tech, Thor was killed in Thor 1 when he was a regular dude too and was revived because he sacrificed himself so if Odin decides to not be a dick they have that too, If they find other shield agents worth to add to the Avengers, They have abomination, Sorcerors are still just vibing. Any Villains who decide they don't want to be dicks anymore. Wakanda. Lots of possibilities and the Watcher didn't end on a bad note like in the T'challa episode with Peter and Ego meeting so that's pretty neat and leans in for a more hopeful future.
I would imagine Wakanda wouldnt help the world since they don't have a good opinion about the outside world right now, but I can imagine the Avengers would be Captain America as the leader, Captain Marvel, War Machine, the Warriors Three, Sif, a Shield agent with the yellow jacket (or maybe Nick would be both brilliant and ballsy enough to recruit Scott while he's in jail) and Abomination with the help of some Sorcerers like Wong or Mordo. I don't think there is anyone else in the timeline who could be in the Avengers, maybe T'challa sneaking out of Wakanda since he probably gives a fuck about the rest of the world but he wouldnt be as skilled like in the original timeline.
Sbeve, Carol, Rhodey... that's it. If Loki is foolish enough to approach Wakanda, I guess a young T'challa as well. Strange and Peter in a few years, but I doubt Loki would last that long.
Something i notice is that, while effective being stealthy and a silent killer, was because Hank got the element of suprise, once he lose that at the ending, he got his ass kicked.
Regarding the pizza hat & jacket in The Incredible Hulk, Banner disguises himself as a pizza delivery guy to gain access to the university and hilariously runs into Lou Ferrrigno as a security guard who he bribes with a pizza.
Because of the TAHITI thing... Coulson was in charge of it and disbanded the program if you recall. The only reason fury used it on coulson was because he looked over it probably. But in this episode, with coulson still alive, no way they would use it on someone
I think that the new avengers in this universe are War Machine, Black Panther (2012), Captain Marvel, Captain America, Ancient One, Jane Foster (Thor) - I mean Jane Foster is alive and Thor's hammer is still on earth and Jane Foster doesn't have to have cancer to become Thor just look at what Avenger Assemble (TV show) did - and Laura Barton - Clint Barton's wife - (Hawkeye).
They can do so much with these universes beyond in series. Even the timeline with T'challa Star-Lord(recast); the Watcher said Ego and Quill together _could_ mean the end. Not that it was.
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Quake Sky Daisy would actually not be a bad choise.
Ghost Rider also could be usefull.
from the ones who havent showed up Squirle Girl would just be very OP choise.
I believe Captain Carter and T'Challa Starlord are in the same universe...lol
My idea for Marvel's What If...?: What If... Captain America Never Became Frozen During WW2
This sort of murder mystery was a realy nice breeze of fresh air in the MCU. I realy thought it was invisible Loki...until he showed up seperatly.
Someone forgot about ghost
I thought it was Coulson.
@@insertcringynamehere I thought of Coulson too. Sorry, Phil...
The moment i saw janet van dyne i was like "no way it can't be one of the pyms right?" But then i saw the fight with natasha and that 100 percent proves it was one of them
Coulson and Loki sus
This episodes proves that the “Antman can defeat Thanos” theory is correct.
Ant man was always OP asf.
Obviously, any man can create a black hole lol
@@jelly_is_thicc4872 what are you talking about
@@jelly_is_thicc4872 you’re not THE OwO…
@@Qbesent using real science Ant Man making himself that small but containing the same mass creates a black hole but this is movie science
fun fact Hope was killed by the Winter Solider. the mission fury mentions is the same one Widow mentions in CA:2.
Odessa was the mission
Yeah... real... fun...
Wonder what Captain America winter soldier will look like now with no black widow
That’s so cool
That's so cool lmao
This whole episode asked what if phase one was rebooted because Hope was actually a Shield agent who died in the line of duty and Hank Pym finally went as crazy as he was in the comics and decided to kill the Avengers before they formed for vengeance.
Luckily in the end they have both Captains on deck so Loki is fucked and the entire world is in good hands
What if Loki won.
@@crapstirrer President Loki
Also in a few years Spidey, Doctor Strange, maybe War Machine.
Both captains, haha. Not taking bets on which one pulls Loki’s spine out his ass
Its a branched multiverse timeline.
This was basically a Scooby-doo episode where the bad guy turns out to be an angry old man in a mask.
I’m shocked they actually found a way to kill the Hulk.
Hank used the Hulk to destroy the Hulk.
Comics hulk wouldn't die even if you blow him up he have healing factor better than Deadpool and even wolverine the mcu really Nerfed him
@@S4IF616 Good MCU is nerfing characters. Scales in comics are out of proportions.
@@damesayo4656 It's true. That's the problem with comics, they have no consequences. And I'm saying that as a reader.
Right?! Honestly, that's when I had a huge hunch that it'd be Hank Pym. IT'd take someone that smart to take out Hulk and also not be seen doing it!
It was interesting that they seemed to go with a mix of the first ant man suit with Yellowjacket’s design incorporated into it as well for an evil Hank Pym.
Well, that actually happens in the comics. Hank loses his mind & becomes another hero by the name of Yellowjacket who isn’t as good of a hero like Ant-Man.
Actually the helmet was from the second Ant-Man suit.
It was interesting that *hank pym was closer to his comic book character
Didn’t Hank beat his wife in the comics, like that shit is messed up
@@dragon_ninja_2186 Upon further inspection you’re right my bad
This episode Is burdened with glorious purpose
So good to see him again right after coming off of Loki xD
Nick Fury sitting in somber silence as he looks over the coffins of the Avengers.
Nick: Oh wait, we could just put them through Project T.A.H.I.T.I..
Coulson: Please don’t.
Tahiti, its a magical place
@@ashwanthss5042 I heard they have great mango farms
@@ashwanthss5042 it sucked
This show keeps getting better and better. The best thing is they can do it forever with endless universes at their disposal!
apparently season 2 has already been given the fiege thumbs up
What if Thanos sneezed when he was getting ready to snap
@@DarrenN-lm5xqbetter be a 'what if antman killed thanos the way we all predicted' or we riot 🤬🤬🤣
@@DarrenN-lm5xq or what if the thanus meme actually happened?
Anyone still disturbed how Hulk go out? 😂
I’m surprised they were able to even show it… granted it was Green blood… but still quite a brutal way to die.
@@Fi_Sci_ poor banner he really didn’t want to be part of anything
I watched the episode twice, the second time with my sister and she exploded in laughter when Hulk...well... exploded. I was horrified
Also Hawkeye may have had a brutal death too
Hank Pym came out of his ear, he might have destroyed his brain
Definitely the most brutal deaths in the MCU so far.
This episode has set the 'anything can happen, anyone can die' precedent for me, gonna be a lot more tense for the next episodes now that that's settled in my brain.
Ahh, Loki took over on Friday -- Frigga's Day! His mom would be so proud. 😁
His mum was still alive when that happened
@@tevcon317 She would be, yes.
He made his declaration of intent to stay on earth on Thor’s Day, as well, lol
@@ravenwraith1017 True. And I'm thinking since "Saturday" is based on a Roman god, Loki might soon want to claim it for the Norse too: Lokiday, probably. 😁
You also have to remember Hank was at his physical limit with the suit. Since he was continuing to use it after Hope died, there's no telling how that effed with his brain chemistry.
Great point, at that point a mix of loss and technology was a toxic mix for his psychology... oof!
And he also swam though hulks gamma blood
Just goes to show how powerful Ant-Man is. And how much damage he could do as a villain.
agreed but to me the fucking visor falcon had in the ant man movie is just too powerful like did Stark already know the threat of shrinking enemies
@@voizcrack Hank Pym was a famous scientist that worked with SHEILD so I guess he figured if Hank did it others could and adapted accordingly, Stark is the MCU version of Batman having a tool for every conservable threat.
@@cheeseninja1115 Hank never revealed he has achieved that though, he was antman for a while without anyone knowing, thats why Hank was mad when Scott revealed the antman suit to the avengers
nevermind shield was very much aware of the "antman" they just didnt know who it is
@@voizcrack Hank was a SHIELD agent as Ant-Man, and remember, Tony hacked the SHIELD database in 1st _Avengers._
4:08 “you just accidentally killed, humanity!” Perfect timing 😂
Lmfaooo I caught that too
I love they have Lake Bell voicing Natasha/Black Widow. Sure, Scarlet would have been nice but it's Poison Ivy from the Harley Quinn series so I can't complain! And Stephanie Panisello (Claire Redfield from Resident Evil 2 remake and Infinite Darkness) voices Betty Ross. This is my favourite episode by far. I loved the last one, but this wasn't just fun, it was also an interesting take on Fury's Big Week. For a bit I thought the twist was gonna be Hydra coming out of the shadows early, but I'm so much happier with what they did instead.
Yeah I was getting excited for a hydravengers, instead they ruin their Canon powerset again.... the avengers slapped loki around, you're really gonna write in that the guy who kills the avengers gets slapped around by pre banished loki?
@@rjeizzay9619 it’s not like he beat them straight up he assassinated almost all of the avengers, of course loki could slap around a guy the falcon could probably beat
@@rjeizzay9619 your issue is assuming they have the exact same power level in these alternate universes
@@rjeizzay9619 do you really have that much trouble believing that Loki could beat Hank Pym? Come on
I do wish they got laura bailey, but yeah, lake bell was good too.
I love how this episode is basically an alternate version of the "Fury's Big Week" limited series comic book that was released in 2012.
This became my favorite episode so far. I really enjoyed the murder mystery aspect. I was originally thinking the change in this universe would be Hydra deciding to take out the Avenger Initiative candidates, so the fact it turned out to be Hank Pym instead genuinely surprised me in a good way. Once they said Hope was an agent who died I was kicking myself for not thinking of Hank. Good nod to the comics if Hank having a mental breakdown and becoming Yellowjacket.
Someone forgot about ghost
Isn’t there’s a chance Alexander Pierce kinda orchestrated this, like remember in this universe, Bucky killed Hope, and Bucky was with Hydra at this point, furthermore they mentioned him twice in this episode
@@madtitan0825 Yeah i do think it would make perfect sense if Hank got a helping hand. He's the perfect weapon of opportunity after all.
The episodes seem to keep getting better and bigger.
Progression
Most definitely! And with that ending... I'm sure they will be revisiting Nick Fury's "What IF" Avengers!
@@Blitz-dm3kv Because "What if" is meant to show stories that we normally wouldnt be able to see, something unique that changes everything about the plot. Compare episode 2 and 3 with episode 1 and you can drastically see the difference in quality with the story telling, unique character interactions, and overall just a better flow to it.
The first episode, while I do appreciate it, felt like it was going at 2x speed (seriously, rewatch it and notice how fast they talk and shove the entire plot of the movie), and it was just a retelling of the movie with the only real change being the location if the fight and Steve being able to using an iron man suit. It's an extremely weak entry to the "what if" series so far, and if the rest of the episodes are good then it'll be hands down the weakest of the bunch which is a shame because I actually do like how they did Captain Carter and pray to some marvel god that they can somehow multiverse her into the MCU
@@Blitz-dm3kv I didn't hate it but for me it was a weak episode because after a few events from TFA it started to look a little too redundant. I keeped watching hoping for something new that wasn't in the movie.
@@journeym4n-l5s So, Bucky being alive and not turning into the winter soldier, Steve using an Iron Man suit before time and aging in his time, and the huge cthulu monster ain't that different from the movie?
I can't believe i watched an episode where our boy Coulson called Thor...
Gorgeous.
I'm so happy
I think it's a callback from AOS
Coulson: I can't think of a single time when anything alien in human hands ended well.
Skye: Wouldn't mind getting my human hands on Thor. He's so dreamy...
Coulson: Sure, he's handsome, but-
May: No. He's dreamy.
Samuel Jackson's voice acting was phenomenal in this episode.
Damn this episode kept me on the edge tbh, all those deaths were wtf level and the worst was Hulk's bc he exploted from the inside
Yeah that Hulk one had me SHOOK! I thought a random bullet couldn't do anything but damn that one was crazy! Can't wait for the next episode!
"Exploded". Get your shit straight.
I like how his costume looks like comic book yellow jacket, it’s so cool.
he is yellow jacket
Lots of subtle visual clues in this one. “Fury” opens his arms up into the classic Loki pose at the beginning of the scene with Pym, hinting at what’s really going on in the scene. And the shot of Fury walking away from the coffins is reminiscent of Captain Marvel art, indicating he’s about to call her.
I enjoyed this episode! I loved the fact that Marvel made a bit of detective move where parts of it was in the style of the movie 'SE7EN'.
Examples:
- The days of the week
- The random kills/deaths of each hero + the revels of how they've occurred.
- Natasha spends her night doing her detective work at library
- And, of course... the "WHAT'S IN THE BOX?" reference.
I think with them Bringing back Betty is to remind us. For when she makes her long needed return in she hulk... I'm hoping Liv comes back
Red She Hulk,but Liv Tyler is almost 45
@@stephenheath8465 Ruffalo's no spring chicken either.
@@stephenheath8465 yeah I know that I'm hoping she shows up in the she hulk TV show though. And her age doesn't matter
@@shortstuff780 you got a point there
Liv would dwarf Ruffalo...i won't mind if they recast Betty with Kate Beckinsale for Ruffalo's Banner.
I do love how when fury has his back to the wall he's like:
-R1, R2, L1, R2, Left, Down, Right, Up, Left, Down, Down, Down - Captain Marvel (cheat activated)
Is that Weapon set 3 cheat code from San Andreas or Liberty city stories. I know it's a GTA Cheat code for sure.
@@ryuhitsuya21 san andreas
"It's our boy"
What all AoS fans thought.
Edit: Also, "guy with a corner office" - In CATWS, Fury's office is shown in the corner of the Triskelion.
I thought the Triskelion was a cylinder?
@@JanglesPrime999 It is, but it had these strange cut-outs. And in CATWS, Fury and Pierce’s rooms have a rectangular shape.
Could always be wrong, tho. Maybe it’s not meant to be literal.
When I started this episode I had to stop looking at the screen so I dont see the credits but man, I can't believe the avengers died, and Loki got his wish, this episode was really out there and I love that we saw Hank as Yellow Jacket, cause in the comics he does become insane like this
Not necessarily insane, but absolutely unstable. It was that instability that created Ultron's genocidal personality when Hank made him
Best one so far imo
Agreed
I loved that this took a different turn from the previous two episodes! Each episode has a different genre - first one is action/war, second is sci-fi, third is mystery, all within this what if verse where anything can happen!
People made fun of Antman's powers. THe dude can literally kill anyone they want! XD
(except loki)
I dont think except Loki counts becoz at that moment Loki knew about his opponent, Ant man can be a huge threat to superheroes if they dont know its him, which is why everyone else died, but once a hero knows what they r up against with the right powerset they could defeat him
He can't kill invisible man
Nah he can kill Loki if Loki didn't expect him coming
@@Qbesent Loki is stronger than Antman with Asgard powers. He can see him when shrunken, he has extremely durable body, enhanced senses and strength and magic illusion powers.
So basically Scott has the potential to be one of the most dangerous members on the team. lol
This episode had me sitting there trying to be a sleuth like Nancy Drew for a full half hour, trying to figure out who done it haha. I was half convinced it was some kinda ghost at one point lol. This episode was a trippy ride and it made me appreciate the Avengers even more man cause like...One thing and they all coulda been gone. But like Hulk exploding...is gonna give me nightmares.
All in all...great episode. Loving What if... so far. Marvel is Awesome as always.
I also like that there were no cheats. The camera wasn't hiding the murderer or anything like that, he wasn't sneakily being edited out, he was literally right there, just too small to see.
4:06 the way it was edited to make it sound like "You just accidentally killed humanity" is kinda fitting
The MCU Hank Pym has never really lived up to the comics version, where he lives on the razor’s edge of sanity and occasionally crosses over into these types of chaotic evil. This was a really, REALLY cool episode for lots of reasons, but especially for how it introduced Hank’s darkness to a whole bunch of non-comics readers.
Did you just copypaste this comment from somewhere else
"There's a JJ Abrams show that does that" Fringe - one of the coolest shows ever....he just observes.
The time traveller dude?
That would be him
Finally Coulson returns! I'm so happy! Best episode yet!
Fun fact: in the comics, Hank does become the first Yellowjacket. Which is when that infamous panel of him hitting Janet comes from. Which apparently was a miscommunication between the writer and the artist.
Wait, this whole time, that panel of him hitting Janet which kinda set fans off, was because of a miscommunication? Holy crap, I didn't know that! 😮
@@dasheemcole5155 yeah at the time fans of the character were actually annoyed as it felt very out of character for him to do that.
At first I thought the Winter Soldier was somehow taking them all down. I also think that the fact that Pym Particles makes you crazy over long exposure played into this a bit too. Great episode, it kept me guessing.
Project TAHITI was also shut down by Coulson because it was adversely affecting the minds of its subjects; it could only be brought back by Fury AFTER his death, because Phil would never agree to it being brought back unless it was their only recourse to save the world.
I think this was a redemption of Ant-Man as a Superhero. He's always been the dopey side character, but this episode alone shows just how dangerous and powerful he could actually be.
So Edward Norton’s Bruce Banner and Terrence Howard’s Rhodey are pruned variants?
LMAO
That would be great if they did have cameo appearances
I was afraid they mischeduled this reaction… so glad I was wrong
Same here.
Are we still getting titans reactions
@@trevonevans7755 no because blind wave are Just soggy pieces of cabbage
@@fnmark1081 what do you mean?
@@fnmark1081 bruh what
2028: What if... Galactus worked for green peace 😂
LOL it'd flow in some similar beats to Thanos with The Ravagers xD Just makes casual excuses about his evil plans xD
Eric mentioning the Observers from Fringe got me excited
I love this portrayal of Loki. The first time we get proper Loki since Dark World.
I just wanna say, Coulson saying "Unless...you have an idea" and Fury responding with "There WAS an idea..." is really clever writing.
7:02 Fun Fact: Mark Ruffalo was actually the director Louis Leterrier’s first choice for the role of Bruce Banner in this The Incredible Hulk.
I think that the ancient one would outright help fury, Loki taking over the world isn't that great for her either.
Good call! Especially since she was willing to use Dark Dimension magic just to continue to protect the world. Very in character for her!
4:07 "you just accidentally killed.." "Humanity" xD that was funny to me!! Love watching your reactions guys!
You're talking about Coulson... a guy who straight up told Steve that he watched him while he slept...
You guys mentioned making Hulk small. There's a very lengthy run in the comics from back in the seventies where Hulk gets shrunk and goes to the Microverse where he's always the hulk and meets his true love, Jarella, I think. Its a pretty good run of the comic, a bit like Horton Hears a Who where the Hulk has many adventures on a world no larger than a mote of dust.
Them talking about shrinking the Hulk down makes me wonder just how powerful the Hulk would be with all that strength condensed down into a tiny point.
Also, it'd be amazing if this version of Captain American eventually took Mjolnir to fight back against Loki because no one else could pick it up.
in the avengers assemble animated series they do shrink him in an episode
They just clarified that ANTMAN could take out the avengers single handed 🤯
with unworthy Thor and if only if they aren’t prepared
The episode title should read *Ant-Man Solos or Don’t Fuck With Hank Pym!!!*
Avengers: stomp loki
What if Pym: kills avengers, gets slapped around by loki
Ant-Man Kills the Marvel Universe
Thank you for acknowledging that Hank had his abusive side back in the comics! I’ll never like that character completely, because I still see him that way.
Coulson was adorable!
The actor who played Stanley in The Incredible Hulk also voiced the 1967 Spider-Man cartoon. (He and Edward Norton also worked together in The Score - 2001)
Man, I was really not excited for this episode, but it might actually be my favorite so far. This episode got more intriguing by the minute. They just keep getting better.
Around 23:45 you're right, i doubt they can magic hulk back, but I'd figured that project Tahiti, they brought back a technically regular agent like coulson(barely watched agents of shield outside of knowing it exists, not much a tv watcher lol), it's laughable if they had it in this universe for actual avengers, fury's just like "no... I don't think I will." (That can double up with the tramuatized avengers coming back being hostile and paranoid from dying basically (with maybe Thor being the first one the caps can reason with lol))
I love how the landscapes and backgrounds just look like concept art
Ah, Hank going bat shit insane, a tale as old as time.
At least he’s the one getting slapped around in this scenario…
Several characters were in the planning stages to appear that ultimately didn't show up. These include Jasper Sitwell, Jane Foster, James Rhodes, Whiplash and Emil Blonsky.
Bucky Barnes is given a question mark next to his name, and though he doesn't blatantly appear in the episode, his actions are alluded to the cause of Hope van Dyne's death.
"I'd love if they like hid aliens in episodes and fans had to find them.." *side glances to the rapidly approaching Secret Invasion*
Speaking of Whiplash, the Stark Expo was planned to be one of the following locations covered after Tony's death. This would have involved Whiplash facing off against someone else, but the whole sequence was ultimately scrapped.
In the comics Hank and Janet were the ones who basically made the Avengers. It's almost haunting, the idea that Hank in this universe was the one who destroyed them.
Absolutely adored this episode. And I thought it was ghost near the end
19:10 - As weird as that is, if you were near a dead person that smelled like lavender it'd just be weird in general.
Whoa! Crazy to hear my channel name get mentioned! (And you actually did get it right, Eric!) Thanks for your thoughts, guys! Love your reactions, you're all a huge inspiration to me! (Even if you are from Ohio!) Lol
This was the first one I really enjoyed. I actively was wondering what would happen. With the previous ones, I was just following a story.
I'm happy that you made a reaction to this episode, last time it took days. I love you guys.
They were on vacation
I love all the little differences outside of the main change in each episode, like in this episode captain America was frozen on purpose in a cryo tank
The lavender joke KILLED ME. They were just standing there! Smelling a corpse!
Fun Fact that Fury & Loki get their revenge on Thursday which taken its name "Thursday" from Thor!
each episode is pretty much a One off episode and i love it.. If they left it or came back to them it wouldnt matter ..As long as they keep giving us More.
Exactly how all what if comics work
@@rjeizzay9619 Would be sick to get a Star Wars what if
@@Pinkielover go watch visions
@@Pinkielover That's visions essentially
"What if Tony Stark was allergic!!" XDDD
The JJ Abrams show Eric was talking about is Fringe. And the character that is hidden and watching everything is The Observer.
Please vote for Fringe next time it's in polls!
Was 4:36 a poke at the Dark Knight Joker line
11:05 tell me Rick didn't confuse Samuel L Jackson with Laurence Fishburne lol
After the Hawkeye and Hulk I actually managed to predict who it was, was pretty proud of myself for that
This is where the fun begins! I don't want to hear anyone says Marvel is light hearted anymore! Marvel can be really dark! 💪
Shout out to Mick who sounds close enough as RDJ that’s he’s set for life doing any voiceover for iron man the rest of his life haha. His IMDb he’s done so much already
Really liked this episode. My favorite so far, loved having Coulson on screen again, yes the smelling lavender was weird.
Between Mandalorian Gallery and What If episode 3, its a good day to end my class day😄
Lol, it’s 2pm here. XD
Lmao i live in Manassas, Virginia and i was beyond shocked when it popped up on screen when Nat was at the library.
30:23 "Poised to fight Loki" - I mean... I don't know if "fight" is the word I'd use. Captain Marvel went toe-to-toe with Thanos when he had all the stones. Loki got summarily wrecked by Hulk, who got beat down by Thanos. Even with the Asgardian extras, I feel like that fight is gonna consist of a montage of Steve moodily punching a bag, while Danvers casually evicts the invaders.
We are left on hopeful words at the end though, I can imagine the next Avengers Roster.
Captain America, Captain Marvel, Maybe someone put in charge of Stark Tech, Maybe someone put in charge of Pym Tech, Thor was killed in Thor 1 when he was a regular dude too and was revived because he sacrificed himself so if Odin decides to not be a dick they have that too, If they find other shield agents worth to add to the Avengers, They have abomination, Sorcerors are still just vibing.
Any Villains who decide they don't want to be dicks anymore. Wakanda.
Lots of possibilities and the Watcher didn't end on a bad note like in the T'challa episode with Peter and Ego meeting so that's pretty neat and leans in for a more hopeful future.
why are you completely forgetting war machine?
@@thewerewolff7248 Thanks for that I'd say he's the one put in charge of Starks armor
I would imagine Wakanda wouldnt help the world since they don't have a good opinion about the outside world right now, but I can imagine the Avengers would be Captain America as the leader, Captain Marvel, War Machine, the Warriors Three, Sif, a Shield agent with the yellow jacket (or maybe Nick would be both brilliant and ballsy enough to recruit Scott while he's in jail) and Abomination with the help of some Sorcerers like Wong or Mordo. I don't think there is anyone else in the timeline who could be in the Avengers, maybe T'challa sneaking out of Wakanda since he probably gives a fuck about the rest of the world but he wouldnt be as skilled like in the original timeline.
Sbeve, Carol, Rhodey... that's it. If Loki is foolish enough to approach Wakanda, I guess a young T'challa as well.
Strange and Peter in a few years, but I doubt Loki would last that long.
I think Thor might not actually be dead.
Cause Coulson mention he didn't smell like he was rotting.
Maybe that's how we get party Thor.
I’m familiar with Mick Wingerts voice because of The Nosleep podcast, he is always in something spooky it seems :D
I for Iron Man in Marvel Animation shows
Something i notice is that, while effective being stealthy and a silent killer, was because Hank got the element of suprise, once he lose that at the ending, he got his ass kicked.
I mean he was also stuck against Loki not fury, so Loki was able to fight him pretty easily
he would have still manage to get hulk and non powered thor, hawkeye and ironman without the element of surprise have a chance
And he’s also old af at this point, still smart but not more skilled anymore
Regarding the pizza hat & jacket in The Incredible Hulk, Banner disguises himself as a pizza delivery guy to gain access to the university and hilariously runs into Lou Ferrrigno as a security guard who he bribes with a pizza.
Because of the TAHITI thing... Coulson was in charge of it and disbanded the program if you recall. The only reason fury used it on coulson was because he looked over it probably. But in this episode, with coulson still alive, no way they would use it on someone
I think that the new avengers in this universe are War Machine, Black Panther (2012), Captain Marvel, Captain America, Ancient One, Jane Foster (Thor) - I mean Jane Foster is alive and Thor's hammer is still on earth and Jane Foster doesn't have to have cancer to become Thor just look at what Avenger Assemble (TV show) did - and Laura Barton - Clint Barton's wife - (Hawkeye).
21:03-21:51 _Adventure Time_ does a similar easter egg with the snail hidden in every episode... just staring at the screen.. waving. So creepy lol.
4:07 that perfect sync
At first when Fury(Loki) was teleporting all over, it reminded me of that scene with Cecil and Omniman
They can do so much with these universes beyond in series. Even the timeline with T'challa Star-Lord(recast); the Watcher said Ego and Quill together _could_ mean the end. Not that it was.
this has been the best episode so far
First episode that actually added some lines to the main Universe! Loved that