Hey, another great video. Thought I'd pipe in since my day job is audio production and I have a ton of experience with this an do use Wave plugins for this. MV2 is nice and note that Maxxxvolume from Waves is the same thing plus a few more features. I think these are toooooootally worth it when you find them on sale, and Waves does run sales regularly. For live I do use the waves plugin in Elgato Wave link and they work great. Waves does a really good job of keeping their latency really low, and don't use lots of CPU time, either. And I agree that Waves does a weird thing here in using different language than is industry standard, but the plugin does what it says and the ratios and timings they use, while they aren't controllable, they are great and work for basically everything you'd want. (and at least they don't describe things in percentage...) So anyway, if you can find either MV2 or Maxxxvolume from waves on sale for like 29$, which happens often, they're a screaming good deal and way easier to use than that free one. Worth it. Thanks!
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Just wanna say I recently found your TH-cam channel while trying to understand some more about OBS. Love the videos, the narration, Y2K aesthetic, all of it. Inspiring TH-camr and thank you so much for all the videos
I immediately saw the use case here and sought out an older clip that was poorly recorded and desperately needed upward compression. This plugin(OTT) did a better job in a few clicks than my manual, tedious, time-consuming, audio envelop editing did(Vegas Pro). Thank you, sir! 🍻
Obviously, if the option exist, try and use a low dnymaic range sound mix in the game to not have this problem in the first place. Unfortunately not every game has this otion, which really blows. Sometimes setting the audio settings to headphones or speaker can have an effect on dynamic range too. From my experience, headphones usually has less dynamic range than the speaker setting.
So there are Upward compression plugins? Man, I searched and searched and couldn't find one. You've found more than one, awesome! Also, not sure if you've talked about it before, but I like to use loudness over peaks to set my track balance. There are a couple different LUFS plugins I use, one for live and one for post, to get my vocals as loud as possible without having TH-cam quiet it, which I think is either -14 or -16 LUFS, and I set my game between -7 to -10 LUFS lower than my vocals.
Nice! I've always struggled with getting the audio right so people can hear what I want them to hear without a ton of hiss or distortion. Love this series.
as a music producer and someone who mixes audio frequently... please be careful with OTT and experiment with the depth knob (which is basically a dry/wet). other then that great video! more ppl need to see this :D
I finally found a free upward compressor that works with OBS called Kilohearts Dynamics. It's super easy to use and does exactly what I was hoping it would. Hope this helps anyone looking for a solution for streaming!
For Live you could route your audio through DAW which then enables you to use a lot of other plugins which won't work with OBS. I did this with FL Studio and if only thing you do is routing audio it won't take awfully lot of resources, though I belive Reaper is what is actually recommended for this. This could get a bit tricky with some audio interfaces however, but for example with Focusrite Scarlett series I was able to do this with loopback i/o. It's a bit more advanced than doing it straight with OBS, but allows you to use whatever effects you want with Live stream over OBS and also with TeamSpeak and Discord or whatever else people use.
Holy shit. This is exactly what I need. Im using an MKH416 for streaming and shoutcasting, and the main issue is that my quiets are too quiet, even though my compressor in the goxlr is set perfect for my louds. Thank you for this!
I got OTT to work on OBS, though by the interface it looks like an older version. It works fine except the numbers on the knobs don't change when you turn them (though it's still functioning as intended). Would like to see a tutorial on how to do upward compression on vocals for streaming!
Run Waves MV2 inside of DDMF's Metaplugin (which is a plugin acting as a plugin host, to create entire plugin chains, can save full racks as presets as well) and use that inside of OBS. This works, I can guarantee that. Metaplugin is also a paid plugin though. Even for regular music editing I use Metaplugin very often to route highpass filters on my sidechains so it only reacts to certain frequencies. It's a very usefull tool overall. It also has internal oversampling, so that aliasing is never gonna be a problem. Be warned though, Metaplugin might crash video editors. For some reason, video editing softwares really don't like it.
If you haven't tried fircomp, I actually think it would be the better free option here. It's not an upward compressor, but it's supremely clean in lookahead mode.
You might look into Image-Line's Minihost Modular. It is a standalone free VST plugin host that you can route audio through (windows audio, a mic, etc) that might fix your issue running those plugins realtime/live along side OBS. I haven't tried it with the plugins from this video, but I've used it to run plugins that didn't want to work with OBS' native VST implementation, so its probably worth a shot.
🤘I was going to save up for the Alex Audio Butler Automatic Mixing plugin but, this should also work just as well for what I've been looking to do with audio to improve my workflow in Davince Resolve. Now I can put the savings I would have put into the Auto Mixer into buying the Studio version of Resolve to make use of some of the new features I've been wanting to tinker around with. I might still want to try Alex's plugin but, maybe at a later time. Lol!
A lot of games, especially shooters, have dynamic range options in the audio settings. Would setting the dynamic range in the game to "night mode" give you the same effect in live streaming?
@@EposVox Cool. If that does work you could run console games at least through a home theater receiver before hitting the capture card. They usually have dynamic range compression settings. Great video as always by the way. Always get excited to see a new EposVox show up. 🙂
I used VOLA to level my voice out in my videos for a while. It did upward and downward compression in one step, but I had to process my voice separately in Reaper before bring the export into Resolve for video editing because it wouldn't work in Fairlight. I think I'll give Xfer a shot, because the Revelator dynamic has helped a lot, but it hasn't fixed everything
I forgot to add vsts to games. Not just in post but live too. I used to compress PUBG for myself and streams. Always heard footsteps before anyone else.
The "could give you an advantage in the game too, if that's what you want" line in the beginning must have been recorded before you found the "A wall I ran into issue". DANG I was thinking hearing footsteps was going to be REAL EASY for a second there 🤣
@@Welshmanshots I'll check it out, I've used several different "mixamp" type hardware solutions that let you mess around with EQ, but haven't found anything that I feel like would match what real-time upwards compression could offer.
I used to record my voice, game audio, and discord audio into three separate tracks into Pro Tools, used EQ and compression on all the voice tracks and used a multiband compressor on the game audio. I’d then sidechain the multiband compressor on the game track to the voice tracks so that it would duck out the frequencies that clash with the voices so everything sounded consistent and loud without the voice getting lost. Then for fun, I’d send the voice tracks to like a delay/reverb track and would automate that for whenever me and my discord friends would go inside a cave or something for this cool environmental sound thing…. Then I realized that I spent wayyyyy too much time trying to release just one video, so I just rushed it and never did it again lol
Is there a plugin that lowers in game sounds when you speak so you can have game sounds at a nice level and never have to worry about whether your audience can hear you over the game?
they got ultra low cpu usage too. i did a whole music production stream yesterday using mostly fabfilter plugins on a measly 8gb mac mini, with no stuttering whatsoever. try them out for free, and thank me later :)
@@EposVox for leveling dialogue, I use Quiet Art’s WaveRider Tg first in the signal chain prior to any compression, expansion, etc. Highly recommend checking it out. Great content btw.
I route all my audio through a DAW and mix everything in it before piping it to OBS. This gives me more control on how to mix my audio with better tools for measuring levels and dynamics, and more plugin compatibility. I use voicemeeter to route my audio and reaper as my DAW but you can use any other DAW.
I might be being dumb here (and let's face it, it wouldn't be the first time) How does this differ from an expander and compressor/limiter? Lifting the lower end to a normal level and pushing down the top end to a lower level.
Compressor: above the settable thresholds, louder sounds get made relatively less loud. Below the volume threshold, no change, linear. Expander: below the threshold, quieter sounds get made even quieter. Above, linear. Peak limiter: a standard compressor with short 1ms-order attack and release (symmetrical), and it looks ahead, by that amount, so it starts crunching just in time to tame the signal and releases just after it's no longer needed, while other dynamic processors generally use past volume to drive the gain setting. Peak limiters introduce a substantial amount of dynamic distortion when they kick in, as the audible-frequency drive signal gets intermodulated with audio signal. Upward compressor: above the threshold, linear. Below the threshold, quieter sounds get made louder. So upward compressor is the direct opposite of the expander. If you had these two in chain and with same settings, they would ideally cancel each other out, but due to implementation details, there would be some residual breathing and whatnot.
I spent about 3 hours trying to make them work with OBS using various suggested workarounds and using 2 different system-wide VST hosts to no avail. Eventually it wasn’t worth it and you just change the scope of the video
@@EposVox Have you considered the ReaJS's dynamics>global dynamics for an OBS-compatible alternative? It's from the free ReaPlugs. Just wondering if that one ever came up and just didn't do the same thing / had no good results.
Hey, another great video. Thought I'd pipe in since my day job is audio production and I have a ton of experience with this an do use Wave plugins for this. MV2 is nice and note that Maxxxvolume from Waves is the same thing plus a few more features. I think these are toooooootally worth it when you find them on sale, and Waves does run sales regularly.
For live I do use the waves plugin in Elgato Wave link and they work great. Waves does a really good job of keeping their latency really low, and don't use lots of CPU time, either.
And I agree that Waves does a weird thing here in using different language than is industry standard, but the plugin does what it says and the ratios and timings they use, while they aren't controllable, they are great and work for basically everything you'd want. (and at least they don't describe things in percentage...)
So anyway, if you can find either MV2 or Maxxxvolume from waves on sale for like 29$, which happens often, they're a screaming good deal and way easier to use than that free one. Worth it.
Thanks!
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Just wanna say I recently found your TH-cam channel while trying to understand some more about OBS. Love the videos, the narration, Y2K aesthetic, all of it. Inspiring TH-camr and thank you so much for all the videos
Welcome aboard! Thanks for the kind words
I immediately saw the use case here and sought out an older clip that was poorly recorded and desperately needed upward compression. This plugin(OTT) did a better job in a few clicks than my manual, tedious, time-consuming, audio envelop editing did(Vegas Pro). Thank you, sir! 🍻
I just got affiliate and your videos have really helped me figure out the technical end of things. Thank you for that!
Obviously, if the option exist, try and use a low dnymaic range sound mix in the game to not have this problem in the first place. Unfortunately not every game has this otion, which really blows. Sometimes setting the audio settings to headphones or speaker can have an effect on dynamic range too. From my experience, headphones usually has less dynamic range than the speaker setting.
So there are Upward compression plugins? Man, I searched and searched and couldn't find one. You've found more than one, awesome! Also, not sure if you've talked about it before, but I like to use loudness over peaks to set my track balance. There are a couple different LUFS plugins I use, one for live and one for post, to get my vocals as loud as possible without having TH-cam quiet it, which I think is either -14 or -16 LUFS, and I set my game between -7 to -10 LUFS lower than my vocals.
Nice! I've always struggled with getting the audio right so people can hear what I want them to hear without a ton of hiss or distortion. Love this series.
as a music producer and someone who mixes audio frequently...
please be careful with OTT and experiment with the depth knob (which is basically a dry/wet).
other then that great video! more ppl need to see this :D
another option is Waves "Vocal Rider" You set a preferred level. It will adjust the "fader" to increase the quiet AND decrease the loud.
I finally found a free upward compressor that works with OBS called Kilohearts Dynamics. It's super easy to use and does exactly what I was hoping it would. Hope this helps anyone looking for a solution for streaming!
For Live you could route your audio through DAW which then enables you to use a lot of other plugins which won't work with OBS. I did this with FL Studio and if only thing you do is routing audio it won't take awfully lot of resources, though I belive Reaper is what is actually recommended for this. This could get a bit tricky with some audio interfaces however, but for example with Focusrite Scarlett series I was able to do this with loopback i/o.
It's a bit more advanced than doing it straight with OBS, but allows you to use whatever effects you want with Live stream over OBS and also with TeamSpeak and Discord or whatever else people use.
Thanks for this! On a side-note, I love seeing the Affinity apps there. Good stuff.
Dude... I have been on such a rabbit hole for balancing audio and I've been pulling hairs!
Holy shit. This is exactly what I need. Im using an MKH416 for streaming and shoutcasting, and the main issue is that my quiets are too quiet, even though my compressor in the goxlr is set perfect for my louds.
Thank you for this!
I got OTT to work on OBS, though by the interface it looks like an older version. It works fine except the numbers on the knobs don't change when you turn them (though it's still functioning as intended).
Would like to see a tutorial on how to do upward compression on vocals for streaming!
OTT is still used alot in bass music, it's kinda a big meme among edm producers
Excellent...As the Steam Professor you are now in the world of Amar Bose and the psychology of sound, the pursuit of audio perfection....👍
Run Waves MV2 inside of DDMF's Metaplugin (which is a plugin acting as a plugin host, to create entire plugin chains, can save full racks as presets as well) and use that inside of OBS. This works, I can guarantee that.
Metaplugin is also a paid plugin though.
Even for regular music editing I use Metaplugin very often to route highpass filters on my sidechains so it only reacts to certain frequencies. It's a very usefull tool overall. It also has internal oversampling, so that aliasing is never gonna be a problem.
Be warned though, Metaplugin might crash video editors. For some reason, video editing softwares really don't like it.
If you haven't tried fircomp, I actually think it would be the better free option here. It's not an upward compressor, but it's supremely clean in lookahead mode.
You might look into Image-Line's Minihost Modular. It is a standalone free VST plugin host that you can route audio through (windows audio, a mic, etc) that might fix your issue running those plugins realtime/live along side OBS. I haven't tried it with the plugins from this video, but I've used it to run plugins that didn't want to work with OBS' native VST implementation, so its probably worth a shot.
I’ll try it, I tried 2 other VST hosts with no luck
@@EposVox DDMF Metaplugin works within OBS and can load Waves plugins just fine. It is however not free and costs about $60.
🤘I was going to save up for the Alex Audio Butler Automatic Mixing plugin but, this should also work just as well for what I've been looking to do with audio to improve my workflow in Davince Resolve. Now I can put the savings I would have put into the Auto Mixer into buying the Studio version of Resolve to make use of some of the new features I've been wanting to tinker around with. I might still want to try Alex's plugin but, maybe at a later time. Lol!
A lot of games, especially shooters, have dynamic range options in the audio settings. Would setting the dynamic range in the game to "night mode" give you the same effect in live streaming?
Mmmm I shall investigate
@@EposVox Cool. If that does work you could run console games at least through a home theater receiver before hitting the capture card. They usually have dynamic range compression settings. Great video as always by the way. Always get excited to see a new EposVox show up. 🙂
I used VOLA to level my voice out in my videos for a while. It did upward and downward compression in one step, but I had to process my voice separately in Reaper before bring the export into Resolve for video editing because it wouldn't work in Fairlight. I think I'll give Xfer a shot, because the Revelator dynamic has helped a lot, but it hasn't fixed everything
Congrats for being on DF man!
Thanks!
I forgot to add vsts to games. Not just in post but live too. I used to compress PUBG for myself and streams. Always heard footsteps before anyone else.
crucial audio step is to clip out loud sounds or very high frequency sounds... my tinnitus hates them
note for anyone: it kinda works on equalizerapo but the configurator goes insane so its useless and you cant change settings
Yeah I tried it and one other VST host and they just crashed
I've been using Accusonus ERA Voice Leveler for VO tracks for ages
The "could give you an advantage in the game too, if that's what you want" line in the beginning must have been recorded before you found the "A wall I ran into issue". DANG I was thinking hearing footsteps was going to be REAL EASY for a second there 🤣
I mean steelseries did release sonar in their GG app that lets you EQ your game sounds to be able to hear footsteps better.
@@Welshmanshots I'll check it out, I've used several different "mixamp" type hardware solutions that let you mess around with EQ, but haven't found anything that I feel like would match what real-time upwards compression could offer.
Thats really cool.
I used to record my voice, game audio, and discord audio into three separate tracks into Pro Tools, used EQ and compression on all the voice tracks and used a multiband compressor on the game audio. I’d then sidechain the multiband compressor on the game track to the voice tracks so that it would duck out the frequencies that clash with the voices so everything sounded consistent and loud without the voice getting lost. Then for fun, I’d send the voice tracks to like a delay/reverb track and would automate that for whenever me and my discord friends would go inside a cave or something for this cool environmental sound thing…. Then I realized that I spent wayyyyy too much time trying to release just one video, so I just rushed it and never did it again lol
You could macro that somehow
Great Video OwO
If I'm using elgato Wave Link will it work through there while on obs?
Recommend using the fab filter vsts :)
Is there a plugin that lowers in game sounds when you speak so you can have game sounds at a nice level and never have to worry about whether your audience can hear you over the game?
Nvm this was covered later on
Damn good job bro I want that!!!
Audio is a pain in the royal butt
hell yeah, compressors/ limiters are kickass. id reccomend fabfilter pro L or pro C. wayyyy better than waves or ott 👍🏻
they got ultra low cpu usage too. i did a whole music production stream yesterday using mostly fabfilter plugins on a measly 8gb mac mini, with no stuttering whatsoever. try them out for free, and thank me later :)
I’ve heard great thing about fabfilter, just expensive
@@EposVox for leveling dialogue, I use Quiet Art’s WaveRider Tg first in the signal chain prior to any compression, expansion, etc. Highly recommend checking it out. Great content btw.
I route all my audio through a DAW and mix everything in it before piping it to OBS. This gives me more control on how to mix my audio with better tools for measuring levels and dynamics, and more plugin compatibility. I use voicemeeter to route my audio and reaper as my DAW but you can use any other DAW.
I might be being dumb here (and let's face it, it wouldn't be the first time)
How does this differ from an expander and compressor/limiter? Lifting the lower end to a normal level and pushing down the top end to a lower level.
Compressor: above the settable thresholds, louder sounds get made relatively less loud. Below the volume threshold, no change, linear.
Expander: below the threshold, quieter sounds get made even quieter. Above, linear.
Peak limiter: a standard compressor with short 1ms-order attack and release (symmetrical), and it looks ahead, by that amount, so it starts crunching just in time to tame the signal and releases just after it's no longer needed, while other dynamic processors generally use past volume to drive the gain setting. Peak limiters introduce a substantial amount of dynamic distortion when they kick in, as the audible-frequency drive signal gets intermodulated with audio signal.
Upward compressor: above the threshold, linear. Below the threshold, quieter sounds get made louder.
So upward compressor is the direct opposite of the expander. If you had these two in chain and with same settings, they would ideally cancel each other out, but due to implementation details, there would be some residual breathing and whatnot.
You know you could have got the original plug-in not waves but from SSL
Wouldnt an alternative be just to side-chain game audio?
This is used with side chaining. I mention side chaining a bunch of times throughout the whole video
Elgato finally released background blur on the web cam software
Yeah I covered it a week or two ago!
OK got to 4:44 and found out this doesn't apply to OBS Studio, you know that free site that 10's of millions of people use.
I spent about 3 hours trying to make them work with OBS using various suggested workarounds and using 2 different system-wide VST hosts to no avail. Eventually it wasn’t worth it and you just change the scope of the video
@@EposVox Have you considered the ReaJS's dynamics>global dynamics for an OBS-compatible alternative? It's from the free ReaPlugs. Just wondering if that one ever came up and just didn't do the same thing / had no good results.
why does it feel like you're glowing in all your videos. It seems faded or washed out. Whats the point? taste? just wondering, thanks.
You should do a stream with Beardyman 😁
Mine looks notNice tutorialng like the way you guys started it would be amazing if soone told how to get the multiple tracks
Hello!
+20 contrast
How many people said fu nord? 🤔
While this is an awesome solution i find it really makes the games audio sound artificial.
It’s created by a game, it is artificial
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