Why This Walking Dead Villain Needed To Die Way Earlier
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- The Walking Dead, at one point, was one of the biggest shows on television. Adapted from the comic books of the same name, The Walking Dead, started out as an extremely true adaptation of it's source material. Though one Walking Dead characters story arc was extended a little too long, and the show suffered because of it.
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I always found it funny during those seasons that one of the biggest American shows at the time was being led by 2 brits doing accents.
Morgan also. And as the seasons went by, many more.
So what....that's what acting is. Plenty of yanks doing British accents.
@@kinkypinky2021 nobody’s attacking anyone. Relax.
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Maggie too.
The governor didn’t over stay his welcome. He had a great story arc, if anyone over stayed their welcome it’s the whisperers. That arc felt like it lasted waaay too long.
This whole video just feels like making a problem out of nothing - barely anyone thought this. Too Far Gone is literally seen as one of the best, if not, THE BEST, Walking Dead episode(s). Negan on the other hand, did overstay his welcome; the whole arc being dragged out waaayy too much. People literally stopped watching during that period.
@@supersuit5790100% Negan overstayed his welcome, I don’t think I was ever so bored watching The Walking Dead than I was during what felt like his 3 seasons of repetitive petty conflict 😭😭😭
@@jimjimmers8571 those seasons were so boring, every time it switched to Megan's camp with everyone walking around going I AM NEEGAN it made the show so much worse, not to mention the CGI tiger and the garbage dump people O.o
Completely agree
completely agree. also agree that negan overstayed his welcome far too long as well
I actually liked his failed arch. I liked his fall from grace that solidified his valliany. It was a nice reminder that in this world, it isn't just walkers that eat at you. It's also the consequences of your misdeeds.
of course you do if you spell it like that lol
Shame it dident happen to Negan he is a walking criminal freed
I'm sorry but Governor is a S tier character. His motivations are clear, he's menacing and the Most importantly he isnt boring.
his return episode in season 4 (episode 6 "Live Bait") is one of the best episodes of the whole series and He died in a perfect moment.
His death separated the characters from eachother and provided the chance for us to know them better.
The TV's Governor had the perfect arc imo. Outta all the villains in the show i feel like he was one villain for just the right amount of time. Having him fail and then earn a type of redemption just to fail again cause he was "Too Far Gone" was really interesting to me. Negan is the one who's villain arc seemed to drag like crazy
Ennit
Yeah, this channel is kinda scraping the barrel here. Negan was dragged for 4 seasons, but because this was already talked to death by thousands of youtube channels for millions of hours this channel picked...the governor? because it was dragged 3 episodes? ...really?!
*Nagans arc was a plot device that showed that even though some people might be broken or "too far gone" if you let yourself get like that too the cycle will just continue...they drag his story out because it's the answer and brings closure to the show...the same method took down commonwealth...*
Yes, I really liked the Governor. Negan was dragged.
i think negans arc is great too, as for the war against negan, that was way too long. season 7 and 8 could have easily been merged into one season. the redemption arc for negan is good though, considering they made him a bigger character than the governor.
I dont know how you can say he failed as a villian when basically the entire fan base agrees hes the best villian the shows ever seen.
The Governor is just perfect and the things he did in the show are just way more impactful
FACTS!!!
No, we do not agree. Not all of us, anyway.
He is a great villain, but he's definitely not the best.
@@slavuk.8240 The amaunt of impact he had on the main cast is unbeatabule and he played his role the best. It's ok if he's not your favourite but from a writing point of view he played his job as a force that moves and makes the characters grow perfect
@@slavuk.8240 who’s better?? You better not say Negan 😭
This channel does too much sometimes. It wasnt a failed arc It was the arc they wanted to tell. It definitely worked because most of fans did like it.
Well, for me, this was the start of a problem. I wanted to see the governor get his comeuppance, and then they just dragged it out long past what I wanted to see. I kept watching, but it was annoying and for me, it was a sign of greater things to come. It’s why I eventually give up on the show.
Pretty sure they legit just buy scripts from other people and do the voice over for it. I never take their videos too seriously
It definitely dragged on too long by the end
Governor was actually perfect. Was on long enough to hate him and want him to die, but not long enough to become a major drag like with Neagen
Yeah negan just wasn’t as interesting as the governor.
Negan arc didn’t have to be 2 whole seasons either
Negan is the man but Governor was great and he was on the right amount of time.
I disagree, the TV version was honestly the best of the villains. Negans villian arch (while Iove the character overall) dragged the most.
Didn't they carry Negan's arc for like 4 seasons and make him hook up with Maggie? If that's not true, that head-cannon is honestly where I, as someone who stopped watching after the gov. first raid on the prison, thought the show went and it made me glad I stopped when I did.
Same, the Governor in the comics is the weakest villain and the show made him a more compelling villain, he could've gotten a redemption arc or something cause the show at this point wasn't the comics at all.
@@HamsterFactz2 Seasons and Maggie and Negan are partners, not romantic interests. Negan at this point as become the anti-hero muscle that Merle was back in Season 3.
Nah Nah nah nah. The governor was one of the best character and villain of the show. You actually hated him and wanted him to die I’m glad they didn’t kill him off and made it to the next season
I connected to his story far more than I ever did with Negan who was just cartoonishly awful and ruined the entire story
@@cyberpokey but... Negan named his bat after his wife! That is sooo compelling..
@@Vivi_9 🤣🤣
The terminus and the wolves villains each deserved at least half a season worth of storytelling . The walking dead had so much potential in regards to its villains. The comic was well thought out. I still love the show but in terms of of quality it could have been the level of game of thrones.
the show with four good seasons out of 8 and the worst conclusion in tv?
Terminus got half a season tho. It's like you didn't watch it
@@Phantom-kc9ly right
@@Phantom-kc9lyyou didn’t read what I said did you? I said it’s villains
@@Phantom-kc9ly A bunch of characters wandering around to ultimately wind up in the same place is not a plot getting a half season.
Disagree with you on this one, I liked the extension of The Governer's story.
I don't see it as a meaningless repeat of his arc, I see it as solidifying that even with entirely new circumstances and the chance to start over with a new family, Phillip couldn't help himself. He was always going to become that power-hungry, selfish monster no matter what.
Great video as always though!
I can't agree with your take on The Governor. I loved his entire run. Even liked him better than Negan.
Same
His second attack on the prison is often considered the best episode in the entire series...far from a failed conclusion imo.
Yes, one of the BEST episodes ever done. Just excellent.
The Governor storyline lasted the perfect amount of time and wasn't dragged out like so many other things with this show.
They’re complaining about the one thing that wasn’t dragged out
I liked both archs of the Governor's storyline. His second arch was the reason I started rooting for the villains.
Love to see all the comments disagreeing with the video. The Governor is probably the most interesting character the show ever had
I agree.
The Governor’s 2nd arc was a problem that became fundamental with TWD, and that’s dragging on storylines and like mentioned in this video, trying too hard to divert expectations. I don’t agree with the point in this video about the climactic battle episode itself because it was still fantastic, but it should’ve taken place at the end of season 3. This was also the problem with the Negan arc as it was dragged out too long. Even elements of the whisperer & commonwealth arcs in the final 2 seasons, not to mention the horribly unnecessary pope arc in the final season. If they stopped pacing the show horribly to align certain moments with episodes 1, 8, 9, and 16 then the show would’ve felt a lot more fresh and could’ve been an all timer that didn’t have to go past 10 seasons, but sadly we didn’t get that
Well put. I completely agree
His change was for the better in my opinion and the way the made his character in the show was at least for me perfect. Him failing to redeem himself again it's so good and we already have Negan. The Governor is one of my favourite characters and the show really did made him better
I completely disagree with this. It was great for the pacing that we got the governor in season 4 still as the chess board of characters had to develop more so you get the payoffs later on
Okay at the time I would say this arc felt like it was going on forever however in retrospect I really don’t think the governor takes up too much screen time at all if anything a rewatch I was underwhelmed by his appearance. I thought he was much more important
Best villain for me is the gov.
Most dragged out villain story arc was Negan. Second runner up whisperers but u have to know they were actually 2 bosses tbh.
Wolves and terminus deserves more episodes and backstory.
Repears almost good but still lacking in story and motives.
Sme with the I significant commonwealth villains. Only one scene of Pamela being violent when she shot Judith. Still lacking story why they were that way.
My favorite villain is Shane though, if u can call him that.
Agreed
If that didn't work I can't wait to hear your thoughts on the rest of the series
Adaptation being different =/= adaptation being bad
Yeah people don't know what adaptation mean
I'm in the minority in really liking the finale of season 3. Throughout the show we got plenty of big chaotic firefights, to the point where it got a bit stale. The season 3 finale instead has the group outsmarting their enemies by luring them in with a trap and then letting loose. The strategic ambush felt more like something you'd seen in the Breaking Bad/BCS universe and I didn't mind having the group win simply because they were smarter. Plus even if you were disappointed that we didn't get a big action scene we still got it a little later with the Governor anyways so everyone is happy.
And on a side note, I don't think the Governors season 4 story was just redoing his origin story. The theme of the season 4, if not the whole show, is about being too far gone, as the episode title indicates. Hershel, who acts as the groups moral compass, talks to Rick in the premiere about some people being too far gone. Rick seemingly almost was but now tried to come back after the events of season 3 by taking up farming and avoiding violence. The Governor initially tried to do the same with his family but as time went on it became clear that he was too far gone.
The Governor had the perfect storyline. I always felt like Shane deserved 1 more season. While people like Negan and the Whispers were around for way to long
What? The governors story was really good in the show. It wasent to long or short. And the show got more viewers with that whole arc.
Negan / saviours overstayed their welcome more than anything
Opining that the tv adaptation should've been closer to the one-dimensional villain stereotype, then complaining when said adaptation became too much like the one-dimensional stereotypical villain. Not something I expected from this channel.
Season 3-5 is peak walking dead. The governor arc was so damn good. Too far gone is also one of the best episodes ever
It was EPIC
I disagree. The governor was the last good villain. Negan was way too cartoony and destroyed the show. Yea I said it. Idc how popular he was. He needed to leave the show seasons ago.
Negan and his hip-breaking became insufferable after two episodes.
@@Olderaccount17 Exactly. He was kept on way too long because JDM was playing him. He should have been in the show 2 seasons max.
@@tsarnicholasii6679 Right. He honestly brought on the downfall of the show.
No
@@Olderaccount17 haha oh my god i would roll my eyes every time he'd pop up.. 😂
This is outrageous literally had the best episode of season 4 and top 5 characters and easily the best villain
The Governor Arc is my favorite in the entire series… I respectfully disagree with it being a failed arc. The Governor did not overstay his welcome, he made the story that much better.
The Governor chopping off Hershel's head was one of the greatest moments in Walking Dead history. It was a shock death back when shock deaths were still original. You want a villain that didn't work? Try Terminus.
Terminus went too quick
Nah. His arc was great. He wanted so badly to be a hero and then when it came down to it, he embraced being a villain. But whatever, people like to hate just to hate when it comes to The Walking Dead.
I liked the tv Gov, i loved the prison siege. Sad to lose Herschel in such a cruel, brutal way, and his death is pretty much unavenged but it kept me on the edge of my seat cuz Rick faced an impossible dilemma but neither man was going to budge. Normally such a scenario ends with some incredulous rescue but nope, the tank sealed the prison's fate. It was waaaaay better to break the conflict into 2 parts
The governor is the best vilain of the entire serie, it was when the show was good and not a soap opera.
Sorry you’re wrong this time, he died at the perfect moment
Too Far Gine is literally listed amongst one of the best episodes of the show. Just watch The Thrifty Typewriters video "Why Too Far Gone was the perfect ending to the prison arc"
The Governor was always my favorite walking Dead villain. Negan on the other hand . . .
I thought this was going to be about negan. You can tell they kept him around because he was a fan favorite and not because it made sense
Negan overstayed his welcome.
Are you vitamine D deficient? No one thinks he overstayed his welcome and he remains the objectively best written villain of the entire franchise.
governor goated
I think most the changes were good to the governor, but I completely agree they dragged it out way too much. That season 3 finale was the turning point for me, where the show stopped being good.
How many shrooms you on? Governor is the best TWD villain by a mile. Replace all mentions of Governor in this video with Negan and you got yourself a correct video.
Too far gone is one of the best episode
He was a fresh divergence from the book, I didn't need to see that Governor, but he stayed too long and the story dragged for the sacrifice of more episodes.
I liked the Governor's arc, and was really invested at the time, when his character diverged so drastically from his comic counterpart. Comic Governor was a memorable character, but I don't think he would have worked nearly as well in the tone of the show. The barn storyline though, that dragged on way too long. It didn't need to be a blip like in the comics, but the herd trampling the farm was very overdue.
I preferred the Governor over Negan as a villain because he wasn't over the top when acting.
Weird i liked this villain. More interesting then alot of the protagonists like Ezekiel and whoever the trash people were in season 7.
I think the breaking down and rebuilding of the Governor before the climax was great. It showed that even when he had a second chance to start fresh and carve a new life; he was too far gone already.
So strange. I am rewatching The Walking Dead again (up until season 6), and i have just finished episode 8 where he dies. This is timely.
The Governor is a great character going from a charismatic golf playing leader (not entirely sane btw) to a Psychopathic non compassionate killing machine! His arc was great and honestly WAY better than Negan's. He brought a dynamic to Rick and the others that made the survival aspect of the show terrifying. He is not someone you would want to come across in the apocalypse which you can say about all the villains but this man had no remorse in the end. He was great.
I disagree season 4 was one of the best additions to the tv version of the character and makes him stand out from his comic counterpart to see him be broken then built up again, and for him to have his failed redemption arc where he falls back to his old ways.
The only antagonist that was enjoyable to watch for more than one season was Shane because you get to see him start as a good guy being someone you could root for and slowly watch him become darker when faced with increasingly desperate situations that slowly strip away more and more of his humanity - it also cuts deeper than conflicts with other antagonists due to his familiarity to the group as it’s original de facto leader and his complicated relationship with the Grimes family
I’ll drop the like because I love seeing walking dead content, but I can’t say I agree with you here
Yo man same, they couldn’t made 100 other videos being critical of the walking dead but they made a video about something that didn’t need criticism
I completely agree S4 E8 should have been season 3’s finale and if I where to rank all seasons of TWD season 3 would probably be in the bottom half because it easily had the potential to be the best season of the show
All this time, while the tv series was produced, I had no idea it originated as one of image's comic books.
He definitely didn’t overstay his welcome, he’s the last TWD villain id say that about, not just because he’s the best villain by a mile but because the others are all mid and drug out. Negan is good but other than his introduction which is the best character introduction in TV history he’s a 6.5-7/10 character overall, The governors arcs are incredible
I highly disagree with this take. I’m completely fine with how his story went
I lost interest in The Walking Dead comic when Negan was introduced. I basically saw him as The Governor 2.0. As bad and sadistic as the Governor was, Negan was doubly so. It was just more of the same.
I won't lie I did like this character. He was extremely tragic and fast burning villain that fizzled out just as fast as he showed up
It was done perfectly, Governor is the best walking dead villain when it comes to the tv show and I really really hope that they adapt the first two Governor novels as a 2 season limited series with David Morrissey before he gets any older
You're tripping. Staying faithful to the unbelievable comic bullshit is what killed the show, once Negan was introduced.
Bro has clearly never seen the show if he doesn’t like the governor
What irritated me the most about the governers death in the show is that we never what happened to the woman who put the last bullet in his head.
DUDE YOU MUSTVE BEEN HIGH. THE GOVERNOR WAS ACTUALLY THE BEST CHARACTER! NEGAN UNFORTUNATELY WAS THE ONE WHO RUINED THE WHOLE SHOW.
The Governor does have a story arc. Read "The Road To Woodbury." It's a great read and you get to see how he becomes such a piece of shit.
The thought the way they did the governor was great tbh, yeah sure at the time waiting over a year to see the final show down did suck but it was worth it.
I totally agree with this. The Governor was fine, but the decision to extend him for another half season wasn't. The arc should've ended on a peak, but instead it muddled on. I never liked the first half of season 4 (barring the midseason finale). The disease plot bored me and the show just felt like it was adding filler until it got back to the delayed prison attack plot point.
In retrospect, this was a red flag. Most of the problems this show had was from extending plotlines way farther than they needed to be. The amount of times this show chose to tread water rather than get to the next plot point gradually became infuriating. As the seasons went on the quality of the writing went down overall, and mistakes like this went from easy to forgive to impossible to sit through.
Great video.
I didn’t flench until Carl died. I didn’t this about it once, I was totally invested and stopped cold turkey. That took out the story.
So in comics he was just generic villian with no reasons. So that makes the new one with story and arch worst ?
no idea why they constantly refused to adapt the comic writers are so far up their own butts they think they can do better than the ip they are using its sad
"Wore out his welcome"
I couldnt disagree more, enjoy the view and comment, not watching further. Have a good day.
While I agree with the first part about S3 being super anticlimactic, I remember really loving the Governor episodes in S4. I remember the debate on whether or not he could be redeemed, if they would change the show up from the comics. His two bottle episodes were very interesting at the time and “Too Far Gone” is one of the top five TWD episodes.
I think The Governor stayed in the show for the PERFECT amount of time. Anything less wouldn't be enough, and anything more would be too much.
6:25 I never understood that logic. They wanted to take the prison from Ricks group.... by destroying it.
He didn’t want the prison, he wanted to kill Rick out of revenge from Rick embarrassing him last season
this just makes no sense. I understand your points but it almost feels like you haven't watched the show. the governor, almost unanimously didn't overstay his welcome at all.
im glad to see most of the comment section disagrees with this
Glad I read the comments, because I could've swore everyone loved tv Governor.
If any villain in TWD overstayed their welcome, the Governor would've been the LAST villain I expected, do you have so few ideas that you need to make stuff up to get content?
I havent watched a second yet, but I audibly groaned every time it seemed like this arc was coming to an end, and it didn't.
Disagree. The Govenor arc in the Tv show was perfect. Not to long and not to short
Edit: 6:40 it happened in the mid season final with months to wait for the show to continue there for it didnt felt wrong or weird at all
The Governor, as well as the first half of season 4, is possibly the best written aspect of the entirety of the franchise. Real bad take.
Eh this video feels like a miss... I always thought he was the best out of all of TWD villains, and this era is still one of my favorite parts to rewatch. If anything bothered me about this era it was Andrea.
I completely disagree that was honestly one of the most climactic moments of the show when the Governor rolled up to the prison and decapitated Herschel. Nerdstalgic L
I nearly never say this, but I'm really glad I didn't knew the source material before I watched the adaptation. David Morrissey was so good it was exactly the plot that demanded he went total crazy at the end. He was the most complex TWD...well I was gonna say villain but he truly wasn't. He was a leader, made a small village actually functioning, did factual research against the plague, and had emotional connections also. Not even one antagonist put this up again, hell even our protagonists either. It was the first ending for me when they killed him. Sad that the showrunners didn't do a The Boys kinda spin and threw the comics in the bin to create a coherent and logical story.
Nah I disagree, I liked his arc quite a lot, especially over Neagan’s arc. His dragged on for so long and it killed the show for me. Along with the writing decisions to kill off certain characters yet neagan was given a whole new character development and you know the rest.
I like to see the alternative reality where Danny Trejo plays the governor.
Exactly! He stayed around way too long.
"Butchered" is a great word to describe how bad TWD was.
I disagree I thought they handled the Governor great. They definitely changed some things from the comics but they were welcome changes to me, not better or worse just different and season 4 is arguably the best season of the show and Too Far Gone was one of the best episodes
I agree with you. I prefer the original version. The horrible, violent and dark Governor.
The show tried to make relatable and gave him a new family and a redemption arc. Why? It was unnecessary. That guy, for me, was the opposite of Rick. Although it is better described as a way of showing what a person with power could be in a finished world. Just taking what he wants and tearing up what he doesn't like. An extreme...
It wasn't a perfect arc. I don't know why people liked it so much. It was long, boring and anticlimactic. But I have to admit that Negan was more boring. Too many seasons, stretching the drama...just to try to maintain an audience that little by little left.
They tried to make the series last way too long. I remember around season 5 the showrunners were talking about making the series last 15 seasons. They ended up making similar mistakes with Negan. Meandering for a whole season trying to get people just to want to fight back against Negan was a dumb mistake. It didn't need to take 16 episodes for them to come to the conclusion that war with Negan was necessary. They tossed in a bunch of unnecessary garbage like the literal trash people and the Oceanside people who never really amounted to anything
While Too Far Gone is my favorite episode I think it SHOULD have been the season 3 finale, the flu stuff felt like filler, same with the walk to terminus
It's true that the end of season 3 feels anticilimactic and the Governor's return feels disjointed, but I do like the character development Rick has in the show, with him becoming "softer" during his farmer arc and thus asking Philip for peace.
Early season 4 is also the golden age of the prison, where it's population was the highest. It's basically when things were running the smoothest. I always enjoyed that.
I think this is the first time I’ve disagreed with a take on this channel, that’s not a bad thing just a difference in taste
I never read the comics (been trying to get the hardback collections tho) and after learning about comic Governor, I actually think I like the show version better
Nor did I think he dragged on too long, Negan absolutely dragged to long and then hooked up with Maggie from what I heard (I was genuinely upset when I heard that, it feels so wrong)
At first I thought they were dragging it on a bit too much with the Governor. That's around when I went from being a huge fan of the show to more a casual viewer. Looking back little did I know "The Governor" would be the least of this shows problems as far as dragging things on for way too long. At some point around Negan I just flat out stopped watching.