I am working on the similar setup 3 zone radiant heat for living, garage and lean-to, Heartstone Heritage Soapstone wood stove (2500 sq ft) and a 5 ton 220V electric heat pump for 3624 sq feet living Barndo in Cumberland plateau TN mostly for AC. Currently at framing stage about to have metal roofing installed.
Doing nearly the same system with our barndo, 40x60. Radiant floors throughout and wood stove. On acreage with plenty of wood. Instead of a furnace, we were considering one or two mini-splits for the 2 bedrooms and one bath in the upper loft. Heat and AC. How did you decide on an HVAC furnace system for backup vs mini-split?
Always great info Paul! Just curious if you have checked inside of your blower compartment, on your furnace inside the attic? Doing service in California I found moisture issues with burning a wood stove and not running the blower because of the temperature difference between the cabinet and the attic. We just finished a 60x40 shop thanks to you and R@R Buildings... Thanks for all you do and keep the videos coming Brother!
One of my units is in my utility room off the garage and the other is upstairs in a utility closet. They are not located in the attic. I could see where that may be a possible issue. Thanks for watching!
Just wondering what happens when you pull a snow covered vehicle into the heated garage. Do you soon find a pool of water on the floor? does it just evaporate, is the floor sloped to drain it away? If it evaporates, does it cause condensation inside the shop?
@@cooper8318 what I meant was using your system. Run some lines under the driveway, with some type of valve assembly that would close it during the summer time. Have you ever done that?
@@Mr.XYZ6775 Yes you will run the driveway as its own zone/zones and just turn that zone on/off whenever you like. Each zone is independently adjustable
Thought about it...with 4000+ square feet, felt more comfortable with conventional. I am going to be installing a mini split in my garage area for our canning kitchen and office spaces.
I am in my planning phase of my build and plan on radiant floor with with furnace plus wood stove. Just curious if you considered geothermal, the reason I ask was mainly for AC cost. My wife and I had a house that had a closed loop system and I was surprised by how cheap the AC season was.
@Homie Gibiotch I watched it the first time, I just don't remember and the level of insulation is relevant to HVAC costs. Any way, if you add the gas, electric and add a bit more for all the wood he burns, his budget is between $300-400/month, divide by about 4.5 and you get $70-90 a month per 1,000 ft^2. I think I have to do better since I want to cool/heat with solar power and a heat pump mini-split AC. I can't supplement my heating with gas or wood burning because I don't have a gas hookup, a propane tank or trees to harvest for wood. Luckily I have a large number of cloud free days for excellent solar production.
@Homie Gibiotch there are charts showing year round ground temperatures based on depth. In my area, if you go down about 12' it is between 65-75 degrees depending on season but it lags behind the change of season by several weeks. That reduces how hard your heat pump has to work but if your ground source (loop or well) isn't big enough, you'll lower or raise the ground temp enough that you lose the advantage over air source. If you insulate and air seal that reduces the amount of heat you have to move and thus the size of the ground source you need. Ground source would probably work great for me but it is expensive to buy the heat pump and expensive to bury the ground source loop. It also creates several single points of failure because most people wouldn't bury two ground sources or install two heat pumps. I think good insulation, air sealing and then over sizing my solar system will be a better use of my money. I'm also going to use two multi-zone heat pumps to run 4-5 wall units so if one heat pump or up to 2-3 wall units fail, I will still have some level of air conditioning or heat. I do have an idea for using ground source heating but it doesn't involve a heat pump. I just need an engineer who know thermodynamics to run some calculations for me.
Good explanation of your total system. Is your backup furnace propane or heat pump? Your first propane contract was extremely reasonable! What are you currently paying in Iowa?
The furnaces are gas. You can watch install here if interested - th-cam.com/play/PL3QM32YjSVn0pO51wea8exog7yBUkQ9Xz.html I believe our latest contract was $2.05. So went up about $0.50/gallon.
Turbo...we didn't use ICF on our personal house. Our channel is focused on post frame construction. We will occasionally use ICF for the foundation if necessary. We did use ICF on the build below because of the soil conditions th-cam.com/play/PL3QM32YjSVn24Y0jGrwYcGQ1--0ACLiRN.html
my brother did this with his 4000sqft 2 story home.. radiant floors and he said he would never do it again. the propane costs killed him. he put in a pellet stove and resolved his extremely high propane bill.
@@tipsreviews7476 you are obviously a troll or you'd know what I'm talking about. If you're fishing for more detailed info you're asking the wrong person
@@MrPostFrame I'm looking at land in Ohio and a 5500 square feet barndominium If I get it would it be to much or could that be something you would take on
Thank you Paul. You may not know it and your information is super helpful to many people...let alone the entertainment value.
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
I am working on the similar setup 3 zone radiant heat for living, garage and lean-to, Heartstone Heritage Soapstone wood stove (2500 sq ft) and a 5 ton 220V electric heat pump for 3624 sq feet living Barndo in Cumberland plateau TN mostly for AC. Currently at framing stage about to have metal roofing installed.
Sounds great!
I hope you fix that hole behind your radiant thermostat, LOVE your channel!
Doing nearly the same system with our barndo, 40x60. Radiant floors throughout and wood stove. On acreage with plenty of wood. Instead of a furnace, we were considering one or two mini-splits for the 2 bedrooms and one bath in the upper loft. Heat and AC. How did you decide on an HVAC furnace system for backup vs mini-split?
Always great info Paul! Just curious if you have checked inside of your blower compartment, on your furnace inside the attic? Doing service in California I found moisture issues with burning a wood stove and not running the blower because of the temperature difference between the cabinet and the attic.
We just finished a 60x40 shop thanks to you and R@R Buildings... Thanks for all you do and keep the videos coming Brother!
One of my units is in my utility room off the garage and the other is upstairs in a utility closet. They are not located in the attic. I could see where that may be a possible issue.
Thanks for watching!
Just wondering what happens when you pull a snow covered vehicle into the heated garage. Do you soon find a pool of water on the floor? does it just evaporate, is the floor sloped to drain it away? If it evaporates, does it cause condensation inside the shop?
Our garage floor is sloped with drains. Haven't had issues with condensation.
Question, can I use the radiant concrete heating for a car driveway, let's say 30 x 80 feet. This is to melt the snow to prevent from shoveling.
yes ive seen that done
@@cooper8318 what I meant was using your system. Run some lines under the driveway, with some type of valve assembly that would close it during the summer time. Have you ever done that?
@@Mr.XYZ6775 Yes you will run the driveway as its own zone/zones and just turn that zone on/off whenever you like. Each zone is independently adjustable
Very informative video, great explanation. Thanks Paul!
Did you consider mini splits before you installed your central furnace/AC?
Thought about it...with 4000+ square feet, felt more comfortable with conventional. I am going to be installing a mini split in my garage area for our canning kitchen and office spaces.
I am in my planning phase of my build and plan on radiant floor with with furnace plus wood stove. Just curious if you considered geothermal, the reason I ask was mainly for AC cost. My wife and I had a house that had a closed loop system and I was surprised by how cheap the AC season was.
You’ll never pay a geothermal unit off
That's very helpful. Thanks.
How do you safely run that stack through the roof?
$284 usd per month + the wood isn't that cheap, but you do get a high level of comfort for it and I'd say it's worth it for 4000sqft
Great update, Paul!
Thanks!
I am surprised you dont take advantage of the combi boiler for your domestic hot water needs .
Hello nice vidéo and projet nice Idea love it tanks
What is your insulation type, R-value and how good is your air sealing?
@Homie Gibiotch I watched it the first time, I just don't remember and the level of insulation is relevant to HVAC costs.
Any way, if you add the gas, electric and add a bit more for all the wood he burns, his budget is between $300-400/month, divide by about 4.5 and you get $70-90 a month per 1,000 ft^2. I think I have to do better since I want to cool/heat with solar power and a heat pump mini-split AC. I can't supplement my heating with gas or wood burning because I don't have a gas hookup, a propane tank or trees to harvest for wood.
Luckily I have a large number of cloud free days for excellent solar production.
@Homie Gibiotch there are charts showing year round ground temperatures based on depth. In my area, if you go down about 12' it is between 65-75 degrees depending on season but it lags behind the change of season by several weeks. That reduces how hard your heat pump has to work but if your ground source (loop or well) isn't big enough, you'll lower or raise the ground temp enough that you lose the advantage over air source. If you insulate and air seal that reduces the amount of heat you have to move and thus the size of the ground source you need.
Ground source would probably work great for me but it is expensive to buy the heat pump and expensive to bury the ground source loop. It also creates several single points of failure because most people wouldn't bury two ground sources or install two heat pumps. I think good insulation, air sealing and then over sizing my solar system will be a better use of my money. I'm also going to use two multi-zone heat pumps to run 4-5 wall units so if one heat pump or up to 2-3 wall units fail, I will still have some level of air conditioning or heat.
I do have an idea for using ground source heating but it doesn't involve a heat pump. I just need an engineer who know thermodynamics to run some calculations for me.
We have 3" of closed cell spray foam (R21) in our walls and blown-in insulation (R60) in our ceiling.
Good explanation of your total system. Is your backup furnace propane or heat pump? Your first propane contract was extremely reasonable! What are you currently paying in Iowa?
The furnaces are gas. You can watch install here if interested - th-cam.com/play/PL3QM32YjSVn0pO51wea8exog7yBUkQ9Xz.html
I believe our latest contract was $2.05. So went up about $0.50/gallon.
Great video, new sub.
Can I ask why you didn’t use ICF all the way up the house? Looking to build soon. Thanks.
Turbo...we didn't use ICF on our personal house. Our channel is focused on post frame construction. We will occasionally use ICF for the foundation if necessary.
We did use ICF on the build below because of the soil conditions
th-cam.com/play/PL3QM32YjSVn24Y0jGrwYcGQ1--0ACLiRN.html
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Thanks!
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my brother did this with his 4000sqft 2 story home.. radiant floors and he said he would never do it again. the propane costs killed him. he put in a pellet stove and resolved his extremely high propane bill.
He lives near Des Moines IA and it's average Temps on that chart were quite high unlike in Wisconsin where it's colder.
Pellets are insane price. No way he off set propane with pellets.
Was it properly insulated?
@@mkzenthusiasts who lives near iowa?
@@tipsreviews7476 you are obviously a troll or you'd know what I'm talking about. If you're fishing for more detailed info you're asking the wrong person
Are you a builder or did you just build yours on your own
Built mine...now building for others
@@MrPostFrame I'm looking at land in Ohio and a 5500 square feet barndominium If I get it would it be to much or could that be something you would take on
Will you ever add solar to your system?
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wow that is incredibly cheaper than i thought it would be
Thanks for watching!
The most even heat. I wouldn't have anything but radiant heat.
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How much wood did you use and how much did that cost. If you got that wood from your land you'll need to factor in man hours to process that wood
Don't think I'd need all that heat in Texas.
Jesus, did you cut your fingernails with a chainsaw? Lol
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