Estonia would have been even more horrifying than Titanic disaster. They didn't have time to start the evacuation, because the situation developed so fast. They only had less than 10 minutes for the evacuation before it would have been impossible. Plus the crew didn't had proper training for the situation. Lifeboats were useless because of the ship's angle, also getting to deck was nearly impossible and people got trapped in their cabins.
In terms of % of survival though, Estonia was far worse than Titanic... Titanic: 706 survivors out of 2200ish = 32.09% of those onboard survived. Estonia: 137 survivors out of 989 onboard = 13.85% of survivors. To simplify, roughly one out of three people survived on Titanic, but only a little more than one out of ten survived on Estonia...
I’d tend to agree, simply because everyone was on the same playing field here, and were not segregated by class. Titanic had a slight list, and dint even get at a super high angle till the final few minutes. A full on list where your only exit essentially becomes a ceiling is horrifying to think about. To desperately try to jump and grab, only to realize your efforts are in vain, the only thing left to do is to sit there and accept it. Truly terrifying.
i was one of the rescue that night, I will never forget the dark gray sea and the upturned rescue inflatables that were gray underneath (orange when they float as they supposed to, but most had capsized ... we could hardly see them. I visit the memorial in Stockholm every year. I pray that i could have done more. God bless you all.
You gave your part, there is nothing that you can do now, and there was too little time, its nobodys fault, it always surprises me, I live in here and half of my family lives in stockholm and half in Estonia, I have traveled this route since I was a little child, and I know how rough the waves can get in the baltic sea but it always amazes me how it was possible that these waves were that strong that they broke off the visor, ships are usually built for surviving these waves , God bless you for helping these people
I am swedish, born in 1992, and in 1993 my family vacationed in Estonia traveling with the M/S Estonia. when i see these videos of the sinking I am deeply struck by the blind luck that caused me to be here today. I would have had no chance surviving this event.
@@kragary Its not deep. Most windows should be intact even when ship reached bottom. It must have been many and large aripockets lasting for hours. Its a horrible thought.
The only reason so many people died on TITANIC was because there weren’t enough lifeboats for everyone. That and crew members blocking second and third class passengers from using stairs and hallways “reserved” for first class passengers. Had there been enough lifeboats, and some stairs and passageways had not been blocked, all could have survived because there was plenty enough time. In the case of the ESTONIA (a very different kind of vessel with built-in inherent dangers), most passengers never had a chance. It began capsizing very quickly. Too fast for an orderly evacuation. ESTONIA was actually a much worse disaster than Titanic, in terms of the actual sequence of events and the short amount of time they transpired in.
@@steffe8103 realisticly though people inside Estonia had only 20-25 minutes to get out. After that it would have already been pretty much impossible and thats why most of ppl never even made it out of the ship
The worst part that people often fail to acknowledge, is the panic. There were many reports of people stealing life vests off other passengers due to not having one themselves. There were a few looters that took chains and jewelry off passengers. Usually the victims were women as they couldn't defend themselves and are simply too weak to fight someone off. And since most were trying to surive they simply didn't care. This is also partially the reason that 97% of all female passengers died, most never got a life vest, some didn't get help and often couldn't make it on a lifeboat or raft because the men simply beat them to it. Some simply didn't have the strength anymore to climb up the massive angle, and fell. I'm not saying they should've gotten help, but when it's everyone for themselves the ladies have no chance.... They will never make it first on a lifeboat or raft because they don't have the strength. It's really sad to think about how so many people died in the ship because they couldn't get out or simply had no chance with all the people climbing over them. I heard a story of a young girl that died on this ship, supposedly she managed to make it out onto the deck, but there was no help for her and her life vest was supposedly taken from her. She died together with the 800+ others. Imagine how many similar stories happened.
Being trapped in the main lobby area, or in a hall not being able to get out because the stairs are upside down, but also because the power is gone, and you're now in the darkest black environment you've ver seen, all you can hear is the roaring metal of the ship as the engines are of and a deaeing static sound o water sloshing everywhere until you hear people around you start screaming as you hear the water rushing towards you as you're being VIOLENTLY thrown about in the dark, praying they all got KO'd beore the end...
I am genuenly able to feel with those people, i was on a crossing a few years ago from denmark to norway where we were told to hold on to something when we went into port. There was a gale force offshore storm, the crossing took seven hours.
Absolutely tragic.. I remember it it very well. My cousin from Jylland lost a friend there. Many took the train to Stockholm, and then went on foot to the ferry. That friend there because of some national celebration in Estonia. Very tragic that something like that happens afterwards
it was worse because the weather was shit and the whole thing went down a lot faster than titanic so they never had time to properly evacuate it was just a panic shitfest, also I know this comment is 1y old
Just one thing: nobody of the crew looked at the car deck from the monitors. The panel on the bridge said, that the front was closed, and in comparison to other ships like the Estonia, they couldn't see the ship bow from the bridge. So they saw no reason to watch the sequences from the security cameras on the monitors.
Tammes from MV Estonia was that guy His last audio was the location of the ship which he provided to MS Silja Europa I think who were the first responders to the MAYDAY calls
My mother's old crush died in that boat with his newly married. I wouldn't want that to happen even to my old crushes. If Titanic was scary enough, they had hours to prepare for survival, but these didn't even have that... No wonder my mom was so tough hearted. She didn't want to dig in the misery of a thought.
I hope that there's movie made on this like Titanic. But the problem would be how to show the sinking while keeping the movie length long enough. This ship sank really fast, the movie on it would be an hour long at best..
Size has nothing to do safety. Also, RO-RO ferries like the ESTONIA are not your normal ship. There are certain inherent vulnerabilities and dangers with these types of vessels.
@@-moominremix-3280 yes... in times of titanic they believed that technology used on her will make her unsinkable same as nowadays ppl tend to believe that technology is at its best... see ferry sewol, costa concordia,... respect to the crew, they went down with ship not like on costa concordia and sewol they were cowards and rip to the victims
I was as the same sea when this happened but a different ship and I remember I had a hard time sleeping thx to waves it was realy bad weather. But what I remember the most was waking up and prepare to leave the ship I was on and watching the TV monitors during breakfast and they showed swedish tv4 channel all about Estonia and I remember the feeling. The same thing when we drive of the ship and started to se the newspaperstands every single newspaper said the same thing.
I know some here said that builders weren't at fault, but they alone aren't responsible for the result: they do as they're told. The reports have mentioned a design flaw a few times which the front visor might have been.
The ship had been in service for over thirty years…at this point, MAINTENANCE AND MANAGEMENT are more at fault than design. It was made according to specs…car ferries are inherently dangerous.
@@mamavswild Also, The Estonia was not made for crossing open waters like it did on the Tallin - Stockholm line. It was made to cross between Stockholm and Mariehamn where most of the journey is close to land except for a few hours.
@@mamavswild It was built in 1980, so it had been in service for nowhere near thirty years. Also, the yard that manufactured the ship, have themselves said that the bow visor and ramp weren't dimensioned for the kind of weather that's in the Baltic sea
Hunter Richard i would love the idea except for all the truther tinfoil hat theories they’d probably try to drag in. I saw an old old movie Poseidon adventure which had an idea of when you’re capsized how everything becomes hard and deadly. It doesn’t meet the timeframe of this, or the angle. But it makes you realize how that list would create havoc. Hope you’re not going on a cruise soon :)
Hunter Richard they really should! In Estonia is running a tv show “I survived an Estonia accident” and all you see is people crying and being heartbroken and it would really be a great movie!
I read that the vast majority of the survivors were in good athletic shape. That’s why they managed to get out. Fat people, injured people, old people etc. didn’t stand a chance.
Another reason to take the best care of yourself as possible. Being able to outrun a knife welding maniac, escape a sinking ferry or out run the fat person while being chased by some man eating predator… all depend on being in shape. Injuries and old age are just hard luck. But being a fat slob is no excuse
And if somebody means, the tragedy is the fault of the builders, then you should check out the builder bevor you go onto a cruise Ship, Mayer was and is a good shipbuiding Company.
the ship yard is not to blame and neither the design... no doubt some one wanted the ship go down... they just do not sink... they tilt over and stay afloat as long the air is stuck in the hull.. but a hole.. well.. then it is a game changer... swedish government was involved in monkey business in former east.. and upset a few angry souls... not deliver on their words... and then the ship was sunk... period
It's not the fault of the builders, the real reason why it wen't down was because it was on a route it was not designed for, it would have been fine on short trips like over the gulf of Finland since it was designed for those kind of trips, however it was put on the stockholm-tallinn route, where the storms can get pretty rough. The visor came off as it couldn't handle the storm and it sunk since the water was pouring in through the front
@@torbisoder4768 No, you are crazy. No "governmental felony" behind. What went wrong was that the idiotic captain steered right into the waves at full speed to reduce rolling, and reach Stockholm ASAP. He literally hammered the bows into/onto the waves at full engine power. The captain was very, very irresponsible. However; there was a stupid thing with Estonia - one could not see the bows (and thereby the missing visor from the bridge, so they didn't know the visor was gone. And there was no cameras directed on the lock mechanism either (which there HAS to be today with such ferries.) And then the captain made another mistake. A steering mistake. In order to reduce the list, he turned to one side, and thereby did the turning of the ship force the torrents of sea water to one side, namely the side were the list already was, making the list worse. And no way to stop water entering the car deck. The captain - the captain the captain was to blame. Just like on Titanic, where he gave full power, not caring a lot for icebergs. Anyways; it is not very smart to have a vessel, where you can't see the bows. And put a not very good captain in charge.
Now. Year 2020. Everybody knows the answer. The visor is still intact. There's a huge hole in the bottom of Estonia. Four m long and about 1,5m wide...Something hit the ship (submarin?) just before it sank. I think everybody has seen the new documentary... The tradegy is just as great.
I personally believe the visor broke off, Stayed afloat riding down the staurbord side long enough for the ship to impale itself with it's own visor. Strange and outlandish I know , But that is a possibility of how the huge whole on the side came from.
This has been proven to be impossible as the impact damage required at least 2000 - 4000 tonnes to be able punch into the metal frame of the ship and result in the damage found by Henrik Evertson. The bow visor was only 50 tonnes and could not have caused that hole, which has now been shown in the new investigation to be even 20x larger in length than first discovered.
@@EricBlair-jg2ux I haven't seen the new investigation. But to me If the ship was riding up and down in the storm the force of the ship coming down could cause the 4k metric ton force to break the plating.
2020: a film team has found a crack on the side of Estonia after a dive to explore it. It`s 4 meters high and 1.5 meters wide, but my guess is that was made by the port that broke loose from the front, hitting the side of the ship and making the crack. The crack is vertical, not horisontal. The only explanation I can get from it if it`s not the port, Estonia was struck by a smaller ship on it`s side, not showing on radar which is highly unlikely. Conspiracy people will probably soon start to spread ideas about Russian submarines. FYI the diver team that found the crack are being prosecuted as the ship was left as a final grave for the passengers and crew who died. The companies behind the dive will probably get a lot of heat for disturbing the grave and for enable conspiracy theories around why the boat sank. My guess is this is just a cynical "spin off" from a production very similar to this one called SCANDINAVIAN STAR, a documentary series that made a big impact on it`s release earlier this year
Why you can't admit facts? Yes, it was later revealed that ship has been used with smuggling soviet war stuff. Yes, there is lots of conspiracy theories about sinking. Yes, if it was some goddamn swedish submarine, it's crew would be very sorry, and live in guilt rest of their lives. And no, I wasn't even born when this happened. I didn't have any relatives onboard. And if you had, I understand if you are looking for someone that you think is guilty. I would, too. But what if the one that is guilty is already in the Baltic sea? What if it was, after all, faulty bow gate (used translate, sorry), bad weather, untied gargo, and short evacuation time? I'm sorry for your possible loss, but sometimes there's simply nothing to do. And after the incident, all ships were upgraded with better sea rescue stuff, and crews are trained better. Lets just remember the dead ones and honor their memory.
Read "A Sea Story".. it was an article written in the Atlantic in 2004 about this disaster. It's still one of the most harrowing things I've ever read.
Thanks for the recommend! Just read it and it's indeed harrowing. Similar to "The Clock is Ticking" by the same author, about the 2015 sinking of the El Faro. I recommend that one as it too is a harrowing read!
@esMusicalus wow... had no clue there was another one. That guy is a great disaster writer. Thanks for the return recommend! I think the thing that gets me about "A Sea Story" is how the author stresses that on such a crowded small location it was a terribly lonely way to die because most people were separated from families/friends and due to the disorienting nature of the sinking. It basically became every man for himself trying to escape a fun house like nightmare of physical challenges. It's terrifying. "Moreover, the cabins themselves were smaller than cells, and though this must have been unimaginable to even the most miserable of their occupants that night, many soon turned into traps and then coffins." GAH!
Very well done, except that many passengers have stated that as they were in the water, they saw Estonia rise with the front pointed toward the sky "like a church steeple", which would indicate the pointy end of the bow; meaning that the front end of the ship must have rose several hundred feet in the air before the whole thing went down.
It's only 80 m deep where she sank and the ship was about 150 m long. The front couldn't have risen too high without the rear hitting bottom of the sea. Max 45 degrees or so.
How would the ramp open when it was held by hydraulics? It shouldn't flip down like that. Also the amount of water entering without the bow visor should be able to be pumped out.
@@EagleOne76 It's a bit hard to get to full grasp of the layout. And it's difficult to comprehend that the ramp didn't serve as a backup. It seems like a terrible design.
Ferry’s like this are very vulnerable to capsizing if water enters the cargo deck. Herald of Free Enterprise had a similar incident in Britain prior to Estonia. The ramp was just a bad design that wasn’t meant to be used in open waters of the Baltic Sea. Several countries including Sweden share responsibility in approving the ships certification
They are cheaters. Baltic Sea is not Atlantic Ocean. Swell and waves can not be really big. Moreover the period should be short (small). On the video they are trying to apply long ocean swell to convince us of abnormal waves. But vessels arrived to render assistance were able to stop their engines and propellers and safely drift with sea and winds without excessive rolling and pitching...Sorry, but most probably government conspiracy in this case. R.I.P. all those lost their lives.
Hanna Pavlenko dude Ive been on a boat in Baltic Sea during a storm in winter and the waves get absolutely crazy. The boat was tilting like a mother fucker. Couldn’t walk straight in the hall.
It’s me Here and there Dude I was on another of these big ships in that sea that very night. It was really bad. People were falling when trying to walk (maybe with the help of alcohol but anyway - really high and strong waves).
One of the reason for estonia's sinking is that it wasn't designed for that route. It originally was Turku-Stockholm rout and was designed for shorter cruises
Note that the time of the Bow visor detaching is believed to be ~01:10 at night. Estonia disappeared from radar at 1:50. Meaning that it stayed afloat for 40 minutes (not even rolling over until the very end) with a gigantic hole at sealevel. Not even the animator found that believable enough to animate and doesn't show a single wave entering the ship, heading straight into waves as high as the Estonias draught it would've instantly flooded and turned over, much like the MS Herald of Free Enterprise that capsized in 90 seconds. Survivors from below the car deck testifying about water leaking up from decks beneath them also raises red flags about the whole thing.
@@DonFelixGallardo Sabotage, the Russians knew Estonia and Sweden used her to smuggle soviet era tech into the hands of the UK and US. All I know is there is no way the bow visor came off and ripped the car ramp down as the official story says. They found one of the arms that are supposed to hold the bow visor to the ship. They tossed it back into the ocean for some reason. Other vessels simular to Estonia who have capsized without a massive hole in them have stayed afloat upside down for days.
No watertight/splashtight compartments on the car deck at all. Nothing to stop water from moving around. Plus, no way to see from the bridge, is bow is gone. 2 HUGE design mistakes, that make ZERO sense to me
@@UWfalcin Isolated air pockets are NOT enough to make the ship float upside down/sideways if enough water gets in to all decks...and so it happened here, so ofc it was gonna sink and sink fast.
@Balnazzardi Well that is a big quesiton people ask about the Estonia sinking.. That is what happened to Jan Heweliuz the year before f.e. It laid upside down for a week or similar until it finally sunk. Edit: it* sunk.
Im so lucky to be alive.. im scared to go on cruises since i saw this.. i was 3 years old when i cruised with estonia to sweden.. Thank you God for saving me and my family and not letting this tragedy happen when i was on that boat.. it sank some months or something later.. but its horrifying and im sad for all those lost lifes. this shouldnt happen but it just shows how fragile life and curises are! just a tiny wrong with techincal matter and this can happen in a few minutes.. its crazy.. and so scary. i dont know how ive been able to go on cruises ever since like 5-10 times.. i shouldnt have.. since its so dangarous! this happened even faster than titanic, they didnt even release any life-boats on estonia ? they barely got time. and just like titanic this happened just when everyone went to sleep = less likely they get out safely than if it would´ve been during the day.. awful :(
Raki_HD he just said he was 3 years old when he was on a cruise to sweden on the Estonia. And that the Estonia disaster happened just months after that.. can you fucking read my guy?!
Tell me. how the ares below car deck got water inside it if the boat actually got in water like this. tell me how it didn't just float aroubd with massive airpockets in the lower decks like all other similar incidents? There was a massive hole in the boat
The video even tells how the water flooded there and you still ask this question... I'd also imagine a huge open bow door will let that air out pretty quickly especially since the ship started to sink by the stern after capsizing. The ship also had many missing safety structures that other ships had that contributed to the fast sinking.
@@jjansgi Where? Where does the video say the how the water flooded under car deck? First of all. The bow DID break. but not the car port. even if it did and it flooded the car deck. the water would not have gotten any farther down. meaning every level below car deck would be "dry" when the ship turns upside down. Now. it is impossible for a boat to sink like estonia did by only letting in water through car deck. it needs to have a hole. and OH what's this? Therr is a hole in the side of Estonia that has been documented since 2000 and now again 2020?? Wich would indicate that Estonia actually sank BECAUSE of this hole on the side reaching from Car deck and below. So. Again. Tell me hiw Estonia did not just float around for hours/days before it sank to the bottom of the sea if no hole and only water through car deck happened
@@Saii158 Flooded to decks 0/1 (decks below car deck) via ventilation and openings from the car deck. And the hole was known already in 1997 which was determined coming when the ship hit the sea floor. And the car ramp had buckled partly which indicates that the bow doors ramp housing pulled it downwards. Just because you think it's impossible doesn't mean it is. Many things have been thought to be impossible to happen and yet still happened.
@@jjansgi Nonono dude that's not how it works. "through the vents" the lower decks are not built like that. anyway. Yes it was a THEORY that it bent open. but then magicly shut itself when it landed? yea sure. and the hole was NOT proven from ANYTHING to have appeared when hitting the ground. The metal had been twined wich indicate some sort of explosion and has metal sticking out of the side. Furthermore the swedish Government are cpvering up plenty of things making it even more suspect
Carl Eric Reintamm did arrive the promenade deck 1 till 2 minutes after the loud 2 or 3 bangs that happened between ca. kl. 01.02 or 01.05. According to JAIC the bow visor fell of the ship around kl. 01.16. So the 2-3 big bangs, water on deck 1, and the following starboard listing did happen ca. 10-15 minutes before the separation of the bow visor! That is pretty strange, because that means that the sekvens of happenings did indeed start approximum 12-15 minutes before the car ramp could have let all the water inn on the car deck. That brings the questions on why the water came in on deck 1, and why the ship listed before the ramp fell down and the visor separated from the ship !? Reintamm did see something in the water that left the ship backwards to the left app. 10 minutes before the separation of the bow visor. Assuming that Reintamm looked backwards to the left from starboard promenade deck point of view, the thing in the water most likely could have hit the starboard side of the ship before the separation of the visor, and the opening of the ramp. If Reintamm speaks truth it clearly proves without any shadow of a doubt that the specific time of the the 2-3 loud bangs, the inlet of the water on deck 1, followed by the with 30 degrees starboard listing a few minutes later, that this sekvens of events clearly happened before the separation of the visor and the downfall of the ramp........
What is puzzling to me is, if there was water on deck 1, then why did the ship turn upside down... if there is water on the bottom then there is no reason for the ship to turn like that as the mass is on the bottom. The turning around is only, as far as I can think of, possible if there is air in the bottom which is lighter and messing up the center of gravity which turns the ship around.
@@jurgenkoks9142 That is correct my friend, air on deck 1 and 0 would act as an turning buoyancy when the list becomes large enough. Estonias way of sinking suggest water inlet on deck 0 and 1 because she laid stabil and sank to fast.....
How is it possible for ship like this to sink in 1 hour, where did the air go thats in in two floors below cargodeck. I think its first time in history a ship been sinking this quick of water coming in without a hole
the boat has several blast holes from the inside. the book visor was blown away. since then it has emerged that the boat was followed by a Swedish and Russian submarine
It’s a ferry with a open cargo deck. That type of design is very susceptible to listing and capsizing from flooding. A similar tragedy happened with Herald of Free Enterprise which capsized shortly after its cargo deck was flooded. The rough weather and high waves likely increased flooding of the vessel to cause it to sink rapidly.
@@thedesertrat_9514 The Herald of Free Enterprise sinking was completely different to the Estonia, the Herald capsized immediately, the Estonia listed gradually more and more over the space of 50 minutes. The Herald side hit a sandbank and therefore didn't go turtle, if it had it would have stayed afloat (upside down) for many hours due to the trapped air in the hull. The Estonia didn't do this either.
Now an explanation for the huge holes in the side of the wreck, and one for why Sweden doesn't want anybody taking a closer look at the wreck, and then I would be satisfied.
Hull of ship bents, rips and get crushed when on end of the ship crash against sea bottom before other end. Hull of ship is not desing to endure laying in agle against solid surface
That was my thinking too, 15 knots according to report. Which is 27.78km/h, 27,78 meters per second, and the damage to the hull was found about 2/3rds down the length of the ship? Yeah, I'm calling bull too.
Perhaps the bow hit the fender after falling off? And the fender should be located! and both fender and the bow, be examined. I feel like air crash investigators are better then the boat investigators.
@@asaromsonarenpajas8199 Folk har varit skeptiska till utredning ända från början, troligtvis är allt mörklagt och någonting stämmer inte. Nu när dom hittat hålet hoppas vi på att sanningen äntligen kommer fram
That hole is definitely not big enough to explain a submarine collision. Modern subs from the 90s are larger than 4 meters. A Finnish expert in maritime engineering believes it came from the bow visor hooks which would connect to the locking mechanism. It helps explain why some surviving passengers reported a grinding sound off the side of the ferry before it listed. The hole was likely covered by the seabed which is why it wasn’t reported initially. Even the crew from the documentary said the hull must have shifted over the years
Si cette tragédie s'était réellement passée comme expliqué ici...les autorités auraient renfloué le navire. Émettre une interdiction sur cette épave est inhabituelle.
Well its hinged so it can be lifted up to let cargo and vehicles onboard. Who knows, maybe neglect, mishandling, faulty maintanance, maybe someone pressed the wrong button, maybe a lorry came loose and rammed into it in a bad way, some even suggest it was black ops weapon delivery that somehow got sabotaged or blew up.
@@Saii158 russians couldn’t even save their own from the Kursk, the team that went to the wreck a couple months after were English and other internationals
@@tommyg6573 But that don't change the fact that russians offered to help extract bodies. Even in war we always get the bodies home.but npt this time. for some reason they did not want to
It was moveable so vehicles like cars and trucks could easily be put on the ship when it was on port. But I agree, the moveable bow was a design choice that ultimately caused the deaths of so many people.
@@adrichiii839 the moveable bow is one point for insult that I dont belong in. When it's open it looked like a military vessel. I know that robust construction can manipulate age old tricks. In other videos some have what appears to be a large impact hole in the side at the waterline in others the hole isnt there. One account says that hole was made by a collision which blew the bow open but the ramp stayed shut so I think it was more like a landing craft on steroids with ferocity of opponents...
But what is the real reason of ship damage? Cant see some one who is talking about this. Nothing can cause a damage like this, only underwater mountain , but in Baltic sea is nothing like this. How could this even happen ??
the bow visor was too weak to withstand the powerful waves caused by the bad weather, which is why it broke off and let water in. the flooding was what caused the ship to tilt. (vet inte om du är svensk, men med andra ord: bogvisirets gångjärn och låsanordningar var för svaga för att klara av kraften av vågorna i det dåliga vädret, vilket är varför visiret ramlade av och släppte in vatten i skeppet. de stora strömmarna av vatten fick skeppet att luta, varpå vatten kunde tränga in genom flera ställen.)
@@edvinberg2403 Those might have been caused by plunderers and looters, who wanted to get their hands on the rumored Soviet tech aboard the vessel. The wreck is located in the international waters and is very vulnerable to such activities.
@@georgedash8293 nope, the hole was speculated to be at the exact position it was discovered at - decades before the discovery. The hole occurred moments before the sinking of estonia, confirming the reason as to why water was coming from below the car deck
@@Vivungisport På den sista bilden i videon ser man hur båten ligger. Men haverikommissionen hade inget hål i sina beräkningar, vid själva förlisningen. Hålet måste ha varit synligt! Håkan hade hittat ett annat hål vid bogen. Jag pratar om hålet på styrbord sida.
@@Vivungisport Jo men tänk på att officiellt finns inga hål och lastrampen är öppen det är vad Sveriges regering har bestämt åt oss Båten borde lyftas upp på land och alla kroppar bärgas
I saw it in live in the small town of Hanko / Hango in Finland! I was there with the swedish military 1 year after and we didnt see all of it, it was covered by plastic! Now its not existing anymore! Still very sad thing what has happend!
Honestly, that theory doesn’t hold up as much as the other conspiracies out there. If a submarine has collided with a ferry, then there would be a lost submarine too. Good luck trying to cover that up. Either way, ferry’s like this are vulnerable to rapid sinking if water enters the cargo deck. If the Swedes are trying to cover up anything, its probably their involvement with approving the ships license to sail in the Baltic Sea. Better to downplay responsibility
@@thedesertrat_9514 If submarine collided with ship it would be cut in half or lost some of its parts and sunk nearby. MS Estonia was bigger than destroyer "Statny" that collided with USSR submarine in 1956, wich made submarine sank. And all that happened because submarine commander was replacing someone else and really had no experience with that type of submarines and even when destroyer tryed to maneuver it still didnt help. I cant understand why people think that some underwater "dildo" can hit a big ship and just swim further without any damages? Some idiots even claim that it was Russian submarine which is even more absurd, why would Sweden&Britain&Finland try to cover up Russia? Like seriously, man? hahaah Especially when Sweden wanted to put concrete over ms Estonia remains, even when there are still bodies there and ship is like 75metres under the water, which is not really that deep.
This is not what happened! The boat was sunk by bombs below the waterline on the right side. The ramp was still up but not completely closed. The visir was hangning. The divers found unexploded english bombs on the ramp and somewhere else.
This aged like milk. But if this particular investigation showed the ship hit the mud with the roof first and the waterline never impacted the bottom at all, one could conclude that no rock could have punched that 4m hole in the side. Hopefully the new findings will make some heads roll.
TheEnzoMarten Dag! Homeboy, surely some truly spooky shit to think on and about. Well at the Great White Throne seat of Judgement, the sea and that ferry gotta give up their 'bounty', also when The Lambs Book of Life is opened, the Baltic and ALL other bodies of water(s) will have to do the same. So it may be their place now, but only for but a moment...........✝🕊 BIBI✡🇮🇱 THE DONALD ✝🇺🇸 PERFECT TOGETHER 🇮🇱🇺🇸🕊
@ you mean serious about and concerning what the HOLY BOOK OF THE BIBLE, says to teach, educate, inspire Faith, and desire Salvation from therein. That fully beautiful Book that the GREAT I AM, YAHWEH GOD inspired mankind, Men who knew the Lord, Loved my SAVIOUR, and actually touched HIM, Who knows no time. Who is the First, the Last, the worthy perfect LAMB OF GOD, Who was slain before the foundation of the Earth. Who us, who was , and will always be. You fully and completely and utterly ignorant, Spiritually dead individual. You mean that glorious Holy Book??!!! !!!!
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@@richiepetranico9852 You can call it what you wish to but it's little more than a collection of ramblings based on earlier stories which were based on stories even earlier than those ones, which were politically contrived and put together as well as pulled apart and where much can be found elsewhere but in different translations indicating different meanings. It's not "fully beautiful", much of it is very nasty indeed. The 'first and last' as you term it' is completely unknown to any human being and not one signle one of us knows any truth on it whatsoever. To believe so is to lie to yourself and that's fine but don't lie to me. It is not I who is ignorant and spiritually dead, but you. You with all your faith and all because you're too pathetic and stupid to have ever investigated the religious cult you think you belong to and are too scared to admit it to yourself or genuinely aren't aware. It is not i, my dear christian who is ignorant or spiritually dead but you.
Estonia would have been even more horrifying than Titanic disaster. They didn't have time to start the evacuation, because the situation developed so fast. They only had less than 10 minutes for the evacuation before it would have been impossible. Plus the crew didn't had proper training for the situation. Lifeboats were useless because of the ship's angle, also getting to deck was nearly impossible and people got trapped in their cabins.
He said “more horrifying than the Titanic” and didn’t mention a greater tally of casualties.
In terms of % of survival though, Estonia was far worse than Titanic...
Titanic: 706 survivors out of 2200ish = 32.09% of those onboard survived.
Estonia: 137 survivors out of 989 onboard = 13.85% of survivors.
To simplify, roughly one out of three people survived on Titanic, but only a little more than one out of ten survived on Estonia...
CABAL also some people got crushed by vending and game machine's
and titanic was way bigger, but on the titanic people survived not on here mate
I’d tend to agree, simply because everyone was on the same playing field here, and were not segregated by class. Titanic had a slight list, and dint even get at a super high angle till the final few minutes.
A full on list where your only exit essentially becomes a ceiling is horrifying to think about.
To desperately try to jump and grab, only to realize your efforts are in vain, the only thing left to do is to sit there and accept it.
Truly terrifying.
My father lost his friend in this horrible disaster. May the victims rest in eternal peace.
Sorry to hear that :(
Psychopath
Gus W Shitfuck
@@Opelteanit stfu
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i was one of the rescue that night, I will never forget the dark gray sea and the upturned rescue inflatables that were gray underneath (orange when they float as they supposed to, but most had capsized ... we could hardly see them.
I visit the memorial in Stockholm every year.
I pray that i could have done more.
God bless you all.
You gave your part, there is nothing that you can do now, and there was too little time, its nobodys fault, it always surprises me, I live in here and half of my family lives in stockholm and half in Estonia, I have traveled this route since I was a little child, and I know how rough the waves can get in the baltic sea but it always amazes me how it was possible that these waves were that strong that they broke off the visor, ships are usually built for surviving these waves , God bless you for helping these people
You are a liar, just stop begging for attention.
I see these comments way to often to believe them to be true
Are you from Sweden (Sverige) or Estonia (Esti)?
Droid Droid you were one of the rescues or you were on the rescue?
I am swedish, born in 1992, and in 1993 my family vacationed in Estonia traveling with the M/S Estonia. when i see these videos of the sinking I am deeply struck by the blind luck that caused me to be here today. I would have had no chance surviving this event.
I sailed on her as well. She was called M/S Wasa King at that time back in 1991. Sailed from Vasa in Finland to Umeå in Sweden.
Just thinking about being trapped inside the ship when it sank scares the s*** out of me!
I wonder if there were air pockets inside the ship, how many people survived in those and for how long.
kragary that’s a scary thought!
@@kragary Its not deep. Most windows should be intact even when ship reached bottom. It must have been many and large aripockets lasting for hours. Its a horrible thought.
@@patriklind545 why not rescued them?
Crazy to think it was just swallowing mouthfuls of water from the very front like begging to be sank with all those lives on it
The fact 137 people survived this is more incredible. Relative to the Titanic this sunk in less than half the time from first activity.
The weather was also much worse in this disaster than titanic. Even if you made it onto a life raft, you were not safe.
Yeah I think I read that some froze to death in the life rafts, imagine being that close. The weather really was horrific that day.
Man. technically you had better odds surviving on the Titanic, a 1 in 3 compared to 1 in 6 for this. 🤮
Chris Hickory 1. Titanic didnt sink in 3 hours. 2. Estonia Sunk in 55 min. 3. Titanic sank in a little bit over 2hrs.
The only reason so many people died on TITANIC was because there weren’t enough lifeboats for everyone. That and crew members blocking second and third class passengers from using stairs and hallways “reserved” for first class passengers. Had there been enough lifeboats, and some stairs and passageways had not been blocked, all could have survived because there was plenty enough time. In the case of the ESTONIA (a very different kind of vessel with built-in inherent dangers), most passengers never had a chance. It began capsizing very quickly. Too fast for an orderly evacuation. ESTONIA was actually a much worse disaster than Titanic, in terms of the actual sequence of events and the short amount of time they transpired in.
@@steffe8103 realisticly though people inside Estonia had only 20-25 minutes to get out. After that it would have already been pretty much impossible and thats why most of ppl never even made it out of the ship
And this is why I will never ride a ro-ro ship!
I’m still shaken by the fact that I went on Estonia the year or so before this happened.
The worst part that people often fail to acknowledge, is the panic.
There were many reports of people stealing life vests off other passengers due to not having one themselves. There were a few looters that took chains and jewelry off passengers. Usually the victims were women as they couldn't defend themselves and are simply too weak to fight someone off. And since most were trying to surive they simply didn't care. This is also partially the reason that 97% of all female passengers died, most never got a life vest, some didn't get help and often couldn't make it on a lifeboat or raft because the men simply beat them to it. Some simply didn't have the strength anymore to climb up the massive angle, and fell. I'm not saying they should've gotten help, but when it's everyone for themselves the ladies have no chance.... They will never make it first on a lifeboat or raft because they don't have the strength.
It's really sad to think about how so many people died in the ship because they couldn't get out or simply had no chance with all the people climbing over them. I heard a story of a young girl that died on this ship, supposedly she managed to make it out onto the deck, but there was no help for her and her life vest was supposedly taken from her. She died together with the 800+ others. Imagine how many similar stories happened.
Being trapped in the main lobby area, or in a hall not being able to get out because the stairs are upside down, but also because the power is gone, and you're now in the darkest black environment you've ver seen, all you can hear is the roaring metal of the ship as the engines are of and a deaeing static sound o water sloshing everywhere until you hear people around you start screaming as you hear the water rushing towards you as you're being VIOLENTLY thrown about in the dark, praying they all got KO'd beore the end...
I am genuenly able to feel with those people, i was on a crossing a few years ago from denmark to norway where we were told to hold on to something when we went into port. There was a gale force offshore storm, the crossing took seven hours.
Feel? Wtf you encountered some bad weather. No big deal! These people lost most of the ship. Stop it, don’t make this about yourself. Loser
very in-depth(no pun intended) video, but I didn't have a magnifying glass handy so I didn't catch much of what the text said.....
Absolutely tragic..
I remember it it very well.
My cousin from Jylland lost a friend there.
Many took the train to Stockholm, and then went on foot to the ferry.
That friend there because of some national celebration in Estonia.
Very tragic that something like that happens afterwards
Titanic of the late XX century...
MrRussianMapper not quite
it was worse because the weather was shit and the whole thing went down a lot faster than titanic so they never had time to properly evacuate it was just a panic shitfest, also I know this comment is 1y old
Titanic of the XX Century? What century do you think Titanic sunk at? 19? 18? LOL
@@cyberdaemon I see how you omitted the word late. You would make a good spin doctor.
syaondri They couldnt see the ship bc it had already sunk that time
Just one thing: nobody of the crew looked at the car deck from the monitors. The panel on the bridge said, that the front was closed, and in comparison to other ships like the Estonia, they couldn't see the ship bow from the bridge. So they saw no reason to watch the sequences from the security cameras on the monitors.
The guy that managed to send out the mayday saved a lot of lives.
Tammes from MV Estonia was that guy
His last audio was the location of the ship which he provided to MS Silja Europa I think who were the first responders to the MAYDAY calls
@@sohammhatre yep Silja Europa
@@sohammhatre Did the radio guy survive ?
@@Minimalici0us no, unfortunately. I think no one survived from the command deck.
@@kasimirkiuru3344 :(
I want to see an entire recording of the car deck
My mother's old crush died in that boat with his newly married. I wouldn't want that to happen even to my old crushes. If Titanic was scary enough, they had hours to prepare for survival, but these didn't even have that...
No wonder my mom was so tough hearted. She didn't want to dig in the misery of a thought.
STOP LYING AND BEGGIN FOR INTERNET CRAP STFU
Ronaldo Lilander how do you know it’s not real? It could be a lie, but ALOT of people went on the shi
@@wardoge5969 how do we know lmao name all the type of comments u seen of this
I hope that there's movie made on this like Titanic. But the problem would be how to show the sinking while keeping the movie length long enough. This ship sank really fast, the movie on it would be an hour long at best..
There is a movie made about this dissaster,, it's called "Baltic Storm"
@Felsmak i think they would focus on a lot of things at the start just like titanic aswell
Really? That's what you want? A Hollywood teen flick. Disgraceful.
Someone made a sh*tty movie about the estonia
@@freddyfox5002 i don't try to be rude, there's a movie called Baltic Storm (2003)
A neighbour of mine is one of the survivors
Such a weird thing to watch since modern ships like these seem almost invulnerable to anything because of how big they are.
More like the ships are more protected from these kind of situations
Size has nothing to do safety. Also, RO-RO ferries like the ESTONIA are not your normal ship. There are certain inherent vulnerabilities and dangers with these types of vessels.
@@-moominremix-3280 remember what happened to the unsinkable Titanic…
@@Piankhi_the_Greater the name was just a flex as we can see
@@-moominremix-3280 yes... in times of titanic they believed that technology used on her will make her unsinkable same as nowadays ppl tend to believe that technology is at its best... see ferry sewol, costa concordia,... respect to the crew, they went down with ship not like on costa concordia and sewol they were cowards and rip to the victims
I was as the same sea when this happened but a different ship and I remember I had a hard time sleeping thx to waves it was realy bad weather. But what I remember the most was waking up and prepare to leave the ship I was on and watching the TV monitors during breakfast and they showed swedish tv4 channel all about Estonia and I remember the feeling. The same thing when we drive of the ship and started to se the newspaperstands every single newspaper said the same thing.
Me too. I was sailing in Skagerrak, to Denmark. Terrible weather and could not sleep either.
Baltic Sea, omg
I know some here said that builders weren't at fault, but they alone aren't responsible for the result: they do as they're told. The reports have mentioned a design flaw a few times which the front visor might have been.
The ship had been in service for over thirty years…at this point, MAINTENANCE AND MANAGEMENT are more at fault than design. It was made according to specs…car ferries are inherently dangerous.
@@mamavswild Also, The Estonia was not made for crossing open waters like it did on the Tallin - Stockholm line. It was made to cross between Stockholm and Mariehamn where most of the journey is close to land except for a few hours.
@@swen6390 Good point
@@mamavswild It was built in 1980, so it had been in service for nowhere near thirty years. Also, the yard that manufactured the ship, have themselves said that the bow visor and ramp weren't dimensioned for the kind of weather that's in the Baltic sea
Plus they should make a movie about this ship 🎬🎥🚢
Hunter Richard i would love the idea except for all the truther tinfoil hat theories they’d probably try to drag in. I saw an old old movie Poseidon adventure which had an idea of when you’re capsized how everything becomes hard and deadly. It doesn’t meet the timeframe of this, or the angle. But it makes you realize how that list would create havoc. Hope you’re not going on a cruise soon :)
Hunter Richard they really should! In Estonia is running a tv show “I survived an Estonia accident” and all you see is people crying and being heartbroken and it would really be a great movie!
Movie about Estonia exsist. This is documentaly movie.
It would be a bit short.
There is a film,, the title is " Baltic Storm"
I read that the vast majority of the survivors were in good athletic shape. That’s why they managed to get out. Fat people, injured people, old people etc. didn’t stand a chance.
Weaknes kills...
@@kyrtsi2930 literally in this case
Another reason to take the best care of yourself as possible. Being able to outrun a knife welding maniac, escape a sinking ferry or out run the fat person while being chased by some man eating predator… all depend on being in shape.
Injuries and old age are just hard luck. But being a fat slob is no excuse
@@DonFelixGallardo yup, those reasons inspire me to be in shape lol
8:29 this is such a tragedy
This is the worst disaster that my home country estonia had
1:44 for a moment I thought you'd show that trailer going BOOM 💥. Nice animation
Great video. Wish the text was bigger but still thumbs up. 👍🏼
And if somebody means, the tragedy is the fault of the builders, then you should check out the builder bevor you go onto a cruise Ship, Mayer was and is a good shipbuiding Company.
the ship yard is not to blame and neither the design...
no doubt some one wanted the ship go down...
they just do not sink... they tilt over and stay afloat as long the air is stuck in the hull..
but a hole.. well.. then it is a game changer...
swedish government was involved in monkey business in former east.. and upset a few angry souls... not deliver on their words... and then the ship was sunk... period
It's not the fault of the builders, the real reason why it wen't down was because it was on a route it was not designed for, it would have been fine on short trips like over the gulf of Finland since it was designed for those kind of trips, however it was put on the stockholm-tallinn route, where the storms can get pretty rough. The visor came off as it couldn't handle the storm and it sunk since the water was pouring in through the front
@@torbisoder4768 No, you are crazy. No "governmental felony" behind. What went wrong was that the idiotic captain steered right into the waves at full speed to reduce rolling, and reach Stockholm ASAP. He literally hammered the bows into/onto the waves at full engine power. The captain was very, very irresponsible.
However; there was a stupid thing with Estonia - one could not see the bows (and thereby the missing visor from the bridge, so they didn't know the visor was gone. And there was no cameras directed on the lock mechanism either (which there HAS to be today with such ferries.)
And then the captain made another mistake. A steering mistake. In order to reduce the list, he turned to one side, and thereby did the turning of the ship force the torrents of sea water to one side, namely the side were the list already was, making the list worse. And no way to stop water entering the car deck.
The captain - the captain the captain was to blame. Just like on Titanic, where he gave full power, not caring a lot for icebergs.
Anyways; it is not very smart to have a vessel, where you can't see the bows. And put a not very good captain in charge.
Now. Year 2020.
Everybody knows the answer. The visor is still intact. There's a huge hole in the bottom of Estonia. Four m long and about 1,5m wide...Something hit the ship (submarin?) just before it sank.
I think everybody has seen the new documentary...
The tradegy is just as great.
Where can I find the photo of the survivor sitting on the keel?
Chris Cothran Google Janno Aser m/s estonia
www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/731n62/23_years_ago_today_the_ms_estonia_sank_in_the/
Excellent thanks for the link as I was also wondering about that photo thank you :-)
no probs
Rares Jaguar i think it's water damage
I personally believe the visor broke off, Stayed afloat riding down the staurbord side long enough for the ship to impale itself with it's own visor. Strange and outlandish I know , But that is a possibility of how the huge whole on the side came from.
Then why does the gash on the ship suggest that the hole was punched from a the inside of the ship?
@@johanneswestman935 All of the research I've done shows the aft part of the split suggests a inward force , Not an outward damage.
@@prowannab You haven't done much research then?
th-cam.com/video/zup7OxqMyoo/w-d-xo.html
This has been proven to be impossible as the impact damage required at least 2000 - 4000 tonnes to be able punch into the metal frame of the ship and result in the damage found by Henrik Evertson. The bow visor was only 50 tonnes and could not have caused that hole, which has now been shown in the new investigation to be even 20x larger in length than first discovered.
@@EricBlair-jg2ux I haven't seen the new investigation. But to me If the ship was riding up and down in the storm the force of the ship coming down could cause the 4k metric ton force to break the plating.
2020: a film team has found a crack on the side of Estonia after a dive to explore it. It`s 4 meters high and 1.5 meters wide, but my guess is that was made by the port that broke loose from the front, hitting the side of the ship and making the crack. The crack is vertical, not horisontal. The only explanation I can get from it if it`s not the port, Estonia was struck by a smaller ship on it`s side, not showing on radar which is highly unlikely. Conspiracy people will probably soon start to spread ideas about Russian submarines.
FYI the diver team that found the crack are being prosecuted as the ship was left as a final grave for the passengers and crew who died. The companies behind the dive will probably get a lot of heat for disturbing the grave and for enable conspiracy theories around why the boat sank. My guess is this is just a cynical "spin off" from a production very similar to this one called SCANDINAVIAN STAR, a documentary series that made a big impact on it`s release earlier this year
Atleast get your facts right. Can't be asked to explain everything wrong here but yea, get ur facts right.
Why you can't admit facts? Yes, it was later revealed that ship has been used with smuggling soviet war stuff. Yes, there is lots of conspiracy theories about sinking. Yes, if it was some goddamn swedish submarine, it's crew would be very sorry, and live in guilt rest of their lives. And no, I wasn't even born when this happened. I didn't have any relatives onboard. And if you had, I understand if you are looking for someone that you think is guilty. I would, too. But what if the one that is guilty is already in the Baltic sea? What if it was, after all, faulty bow gate (used translate, sorry), bad weather, untied gargo, and short evacuation time? I'm sorry for your possible loss, but sometimes there's simply nothing to do. And after the incident, all ships were upgraded with better sea rescue stuff, and crews are trained better. Lets just remember the dead ones and honor their memory.
Actually they found two holes,and that could explain how the boat went down so fast.
@@agnegustafsson2019 no, only one. Two separate holes were made by a previous expedition
But the hole suggests damage from inside out, not outside in.
Read "A Sea Story".. it was an article written in the Atlantic in 2004 about this disaster. It's still one of the most harrowing things I've ever read.
Thanks for the recommend! Just read it and it's indeed harrowing. Similar to "The Clock is Ticking" by the same author, about the 2015 sinking of the El Faro. I recommend that one as it too is a harrowing read!
@esMusicalus wow... had no clue there was another one. That guy is a great disaster writer. Thanks for the return recommend!
I think the thing that gets me about "A Sea Story" is how the author stresses that on such a crowded small location it was a terribly lonely way to die because most people were separated from families/friends and due to the disorienting nature of the sinking. It basically became every man for himself trying to escape a fun house like nightmare of physical challenges. It's terrifying.
"Moreover, the cabins themselves were smaller than cells, and though this must have been unimaginable to even the most miserable of their occupants that night, many soon turned into traps and then coffins." GAH!
Very well done, except that many passengers have stated that as they were in the water, they saw Estonia rise with the front pointed toward the sky "like a church steeple", which would indicate the pointy end of the bow; meaning that the front end of the ship must have rose several hundred feet in the air before the whole thing went down.
They're quite the opposite, actually.
It's only 80 m deep where she sank and the ship was about 150 m long. The front couldn't have risen too high without the rear hitting bottom of the sea. Max 45 degrees or so.
@@VisaJironically enough if that had occurred more people could have survived
How would the ramp open when it was held by hydraulics? It shouldn't flip down like that. Also the amount of water entering without the bow visor should be able to be pumped out.
Look closely. 0:55 The ramp, when closed, actually protrudes into the top of the "visor". When the visor was ripped off, the ramp was torn open.
@@EagleOne76 It's a bit hard to get to full grasp of the layout. And it's difficult to comprehend that the ramp didn't serve as a backup. It seems like a terrible design.
Ferry’s like this are very vulnerable to capsizing if water enters the cargo deck. Herald of Free Enterprise had a similar incident in Britain prior to Estonia. The ramp was just a bad design that wasn’t meant to be used in open waters of the Baltic Sea. Several countries including Sweden share responsibility in approving the ships certification
2:33 Why did the waves calm down from around 5m to around 2m right after the visor fell off?
Motors stopped, so the boat halted. So the waves are not smaller, just the impact
They are cheaters. Baltic Sea is not Atlantic Ocean. Swell and waves can not be really big. Moreover the period should be short (small). On the video they are trying to apply long ocean swell to convince us of abnormal waves. But vessels arrived to render assistance were able to stop their engines and propellers and safely drift with sea and winds without excessive rolling and pitching...Sorry, but most probably government conspiracy in this case. R.I.P. all those lost their lives.
Hanna Pavlenko dude Ive been on a boat in Baltic Sea during a storm in winter and the waves get absolutely crazy. The boat was tilting like a mother fucker. Couldn’t walk straight in the hall.
It’s me Here and there Dude I was on another of these big ships in that sea that very night. It was really bad. People were falling when trying to walk (maybe with the help of alcohol but anyway - really high and strong waves).
God saw the error of his ways.
my mates aunt died on here...
One of the reason for estonia's sinking is that it wasn't designed for that route. It originally was Turku-Stockholm rout and was designed for shorter cruises
it was designed for coastal waters. it is about 45 km open water for that rot the ship was constructed
Imagine the panic they had as people rush for the stairs in the narrow hallways :(
I bet that dude was thinking "This is no time to be taking pictures." 😅
The water was only 2 degrees celsius. Even if you got out of the boat, you would have frozen to death.
Many people died because of hypothermia.
It was a ship not a boat.
Note that the time of the Bow visor detaching is believed to be ~01:10 at night. Estonia disappeared from radar at 1:50. Meaning that it stayed afloat for 40 minutes (not even rolling over until the very end) with a gigantic hole at sealevel.
Not even the animator found that believable enough to animate and doesn't show a single wave entering the ship, heading straight into waves as high as the Estonias draught it would've instantly flooded and turned over, much like the MS Herald of Free Enterprise that capsized in 90 seconds.
Survivors from below the car deck testifying about water leaking up from decks beneath them also raises red flags about the whole thing.
What do you suspect? Sabotage or maybe even a torpedo hit?
@@DonFelixGallardo Sabotage, the Russians knew Estonia and Sweden used her to smuggle soviet era tech into the hands of the UK and US.
All I know is there is no way the bow visor came off and ripped the car ramp down as the official story says.
They found one of the arms that are supposed to hold the bow visor to the ship. They tossed it back into the ocean for some reason.
Other vessels simular to Estonia who have capsized without a massive hole in them have stayed afloat upside down for days.
No watertight/splashtight compartments on the car deck at all. Nothing to stop water from moving around. Plus, no way to see from the bridge, is bow is gone. 2 HUGE design mistakes, that make ZERO sense to me
The crew didn't notice the visor fall off because the had a blind spot which meant they could not have the bow fall off
Sorry for the mistakes here's a improved version they had a blind spot (the bridge) so they could not seen the bow fall off.
But why didn’t it float upside down for a long while after capseizing? Has that ever been answered?
It was answered in this already if you paid any attention...the windows eventually broke, so the water could get in to all other decks as well
@@Balnazzardi But that doesn't make any sense since the hull is still filled with an isolated air-pocket. It's not the other decks that make it float.
@@UWfalcin Isolated air pockets are NOT enough to make the ship float upside down/sideways if enough water gets in to all decks...and so it happened here, so ofc it was gonna sink and sink fast.
@Balnazzardi Well that is a big quesiton people ask about the Estonia sinking.. That is what happened to Jan Heweliuz the year before f.e. It laid upside down for a week or similar until it finally sunk.
Edit: it* sunk.
It might have been answered today, or soon at least. It was no accident
I'd have been sitting in a lifeboat the second i heard the first bang. they had 15 mins of big bangs.
Estonia or mariella
Second one to get to life boat was Karl Erik Reintamm
almost every single passenger on board died on this accident, Jesus Christ.
I saw the memorial - strong architecture
My grandma died on there :,c
May she rest in peace, poor soul.
So sorry
Im so lucky to be alive.. im scared to go on cruises since i saw this.. i was 3 years old when i cruised with estonia to sweden.. Thank you God for saving me and my family and not letting this tragedy happen when i was on that boat.. it sank some months or something later.. but its horrifying and im sad for all those lost lifes. this shouldnt happen but it just shows how fragile life and curises are! just a tiny wrong with techincal matter and this can happen in a few minutes.. its crazy.. and so scary. i dont know how ive been able to go on cruises ever since like 5-10 times.. i shouldnt have.. since its so dangarous! this happened even faster than titanic, they didnt even release any life-boats on estonia ? they barely got time. and just like titanic this happened just when everyone went to sleep = less likely they get out safely than if it would´ve been during the day.. awful :(
Wow, you are so pro to survive it with 3 years old!
Raki_HD he just said he was 3 years old when he was on a cruise to sweden on the Estonia. And that the Estonia disaster happened just months after that.. can you fucking read my guy?!
@@HoseTheBeast oh..my bad then!
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@@HoseTheBeast it's hard to understand him, because his english is awful.
Bruh trying to read the captions on this is a fracking nightmare
Could you make the typography any smaller? Seriously you almost need a magnifying glass to read it.
Get your eyes checked?
@@ehtropenelopen5192 you obviously know nothing about design. Similar to the engineer that developed this.
I can see it no problem u have a problem wot
Ah sorry im a bit late over a year. Right did you get your eyes checked?
The front fell off because a wave hit it. Sounds like that one off west Australia...
somebody will get this
Shoudn't the front of the ship sink first if that was where the main source of water came from?
Tell me. how the ares below car deck got water inside it if the boat actually got in water like this.
tell me how it didn't just float aroubd with massive airpockets in the lower decks like all other similar incidents?
There was a massive hole in the boat
Yes exactly!
The video even tells how the water flooded there and you still ask this question... I'd also imagine a huge open bow door will let that air out pretty quickly especially since the ship started to sink by the stern after capsizing. The ship also had many missing safety structures that other ships had that contributed to the fast sinking.
@@jjansgi Where? Where does the video say the how the water flooded under car deck?
First of all. The bow DID break. but not the car port. even if it did and it flooded the car deck. the water would not have gotten any farther down. meaning every level below car deck would be "dry" when the ship turns upside down.
Now. it is impossible for a boat to sink like estonia did by only letting in water through car deck. it needs to have a hole. and OH what's this?
Therr is a hole in the side of Estonia that has been documented since 2000 and now again 2020??
Wich would indicate that Estonia actually sank BECAUSE of this hole on the side reaching from Car deck and below.
So. Again. Tell me hiw Estonia did not just float around for hours/days before it sank to the bottom of the sea if no hole and only water through car deck happened
@@Saii158 Flooded to decks 0/1 (decks below car deck) via ventilation and openings from the car deck. And the hole was known already in 1997 which was determined coming when the ship hit the sea floor. And the car ramp had buckled partly which indicates that the bow doors ramp housing pulled it downwards. Just because you think it's impossible doesn't mean it is. Many things have been thought to be impossible to happen and yet still happened.
@@jjansgi Nonono dude that's not how it works. "through the vents" the lower decks are not built like that. anyway. Yes it was a THEORY that it bent open. but then magicly shut itself when it landed? yea sure.
and the hole was NOT proven from ANYTHING to have appeared when hitting the ground.
The metal had been twined wich indicate some sort of explosion and has metal sticking out of the side.
Furthermore the swedish Government are cpvering up plenty of things making it even more suspect
Carl Eric Reintamm did arrive the promenade deck 1 till 2 minutes after the loud 2 or 3 bangs that happened between ca. kl. 01.02 or 01.05.
According to JAIC the bow visor fell of the ship around kl. 01.16.
So the 2-3 big bangs, water on deck 1, and the following starboard listing did happen ca. 10-15 minutes before the separation of the bow visor!
That is pretty strange, because that means that the sekvens of happenings did indeed start approximum 12-15 minutes before the car ramp could have let all the water inn on the car deck.
That brings the questions on why the water came in on deck 1, and why the ship listed before the ramp fell down and the visor separated from the ship !?
Reintamm did see something in the water that left the ship backwards to the left app. 10 minutes before the separation of the bow visor.
Assuming that Reintamm looked backwards to the left from starboard promenade deck point of view, the thing in the water most likely could have hit the starboard side of the ship before the separation of the visor, and the opening of the ramp.
If Reintamm speaks truth it clearly proves without any shadow of a doubt that the specific time of the the 2-3 loud bangs, the inlet of the water on deck 1, followed by the with 30 degrees starboard listing a few minutes later, that this sekvens of events clearly happened before the separation of the visor and the downfall of the ramp........
What is puzzling to me is, if there was water on deck 1, then why did the ship turn upside down... if there is water on the bottom then there is no reason for the ship to turn like that as the mass is on the bottom. The turning around is only, as far as I can think of, possible if there is air in the bottom which is lighter and messing up the center of gravity which turns the ship around.
@@jurgenkoks9142 That is correct my friend, air on deck 1 and 0 would act as an turning buoyancy when the list becomes large enough.
Estonias way of sinking suggest water inlet on deck 0 and 1 because she laid stabil and sank to fast.....
The visor was banging against the bow for a time before it got completely torn off
No its MS
Thai Communist MV is the same thing as MS, MS means Motor Ship and MV means Motor Vessel
How is it possible for ship like this to sink in 1 hour, where did the air go thats in in two floors below cargodeck. I think its first time in history a ship been sinking this quick of water coming in without a hole
But there was a hole, a pretty big one.
the boat has several blast holes from the inside. the book visor was blown away. since then it has emerged that the boat was followed by a Swedish and Russian submarine
It’s a ferry with a open cargo deck. That type of design is very susceptible to listing and capsizing from flooding. A similar tragedy happened with Herald of Free Enterprise which capsized shortly after its cargo deck was flooded. The rough weather and high waves likely increased flooding of the vessel to cause it to sink rapidly.
@@thedesertrat_9514 The Herald of Free Enterprise sinking was completely different to the Estonia, the Herald capsized immediately, the Estonia listed gradually more and more over the space of 50 minutes. The Herald side hit a sandbank and therefore didn't go turtle, if it had it would have stayed afloat (upside down) for many hours due to the trapped air in the hull. The Estonia didn't do this either.
Now an explanation for the huge holes in the side of the wreck, and one for why Sweden doesn't want anybody taking a closer look at the wreck, and then I would be satisfied.
Hull of ship bents, rips and get crushed when on end of the ship crash against sea bottom before other end. Hull of ship is not desing to endure laying in agle against solid surface
2:38 Reason for stop watching her is the car ramp was never open until
several years later it was found standing against the ship side
that boat must have gone pretty darn fast to outpace a 64000kg dropping massive steelobject!
That was my thinking too, 15 knots according to report.
Which is 27.78km/h, 27,78 meters per second, and the damage to the hull was found about 2/3rds down the length of the ship?
Yeah, I'm calling bull too.
Perhaps the bow hit the fender after falling off? And the fender should be located! and both fender and the bow, be examined. I feel like air crash investigators are better then the boat investigators.
Rumor has it, the Atlantic lock was found, but dumped back in to the ocean. Hope it's not true.
nope, not possible for it to penetrate the hull
@@gullfeber if it hits the fender. The fender could bend up a hole where its attached. Create a crack in the wields.
Estonia went go down in 45 minutes without having breach in the hull and in Titanic it took close to 3 hours with a 90 meter breach in hull 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
it did have a breach in the hull
Inaccurate. No holes in the bottom in this.
Hey everyone, start ask questions about this! The official story is not true u will find answers as u seek, love to you all
How did you now About the new hole in the ship a week ago?
@@asaromsonarenpajas8199 Folk har varit skeptiska till utredning ända från början, troligtvis är allt mörklagt och någonting stämmer inte. Nu när dom hittat hålet hoppas vi på att sanningen äntligen kommer fram
morran M Jo så äre ju. Men inte med den här regeringen... ändå sjukt att han lyckas kommentera detta 1v innan ny upptäckten
This is the 3rd Estonia video. One video suggests they collided with a submarine because of a 4m hole in the side
The big hole under the waterline is discovered recently by diving,.
That hole is definitely not big enough to explain a submarine collision. Modern subs from the 90s are larger than 4 meters. A Finnish expert in maritime engineering believes it came from the bow visor hooks which would connect to the locking mechanism. It helps explain why some surviving passengers reported a grinding sound off the side of the ferry before it listed. The hole was likely covered by the seabed which is why it wasn’t reported initially. Even the crew from the documentary said the hull must have shifted over the years
Cars be vibin' though.
There were probably a lot of people alive in air pockets when they hit the seabed. Who knows maybe for hours. Or worse, for days?
Well I'm never sleeping in a boat ever again
Si cette tragédie s'était réellement passée comme expliqué ici...les autorités auraient renfloué le navire. Émettre une interdiction sur cette épave est inhabituelle.
So it was completely upside down when it sank?!
Yep
SIR. REDBOAT F***!!
No
No - on its starboard side.
@@footyfan1248 no theres literally a photo
HOW TF CAN THE ENTIRE BOW JUST BREAK OFF????!?!
Kay Stephan bad building😅
@@julianneh.wathne yup... and it was 14 years old
Well its hinged so it can be lifted up to let cargo and vehicles onboard. Who knows, maybe neglect, mishandling, faulty maintanance, maybe someone pressed the wrong button, maybe a lorry came loose and rammed into it in a bad way, some even suggest it was black ops weapon delivery that somehow got sabotaged or blew up.
@@viktoreimar1240 yes
Kay Stephan It was a visor, a bow door that opens up and it came off because of the big waves banging to it and breaking the hinges.
“ MV Estonia safety at sea “
How Ironic, well at least they tried there best at saving everybody.
They didn't. a the russians offered a service to extract possibly living people traped inside the boat in air pockets but the people in charge said no
@@Saii158 russians couldn’t even save their own from the Kursk, the team that went to the wreck a couple months after were English and other internationals
@@tommyg6573 I know. there was a norwegan company that brought it up
@@tommyg6573 But that don't change the fact that russians offered to help extract bodies.
Even in war we always get the bodies home.but npt this time. for some reason they did not want to
I cant see the words but the moveable bow. Why would you do that?
It was moveable so vehicles like cars and trucks could easily be put on the ship when it was on port. But I agree, the moveable bow was a design choice that ultimately caused the deaths of so many people.
@@adrichiii839 the moveable bow is one point for insult that I dont belong in. When it's open it looked like a military vessel. I know that robust construction can manipulate age old tricks. In other videos some have what appears to be a large impact hole in the side at the waterline in others the hole isnt there. One account says that hole was made by a collision which blew the bow open but the ramp stayed shut so I think it was more like a landing craft on steroids with ferocity of opponents...
But what is the real reason of ship damage? Cant see some one who is talking about this.
Nothing can cause a damage like this, only underwater mountain , but in Baltic sea is nothing like this. How could this even happen ??
the bow visor was too weak to withstand the powerful waves caused by the bad weather, which is why it broke off and let water in. the flooding was what caused the ship to tilt.
(vet inte om du är svensk, men med andra ord: bogvisirets gångjärn och låsanordningar var för svaga för att klara av kraften av vågorna i det dåliga vädret, vilket är varför visiret ramlade av och släppte in vatten i skeppet. de stora strömmarna av vatten fick skeppet att luta, varpå vatten kunde tränga in genom flera ställen.)
@@ezra6898 yes, but what about holes in ship carcass ? This waves cannot do
@@edvinberg2403 Those might have been caused by plunderers and looters, who wanted to get their hands on the rumored Soviet tech aboard the vessel. The wreck is located in the international waters and is very vulnerable to such activities.
@@georgedash8293 nope, the hole was speculated to be at the exact position it was discovered at - decades before the discovery. The hole occurred moments before the sinking of estonia, confirming the reason as to why water was coming from below the car deck
Rip to all who died, also it M/S not M/V
M/V is commonly used in English for this type of vessel
Varför hittade dykarna inget hål?
Hur menar du? Jutta och Håkan har sett det 2m stora hålet som inte borde finnas på färjan.
@@Vivungisport På den sista bilden i videon ser man hur båten ligger. Men haverikommissionen hade inget hål i sina beräkningar, vid själva förlisningen. Hålet måste ha varit synligt!
Håkan hade hittat ett annat hål vid bogen. Jag pratar om hålet på styrbord sida.
@@Vivungisport Jo men tänk på att officiellt finns inga hål och lastrampen är öppen
det är vad Sveriges regering har bestämt åt oss
Båten borde lyftas upp på land och alla kroppar bärgas
Here we go again.... I hate this explosion and Submarine thing.. STUPID THEORIZING WON'T BRING THEM BACK
@@Vicky87_o.O_ The official story is wrong. We are just exploring other possibilities.
The front fell off.
Do you mean visor
Very thorough presentation. Great job! 👍
Did they find the front?
They found the front so called visor and it was raised
1 mile before the sinking spot
Yeah I saw a photo
I saw it in live in the small town of Hanko / Hango in Finland! I was there with the swedish military 1 year after and we didnt see all of it, it was covered by plastic! Now its not existing anymore! Still very sad thing what has happend!
@@Timodon1 It is in Sweden now as a memory
It doesn't really sink fast because youtubers do it to not waste time
It's strange that the crew on the bridge didn't noticed the bow fell of, a sailor know's his ship, and they must have lost controle fast.
Rip Estonia
In which second is the explosion ?
I still suspect a Swedish submarine, since the Swedish regime hiding slot.
its an old video
Honestly, that theory doesn’t hold up as much as the other conspiracies out there. If a submarine has collided with a ferry, then there would be a lost submarine too. Good luck trying to cover that up. Either way, ferry’s like this are vulnerable to rapid sinking if water enters the cargo deck. If the Swedes are trying to cover up anything, its probably their involvement with approving the ships license to sail in the Baltic Sea. Better to downplay responsibility
@@thedesertrat_9514 If submarine collided with ship it would be cut in half or lost some of its parts and sunk nearby.
MS Estonia was bigger than destroyer "Statny" that collided with USSR submarine in 1956, wich made submarine sank.
And all that happened because submarine commander was replacing someone else and really had no experience with that type of submarines and even when destroyer tryed to maneuver it still didnt help.
I cant understand why people think that some underwater "dildo" can hit a big ship and just swim further without any damages? Some idiots even claim that it was Russian submarine which is even more absurd, why would Sweden&Britain&Finland try to cover up Russia? Like seriously, man? hahaah
Especially when Sweden wanted to put concrete over ms Estonia remains, even when there are still bodies there and ship is like 75metres under the water, which is not really that deep.
I won't believe this sinking theory, and there is many more who agree with me
This is not what happened! The boat was sunk by bombs below the waterline on the right side. The ramp was still up but not completely closed. The visir was hangning. The divers found unexploded english bombs on the ramp and somewhere else.
English bombs?
@@kalhilton9703 Yes that is wat they say
the monster ferry I will never arrive with.
Alive pasengers.
The Estonia sinkking in 1994
Navios de desembarque de tropa não tem este intempéries 🧐
They should rename the ship to posideon than Estonia because it sunk upside down for a couple of minutes
No because it looks like it sunk upsidedown like posideon
@@hunterrichard2369 So you actually don't understand how disrespectful that would be
This aged like milk. But if this particular investigation showed the ship hit the mud with the roof first and the waterline never impacted the bottom at all, one could conclude that no rock could have punched that 4m hole in the side. Hopefully the new findings will make some heads roll.
Did they recover all the bodies from the Estonia.
No, they recovered only 93 of the 852 that died that night.
TheEnzoMarten Dag! Homeboy, surely some truly spooky shit to think on and about.
Well at the Great White Throne seat of Judgement, the sea and that ferry gotta give up their 'bounty', also when The Lambs Book of Life is opened, the Baltic and ALL other bodies of water(s) will have to do the same.
So it may be their place now, but only for but a moment...........✝🕊
BIBI✡🇮🇱
THE DONALD ✝🇺🇸
PERFECT TOGETHER 🇮🇱🇺🇸🕊
TheEnzoMarten wow :(
@ you mean serious about and concerning what the HOLY BOOK OF THE BIBLE, says to teach, educate, inspire Faith, and desire Salvation from therein.
That fully beautiful Book that the GREAT I AM, YAHWEH GOD inspired mankind, Men who knew the Lord, Loved my SAVIOUR, and actually touched HIM, Who knows no time.
Who is the First, the Last, the worthy perfect LAMB OF GOD, Who was slain before the foundation of the Earth. Who us, who was , and will always be.
You fully and completely and utterly ignorant, Spiritually dead individual. You mean that glorious Holy Book??!!! !!!!
@@richiepetranico9852 You can call it what you wish to but it's little more than a collection of ramblings based on earlier stories which were based on stories even earlier than those ones, which were politically contrived and put together as well as pulled apart and where much can be found elsewhere but in different translations indicating different meanings. It's not "fully beautiful", much of it is very nasty indeed. The 'first and last' as you term it' is completely unknown to any human being and not one signle one of us knows any truth on it whatsoever. To believe so is to lie to yourself and that's fine but don't lie to me. It is not I who is ignorant and spiritually dead, but you. You with all your faith and all because you're too pathetic and stupid to have ever investigated the religious cult you think you belong to and are too scared to admit it to yourself or genuinely aren't aware. It is not i, my dear christian who is ignorant or spiritually dead but you.
Odd, I remember a similar video but worse quality and older
Estoniafyndet - Sveriges största mötesplats om Estoniakatastrofen.
I always wondered why cruise ships don't ever sink to the bottom of the ocean
iiTraineeLaw They have modern and better technology, and they dont have bow visors / bow doors
MobileGamer12 yea its only ferrys that have Doors/visors
@@steffe8103 The visor was not the cause of sinking
kert tamme and I made that comment 7 months ago
@@steffe8103 And i knew that visor was not the case and there was a hole 2 years ago.
RIP
2:40 ramp is pulled down and 7:12 people climbing on upright ramp...
Because it is naturally on hinges and the ship has tipped over
7:52 just asking but does anyone have a picture from that scene with the survivor's camera taking a photo of the sinking ship?
The photo is shown in Henrik Evertson's documentary 'Estonia' on discovery. I think in episode 2 or 3.