Do not punish or torment yourself Jan! You did absolutely your best and no one can ask any more than that. World should be thankfull for you and the other ships for being there and so close enough to be able to help. Without your ship 40 more priceless lives would have perished. Even a single life would be worth it all. Thank you for being there and doing your best that night. I'm a Finn living in Turku, I do not know anyone who was on Estonia, but I still feel very thankfull for what you and everyone else did in their rescue. Life is precious.
You see it in his eyes, his facial expression he’s sitting there trying not to cry. His moment of pause every second or so, he’s holding back tears. He even feels guilt. That poor guy did what he could.
04:48 "Dom é i sjön" ("They're in the sea"). That tone of voice... the full realisation has just hit... that they are the first responders to a terrifying disaster. Chilling...
I have worked in SAR for many years and you always ask yourself if you could have done more or could have done it differently. This captain did the absolute maximum he could do. All the ships worked together perfectly, there is nothing they should be ashamed about. In fact, all of the ships and people involved need to be recognized. Through their cooperation 138 persons were picked up from the water in extreme conditions. An incredible performance and true show of expert seamanship.
It's estimated that 650 passengers never even reached the outer decks. Once the list exceeded 30 degrees, large rooms, transverse corridors and stairways became death traps with no escape. There were maybe 300 passengers who managed to climb out (mostly the fast, strong and sober and all lucky), only half of which boarded the life-rafts or lifeboats. Given the conditions (6-meter-high waves in the dead of night) it's amazing these ships rescued anyone.
@@Cheeszybawlsnot to forget most cruise passangers are not fit to use ladders like pilots and seamen are. And one can not open doors downstairs in a storm. There are lights enough to cut the darkness.
actually nearly all that were saved were picked up by helicopters, at least one incredibly skillful Finnish Coast Guard helicopter even landed directly on the other ferries, including Mariella. Imagine landing at night on a ship in a Force 9 gale. Respect to all who went to the rescue.
@@johnrasmussen4507 Are you one of the survivors? He saved 40 people, how many have you saved? It almost sound, like you think he killed a 100 to save 40.
@@olle12 No. All the ships together saved 37 people. He is actually lying in this interview. He knows very well how many lives his ship saved and how many lives were saved in total.
Of the 989 on board, 138 were rescued alive, one of whom died later in hospital. Ships rescued 34 and helicopters 104; the ferries played a much smaller part than the planners had intended because it was too dangerous to launch their man-overboard (MOB) boats or lifeboats. The accident claimed 852 lives. This is why it haunts him, not that he didn't do anything but he couldn't do enough.
What really is also worth pointing out is how the vast majority there never even made it outside the ship in the first place. No matter anyones actions, had the evacuation plans on the boat been better, and perfect response of helicopters on scene immediately, there would have still been an extremely large death toll. With the front of a boat just ripping off like that there really isn't much anyone can do once it's happened.
Do you relize that the ship went down so fast there was no time for that, people were escaping but the ship had such a masive list that it was impossible.
0:55 When a big passenger ship calls mayday, then you know something is happening. I remember I just put on a pair of trousers. I didn’t even put on shoes or even a shirt - I still had my pyjama shirt on. I just ran straight up to the bridge and thought that something was wrong.
People have a lot of nerve telling a man who saved as many souls as he did that he should have done things differently!! He is honorable and deserves respect for the risk he took to save lives.
5:08 There were horrible scenes - we were right in the middle of all these people who flew alongside the boat. They blew away with the wind. I remember there were life rafts that were inflatable that the wind caught a hold of and they came rolling like a football on the water. And some were upside down and a person was lying on top on the bottom. It was completely full of debris and people and a tremendous noise with people panicking and screaming. They sent up flares and lit torches - it was like fireworks. Then I came to realise that the only possibility for us was to take our own life rafts that were on the cranes and send them down and let the people try to get on board. And then we could lift them up.
1:46 We could see that they had light - we knew they at least had electricity, because we could see their lights. And then, when we were halfway there, we could see the lights started blinking. I was confounded, and thought ”What’s going on?”. Blinking a little bit. Suddenly the lights went off and it was completely dark.
I sailed on Estonia back in the day when the ship was called "Wasa King". It went from Vaasa in Finland to Umeå in Sweden. Great old ferry really. Lots of fun times.
My first ever ferry trip was on "Viking Sally", as she was called in '86. I remember it was an amazing vessel, of course being 7 years old then. But the thing I remember the best, are the corridors, terribly narrow and the stairs steep, no wonder that so few people made it out alive.
@@TheJ4yroll I remember that yes. She was built in 1980 as cruise ship between the archipelago i believe. She was never meant for high seas to begin with.
0:17 The pictures are still in my head. I think about it when I get reminded. People quite often ask me about certain things - some of the people onboard know that I was there, so they will ask a little sometimes.
4:38 We are very close now, there are lots of lights that seem to be life bouys. And lights around here, maybe life boats. They are in the sea. Mayday all boats near Estonia. Mariella has seen lots of lights...
@@johnrasmussen4507Mariella took up 40… 15 of them may have been alive but the boats took care of many dead people as well who got out but didn’t survive
When this interview was made, it was 14 years ago since the disaster, and now, it's almost 14 years ago this interview was made, and when we listen to this interview, we listen to a disaster that we feel happened a long time ago, not realizing, we are listening to him with an almost exact time difference between when this interview was made and when the disaster took place.
His ferry actually could only rescue 34 of the passengers. Helicopters, taking terrible risks plucking people out of the sea and then landing them on other ships, got over a 100 but that was it.
That is the interesting part of this. It never should have went down that fast from that cause. According to witnesses the sound was a blow, explosion or sound that could not have been caused by the waves. The sound was extremely loud. There are holes that point outwards from the hull of the ship that was caused by explosion (study done on that case). They said that water came into the car deck which made the ship capsize, even turning the ship around onto top and then the ship sunk like a stone. But there are three more floors underneath the car deck filled with air. That is the reason why the ship is swimming in the first place. when the ship capsizes and topples over, this air stays locked inside and the ship keeps swimming on the surface for hours, sometimes even days.Look (Jan hewelius). Only when the air slowly escapes this trap it will sink. In the case of Estonia many witnesses reported that the ship moved up with her bow one last time before sinking where until today shes on the same position in the bottom of the sea. That means that the water must have entered into ship underneath from a hole through which the ship filled with water and the same time pressed the air up and out. That is the only way ship can sink like a stone. So there is some thinking for you. And there is more things that are not adding up.
It was sunk. No person with any form of engineer background believe the official story but they also aren't dumb enough to talk about it anymore as that only equals ridicule and revoked degree etc. The skippers involved in the rescue, even Törnroos, drop small red pills for people to pick up when they talk about how surprised they were when the ship actually disappeared in that short amount of time. They know the official story is impossible as well but again they only stand to lose from talking about it. Too many high ranking swedes would be embarrassed/imprisoned if the truth came out before they're all dead.
@@GokartSebban Heh if it's on dplay I suspect they knew what they were going to prove before they went down. And if they actually went down without permission (which they'll never get) there would be pretty hefty prison sentences for everyone involved. There's already been "illegal" dives made by a German team led by Jutta Rabe, which brought back pieces from the hole in the bottom which in turn showed signs of an explosion. Jutta was later fired from the MSM outlet she was working on, the findings were disregarded by the two largest agencies dedicated to the task (surprise) and the whole thing was swept under the rug. If Scandinavians are involved I'm not really that interested to begin with. Whatever they claim to have found will have some sort of hidden agenda for sure.
@@Aeneiden Bullshit, the Swedish coast guard boarded them and warned them and even disturbed them when they were diving. The footage is available on YT.
3:08 But then I remember I told my colleague on Silja Europa that we were getting close to where they should be. So I told him I would slow down a bit, because by then I had realised that she had to have sunk, but I thought she had to be floating in the waters without electricity, and I was afraid we were going to collide with her. So I reduced speed and continuously informed him about the situation, and that we couldnt see anything.
4:58 The water around us was completely full of people who were shouting and screaming - completely full of people. Then I had to do an emergency stop, because I was scared to death they would get caught in the propellers.
2:48 So I told the navigating officer to start up the old radar, because at least I know that one works. He started the old one, but there still was no Estonia on there. We saw every other boat, but not Estonia. My thoughts started spinning and I thought ”What on Earth is going on?”
How you could sit at a desk and question The choices made my The People that were there during this horrible event is beyond my understanding. They did what they could during those circumstances and it is basically impossible to be better prepaired for this extreme situation. I think asking yourself If more could have been saved is a waste if time. And pointing fingers and looking for People to blame is very low behaviour. All were touched by what happend that Day. But The dead are dead. Accept it.
Everyone did what they could. The people on the bridge of the Estonia itself gave their lives just to send radio coordinates while the ship was listed 90s degrees. People put blame on everything wrong so little in what was done right and what was sacrificed to save those who lived.
@@mikaelholmberg6966 o hur i helvete kan du anklaga dom som var på plats. Du sitter där bakom din skärm i värmen o relaxar , anklagar dom som var på plats för något dom aldrig varit med om. Något dom aldrig blivit tränade för. VAd är det för fel på såna människor?
Listening to the radio communications they had that they with the calmness, decisiveness and coordination they led large ships into an area of a sinking ship where they weren't even sure of the location and managed to save 40+ people is a heroic and impressive feat! They are all heroes just like everyone else involved in the rescue effort. Anyone saying otherwise is a tool and should just be quiet.
Wise words indeed tamousha. A blame culture suppresses the truth and prevents the learning of valuable lessons. Application of the lessons so hard learned from this tragedy are the most fitting and lasting memorial to those who lost their lives that I can imagine.
best respect to the captain. he did best work at the scene. i admire him for his proffesionality in a situation absolutli craizy for him. got to admire him for the comunication to all the other wessels, he was calm and oriented. Well done Jan. You the best ;-)
2:14 We were confused and started looking for them on the radar. ”What the heck, they dont show up on the radar anymore. Whats going on now?” We didnt understand anything. The lights went off, and then they disappeared from the radar. I mean, a boat just cant disappear. They cant disappear from the face of the Earth. We didnt quite understand. We had new radars, just a few weeks old. Two new that we had on, and one old left. I thought, it has to be these new damn radars starting to fuss with us, how typical.
3:46 And then, all of a sudden - I think we went 6-7 knots, because we were very close. I remember that afterwards I would describe it as a christmas tree laying in the water, with all the lights you would have in a christmas tree that more or less revealed themselves. There were rain showers that came in between, the visibility was poor, but when the visibilty was better we could see that the water was completely full with little lights. And then it clicked. Then I understood that the lights came from life vests and life rafts and life boats and I knew it was a fact that we had a catastrophy. It was clear what had happened.
7:37 I thought about our rescuing efforts that we did just about.... of course, I have thought a thousand times afterwards, could we have done something better to save more people, or... But until this day I feel that we did the right judgements. We didnt take to great risks, and we saved to ones we could. I am sure there are people afterwards who have said why didnt you do this or that, why did you do that, and so on. But naturally, anyone sittning behind a desk trying to analyze the situation, will make other assessments that someone in reality who is standing in waves up to 10-15 meters high, rain, poor visibility, people drowning in the water... So, of course there is a difference on how to judge the situation, than the one sitting behind a desk.
6:45 We continued until 10 oclock the next morning. When it became lighter we went around looking, but... we saw life rafts that had dead people in them, and people who had bound themselves to the rafts and just floated behind. Only the life vest held the bodies up. A lot of people floating in life vests. At 10 we continued our journey to Stockholm. We had been up working all night.
1:18 The first thing I asked was ”Where is Estonia?”. He said ”There.” and pointed to the left. And then I asked ”Who is that?”. He said ”Thats Silja Europa.”.
Mariella and his captain were the real heroes in this disaster. I am not well known by maritime basic's but Europa(bigger ship as Mariella) couldn't put their lifeboats down "as the weather is so hard"-as the captain said. But Mariella did put their lifeboats down to those who could been saved.
People who haven't sailed or studied maritime SAR can't fully grasp how difficult it is to rescue a man overboard. Even moderate waves make it very difficult, and there is so little time in cold weather. Being on-scene and watching people die is nightmare fuel for any sailor.
Today, Sept 28 is the release date of a new documentary on the catastrophe, in which a footage of a gaping hole to the starboard side - beneath the ships waterline - is shown. This would incicate a completely different scenarios than what the official story would have you believe. It heavily indicates that a large external object hit the side of the ship. Maybe we will soon know
Jan -Thore made some very tough decisions that night. Many people on he's vessel who couldn't understand the risks asked him to do more. That's tough decisions to make against peoples nature. Some people can get violent and trying stupid things on their own. Remember Mariella at that time hadn't armed guards or anything. So i believe Jan Thore was brilliant in the situation. At some point he managed to calm people and gain trust in what they did.
@@johnrasmussen4507 No. Were you there? If you were, you should have noticed that the weather were so hard so if they put in their own liferafts it would be hard to getting them back to the ship then. Listen to Jan-Thore when he says that he saw liferafts blow in the wind like a football...thats explain the rough conditions very good. Plus in that hard weather there must also be a spare of lifeboats and rafts so they can rescue the people on their own ship if they got in need.
@@matsj6530 How is they putting down their life rafts putting their own ship in danger? You do realize that a bunch of other ships and helicopters were coming to the area too?
The ship started taking water in too fast and the crew had no chance to start evacuating people. It only took minutes for to ship to list to 30-40 degrees and there was no way for the crew to gain control over the ship. Because of this bad listing the water did not just come in from the front of the ship but also from the side windows making the ship to list even faster. People inside the ship had really little time to get out of the ship because when the bad listing started the corridors went to a 1,2 m high dungeons with extremely dangerous places where you have to somehow jump over the open cabin doors. And if you fell through the cabin door then you were pretty much stuck inside that ship. And also if you managed to get to the last point before getting to the last deck you had to pull yourself out...a lot of people didint have the strenght and fell back inside the ship.
@@elefteriosmouratidis What I ment was that the ship started listing heavily so fast. I didn´t say that at 30 or 40 degrees water started bursting in through the windows. It took only minutues until the ship had already turned to it´s side.
0:35 Captain Jan-Tore was first at the scene when Estonia sank in the autumn of 1994. We have a problem here right now. We are lying on the right side. We have a 20-30 degrees list. Could you come to help us and also ask Viking line for help?
Meillä on nyt tässä ongelma, on paha kallistuma oikealle puolelle, uskon että oli pari kolmekymmentä astetta. Voisitko sä tulla apuun ja pyytää myös Viking Linen apuun?
The people he rescued went on. They started families, loved, experienced sunsets, had jobs. They lived in their communities. It isn't the number. It is the effort of someone who is tormented but is seen as a hero. He doesn't feel that way. I also want to say the same of everyone involved in the rescue. Including his crew. They did everything that was humanly possible. They faced one of the most difficult tasks ever experienced in maritime tragedies, not to compare. But MS Estonia faced a situation that was simply beyond comprehension. There was nothing they could do beyond what they did. We must consider that in trauma of the mind, we replay it over and over seeking perfection. That is the torment. He wants to bring back the 852 lost, but it wasn't possible. But he can't really feel that, even if he knows it. That is part of PTSD. Many people would not be here if it wasn't for him. He is a man of honor and he let life go on for many. And they are grateful
@@thelema3278 De har nog båda info om detta. Bildt var dock inblandad i Estonia innan katastrofen då hans kontakter hjälpte Estland att införskaffa fartyget.
@@magnuslarsson5242 Han var inblandad som politisk kontakt med Estland och kände de svenska delägarna. Han hjälpte till att få affären till stånd i ett utvecklingssamarbete med det då väldigt fattiga Estland som inte hade så bra ordning på torpet efter sovjets fall.
I just have this thought in my head: MS Estonia was a pretty modern ship and all but why it didn't have like security/protection to emergencies like these? I suspect the first sector that flooded on that ship was car deck, didn't it had like emergency shut doors which you close and stop water from being transfer further?
As far as I know, Estonia was not designed to be sailed across the Baltic where it sunk. The visor that fell off simply couldn't endure the choppy and violent waves of those waters. It was also made with low quality welding so the locks of the visor broke off. For whatever reason, when this happened, the alarms didn't go off. A technical issue. Additionally, the captain from the bridge could not physically see the front of the ship due to the design of the superstructure. The problem was, the car deck wasn't compartmentalised. If only 10cm of water filled the floor then that's enough for the ship to list to the point where it will sink inevitably. And when the visor fell off, as it wasn't built to endure these water conditions, there was no going back. I also can't believe how the most vulnerable part of the ship, the visor, was so unprotected. Did not a single alarm go off? I get that it wasn't designed to be used in those waters but if that's the case, WHY did the decide to sail in dangerous waters? Did they really have that much faith in their dubious engineering? The whole situation was a fuck up with catastrophic loss of life as a result.
Nemez it did have watertight doors, but everything happened so quickly, and no one on the bridge knew what was going on. The ship capsized which meant that water entered the top decks before the bottom decks, which is why it stayed afloat for a while when it was capsized
@@theoddone887 You're right. She was ordered by Vikingline specifically for the route Stockholm-Mariehamn-Åbo which has only a passage of max 2 hours at open sea between Kapellskär and Mariehamn. She was designed for less wave height for shorter time durations than open-sea designed vessels which have stronger safety and design protocols. Estonia should never have been classed or allowed for her new route which was 90% open sea for 12 hours.
so idk if youve heard about the recent findings or not, but it turns out she has at least 2 gigantic holes below the waterline on the starboard side, the official narrative that the visor came off and therefore sank the ship in minutes is a coverup of whatever really happened, its impossible for a ship like that to sink in minutes by taking on water through the bow like that. if it had been the visor she wouldve gone belly up and stayed afloat for hours and hours, even days
They saved one third of all survivors. I would rather question why the helicopters took so many hours. The condition was bad ofcourse but Sweden had really good militaryhelicopters at that time.
Captain Esa Mäkinen led the rescue operations from the board of Silja Eurooppa. Not Jan- Erik Törnroos, MS Mariella. Also Estonia's Mayday was first received in Silja Eurooppa.
Because 1.st mate Teijo Seppelin on "Silja Europa" received the Mayday call from Estonia, Captain Esa Mäkelä became On Scene Commander (OCS) including coordinating the rescue work with the SAR Helicopters from Sweden, Finland, Estonia and Denmark with Maritime Rescue Coordination Centre in Turku, Finland.
He was the first commander to reach the place where Estonia sank but it was Esa Mäkela on Silja Europa who became on scene commander coordinating the rescue as he was the most experienced of them…. But all of the ships worked incredibly well together
Är det här klippet taget från den där realityserien som gick på Kanal 5 för ett bra många år sen? Med han Thailand-snubben som var bartender? Kommer ihåg kaptenen därifrån och att han pratat om Estonia i det programmet.
Ja de är lite svårt att veta, men ett fåtal kroppar flöt säkert upp redan dränkta och andra kom inte på en flotte utan bara hade väst, sen så dog ju folk i flottarna också av kylan. Men vad jag skulle tro så är det nog inte mer än 200 som låg vid ytan.
@@AlfaGiuliaQV självklart, men först o främst är han ju ansvarig för alla på SIN båt. Men det är sant. Ingen har sagt hur alla turister upplevde detta.
Whilst understanding this Is a sensitive Issue even after all these years due to the Massive loss of life, I have come across numerous Information regarding possible evidence of "Explosives" Via American & British experts & samples taken from the sunken vessel. Could anyone offer Information regarding this matter & as to the possible reasoning, motive of such an event being orchestrated & carried out. Please note If this Is just conjecture I do not wish to offend.
Not sure how much information there is in english about the disaster but there is no new evidence other than what has already been gathered. I guess you know about the theory of it having been a military operation to stop this route that was used to smuggle some Soviet military equipment after the Cold War ended. The big question is how did a ferry boat like this sunk when according to mariitime experts and scientific studies it shouldn't have? That's because the decks below the car deck should have been sealed and when water flooded the car deck a ferry like this should have only lost it's balance and in worst case turned upside down but not sink - unless there became a hole below car deck too.
@@SunsetRider1337 I will start by thanking you regards your reply to my comment, This event Is something new to me & was unaware of the reasoning behind a possible or alleged bombing & subsequent sinking of the vessel, The motive & reasoning for such an event seems It's sad to say more than plausible given the nefarious action's of Governments & Intelligence Service's Nationwide & Worldwide & there blatant disregard for human life. Again thanks for the reply, hope you have a goodnight.
Watch The New photos of The Hole on starboard side. The photographers were taken to court. The Bow Ramp was and still are Shut. The visire hydraulics are care fully dismantled. Its located today at a military Naval Base. Muskö.
Do not punish or torment yourself Jan! You did absolutely your best and no one can ask any more than that. World should be thankfull for you and the other ships for being there and so close enough to be able to help. Without your ship 40 more priceless lives would have perished. Even a single life would be worth it all.
Thank you for being there and doing your best that night. I'm a Finn living in Turku, I do not know anyone who was on Estonia, but I still feel very thankfull for what you and everyone else did in their rescue.
Life is precious.
You see it in his eyes, his facial expression he’s sitting there trying not to cry. His moment of pause every second or so, he’s holding back tears. He even feels guilt. That poor guy did what he could.
Ship Master Yeah I was depressed even seeing it
more man than schettino
skylineXpert So true.
@ F**k you idiot! He saved lives while you spread bullshit.
40 saved of a 1000 screaming souls in the water. Yeah he really had his hands full that night.
Väldigt sympatisk person den där Jan och ingen skugga faller över dig!
04:48 "Dom é i sjön" ("They're in the sea").
That tone of voice... the full realisation has just hit... that they are the first responders to a terrifying disaster. Chilling...
very terrifying indeed
I have worked in SAR for many years and you always ask yourself if you could have done more or could have done it differently. This captain did the absolute maximum he could do. All the ships worked together perfectly, there is nothing they should be ashamed about. In fact, all of the ships and people involved need to be recognized.
Through their cooperation 138 persons were picked up from the water in extreme conditions.
An incredible performance and true show of expert seamanship.
It's estimated that 650 passengers never even reached the outer decks. Once the list exceeded 30 degrees, large rooms, transverse corridors and stairways became death traps with no escape. There were maybe 300 passengers who managed to climb out (mostly the fast, strong and sober and all lucky), only half of which boarded the life-rafts or lifeboats. Given the conditions (6-meter-high waves in the dead of night) it's amazing these ships rescued anyone.
Many passengers that night were so drunk that they did not even understand what was happening.
It’s an achievement that the passenger ships even managed to rescue some passengers. They’re not equipped to do that in the middle of a storm.
Exactly.
And at nigth
@@Cheeszybawlsnot to forget most cruise passangers are not fit to use ladders like pilots and seamen are. And one can not open doors downstairs in a storm. There are lights enough to cut the darkness.
actually nearly all that were saved were picked up by helicopters, at least one incredibly skillful Finnish Coast Guard helicopter even landed directly on the other ferries, including Mariella. Imagine landing at night on a ship in a Force 9 gale. Respect to all who went to the rescue.
”How many people did you pick up?”
“I think it was 40”
My heart dropped. But you did the best. All respect to you and the crew.
The calm Jan-Thore is showing doing this event is really impressive. He'll always be my hero.
Well done Jan-Tore, thanks you for your great job saving those lives!
He could have saved many more, but he's not the worst. Several ships didn't rescue anyone.!!
@@johnrasmussen4507 Are you one of the survivors? He saved 40 people, how many have you saved? It almost sound, like you think he killed a 100 to save 40.
@@olle12 No. All the ships together saved 37 people. He is actually lying in this interview. He knows very well how many lives his ship saved and how many lives were saved in total.
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Täck snälla Jan ❤❤ Du är en skön person. Jag fick äran att träffa dig med min farbror, För några år sedan. Du är skön ❤
Of the 989 on board, 138 were rescued alive, one of whom died later in hospital. Ships rescued 34 and helicopters 104; the ferries played a much smaller part than the planners had intended because it was too dangerous to launch their man-overboard (MOB) boats or lifeboats. The accident claimed 852 lives.
This is why it haunts him, not that he didn't do anything but he couldn't do enough.
Yeah i understand what you mean, and i belive thats exactly what he's thinking when he thinks about it!
@@SwedenShipAB alla dina båtar på kanalen är finska😀
What really is also worth pointing out is how the vast majority there never even made it outside the ship in the first place. No matter anyones actions, had the evacuation plans on the boat been better, and perfect response of helicopters on scene immediately, there would have still been an extremely large death toll. With the front of a boat just ripping off like that there really isn't much anyone can do once it's happened.
Do you relize that the ship went down so fast there was no time for that, people were escaping but the ship had such a masive list that it was impossible.
What a brave man, wel documentated.
A coward man
0:55 When a big passenger ship calls mayday, then you know something is happening. I remember I just put on a pair of trousers. I didn’t even put on shoes or even a shirt - I still had my pyjama shirt on. I just ran straight up to the bridge and thought that something was wrong.
You were on the Estonia?
@@rudigerosas7350 he knows Swedish and just translates what the captain said in the interview obviously
People have a lot of nerve telling a man who saved as many souls as he did that he should have done things differently!! He is honorable and deserves respect for the risk he took to save lives.
5:08 There were horrible scenes - we were right in the middle of all these people who flew alongside the boat. They blew away with the wind. I remember there were life rafts that were inflatable that the wind caught a hold of and they came rolling like a football on the water. And some were upside down and a person was lying on top on the bottom. It was completely full of debris and people and a tremendous noise with people panicking and screaming. They sent up flares and lit torches - it was like fireworks. Then I came to realise that the only possibility for us was to take our own life rafts that were on the cranes and send them down and let the people try to get on board. And then we could lift them up.
Wow, what a hero this man and his crew were that night, they did all they could.
1:46 We could see that they had light - we knew they at least had electricity, because we could see their lights. And then, when we were halfway there, we could see the lights started blinking. I was confounded, and thought ”What’s going on?”. Blinking a little bit. Suddenly the lights went off and it was completely dark.
I sailed on Estonia back in the day when the ship was called "Wasa King". It went from Vaasa in Finland to Umeå in Sweden. Great old ferry really. Lots of fun times.
My first ever ferry trip was on "Viking Sally", as she was called in '86. I remember it was an amazing vessel, of course being 7 years old then. But the thing I remember the best, are the corridors, terribly narrow and the stairs steep, no wonder that so few people made it out alive.
@@TheJ4yroll I remember that yes. She was built in 1980 as cruise ship between the archipelago i believe. She was never meant for high seas to begin with.
@@TheJ4yroll Very true- stairways on Ferries are always steep compared to houses on land, and the corridors where cabins are are long and maze like.
I would greatly value subtitles for this piece but the Gentleman's great dignity speaks volumes about his character.
I turned on closed captions and it gave English subtitles
I am not going to ask myself why I didn’t think of that. 🤦. I don’t want to realise that I am a technical ignoramus!
🤣🤣
0:17 The pictures are still in my head. I think about it when I get reminded. People quite often ask me about certain things - some of the people onboard know that I was there, so they will ask a little sometimes.
4:38 We are very close now, there are lots of lights that seem to be life bouys. And lights around here, maybe life boats.
They are in the sea. Mayday all boats near Estonia. Mariella has seen lots of lights...
Tack för ditt otroliga jobb
Captain Jan-Tore, you saved 30% of all those who survived, you did more than enough.
No. He saved 15.
@@johnrasmussen4507Mariella took up 40… 15 of them may have been alive but the boats took care of many dead people as well who got out but didn’t survive
@@rickardnyberg4899 the ships saved 37 in total, so I dont know where you get the number 40 from
When this interview was made, it was 14 years ago since the disaster, and now, it's almost 14 years ago this interview was made, and when we listen to this interview, we listen to a disaster that we feel happened a long time ago, not realizing, we are listening to him with an almost exact time difference between when this interview was made and when the disaster took place.
His ferry actually could only rescue 34 of the passengers. Helicopters, taking terrible risks plucking people out of the sea and then landing them on other ships, got over a 100 but that was it.
Its terrifying how fast it went down.
That is the interesting part of this. It never should have went down that fast from that cause.
According to witnesses the sound was a blow, explosion or sound that could not have been caused by the waves. The sound was extremely loud.
There are holes that point outwards from the hull of the ship that was caused by explosion (study done on that case).
They said that water came into the car deck which made the ship capsize, even turning the ship around onto top and then the ship sunk like a stone.
But there are three more floors underneath the car deck filled with air. That is the reason why the ship is swimming in the first place.
when the ship capsizes and topples over, this air stays locked inside and the ship keeps swimming on the surface for hours, sometimes even days.Look (Jan hewelius).
Only when the air slowly escapes this trap it will sink. In the case of Estonia many witnesses reported that the ship moved up with her bow one last time before sinking where until today shes on the same position in the bottom of the sea. That means that the water must have entered into ship underneath from a hole through which the ship filled with water and the same time pressed the air up and out. That is the only way ship can sink like a stone.
So there is some thinking for you. And there is more things that are not adding up.
It was sunk. No person with any form of engineer background believe the official story but they also aren't dumb enough to talk about it anymore as that only equals ridicule and revoked degree etc. The skippers involved in the rescue, even Törnroos, drop small red pills for people to pick up when they talk about how surprised they were when the ship actually disappeared in that short amount of time. They know the official story is impossible as well but again they only stand to lose from talking about it. Too many high ranking swedes would be embarrassed/imprisoned if the truth came out before they're all dead.
@@GokartSebban Heh if it's on dplay I suspect they knew what they were going to prove before they went down. And if they actually went down without permission (which they'll never get) there would be pretty hefty prison sentences for everyone involved. There's already been "illegal" dives made by a German team led by Jutta Rabe, which brought back pieces from the hole in the bottom which in turn showed signs of an explosion. Jutta was later fired from the MSM outlet she was working on, the findings were disregarded by the two largest agencies dedicated to the task (surprise) and the whole thing was swept under the rug. If Scandinavians are involved I'm not really that interested to begin with. Whatever they claim to have found will have some sort of hidden agenda for sure.
@@Gonken88 it wasn't illegal when jutta Rabe went down. The prohibition came later
@@Aeneiden Bullshit, the Swedish coast guard boarded them and warned them and even disturbed them when they were diving. The footage is available on YT.
Peace be with all involved
3:08 But then I remember I told my colleague on Silja Europa that we were getting close to where they should be. So I told him I would slow down a bit, because by then I had realised that she had to have sunk, but I thought she had to be floating in the waters without electricity, and I was afraid we were going to collide with her. So I reduced speed and continuously informed him about the situation, and that we couldnt see anything.
ChristineF1234 ok calm down
@@whyismaltehere why?
elefterios mouratidis she had wrote too many comments on one video y’know.
@@whyismaltehere let her translate, i find it very helpful. hater..,
rfyaaful How the fuck am i a hater, and and yes, i said the f word.
4:58 The water around us was completely full of people who were shouting and screaming - completely full of people. Then I had to do an emergency stop, because I was scared to death they would get caught in the propellers.
2:48 So I told the navigating officer to start up the old radar, because at least I know that one works. He started the old one, but there still was no Estonia on there. We saw every other boat, but not Estonia. My thoughts started spinning and I thought ”What on Earth is going on?”
How you could sit at a desk and question The choices made my The People that were there during this horrible event is beyond my understanding. They did what they could during those circumstances and it is basically impossible to be better prepaired for this extreme situation. I think asking yourself If more could have been saved is a waste if time. And pointing fingers and looking for People to blame is very low behaviour. All were touched by what happend that Day. But The dead are dead. Accept it.
tamousha Yeah i hear what say and i agree witt it, hard to imagine the feeling being in the middle of this disaster.
Everyone did what they could. The people on the bridge of the Estonia itself gave their lives just to send radio coordinates while the ship was listed 90s degrees. People put blame on everything wrong so little in what was done right and what was sacrificed to save those who lived.
@@mikaelholmberg6966 o hur i helvete kan du anklaga dom som var på plats. Du sitter där bakom din skärm i värmen o relaxar , anklagar dom som var på plats för något dom aldrig varit med om. Något dom aldrig blivit tränade för. VAd är det för fel på såna människor?
Listening to the radio communications they had that they with the calmness, decisiveness and coordination they led large ships into an area of a sinking ship where they weren't even sure of the location and managed to save 40+ people is a heroic and impressive feat! They are all heroes just like everyone else involved in the rescue effort. Anyone saying otherwise is a tool and should just be quiet.
Wise words indeed tamousha. A blame culture suppresses the truth and prevents the learning of valuable lessons. Application of the lessons so hard learned from this tragedy are the most fitting and lasting memorial to those who lost their lives that I can imagine.
A true hero.
best respect to the captain. he did best work at the scene. i admire him for his proffesionality in a situation absolutli craizy for him. got to admire him for the comunication to all the other wessels, he was calm and oriented. Well done Jan. You the best ;-)
2:14 We were confused and started looking for them on the radar. ”What the heck, they dont show up on the radar anymore. Whats going on now?” We didnt understand anything. The lights went off, and then they disappeared from the radar. I mean, a boat just cant disappear. They cant disappear from the face of the Earth. We didnt quite understand. We had new radars, just a few weeks old. Two new that we had on, and one old left. I thought, it has to be these new damn radars starting to fuss with us, how typical.
3:46 And then, all of a sudden - I think we went 6-7 knots, because we were very close. I remember that afterwards I would describe it as a christmas tree laying in the water, with all the lights you would have in a christmas tree that more or less revealed themselves. There were rain showers that came in between, the visibility was poor, but when the visibilty was better we could see that the water was completely full with little lights. And then it clicked. Then I understood that the lights came from life vests and life rafts and life boats and I knew it was a fact that we had a catastrophy. It was clear what had happened.
Great jod you have done !! You are a great Captain !
Conditions were terrible, and he did the best he could, without further risking members of his crew.
Tycker inte Jan-Tore ska tvivla på ,om du gjorde rätt du försökte göra allt du kunde för att rädda liv eran besättning gjorde det som, ni tränat på.
30 år sen idag R.I.P 🕊️
Fy fan. Kommer ihåg. Var på väg till Stockholm när vi hörde på radion att Estonia förliste och att det fanns nära 1000 personer ombord.
7:37 I thought about our rescuing efforts that we did just about.... of course, I have thought a thousand times afterwards, could we have done something better to save more people, or... But until this day I feel that we did the right judgements. We didnt take to great risks, and we saved to ones we could. I am sure there are people afterwards who have said why didnt you do this or that, why did you do that, and so on. But naturally, anyone sittning behind a desk trying to analyze the situation, will make other assessments that someone in reality who is standing in waves up to 10-15 meters high, rain, poor visibility, people drowning in the water... So, of course there is a difference on how to judge the situation, than the one sitting behind a desk.
Thank you for the translation
6:45 We continued until 10 oclock the next morning. When it became lighter we went around looking, but... we saw life rafts that had dead people in them, and people who had bound themselves to the rafts and just floated behind. Only the life vest held the bodies up. A lot of people floating in life vests. At 10 we continued our journey to Stockholm. We had been up working all night.
So Sade! Love! R.I.P. Love from south Sweden
Hope also!! The microfone on Mariellas radio!! : Be ok now days! Love!
0:12
It looks really bad here right now.
If i could ever save 1 life that would be great. But 40.. WOW..
1:18 The first thing I asked was ”Where is Estonia?”. He said ”There.” and pointed to the left. And then I asked ”Who is that?”. He said ”Thats Silja Europa.”.
True hero.
8:52 How many did you rescue?
I think it was 40.
@Max Strömberg 39-40 same shit . Dom räddade personer som dom egentligen inte kunde.
Mariella and his captain were the real heroes in this disaster. I am not well known by maritime basic's but Europa(bigger ship as Mariella) couldn't put their lifeboats down "as the weather is so hard"-as the captain said. But Mariella did put their lifeboats down to those who could been saved.
Somehow it sounds that Avo Piht (captain) trusted Viking Line more making this mayday call...
People who haven't sailed or studied maritime SAR can't fully grasp how difficult it is to rescue a man overboard. Even moderate waves make it very difficult, and there is so little time in cold weather. Being on-scene and watching people die is nightmare fuel for any sailor.
Today, Sept 28 is the release date of a new documentary on the catastrophe, in which a footage of a gaping hole to the starboard side - beneath the ships waterline - is shown. This would incicate a completely different scenarios than what the official story would have you believe.
It heavily indicates that a large external object hit the side of the ship.
Maybe we will soon know
vad heter dokumentären och var släpptes den ?
@@LINEHED estonia-fyndet som förändrar allt .
www.dplay.se/program/estonia-fyndet-som-andrar-allt
can you rip it off and upload on the Pirate Bay? Tack
@@l0kaltpsykf4ll34 tack så mycket!
@@LINEHED absolut
Jan -Thore made some very tough decisions that night. Many people on he's vessel who couldn't understand the risks asked him to do more. That's tough decisions to make against peoples nature. Some people can get violent and trying stupid things on their own. Remember Mariella at that time hadn't armed guards or anything. So i believe Jan Thore was brilliant in the situation. At some point he managed to calm people and gain trust in what they did.
I disagree. He could at least have put out all his lifeboats and liferafts in the sea, and let people in the cold sea use them.
@@johnrasmussen4507 No he saved 40 people, he didn't kill anyone. Were you there? No, I was there, so stfu.
What are you babbling about?
@@johnrasmussen4507 No. Were you there? If you were, you should have noticed that the weather were so hard so if they put in their own liferafts it would be hard to getting them back to the ship then. Listen to Jan-Thore when he says that he saw liferafts blow in the wind like a football...thats explain the rough conditions very good. Plus in that hard weather there must also be a spare of lifeboats and rafts so they can rescue the people on their own ship if they got in need.
@@matsj6530 How is they putting down their life rafts putting their own ship in danger? You do realize that a bunch of other ships and helicopters were coming to the area too?
Ni gjorde vad ni kunde❤
The ship started taking water in too fast and the crew had no chance to start evacuating people. It only took minutes for to ship to list to 30-40 degrees and there was no way for the crew to gain control over the ship. Because of this bad listing the water did not just come in from the front of the ship but also from the side windows making the ship to list even faster. People inside the ship had really little time to get out of the ship because when the bad listing started the corridors went to a 1,2 m high dungeons with extremely dangerous places where you have to somehow jump over the open cabin doors. And if you fell through the cabin door then you were pretty much stuck inside that ship. And also if you managed to get to the last point before getting to the last deck you had to pull yourself out...a lot of people didint have the strenght and fell back inside the ship.
at 30 degrees list u dont take in water.....
@@elefteriosmouratidis What I ment was that the ship started listing heavily so fast. I didn´t say that at 30 or 40 degrees water started bursting in through the windows. It took only minutues until the ship had already turned to it´s side.
0:35 Captain Jan-Tore was first at the scene when Estonia sank in the autumn of 1994.
We have a problem here right now. We are lying on the right side. We have a 20-30 degrees list. Could you come to help us and also ask Viking line for help?
Meillä on nyt tässä ongelma, on paha kallistuma oikealle puolelle, uskon että oli pari kolmekymmentä astetta. Voisitko sä tulla apuun ja pyytää myös Viking Linen apuun?
The people he rescued went on. They started families, loved, experienced sunsets, had jobs. They lived in their communities. It isn't the number. It is the effort of someone who is tormented but is seen as a hero. He doesn't feel that way. I also want to say the same of everyone involved in the rescue. Including his crew. They did everything that was humanly possible. They faced one of the most difficult tasks ever experienced in maritime tragedies, not to compare. But MS Estonia faced a situation that was simply beyond comprehension. There was nothing they could do beyond what they did. We must consider that in trauma of the mind, we replay it over and over seeking perfection. That is the torment. He wants to bring back the 852 lost, but it wasn't possible. But he can't really feel that, even if he knows it. That is part of PTSD. Many people would not be here if it wasn't for him. He is a man of honor and he let life go on for many. And they are grateful
Fantastisk person!
Man borde fråga Carl Bildt vad som hände!
Han kommer aldrig erkänna eller så kommer han skylla på sossarna
Snarare fotnyllet ingvar carlsson......
@@thelema3278 De har nog båda info om detta. Bildt var dock inblandad i Estonia innan katastrofen då hans kontakter hjälpte Estland att införskaffa fartyget.
@@karlandersson4350 Haha skitsnack.Nordström och Thulin köpte båten av Wasa Line.Har inget med Calle B att göra.
@@magnuslarsson5242 Han var inblandad som politisk kontakt med Estland och kände de svenska delägarna. Han hjälpte till att få affären till stånd i ett utvecklingssamarbete med det då väldigt fattiga Estland som inte hade så bra ordning på torpet efter sovjets fall.
Heroes
Big thanks also to the helicopters and surface rescuers
What horrible background noise! Why?
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1:31
We should have about 9 Miles to Estonia. We have turned and are on our way there.
Alright, we will follow.
ChristineF1234 half of the comments on this video are from you
Thank you! I wanted to help with the translation.
thank you for translating appreciate it
Hjälte. Tack!
I just have this thought in my head: MS Estonia was a pretty modern ship and all but why it didn't have like security/protection to emergencies like these? I suspect the first sector that flooded on that ship was car deck, didn't it had like emergency shut doors which you close and stop water from being transfer further?
As far as I know, Estonia was not designed to be sailed across the Baltic where it sunk. The visor that fell off simply couldn't endure the choppy and violent waves of those waters. It was also made with low quality welding so the locks of the visor broke off. For whatever reason, when this happened, the alarms didn't go off. A technical issue. Additionally, the captain from the bridge could not physically see the front of the ship due to the design of the superstructure. The problem was, the car deck wasn't compartmentalised. If only 10cm of water filled the floor then that's enough for the ship to list to the point where it will sink inevitably. And when the visor fell off, as it wasn't built to endure these water conditions, there was no going back.
I also can't believe how the most vulnerable part of the ship, the visor, was so unprotected. Did not a single alarm go off? I get that it wasn't designed to be used in those waters but if that's the case, WHY did the decide to sail in dangerous waters? Did they really have that much faith in their dubious engineering?
The whole situation was a fuck up with catastrophic loss of life as a result.
Nemez it did have watertight doors, but everything happened so quickly, and no one on the bridge knew what was going on. The ship capsized which meant that water entered the top decks before the bottom decks, which is why it stayed afloat for a while when it was capsized
@@theoddone887 You're right. She was ordered by Vikingline specifically for the route Stockholm-Mariehamn-Åbo which has only a passage of max 2 hours at open sea between Kapellskär and Mariehamn. She was designed for less wave height for shorter time durations than open-sea designed vessels which have stronger safety and design protocols. Estonia should never have been classed or allowed for her new route which was 90% open sea for 12 hours.
Yeah whay a bad luck ship she was. I read there was also some murder when the ships was still Viking Sally.
so idk if youve heard about the recent findings or not, but it turns out she has at least 2 gigantic holes below the waterline on the starboard side, the official narrative that the visor came off and therefore sank the ship in minutes is a coverup of whatever really happened, its impossible for a ship like that to sink in minutes by taking on water through the bow like that.
if it had been the visor she wouldve gone belly up and stayed afloat for hours and hours, even days
Du har gjort rätt
They saved one third of all survivors. I would rather question why the helicopters took so many hours. The condition was bad ofcourse but Sweden had really good militaryhelicopters at that time.
85% died
Most of the passengers and crew probably never got away from the Estonia when it went down.
Tack för att du förstörde denna video med ett högt bakgrundsljud
Vidarebefordrar anmälan till kanal 5
Stolle.
He was the commander on the spot, the man that took that now infamous and tragic radio call. He did the best he could under the worst circumstances.
Captain Esa Mäkinen led the rescue operations from the board of Silja Eurooppa. Not Jan- Erik Törnroos, MS Mariella. Also Estonia's Mayday was first received in Silja Eurooppa.
@@chiasanzes9770 Silja Europa
Because 1.st mate Teijo Seppelin on "Silja Europa" received the Mayday call from Estonia, Captain Esa Mäkelä became On Scene Commander (OCS) including coordinating the rescue work with the SAR Helicopters from Sweden, Finland, Estonia and Denmark with Maritime Rescue Coordination Centre in Turku, Finland.
He was the first commander to reach the place where Estonia sank but it was Esa Mäkela on Silja Europa who became on scene commander coordinating the rescue as he was the most experienced of them…. But all of the ships worked incredibly well together
Vila i MS Estonia och alla omkomna på MS Estonia katastrofen och det var 852människor väldigt tragiskt och sorgligt.
Jan-tore en bekant från lappo nice!
So where does the translation come in ??? Didn't understand squat.
Its a feature on the right side of the task bar thats flashing up when moving over the video.
Where can i find this with eng subs?
Depends om the device you’re using. But in the lower part of the video there should be a menu Which controls over the subtitles.
How many souls Died in The The Rubber boats and were not rescued by the helicopters?
Many many.
Vilken dokumentär är denna intervjun ifrån? (Skulle vilja se hela denna isåfall)
Det är ett urklipp från TV-serien färjan där Jan-Tore intervjuas. Kommer ej ihåg avsnittet.
"Färjan", season 1, episode 8. Finns på dplay.se
Can anyone add english or spanish subtitles?
Yes sorry, i'm working on English translation now!
@@SwedenShipAB Thanks! I´ll be waiting!
As I can deduct, he was the captain of MARIELLA at that time, Right?
TOLERANCIA ZERO RADIO Yes he was, i belive he is on Viking Cinderella now and his son is captain onboard Viking Grace.
Ive posted translations in the comments
0:01 what is that bang sound effect or something?
Timotz official Thats the radio noise when you start sending the sound from your vhf radio.
@@SwedenShipAB no the blang
Timotz official Well i believe that it’s only the music that starts.
@@SwedenShipAB no i mean the metallic sound or what is it. Scroll to 0:00 to hear it
Timotz official Yeah i think i hear what you mean but i have No idea of what it is :/.
Är det här klippet taget från den där realityserien som gick på Kanal 5 för ett bra många år sen? Med han Thailand-snubben som var bartender? Kommer ihåg kaptenen därifrån och att han pratat om Estonia i det programmet.
Ja, det är från "Färjan". Jan-Tore gick ju vidare efter Mariella och blev befälhavare på Cinderella.
Var Jon-Tore captian på viking line mariella
familjen Asplund-Savic Jo det stämmer.
Vad heter låten i backrunden
Where should English subtitles I can't understand
Next to the cog wheel button in the lower right.
Jag älskar VIKING MARIELLA❤❤💖👍👍
Have anyone seen Avo Piht?
Wondering that too. Maybe's he's dead by now
Deep state
thats hard dude . He died.
@@elefteriosmouratidis alright alright
@@elefteriosmouratidis Where have you gotten that info from?
H u r många låg egentligen i vattnet, bortom de som gick ned med fartyget?
Ja de är lite svårt att veta, men ett fåtal kroppar flöt säkert upp redan dränkta och andra kom inte på en flotte utan bara hade väst, sen så dog ju folk i flottarna också av kylan. Men vad jag skulle tro så är det nog inte mer än 200 som låg vid ytan.
300 har jag hört
Song name 8 53
De e så jävla hämskt, visste aldrig alla detaljer förän idag:(
Hur reagerade turisterna på båten?
Vad tror du?
@@AlfaGiuliaQV Kaptenen pratade inte om vad folk gjorde.
@@Norpan506 Tror han hade lite annat att tänka på, eller vad tror du?
@@AlfaGiuliaQV självklart, men först o främst är han ju ansvarig för alla på SIN båt. Men det är sant. Ingen har sagt hur alla turister upplevde detta.
0:56 Tonnin seteli
Tråkigt med katastråfen men spännande att höra😀
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Wy does it take so long time to solve ? Investigate ! ? WYYY
Talven jälkeen saatiin paketti pellot...
Laukes hälytyskellot.!!??
nice
Nice
Whilst understanding this Is a sensitive Issue even after all these years due to the Massive loss of life, I have come across numerous Information regarding possible evidence of "Explosives" Via American & British experts & samples taken from the sunken vessel.
Could anyone offer Information regarding this matter & as to the possible reasoning, motive of such an event being orchestrated & carried out. Please note If this Is just conjecture I do not wish to offend.
Not sure how much information there is in english about the disaster but there is no new evidence other than what has already been gathered. I guess you know about the theory of it having been a military operation to stop this route that was used to smuggle some Soviet military equipment after the Cold War ended. The big question is how did a ferry boat like this sunk when according to mariitime experts and scientific studies it shouldn't have? That's because the decks below the car deck should have been sealed and when water flooded the car deck a ferry like this should have only lost it's balance and in worst case turned upside down but not sink - unless there became a hole below car deck too.
@@SunsetRider1337 I will start by thanking you regards your reply to my comment,
This event Is something new to me & was unaware of the reasoning behind a possible or alleged bombing & subsequent sinking of the vessel, The motive & reasoning for such an event seems It's sad to say more than plausible given the nefarious action's of Governments & Intelligence Service's Nationwide & Worldwide & there blatant disregard for human life.
Again thanks for the reply, hope you have a goodnight.
This is not the US or a Nicholas cage movie, keep walkin' fella...
@@AlfaGiuliaQV what a "Wingnut"
Watch The New photos of The Hole on starboard side. The photographers were taken to court.
The Bow Ramp was and still are Shut. The visire hydraulics are care fully dismantled. Its located today at a military Naval Base. Muskö.
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It is the time when all truth will surface and if some people are responsible for this catastrophe they will be held accountable for their actions.
Bra jobbat