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Full version is on the podcast with much more info. Love it! Can always use more scientific information to make us better hunters!
Which podcast would be? I'd love to check it out.
For those interested in the full podcast you can check it out by clicking this link. Thanks for watching and listening!
thehuntingpublic.podbean.com/e/proof-that-no-buck-is-nocturnal-wbronson-strickland-and-steve-demarais-of-mississippi-state-university/
@@TheHuntingPublic great info
I’m a MSU engineering student I didn’t know we had a deer lab
I’ve been hunting over 30 years.
I’ve developed some very successful habits.
First is I act like a buck when other hunters are in an area.
I get the hell away from them and go up and deep.
Also I scan a ridge and a valley and many times if I have a ladder or a climber or natural blind I will run to my spot in hopes of attracting noise for curious deer to come see what I am.
In many cases they come running thinking I’m another deer .
They’re very social creatures and to their detriment I capitalize on that.
I’ve studied deer body language regarding their social skills.
It’s hard to sneak up an a bedded buck because he’s not asleep he’s alert always.
But I’ve gotten close by moving super slow and quiet.
I usually don’t walk/stalk unless the leaves are wet and quiet.
When they’re noisy I’ll try to come in as quiet as possible but I would start a run to a ladder in hopes of attracting curious deer.
It worked for me many times.
I also pay attention to noises and activities of other animals, birds and even bugs because they will alert you to large creatures moving in the woods.
Also I’ve noticed something that I would love for wildlife biologists to study and that is the fact that when I’m hunting when the mosquitos are still active it never fails that when I’m straining to listen and pinpoint a noise of a possible deer I always always get a mosquito buzz my freaking ear hole.
I think our body puts off a certain hormone or something that attracts mosquitos when we try to increase our sense of hearing.
Call me nuts but it’s just one observation I have.
I’ve taken many notes from conditions and observations of my hunts for years and think when I’m dead and gone my grandchildren will have some very interesting material to read….especially if they hunt.
The thing that really pisses me off as a hunter is baiting deer with corn.
They made it legal in north Ga and now everyone does it.
It’s really hard as a hunter that hunts many private properties to get deer to leave the neighboring feeders.
I just refuse to hunt over bait and it just cheapens the idea of actually hunting when you’re shooting fish in a barrel.
I hunt in North Texas private and public, bow only. I've noticed the bucks never come to my feeders, only doe do.
Spend enough time in the woods listening & learning instead of expecting, & you learn quick how to follow them, not pressure, & eventually become more aware, respectful, & acknowledging of wildlife..you'll be surprised that you can become "normal" presence..but this takes TIME & being a clearly known, non conflictive presence..deer survive by curiosity & dossier of routine, any change from it is PRESSURE. KNOWN FACTORS & ACTORS are reassuring. I "soft stalk", pass, turn to acknowledge the animal I passed..then move away slowly .. making it not worthwhile for deer to run..if they DON'T have to move, they feel more secure in not drawing their own attention. Bedded deer usually don't get up as other deer pass..act more like a deer or another attentive, non conflictive animal, they will not expose themselves & waste energy unnecessarily. It's a build up process, but gold when you discover their ways & individual routines.
When you see wild deer every time you go out, & know who's where & what's going on..& can soft contact as routine..you have it made..
Best thing I ever did for education was follow deer..
They should put a gps collar on Zach and track his tortuosity.
This was hilarious.
Haha
I don’t think the graph can go that high
Rolling😂
Hilarious
I really appreciate how you guys go the extra mile to educate the viewers on each video instead of just showing quick kills with little info like most other channels
Good info
I hunt northern WI which entails national forest public land. The feds didn't like to cut mature stands of forest. In 2019 we had straight line winds that took out thousands of acres in Oconto and Langlade county. Now that they have had to cut to clean up the destruction zone deer numbers are finally increasing and the amount of forage the deer have has increased substantially. Thanks for the info and love these kind of videos.
Thrilled to hear this talk. I am a biologist working to restore bobwhite habitat in South Carolina. The response of deer to habitats managed for wild quail is positive and unmistakable. Screening cover created by diverse herbaceous plant community offers (literally) tons of high quality forage during the growing season and bedding cover year around. That herbaceous plant community depends on sunlight and fire, as you guys pointed out.
Just seen a wild covey here in Florence SC yesterday.
“Most people can’t stalk a buck...” Zach just stares off and tries not to smile!
I had the same reaction or observation rather. Notice that he said “most”. It’s definitely an skill set that has to be worked on, even though some are more natural.
I think alot of that has to do with the universal attitude of instant gratification instead of people not having the ability. Work ethic, patience and persistence are found in fewer people everyday. To develop those skills you need all three.
I read an article in Field & Stream around the year 2000, it was called “the man who touches deer” I was a very interesting read
Killed 2 of my 4 biggest stalk hunting other 2 from stands ..north east missouri can't beat it quality bucks
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This is a cool episode. In my opinion, good habitat management is diversity on the landscape. Having a thick bedding are, an edge, open woods, etc is great
It’s amazing how big bucks live in my area in northwest pa. I think the swamp and thicket has a big part in helping them survive. Just so much hunting pressure tree stands everywhere but they still make it
Where ya from garrett Im from a small town in wester pa and there are defin some big bucks around us.
Deer Dr.’s Demarais & Strickland were awesome guests to have on! They shared some valuable deer movement Intell thanks to Arron and Zach’s Q’s. Along with nocturnal buck movements, we’d be really interested in hearing about telemetry studies on buck movements during the rut, weather fronts, extreme wind, and average distance traveled between bedding and feeding areas, if studies exist. Thanks THP for making us students of our passion. And Zach, your quad and calf muscles explain your monkey abilities climbing up and down hills with ease!💪🏼🦌👍
Deer University Podcast is these MSU fellas; good stuff but not super active.
As someone new to animal habitat management, their life cycles, feeding, bedding and hunting strategies, etc. And as a new property owner (it's not much, 25ac in central MO), this has been one of the most enlightening videos I've seen! And now I'm filled with ideas on how I can better develop my land so the deer, turkey and other animals have a quality living experience when on my property.
Thank you!
I loved the MSU deer lab TH-cam videos on deer bedding. Very informative especially for Southern hunters. Their videos don't have many views though. Not sure why
My father told me when I was 7-8……hunt fields and open woods to kill does and young bucks. If you want to kill a mature buck hunt where you hunt rabbits. I’ve killed an untold number of mature bucks in my 60+ years of hunting. Thanks Dad for your wise advise.
And where do you hunt rabbits? Asking for a friend
@@bombzdeep4475 I don't anymore......just sold the family farm....sorry
@@patspangler2351that’s awesome tho man. I just got back into hunting this year, hunting archery only. And I want to learn it all, I started mid November, hunting mainly public land and one private farm. Only seen 8 doe, shot at one but missed. Bow was shooting to the left about 6 inches and got it fixed now I’m middle bullseye and of course I’m not seeing any 😂
@@Toneytwotimes Good luck.....stay after it
@@Toneytwotimes same here just started hunting again
Thanks for all the great information and for educating us on these in depth deer hunting studies! I find these topics super interesting and valuable and I appreciate you guys putting out great content year round! Keep up the great work boys, by far the best channel on the tube!
I tried to this morning, and couldn't do it. I bumped him in the thick on the other side of my food plot.
It was raining with about an inch of snow on the ground. I gave it about 1/2 hr, then followed till he hit a crazy thick hell hole that there was no way I could get through subtly. I've got his zone at least, gonna go back in a few days.
....but after listening to this, he may be gone. This is my own 80 acre wood lot which from their example is "high pressure".
This is fantastic! We hunt a ton of very remote public land in northern MN and are fortunate that the pressure is low- so the deer are not super skittish.
mineral blocks will change deer movements.
Excellent video. I have been hunting on public land for over 40 years. I incorporate the hunting pressure toy advantage through many techniques.
I can also say that I have taken deer in some weird places.
One that comes to mind is an industrial park. It was a circular wooded area in the middle of a paved circle. It was across from a hunting plantation in SC. The bucks were in there heavy. I went in on a hunch that paid off.
Bill and Ted’s Interview with “Deer Socrates.”
😂😂😂
As a retired Deer Biologist from La, I know Steve DeMarris personally to be a TOP Research Biologist from Mississippi State University and regard him as a Deer Hunters Friend! Steve is the "Real Deal"!
Suggestion: bring pruning shears into every hunt. Snip branches off early season at 3 to 5 ft height. The fresh growth is way more appealing to deer.
I'm from Michigan, a hunter per 75 acres is low pressure around here. I've seen 5 guys on 30 acres of private, 15-20 hunters on 200-500 acres of state land
Probably one of the most informative videos dealing with pressured deer I have ever seen/heard. Good job guys. I got new property this year have a couple pics of a stud and I did not get to access property until Late September and it's thick. Trying to go in sparingly to see where to set up with out pushing him off the property. Good stuff.
Ty THP I’ve been a long listener to these guys, good to see someone as popular as you guys getting with these ppl. 👍👍👍
Thank you for making this type of content. There is always plenty to be learned. I strive to learn something every time I get to hunt and if possible every trip into the field or forest.
“Most hunters can’t stalk a buck” as he’s sitting across from a true deer stalking legend in the making
good video boys. this is my first season teaching myself how to hunt.. all off you tube videos like this, reading, and boots on the ground.
I'd love to see more content like this from you guys . Hunting videos are cool but I'd rather learn
I love the conversation about cover& food terrain..
& leaf/twig browse..deer eat forbs PRIMARILY as spring summer foods, balanced with all other bits .. satiation & cravings conversation key point..forbs & fungi so important for "stockpiling" nutrients in marrow & body mass
I’m 42 I have been hunting 30 year I love the new info
Been waiting to watch this since i listened to this podcast! I'm watching and listening again! And btw this should be re-uploaded as the full podcast.
I love this and i love how you never stop learning when it comes to deer hunting
Way better than Bone Collecter or anything on the Outdoor channel, THP!
Re-thinking hunting strategies this season. Planted two food plots last year- turnips, radishes, beets and monitored with trail cameras. Plots were lush and green late summer, but throughout the hunting season, they just did not seem to have that much draw for deer. We had a good acorn crop for most of the hunting season so that had an affect. Hunting area is composed of, and surrounded by, small wood lots and large open ag fields of corn and beans which are typically harvested before the rut. My goal this year is to allow food plot locations and edge areas to grow up in tall weeds and simply create areas for deer to travel and hide. The farm was in CRP for two years until last year and the amount of trophy bucks (3 1/2 to 4 1/2) on the property was staggering during those CRP years. Land owner leased the property out to farmer last year, which created a food rich, no place to travel or hide environment. Almost all trophy buck pictures were at night. With CRP cover, I was getting daytime pics of them. Also, as soon as velvet comes off, the bucks just about abandon the salt licks.
I would watch Jeff Sturgis. Those bucks are on another property in daylight. There is probably tons of does, pushing pressure on the bucks into other property. If you let it grow up you may see less does, but bucks might start using the property in daylight. Remember, daylight bucks are all that matters, consider those night time ones nonexistent. I am no expert but I study Jeff Sturgis’s videos a ton. Heck I don’t even own private land, I am public only. But I sure try to learn for the future!
@@slugoo6474 Yes. I have watched a lot of his videos. Lots of good information. If I had to choose food or cover for hunting during the daylight, cover would win. If it is not present, have to create it, or hunt somewhere else. I spent a lot of hours last season hunting public because acorn crop was so good. A lot of action.
@@Kurtdog63 I wish you luck. What state are you in? In NC we had a massive crop of acorns in 2020. Made hunting public hard with all the food that was everywhere. It feels weird to hope for an acorn drought but that’s easiest to hunt if you find the oaks that are dropping.
@@slugoo6474 Kentucky. We are allowed to bait here. If acorns scarce on public, you can hardly buy a deer because they are all hanging close to ag and corn piles on private. I hunt public areas that are hard to get to away from adjacent ag because of the easy access to public land from private.
pennsylvania game commission did a similiar gps study with deer and hunters, they found hunting pressure made the bucks go up to the mountain ridges, cuz most hunters arent gonna travel too far nor hunt arduously in steep terrain
Love the content and proud of MSU to share the info with us! Keep ‘‘em coming
Not a hunter. yet live with them in my area,such an informative watch Thanks guys. Happy teachings
This is awesome guys! I clicked as fast as I could. Love this kind of content
My best buck with a bow, I hitched a ride with the farmer on his tractor who had been seeing a big buck regularly. After he dropped me off it was about 30 minutes later I got him. He was used to the farmer being thete.
Makes sense as to why I see deer more often visit old hay fields over new seeded hay fields in my area. New seeded hay fields only have about 2 or 3 species compared to a dozen plus in the old. Even though the new seed seems higher quality.
What an educational video! So much “simple” knowledge that you wouldn’t think of. Keep them coming. Great job THP!
Glad you had these guys on. The MSU Deer Lab does such a great job of gathering and sharing information with whitetail deer here in the south.
Hail State!
There was a study done in central PA on one collared buck and the week before rifle season (during bear season) from the age of 3-7 he would relocate to this one mountain laurel ridge and barely move for the month. Every single year, same exact spot right before gun season and hunker down
That's cool!
Those must've been some hella good batteries in that gps?
Cool. An entire group talking about bucks and not one said "HORNS". Bravo!
I really appreciate and enjoy these educational type videos with these guys, Jeff Sturgis and others. This is very important to being a more consistently successful hunter is knowing your quarry’s behavior. 🏹🦌
Great video, The MSU deer lab has been doing great work for years.
This was very informative. Kinda chuckled at dude telling Zach to sit on stand and wait.
Great video. I know have a "to do" list for next winter after the season. Create some holes in the canopy of my woods.
Great content I learn something almost every time I watch on of your video. now I have to learn how to apply it here in WNC.
Finally! The collab I was waiting for!
Absolutely awesome information! I love THP seeking out this golden info for us. They do the work and we learn from it. So thankful.
That was funny when he said most people can't stalk up on a buck to those 2 guys haha.
Fantastic boys!!! More and more content like this please!! The more we know the better!!🙏🤘🤘🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Winter time they go for green green green. At keast in my area if there is pines they eat sll the kow hanging needles. All the wild roses, chewed up. All of it.
Yes! Great video! Can’t wait to hear more from these guys
This was probably one of the most interesting deer hunting videos ever. 👍
This study further backs the many stories of hunters getting big bucks first time in to hunt a stand or setting up in a new location. Being a solo ground hunter the last several seasons, I prefer to be mobile and set up in different spots each time out in ground cover and have had plenty of deer walk by within spitting distance without being busted a majority of the time. I used to stand hunt for years, usually from the same location or small area. As I have gotten older, I've had less interest in dealing with stands in general and have had a lot more close encounters hunting from the ground. I've witnessed countless times deer movement away from another hunter and come directly to me sitting hidden in brush or cover on the ground, and those hunters most likely never knew the deer was even close to them. I can actually give credit to these other hunters for helping me bag my last 4-5 deer on public by spooking them to leave their area to come over to mine.
Awesome interview guys! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for the great video! In all my years of hunting I've found that you sit tight against the thick and swampy stuff and you'll be successful...maybe not on your time though! That buck only needs a 3 foot dry patch to bed on.
Deer watch hunters, hunters don't look around. Most areas have pre-season hunting for up to a month. I Feel the increased traffic on roads and the general increase in noise cause the deer to start to head for cover.
This was insanely informative. Keep them coming!
That's very informative. Looking forward to more of these in the future. It's a lot of information for me to remember, but all of what they said makes total sense as to why my arrow hasn't gone through a buck in quite some time!
Very good conversation! Enjoyed it
Absolutely fascinating! Thanks for doing this!!!
Zach’s got his stalking shorts on. 🤣
Seriously though, one of the best podcasts I’ve heard in a long time.
Amazing video. Just when you think your on top of the hunting game there always someone there to say OKAY NOW LETS START OVER AT CLASS 101. Wow. Lol. I’m starting next week to hit some really great state land here in upstate New York that’s sarounded by tons of ag land . This gave me the confidence I needed. Thank you so much. I’m on my second year of food plots and no big deer. The chase is on. Good luck this year.
I can show you places in NW Pennsylvania on public land (SGL) Where deer are pawing through the December snow 50 feet behind a parking lot on the edge of the road to get at low level grass & greens below the normal weed growth
Great controlled study almost exactly what some of figured.Returning to normal within a week is unusual,for those bowhunters who follow a very high pressured gunseason afterwards.I think it often takes a month,until bitter cold in December pushes bucks to forage farther,but still mostly at night.
They need to have had cams out on the changes on day movements if much,after gun season.My guess is that the first half hour of light is mostly the only time shootable,after the first few days of heavy gunshooting.Sitting in or near the usual bedding areas may extend that to an hour after light.
Excellent info guys thanks big time!!
Guys this was awesome I’m starting to do some land management this week getting ready for the upcoming season and now I know exactly which direction I wanna go. Keep it up fellas!
that was an awesome video! Very informative. It's lighting to deer hunting fire already
12:10 Meat and potatoes starts here
i've always said from the min. they hear the first shots of squirrel season ....the bucks know it's on
Interviewer: "Most hunters aren't going to stalk a buck."
Zach: Hold my beer
These videos are incredibly fascinating. Answered many questions I've had. Thanks THP
That’s really interesting information, I seen something similar scouting this spring as I marked trailing a certain bucks rubs and scrapes on onx and he totally avoided this guys stand area and stayed completely in the thick edge with his aggressive sign and never reached up to the stand a guy hung.
Very great learning video, much needed, thanks guys!
My friend Remnar from the UP kills tons of bucks. Yuge thirdy pointers , big as Buicks. Just north of Macinaw at his place called the Soady deer camp. You just got to get out there fellas. Don't get discouraged.
Researcher- “Hunters will not stalk up on a deer... not gonna happen.”
Zach- Stares into space with a sly grin...
I was waiting for Zach to say something about that 😂
Rofl that was my thought. But Zach isnt normal and most can’t do it. It takes a level of physical conditioning plus a mind set plus a knowledge of deer habits plus knowledge of wind conditions
You missed the most important part of that quote he said “most hunters cannot stalk up on a deer” he did not say all
LOL Statistically your NOT Gonna stalk a 160" deer. Zack had a horseshoe in his Ass that day LOL. GOOD STUFF!!
Stalking deer is one of those things it might work once out of 200 attempts but he is generally going to notice a predator in his living room a lot quicker than you are going to notice him
quality guests..I have watched every single video they put out. Well done Kudos to you..
Cut a narrow path through a large dense thicket in the summer. Leave it alone for a few months leading into season. I guarantee it will be a travel corridor that bucks will use all season long.
Awesome episode!
Can’t wait for the next one.
If you can't find them in the woods/swamps try looking in the over grown fields/hayfields golden ron fields found that sometimes they go out there and lay up all day thats where nobody is looking for them try it it just might be where they are at even better look in the over grown apple orchards
Awesome content and interesting to hear in these studies these bucks aren’t just headed to the hills once pressure is up
I told my son when he was young and just started hunting the deer like to go where the people don't go especially once the pressure's on
Sometimes it can be a little patch of wood that everybody drives past to go hunting
Fantastic episode! It sounds like a great study and you guys did a great job with the questions. Thanks for such great content!
I’ve had deer standing in front of me where there is very high hunting pressure that hardly move when gun fire occurs less than 300 yards away. They seem to react the same during thunder. Scent and loud movement through the woods by hunters on foot have the most adverse effects.
Loved it! Can’t wait to hear about nocturnal deer research
I just opened a Land Management LLC and it's exactly what it's about!!!!!
Keep these coming. Watched both twice already and have learned so much.. Cant wait for this fall.
I spend à lot of time scouting every year. Lately it's been all public land. Through that I've seen an enormous laking in land management . Î'm at the point now where I wonder if it would work to do a "adopt à public area" senario much like the "adopt à highway" programs out there.
That would be really cool actually. I agree
I've thought the same kinda thing. Maybe utilize volunteers.
@@karlwellendorf763 problem is with that people get the "I own this spot" attitude.
You think grown men can be friends and understand it's PUBLIC land that they're working on, but they cant.
They'll invest a ton of time into making "their spot" the way they want in and freak out when they find another truck there.
I live in very south alabama and have a 27,000 acre WMA 10 minutes from my house that is bow only except for 4 weekends a year. The entire 4 month bow season I saw only 2 or 3 other hunters and I hunted 3-4 days a week. There's not enough hunters these days for the land to get the attention it needs it would seem
@@johnbracewell3700 Unfortunately, true.
Depends on the state your in and the kind of public youre on, for quality of public land management. Im in Pennsylvania, and theres state gameland, which is supposed to be geared towards hunters, but i prefer state forest land, which is does state managed forest, and tends to have better game and nicer habitats
Great video guys. Love the knowledge.
Steve: "most hunters cant stalk a buck". 8:50
THP: Hold our beers
It wouldve been nice to have heard the researchers speak more on what they did and learned.
Great content - THP just continues to deliver!
Not many people can do what these guess do hats off to y’all
Excellent presentation!
Really enjoyed this episode! Very enlightening! Just listened to the podcast 🤯
Awesome video with some great information! Thank you THP!
Wonderful video- I wish I could have watched this sooner. Unfortunately I was unsuccessful in my recent buck hunt
Man I love these kinds of videos