Fixing a Viewer's BROKEN Gaming PC? - Fix or Flop S2:E5
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Hey, everyone! There always seems to be something a few folks find wrong with the build even after we've fixed the primary issue. In this case, his top fans were set to intake. I'd normally swap these around, but he'd end up with more exhaust fans than intakes = negative internal case pressure = dust influx from PCIe slot cover area (ask me how I know). The top of this case has a dust filter as well, so I left things as is. And the "heat rises so that's inefficient" argument goes out the window the moment you introduce any sort of active cooling component. Hope this clears it up. Not the end of the world either way, but not something I was willing to change in the moment 👍
Yeah, dust filters on the top obviously show the case was designed to have more intake fans than exhaust fans.
I wouldn't call it wrong, just unconventional. A pc case with fans is more of a vacuum pressure system so the "heat rises" argument doesn't apply at all. Its all good either way honestly, positive pressure, negative...and maybe the owner wants it this way intentionally who knows.
I love this pinned post! Positive pressure is the way to go,. either by amount of fans, or by judging or using math on cfm so that you obtain a positive pressure in the case. Without positive pressure you end up making a vacuum and it will suck dust in from every little opening that is not filtered with a dust filter. I have not had to really tear down and clean my pc in what feels like forever because of doing a positive pressure type setup. I just watched this video and love these video series that your doing. You are helping a ton of people who might not be able to afford to get it fixed, and then they can in turn watch these videos and learn how to fix their own pc's in the future. Keep up the great work!
forget the weirdos, you could be charging people but you aren't.
I see thanks, I was using my SSD hard drive that was installed in my older pc I didn't format that SSD drive just straight up use it on my new PC I had windows blue screen few times
I own a computer repair business, and come home to watch Greg fix computers. wtf is wrong with me.
LOL
It's like porn, if it's yours, it won't excite you, even if it's objectively the best
It's always good to see others perspective about our own work
Nothing (As a Computer Geek from 1970's)
Nothing . We are all learning from each other .
I know at some point I’ll have to troubleshoot something and I appreciate this series teaching us how to deal with odd issues. Even just working through a problem can make you better at dealing with new issues. Great series!
Thanks, Tyler!
@@GregSalazar great work my guy. love ur vids . keep up the good work !!
the fix or flop videos are really exciting and informative. I really appreciate your work here, it has helped me alot.
Yes! It’s like watching a good mystery show, always trying to guess what could be causing the problem. Thanks for the informative and entertaining content Greg!
Things I've learned in your channel lately since watching the series. When there's no display output, one of the many things could be the problem... A) It could be the bios, which is not updated to properly work with the current cpu and gpu. B) Ram may not have been put in properly. C) Could be the power supply. D) CPU socket/issue and whatnot. E) The GPU itself. F) And finally the motherboard itself. I think I'm getting better at diagnosing the problem and all thanks to this wonderful channel :)
So as usual anything could be the problem
Nice of you to be able to help this guy out. Good series Greg.
More to come!
It's good to note that PC Part Picker will notify you if there are potential bios complications. Good stuff Greg, I was wondering how easy it was to rectify this problem, I actually went with a 10600k, mostly because this issue kept showing up with the parts I wanted to get in an AMD build.
That message on PCPP is a generic message that shows up whenever there MIGHT be an issue...therefore you still have to do your own research because PCPP's generic message will be inaccurate at times
the incompatibility message popped up when I built my pc on PCPP but it was a false message. I was glad to see it though because that let me learn a little more about PCs from the research I did.
@@Lukecase2 something PCPP doesn't do which they absolutely MUST (granted it can't happen over night) is providing a warning when someone picks a part that has faster lane capability than the MB they choose....for example, when someone chooses a Gen 4 SSD even though the board selected only supports up to Gen 3
Sometimes PCPP does spit out false positive "incompatibility" issues though, so it's usually best if you don't know, is to go online (like Reddit, a Discord server, or a forum) and talk to someone with more knowledge than you (but make sure you get a second opinion) like I did when I first started.
I've become so attached to this series that hearing "This here is another viewer's...BROKEN gaming PC" is like hearing the intro to a beloved TV show.
As someone who has that exact GPU, this breaks my soul that it was so easy to fix. I have to wonder if the original person who built it, actually picked out these parts, themselves, otherwise this shouldn't have been overlooked. Things like this tend to happen when people throw things together without properly doing research, which, for me, comes down to every single last component that goes into my system builds.
At least Greg is free. I also watch Adamant IT, who runs a PC repair/build service, and he most definitely is not free.
When I built my current system with a Ryzen 5700G I didn't know I needed to update the BIOS before it would work. I thought it was a sketchy power supply or my questionable ASRock motherboard.
It is pretty incredible that he wasn’t able to fix this tbh
yea, i have accidently took atx mobo and matx case, water cooling aio and a case with no space and mounting for radiator
I was waiting for a Bios flash fix or flop entry for so long. It's one of those things I dread so much and just seeing it in action is the best.
I love how Greg always goes the extra mile of doing cable management and other aesthetic / quality of life fixes even after fixing a rig's main issue.
Not every motherboard has the BIOS flashback function. Only higher end/recent motherboards can do this. Check the online manual before you buy
Bios flashing is a godsend now. I know it's one of those things that, if you know what you're doing, you won't ever need it. But the PC building space is attracting more and more people (majority of which are coming into this not knowing much either), Flashing a BIOS needs to be one of those ubiquitous features that really should come with boards above the budget tiers.
The stupid thing is each manufacturer implements it differently, the procedures aren't always fully documented (looking at you Gigabyte).
@@hedonistic_mushroom Gigabytes process of flashing a new bios is very simple???
I would love it if you would place the viewers hardware piece by piece in the description. I love some of these builds and how clean and modern they look.
I would love to do a mockup for my room.
Greg I just wanted to thank you for the awesome and wholesome content you put out. You help out so many people with information, not to mention the persons systems that you diagnose, fix, upgrade and clean. I've learned a ton from watching you, I built my first PC back in 2019 and did a piss poor job of cable managing the entire rig. Today I found the motivation to deep clean and reroute my whole build with confidence, thanks to you and your videos ( Wish I took pics to tweet at you ) but totally was an afterthought haha.. Keep on doing what you do Greg, will always appreciate your content. Hope you can get your Million Subscribers milestone by 2023!
This series and PCDC are my absolute favourite on TH-cam! Love the content keep up the good work Greg
Glad you like them!
Hi Greg this inspired me to open my little own PC fix/deep cleaning service in Louisiana I appreciate u for all the help
I admit that I am totally addicted to the Fix or Flop series. Having watched every episode, I have picked up a number of tips for troubleshooting PCs. Great work as always Greg!
Well, I recognized the P-500A case immediately since that's what my system is in and mine is pretty similar in specs. Considering how easy that case makes cable management, I get the feeling the owner didn't really even try. Also that case is missing the two lower cable cover slides. I'm glad they will actually get to use this now.
Greg it's definitely nice seeing you troubleshoot helping the rest of us with future probs. Also, not all heroes wear capes and you definitely save that person's build.
Well done, Greg! What a beautiful PC finally ready to go.
My msi a-pro max board has a similar bios feature, but the box indicated what it was ready for. I wonder how many people don't notice this when they build. Defiantly some coin in that gpu. Cheers.
God damn, its 00:09 in the UK I have to be at work at 06:00 and you decide to release the video.. Must watch!
Hahah the video will be here after work tomorrow! :-D
Very glad i did my research beforehand, the flashing process for my b550 went great, and now its getting along with my 5000 series cpu greatly
Love these episodes, Greg! Thanks for making them. It's nice to see any mobo that you don't need a CPU to BIOS update! Wish they were all like that. Well done, man!
... they mostly are if you use Intel, where you normally don't get these problems. 🤔
@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. lmaoo that’s only because you gotta buy a new board pretty much every 1-2 gens with intel. Nice try though
Man...imagine spending the money he must of on that build to become so frustrated you set it aside for a YEAR. I was having problems with my PC and was scared to let it go for a weekend 🤣 As always great work! Your videos are what lead me to choosing to pursue my future in a tech related field when I found how much I personally loved fiddling with PCs
Nice to see a straightforward fix for a change, without running into many complications apart from rgb clutter so to speak.. i wonder though did you flip the top fans off screen? I figure it isn't an actual problem but having that many intake fans might just be an oversight by the owner. so it just didn't make the video.
Not a huge deal. Dust filter up top. Would run negative internal pressure had they been flipped.
Hey Greg dunno if you read this, but just wanted to say that your videos motivated me to deep clean my PC, build it back from scratch and upgrade some of the components to try and optimize the architecture. Thank you for what you do!
I have the exact same Cpu Gpu setup! Also had the same no post problem. What happened with mine was I got dust in the RAM slots when dusting it out. Giving it a good spray with air duster solved the issue!
I love this series it’s super cool seeing all of these pcs getting troubleshooted and fixed keep it up man!
Greg, I really do enjoy your content. And the knowledge that comes from it. With your (and a few other content creators) enjoyable videos of Troubleshooting and building. I finally took the leap and built my own system! It may not be top of the line, especially with how the market is, but it works and temps are solid. I just want to say from myself . Thank you!
All those cables for the fans and fan RGB! Nice job on that PC, including the cable management.
Greg is a very honest and good hearted man. Very fun content. Love your work Greg. Love from Australia
There's nothing wrong with my PC but once you started talking I couldn't stop til the end, lol. Great job with the entire show.
This is quickly becoming my favorite PC Channel
I appreciate that!
0:45 my friend had to wait a few months to use his pc again because he decided to try to tighten a soft tube fitting and accidentally unscrewed it and water got all over his brand new b550 motherboard, he had a "lovely" time with asus' support and help desk for an rma (surprisingly he got one)
Did he do this while the system was ON? Oof.
@@GregSalazar he ran the pump and psu and he tried everything he could to see it would still post, unfortunately it didn't, tried bios flash/update, cleaning with ipa, using a hair dryer and he was out of luck, but he's got a new board which is good
glad you could help this one, very clean looking build.
struggling with my machine since august 2020
Now I get it, I was a little confuse over the bios flash till you show us how. Thank.
Currently having issues with rgb from my msi mpg edge z690 ddr5 wifi. Gotta get in my inner tech mood with these videos
Great video! I can't believe this system sat for over a year.
I couldn't let something sit like that, even if I were a total neophyte, I'm gonna take the few minutes to make sure I get whatever I need to replaced before any warranties expire.
Man, your expertise to find the problem is amazing
6:43 You could maybe have indicated how the USB drive should be formatted, that might mess some people up
Love these videos so much that I’ve been using you as a reference when fixing a bunch of friend’s PCs! Keep up the great work, i always look foward to your reviews, PCDC, and fix or flops
Much appreciated, Rocky!
thats what I had to do to my B450 gaming Plus when I got it done... once I got the bios updated, the system worked just fine. Thanks for the video! its a great reference video!
Today I learned something cool. I had never seen that Bio flashback feature before. Really cool info to know! Thanks Greg
love the series. its been helping improve my troubleshooting skills. i recently was trying to upgrade a coworkers 2006 Dell e520 pc (ram and ssd) and ended up cleaning and doing a fresh install/upgrade to Win7. had to research Dell forums for Dell specific issues (i h8 Dells) bc it was posting odd RAID drive issues and when finally navigated to windows it was not showing full ram utilization after max 4gb DDR2 installation. Note: pc was so old that plastic parts were brittle and breaking and lots of dust. i didnt do a DEEP clean but i did a general dusting, cleaned contacts with IPA, repasted CPU and checked all connections. (wire cleanup is pretty undoable in a Dell). got it up and running but i must have gone thru much of your procedures when going thru the repair. thanks. would love to see you tackle an older PC build - they are another animal but your methods still work.
absolutely love this series ty for this!
This same exact thing happened with my 5600x and a B550 Aorus pro but i was able to figure it out pretty quickly. I couldn't imagine waiting a year to finally get to use my pc. Good job Greg!
Got to love nice clean builds. RGB is fine IMHO if minimal and or is tastefully done like this.
I have the same case and I just replaced all the Phanteks fans with Lian Li ones, it was a chore to extract all the cables. They're meant to be daisy-chained together.
Dear Greg, I would love to see the reaction of the owners of tthe PCs the moment you are giving them back with the fix/upgrade as I feel that might add more essence to the video. Please consider for future fix or flop series
- Lancy
Yes same here !
Wow, what a simple fix that lead to such a long time of non use. You my friend are a life saver for many, appreciate all you do for us pc folks.
Enjoying watching every vid in the series from S01-E01. This episode has the P500 Phanteks case, which is what my home rig is setup in. So dropping a comment since i havent done so on the last 30 vids lol
Having a great time following this series Greg. Thanks for the great content. I have an LED strip in my case that is one color off from the rest of the build after calibration in software but all connections seem to be connected correctly. Strange. Hoping one day you cover this so I can glean some how to from you. Cheers!
Good video Mr. Salazar... i like this theme because i think i have to do the same thing soon (when i have my new pc) and i search this topic a lot to be prepared... good job dude
I have had same kinda issue with my old MSI mobo, but with GPU. System posted fine with integrated graphics and with some old Radeon HD 5000 series but no signal with GTX 760, until i realize its an bios issue that many user have come across. After an update everything worked like a dream.
Had this same exact issue with my CPU, and this video definitely helps a lot!
I recently gutted my Dell Optiplex 7020 sff and moved over everything to a new case and motherboard, it was very hard to source a brand new old motherboard for the i5-4590 but I did manage to find an Asrock one. The biggest thing I was worried about was BIOS compatibility since I couldn't tell what Dell BIOS is equivilant to the Asrock ones, but happily after a long day's work building my first PC I was glad to see it started right away!
Always a great watch! I learn so much from your videos and this series has taught me so much about troubleshooting! I am now my friends go to when they are having issues haha.
This series is consistently excellent!
Thanks again, Greg. Your show has truly inspired me to do way better when it comes to keeping my pc and other peripherals clean and tidy. I love the PCDC series, the teardowns, everything.
Much love from Cali 🤟🏻
You make it all seem so easy. Love the education offered in these. Another solid video 😁👍
I actually have a similar issue with a PC I bought secondhand. Turns on, fans turn on, doesn’t post.
I’m kinda excited/hopeful that this might be the issue. And yes, just like your viewer, mine has been a paperweight for a while as well 😅
Anyway, great video as always! 👍
I've migrated from an Intel Ivy Bridge platform to a Zen+ platform using the same installation. After the 3rd time of shutting it down and starting it back up, the whole bootloader got corrupted and it was apparently caused by an "unexpected" shutdown according to logs, had no other choice but to start from scratch. Anyways, great video, Greg!
I've built a few similar PC's recently in Phanteks cases (P400a/P300). They are definitely tricky to cable manage with the looped wires and shorter than desired cables.
Awesome build. I'm running a similar setup currently with a Ryzen 7 5800X. Any decent $40 CPU Cooler like my Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black will prevent thermal throttling. I get to 85C in synthetic 100% applications like Cinebench R23. During gaming, it's between 65C-80C. I suspect this viewers PC may thermal throttle during gaming with the current CPU cooler.
Wonderful job bro! I have my IT certifications and I’ve been wondering for a long time whether I should start a TH-cam channel as a hobby and as entertainment and way of teaching for other folks! I got new parts coming in and I think I’ll film it all!!!
In general i do like this series. But sadly quite a lot "broken PCs" come down to a bios that does not support the installed cpu.
It happens so often, that my head always goes "amd cpu + no post? wrong bios!"
But at least i learned something, so i can help my friends and family when they have this kind of problems (and of course others :P).
Thanks for this series, Greg!
Great stuff Greg, I have a feeling he was willing to wait so long because he didn't want to turn his nice hardware over to just anyone to do some troubleshooting. You were able to get everything running and clean it up nicely, I'm sure he'll be super excited!
10:13 "This is a borderline rat's nest"
God, you (and probably everyone else) would hate *my* cable management 😅
I love this series! I have learned a lot from it already, thank you Greg! I have a piece of advice for the people who are unsure whether to build a PC themselves or buy a pre-built one: my PC is a prebuilt, it was built by a company like CyberpowerPCs, I don't want to say they are all bad, but I regret not building my PC myself, I could then buy a nicer case for example. Flaws like: Single channel memory, the sidepanel bulging with cables, surely a company that builds PCs every day should know how to manage cables, but to the point. Two days ago I completely rebuilt it. I bought a new case, AIO, and some RAM (dual channel configuration xD) and it's fun! As long as you don't do anything stupid, nothing will go wrong. PC parts are actually pretty sturdy, but that doesn't mean you can do anything with them, just be careful and have some confidence in yourself. Organize it and make a checklist: 'Did I put the IO shield in?' 'Are the standoffs placed properly?' Trust me, just do it!
Greg, thanks for this series!
Greetings!
I'm honestly surprised that motherboard manufacturers haven't started baking in rudimentary network drivers into the bios so you can just press a button on the board (maybe bios flashback) to make it fetch the most up to date bios revision.
At least in the more expensive models.
That CPU cooler is a bit weak for a 5800X, but man, this is a super powerful rig to just leave sitting... I would never have left it alone like that for so long. I already looked into the BIOS flashback and updating the BIOS before I even bought a single piece of hardware, so my rig worked no problem.
It's good that his problem was just an easy BIOS update, and that his board is so nice that the process was easy.
That's what was so shocking to me. To have a build that powerful sitting in dust when the solution was pretty obvious. The motherboard even had the flashback option as well. I guess some people have other things going on in life
Every time you do cable management you always say "this is not my best work". But just teasing. Love your content and you do good work!!
I don't work on many PC's since I became disabled, so I love diagnosing these before you reveal the actual issue. Gotta keep the synapses firing somehow! ;)
That dude is going to be jumping for joy! Great vid and ty!
I just got this Video recommended and didnt know you. But i can already tell u know alot about pc fixing stuff and i enjoyed the video ! :)
This was the exact case a friend and I planned for knowing that x570 boards didn't typically support 5000 series CPUs out of the box. We flashed our bios as part of the installation process.
Probably the best series of videos I've seen on TH-cam, been watching around 30 minutes but it's enough to notice. Gained a sub, planning on joining the membership
That 5800x could definitely benefit from a better cooler than the stock AMD cooler. I can't believe that the system has sat for over a year when all it needed was a very simple BIOS flash!
As for the OS transfer, you can remove old drivers through device manager using an unhide option via command prompt. It will show ALL devices ever installed and I did just that to upgrade from my i7 4790k to a 3700x build. The OS had zero issues with compatibility and I had no blue screens at all.
Reminds me of my first build in a way. All new parts, I7 4790, MSI Z97 PC Mate motherboard, I used my gtx 745 from my alienware for about a year until I got a 1070 sea hawk, And a thermal take PSU I got from best buy. I was using it to watch youtube, Sorta leaning back in my chair, And it turned off.... Never turned back on... It died in like 2017.
This viewers patience is crazy!!! Also thanks for making this video im planning to build a pc soon and now I know to look out for this problem.
Tbh best series on TH-cam for computer
Much appreciated!
Thanks for the video Greg. That beauty of a PC reminds me of the line from American Graffiti " Geeze, what a waste of machinery"
This is for some reason very satisfying to watch :p Subscribed!
Ok. Finally seen all of this series and am eagerly awaiting the next episode
Wow, learned a lot. That flash thing, without powering up.
I've used Bios flashback on both Intel and AMD. You don't need it often, but when you do, you do.
this man needs a nobel prize award, academy award, pulitzer award, golden globe award, grammy award .... whatever.. just give this man a god damn award!.. he is the savior we sorely need as tech junkies!
Greg: "It's not my best work".
Me: Looks amazing! :))))))
Excellent job, Greg. Love the series. Keep em coming. I'm starting to rewatch them. lol
I'm very happy to see that beautiful machine come to life.
You're like the real life Peter Parker who never got bit by the spider but still found away to help people !! I really dig your channel. New sub has found you. Thanks !!
One thing you could also do if you dont have an older cpu laying around is google how to reflash bios on your specific motherboard and use your keyboard flying blind. Just a thought and way more accessible than buying an older cpu.
It looked like the film was still on the m.2 nvme cover! Love the series! I make sure to watch them all
The instant you mentioned a 5800x and "over a year" made my mind go right to BIOS versions. I'd prepared a usb drive for that eventuality on my 5800x build, but it booted fine first try.
Also, I'd like to see how that AMD cooler performs on a 5800x. I have a Hyper 212 dual fan cooler but I think I skimped on thermal paste slightly too much. It runs hot on bench tests but does fine in gaming. I think I'll repaste when I clean the pc and install the extra fans and m.2 ssd I got recently.
Niiiiiice good you catch that BIosflashBack thing quickly!
The thing with the EVGA cards is routing the power cables from the bottom looks a bit ugly since they block the light bar. They should be routed from above or to the side of the GPU.
Whenever I install a new graphics card on a used computer I run Display Driver Uninstaller to clean out all of the ols drivers & install the newest driver for the card from the manufacturer. You never know how old the drivers are.
Sometimes you have to work with what you've got, not all cable management will be perfect, but the before and after is huge. Be proud of it regardless 🙂.
Right from the explanation of the first symptoms I was on the bios because... I got the same issue. I was a bit on an edge case, I bought a 5600X with a X470 I knew would work. I asked the shop I bought it from to perform a bios update (that they charged 25 Euros for) and they didn't do the latest BIOS. So I had to contact AMD to get the Athlon update kit as my mono doesn't have bios flashback buttons :D Anyway, glad this awesome machine is back into operation, that's a damn good computer.
i just noticed but his top lian-li fans are intake, thats not a big issue but with 3 front intakes it probably a better idea to flip them and make them exhaust fans
15:29 shows a really good shot of them