I don't completely get that logic. The WRX is a AWD 4 door sedan. The BRZ is a 2 door RWD car. They aren't real competitors. Besides, they would still be making money off a car. Just make more BRZ's to match the increased demand and slow down on the WRX. The WRX is in dire need of a refresh anyways. All its true competitors are beating the hell out of it when it comes to style and performance.
they won't turbo because they're a duo with toyota.. if Subaru releases a turbo brz Toyota has all the right to Subaru's turbo technology I believe the only loophole is if Toyota does a proper full turbo 86 first 👍
This may be but I believe also that if it was turbo charge it would be a deathtrap since it's so light. As a company they need to think about that too. It's a weapon boosted
I bought a 2018 BRZ early June. I was regretting it in the beginning because it was my first manual but I got the hang of it now and I absolutely love it. Manual is thoughtless now almost and the car is fun as hell. Not super comfy for longer trips (3-4+ hours). Great car overall
@@DamianM1k Mm well there's a difference between learning it and getting decent at it. I would say took me few thousand KMs to learn it and then maybe at 15000 KM I can say I got decent at it. Maybe took me longer than it might take others. I'm now 85000 KM in and my clutch is still going for what it's worth.
So many people argueing that this car has low hp, cheap interior and still sell expensive. And many comparing this to other car like mustang, golf, focus, you name it. You simply can't compare them with other as they do a totally different job. This is not a muscle car, it is built purposely to different driving experience. And I think Japanese car maker finally go back to their roots, just like the AE86 or other JDM car. They are not as powerful, but they are the perfect platform for mod just like you would on JDM car. This car is a ninja, small power yet agile. And this car will perform very well in Japan, a small country with lots of mountain road. Bottom line, I wouldn't mind about slow accel or top speed, I mind about cornering speed. Plus I wouldn't be driving crazy fast in my daily life.
Agreed. It's supposed to be fun, not fast. What's so special about going fast in straight areas? If you really need power, turbocharge it and eat WRXs for breakfast.
Raymond Foo yes, this is a driving enthusiast's car. Some of s like the curvy back roads and the highway on and off ramps late at night. This car would be perfect for those.
tonya blandford you can't get the best of both worlds. i was going to say you could get a boxter, but 1) that car looks like shit and 2) it's 3 times the cost.
When your car only has 192 hp and is fwd and makes me appreciate a 205hp rwd car lmao. I can’t relate to your 115 but I hate that my car is fwd it ruins the moment lol
Just bought this exact spec car used yesterday. Never thought i really wanted an brz till I drover one. Don’t let the numbers fool you. It’s so much fun to drive even at low speeds which makes it fun all the time!!
Only scare with the GTI is the engine GDI sooting up intake valves. The EA888 is a superb engine, but VW isn't giving the USA the latest technology version of that engine in anything; not in the Golf R, not in the Audi S3, nothing. Plus this RWD platform will always be more entertaining, but not nearly as practical as the GTI.
@@joshuaalcos8219 Look in the used market. If you're willing to go with a bigger car, you can easily get 400 hp in the used market with low miles, big torque, and RWD for less cost.
@@alliecat1996 nice to hear that ! Would love to get one some day. Had an mx5 and sold it because it was too small for me. Bought an Audi TT but don't like it as it feels link driving a tank. I think a BRZ would be perfect for me ☺️
@@mattfinlay7476 they are definitely amazing cars for handling and fun! My ‘14 is about to get an Edelbrock Supercharger for a little more power, but I’ve enjoyed track days, auto cross, and mountain driving in it with just a stage 2 tune!
Nice, they added a live display so you can visually see when you're sputtering around in the infamous torque dip that they apparently didn't bother fixing.
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Two reasons why they won't. One, they have a contract with Toyota so they can't make a higher end model than the Toyota version. Two, most importantly, it would outperform their WRX STI line and would essentially kill it.
Exactly, just like what Porsche almost did with the Cayman to the 911. They had to come back on the power because the mid engine layout ended up performing better than the rear engine layout. Could you imagine all the WRX fans that would jump ship if they could have a car that handles better and has the same power as an STI?
I literally remember when I was about to leave the Honda dealership after checking out the Accord, the guy tried to change my mind by saying "look at those LEDs man, doesn't it look like a Mercedes?". even their sales team seems to agree with you
6:09 it's nice that you'll always be reminded of how torque-less you'll be at the mid range with that graph. But then... 15:36 "It feels like it has torque now!"
The exterior of the vehicle is very bold and aggressive . I love the refined shape and the sporty visual appeal . Conversely , the interior seems obsolete and the instrument cluster could use a refresh . Would’ve been better if Subaru incorporated all leather seats . I understand it is a sports car , and alcantara inserts gives it that traditional sporty feel, but leather is more premium .
Great review, Sofyan! You are such an informative and very descriptive reviewer! I really like the new Subaru BRZ's refreshed design. It keeps the vehicle looking fresh and competitive with its competition. Keep up the great work! -DriveAndBeDriven
pedro fernandez The 80's are over friend. All sports cars with any value run peak torques even higher. If you want a Mustang you likely aren't looking at this car.
I like the UHHs that you add in every other sentence of your review. Make it longer... like "UHHHH" and "UMMM" to show how fresh and real the review is!!!
I'm glad your presentation's speech has become much better - a lot less of those "uh..." pauses do wonders. Great job. The engine shot portion actually got me a bit nauseous though lol, your cam is sweeping around left and right too much, and the shaking doesn't help. Try to do one full clean sweep, left to right, then back to left.
Actually allowing you to see the imfamious torque dip on the LCD screen isnt making me want this model year. :( There were rumors that this would be fixed, but out the box they are showing you clearly its not. Kind of weird they would include a feature that allows you to see a major flaw.
If they fixed anything with this car, I would have imagined that would be the first. The second would be to give it a better transmission as it's the undeniable weak link of these cars. People with high hp 86's are constantly searching for a substitute for the crap Aisin tranny. It's capable of about 210tq and that's about it. Sometimes you get lucky and have no issues, powershifting or clutch dropping with sticky tires and higher hp is almost sure to grenade the trans.
Things not stated, yet I'd like to know: Is the steering improved somewhat in the 2017 model ? Is there denser foam than last year in upper portion of driver's door...(that's where I rest my elbow on long trips) ? Is the green cruise control on light still in the left binnacle...where it's hard to see when driving ? Loved your detailed review. I own a 2015 FRS, now with just over 36,000 miles. Zero problems with the car so far. Best car I've ever owned. Thinking of upgrading to 2017 BRZ, once I figure out if it's worth my while to do so. Like both the exterior and interior of the 2017 BRZ better than the 2017 Toyota 86.
I think the steering felt about the same as the 2015 BRZ I tested last year, like the smaller size wheel and leather on the new 2017 model more. The upper door panel feels softer now, it may be the combination of nicer leather, and perhaps softer padding. The cruise control indicator light has been moved to the 4.2" LCD display, but you must get the Limited to get this, the Premium model will have the same instrument cluster as your 2015 model. -Sofyan
I know it drives great (I've driven 3 of the pre-refreshed ones), but it needs more torque. Most people are often not in places where you can exploit what is fun about this car, so it needs to be a little more exciting in a straight line to be great. Until then, it's a bit too expensive. At least this one looks A LOT better than the '17 Toyota version.
thats plenty of torque considering it only weighs 2700lbs, there is nothing in the rear to keep the wheels from spinning even for 150ft/lbs . Thats why the redline is at 8000
I agree with you on it being too much for a new car. I never buy a brand new car though. I picked up a 2013 FRS for 18k with only 14k miles on it, bone stock. Flawless paint, upgraded interior and audio. I've already put suspension, wheels/tires and it's probably one of the 10 sexiest cars where I live.
*Edit Needs forced induction.Not really all that cheap. Up here at altitude where I stay , even the cheapest most basic turbo hot hatch dusts these things off. Around 280-315 bhp these things make a lot of sense I'd reckon.
I love the exterior styling but I feel sorry that most will never know what it's like to drive a true sports car. In a true sports car, Less is More. It's about driving, it's about feel, it's not about electronics, it's not about creature comforts, it's not about the car driving for you. Think MGB, Triumph spitfire, Alpha Romeo and a plethora of other pre-1980,s sports cars.
People keep saying that it "needs more power", but what some people may not understand is if it had more power, the car would have to be heavier and therefore bigger. You can always mod it, yes, but then if you mod the engine you're gonna need to mod the differential, and your chassis, and your tires etc... So for a relatively light car, it has more than enough power for what it is.
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FrigginEels talk about first world problems! The one you said on the bottom left at 2:19 was really small and only lasted a few seconds smh. You should really get a better perspective on life and enjoy the video instead of complaining about something so trivial.
That power band gauge is actually awesome and I'm surprised it's been added, I wonder if it'll know to change itself after performance mods have been added
Roddy Dykes without a tune the characteristics of the band won’t change. Just adding intake or exhaust will give more power (maybe) but it won’t change the torque dip or HP peak range.
I like that they improved the interior now. I always thought the brz would make a nice cheap used weekend sports car, but not at 30k new with a cheap hard plastic interior. That vinyl looks much better
It took me OVER A YEAR to get used to the throttle in the BRZ. But once I realized what Subaru wanted of the driver and why it's like this, it was a GAME CHANGER. Basically, they wanted this car to be a "slow" city commuter with amazing fuel economy (for the era), hence the torque dip in the lower-middle of the rev range. They ALSO wanted you to turn into a Formula 1 pro (and did their best to make you feel like it) when you hit a corner or a country road. You need to keep the car screaming at 5000+ RPM floor it to 7400 out of a corner and then powershift up and then down every corner - sometimes two gears in 2 seconds! You MUST NOT try to floor the gas in 3rd at 4000 RPM. Do the work. It's a car that forces you to learn to drive like a pro and rewards you with some of the rawest, most agile, and thrilling driving experience on the entire market. Sadly, so many dumb people (like myself) and even reviewers try to drive it after getting out of a TDI or a Supra and then complain it doesn't pull. Subaru, I understand now. I understand why they forced you to change the BRZ in 2021. Thank you for making it in the first place.
I bought my BRZ a year old. The Limited for 22K out the door. I drive a company truck all day. But when I get home at night, I hit the empty streets of downtown Miami ...taking corners, scaring the crap out of homeless people. This car is tons of fun.
You don't really need more than 200hp in traffic so this car is perfect. It wouldn't be as fun if it had more power because you would reach the speedlimit too quickly... I also like to rev the hell out of cars which makes the driving experience even more fun combined with perfect balance
I will be owning one in the very near future. Not because of this review, it's just a car I've had my eye on since 2013. In my opinion it's a good car for the money.
MPG took a dip because fuel economy testing methods changed in 2017 and as a result the scores are adjusted in accordance with the EPA new testing measurement standard.
wow what a great review. I think I like this car now. I have a 2013 frs that I bought 2 and a half or 3 months ago that I'm very happy with. I still haven't played with the sport mode or traction because of a car accident I was in before I bought the car has me a little scared to push any car. this makes me want to go to an empty parking lot and try it out this weekend
Hey Redline reviews, is it just me or have they done a better job with the sound of the car? It seemed when you did the exhaust clip and during the drive portion it had a nicer sound than what I recall? What's your opinion. :)
This one did have a throatier growl versus the old Series Blue we had last year. Perhaps Subaru fiddling with the exhaust manifold tweaked the sound a bit.
If you want this better off getting the Toyota 86 with the factory aero kit. And they're both a slow piece of shit, so you have to spend more on boosting them if you happen to be looking for something fun.
I'm 27 and I own a BRZ limited. That car is amazing in so many ways! Is my best companion and my most loved possession! I'been driving my car for 2 years now, and has been amazing!
I can't believe you rev a@7k! I never shift past 5.5k in my Speed3 as I've already going over 100 and I just get nervous giving more power! I drove to Cali @70mph and got 36 mpg on 92 which surprised me and 28mpg in the twisty hills through Oregon.
pretty car but what I'd like to know is why the 2017 Canadian BRZ"ed" interior version offers so much more refinement in leather trim and accessory options? Also I believe the Asian market offers stitching and spoiler delete options.. The U.S. variant is not as well equipped....
Last year I preferred the GT-86 over the BRZ. This year I prefer the BRZ over the GT-86. Not a big fan of the new GT-86 styling but I love what they did to this years BRZ.
maikopl I hear you!!! I had the 2015 brz limited - but I wanted all these changes... I got a 2017 WRX, and actually this week I’ll be trading it back in for a 2018 Brz Limited with the performance package (RS trim in Canada) But I wish they had these updates back in 2015 with my BRZ, would’ve made me kept it
Jaguar F-type F type r? those are so common, i sat in one yesterday at a car convention, and the seats are stiffer than anything, i would not buy one because of the seats
Jaguar F-type i made a typo saying i would buy one for the seats, but i wouldnt, i sat in it for like 2 minutes, and my butt was sore from sitting in it, i love the car, but thats a deal breaker, i would probably look somewhere else even though f types sound great
Yes, but there is only so much power you can get from a low-cost 2.0L 4 cylinder engine. Toyota and Subaru will have allocated how much they are happy to spend on manufacturing the engine for 86 twins (plus balanced that against concerns for emissions and buyer demands for fuel economy), and this is it.
I’m interested in the car but I don’t think horsepower is my top priority. Honestly I’d be happy if it just had 30-40 more hp. It’d be my daily and occasional track car Suspension and exhaust would be my first mods which is common. But you’re not wrong it needs a bit of a power bump
I just bought a btand new 2020 BRZ in this same color after some idiot crashed into my 2015 BRZ. Classic Crystal Pearl White. Looks great with the red Brembos included in the performance package matching that red coated engine manifold that was an upgrade for 2017. All that aside just fun as heck to drive.
IZOK Subaru doesn't have VTEC (yo), you just can't put too much lift or duration on a fixed cam profile even with VVT :( [Neither does Honda anymore mind you, the Civic Type R turbo or forthcoming S2000 doesn't switch onto a high-lift cam anymore :(, it's some backwards low rpm VTEC like economy VTEC implementations... the NSX doesn't have VTEC at all :( ]
Update:😁😆☺️ got 2016 BRZ limited! I got a better deal than a 17 so i chose 2016. Happy with my car.! Love driving and the response i get you really feel the center weight of it.
great review, tons of info, thanks for uploading what's that rattling sound from the engine when bonnet's open? almost sounds like a diesel there, although not from the cabin where it sounds much better.
The clatter sound you're hearing that is almost diesel like is from the direct injection. This engine combines both direct and port injection to improve power and efficiency.
i test drove a 2016 frs and it was slow as hell. Waste of money, not impressed. I dont see why people just don't buy a used 370z. So much more horsepower and probably 5 grand cheaper.
The car looks good but still has the same issue that they had since the beginning. 200hp is kinda a joke especially with not offering even a gt or ss type of version. Would love to see it come turbo charged or with a good v6. Needs to be closer to 300hp for the price. I will stick to the mustang. 305hp for the same price with still better build quality and an actual back seat that you can use. The BRZ and FRS still need to be improved greatly. Also quit lieing saying you would buy this car for the fines. Again the mustang and camaro drive the same or better. Especially the newer mustang can beat the crap out of this thing.
Considering the fact that the Mustang and Camaro weigh roughly 700 pounds more than this car, they definitely do NOT drive the same. Sure, the two pony cars have more power, but power isn't everything. Some drivers prefer the light and nimble feel of the BRZ and when that is what you like, the Ford and Chevy feel like clunky and overweight. The beauty about a car like this is that you can utilize all its capabilities in the real world, without fear of crashing or getting into trouble with the law. Cars with too much power are no fun when you are driving it in commuter traffic.
Your response is pretty lacking. "Use all its capabilities in the real world" . Sounds like your trying to justify the car to much. Also saying they way 700lbs more makes them feel clunky. Have you actually driven then. The new Mustang has a full independent suspension and drives like a true road car. Yes horsepower isn't everything. You want a good power to weight ratio with a good balanced weight vehicle to enjoy it. The real fact is. Your saying a car that has 100 hp less than a stock Camaro and Mustang. Shouldn't be bought and get this at the same price point with less build quality. At the price and build quality this car should be in the high teens. Not the mid 20s. I'm sorry but the value per dollar isn't there. The only true reason to buy a car lacking hp where it was suppose to count it to get really good mpg. At least in the 30mpg range. Which again the Mustang and Camaro both get 30 mpg on the highway. I really was hoping the car would be a lot better. I was planning on buying one until I checked it out. Cheap build and lack of power. It's not much better than my older corolla from 2007. Give good honest reviews not what your paid to say. Then you will gain legitimacy. Oh just to let you know. I am a fan of Toyota products and Subaru products. They make some great products. But to be truly competitive in the class they were aiming for. The quality and horsepower needs a nudge. This is my true and honest opinion backed with facts.
Aaron Brooks I never said the mustang drives like the BRZ. If you read the comments redline said the mustang drives with clunky steering. I very much disagree with that. I have driven many mustang. Besides being a mustang owner myself. Yes the older mustangs did drive like crap. Just like most older american muscle cars. The main discussion was about. Redline saying that a BRZ is the best value for its price class. Which in my opinion is not even close.The BRZ has no power and lacks good build quality for the price. For the price of the BRZ I was comparing it to the Mustang ECOboost. Which is a far superior car for the same price. With the ecoboost it keeps the weight way down so body roll is very much limited like the BRZ. Lastly I have driven a whole lot of vehicles. Everything from toyota, hyundai, mercedes, jaguar, bmw, and so on. Besides owning many different brands and models throughout the years. I used to work as a mechanic at a few car shops and automotive dealerships. I also did look at getting a BRZ or FRS at one point. But just like I stated before its simply lacking for the price.
yung bootyeater I fit in my friends perfectly fine, I'm 5,10 and I'm not that skinny, average weight and it's uncomfortable for a really long time but just going to the mall and back or whatever is no big deal at all
next car for me...miata, brz, or mustang. The reason I have a mustang in my list is because I love the sounds they make (esp. with a full exhaust system.) We will see what the future holds.
The red paint on the intake manifold adds 50 horsepower.
Matt T you can get a 50% horsepower boost by installing an aftermarket short throw dipstick from subispeed
Science!
True story!
red flame stickers add another 10 HP each! don't use too many! lol
I use to judge this car based off of the power until I actually drove one. They are so much fun to drive and it handles very well
I think the reason why they don't turbocharge it is because it would cannibalize some sales of the WRX.
I don't completely get that logic.
The WRX is a AWD 4 door sedan. The BRZ is a 2 door RWD car. They aren't real competitors.
Besides, they would still be making money off a car. Just make more BRZ's to match the increased demand and slow down on the WRX. The WRX is in dire need of a refresh anyways. All its true competitors are beating the hell out of it when it comes to style and performance.
they won't turbo because they're a duo with toyota.. if Subaru releases a turbo brz Toyota has all the right to Subaru's turbo technology
I believe the only loophole is if Toyota does a proper full turbo 86 first 👍
Kabloosh what is beating WRX?
@@roberttrout1159 didnt think about this, great input
This may be but I believe also that if it was turbo charge it would be a deathtrap since it's so light. As a company they need to think about that too. It's a weapon boosted
I bought a 2018 BRZ early June. I was regretting it in the beginning because it was my first manual but I got the hang of it now and I absolutely love it. Manual is thoughtless now almost and the car is fun as hell. Not super comfy for longer trips (3-4+ hours).
Great car overall
How long did it take you to learn it ?
@@DamianM1k Mm well there's a difference between learning it and getting decent at it. I would say took me few thousand KMs to learn it and then maybe at 15000 KM I can say I got decent at it. Maybe took me longer than it might take others. I'm now 85000 KM in and my clutch is still going for what it's worth.
So many people argueing that this car has low hp, cheap interior and still sell expensive. And many comparing this to other car like mustang, golf, focus, you name it. You simply can't compare them with other as they do a totally different job. This is not a muscle car, it is built purposely to different driving experience. And I think Japanese car maker finally go back to their roots, just like the AE86 or other JDM car. They are not as powerful, but they are the perfect platform for mod just like you would on JDM car. This car is a ninja, small power yet agile. And this car will perform very well in Japan, a small country with lots of mountain road. Bottom line, I wouldn't mind about slow accel or top speed, I mind about cornering speed. Plus I wouldn't be driving crazy fast in my daily life.
Raymond Foo
Oh my god! Thank you, thank you for this comment! I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said! Again thank you!
Raymond Foo and this is why I bought one. 👌
Agreed. It's supposed to be fun, not fast. What's so special about going fast in straight areas? If you really need power, turbocharge it and eat WRXs for breakfast.
Raymond Foo yes, this is a driving enthusiast's car. Some of s like the curvy back roads and the highway on and off ramps late at night. This car would be perfect for those.
Power isn't everything. Most car manufacturers these day think that. Example = dodge demon
They really cleaned up the rear tail lights, front bumper, and wheels. Looks great!
Dude you wouldn't want a sunroof for this car. The whole point of this car is 1) light weight and 2) low centre of gravity.
but still people want that airy feel..
tonya blandford
you can't get the best of both worlds. i was going to say you could get a boxter, but 1) that car looks like shit and 2) it's 3 times the cost.
Sam Fisher and 3) it's a piece of shit
Some people don’t want it for the the speed/race ability/etc and rather for the looks.
Airy feel.... switch on the vent fan.
you don't know how happy I am when I see sofyan upload a new video
Josef Griveas let me guess, bad relationship? Terrible family life? Lots of financial issues? :( sorry buddy
Wtf you guys. What did this man do to you
Dude cracks me up how rough he is with the interiors on his reviews. Always hitting and slamming everything down hard lol
The tail lights look aftermarket ones but it looks so modern. Gotta love these cars
When your car only has 115 HP and makes me appreciate 200 HP cars. lol
Jerrod Voong my corolla has 130hp, 2017, im rethinking my life choices right now
Jerrod Voong My car is 170 hp and goes 0-60 in 9 seconds so for me having a brz will be amazing lmao
When your car only has 192 hp and is fwd and makes me appreciate a 205hp rwd car lmao. I can’t relate to your 115 but I hate that my car is fwd it ruins the moment lol
Ito Ito No Mi mine gets around 11 seconds lmao it’s so bad😂 then again it’s a Kia Optima
Jerrod Voong yo my whip has 108 hp 😭😭
Just bought this exact spec car used yesterday. Never thought i really wanted an brz till I drover one. Don’t let the numbers fool you. It’s so much fun to drive even at low speeds which makes it fun all the time!!
Nice review! I just picked up my 2017 BRZ last week and agree, it is really nice! I previously had a 2013 FRS.
Lucky, I went practical with a gti. Maybe get this in the future though
How do you like the GTI?
Only scare with the GTI is the engine GDI sooting up intake valves. The EA888 is a superb engine, but VW isn't giving the USA the latest technology version of that engine in anything; not in the Golf R, not in the Audi S3, nothing. Plus this RWD platform will always be more entertaining, but not nearly as practical as the GTI.
Wish I could afford one :( you're lucky bro :(
@@joshuaalcos8219 Look in the used market. If you're willing to go with a bigger car, you can easily get 400 hp in the used market with low miles, big torque, and RWD for less cost.
Literally crying here! This car is so beautiful! I can't wait until I can get my hands on one!
Did you get one?
@@mattfinlay7476 yeah I actually had 2 for a short period! A 2017 Series Yellow and a 2014 Limited BRZ that I still own 😍
@@alliecat1996 nice to hear that ! Would love to get one some day. Had an mx5 and sold it because it was too small for me. Bought an Audi TT but don't like it as it feels link driving a tank. I think a BRZ would be perfect for me ☺️
@@mattfinlay7476 they are definitely amazing cars for handling and fun! My ‘14 is about to get an Edelbrock Supercharger for a little more power, but I’ve enjoyed track days, auto cross, and mountain driving in it with just a stage 2 tune!
Nice, they added a live display so you can visually see when you're sputtering around in the infamous torque dip that they apparently didn't bother fixing.
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Drove one of these the other day, very fun little car.
Whoa. 5 whole horsepower!
I think they should release a Turbo'd model.
Keemotherapy
Absolutely
Two reasons why they won't.
One, they have a contract with Toyota so they can't make a higher end model than the Toyota version. Two, most importantly, it would outperform their WRX STI line and would essentially kill it.
Exactly, just like what Porsche almost did with the Cayman to the 911. They had to come back on the power because the mid engine layout ended up performing better than the rear engine layout. Could you imagine all the WRX fans that would jump ship if they could have a car that handles better and has the same power as an STI?
Which is a whole 35 hp more than my compact car.
Your review make me want to buy a BRZ right now. LOL
not gonna lie, This is one sweet ride. Normally I'm a euro guy when it comes to cars (I still am) but this is nice. Good review
How to sell a cheap car in 2016: slap LEDs on it
Lol
Ha Dude look at mah EL.E.DEES strips yo0, now people ganna think I have an expensive car when I'm broke- 2016 Honda Accord Sport Owners.
I literally remember when I was about to leave the Honda dealership after checking out the Accord, the guy tried to change my mind by saying "look at those LEDs man, doesn't it look like a Mercedes?". even their sales team seems to agree with you
Better than cars twice the price with halogen lights in 2017.
It used to be the higher trims that had LED DRLs, it use to show luxury/exclusivity ... now you see LED DRLs in a base Civic for godsakes.
6:09 it's nice that you'll always be reminded of how torque-less you'll be at the mid range with that graph. But then...
15:36 "It feels like it has torque now!"
subaru finally listened! they gave us a whopping 5 horsepower
Hey take it or leave it 😂
Very professional, informational and fun review.
Them seats look comfy as fuck. I need a BRZ looks really good.
seats are very good unless you are driving long distance
exactly. very comfy for normal driving but on any type of long trip you will start feeling it in your back
I'd kill to have those seats in my WRX. Mine came with leather seats with huge side bolsters. There's no cushion in the seat at all.
they need to add apple carplay and android auto
Michael Earll they did
The exterior of the vehicle is very bold and aggressive . I love the refined shape and the sporty visual appeal . Conversely , the interior seems obsolete and the instrument cluster could use a refresh . Would’ve been better if Subaru incorporated all leather seats . I understand it is a sports car , and alcantara inserts gives it that traditional sporty feel, but leather is more premium .
I test driven one of the BRZ, it is incredibly awesome! Great performance.
Great review, Sofyan! You are such an informative and very descriptive reviewer! I really like the new Subaru BRZ's refreshed design. It keeps the vehicle looking fresh and competitive with its competition. Keep up the great work!
-DriveAndBeDriven
I like the updates to the car! These are fun little cars. Nice review
You still gotta rev the heck out of it to get any kind of acceleration.
pedro fernandez it's designed to peak torque at 5800rpm ... you have to drive it like you stole it! I love that!
More fuel usage and lower engine life expectation, no thanks. I recall my 80's SAAB 900 where you barely had to touch the gas and whoosh! Off it went.
pedro fernandez The 80's are over friend. All sports cars with any value run peak torques even higher. If you want a Mustang you likely aren't looking at this car.
Not really, should be limited at 8600 like a 86 should be.
Zhemin Lin it end at 7400 tho and 8600 peak torque is ott
I like the UHHs that you add in every other sentence of your review. Make it longer... like "UHHHH" and "UMMM" to show how fresh and real the review is!!!
Seriously, what's the intro song in the video? And great review- makes me want to save up some more for the 2017 model, rather than the 2014
Little late to the party, but it's Chris Reece-The Divine Circle. :D
it's called pedesstal
I'm glad your presentation's speech has become much better - a lot less of those "uh..." pauses do wonders. Great job.
The engine shot portion actually got me a bit nauseous though lol, your cam is sweeping around left and right too much, and the shaking doesn't help. Try to do one full clean sweep, left to right, then back to left.
Actually allowing you to see the imfamious torque dip on the LCD screen isnt making me want this model year. :( There were rumors that this would be fixed, but out the box they are showing you clearly its not. Kind of weird they would include a feature that allows you to see a major flaw.
I found it really funny that they wrote that in on the torque curve. I understand that owners have been fixing that with aftermarket exhaust.
Headers go a long way to flattening out the dip.
andrefrbk throw in the Sprint Booster on the accelerator for $300 and it's gone.
A flash stage one tune helps a lot, too
If they fixed anything with this car, I would have imagined that would be the first. The second would be to give it a better transmission as it's the undeniable weak link of these cars. People with high hp 86's are constantly searching for a substitute for the crap Aisin tranny. It's capable of about 210tq and that's about it. Sometimes you get lucky and have no issues, powershifting or clutch dropping with sticky tires and higher hp is almost sure to grenade the trans.
Sofyan did I hear you rev match at 15:08??? I think that's the first time I've heard you do it on a car that doesn't do it for you! So proud.
better than the 2017 Toyota g86
how so ?
+Hallowjin design wise
whatEver but yet still look exactly the same🤔
whatEver the gt86 is actually faster though by a bit and the exhaust is way louder
I would honestly just buy the 2012 version and install everything my self and still save money
Things not stated, yet I'd like to know:
Is the steering improved somewhat in the 2017 model ?
Is there denser foam than last year in upper portion of driver's door...(that's where I rest my elbow on long trips) ?
Is the green cruise control on light still in the left binnacle...where it's hard to see when driving ?
Loved your detailed review. I own a 2015 FRS, now with just over 36,000 miles. Zero problems with the car so far. Best car I've ever owned. Thinking of upgrading to 2017 BRZ, once I figure out if it's worth my while to do so. Like both the exterior and interior of the 2017 BRZ better than the 2017 Toyota 86.
I think the steering felt about the same as the 2015 BRZ I tested last year, like the smaller size wheel and leather on the new 2017 model more. The upper door panel feels softer now, it may be the combination of nicer leather, and perhaps softer padding. The cruise control indicator light has been moved to the 4.2" LCD display, but you must get the Limited to get this, the Premium model will have the same instrument cluster as your 2015 model.
-Sofyan
I know it drives great (I've driven 3 of the pre-refreshed ones), but it needs more torque. Most people are often not in places where you can exploit what is fun about this car, so it needs to be a little more exciting in a straight line to be great. Until then, it's a bit too expensive. At least this one looks A LOT better than the '17 Toyota version.
thats plenty of torque considering it only weighs 2700lbs, there is nothing in the rear to keep the wheels from spinning even for 150ft/lbs . Thats why the redline is at 8000
Works sells a 50 state legal turbo for it, my buddy nabbed one and it was exactly what it needed.
SansooIan aftermarket super chargers are common, is there a mass produced turbo or something? Website?
I agree with you on it being too much for a new car. I never buy a brand new car though. I picked up a 2013 FRS for 18k with only 14k miles on it, bone stock. Flawless paint, upgraded interior and audio. I've already put suspension, wheels/tires and it's probably one of the 10 sexiest cars where I live.
Gavin Duprat store.worksmotorsports.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=142.211C
Carb Compliant Bud
hmmm just found out this channel
this is wayyyyyyy better than other shit review channels
clear and quick no BS very professional review
*Edit
Needs forced induction.Not really all that cheap.
Up here at altitude where I stay , even the cheapest most basic turbo hot hatch dusts these things off.
Around 280-315 bhp these things make a lot of sense I'd reckon.
blagh hehe
Stay for what
I love the tail, head lights, bumper, spoiler and the dash! I would put this on my BRZ
can't wait until you review the new type r civic when it arrives in the US
Performance package 2017 BRZ looks really good. White exterior + black rims + red brembos!
That LCD screen placement is pissing me the hell off.
I love the exterior styling but I feel sorry that most will never know what it's like to drive a true sports car. In a true sports car, Less is More. It's about driving, it's about feel, it's not about electronics, it's not about creature comforts, it's not about the car driving for you. Think MGB,
Triumph spitfire, Alpha Romeo and a plethora of other pre-1980,s sports cars.
Can you review the new Honda civic hatchback with a manual transmission when it comes out?
It's high on our list, we should be driving the new Civic hatch next month so stay tuned!
People keep saying that it "needs more power", but what some people may not understand is if it had more power, the car would have to be heavier and therefore bigger. You can always mod it, yes, but then if you mod the engine you're gonna need to mod the differential, and your chassis, and your tires etc... So for a relatively light car, it has more than enough power for what it is.
So this is the first video of yours I've watched, and I appreciate the video but I honestly had to give up watching at the halfway mark because the "Subscribe" popup every 30-40 seconds is REALLY distracting and super frustrating on a 23 minute long video. Just once at the beginning and once at the end is plenty - if you're super bothered about always having that "subscribe" reminder, maybe integrate it as a static part of your logo or something? It's just really, really distracting to have it keep popping up and disappearing.
Not trying to hate or anything, just wanted to offer some constructive criticism, your production quality and actual content is great otherwise.
Welcome to the channel and thank you for your suggestion. We've been on the fence about addressing that so rest assured we'll be taking your criticism into consideration :)
Cool, thanks for listening :)
you can turn off annotations in the video or in TH-cam settings (permanent). Gets rid of those annoying pop ups
Thanks but I meant the ones "baked" into the video at the bottom left (see 2:19 for an example) - I already have annotations off :)
FrigginEels talk about first world problems! The one you said on the bottom left at 2:19 was really small and only lasted a few seconds smh. You should really get a better perspective on life and enjoy the video instead of complaining about something so trivial.
Owned a FRS for 2 years, everyone knows these cars ain’t fast but honestly, the best fun little car to daily drive imo.
That power band gauge is actually awesome and I'm surprised it's been added, I wonder if it'll know to change itself after performance mods have been added
Roddy Dykes without a tune the characteristics of the band won’t change. Just adding intake or exhaust will give more power (maybe) but it won’t change the torque dip or HP peak range.
I like that they improved the interior now. I always thought the brz would make a nice cheap used weekend sports car, but not at 30k new with a cheap hard plastic interior. That vinyl looks much better
I'd love to have one of these with a supercharger
Imagine how many they would sell if they offered something like that with a warranty.
Kye Moser As that fat guy from TFL car would say: "They'd sell like hot cakes!"
DeShawn Williams go to TJ hunts channel. He has a supercharged brz named Miley.
yeah and imagine the additional 7k that would be added to the base price. Probably product cannibalization too.
It took me OVER A YEAR to get used to the throttle in the BRZ. But once I realized what Subaru wanted of the driver and why it's like this, it was a GAME CHANGER.
Basically, they wanted this car to be a "slow" city commuter with amazing fuel economy (for the era), hence the torque dip in the lower-middle of the rev range.
They ALSO wanted you to turn into a Formula 1 pro (and did their best to make you feel like it) when you hit a corner or a country road.
You need to keep the car screaming at 5000+ RPM floor it to 7400 out of a corner and then powershift up and then down every corner - sometimes two gears in 2 seconds! You MUST NOT try to floor the gas in 3rd at 4000 RPM. Do the work.
It's a car that forces you to learn to drive like a pro and rewards you with some of the rawest, most agile, and thrilling driving experience on the entire market.
Sadly, so many dumb people (like myself) and even reviewers try to drive it after getting out of a TDI or a Supra and then complain it doesn't pull.
Subaru, I understand now. I understand why they forced you to change the BRZ in 2021. Thank you for making it in the first place.
i think the BR Zed looks nicer than the 86
I guess in your part of the world Zebras are called ZeDbras and zoos are called Zedoos, interesting 👹
I bought my BRZ a year old. The Limited for 22K out the door. I drive a company truck all day. But when I get home at night, I hit the empty streets of downtown Miami ...taking corners, scaring the crap out of homeless people. This car is tons of fun.
10:50 what did he blur out?
Buck Futter a form of ID
You don't really need more than 200hp in traffic so this car is perfect. It wouldn't be as fun if it had more power because you would reach the speedlimit too quickly... I also like to rev the hell out of cars which makes the driving experience even more fun combined with perfect balance
Are they tire size on this and the Toyota 86 square or are they staggered?
This car is great! Not too much tech which I like but I would go with the Toyota.
They are square, 215/45R17 all around.
Awesome 👍
I will be owning one in the very near future. Not because of this review, it's just a car I've had my eye on since 2013. In my opinion it's a good car for the money.
Hey, did you get yours?
Wish you could have mentioned which trim level was your tester was
Kobayashi360 it's a Limited. We mentioned it several times throughout the review.
+Redline Reviews he was being sarcastic because you over mentioned it
+IamPrimitive El oh el
Learn how to write proper English
Excellent review... I love the shift light and the beep so much
hey Sofyan can you try to review a Toyota tundra please (:
MPG took a dip because fuel economy testing methods changed in 2017 and as a result the scores are adjusted in accordance with the EPA new testing measurement standard.
I hate the way you say "pedestal" at 3:16
wow what a great review. I think I like this car now. I have a 2013 frs that I bought 2 and a half or 3 months ago that I'm very happy with. I still haven't played with the sport mode or traction because of a car accident I was in before I bought the car has me a little scared to push any car. this makes me want to go to an empty parking lot and try it out this weekend
Hey Redline reviews, is it just me or have they done a better job with the sound of the car? It seemed when you did the exhaust clip and during the drive portion it had a nicer sound than what I recall? What's your opinion. :)
They made the exhaust tips bigger then last years model
This one did have a throatier growl versus the old Series Blue we had last year. Perhaps Subaru fiddling with the exhaust manifold tweaked the sound a bit.
The OIL temperature gauge is finally here.
Still missing the turbo boost. No problem, the Abarth has it...
Thanks for the video.
I'm 25 years old male does it suits me or to old for me ???
Naji Humadi age doesn't matter for the car you want to drive.
No you're still too young.
If you want this better off getting the Toyota 86 with the factory aero kit. And they're both a slow piece of shit, so you have to spend more on boosting them if you happen to be looking for something fun.
does not matter what your age is wtf do what u want that makes u happy in life
I'm 27 and I own a BRZ limited. That car is amazing in so many ways! Is my best companion and my most loved possession! I'been driving my car for 2 years now, and has been amazing!
I can't believe you rev a@7k! I never shift past 5.5k in my Speed3 as I've already going over 100 and I just get nervous giving more power! I drove to Cali @70mph and got 36 mpg on 92 which surprised me and 28mpg in the twisty hills through Oregon.
I want this car so bad.
Eliza Keita don’t do it
Eliza Keita do it
Ryan Kelley why not? I will say that you can get much faster cars for around the same price as a BRZ.
はる Alternatives ?
pretty car but what I'd like to know is why the 2017 Canadian BRZ"ed" interior version offers so much more refinement in leather trim and accessory options? Also I believe the Asian market offers stitching and spoiler delete options.. The U.S. variant is not as well equipped....
BRZ THE BEST EVER 💺💞
Last year I preferred the GT-86 over the BRZ. This year I prefer the BRZ over the GT-86. Not a big fan of the new GT-86 styling but I love what they did to this years BRZ.
This made me depressed, I got a 2015 brz, which is same as all previous year, now they decide to upgrade everything... GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Then trade it in?
maikopl I hear you!!! I had the 2015 brz limited - but I wanted all these changes... I got a 2017 WRX, and actually this week I’ll be trading it back in for a 2018 Brz Limited with the performance package (RS trim in Canada)
But I wish they had these updates back in 2015 with my BRZ, would’ve made me kept it
Except power, so don’t feel too bad.
To the brz/frs owner, did you know when you turn on the car and immediately rev you get a pop and crackle, even on stock, well on stock ones
Jaguar F-type ayyy
Jaguar F-type F type r? those are so common, i sat in one yesterday at a car convention, and the seats are stiffer than anything, i would not buy one because of the seats
Jaguar F-type i made a typo saying i would buy one for the seats, but i wouldnt, i sat in it for like 2 minutes, and my butt was sore from sitting in it, i love the car, but thats a deal breaker, i would probably look somewhere else even though f types sound great
iHeart GT86 not at all, but ok
Vladimir Bautista lucky, i want one
But it does need more power because people that buy this type of car care about power as well as handling.
Yes, but there is only so much power you can get from a low-cost 2.0L 4 cylinder engine. Toyota and Subaru will have allocated how much they are happy to spend on manufacturing the engine for 86 twins (plus balanced that against concerns for emissions and buyer demands for fuel economy), and this is it.
Frozen Car Guy agree. Really wish they would make the engine a little bigger to add more torque and hp. A 2.5 na Subaru engine would be great.
I’m interested in the car but I don’t think horsepower is my top priority. Honestly I’d be happy if it just had 30-40 more hp. It’d be my daily and occasional track car Suspension and exhaust would be my first mods which is common. But you’re not wrong it needs a bit of a power bump
We're getting 100hp/L from a tiny NA 4 cylinder that's damn good
The 2017 in stock trim out performs the 2016 model in every objective category. Well done Subaru and Toyota.
Oh how I wish I wasn't a poor university student....that being said, I'd be all for an AWD Turbocharged BRZ haha
Why do you need AWD?
snowboarding, snowy days, and it rains 24/7 here in seattle.
WRX...
Wrx is a great choice
What if I just really like how the BRZ looks? To me, the WRX looks like a glorified Impreza.
thank you for minor gripping the no 3 blink one touch turn signals. You feel the same way I do. It's the little things.
Car intro song pls??
Seriously!!! Lol I keep coming back to this video just for the song
Trap just Shazam it it’ll come up
As instrumental
I just bought a btand new 2020 BRZ in this same color after some idiot crashed into my 2015 BRZ. Classic Crystal Pearl White. Looks great with the red Brembos included in the performance package matching that red coated engine manifold that was an upgrade for 2017. All that aside just fun as heck to drive.
Just put a turbo in it already, worse car to own at high altitude I.e. Colorado
then im wondering how are u guys driving the mainstream regular cars like civic and corolla or even cars like fiat, fit.
now you made me wonder the same thing.
A 2.5L would be nice. :)
2.5 is too heavy and outdated, not to mention the new 2.0 engine overall is a better engine.
IZOK Subaru doesn't have VTEC (yo), you just can't put too much lift or duration on a fixed cam profile even with VVT :( [Neither does Honda anymore mind you, the Civic Type R turbo or forthcoming S2000 doesn't switch onto a high-lift cam anymore :(, it's some backwards low rpm VTEC like economy VTEC implementations... the NSX doesn't have VTEC at all :( ]
First mod: Forged wheels with 245 section tires, performance summer rubber.
Sofyan....how good does the A/C work in warm weather?
has a nicer front end that Toyota
wow i love your Reviews!!!!, keep it up, btw the sound???, how does the BRZ make that awsome sound??xDDD its awsome for that price.!!
Sadly I have to wait for a year and 3 months to buy this car.😥😪😢 unless i can make something happen.
Update:😁😆☺️ got 2016 BRZ limited! I got a better deal than a 17 so i chose 2016. Happy with my car.! Love driving and the response i get you really feel the center weight of it.
Her Culiz14 sweet! how much you get it for? did i finance it? if so what was your credit score when u got it
great review, tons of info, thanks for uploading
what's that rattling sound from the engine when bonnet's open? almost sounds like a diesel there, although not from the cabin where it sounds much better.
The clatter sound you're hearing that is almost diesel like is from the direct injection. This engine combines both direct and port injection to improve power and efficiency.
i test drove a 2016 frs and it was slow as hell. Waste of money, not impressed. I dont see why people just don't buy a used 370z. So much more horsepower and probably 5 grand cheaper.
Jimmy A Because 370's are trash. 300z and 350's are where it's at
Golf Wang I have a 350z lol
maybe they just like the feel and look of a brz more? Its not all about horsepower jesus
Stellar review. Good job
In Thailand BRZ price is 90k usd 😂
I love Thailand❤❤❤
Prince 13 everyone loves Thailand, it is the best place to have some fun.
yes very expensive sport car in thailand
Nice review. Very nice quality. Will be getting this brz, just debating on whether I should get the perf package.
:( buttons on the wheel is just clutter, like the old buttonless wheel.
My dream car. I've been saving up for this. This will be mine soon.
Do you have it now?
This guy cares way too much about tech stuff. Turn signals really????
They are LED. That is very unusual for a car... especially at this pricepoint.
@Isaac Fox, don't forget his obsession on engine start button too. Seriously, who cares?
Ikr I hate it when the car has alot of tech give me the thing bare
Well done bro, by the way nice Shirt as well ...... As always awesome and knowledgeable video..👍👍👍
The car looks good but still has the same issue that they had since the beginning. 200hp is kinda a joke especially with not offering even a gt or ss type of version. Would love to see it come turbo charged or with a good v6. Needs to be closer to 300hp for the price. I will stick to the mustang. 305hp for the same price with still better build quality and an actual back seat that you can use. The BRZ and FRS still need to be improved greatly. Also quit lieing saying you would buy this car for the fines. Again the mustang and camaro drive the same or better. Especially the newer mustang can beat the crap out of this thing.
Considering the fact that the Mustang and Camaro weigh roughly 700 pounds more than this car, they definitely do NOT drive the same. Sure, the two pony cars have more power, but power isn't everything. Some drivers prefer the light and nimble feel of the BRZ and when that is what you like, the Ford and Chevy feel like clunky and overweight. The beauty about a car like this is that you can utilize all its capabilities in the real world, without fear of crashing or getting into trouble with the law. Cars with too much power are no fun when you are driving it in commuter traffic.
Your response is pretty lacking. "Use all its capabilities in the real world" . Sounds like your trying to justify the car to much. Also saying they way 700lbs more makes them feel clunky. Have you actually driven then. The new Mustang has a full independent suspension and drives like a true road car. Yes horsepower isn't everything. You want a good power to weight ratio with a good balanced weight vehicle to enjoy it. The real fact is. Your saying a car that has 100 hp less than a stock Camaro and Mustang. Shouldn't be bought and get this at the same price point with less build quality. At the price and build quality this car should be in the high teens. Not the mid 20s. I'm sorry but the value per dollar isn't there. The only true reason to buy a car lacking hp where it was suppose to count it to get really good mpg. At least in the 30mpg range. Which again the Mustang and Camaro both get 30 mpg on the highway. I really was hoping the car would be a lot better. I was planning on buying one until I checked it out. Cheap build and lack of power. It's not much better than my older corolla from 2007. Give good honest reviews not what your paid to say. Then you will gain legitimacy. Oh just to let you know. I am a fan of Toyota products and Subaru products. They make some great products. But to be truly competitive in the class they were aiming for. The quality and horsepower needs a nudge. This is my true and honest opinion backed with facts.
Actually yes, we've driven both the new Mustang and Camaro... Be sure to check out our full reviews on both to see our thoughts. Cheers :)
This guy danny cannon has never really driven anything if he thinks the new mustang feels anything like the brz lol
Aaron Brooks I never said the mustang drives like the BRZ. If you read the comments redline said the mustang drives with clunky steering. I very much disagree with that. I have driven many mustang. Besides being a mustang owner myself. Yes the older mustangs did drive like crap. Just like most older american muscle cars. The main discussion was about. Redline saying that a BRZ is the best value for its price class. Which in my opinion is not even close.The BRZ has no power and lacks good build quality for the price. For the price of the BRZ I was comparing it to the Mustang ECOboost. Which is a far superior car for the same price. With the ecoboost it keeps the weight way down so body roll is very much limited like the BRZ. Lastly I have driven a whole lot of vehicles. Everything from toyota, hyundai, mercedes, jaguar, bmw, and so on. Besides owning many different brands and models throughout the years. I used to work as a mechanic at a few car shops and automotive dealerships. I also did look at getting a BRZ or FRS at one point. But just like I stated before its simply lacking for the price.
Those roads look like so much fun to drive!
(I live in Florida every road is flat and straight)
The backseats in the brz are useless for people stop lying
it's alright if you have a wee kids taking them to school.
yung bootyeater you can fit one but now two in the back
unishot619 Well for kids its fun but for a full grown adult or even teenager it's impossible
Gavin Duprat the car got bigger???
yung bootyeater I fit in my friends perfectly fine, I'm 5,10 and I'm not that skinny, average weight and it's uncomfortable for a really long time but just going to the mall and back or whatever is no big deal at all
next car for me...miata, brz, or mustang. The reason I have a mustang in my list is because I love the sounds they make (esp. with a full exhaust system.) We will see what the future holds.