Do you think now is the time for Anvil? Do you agree that Foxhole has reached its limits in terms of Capacity? (not content) BTW there were plenty of other examples for my points i could have thrown in but life is busy and the announcement caught me on the backfoot. Like for example, another reason potentially for the medieval setting is to keep engagement ranges shorter, so that more people would be in closer proximity to actually communicate with each other. That sort of thing.
I think yes as in foxhole isn’t going to experience a lot of growth as it’s community is one of a kind. For example when summit played and although it increased for a time it went back to normal
So much this. Foxhole I think is near its limit of what they can achieve in the engine. If they can get Anvil to work they can do so much more in a possible foxhole 2.
Foxhole 2 in R2 would allow many things like aircraft and a higher player count. If amville is needed as a stepping stone to get to anville to I will buy a copy and will play but my heart stays with foxhole.
im not worried about this game taking resources from foxhole development, im worried about this game cannibalizing players from foxhole because they are both so similar in the economy aspect. Why should i play logi when i could go build a farm in this game?
Agreed. Foxhole has exited early access, so we just have to pray that when the Devs do inevitably stop giving the game updates, they balance out all the issues the best they can. As for players, I'm not too worried, but I see your point. But think of it like Coke and Fanta, both made by the same company, similar in characteristics, but different products altogether. Now anyone would get tired of drinking Coke for 6 months straight, so they try to find a new beverage, maybe like Fanta. Then they may get sick of it after 6 months, so they switch back to Coke. Point is, everyone loves and hates Foxhole, and everyone gets equally as burnt out and drops the game when they get tired of it. But eventually they come around, maybe around some big update, and pick it up again. Maybe it's burnout from the community or from the setting, so they just get tired and drop it. Hopefully Anvil Empires acts as a new flavour with a familiar taste.
It all depends how the game is going to work. If building a farm is more fun than playing logi it could mean that logi players change games to Anvil since it's more fun to play as a farmer and it's essentially the same game but with different themes.
Once Anvil comes out, I wouldn't be surprised if they start working on Foxhole 2. Taking in all the lessons they have learned and being able to apply them within their new engine, would be one hell of a game.
I think it makes sense. A lot of big games have a "shooter" and "melee" style. Elder Scrolls/Fallout. DragonAge/Mass Effect, ect. Foxhole will now have Anvil Empires, which is GREAT for Devs as the Medieval concept was begging to be made. Glad Siege Camp got it first
I think if you compare the concepts of anvil and foxhole together without the hindsight bias of understanding Foxholes limitations on U4 instead of R2, foxhole’s concept has a lot more “flagship game” potential. Based on the tech alone, anvil will be able to create more populated battles, and the cross faction vc will make the community less tribal and fragmented. The commitment to no microtransactions pretty much ensures foxhole doesn’t get ported to R2 because from a business standpoint it doesn’t have as much profit potential. But in a perfect world I think the concept of foxhole has A LOT more potential
It be great if Anvil empires were the ancestors of what you see in foxhole. A war between these 2 factions that been going on for ages... - Can you imagine a game like foxhole with 3 or 4 warring factions, that would be...
Excellent break down as usual! The one macro fundamental I always thought Foxhole lacked was geopolitics. Not voting for region-wide commanders or anything, but rather more factions and group agency like you see in EVE Online. Both world wars were rife with nations switching factions, geo-political maneuvering, and the cause-and-effect of everything playing out on a global scale. Because what's war but politics by other means? With Foxhole's two factions, the best we could get is dumb, regimental drama that constantly towed the line of breaking code of conduct. It will be interesting to see Anvil tackle a real player sandbox, and like you, I'll be supporting these devs with checking it out. But damn, I just wish we could have gotten this true war sandbox in Foxhole. Maybe some day.
“What’s war but politics by other means?” is such a beautiful quote, And i would also love to see them in game. I saw the three banners, does that mean there’s more than two factions? I’d love to get that amount of player involvement is the world not just the war
Game Development is to some degree cyclic. Foxhole as a test bed for Anvil. Launch, play, develop. Anvil becomes the test bed for Foxhole 2, using the new R2 engine. Could you imagine Foxhole with 4 or 6 regions instead of dozens?
I think as a builder, I prefer to play Anvil and make cool villages, strongholds and keeps instead of making ugly bunkers that die to arty spam and needs 100zillion msupp.
There's also one thing that we should consider: Anvil Empires itself might also be a tech test. The devs, particularly the original Clapfoot crowd, went really in depth with its world building, and have shown a lot of passion for that IP. So... why not start thinking of a "Foxhole 2" in the not too distant future? One that combines the technical prowess the team has achieved over the last few years, the multiplayer potential of the R2 engine, and the Foxhole IP that's where most of the Siege Camp fans love about the company. But Foxhole 2 will have to greatly expand upon the current game, not just build the same game in the new engine. I'd love to see new maps and factions, for starters.
No far as I can tell Anvil here is their next game, they made a steam page for it, they're building hype for it, you know everything that goes into a new game. The tech tests have been done already, hell they been going on for years now and built the foundations for Anvil. Also don't see them flat out making a Foxhole 2 at this point either, not like they need to either updates to Foxhole still works just fine. Really do not expect them to even start thinking about a sequel for many years to come.
@@TheDaris36 Don't just look at the short or mid term. A game take time to develop, and I do agree we won't see a Foxhole 2 any time soon. That said, give it a few years. The devs won't be updating Foxhole forever. Sooner or later the team will move on to focus solely on Anvil for a bit, and their next project. As such, who knows. Maybe by 2026-27 we'll see Foxhole 2 come over the horizon.
You're pretty much spot on here. As confirmed in the latest Devblog: " - as we were approaching Pre-Alpha for Anvil Empires we were investigating solutions for local voice chat ... - the proposal was to have both Anvil Empires and Foxhole share infrastructure." Local voice between ally and enemy is coming back to the game because they were exploring voice chat in Anvil Empires and figured out how to implement it into Foxhole. Now both games share the same infrastructure since the Vivox voice servers have upgraded to host more players in the same voice channel. I imagine more upgrades like these will happen over time until Foxhole catches up with Anvil in terms of graphical and technical capabilities.
This does make me wonder how Anvil might handle the whole Tech advancement thing that Foxhole has. maybe they'll just get rid of it. Or maybe they'll be able to cover the evolution of Medieval arms, and maybe even the emergence of early gunpowder weapons as late-game tech. Think early, clunky Bombards, Powder Keg sapping charges, Greek Fire, or even the Handcannon/Arquebus.
You can have a weapon advantage system: Swords beats out Axes when it comes to swinging your weapons at the same time. Axes beats shields. Blunts exhausts the targets most if they block the force, and isn't negated by armor. Spears and polearms out-ranges the smaller weapons, and has their use against Calvary or infantry. Then add in ranged weapons like slings/staff-slings, bows/crossbows, and 'throwing' variants of melee weapons. And even stuff like stationary cannons and hand cannons.
3:49 Little off track for what the video is going for, but is "The Remnant" basically going to be the ancient Greeks & Romans of this new game? From the description and shape of the shield, it really gives off the sense of "Just after the empire collapsed", y'know?
Slight issue i see with Anvil is the balancing of ranged weapons such as bows and crossbows. I know it might seem silly, but it took them a long time to balance out snipers in foxhole.
@@saintpres4ge533 yes, but for example in warband or real life, it has it's durability. Many mechanics can be abused including a perfect shield. I am looking forward to the game.
@@ISawABear English Longbowmen at Agincourt are a good example of bow vs armour. Also crossbows were made for the very purpose. It's going to be an interesting journey methinks.
I'm surprised they are announcing a new MMO so early after foxhole 1.0 instead of something about extending foxhole. I always figured they would make another game but I thought they would make an RTS. They already have all the assets and maps. A single player foxhole would be an easy sell.
RTS is a niche genre however. The combination of survival, base-building, PvP and MMO is probably a much bigger market of players. They have a lot the systems and designs to replicate and modify and update the tech to pull in more players to make a good game that sells well. That'd be my guess.
My concerns are that since this will be more melee oriented than foxhole, it might suffer more from clunky melee combat than foxhole. I also fear that tech would be limited in some aspects. For example, horse riding. Since there are only so many horse variations one can make: knights with swords, lances, long bow, etc. It'll be interesting to see how they work around it. At least with ww1 and ww2 the tech changed so drastically that options were almost limited less. Still, I think they would have been better off going more Sci fi on their next thing.
John Highway its not about being super man, not even he could shoot a longbow fork a horse because its a matter of the horse getting in the way if the bow. You can shoot similar poundage of bows from horseback but not long bows.
I'm cautiously optimistic, but I've seen other devs fall into this trap before. Diversifying away from your big game can lead to innovation and financial stability, but you have to make sure your new game is more than just a half-baked copy with an additional gimmick. Medieval Engineers (from the creators of Space Engineers) and Raid: WW2 (from the creators of Payday 2) are both particularly egregious examples of this. As long as they try to innovate and make this game independently good, I'm hopeful
@Lu Lu True, a new engine is a great foundation to build and improve on. They just have to make sure the things they build on top of that foundation live up to that premise.
Med engi had real potential to add new technology to SE, and that was kind of how it was initially seen. But then it became clear it was just a pet project that would not be using some of the best features of SE.
Honestly I think there is little to worry about on that front. We’re talking about the same dev team so they probably learned a thing or two with Foxhole. Even if they don’t get it perfect at first i think they’ll manage to fix and shuffle things around.
I'm still unsure if they intend us to be locked to the three factions or if we can run our own. I think these guys have what it takes to finally crack the code on full loot PVP with player built economies and factions MMO.
I study antiquity and medieval warfare almost daily, so personally, I couldn't be happier about this game. Foxhole just never scratched that itch that Anvil will. I use voicemeter banana to broadcast music or speeches through my headset crystal clear. Anvil Empires will be such a better game for that. Seriously can't wait for this game to release
With my limited knowledge on game engines and server engines, Foxhole's framework is tied directly in some capacities to their previous server engines, meaning most of the game would have to be re-written to update it at that point, its not merely a graphical upgrade.
I do love that game devs even in this day and age actually allow themselves to do as their work title suggests and develop games and to me Anvil holds promise. It will be different to foxhole in many ways but doing the same thing one more time wouldn't be interesting. I think people tend to underestimate the development from say, the battle of Hastings to the 30 year war. Over time Anvil might get that broad I love foxhole but two things are clear to me the tech used bring compromises that limits innovation and player cap. I stopped playing after the 1.0 update since it was impossible to even get in to the region to play with my friends and that pushed us towards other titles. The other is that foxhole will be around for a very, very long time yet.
Hmm do you think the devs would be open to the idea of using their new in-house and updating foxhole to utilize said engine or heck just release a sequel utilizing the new engine.
@@ISawABear Yeah because as you mentioned the new engine would fix most if not all of the major hurdles they've had to compromise to make foxhole playable. Would be nice to see foxhole be at its max potential.
Anvil Empires can be a large development as to me it looks like the servers will be open forever and some people will play the game for months developing their own empires, experience wars, make their own unique diplomatic systems and hierarchies. And as the devs can develop the game in two or more ways. First, they can do it is to develop the game to a world scale with multiple continents. Secondly, they can slowly develop new technologies for the player to receive over time like late medieval era man of war armor, or the renaissance era star fortifications and large bombards, to the industrial era with steam engines muskets and soon ww1 and ww2 era weaponry. Another way is to add fantasy stuff to the games with dwarves, trolls, and dragons or even other stuff.
I think Anvil will attract completely different kind of players and that both games will do good. I only heard about Foxhole because of Anvil, since I prefer medieval games. But I see how interesting Foxhole looks like also, so players like me will for sure jump on board on one of or even both of this games.
You say it's easier to balance, but it can be just as difficult with melee weapons. How fast can one attack with a certain sword vs it's damage (which a DPS score doesn't necessarily make apparent) then how will armor affect stamina and attack refresh times, the reach of some weapons against others, different arrowheads, the differences in bows when made of different materials or designs... and now you've got THREE factions with their own supposed flavors and combat doctrines they're supposed to favor...
sure, but i guess in the sense that i dont think there's going to be tanks, or battleships, APCs, there's just less overall things to deal with in total. so from that sense the balancing wont be as hard. The factions themselves act as a balancing mechanic. If one factions is WAY overpowered, the other two are likely to gang up on them, negating any technological advantage they might have.
I love Foxhole's idea so I've tried it off and on even joining a regiment or two. Unfortunately, the WW1/2 setting just doesn't do it for me or my friend group very much so none of us were really grabbed by Foxhole. However, we love medieval fantasy type games so I'm very looking forward to Anvil Empires.
A Medieval setting is pretty cool, but it's been done a million times already. I'd be more interested if they picked some other time/location for this sort of mmo warfare game, like ancient mesopotamia, Greek/Persia, Rome, India or South America
Been playing foxhole for like 3 years now, most of the time I'm on the logistics team which is painful and fun at the same time. For me its not a bad idea for the Devs to make a new game, I also got worries but we will see that in the future, my group will surely try this new one as a support team once more.
first-time viewer, i encourage you to start covering Anvil, the devs are pouring everything into it. It just might be the only continuation to what you've enjoyed so far. Also you really wouldn't have any competition lmao. You carry a formidable expertise in a "sibling of a game" and its development.
I think the player limit is actually ideal where it is. It helps balance inequalities in player counts at any given time in-hex, or overall faction size. Right now, QRF stands a chance most of the time because the numbers aren't guaranteed to be ridiculously in one favor. It's somewhat balanced by total player amount
I didn't know it was a new engine, but yeah I had the same though the market for a medieval game is going to be as nowhere nearly as big as the one for Foxhole's setting. Even if it is a better game, Anvil will not sell as well as Foxhole. The only saving grace it has is that so much more has gone into its development already and experience the devs have had, versus Foxhole it was just so rudimentary to start with and had a lot of momentum to build to get where it is today.
Honestly, this is exciting, and I don't think Foxhole will become less popular, it's an entirely different flavor and style even if they share base core concepts, too many people love the world war aesthetic and insanely deep mechanics. Still stoked for this new one though
I feel like there are potentially more things you could do in a medieval environment vs a modern one. I've been developing a personal homebrew RPG where I added guns, they are cool in theory but a huge headache to balance along with the difficulty of adding variants without them feeling like any other instant win device. Modern technology just nullifies too many problem solving strategies.
foxhole is getting near to the limits of its chosen quasi-historical era's tech, short of doing airships and airplanes which could be hard to integrate into a topdown perspective game. maybe horse concepts could even be backported into foxhole, im sure scouts/partisans/saboteurs could get some use out of horses.
I love your updates, as someone who loves Foxhole but doesn't always get the time to play it I love being kept up on it! I use your videos to try and update my friends on the new cool stuff too. I'd love to see the Anvil stuff to and I 100% am going to grab that game as soon as I can!
выглядит круто конечно, но тут вопрос? как будет играться конница? так как конь не танк, это танк может проутюжить окоп с пулемёта и пушки, а что будет тут? явно же если в игре будет возможность копать рвы, ямы и подобные объекты, то у нас будет либо лютая окопная бойня в куче траншей, и каменных надолбов в виде стен. Как выйдет конечно нужно будет смотреть на это всё, но думаю кавалерия будет скорее как транспорт, нежели полноценная боевая единица. it looks cool of course, but here's the question? how will the cavalry be played? since the horse is not a tank, this tank can iron a trench with a machine gun and a cannon, but what will happen here? obviously, if the game has the opportunity to dig ditches, pits and similar objects, then we will either have a fierce trench slaughter in a pile of trenches, and stone gouges in the form of walls. As it comes out, of course, you will need to look at it all, but I think the cavalry will be more like a transport than a full-fledged combat unit.
The facility thing actually increased the amount of people at the frontline. Why would you make ammo for the frontline in some backline facility when you can just make it at the frontline. So instead of being in the backline for a day or two to make enough stuff to fill a ship , you're now at the frontline hex the entire time.
As a thorough enjoyer of WWI and Medieval style games, i hope both do extremely well, especially Anvil, it looks incredible and the fact they made it a thousand each team is amazing, the sieges and battle will be the most incredible and chaotic things in that game, i guarantee, sadly though i will never be able to play them
@@stefferful long story but basically my right arm is kinda f@cked, i cannot fully extend my arm and i cannot fully manipulate my hand which obv makes it harder to play certain games on pc, i can play on console like i can play games like R6, cod and bf but if i tried to play games like that on pc i'd be completely f@cked due to the fact i cannot move without putting my entire hand over the button i want to press it or shoot without extreme difficulty of putting pressure on the mouse button. And i don't think siege camp will release Foxhole or Anvil onto console for a very long time, some people will say: just connect your controller, i have tried it, it hasn't worked so far, unsure if its because im doing something wrong or its because of my pc. It looks like Fxhl and Anvil aren't that hard to play in terms of movement for me but im not a 100% sure, i have thought the same with other games and proven wrong
Am FREEKIN STOKED!!! I can totally imagine. Setting off by myself. Building small homestead. Producing a small surplus, having a larger, organized guild come and demand fealty to keep my homestead... Then granting me access to their markets, tools, people and resources. And seeing my goods submitted to the market and playing into the machine that goes into the field to take the next fortress. Make! IT! Happen!!!!
Until some little group decides that they want to commit arson and burns your whole settlement down while you’re offline. I admittedly don’t know how this game will actually function whatsoever, but if it’s anything like Foxhole.. the worries don’t stop once you log off
I think is really good time for ANVIL. As you say don't keep the eggs in the same basket. There is a different team working on both game so why not doing it, Foxhole 1.0 is out time to make a new project. And they are keeping Foxhole in developpement witch is cool from them. Foxhole for me is done and just need balancing. But the business system of the dev is to add more stuff to get hype and sell more keys of the game. Personaly i think is to much stuff in foxhole and maybe some direction the dev choice in the past make foxhole a really difficult game to play time to time. Maybe a big war more casual will be appreciate by many players. And be able to switch to ww1 / ww2 to medieval environement is a cool feeling. I don't expect to much for now from ANVIL is a new game different team. I hope they will not do the asymetric system to much, that make the balance of the game very difficult and frustating. i hope my english is good enough and undestandable
It will be neat to see how fighting over resources. Are peasants faction locked and to be killed so your own farmers can till the land, or are they to be left alive, thier aligence transferring to the new landlord?
From what I've heard military and war game players and possibly online guilds are all drawn to Foxhole as a customer base and it's proved very popular with these markets of players? My guess is that a Medieval style game could tap more directly into video-game players across a lot of genres? I've seen games such as Banished (and number of similar other indie games) where players build little settlements in the wilds and the people are AI workers but it's obviously limited but the concept is appealing. Or I've seen MMOs such as Life Is Feudal or Gloria Victus where they provide more combat focus with large avatars but a lot of people find the idea of a player-driven worlds where the players stack systems to build up their power attractive (but these games are grindy and have so many technical issues and low pops). There's other games that segue into this. I'd tentatively say there's a good market potential that's worth tapping. The basic formula Siege Camp have got right with Foxhole, they can iterate and optimize it for example work on ways to make players have more personal input as well as enjoy the team aspect and then perhaps make the whole spectacle of large battles look more exciting and captivating which might look great on twitch and the like? So on timing and extending from Foxhole with 2 teams, it's the right business decision: Nothing is guaranteed but I'd guess the conditions suggest there's some big market growth to be had and that's how businesses should work to make profits and invest successfully. It looks like a step up from Albion online which has done well with more limited scale of battles for example.
A lot of points about the game engine are not correct. For reference, R2 Is not a game engine, it is a server engine. Anvil is made and runs on UE5. Considering the fact that foxhole and anvil run on both different game and server engines, it is unlikely that any features will ever be ported between one another. This was what the devs said earlier in development. Anvil is meant to be an entirely different beast than foxhole, it has a different scale, a different audience and theme. Different systems and also different player expectations. I dont think it is fair to compare it to Foxhole, it is akin to comparing apples and oranges. Sure they are both fruits but that is about where the similarities end.
Yes sorry, this is true although i wasnt uver specific due to the script re-writes for this video. But i wasnt technically wrong either since anvil is on R2 and foxhole is not. So ill take it.
Foxhole is for military fans like word war military fans and logistics, and this one anvil is more to casual players for medieval era and fantasy! SO i think will be good to have it and make another community around it will help em develop more on foxhole and maybe another foxhole 2 or a game based on sci-fi inspired from star wars or robots on a planets
i liked to play foxhole even if its getting more complicated after each big update and that i have only 30h in it. haven't played it for a year or so after the flamethrowers came but like that you have trains in it and the arty :D but the a medieval game looks really nice. love games in that time too so i look forward to it.
@@ISawABear Skyrim is a Single Player game with a huge ammount of tools to mod the whole experience, which is far more simple to expand the replayability. You can’t do that with the same depth in foxhole. Don’t be a fanboy. There’s not much to add to foxhole anyway.
ive been thinking about getting foxhole and watcher some videos. i saw that 3 server thing which is causing problems with player count and that each server just has one dominant faction or no noone playing it at all. so my question is if it does actually make sense to get the game or will i just be disappointed? im sure the game is great but is it able to show me its greatness?
anvil has alot more opportunities for a focus on quick decision making/strategical combat (formations and such). just being able to see your enemies for more than 3 seconds without one of you dying, and being unable to be killed by something from across the map is a huge boon. however, it's much more limited in what it can do for different types of gameplay. No long-ranged squads of artillery, no conventional vehicles, no complex logistical chains, no industry hubs, etc etc. we will see.
If they keep with the same frequency and quality of updates in Foxhole for the foreseeable future then I can see why it's better moving to a new game. I hope they continue to learn from their experiences and communicate a bit better with players.
I don't care much for the medieval setting I am a sucker for gun warfare whether that be Napoleonic early 20th century or more modern warfare despite that I will play Anvil. I do hope that they make a foxhole 2 in what will probably close to a decade from now I love that setting and with the new tech they could hopefully do it even better one day.
Is Foxhole worth playing? I've just picked it up but have heard such conflicting things about both it's current state (player wise) and also it's community, people have said it's toxic towards new players and impossible to play if you're not part of a large pre-organised clan
Its not really like that, game was improved after the last update and most are willing to help a new player out. As long as youre not fragging teammates you'll do fine.
People talking about it taking resources away clearly haven't seen what the Devs have posted. It's an entirely different team working on it. "Anvil Empires is being developed by a separate division within Siege Camp. The Foxhole team will continue to support and expand on Foxhole for many years to come with new features, content, and improvements." A direct quote from the dev team. They're clearly not giving up support on Foxhole, they're just diversifying their portfolio like any good company will do. Foxhole is awesome, but it's not fun. I've played for 10 hours straight, and held the line from constant enemy attacks only to hand command over to a french legion, and wake up to news my frontline fell within 30 minutes. (True story, never trusted the French again.) At least with this medieval game, it sounds like I'll be able to make my own town with my friends, and trade with larger clans for resources. Instead of in foxhole being almost forced to join a company, or be left out of 90% of the gameplay loop. Why would I play Logi for a company I'm forced to interact with, compared to farming resources where larger groups have to negotiate with me to supply their army?
I don't mind the timing. Im just very sceptic to the theme and what it can deliver in gameplay. Everything will be a lot more limited in terms of what's available.
i think the foxhole players the prefer the world war 2 setting will remain. personally i like foxhole but im more into medival style of games so i might switch to this game
Its an incredibly smart idea. Gamers are constantly fluctuating between wanting guns or swords every 2 years or so. Now they just have to incorporate the right internal logistics to not cannibalize the player base of each and they're golden.
i have really mixed fealings about it . on paper i do agree that medieval would be interesting to see but nobody will play it if its not quality wise atleast similiar to foxhole which said foxhole they have worked on for years . on the tec part i don't think iit was really a limitation for foxhole . the game simply doesn't have the playerbase for 120v120 per tile to really be a problem neither i think that even if anvil goes well that it will reach atleast in the first few years the playerbase to make the 1000v1000 per tile noticeable at all. hoping for the best
This is what eventually will happen in the future. Trust me it will come. Either Siege Camp in 5 years time or some other company. Imho Siege Camp are ahead of the curve: MOBA -> Battle Royale -> "Guild Wars" Anvil Empires has a good chance of being successful, popular and fun but there's also a chance it misses the mark. The main thing is imho the design and tech are ahead of the curve in the market so they have a good chance to go big. If they do with Medieval setting next stage is a big IP eg Sci-Fi via WH40K with Foxhole = 2-Factions, Anvil Empires = 3-Factions, WH40K = Multi-Factions (something like 12?) That's when Guild Wars will explode as the current big genre.
I believe you have it somewhat backwards. Foxhole isn’t a testbed for Anvil - Anvil is a testbed for Foxhole’s sequel. You said it yourself, the Unreal Engine has limits - but their new engine fixes many of these limits. Could you imagine just how amazing Foxhole would be if it ran on the same engine as Anvil? It already has things like Horses that Foxhole lacks - it can in all likelihood do everything Foxhole can, but better. I theorize Foxhole 2 will be made in this engine - using all the same mechanics and assets of Foxhole 1 but vastly improved thanks to the new freedoms this engine provides.
Do you think now is the time for Anvil? Do you agree that Foxhole has reached its limits in terms of Capacity? (not content)
BTW there were plenty of other examples for my points i could have thrown in but life is busy and the announcement caught me on the backfoot. Like for example, another reason potentially for the medieval setting is to keep engagement ranges shorter, so that more people would be in closer proximity to actually communicate with each other. That sort of thing.
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I think yes as in foxhole isn’t going to experience a lot of growth as it’s community is one of a kind.
For example when summit played and although it increased for a time it went back to normal
Feel like foxhole can do with a rebuild onto the new engine.
That would fix the queue issues.
i wish that if Anvil is a success, Foxhole will get a sequel or a ground-up renovation with the Anvil R2 engine
So much this. Foxhole I think is near its limit of what they can achieve in the engine. If they can get Anvil to work they can do so much more in a possible foxhole 2.
yeah, i would like to see that
Foxhole 2 in R2 would allow many things like aircraft and a higher player count. If amville is needed as a stepping stone to get to anville to I will buy a copy and will play but my heart stays with foxhole.
100% with you there
I would honestly prefer a sequel that gets sold over a engine change of Foxhole for free. The pay once sales model doesn't seem sustainable otherwise.
im not worried about this game taking resources from foxhole development, im worried about this game cannibalizing players from foxhole because they are both so similar in the economy aspect. Why should i play logi when i could go build a farm in this game?
Agreed. Foxhole has exited early access, so we just have to pray that when the Devs do inevitably stop giving the game updates, they balance out all the issues the best they can. As for players, I'm not too worried, but I see your point. But think of it like Coke and Fanta, both made by the same company, similar in characteristics, but different products altogether. Now anyone would get tired of drinking Coke for 6 months straight, so they try to find a new beverage, maybe like Fanta. Then they may get sick of it after 6 months, so they switch back to Coke.
Point is, everyone loves and hates Foxhole, and everyone gets equally as burnt out and drops the game when they get tired of it. But eventually they come around, maybe around some big update, and pick it up again. Maybe it's burnout from the community or from the setting, so they just get tired and drop it. Hopefully Anvil Empires acts as a new flavour with a familiar taste.
Who wants to be a farmer, i would rather scroop and make tanks
ive been playing foxhole from the start, its time for something new! Give the developers time to move on if they want to as well.
It all depends how the game is going to work. If building a farm is more fun than playing logi it could mean that logi players change games to Anvil since it's more fun to play as a farmer and it's essentially the same game but with different themes.
I wanna farm and fish I’ll feed the armies. Fuck it
I like the WW style of foxhole more, but if the new engine lives up to this im switching just based on the new game's tech.
Once Anvil comes out, I wouldn't be surprised if they start working on Foxhole 2. Taking in all the lessons they have learned and being able to apply them within their new engine, would be one hell of a game.
I think it makes sense. A lot of big games have a "shooter" and "melee" style. Elder Scrolls/Fallout. DragonAge/Mass Effect, ect. Foxhole will now have Anvil Empires, which is GREAT for Devs as the Medieval concept was begging to be made. Glad Siege Camp got it first
Foxhole is great, but Anvil can be much greater. I LOVE the medieval setting and this approach to this setting is completely new and i find it amazing
I think if you compare the concepts of anvil and foxhole together without the hindsight bias of understanding Foxholes limitations on U4 instead of R2, foxhole’s concept has a lot more “flagship game” potential. Based on the tech alone, anvil will be able to create more populated battles, and the cross faction vc will make the community less tribal and fragmented.
The commitment to no microtransactions pretty much ensures foxhole doesn’t get ported to R2 because from a business standpoint it doesn’t have as much profit potential. But in a perfect world I think the concept of foxhole has A LOT more potential
It be great if Anvil empires were the ancestors of what you see in foxhole.
A war between these 2 factions that been going on for ages... - Can you imagine a game like foxhole with 3 or 4 warring factions, that would be...
I hope the interface team will do a better job at making intuitive menus. Crafting as logi in foxhole was a turning point for many of my friends.
I smiled when I realised you put VC OST in the background.
Excellent break down as usual!
The one macro fundamental I always thought Foxhole lacked was geopolitics. Not voting for region-wide commanders or anything, but rather more factions and group agency like you see in EVE Online. Both world wars were rife with nations switching factions, geo-political maneuvering, and the cause-and-effect of everything playing out on a global scale. Because what's war but politics by other means? With Foxhole's two factions, the best we could get is dumb, regimental drama that constantly towed the line of breaking code of conduct.
It will be interesting to see Anvil tackle a real player sandbox, and like you, I'll be supporting these devs with checking it out. But damn, I just wish we could have gotten this true war sandbox in Foxhole. Maybe some day.
Presscorp conversion to town criers when?
“What’s war but politics by other means?” is such a beautiful quote, And i would also love to see them in game. I saw the three banners, does that mean there’s more than two factions? I’d love to get that amount of player involvement is the world not just the war
@@waffletracktor Gotta hand it to Clausewitz for that one
@@waffletracktor 3 factions. Pagans (Vikings), Ancients (Germanic Tribes/Celts) and Remnants (Dark age Romans/Byzantium)
Game Development is to some degree cyclic. Foxhole as a test bed for Anvil. Launch, play, develop. Anvil becomes the test bed for Foxhole 2, using the new R2 engine. Could you imagine Foxhole with 4 or 6 regions instead of dozens?
I think as a builder, I prefer to play Anvil and make cool villages, strongholds and keeps instead of making ugly bunkers that die to arty spam and needs 100zillion msupp.
Make sens ^^
Welcome to trebuchet spam.
@@Wzrd8 oh dear god, I hadn't thought of that.
funny to see them using green and blue
the collies and wardens have always been at it
There's also one thing that we should consider: Anvil Empires itself might also be a tech test. The devs, particularly the original Clapfoot crowd, went really in depth with its world building, and have shown a lot of passion for that IP.
So... why not start thinking of a "Foxhole 2" in the not too distant future? One that combines the technical prowess the team has achieved over the last few years, the multiplayer potential of the R2 engine, and the Foxhole IP that's where most of the Siege Camp fans love about the company.
But Foxhole 2 will have to greatly expand upon the current game, not just build the same game in the new engine. I'd love to see new maps and factions, for starters.
No far as I can tell Anvil here is their next game, they made a steam page for it, they're building hype for it, you know everything that goes into a new game. The tech tests have been done already, hell they been going on for years now and built the foundations for Anvil.
Also don't see them flat out making a Foxhole 2 at this point either, not like they need to either updates to Foxhole still works just fine. Really do not expect them to even start thinking about a sequel for many years to come.
@@TheDaris36 Don't just look at the short or mid term. A game take time to develop, and I do agree we won't see a Foxhole 2 any time soon.
That said, give it a few years. The devs won't be updating Foxhole forever. Sooner or later the team will move on to focus solely on Anvil for a bit, and their next project. As such, who knows. Maybe by 2026-27 we'll see Foxhole 2 come over the horizon.
You're pretty much spot on here. As confirmed in the latest Devblog: " - as we were approaching Pre-Alpha for Anvil Empires we were investigating solutions for local voice chat ... - the proposal was to have both Anvil Empires and Foxhole share infrastructure."
Local voice between ally and enemy is coming back to the game because they were exploring voice chat in Anvil Empires and figured out how to implement it into Foxhole. Now both games share the same infrastructure since the Vivox voice servers have upgraded to host more players in the same voice channel.
I imagine more upgrades like these will happen over time until Foxhole catches up with Anvil in terms of graphical and technical capabilities.
The voice chat is not the upgrade i thought they were going to tackle first but im glad it happened.
Cornering the market for these games I think. Someone will envetually come along and make "Foxhole but X" so why not do it themselves?
I disagree, Anvil isn’t just medieval foxhole, the only big thing they share is the top down camera. Aside from that it’s entirely different.
its called trenches
So does this mean in Anvil people will be 'mining' and chopping for resources like mindless slaves again?
a game studio working on a second game is sign of a healthy company, and a good future.
We need a cold war era Foxhole.
I worry for the future of Foxhole, but I'm excited for Anvil. I just hope Foxhole maintains a playable level of popularity.
This does make me wonder how Anvil might handle the whole Tech advancement thing that Foxhole has. maybe they'll just get rid of it. Or maybe they'll be able to cover the evolution of Medieval arms, and maybe even the emergence of early gunpowder weapons as late-game tech. Think early, clunky Bombards, Powder Keg sapping charges, Greek Fire, or even the Handcannon/Arquebus.
You can have a weapon advantage system:
Swords beats out Axes when it comes to swinging your weapons at the same time. Axes beats shields. Blunts exhausts the targets most if they block the force, and isn't negated by armor.
Spears and polearms out-ranges the smaller weapons, and has their use against Calvary or infantry.
Then add in ranged weapons like slings/staff-slings, bows/crossbows, and 'throwing' variants of melee weapons.
And even stuff like stationary cannons and hand cannons.
The trailer already shows progression from wooden pallisades all the way to stone walls. Siege equipment will have to change accordingly, etc.
*hello friend, is there any information when the test will be games* like put👍
уже хорошо что три фракции будет, будем ждать альфа тест, чтобы попробовать
3:49 Little off track for what the video is going for, but is "The Remnant" basically going to be the ancient Greeks & Romans of this new game?
From the description and shape of the shield, it really gives off the sense of "Just after the empire collapsed", y'know?
If the R2 Engine is ready, then the time is now.
Slight issue i see with Anvil is the balancing of ranged weapons such as bows and crossbows.
I know it might seem silly, but it took them a long time to balance out snipers in foxhole.
Yeah but armor.
Shields and shieldwalls is the main counter
@@saintpres4ge533 yes, but for example in warband or real life, it has it's durability. Many mechanics can be abused including a perfect shield. I am looking forward to the game.
@@ISawABear English Longbowmen at Agincourt are a good example of bow vs armour. Also crossbows were made for the very purpose. It's going to be an interesting journey methinks.
Arrows in real life are overpowerd tho
I cant wait to chant "grond" when then battering-ram arrives
This game is going to really enhance the grondset
My buddy told me about this game. I love medival games more than ww1-ww2 games so i will def play it.
I'm surprised they are announcing a new MMO so early after foxhole 1.0 instead of something about extending foxhole. I always figured they would make another game but I thought they would make an RTS. They already have all the assets and maps. A single player foxhole would be an easy sell.
RTS is a niche genre however. The combination of survival, base-building, PvP and MMO is probably a much bigger market of players. They have a lot the systems and designs to replicate and modify and update the tech to pull in more players to make a good game that sells well. That'd be my guess.
They dont want to make games simmilar to other i think they are doing insane shit and anvil will be off the charts...
@@commentarytalk1446 exatly easy sell as well
My concerns are that since this will be more melee oriented than foxhole, it might suffer more from clunky melee combat than foxhole. I also fear that tech would be limited in some aspects. For example, horse riding. Since there are only so many horse variations one can make: knights with swords, lances, long bow, etc. It'll be interesting to see how they work around it. At least with ww1 and ww2 the tech changed so drastically that options were almost limited less. Still, I think they would have been better off going more Sci fi on their next thing.
Maybe WH40K if they get the license with multi-factions in 5 years time?
You can't shoot a long bow from a horse lol, unless you're literally superman
John Highway its not about being super man, not even he could shoot a longbow fork a horse because its a matter of the horse getting in the way if the bow.
You can shoot similar poundage of bows from horseback but not long bows.
Solid video, but to clarify the R2 engine isn’t a game engine, it’s a server engine built on top of unreal engine.
Correct i should have clarrified, though my point about it being the beggest mechanical change from foxhole still stands
The next one has to be a Japanese feudal game... so we can banzai charge!
I'm cautiously optimistic, but I've seen other devs fall into this trap before. Diversifying away from your big game can lead to innovation and financial stability, but you have to make sure your new game is more than just a half-baked copy with an additional gimmick. Medieval Engineers (from the creators of Space Engineers) and Raid: WW2 (from the creators of Payday 2) are both particularly egregious examples of this.
As long as they try to innovate and make this game independently good, I'm hopeful
Well they build their own new engine for it, that allows things that foxhole just couldnt do
@Lu Lu True, a new engine is a great foundation to build and improve on. They just have to make sure the things they build on top of that foundation live up to that premise.
Verdun...
Med engi had real potential to add new technology to SE, and that was kind of how it was initially seen. But then it became clear it was just a pet project that would not be using some of the best features of SE.
I want to see how the combat and logi will work, because that will make or break this game.
Honestly I think there is little to worry about on that front. We’re talking about the same dev team so they probably learned a thing or two with Foxhole.
Even if they don’t get it perfect at first i think they’ll manage to fix and shuffle things around.
combat is gonna be much better than foxhole imho,just cause its much easier to implement a melee/shortrange gameplay
@@ppsarrakis if they don’t allow me to battle cry and say outlandish things like in Chivalry, I don’t want it
I would love to have a civil war mmo like this. Because the civil war camps were bad ass
The thought of this game is exciting. So much opportunity for Roleplay and World building. Epic battles to sieges.
my biggest hope is that with this new engine, foxhole gets rebuilt with larger maps and new capacities. I like the idea of anvil but foxhole is home.
devs already said they wont port over foxhole to the new engine, but we might see a foxhole 2 or a foxhole prequel
@@markauditor7873 that's what i meant if that wasn't clear
I'm still unsure if they intend us to be locked to the three factions or if we can run our own. I think these guys have what it takes to finally crack the code on full loot PVP with player built economies and factions MMO.
Look out New World
I study antiquity and medieval warfare almost daily, so personally, I couldn't be happier about this game. Foxhole just never scratched that itch that Anvil will. I use voicemeter banana to broadcast music or speeches through my headset crystal clear. Anvil Empires will be such a better game for that. Seriously can't wait for this game to release
I like the idea of 3 factions, I like the idea of stronghold building, kind of worried about the combat but they could surprise me
Maybe a stupid question, but why can't they just switch over to the new engine for foxhole? Would it just be to difficult?
With my limited knowledge on game engines and server engines, Foxhole's framework is tied directly in some capacities to their previous server engines, meaning most of the game would have to be re-written to update it at that point, its not merely a graphical upgrade.
idc what game you gonna make video about i'll still be watching and support !
i was actually wanting siege to make a medieval war game and they did, i will play it for sure
I do love that game devs even in this day and age actually allow themselves to do as their work title suggests and develop games and to me Anvil holds promise. It will be different to foxhole in many ways but doing the same thing one more time wouldn't be interesting. I think people tend to underestimate the development from say, the battle of Hastings to the 30 year war. Over time Anvil might get that broad
I love foxhole but two things are clear to me the tech used bring compromises that limits innovation and player cap. I stopped playing after the 1.0 update since it was impossible to even get in to the region to play with my friends and that pushed us towards other titles. The other is that foxhole will be around for a very, very long time yet.
Hmm do you think the devs would be open to the idea of using their new in-house and updating foxhole to utilize said engine or heck just release a sequel utilizing the new engine.
They would have to remake the game to fit the new engine. But i wouldmt put it past them in the future
@@ISawABear Yeah because as you mentioned the new engine would fix most if not all of the major hurdles they've had to compromise to make foxhole playable. Would be nice to see foxhole be at its max potential.
Anvil Empires can be a large development as to me it looks like the servers will be open forever and some people will play the game for months developing their own empires, experience wars, make their own unique diplomatic systems and hierarchies.
And as the devs can develop the game in two or more ways.
First, they can do it is to develop the game to a world scale with multiple continents.
Secondly, they can slowly develop new technologies for the player to receive over time like late medieval era man of war armor, or the renaissance era star fortifications and large bombards, to the industrial era with steam engines muskets and soon ww1 and ww2 era weaponry.
Another way is to add fantasy stuff to the games with dwarves, trolls, and dragons or even other stuff.
I think Anvil will attract completely different kind of players and that both games will do good. I only heard about Foxhole because of Anvil, since I prefer medieval games. But I see how interesting Foxhole looks like also, so players like me will for sure jump on board on one of or even both of this games.
This looks amazing. I can't get enough medieval mmo's
10:17 Jingles the Jihadist LOL
You say it's easier to balance, but it can be just as difficult with melee weapons. How fast can one attack with a certain sword vs it's damage (which a DPS score doesn't necessarily make apparent) then how will armor affect stamina and attack refresh times, the reach of some weapons against others, different arrowheads, the differences in bows when made of different materials or designs... and now you've got THREE factions with their own supposed flavors and combat doctrines they're supposed to favor...
sure, but i guess in the sense that i dont think there's going to be tanks, or battleships, APCs, there's just less overall things to deal with in total. so from that sense the balancing wont be as hard.
The factions themselves act as a balancing mechanic. If one factions is WAY overpowered, the other two are likely to gang up on them, negating any technological advantage they might have.
I love Foxhole's idea so I've tried it off and on even joining a regiment or two. Unfortunately, the WW1/2 setting just doesn't do it for me or my friend group very much so none of us were really grabbed by Foxhole. However, we love medieval fantasy type games so I'm very looking forward to Anvil Empires.
A Medieval setting is pretty cool, but it's been done a million times already. I'd be more interested if they picked some other time/location for this sort of mmo warfare game, like ancient mesopotamia, Greek/Persia, Rome, India or South America
lets see how demanding the logistics are and unchecked large clans are, that's what killed foxhole for me.
Been playing foxhole for like 3 years now, most of the time I'm on the logistics team which is painful and fun at the same time. For me its not a bad idea for the Devs to make a new game, I also got worries but we will see that in the future, my group will surely try this new one as a support team once more.
first-time viewer, i encourage you to start covering Anvil, the devs are pouring everything into it. It just might be the only continuation to what you've enjoyed so far. Also you really wouldn't have any competition lmao. You carry a formidable expertise in a "sibling of a game" and its development.
I think the player limit is actually ideal where it is. It helps balance inequalities in player counts at any given time in-hex, or overall faction size.
Right now, QRF stands a chance most of the time because the numbers aren't guaranteed to be ridiculously in one favor. It's somewhat balanced by total player amount
I would love a medieval style game with big ass sieges and battles!.
I didn't know it was a new engine, but yeah I had the same though the market for a medieval game is going to be as nowhere nearly as big as the one for Foxhole's setting. Even if it is a better game, Anvil will not sell as well as Foxhole. The only saving grace it has is that so much more has gone into its development already and experience the devs have had, versus Foxhole it was just so rudimentary to start with and had a lot of momentum to build to get where it is today.
Honestly, this is exciting, and I don't think Foxhole will become less popular, it's an entirely different flavor and style even if they share base core concepts, too many people love the world war aesthetic and insanely deep mechanics. Still stoked for this new one though
I feel like there are potentially more things you could do in a medieval environment vs a modern one. I've been developing a personal homebrew RPG where I added guns, they are cool in theory but a huge headache to balance along with the difficulty of adding variants without them feeling like any other instant win device.
Modern technology just nullifies too many problem solving strategies.
God really needs to nerf guns.
foxhole is getting near to the limits of its chosen quasi-historical era's tech, short of doing airships and airplanes which could be hard to integrate into a topdown perspective game. maybe horse concepts could even be backported into foxhole, im sure scouts/partisans/saboteurs could get some use out of horses.
Horse rushes at night or early game could be very effective.
I love your updates, as someone who loves Foxhole but doesn't always get the time to play it I love being kept up on it! I use your videos to try and update my friends on the new cool stuff too. I'd love to see the Anvil stuff to and I 100% am going to grab that game as soon as I can!
выглядит круто конечно, но тут вопрос? как будет играться конница? так как конь не танк, это танк может проутюжить окоп с пулемёта и пушки, а что будет тут? явно же если в игре будет возможность копать рвы, ямы и подобные объекты, то у нас будет либо лютая окопная бойня в куче траншей, и каменных надолбов в виде стен. Как выйдет конечно нужно будет смотреть на это всё, но думаю кавалерия будет скорее как транспорт, нежели полноценная боевая единица.
it looks cool of course, but here's the question? how will the cavalry be played? since the horse is not a tank, this tank can iron a trench with a machine gun and a cannon, but what will happen here? obviously, if the game has the opportunity to dig ditches, pits and similar objects, then we will either have a fierce trench slaughter in a pile of trenches, and stone gouges in the form of walls. As it comes out, of course, you will need to look at it all, but I think the cavalry will be more like a transport than a full-fledged combat unit.
The facility thing actually increased the amount of people at the frontline.
Why would you make ammo for the frontline in some backline facility when you can just make it at the frontline.
So instead of being in the backline for a day or two to make enough stuff to fill a ship , you're now at the frontline hex the entire time.
As a thorough enjoyer of WWI and Medieval style games, i hope both do extremely well, especially Anvil, it looks incredible and the fact they made it a thousand each team is amazing, the sieges and battle will be the most incredible and chaotic things in that game, i guarantee, sadly though i will never be able to play them
Why not?
@@stefferful long story but basically my right arm is kinda f@cked, i cannot fully extend my arm and i cannot fully manipulate my hand which obv makes it harder to play certain games on pc, i can play on console like i can play games like R6, cod and bf but if i tried to play games like that on pc i'd be completely f@cked due to the fact i cannot move without putting my entire hand over the button i want to press it or shoot without extreme difficulty of putting pressure on the mouse button.
And i don't think siege camp will release Foxhole or Anvil onto console for a very long time, some people will say: just connect your controller, i have tried it, it hasn't worked so far, unsure if its because im doing something wrong or its because of my pc.
It looks like Fxhl and Anvil aren't that hard to play in terms of movement for me but im not a 100% sure, i have thought the same with other games and proven wrong
@@hellhoundgaming3410 you need to look into a key mapper for disabled users. They can make any game controller usable.
Am FREEKIN STOKED!!! I can totally imagine. Setting off by myself. Building small homestead. Producing a small surplus, having a larger, organized guild come and demand fealty to keep my homestead... Then granting me access to their markets, tools, people and resources. And seeing my goods submitted to the market and playing into the machine that goes into the field to take the next fortress.
Make! IT! Happen!!!!
Until some little group decides that they want to commit arson and burns your whole settlement down while you’re offline. I admittedly don’t know how this game will actually function whatsoever, but if it’s anything like Foxhole.. the worries don’t stop once you log off
@@infinitekarma4949 sounds like the game rust
I think is really good time for ANVIL. As you say don't keep the eggs in the same basket.
There is a different team working on both game so why not doing it, Foxhole 1.0 is out time to make a new project. And they are keeping Foxhole in developpement witch is cool from them.
Foxhole for me is done and just need balancing. But the business system of the dev is to add more stuff to get hype and sell more keys of the game.
Personaly i think is to much stuff in foxhole and maybe some direction the dev choice in the past make foxhole a really difficult game to play time to time.
Maybe a big war more casual will be appreciate by many players. And be able to switch to ww1 / ww2 to medieval environement is a cool feeling.
I don't expect to much for now from ANVIL is a new game different team.
I hope they will not do the asymetric system to much, that make the balance of the game very difficult and frustating.
i hope my english is good enough and undestandable
It was, thank you!
It will be neat to see how fighting over resources.
Are peasants faction locked and to be killed so your own farmers can till the land, or are they to be left alive, thier aligence transferring to the new landlord?
From what I've heard military and war game players and possibly online guilds are all drawn to Foxhole as a customer base and it's proved very popular with these markets of players?
My guess is that a Medieval style game could tap more directly into video-game players across a lot of genres? I've seen games such as Banished (and number of similar other indie games) where players build little settlements in the wilds and the people are AI workers but it's obviously limited but the concept is appealing. Or I've seen MMOs such as Life Is Feudal or Gloria Victus where they provide more combat focus with large avatars but a lot of people find the idea of a player-driven worlds where the players stack systems to build up their power attractive (but these games are grindy and have so many technical issues and low pops). There's other games that segue into this.
I'd tentatively say there's a good market potential that's worth tapping. The basic formula Siege Camp have got right with Foxhole, they can iterate and optimize it for example work on ways to make players have more personal input as well as enjoy the team aspect and then perhaps make the whole spectacle of large battles look more exciting and captivating which might look great on twitch and the like?
So on timing and extending from Foxhole with 2 teams, it's the right business decision: Nothing is guaranteed but I'd guess the conditions suggest there's some big market growth to be had and that's how businesses should work to make profits and invest successfully. It looks like a step up from Albion online which has done well with more limited scale of battles for example.
A lot of points about the game engine are not correct.
For reference, R2 Is not a game engine, it is a server engine. Anvil is made and runs on UE5.
Considering the fact that foxhole and anvil run on both different game and server engines, it is unlikely that any features will ever be ported between one another. This was what the devs said earlier in development.
Anvil is meant to be an entirely different beast than foxhole, it has a different scale, a different audience and theme. Different systems and also different player expectations. I dont think it is fair to compare it to Foxhole, it is akin to comparing apples and oranges. Sure they are both fruits but that is about where the similarities end.
Yes sorry, this is true although i wasnt uver specific due to the script re-writes for this video. But i wasnt technically wrong either since anvil is on R2 and foxhole is not. So ill take it.
Thank you, was looking for this comment!
I think its a good sign that anvil is coming out now and I really hope they have high ambition for the project.
Grats, now I wanna roll around in a partisan halftrack or LUV again....also going to have to be a dirty raider in Anvil.
Foxhole is for military fans like word war military fans and logistics, and this one anvil is more to casual players for medieval era and fantasy! SO i think will be good to have it and make another community around it will help em develop more on foxhole and maybe another foxhole 2 or a game based on sci-fi inspired from star wars or robots on a planets
i liked to play foxhole even if its getting more complicated after each big update and that i have only 30h in it.
haven't played it for a year or so after the flamethrowers came but like that you have trains in it and the arty :D but the a medieval game looks really nice.
love games in that time too so i look forward to it.
I for one am SO excited.
personally im excited for this game
Foxhole is done, every product have it's lifespam, and the dev needs a new revenue source. That's absolute normal. Anvil looks great and refreshing.
Tell that to Skyrim :P
@@ISawABear Skyrim is a Single Player game with a huge ammount of tools to mod the whole experience, which is far more simple to expand the replayability. You can’t do that with the same depth in foxhole.
Don’t be a fanboy. There’s not much to add to foxhole anyway.
tell that to runescape
@@xplodrox Foxhole will never be complete until I get my planes. Give me planes or give me death!
@@infinitekarma4949 oh, that’s true, but I don’t think planes will fit properly in the game without severe code changes.
I wouldn't mind a Lord of the Rings setting game, using foxhole or anvels engine as a basic foundation. But either way I wish both games to do great
Im sure the modders are already working on ideas
ive been thinking about getting foxhole and watcher some videos. i saw that 3 server thing which is causing problems with player count and that each server just has one dominant faction or no noone playing it at all.
so my question is if it does actually make sense to get the game or will i just be disappointed? im sure the game is great but is it able to show me its greatness?
anvil has alot more opportunities for a focus on quick decision making/strategical combat (formations and such). just being able to see your enemies for more than 3 seconds without one of you dying, and being unable to be killed by something from across the map is a huge boon.
however, it's much more limited in what it can do for different types of gameplay. No long-ranged squads of artillery, no conventional vehicles, no complex logistical chains, no industry hubs, etc etc. we will see.
If they keep with the same frequency and quality of updates in Foxhole for the foreseeable future then I can see why it's better moving to a new game. I hope they continue to learn from their experiences and communicate a bit better with players.
This looks super cool if it’s what I think it is
I don't care much for the medieval setting I am a sucker for gun warfare whether that be Napoleonic early 20th century or more modern warfare despite that I will play Anvil. I do hope that they make a foxhole 2 in what will probably close to a decade from now I love that setting and with the new tech they could hopefully do it even better one day.
Anvil is going to drop and I will be the guy who sets up his own little homestead to live his days out during the raging wars around the realm..
Is Foxhole worth playing? I've just picked it up but have heard such conflicting things about both it's current state (player wise) and also it's community, people have said it's toxic towards new players and impossible to play if you're not part of a large pre-organised clan
Its not really like that, game was improved after the last update and most are willing to help a new player out. As long as youre not fragging teammates you'll do fine.
good video. personaly i hope both games does well. and i hope foxhole can benefit from lessons learned whit Anvil in the future
Imagine an era where explosions never happen - Anvil
People talking about it taking resources away clearly haven't seen what the Devs have posted. It's an entirely different team working on it.
"Anvil Empires is being developed by a separate division within Siege Camp. The Foxhole team will continue to support and expand on Foxhole for many years to come with new features, content, and improvements." A direct quote from the dev team. They're clearly not giving up support on Foxhole, they're just diversifying their portfolio like any good company will do.
Foxhole is awesome, but it's not fun. I've played for 10 hours straight, and held the line from constant enemy attacks only to hand command over to a french legion, and wake up to news my frontline fell within 30 minutes. (True story, never trusted the French again.) At least with this medieval game, it sounds like I'll be able to make my own town with my friends, and trade with larger clans for resources. Instead of in foxhole being almost forced to join a company, or be left out of 90% of the gameplay loop.
Why would I play Logi for a company I'm forced to interact with, compared to farming resources where larger groups have to negotiate with me to supply their army?
I hope I can just be a poor farmer who gets his home destroyed because I didn’t pay 99.99999999999999999% of my crop to the local lord
I don't mind the timing. Im just very sceptic to the theme and what it can deliver in gameplay. Everything will be a lot more limited in terms of what's available.
Could be a blessing could be a curse
i think the foxhole players the prefer the world war 2 setting will remain. personally i like foxhole but im more into medival style of games so i might switch to this game
I like foxhole, but im very interested in medieval era so I would really like to play game in this setting
Its an incredibly smart idea. Gamers are constantly fluctuating between wanting guns or swords every 2 years or so.
Now they just have to incorporate the right internal logistics to not cannibalize the player base of each and they're golden.
Anvil will be a game changer❤
I'm definitely interested... I'm just worried alts will be stealing our grain instead of my bmats
Great idea but trying to get people to lime up in formation will be hard 😂
See the footage people have already posted its sort of happening already
@@ISawABear well we will see what happens
i have really mixed fealings about it . on paper i do agree that medieval would be interesting to see but nobody will play it if its not quality wise atleast similiar to foxhole which said foxhole they have worked on for years . on the tec part i don't think iit was really a limitation for foxhole . the game simply doesn't have the playerbase for 120v120 per tile to really be a problem neither i think that even if anvil goes well that it will reach atleast in the first few years the playerbase to make the 1000v1000 per tile noticeable at all. hoping for the best
Maybe that's true, but I hope it's not. I love the medieval Era games and this could be my next favorite game.
What would want is a foxhole where you start with sticks and stones and then somehow managed to advance your tech to Ww2.
Wishing for Games Workshop to license 40k to Siege Camp... another income source and another game portfolio... :D
This is what eventually will happen in the future. Trust me it will come. Either Siege Camp in 5 years time or some other company. Imho Siege Camp are ahead of the curve: MOBA -> Battle Royale -> "Guild Wars"
Anvil Empires has a good chance of being successful, popular and fun but there's also a chance it misses the mark. The main thing is imho the design and tech are ahead of the curve in the market so they have a good chance to go big. If they do with Medieval setting next stage is a big IP eg Sci-Fi via WH40K with Foxhole = 2-Factions, Anvil Empires = 3-Factions, WH40K = Multi-Factions (something like 12?) That's when Guild Wars will explode as the current big genre.
I believe you have it somewhat backwards. Foxhole isn’t a testbed for Anvil - Anvil is a testbed for Foxhole’s sequel.
You said it yourself, the Unreal Engine has limits - but their new engine fixes many of these limits. Could you imagine just how amazing Foxhole would be if it ran on the same engine as Anvil? It already has things like Horses that Foxhole lacks - it can in all likelihood do everything Foxhole can, but better. I theorize Foxhole 2 will be made in this engine - using all the same mechanics and assets of Foxhole 1 but vastly improved thanks to the new freedoms this engine provides.