@@ryukishi8492 The way Sonja's Body moved by the inpact doesnt fit with getting killed by a dagger. The ammount of force which Ganondorf put in the killing blow would have penetrated her entire Torso if it was a Dagger.
there is the saying: those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. and this game's general story seems to mirror ocarina of time. i think it is fair to say that hyrule lost the records of what had happend in the past and thus a repeat occured (sorry if this seems like a rambling. im dutch and this was just a theory that popped in my head)
The Demon Tribe's curse has ensured that the people of Hyrule will _forever_ forget their ancient history so that new reincarnations of Ganondorf may be born without any knowledge of the past helping the current Link and Zelda of the Era in how to defeat him.
Probably the same...? I mean Ganondorf would still have been sealed for thousands of years anyway so wether he would have knowledge of Link or not wouldn't have prevented his Calamity Ganon creation from showing up in the following millenia and leading the Ancient Hero and Hero of the Wild to fulfill their roles in their respective Eras.
@@javiervasquez625 I more mean it was stupid of Rauru to just TELL Ganondorf what their trump card in the future was just because he was certain it would work. If I had just lost a 7v1 and had to sacrifice myself just to make him stop using I would NOT start mouthing off my backup plan lol
@@MoonlitWenny I guess you're right haha i personally saw Rauru's revelation of Link's existence as a salty "you're screwed" remark to Ganondorf as revenge for Sonia's death. From a purely emotional stance i can understand why Rauru chose to spill the beans like that but you're right in that it would have been smarter to have kept his mouth shut so that Link would keep the surprise element by the time he would meet Ganondorf face to face.
The was the point. Rauru and Ganandorf are foils to each other. But they are also similar to each other in their hubris, and it’s that hubris that would be their downfall.
My own personal opinion on the whole "refounding of Hyrule" is that the Zonai are the descendants of Skyloftians that stayed in the sky. Over the Course of the series they were cut off and developed their own history, hence why this is the first we are hearing about them. Some time after the branch timeline converges they descend, either out of curiosity or desire to reunite with their long lost kin the Hylians, and by then the history of Hyrule, the triforce, everything had been forgotten, so the Zonai introduce a sort of historical renaissance for the surface world, founding the new kingdom of Hyrule.
That's such an interesting take! Sadly I believe the presence of Zonai tech in Skyward Sword and the implication that they've already been down there ages ago kind of contradicts that
I don't think Rauru's hand falling off of Ganondorf's corpse right when Zelda and Link enter is a coincidence. I think Rauru's conciousness is still present and he deliberately lets go and fully dies when the hero he has been waiting for arrives.
it's like a breath of air. He saw Zelda, presumed the dude with her was her Link, and was like "*sigh* he's here. I can rest." and that was the final bit that let him die. then he saw the crap fest that lost link's arm and the sword and mustered JUST enough life to save Link's.
Strange that Twinrova stay background throughout TotK. They are not even around as a part of Ganondorf’s army. Imagine them wielding Scimitar’s made from fire and ice Lizalfos horns, Ruby and sapphire gem’s wands, and Dinraal and Naydra Horned-Swords. Missed potential.
Personal headcanon here: they were originally going to be the bosses of the new Spirit Temple keeping Mineru's spirit imprisoned as part of a plan to learn to control her Constructs but due to time constraints during development the Zelda team was unnable to fully incorporate them into the story in time leading to a simple easter egg instead.
Your actually quite on a roll here, In fact, lets add on to this. Kotake and Koume are Witches, Normally witches make pacts witch dark beings to maintain their powers. Dark beings like demons. So Heres my addition to your theory, They Made a Pact with Demise to maintain his curse by "Forming a bond" with him as Twinrova and They Spawn his Heir every 100 years.
Demise is a "bunshin" in the japanese localization of Skyward Sword so he's NOT the "Big Bad" of the Zelda franchise. Rather it's the _Demon Tribe_ which spawned him as an "extension" of themselves to carry the title of "Demon King" and oppose the God Tribe only mentioned in the japanese localization of the Skyward Sword. If Koume and Kotake did in fact make a pact with a dark being it must have been someone else as Demise died *for good* with no means to return. ¿How would they be able to "spawn" Ganondorf though...? I hope you don't mean they are literal _biological_ mothers of Ganondorf for i can't imagine how weird and convoluted it would be for 2 women to fuse with one another in order to carry a "demon child" in their womb for 9 months before becoming seperate afterwards. That's a little too farfetched to be plausible.
@@javiervasquez625 Demise created the Demon Tribe all monsters that are a part of the Demon tribe are born of his Malice also Demise may be dead but his hatred which is basically his essence reincarnates as long as Zelda and the Hero exist Magic can do a lot of crazy things like create an artificial Gerudo male with insane power they don't have to become pregnant
@@Hallow6262 Accurate translation of "Demise" related dialogues in the *japanese* version of Skyward Sword: _... Omae ga megami no kishi ka..._ So! You are the Goddess' knight, then...? _Soshite..._ And... _... Awarena._ How pitiful. _Ware wo nossuru tame to wa ie ningen nado ni narihateka..._ Even if she claims it was for the sake of eluding me, she went to the extreme of becoming a mere human... _Ano kedataku ririshikatta megami Hairia ga na..._ Even that the brave and so-prideful Goddess Hylia went to such ends... _... Hou. Omae mo ano ningen mo megami wo tasukeyou to iu no ka?_ Hum. So both you and that human want to help the Goddess, you mean to say? _Omoshiroina... Ware no shiru ningendomo wa hitori nokorazu naki wameki himei wo ageru kotoshika dekinu yowaki sonzai dattaga._ Interesting... The humans I know of are all weak existances which are unable to do anything else except weeping and shouting out screams. _Ware tono tatakai demo hamukaisurasezu megami ni sugari tsuiteita ningen... Ano okubyoumonodomo no matsuei ga na._ So, even if you intend to battle me, you are no more but a human sheltered by the Goddess which tries to strike me... A mere descendant of that herd of cowards... _Masumasumotte omoshiroi. Hito ga ware ni tatakai wo idomou to wa..._ Really interesting. A human intends to challenge me to a battle... _Iidarou. Jaama ga hairenu basho de aite weyarou. Sono yuuki ga aru no narabana._ Fine. I shall face you in place where no-one shall get in the way. If you really have such courage to go for it, then. _Inochi wo oshimu naraba nigedae mo kamawan. Ware ga yo wo shihaisuru made no wazukana jikan wo ningenrashiku nakikuru ga ii... Daga mazoku no yo ni aragau i ga aru to iunonara... Ware no ato wo ottekoi. Sukoshi deareba matteiyarou..._ I do not care if you value your life and run away. Go ahead and weep like a human during the little time left before I rule the world... But if you claim of having the courage to step into the Demon Tribe's world, then... Come after me. I shall wait for a little while. When you go to defeat him: _Hou... Kitaka. Kakugo wa dekiteiru you da na ningen..._ Hum... You came. You seem to be be prepared, human... _Yoku miteoke. Kore ga omae no manako ni utsuru saigo no keshiki to naru..._ Contemplate. This shall become the last scenery to be engraved in your sight... _Kami no ichizoku no nagaki urami... Waga chikara wo kaihou suru yorokobi..._ The flowing hatred towards the Gods' Tribe... The joy which comes with the release of my power... _Subete wo omae ni tatakitsuketeyarou._ I shall discharge all of them into you. _Omae ga ware no mae ni dorehodo no toki tatteirareru no ka... Sukoshi tanoshimasetekureyo?_ I wonder how much time you will last standing against me... Will you try to make it interesting? _Sekai wa imayori gaga shihaika ni okareu!_ The world shall now submit to my ruling! _Ware ni sabamuku orokanamonodomo wa ichizoku routou mina kono daichi yori keshisattekureruwa!!_ Those foolish herds which oppose me... Their tribes, their members... All shall be wiped out from this Land!! _Soe ano bannou no chikara..._ And when I possess the absolute power... _Torfaifoosu wo waga te ni osame..._ When I possess the Triforce... _Mirai eikou mazoku no shihaisuru yo wo!!_ The world's future shall be forever ruled by the Demon Tribe!! What Fi says about Demise: _Chuushiku taishou no meishou Shuuen no Mono._ The name of the targeted object is "Tyrannical Being". _Toki wo koe zettaitekina sonzaitoe aritsutsuketeiru ma no kongen desu._ A totally overwhelming existence which has overcome Time itself and is the origin of the ever-so-present "Demons"... _Sono sugata wa mirumono ni yotte chigau tomo jidai ni yotte chigau tomo iitsutaerareteimasu._ It is said that its form varies according to the era and the one who witnesses it. What Demise says when you defeat him: _Ningen yo! Ware wo ryousgasehi, tsuyoki ningen yo!!_ Human! Having been able to overcome me... You are a strong human!! _... Migoto da. Daga oboeteoke. Kore wa owari de wa nai..._ Splendid. But, remember... This is not over... _Ware no zouo wa... Mazoku no noroi wa... Yuukyuu no toki no hatemade rinne wo egaku._ My hatred... The curse of the *Demon Tribe...* They shall continously go on reincarnating until the end of all times. _Wasurena! Kurikaesu no da!!_ Do not forget it! I shall repeat it!! _Omaetachi wa... Megami no chi to yuusha no tamashii wo motsumonodomo wa towa ni kono jubaku kara nogarerarenu!_ You people shall... You people who possess the blood of the Goddess and the soul of hero shall... forever be unable to escape from this curse! _Kono zouo to onnen ga... Sono konke ga kisamara to tomo ni chinerareta yami no umi wo eien ni mogaki samayoi tsuzukeru no da!!_ This hatred and grudge... Its evolution shall forever painfully wander across this blood-stained "Dark Sea" along with you lowlifes forever!! Finally, here's a note from the translator on Demise's "name" in Japanese: "Shueen" normally means "end" or "apocalypse", so it should be the "Apocalyptic One". Yet when Zelda speaks of him during your reunion in the past (Hylia's Temple) she mentions his name in the context of "The Shuuen no Mono which desired to rule the world". There, according to my Japanese teacher (a Japanese from Oosaka himself) told me that there was a trick: given how this guy wanted to "rule" then the meaning changed to that of "ruler" or "tyrant", so "Tyrannical Being" is a correct translation. In short: in Japan he's known as either "Demon King" or "Tyrannical Being" yet he doesn't have a "name" per se (because he's a "bunshin" CREATED by the Demon Tribe). As you can see in the accurate translation above the "Tyrannical Being" did NOT CREATE the Demon Tribe: it was _the other way around._
@@Hallow6262 ¿Did someone just give you a like while completley _ignoring_ the comment bellow which prooves how utterly WRONG you are...? ¿What's wrong with Humanity? 😔😩
A real shame that Nintendo, Fujibayashi and Aonuma decided not to put Twinrova for a boss battle. She would’ve fit well in the Temple of Spirit. Kotake and Koume’s shoulder sashes as well as Ganondorf’s weapons. Let alone made a brief of his surrogate mothers standing by the Gerudo King’s side in two Dragon Tear Memories.
I think they would have been great as the Hyrule castle boss as well. It would have been neat to have them be the Zelda imposters instead of just another phantom
Not a bad point, i probably would've preferred that over that corrupted construct. The only problem is that Kotake and Koume were alive 10s of thousands of years ago, so for TotK, would Ganondorf just have brought them back from the dead as "Zombies"? Bc if that is the case, then they would have fit better as the Gibdo Queen boss for the Lightning Temple.
@@Zerolink30 Eh, they could have made up anything to justify. Like, maybe they froze themselvems or something. Though zombie might actually be cool too, since it could fit the whole crypt theme of the Lightning temple, and since we dont fight zombie ganondorf, it wouldn;t be a repeat
@blstuff yeah i guess for the most powerful Gerudo witches, finding a magic that would put them in "cryo-sleep" until Ganondorf reawakens wouldn't have been too hard. But we also can't rule out that they were probably killed during the Imprisoning War.
Great take on Kotake/Koume. Seems like they have to be there for Ganondorf to be born and rise Not sure if you were joking about the punch, but it's likely that he just left his weapon stuck inside her back. This cutscene in general is a cool throwback to Ganondorf being an assassin and already possessing a dagger in OoT, even if not using it in any fights or cutscenes Still not 100% sold on the ear thing since it reads a bit like a typical Nintendo afterthought to explain away inconsistencies. They definitely should have put more and better hints in TotK to make the series more cohesive. A lot of wasted potential there
Actually, your Twinrova theory makes sense. It would also make sense as no male Gerudo has been born since Ganondorf was sealed. Because if he's still alive, no one can resurrect him/rebirth him.
I like this a lot as it answers a question we’ve all had about ganondorf’s parentage, and explains his motivations. Like yes he is evil, and he is there to be evil, but he was created to be evil by twinrova, aka demise. Which is what demise’s curse is all about. A never ending cycle, a hatred for good. Twinrova keeps coming back so ganondorf keeps coming back. Even if it takes several millennia to do so.
Why were they underground when they fought Ganondorf in the Imprisoning War (remember the castle wasnt built yet)? What was there that was important that Ganondorf was after? 🤔
@@BanditGames Right? My guess is that the tree that Ganondorf ends up sitting in waiting for Link for the final boss was like a giant lightroot empowering the other 120 lightroots and Ganondorf wanted to spread his Gloom throughout the world via the tree.
@@kNOwYouAndMe Now that is one epic plotline that i wish had been brought up during the story to make Ganondorf an active villain with _schemes_ to outsmart the Heroes rather than the generic lazy badguy who sits on a throne waiting for Link to come along and kick his butt for the millionth time. Funny how Ocarina of Time Ganondorf is STILL the most proactive incarnation in the entire series.
Since Ganondorf used the gloom roots to restore his strength, I’d say the most logical answer is that Ganondorf traveled to that underground chamber before being confronted by Rauru and his Sages to strengthen his magic even further?
You point out the two mother thing and Ganondorf being a baby born from their magic with no father. But what are the odds that they instead fused together to have a child with a Voe meaning that Ganondorf did come out of both when they were Twin Rova making him as strong as her instead of one of sister birthing Ganondorf.
This video represents exactly why your videos have deepened my love for Zelda. You delivery is genuine and honest. You research and you theorize so diligently. And you're hilarious. I am so proud that we did this book together and even more so honored to call you a friend. Thank you
I love it when he starts with: "I Zelda game without..." and talks about food combinations LOL. Also, I love your deliverance in Zelda related content... Keep up the Good Work.
I always assumed the combined twinrova gave birth to Ganondorf and the split forms were surrogates because the fused form was it's own entity and the true mother.
This is the video I've been waiting for 17 years ! I love the Gerudos, I love Ganondorf, and I LOVE theorizing about his origins and its implications with Gerudo people/culture. PS : HAVE YOU SEEN HIS HORSE ?!? I wanted a horseman battle so much !! I respect that Nintendo won't do a DLC just for the sake of it, but man I would have loved more content on Ganondorf and Koume & Koutake.
it could just be a dragon break basically, all 3 timelines merging back into one since, yes, there's a crap ton of sea salt everywhere but all they mention twilight in that meeting of link, Zelda & the champions of the divine beasts and also tears of the kingdom, showing all of the replica outfit stuff like majora's mask & midna's mask peice to actually be real
A theory that I have is no matter what timeline it is there will always be a Great War that caused Zelda, Link, and Ganondorf to be in a form of disrepair. Which caused the goddesses to finally realize maybe it wasn’t the best to allow Ganondorf to keep the Triforce of power so they took that and fuses the other two Triforce pieces to fuse with Zelda and Link. They then told their descendants to go down there and watch over Hyrule. They wanted to make sure Ganondorf never got power again but obviously they failed.
"he must have had a father and one mother, but that doesn't make sense because he has two mothers unless-" they conceived him and gave birth to him while they were fused together. Oh we're actually not going down that path... right of course, don't mind me lmao
I thought of it in my head as like maybe one Twinrova witch can reproduce with male organs while the other can with female organs, and they give birth in their fused form to make sure he has twice the power or some wierd witchcraft. Sounds sick and gross 😝 but is a historically funny way of theorizing how Ganondorf could be born, LMAO! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
05:40 the hand NEEDS to fall, otherwise Zelda would not pick up the stone and travel back to advice the sages, turn into a dragon, defeat dragon ganondorf. If that didn’t happen it would break the entire time travel scope 🤷♂️. I’d asume the hand/spirit recognizes Zelda and let’s go as it understands “it was in his moment she was destined to travel back”.
It's a good theory, and if you use the calamity as a backdrop and the Sonia and Rarau's kid or descendant is the one in the calamity rug then maybe hyrule's founding in TotK is 20,000 years prior to BotW, but also 10,000 years or something similar after the other timelines. Just my own slight theory.
No way Rauru and Sonia's child was a Link why do think that's a possibility? No incarnation of the Hero has _ever_ been born Royalty so i see no logical reason why they should now especially with the recent Hero of the Wild been born as a simple commoner with no ties to the Zonai Royal Family.
I do like the idea of twinrova being the reincarnated beings. With them recreating ganondorf repeatedly every time, basically dragging the piece of demise back to life every time. It would make sense too. Step 1 create a spell that causes your spirits to be reborn into twin gerudo girls some 100 years or so later. Step 2 grow up and practice your magic, gaining even more power. Step 3 recreate your son to try to take over the world. If you fail and die, your spells activates again and you take it from the top after most of the people alive at the time are already dead from old age.
Incredible theory! I never would of twin rova being the reincarnating hatred of demise and not Ganondorf, but it makes a lot of sense when you break it down!
i mean punching someone directly on the spine can kill them instantly as the spinal cord is part of the central nervous system so it makes a single punch to the center of sonia's back would kill her
my theory about Ganondorf not holding a weapon is that the dagger (that is the geoglyph) wasn't pulled out, and thus is still in Sonia's back. Nintendo, being Nintendo, didn't make the bloody dagger obvious because... yea. thats just my theory. edit: i also think the reason the one Gerudo man every 100 years thing stops in botw is because Ganondorf is still "alive" (still exists), so they con't create a new Ganondorf. perhaps male Gerudo were always being born, but just like in botw, they were sent to live with their dad. it wasn't mentioned because what they mean is that every 100 years, Ganondorf is recreated.
I just realized that ganondorf has gloom/malice powers before getting the secret stone, when he was just a gerudo. Hes always been something of a dark wizard, and we know he has koune and kotake to train him, but i wonder if this is just an ability specific to this reincarnation of ganondorf. And because he had the secret stone, his power was strong enough to build up and spread his influence over hyrule, even while he was sealed by rauru.
I feel like that the same way demise had Girahim to resurrect him, his incarnations always have a servant to support them, so ganondorf has twinrova in OOT and TOTK, and even Zant and maybe the Helmaroc King in TP and WW. Even in the downfall timeline games he has agahnim, twinrova, and the unamed wizard from Zelda II.
Omg a freaking BOOK? That's Awesome! And about the Theory at the end: It's interesting and could work! Since we've SEEN already that they can create him with magic it would explain that, specially since we've never seen a (confirmed) Gerudo male that was not him
weirdly enough Ganondorf being a summon/magically created being makes the most sense! It would also add to the fan theories that he can recall all his past-lives but Zelda nor Link can! Can we bring up the aging of the Gerudo? I find it weird that Hudson and Rhondson's child grew up very quickly! Like how much time past between Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom? meanwhile it didn't seem like Riju aged that much... truly is odd.
It wouldn't be a fight but an execution of a great and benevolent king. Only way for Rhoam to have a winning chance against Ganondorf is by sharing Rauru's Zonai blood which he doesn't share as the one who married into the Royal Family without blood ties to the first king and queen of New Hyrule.
solid theory also new hyrule is somehow shaped almost exactly like even newer hyrule (the one in the switch games) even though new hyrule is said to be elsewhere maybe old hyrule was resettled or maybe in that long time new hyrule just became exactly like old hyrule
You bring up an interesting point. It seems like a crazy theory but reincarnation seems to be a factor beyond Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf with Beedle, Impa and many others. It could make sense that they revive. It could also explain his rounded ears. TotK's Ganondorf is a literal resurrection of Ganondorf from OoT, rather than a new incarnation. If he was a reincarnation he would likely have pointed ears but he doesn't. I don't believe it is factually proven by a longshot, but at the moment I cannot think of any major counterpoints to refute this theory.
My theory is completely different. I think after that after the events of four swords adventures a literal war broke out between hylians and the gerudo. Since they found out they killed ganon (their king) before fsa they did dark rituals to bring back the wind mage vaati from ancient times to take zelda away and drain the light force again. Then the events go on. The 2 gerudo women are friendly because they don't believe dark magic is the right way and they are on the sides of the hylians so they were cast out. After ganon was defeated again, as i said the war broke out and the gerudo brought back kotake and koume by using similar rituals to overthrow hyrule entirely so the hyland used the triforce for the wish to reforge hyrule from the start. Note that the adult timeline is the only one where the triforce didn't get used.
"or tell me I'm weird." Well, if everyone was 'normal' we wouldn't have these awesome theories and videos. The timeline placement is pretty much in line with my own musings while playing the game and to be honest, we know the team doesn't focus as much on the timeline placements as us fans do, but then again, if everything was set in stone, we wouldn't have these theories. And I am intrigued by the idea of Twinrowa being reincarnated and feeding the cycle of Ganondorf's rebirth/re-creation. Thank you for creating this video and planting the seeds of these ideas in my brain LOL
Did no one consider taking Ganondorf's secret stone after he was sealed? They just said "screw it let him keep it, that won't make it hard for Link or anything"
I’m sure others have noticed this, but there are two factions of Gerudo. The ones with Ganondorf all have black outfits and more radical looks. Then on the other hand, one of the sages was a Gerudo woman, likely a leader, and she wore light clothes.
My theory is that the destruction of Hyrule Fuyibayashi is talking about is when the three timelines merged, Chaos ensued and all knowledge of previous Zelda timelines were lost. Time passed, most likely the three Goddesses of creation sent the Zonai to restore Hyrule using the tears, thousands of years later Rauru and Sonia finally brought up together and rebuilt Hyrule. Several thousand years later happened The Calamity from 10 thousand years appears. According to the tale, the Sheika were already prepared for the Calamity to aid the Princess and the chosen hero, (Implying the Calamity has been happening before but we don't know how many times and for how long). 10 thousand years later The Calamity returns, kicks Link's butt, Zelda put to sleep the Calamity. 100 years later BOTW starts 7 Years later TOTK starts. That's how I've come to understand it so far.
Your Twinrova Ganondorf origin theory is simultaneously such a simple explanation and also a Galaxy brain solution to so many other lore theories from the past lol, consider me intrigued
Hey Bandit! Out of pockey theory here, I completely love this one! Great theory at the end, which I love and may stick with. My out of pocket theory though, is what if - and I've said this before - everything is relevent? In the vastness of "time immemorial" (Deku Tree), everything we know in Zelda lore, all in one timeline because it has, at some point in Hyrules life ("time immemorial") DID happen. One timeline; the downfall happened. A migration happened (thus the size), aliens happened (MM), there are realms long forgotten, inaccessible, temples repurposed, destroyed and new homes built overtop. The decline (a great depression) of Hyrule. A prosperous time before and after. Think of Hyrule like our literal world. What we know of the past is written in history books, but there is so we don't know - like dinosaurs, cave men, ice ages, really think about how much mankind has seen and how muddled (lol) and blown out of proportion. Its a bold take, but my subject of interest in real life is history, I'm a bit bias ;) Literally everything we know has happened in the time of Hyrules founding. There are no restrictions any longer, with this thinking. Adding your theory of twinrova into the mix, just mends a few broken pieces I originally had. A ressurection of twinrova in Tears would have been amazing, but unnecessary since he (Ganondorf) wasn't dead, just sealed.
13:44 let’s say this is true. Then we need a game that takes place after Skyward Sword that gives us the first Ganondorf, and how the witches created him (either unknowingly or on purpose) as a vessel for Demise
Im just curious where Sonia and Rarau's kid was while their parents. Wouldn't Ganondorf go after them also? He doesn't seam like the kind of guy that would think twice about killing the child or children of his enemie.
Speaking out loud i wonder if Ganondorf ever thought of using their child as blackmail to obtain one of their secret stones. Had he kidnapped Rauru's child he could have then demanded one or more stones as ransom to become even more powerful than with a single one. Alas seeing as the child never appeared in any of the memories they must have been very well protected for Ganondorf to attempt a kidnapping.
Imagine if there's a TOTK manga where instead of a straight up punch to the back, because they wanted to make it as "kid" friendly as possible, it's a sword instead. LoZ mangas can get dark. *Looks at Twilight Princess*
Not really? The timelines merged into one following the end of Spirit Tracks, Four Sword Adventures and Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link before leading into the arrival of the Zonai and the foundation of Rauru's Hyrule kickstarting the Era of the Wild. I see no logic in insisting that this 2 games _need_ to be seperate from the rest to "make sense" considering the myriad of references to past games in the current Hyrule plus Fi's jingle playing at the end of the game as confirmation of Skyward Sword been canon to the Wild duology.
I'm pretty sure the only appearance of ganondorf where it isn't just the same guy, is totk. the rest of the time it's just the same ganondorf from ocarina of time.
Twinrova being his surrogate mother's doesn't necessarily mean they have any biological connection to him. Surrogate has two definitions and can essentially mean the same thing as his adoptive mothers.
I’d like to say that I like your theory about twin rova, but I’d change one thing about it. I don’t think ganondorf is created by them, but I think that they may have merged into thier twin rova form and got impregnated by a male much like normal gerudo women do, and ganondorf would be the product. This is how he can have two mothers and still have a father, this can also be why one male is born every century while other normal gerudo only produce females.
I thought before botw someone from nintendo said when asked about timeline placement that botw(which now include tok by default) is so far into the future that any past game are like legends in this game and the theory that all timelines converge in a timeplit
For me I always consider that if botw/totk were the a conected to all the previos timelines then it would have been the child timeline since is the only one were the gerudo outside of ganondorf exist
I would like to add to your theory. What if the witch gave birth to Ganondorf when they were merged into one person. Then Ganondorf would still have two mothers. My only question is, who is his father?
That's kind of gross to be honest and makes me think of Steven Universe for some reason (shivers). As to the question of the father it probably was some random Hylian man as the Demon Tribe's curse isn't _genetic_ aside from Ganondorf been always born a Gerudo so i'm sure whoever concieved of him must have been completely clueless as to what child he brought into the world.
@@septemberdragonaudio He would have been a very old man by the time he concieved an incarnation of Ganondorf so i have my doubts. Personally i like to believe Urbosa's bloodline of chieftains are the ones who birth Ganondorfs across history which is why the Gerudo chieftains are so peaceful and dutiful as "penance" for carrying the guilt of birthing the Demon King for eternity. Where a Gerudo male responsible for the next male in line would force them to be EXTREMELY OLD in order for the new male to be born making this an unlikely possibility.
*100-years idea;* There's 1 avatar of his power alive at a time, like an echo, who normally lives a reasonable 100~ years, when they're not trying to take over Hyrule and then get axed by a forest child.
I like to think that someone found the mask of Majora and the Ocarina of Time and willingly or not, unleashed an unprecedented catastrophy upon all timelines. They all merged together, and the Ooca, with time, evolved to become the Zonai…
I do have a theory as to why the Twinrova sisters didn't die in the Downfall timeline, I'm still trying to work out a few plot holes with this theory tho, so I don't wanna get too far into it, as I plan to make my own video about that timeline split. But that aside, I really like your Ganondorf being a magical creation by the Sisters theory, meaning they're the actual reincarnation of Demise's curse?
personally, my theory is that BOTW/TOTK isn't placed on any particular timeline, but either 1, a recombination of them (choose your "how" factor. demise/ganondorf caused it, The goddess trio caused it, enough time had passed, etc.) Which would explain the references to all three timelines. Or 2, This is an entirely new timeline. That is to say, Nintendo got tired of juggling three, and decided to simply end the trident and create an all new Alternate Universe Timeline.
Ok I have never thought about that theory for Ganondorf before but it actually makes so much sense that I'm sticking with it now unless/until it's disproven.
I think a Lore of the NPCs would also be a good video, or a "Lore of Hyrule's Kings". Or a Lore of the Sidequests, where you can go into some of the deepest and most immersive side quests in the series, like the Married Couple Sidequest in Majora's Mask
Honestly, this was one of the most fun boss battles I have ever experienced. There were so many moments that were absolutely hillarious vut still so badass that, despite laughing my head off, I was still impressed. Some gave said that we should have learned more about Ganondorf as a character, and that his motivations as he presents them are underwhelming. These are, however, his aims post-transformation into the demon king. Maybe his original goals were different. We don't know.
An interesting proposition, so points for creativity. However, I'm much more inclined to imagine that this is a fan-service callout, like Wind Waker Ganondorf having their names on his swords. After all, TOTK is all about callouts to older games, look at all the outfits and weapons! Sometimes an easter egg is just an easter egg.
Surrogate in this context means substitute. The Twinrova raised Ganondorf because his biological mother was absent, they didn't create him like a golem. They adopted him.
Which Zelda game should have its bosses explained next?
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Can you do A link to the past
@@Cliffordlonghead _First Zelda game?_ Bandit asked a question so i assume "first" is your answer.
If you've seen Ganondorf's punches in Smash, you'd believe he can OHKO someone with just a punch.
Who said he used his hands? 😏
A good headbutt and she's a gonner
Especially someone who’s not a fighter or part of the roaster. Sonia.
He obviously used a dagger
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The way Sonja's Body moved by the inpact doesnt fit with getting killed by a dagger.
The ammount of force which Ganondorf put in the killing blow would have penetrated her entire Torso if it was a Dagger.
@@Chris-gx1eiit should have. But Nintendo is wishy washy on that
there is the saying: those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. and this game's general story seems to mirror ocarina of time. i think it is fair to say that hyrule lost the records of what had happend in the past and thus a repeat occured (sorry if this seems like a rambling. im dutch and this was just a theory that popped in my head)
Demise cursed Zelda and Link into a repeat so u are kinda right.
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there needs to be a N64 OoT and MM remake with these graphics!
The Demon Tribe's curse has ensured that the people of Hyrule will _forever_ forget their ancient history so that new reincarnations of Ganondorf may be born without any knowledge of the past helping the current Link and Zelda of the Era in how to defeat him.
@@javiervasquez625 interesting... who's the Demon Tribe ??
I'm probably always gonna wonder how things would have gone if Rauru had just...NOT gloated about Link to Ganondorf at the last possible moment
Probably the same...? I mean Ganondorf would still have been sealed for thousands of years anyway so wether he would have knowledge of Link or not wouldn't have prevented his Calamity Ganon creation from showing up in the following millenia and leading the Ancient Hero and Hero of the Wild to fulfill their roles in their respective Eras.
@@javiervasquez625 I more mean it was stupid of Rauru to just TELL Ganondorf what their trump card in the future was just because he was certain it would work. If I had just lost a 7v1 and had to sacrifice myself just to make him stop using I would NOT start mouthing off my backup plan lol
@@MoonlitWenny I guess you're right haha i personally saw Rauru's revelation of Link's existence as a salty "you're screwed" remark to Ganondorf as revenge for Sonia's death. From a purely emotional stance i can understand why Rauru chose to spill the beans like that but you're right in that it would have been smarter to have kept his mouth shut so that Link would keep the surprise element by the time he would meet Ganondorf face to face.
The was the point. Rauru and Ganandorf are foils to each other. But they are also similar to each other in their hubris, and it’s that hubris that would be their downfall.
Things would definitely have gone differently if Ganondorf realized being Gerudo means he had the N-word pass.
My own personal opinion on the whole "refounding of Hyrule" is that the Zonai are the descendants of Skyloftians that stayed in the sky. Over the Course of the series they were cut off and developed their own history, hence why this is the first we are hearing about them. Some time after the branch timeline converges they descend, either out of curiosity or desire to reunite with their long lost kin the Hylians, and by then the history of Hyrule, the triforce, everything had been forgotten, so the Zonai introduce a sort of historical renaissance for the surface world, founding the new kingdom of Hyrule.
Oooh I like this! I’m just gonna accept that into my head canon
What of the Oocca...? 🤔
That's such an interesting take! Sadly I believe the presence of Zonai tech in Skyward Sword and the implication that they've already been down there ages ago kind of contradicts that
I don't think Rauru's hand falling off of Ganondorf's corpse right when Zelda and Link enter is a coincidence. I think Rauru's conciousness is still present and he deliberately lets go and fully dies when the hero he has been waiting for arrives.
it's like a breath of air. He saw Zelda, presumed the dude with her was her Link, and was like "*sigh* he's here. I can rest." and that was the final bit that let him die. then he saw the crap fest that lost link's arm and the sword and mustered JUST enough life to save Link's.
Great theory
Strange that Twinrova stay background throughout TotK. They are not even around as a part of Ganondorf’s army. Imagine them wielding Scimitar’s made from fire and ice Lizalfos horns, Ruby and sapphire gem’s wands, and Dinraal and Naydra Horned-Swords. Missed potential.
Omg I wished they would have been properly back and not just living easter eggs
Personal headcanon here: they were originally going to be the bosses of the new Spirit Temple keeping Mineru's spirit imprisoned as part of a plan to learn to control her Constructs but due to time constraints during development the Zelda team was unnable to fully incorporate them into the story in time leading to a simple easter egg instead.
Maybe if is released a DLC of TOK the Twinrova could make a bigger role in this even if is just as a new boss somewhere
Having Twinrova and exploring his origin arc of his rise becoming the Gerduo King would have completed Ganondorf's story fully.
Or better yet just give them unique weapons.
Your actually quite on a roll here, In fact, lets add on to this. Kotake and Koume are Witches, Normally witches make pacts witch dark beings to maintain their powers. Dark beings like demons. So Heres my addition to your theory, They Made a Pact with Demise to maintain his curse by "Forming a bond" with him as Twinrova and They Spawn his Heir every 100 years.
Demise is a "bunshin" in the japanese localization of Skyward Sword so he's NOT the "Big Bad" of the Zelda franchise. Rather it's the _Demon Tribe_ which spawned him as an "extension" of themselves to carry the title of "Demon King" and oppose the God Tribe only mentioned in the japanese localization of the Skyward Sword. If Koume and Kotake did in fact make a pact with a dark being it must have been someone else as Demise died *for good* with no means to return.
¿How would they be able to "spawn" Ganondorf though...? I hope you don't mean they are literal _biological_ mothers of Ganondorf for i can't imagine how weird and convoluted it would be for 2 women to fuse with one another in order to carry a "demon child" in their womb for 9 months before becoming seperate afterwards. That's a little too farfetched to be plausible.
@@javiervasquez625 Demise created the Demon Tribe all monsters that are a part of the Demon tribe are born of his Malice also Demise may be dead but his hatred which is basically his essence reincarnates as long as Zelda and the Hero exist
Magic can do a lot of crazy things like create an artificial Gerudo male with insane power they don't have to become pregnant
@@Hallow6262 Accurate translation of "Demise" related dialogues in the *japanese* version of Skyward Sword:
_... Omae ga megami no kishi ka..._
So! You are the Goddess' knight, then...?
_Soshite..._
And...
_... Awarena._
How pitiful.
_Ware wo nossuru tame to wa ie ningen nado ni narihateka..._
Even if she claims it was for the sake of eluding me, she went to the extreme of becoming a mere human...
_Ano kedataku ririshikatta megami Hairia ga na..._
Even that the brave and so-prideful Goddess Hylia went to such ends...
_... Hou. Omae mo ano ningen mo megami wo tasukeyou to iu no ka?_
Hum. So both you and that human want to help the Goddess, you mean to say?
_Omoshiroina... Ware no shiru ningendomo wa hitori nokorazu naki wameki himei wo ageru kotoshika dekinu yowaki sonzai dattaga._
Interesting... The humans I know of are all weak existances which are unable to do anything else except weeping and shouting out screams.
_Ware tono tatakai demo hamukaisurasezu megami ni sugari tsuiteita ningen... Ano okubyoumonodomo no matsuei ga na._
So, even if you intend to battle me, you are no more but a human sheltered by the Goddess which tries to strike me... A mere descendant of that herd of cowards...
_Masumasumotte omoshiroi. Hito ga ware ni tatakai wo idomou to wa..._
Really interesting. A human intends to challenge me to a battle...
_Iidarou. Jaama ga hairenu basho de aite weyarou. Sono yuuki ga aru no narabana._
Fine. I shall face you in place where no-one shall get in the way. If you really have such courage to go for it, then.
_Inochi wo oshimu naraba nigedae mo kamawan. Ware ga yo wo shihaisuru made no wazukana jikan wo ningenrashiku nakikuru ga ii... Daga mazoku no yo ni aragau i ga aru to iunonara... Ware no ato wo ottekoi. Sukoshi deareba matteiyarou..._
I do not care if you value your life and run away. Go ahead and weep like a human during the little time left before I rule the world... But if you claim of having the courage to step into the Demon Tribe's world, then... Come after me. I shall wait for a little while.
When you go to defeat him:
_Hou... Kitaka. Kakugo wa dekiteiru you da na ningen..._
Hum... You came. You seem to be be prepared, human...
_Yoku miteoke. Kore ga omae no manako ni utsuru saigo no keshiki to naru..._
Contemplate. This shall become the last scenery to be engraved in your sight...
_Kami no ichizoku no nagaki urami... Waga chikara wo kaihou suru yorokobi..._
The flowing hatred towards the Gods' Tribe... The joy which comes with the release of my power...
_Subete wo omae ni tatakitsuketeyarou._
I shall discharge all of them into you.
_Omae ga ware no mae ni dorehodo no toki tatteirareru no ka... Sukoshi tanoshimasetekureyo?_
I wonder how much time you will last standing against me... Will you try to make it interesting?
_Sekai wa imayori gaga shihaika ni okareu!_
The world shall now submit to my ruling!
_Ware ni sabamuku orokanamonodomo wa ichizoku routou mina kono daichi yori keshisattekureruwa!!_
Those foolish herds which oppose me... Their tribes, their members... All shall be wiped out from this Land!!
_Soe ano bannou no chikara..._
And when I possess the absolute power...
_Torfaifoosu wo waga te ni osame..._
When I possess the Triforce...
_Mirai eikou mazoku no shihaisuru yo wo!!_
The world's future shall be forever ruled by the Demon Tribe!!
What Fi says about Demise:
_Chuushiku taishou no meishou Shuuen no Mono._
The name of the targeted object is "Tyrannical Being".
_Toki wo koe zettaitekina sonzaitoe aritsutsuketeiru ma no kongen desu._
A totally overwhelming existence which has overcome Time itself and is the origin of the ever-so-present "Demons"...
_Sono sugata wa mirumono ni yotte chigau tomo jidai ni yotte chigau tomo iitsutaerareteimasu._
It is said that its form varies according to the era and the one who witnesses it.
What Demise says when you defeat him:
_Ningen yo! Ware wo ryousgasehi, tsuyoki ningen yo!!_
Human! Having been able to overcome me... You are a strong human!!
_... Migoto da. Daga oboeteoke. Kore wa owari de wa nai..._
Splendid. But, remember... This is not over...
_Ware no zouo wa... Mazoku no noroi wa... Yuukyuu no toki no hatemade rinne wo egaku._
My hatred... The curse of the *Demon Tribe...* They shall continously go on reincarnating until the end of all times.
_Wasurena! Kurikaesu no da!!_
Do not forget it! I shall repeat it!!
_Omaetachi wa... Megami no chi to yuusha no tamashii wo motsumonodomo wa towa ni kono jubaku kara nogarerarenu!_
You people shall... You people who possess the blood of the Goddess and the soul of hero shall... forever be unable to escape from this curse!
_Kono zouo to onnen ga... Sono konke ga kisamara to tomo ni chinerareta yami no umi wo eien ni mogaki samayoi tsuzukeru no da!!_
This hatred and grudge... Its evolution shall forever painfully wander across this blood-stained "Dark Sea" along with you lowlifes forever!!
Finally, here's a note from the translator on Demise's "name" in Japanese:
"Shueen" normally means "end" or "apocalypse", so it should be the "Apocalyptic One". Yet when Zelda speaks of him during your reunion in the past (Hylia's Temple) she mentions his name in the context of "The Shuuen no Mono which desired to rule the world".
There, according to my Japanese teacher (a Japanese from Oosaka himself) told me that there was a trick: given how this guy wanted to "rule" then the meaning changed to that of "ruler" or "tyrant", so "Tyrannical Being" is a correct translation.
In short: in Japan he's known as either "Demon King" or "Tyrannical Being" yet he doesn't have a "name" per se (because he's a "bunshin" CREATED by the Demon Tribe).
As you can see in the accurate translation above the "Tyrannical Being" did NOT CREATE the Demon Tribe: it was _the other way around._
@@Hallow6262 ¿Did someone just give you a like while completley _ignoring_ the comment bellow which prooves how utterly WRONG you are...? ¿What's wrong with Humanity? 😔😩
A real shame that Nintendo, Fujibayashi and Aonuma decided not to put Twinrova for a boss battle. She would’ve fit well in the Temple of Spirit. Kotake and Koume’s shoulder sashes as well as Ganondorf’s weapons. Let alone made a brief of his surrogate mothers standing by the Gerudo King’s side in two Dragon Tear Memories.
I think they would have been great as the Hyrule castle boss as well. It would have been neat to have them be the Zelda imposters instead of just another phantom
I hate the fact that there is no DLC for the game. Added functions would have been nice. New items to reach and BEAT King Gleeok.
Not a bad point, i probably would've preferred that over that corrupted construct. The only problem is that Kotake and Koume were alive 10s of thousands of years ago, so for TotK, would Ganondorf just have brought them back from the dead as "Zombies"? Bc if that is the case, then they would have fit better as the Gibdo Queen boss for the Lightning Temple.
@@Zerolink30 Eh, they could have made up anything to justify. Like, maybe they froze themselvems or something.
Though zombie might actually be cool too, since it could fit the whole crypt theme of the Lightning temple, and since we dont fight zombie ganondorf, it wouldn;t be a repeat
@blstuff yeah i guess for the most powerful Gerudo witches, finding a magic that would put them in "cryo-sleep" until Ganondorf reawakens wouldn't have been too hard. But we also can't rule out that they were probably killed during the Imprisoning War.
Great take on Kotake/Koume. Seems like they have to be there for Ganondorf to be born and rise
Not sure if you were joking about the punch, but it's likely that he just left his weapon stuck inside her back. This cutscene in general is a cool throwback to Ganondorf being an assassin and already possessing a dagger in OoT, even if not using it in any fights or cutscenes
Still not 100% sold on the ear thing since it reads a bit like a typical Nintendo afterthought to explain away inconsistencies. They definitely should have put more and better hints in TotK to make the series more cohesive. A lot of wasted potential there
Actually, your Twinrova theory makes sense.
It would also make sense as no male Gerudo has been born since Ganondorf was sealed.
Because if he's still alive, no one can resurrect him/rebirth him.
I like this a lot as it answers a question we’ve all had about ganondorf’s parentage, and explains his motivations. Like yes he is evil, and he is there to be evil, but he was created to be evil by twinrova, aka demise. Which is what demise’s curse is all about. A never ending cycle, a hatred for good. Twinrova keeps coming back so ganondorf keeps coming back. Even if it takes several millennia to do so.
Why were they underground when they fought Ganondorf in the Imprisoning War (remember the castle wasnt built yet)? What was there that was important that Ganondorf was after? 🤔
Very good question… perhaps a lure of some sort?
@@BanditGames Right? My guess is that the tree that Ganondorf ends up sitting in waiting for Link for the final boss was like a giant lightroot empowering the other 120 lightroots and Ganondorf wanted to spread his Gloom throughout the world via the tree.
@@kNOwYouAndMe Now that is one epic plotline that i wish had been brought up during the story to make Ganondorf an active villain with _schemes_ to outsmart the Heroes rather than the generic lazy badguy who sits on a throne waiting for Link to come along and kick his butt for the millionth time. Funny how Ocarina of Time Ganondorf is STILL the most proactive incarnation in the entire series.
Since Ganondorf used the gloom roots to restore his strength, I’d say the most logical answer is that Ganondorf traveled to that underground chamber before being confronted by Rauru and his Sages to strengthen his magic even further?
why are the monsters in the depths mining zonaite?? if the monsters follow ganondorf orders, does ganondorf need zonaite? why?
You point out the two mother thing and Ganondorf being a baby born from their magic with no father. But what are the odds that they instead fused together to have a child with a Voe meaning that Ganondorf did come out of both when they were Twin Rova making him as strong as her instead of one of sister birthing Ganondorf.
Both makes sense
Would account for his size too. Twinrova is a large lady, would make sense a large man like Ganondorf would come from that.
@@DANBAN119 Lol you gotta be kidding.
imagine if they unfused while pregnant
"well guess we're having twins now"
@@DazzlingNishi If the fetus wasn't split in half and killed in the process... lol the imagination of the fandom is depressingly hilarious.
This video represents exactly why your videos have deepened my love for Zelda. You delivery is genuine and honest. You research and you theorize so diligently. And you're hilarious. I am so proud that we did this book together and even more so honored to call you a friend. Thank you
I love it when he starts with: "I Zelda game without..." and talks about food combinations LOL. Also, I love your deliverance in Zelda related content... Keep up the Good Work.
I always assumed the combined twinrova gave birth to Ganondorf and the split forms were surrogates because the fused form was it's own entity and the true mother.
This is the video I've been waiting for 17 years ! I love the Gerudos, I love Ganondorf, and I LOVE theorizing about his origins and its implications with Gerudo people/culture.
PS : HAVE YOU SEEN HIS HORSE ?!? I wanted a horseman battle so much !! I respect that Nintendo won't do a DLC just for the sake of it, but man I would have loved more content on Ganondorf and Koume & Koutake.
Very solid theory build up towards the end with the detail study. Very impressive and something I'll hold to!
it could just be a dragon break
basically, all 3 timelines merging back into one since, yes, there's a crap ton of sea salt everywhere but all they mention twilight in that meeting of link, Zelda & the champions of the divine beasts
and also tears of the kingdom, showing all of the replica outfit stuff like majora's mask & midna's mask peice to actually be real
I had to pause this just to pre order the book! I am super excited, ive recently rediscovered my love for LOZ and love your videos!
A theory that I have is no matter what timeline it is there will always be a Great War that caused Zelda, Link, and Ganondorf to be in a form of disrepair. Which caused the goddesses to finally realize maybe it wasn’t the best to allow Ganondorf to keep the Triforce of power so they took that and fuses the other two Triforce pieces to fuse with Zelda and Link. They then told their descendants to go down there and watch over Hyrule. They wanted to make sure Ganondorf never got power again but obviously they failed.
"he must have had a father and one mother, but that doesn't make sense because he has two mothers unless-" they conceived him and gave birth to him while they were fused together.
Oh we're actually not going down that path... right of course, don't mind me lmao
I thought of it in my head as like maybe one Twinrova witch can reproduce with male organs while the other can with female organs, and they give birth in their fused form to make sure he has twice the power or some wierd witchcraft. Sounds sick and gross 😝 but is a historically funny way of theorizing how Ganondorf could be born, LMAO! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I do not want think about how a Ganondorf flavored milkshake would taste (or be made for that matter).
Spicy
@@BanditGames Not sure if that is an answer to the question of the taste, or a take on the nature of my comment.
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05:40 the hand NEEDS to fall, otherwise Zelda would not pick up the stone and travel back to advice the sages, turn into a dragon, defeat dragon ganondorf. If that didn’t happen it would break the entire time travel scope 🤷♂️. I’d asume the hand/spirit recognizes Zelda and let’s go as it understands “it was in his moment she was destined to travel back”.
Jordan out here writing books and shit. So rad. Congratulations!
It's a good theory, and if you use the calamity as a backdrop and the Sonia and Rarau's kid or descendant is the one in the calamity rug then maybe hyrule's founding in TotK is 20,000 years prior to BotW, but also 10,000 years or something similar after the other timelines. Just my own slight theory.
No way Rauru and Sonia's child was a Link why do think that's a possibility? No incarnation of the Hero has _ever_ been born Royalty so i see no logical reason why they should now especially with the recent Hero of the Wild been born as a simple commoner with no ties to the Zonai Royal Family.
@@javiervasquez625Wild Link wasn’t some random commoner. He was from a respected family of knights.
@@silverthehero1295 Royalty =/= Nobility
Didn’t say it did, just that Link isn’t some unknown Joe Schmo.
I do like the idea of twinrova being the reincarnated beings. With them recreating ganondorf repeatedly every time, basically dragging the piece of demise back to life every time.
It would make sense too. Step 1 create a spell that causes your spirits to be reborn into twin gerudo girls some 100 years or so later. Step 2 grow up and practice your magic, gaining even more power. Step 3 recreate your son to try to take over the world. If you fail and die, your spells activates again and you take it from the top after most of the people alive at the time are already dead from old age.
Like every funny quote, "why won't you just die!" LOL 😂😂😂
Incredible theory! I never would of twin rova being the reincarnating hatred of demise and not Ganondorf, but it makes a lot of sense when you break it down!
i mean punching someone directly on the spine can kill them instantly as the spinal cord is part of the central nervous system so it makes a single punch to the center of sonia's back would kill her
good work, tiger. great video.
So excited for this video!
Bandit, your theories always fascinate me and I enjoy hearing you get excited talking about it all❤ hope you're doing well amd congrats on your book!!
my theory about Ganondorf not holding a weapon is that the dagger (that is the geoglyph) wasn't pulled out, and thus is still in Sonia's back. Nintendo, being Nintendo, didn't make the bloody dagger obvious because... yea. thats just my theory.
edit: i also think the reason the one Gerudo man every 100 years thing stops in botw is because Ganondorf is still "alive" (still exists), so they con't create a new Ganondorf. perhaps male Gerudo were always being born, but just like in botw, they were sent to live with their dad. it wasn't mentioned because what they mean is that every 100 years, Ganondorf is recreated.
I just realized that ganondorf has gloom/malice powers before getting the secret stone, when he was just a gerudo. Hes always been something of a dark wizard, and we know he has koune and kotake to train him, but i wonder if this is just an ability specific to this reincarnation of ganondorf. And because he had the secret stone, his power was strong enough to build up and spread his influence over hyrule, even while he was sealed by rauru.
Nice video dude
I feel like that the same way demise had Girahim to resurrect him, his incarnations always have a servant to support them, so ganondorf has twinrova in OOT and TOTK, and even Zant and maybe the Helmaroc King in TP and WW. Even in the downfall timeline games he has agahnim, twinrova, and the unamed wizard from Zelda II.
Omg a freaking BOOK? That's Awesome!
And about the Theory at the end: It's interesting and could work! Since we've SEEN already that they can create him with magic it would explain that, specially since we've never seen a (confirmed) Gerudo male that was not him
Bandit, you co-wrote a book? That's amazing!
he made it possible
Hiiiiiiiiiiiii, I am so glad that your back Bandit!!!!!!!!!! You make my day so much better every time I watch you. So keep doing what you’re doing.
I think Ganondwarf just punched Sonia so hard her spine was shattered or something
weirdly enough Ganondorf being a summon/magically created being makes the most sense! It would also add to the fan theories that he can recall all his past-lives but Zelda nor Link can!
Can we bring up the aging of the Gerudo? I find it weird that Hudson and Rhondson's child grew up very quickly! Like how much time past between Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom? meanwhile it didn't seem like Riju aged that much... truly is odd.
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TLDR Ganon: Evil Man Evil Plan
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This video has both answered so many questions, but also given so many new questions
Forget about that puny zonaï giraffe, I want to see a duel between Gerudo Ganondorf and king Rhoam Bosphoramus Hyrule!
It wouldn't be a fight but an execution of a great and benevolent king. Only way for Rhoam to have a winning chance against Ganondorf is by sharing Rauru's Zonai blood which he doesn't share as the one who married into the Royal Family without blood ties to the first king and queen of New Hyrule.
I definitely would not want Ganondorf as my chiropractor.
solid theory
also new hyrule is somehow shaped almost exactly like even newer hyrule (the one in the switch games) even though new hyrule is said to be elsewhere
maybe old hyrule was resettled or maybe in that long time new hyrule just became exactly like old hyrule
You bring up an interesting point. It seems like a crazy theory but reincarnation seems to be a factor beyond Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf with Beedle, Impa and many others. It could make sense that they revive. It could also explain his rounded ears. TotK's Ganondorf is a literal resurrection of Ganondorf from OoT, rather than a new incarnation. If he was a reincarnation he would likely have pointed ears but he doesn't. I don't believe it is factually proven by a longshot, but at the moment I cannot think of any major counterpoints to refute this theory.
I can't believe they made Ganondorf's neutral b into a canon thing he can do
My theory is completely different. I think after that after the events of four swords adventures a literal war broke out between hylians and the gerudo. Since they found out they killed ganon (their king) before fsa they did dark rituals to bring back the wind mage vaati from ancient times to take zelda away and drain the light force again. Then the events go on. The 2 gerudo women are friendly because they don't believe dark magic is the right way and they are on the sides of the hylians so they were cast out. After ganon was defeated again, as i said the war broke out and the gerudo brought back kotake and koume by using similar rituals to overthrow hyrule entirely so the hyland used the triforce for the wish to reforge hyrule from the start. Note that the adult timeline is the only one where the triforce didn't get used.
"or tell me I'm weird." Well, if everyone was 'normal' we wouldn't have these awesome theories and videos. The timeline placement is pretty much in line with my own musings while playing the game and to be honest, we know the team doesn't focus as much on the timeline placements as us fans do, but then again, if everything was set in stone, we wouldn't have these theories. And I am intrigued by the idea of Twinrowa being reincarnated and feeding the cycle of Ganondorf's rebirth/re-creation. Thank you for creating this video and planting the seeds of these ideas in my brain LOL
LOVE these videos! I’m so happy I stumbled upon your channel
Did no one consider taking Ganondorf's secret stone after he was sealed? They just said "screw it let him keep it, that won't make it hard for Link or anything"
I’m sure others have noticed this, but there are two factions of Gerudo. The ones with Ganondorf all have black outfits and more radical looks.
Then on the other hand, one of the sages was a Gerudo woman, likely a leader, and she wore light clothes.
My theory is that the destruction of Hyrule Fuyibayashi is talking about is when the three timelines merged, Chaos ensued and all knowledge of previous Zelda timelines were lost.
Time passed, most likely the three Goddesses of creation sent the Zonai to restore Hyrule using the tears, thousands of years later Rauru and Sonia finally brought up together and rebuilt Hyrule.
Several thousand years later happened The Calamity from 10 thousand years appears. According to the tale, the Sheika were already prepared for the Calamity to aid the Princess and the chosen hero, (Implying the Calamity has been happening before but we don't know how many times and for how long).
10 thousand years later The Calamity returns, kicks Link's butt, Zelda put to sleep the Calamity.
100 years later BOTW starts
7 Years later TOTK starts.
That's how I've come to understand it so far.
100% agree with everything stated above great theory. 👍😉
Your Twinrova Ganondorf origin theory is simultaneously such a simple explanation and also a Galaxy brain solution to so many other lore theories from the past lol, consider me intrigued
It’s amusing that people view vanilla as the default flavor as if it’s not it’s own flavor.
Same thing with chocolate come to think of it.
Hey Bandit! Out of pockey theory here, I completely love this one! Great theory at the end, which I love and may stick with.
My out of pocket theory though, is what if - and I've said this before - everything is relevent? In the vastness of "time immemorial" (Deku Tree), everything we know in Zelda lore, all in one timeline because it has, at some point in Hyrules life ("time immemorial") DID happen. One timeline; the downfall happened. A migration happened (thus the size), aliens happened (MM), there are realms long forgotten, inaccessible, temples repurposed, destroyed and new homes built overtop. The decline (a great depression) of Hyrule. A prosperous time before and after. Think of Hyrule like our literal world. What we know of the past is written in history books, but there is so we don't know - like dinosaurs, cave men, ice ages, really think about how much mankind has seen and how muddled (lol) and blown out of proportion. Its a bold take, but my subject of interest in real life is history, I'm a bit bias ;)
Literally everything we know has happened in the time of Hyrules founding. There are no restrictions any longer, with this thinking. Adding your theory of twinrova into the mix, just mends a few broken pieces I originally had.
A ressurection of twinrova in Tears would have been amazing, but unnecessary since he (Ganondorf) wasn't dead, just sealed.
🎉 another video I’ve come to enjoy~ 🎉 hurrayyyy
I gotta say I’m glad they made gannondorf just as much of a pure evil presence here as they did in oot.
7:57 Finally your TH-cam channel viewers know your name and surname.
This was an awesome explanation to a question I never new I had but I love the headcannon anyways
13:44 let’s say this is true. Then we need a game that takes place after Skyward Sword that gives us the first Ganondorf, and how the witches created him (either unknowingly or on purpose) as a vessel for Demise
Here's my theory, Koume and Kotake fused into twin Rova met a random lucky guy and did what it do . 😏
You better up some point mention that the twin witches can become one. Whether or not they'd have to remain one for all nine months is debatable
Weird scenario if proven true haha.
Cool Video Bro.
Wind Waker Ganondorf has pointy ears 😱
Im just curious where Sonia and Rarau's kid was while their parents. Wouldn't Ganondorf go after them also? He doesn't seam like the kind of guy that would think twice about killing the child or children of his enemie.
Speaking out loud i wonder if Ganondorf ever thought of using their child as blackmail to obtain one of their secret stones. Had he kidnapped Rauru's child he could have then demanded one or more stones as ransom to become even more powerful than with a single one. Alas seeing as the child never appeared in any of the memories they must have been very well protected for Ganondorf to attempt a kidnapping.
Imagine if there's a TOTK manga where instead of a straight up punch to the back, because they wanted to make it as "kid" friendly as possible, it's a sword instead. LoZ mangas can get dark. *Looks at Twilight Princess*
The whole Zelda timeline is kinda the reason why I think BOTW/TOTK have it's own separate timeline. Less confusing that way
Not really? The timelines merged into one following the end of Spirit Tracks, Four Sword Adventures and Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link before leading into the arrival of the Zonai and the foundation of Rauru's Hyrule kickstarting the Era of the Wild. I see no logic in insisting that this 2 games _need_ to be seperate from the rest to "make sense" considering the myriad of references to past games in the current Hyrule plus Fi's jingle playing at the end of the game as confirmation of Skyward Sword been canon to the Wild duology.
@@javiervasquez625 I know, but It's my own headcanon.
I'm pretty sure the only appearance of ganondorf where it isn't just the same guy, is totk. the rest of the time it's just the same ganondorf from ocarina of time.
also Demise making twinrova as an extra step could also make sense
Twinrova being his surrogate mother's doesn't necessarily mean they have any biological connection to him. Surrogate has two definitions and can essentially mean the same thing as his adoptive mothers.
I’d like to say that I like your theory about twin rova, but I’d change one thing about it. I don’t think ganondorf is created by them, but I think that they may have merged into thier twin rova form and got impregnated by a male much like normal gerudo women do, and ganondorf would be the product. This is how he can have two mothers and still have a father, this can also be why one male is born every century while other normal gerudo only produce females.
I thought before botw someone from nintendo said when asked about timeline placement that botw(which now include tok by default) is so far into the future that any past game are like legends in this game and the theory that all timelines converge in a timeplit
For me I always consider that if botw/totk were the a conected to all the previos timelines then it would have been the child timeline since is the only one were the gerudo outside of ganondorf exist
I would like to add to your theory. What if the witch gave birth to Ganondorf when they were merged into one person. Then Ganondorf would still have two mothers.
My only question is, who is his father?
That's kind of gross to be honest and makes me think of Steven Universe for some reason (shivers). As to the question of the father it probably was some random Hylian man as the Demon Tribe's curse isn't _genetic_ aside from Ganondorf been always born a Gerudo so i'm sure whoever concieved of him must have been completely clueless as to what child he brought into the world.
@javiervasquez625 His father could also be the previously Gerudo male who was born. The witches are old.
@@septemberdragonaudio He would have been a very old man by the time he concieved an incarnation of Ganondorf so i have my doubts. Personally i like to believe Urbosa's bloodline of chieftains are the ones who birth Ganondorfs across history which is why the Gerudo chieftains are so peaceful and dutiful as "penance" for carrying the guilt of birthing the Demon King for eternity.
Where a Gerudo male responsible for the next male in line would force them to be EXTREMELY OLD in order for the new male to be born making this an unlikely possibility.
*100-years idea;* There's 1 avatar of his power alive at a time, like an echo, who normally lives a reasonable 100~ years, when they're not trying to take over Hyrule and then get axed by a forest child.
Loving the funny side comments you made Bandit! 😂
Love your stuff ❤❤❤
So malice is just a washed up gloom
I like to think that someone found the mask of Majora and the Ocarina of Time and willingly or not, unleashed an unprecedented catastrophy upon all timelines. They all merged together, and the Ooca, with time, evolved to become the Zonai…
I do have a theory as to why the Twinrova sisters didn't die in the Downfall timeline, I'm still trying to work out a few plot holes with this theory tho, so I don't wanna get too far into it, as I plan to make my own video about that timeline split.
But that aside, I really like your Ganondorf being a magical creation by the Sisters theory, meaning they're the actual reincarnation of Demise's curse?
I'd say a Zelda game without (good) bosses is like a Milkshake, but without shake.
personally, my theory is that BOTW/TOTK isn't placed on any particular timeline, but either 1, a recombination of them (choose your "how" factor. demise/ganondorf caused it, The goddess trio caused it, enough time had passed, etc.) Which would explain the references to all three timelines. Or 2, This is an entirely new timeline. That is to say, Nintendo got tired of juggling three, and decided to simply end the trident and create an all new Alternate Universe Timeline.
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Yeah I've played Smash Bros I've seen how hard he can punch
in fact I would bet that scene was even inspired by Smash Bros to begin with
Ok I have never thought about that theory for Ganondorf before but it actually makes so much sense that I'm sticking with it now unless/until it's disproven.
I think a Lore of the NPCs would also be a good video, or a "Lore of Hyrule's Kings". Or a Lore of the Sidequests, where you can go into some of the deepest and most immersive side quests in the series, like the Married Couple Sidequest in Majora's Mask
Honestly, this was one of the most fun boss battles I have ever experienced. There were so many moments that were absolutely hillarious vut still so badass that, despite laughing my head off, I was still impressed.
Some gave said that we should have learned more about Ganondorf as a character, and that his motivations as he presents them are underwhelming. These are, however, his aims post-transformation into the demon king. Maybe his original goals were different. We don't know.
Jordan, you are most definitely weird, but all the best people are. Seems like a solid theory all around. Keep up the great content!
Top-notch video! C:
An interesting proposition, so points for creativity. However, I'm much more inclined to imagine that this is a fan-service callout, like Wind Waker Ganondorf having their names on his swords. After all, TOTK is all about callouts to older games, look at all the outfits and weapons! Sometimes an easter egg is just an easter egg.
kinda wish we got a twinrova fight in totk but i didnt make the game
Surrogate in this context means substitute. The Twinrova raised Ganondorf because his biological mother was absent, they didn't create him like a golem. They adopted him.
6:09 didn’t Know Ganondorf was married lol
Interesting theory about ganondorf I do believe the upcoming dlc should focus more on ganondorf and possibly his mothers too
Very intriguing theory!
3:16 he probably used a reverse warlock punch on her
Easier fix to the theory, twinrova was the mother with an unknown random father, then she split into kotake and koume after to take care of ganon