How to Use Fortin Plugins at a Live Show | PART 1
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What kinda tricks are you guys gonna whip out now that you know how to run plugins live?
This changed the game for me for any band that I play with!
Thanks so much for explaining this so accurately. I really really struggled with how to set it up
Great video guys! One question guys, Can I connect the audio interface directly to a mixer and into the PA system without the need of a power amp and cabs? Would that setup work?
Makes sense and awesome visual instructions 🤘🔥🔥🤘
This hack saved my back at shows!
The staple of our tone today :D!
The Cali never disappoints.
Very helpful bro. Thank you 🙏
No problem!
Ayeee look at that ninja!
Yas!
So the ohms just need to be the same on the PA as the cab? Like 8 and 8 or 16 and 16?
How would you plug this to PA? Skip power amp, instead a DI-Box and XLR to PA?
Keepin cab sim on in software?
Gamechanger for sure. After years of carting about heavy amp heads and complicated pedalboards, it feels almost unreal to think that my live "rig" could be scaled down to a Quad Cortex and a Mooer Baby Bomb. 😆 But I'm deffo going to look into that!
The band ‘This will destroy you’ was doing this many years ago and as a teenager, I could never figure out where the sounds were actually coming from 😅
what about plugging into the return fx loop in a mesa/marshall head? cool video dude!
For something like this I would recommend you use a reamp box so the impedance isn’t incorrect going into your head.
first 40 seconds is why I am here...hoping to solve all these issues. lol. thank you!!!!!
Did it work?
I have a small question, if I fonnect the interface to the fx return of the amp head, would that eliminate the use of the poweramp pedal ?
Yes
So you are performing with a DAW. That's cool. Do you - by any chance - also pre-record the things you play live as there seems to be no wiggle room for performances?
I'd also love to know what happens when the DAW crashes and how you guys handle it live. Thanks!
1 month ago you wrote this message.....dude pass out drunk or die pray not so...I like to know if the transpose in Rabea, JP or boogie is better then the gojira whammy...why Fortin Cali, I love it myself and also have gojira, JP, Nameless, Cali, Omega and thinking about the boogie...sadly only JP boogie and Rabea have transpose.
I very hesitate between 2 differents setup :
1) The same you use : PC > Interface > Power Amp > Real Cab (optionally : Micing > Mixing Board)
but in this case you still have to carry a real cab, and transportability is an issue for every band haha (because of course I'd prefer play with a 4x12)
2) Total Digital : PC (with cab sims/good IR's) > Interface > Mixing Board (optionally : Powered monito onstage as a "cab")
Here I have no limit ! I can make all my presets and make it sound onstage. do you think a power amp pedal can be useful in this case ?
Did people tried both solutions with Neural DSP plugins (the most natural vsts on the market) ? Does the 2de option will sound "fake" for the audience ?
I especially ask because of the new Soldano plugin, If I can use the 2de solution and have the same sound than the 4000$ SLO head or a Kemper, this new world is awesome !
To give you details, I play a mix between shoegaze and hardcore (Deftones, Nothing, Loathe...)
So when I (Mel) toured live this was my setup which was the blend of the two options you're discussing.
Guitar > Interface > Laptop > Neural DSP > Cab > and Splitting off into an IR.
I'd give the sound guy an IR option or Micing the Cab.
9 times of of 10 if i was in a larger venue the sound guy would use the IR and ditch the cab because stage volume wasn't important and guitar sound could be driven with either the wedges on stages or our IEMs.
In smaller venues the guitar cabs were important because it helped filled up the sound in the room.
The cabs just lived in the trailer just in case we needed them to be on stage. but after a few times aroudn we got the feel and understanding of what venues needed what setups!
Also I'm hesiting on the audio interface to buy for this live rig. My points : preamp quality/ noise level / latency / less than 300$. All the recommandations I found are based on recording not on this live setting. Do you have an idea ? :)
@@FortinAmps Thank you ! :)
Also, I want to use real pedals that are better in the power amp section (modulations and some disto/preamp), can I plug them AFTER the audio interface and power amp pedal ?
I very care about latency, you seem to have a pretty affordable audi interface, but how much would you spend on a gigging laptop ?
You can also use the balanced output of your interface and send the di to a PA system (I played in weddings with the archetype cory wong my laptop and my interface, it works)
sorry if im being redudant, but Im new to all of this. vut do you literally only used a small DI, connected from your interface to the PA, and you needed nothing else? Im curious because Id like to play live sets but the only effects i have are through my laptop using Guitar Rig 5 and Archetype
@@Cooldudehero123 yes! Your laptop, your interface and a PA system
@@KUM0 thank you!!
I’ve done this with the PA and and interface just make sure your cab IR is turned on.
@@MelTorres yep
rad video
Thanks so much!
Where that FGN at tho!?
Mel, I just got Fortin Cali Trial, and its crackling when high oversampling in Cubase 10.5, any tip pleasee?
Thats probably due to either buffer size issues or your computer not being able to handle that. I usually when playing live turn off the oversampling, and when things crackle i just print the plugin tone in the studio!
🤘🤘
:D !
What power amp is the best for a 4x12 orange ppc?
Just the one's I suggested here tbh, Everything from the Baby Bomb to the Seymore Duncan power stage should be great for gigging. unless your planning to rack mount it.
I gotta practice using automation for effects in my DAW
Let us know how it goes!
When is part 2 being released?
Released it a few weeks ago! Did you have any questions or did we miss anything?
I've got an annoying latency from the moment I hit the note and the result being heard.. It's a very short delay, but still makes it almost impossible to follow along a song. What am I doing wrong?
I've got the Fortin Cali plugin, with my guitar plugged in a M-Audio Track 2x2, with the sound coming from my desktop speakers.
I only want to jamm at home with the awesome sound of the Cali plugin. So no laptop or external amp kit. I sold my stock years ago, but the thrill to play is coming back.. ;)
have you tried adjusting your buffer size? we have our's usually set to 128 or even 64 IF OUR COMPUTERS CAN HANDLE IT THAT IS!
@@FortinAmps I'll look it up as soon as I get home! Thanks for the reply! :)
@@jimmygrenier9668 you ever get it fixed?
If I'm playing through a PA do I still need a Power Amp?
Don’t think so. I’m placing the same thing by splitting my signal into 2 where one output goes to front of house mixer (and then into the pa) while the the other output goes to a mixer we have on stage which gives 4 outputs good in ear monitoring
Nope
No you would plug directly into the pa but then you would need to engage the cab sim unlike we did in this tutorial.
Sorry... ho do i connect the pc to my guitar amp?
Need an interface, then From the Interface out to your amp return
which software i need to open the plugin
You can use any DAW!
Is that demo gonna be a song?!
Fingers Crossed.
Would this work with bias fx
Yes
Can anyone help with the cables to use in this setup? If you use, let's say the Baby Bomb, would you use a TRS cable into the Baby Bomb then speaker cable out to the cab? Thanks! *Edit: I know this is an older post, I'm just crossing my fingers someone will read this :)
It depends on the power amp the baby bomb accept quarter inch TS cable but some power amps require a TRS cable.
I would recommend trying out what cables are available coming out from your interface and your poweramp
@@FortinAmps Cool, thanks for the quick reply! Much appreciated.
0:30 fortin know well that their amps are so expensive hahaha
The Best comes at a price!
@@FortinAmps no one can deny this fact
A DAW consumes too many resources. I recommend using Gig Performer. A host of the plugins vst that is much more versatile and hardly consumes RAM memory.
Hey what was a live show again...cant remember 😂😂😂😂
Time can only tell. haha - Mel
Sounds like erra for intro music
Once you go digital, you never want to go back!
I’m pretty sure one would need some kind of re-amping device for this to match the impedance and line levels.
A PA power amp, baby bomb, or power stage accepts a line-level signal coming out of an interface. If we were plugging back into a traditional guitar amp head then you would be correct about the re-amping device. - Mel
@@FortinAmps thank you for the reply, great stuff!
Or just get the cortex when it comes out right?
you're still gonna need a power amp to power your cab.
the same concept applies. which doesn't make this video null or void
the automation trick for super-specific effects ie pitch-shifting in time and gating personally preferred doing in a daw. because I could draw, copy, and paste.
I did a few tour programming MIDI CC changes and I personally preferred automation because it was more precise and reliable IMO. so to each their own.
What Mel said. lol
The cortex is just a computer with knobs on it. You could buy one if you dont already have a computer. If you have a laptop, you could create the cortex with a $100 audio interface and plugins ranging from free to maybe $150. That vs a couple thousand for the cortex.
No, for a live performance you better use a plugin host specialized for live performance - such as Gig Performer, rather than a DAW.
I have toured the world doing this specific technique a plug-in host is great but if you ever want to record yourself and you have a reliable computer that can sustain it with enough CPU headroom a DAW should be fine and it’s relatively more accessible.
I jusy don't trust using a laptop live. Especially with Logic pro, where plugins crash all time.