Haiku - An Open Source OS That's Different From The Norm
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- Haiku has nothing to do with Linux or Windows. It has its ancestry in BeOS that was around in the 1990s, and it has been in development since 2001.
It's still only at Beta3, but I thought I'd give it a spin to see what it has to offer.
I found it very useable and an interesting OS that has been built from the ground up to be a user friendly desktop orientated OS that prioritizes simplicity and usability
over anything else.
Whilst still technically a beta, it can be a used as a daily driver and I'm certainly going to spend more time in it to learn it's features and its quirks.
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Haiku developer here. Thanks for trying the system out! A few tips:
* If you're having network problems in VirtualBox, make sure you are using the "Intel PRO" wireless card option. (The PCnet ones don't work quite right; this is actually a problem in VirtualBox...)
* You can use the "USB Tablet" pointing device option in VM settings to get mouse integration.
* Some of the crashes you were seeing have already been resolved on "nightly" development builds (which in a lot of ways are more stable than beta3 is at this point, we're getting ready for another release.)
Happy to answer any other questions you might have!
Many thanks for the tips. Really impressed so far
The "paravirtualized network" (virtio) network device option also works well for me.
What’s the long term goal for Haiku?
Any hopes of getting it more mainstream for actual work?
I love Linux but I’d be willing to try something else
@@dstinnettmusic Depending on your use-cases you may already find it usable for "actual work". The web browser situation makes things a bit difficult but there's ongoing work to improve that...
@@waddlesplash my works requires reading and writing emails, making spreadsheets and writing documents. So yeah, in my case it already is perfectly fine for “actual work“ 💪 major respect for the devs!
some people may not know but they managed to get wine working onto this , and there are some community stuff
Oh... ok. Now we're talking.
Hai-ku /Hi-koo/ Where does the name Haiku come from?
Haiku is named after the classical three-line Japanese poetry form. Haiku poetry is known for its quiet power, elegance, and simplicity -
I know… listening to this video butcher the pronunciation of the name is painful.
Thank you. I wasn't sure how yo pronounce it. I've played around with Haiku off and on for a couple of years and see tons of potential.
@@steveseidel9967 I keep chuckling every time it heard “Hayku” lol.
Haiku poetry
Is known for its quiet pow’r
And simplicity
@@TAP7a Haiku is a rigidly-structured art form. Most, perhaps all, English "haiku" are much closer to senryu than haiku.
I remember trying one of the last version of BeOS when it was still built by a company, and nothing was working properly but I remember being blown away by how snappy it was compared to windows though (beOS was the first multithreaded OS before even windows and you can feel the thing was built with speed in mind). I recently tried Haiku and loved the nostalgia of the UI and was surprised how useable it was, everything was working as intended and there was a lot of apps coming from the linux side of things. If their graphical stack was more advanced and wine supported... I might actually be using it more seriously.
wine is in development and coming soon, same for 3d acceleration
Just what I needed on a Saturday afternoon. Really interesting OS, always fun to have a play with something new.
I have an old 32 bit PC and I've been having trouble installing various things, but today I'm going to try to get haiku installed on it, so I'm going through watching videos about it. Love this channel, glad you've reviewed this system! I used the old BeOS back in the 90s, and it's so wonderful to see this project lives on with the community! Thanks for your video!
As soon as i saw that RE Interceptor in the back ... i imediatly subscribed !
I've just installed it on my Eee-pc, and it works pretty fast!
Have been using Haiku on a lappy for quite a few years now as it's just so fun to use, yes it is different and quirky but it is efficient.
As a linux user i shouldn't be surprised by the window manager but HOLLY COW it is F@CKING AWESOME!
Awh man, you travelled back to the Os and enjoyed your crashy review a lot. Wow! This Haiku really demands to have balls to get around.. Thanks for this funny tour.
HaikuOS is a brilliant operating system, with 3D acceleration and free of screen tearing, I would use it more often on one of my laptops!
now I might try this for my home media box for simplicity. Oh, and having the image I've created as your wallpaper is an honor!
I've got Haiku dual booting with FreeBSD on my ancient laptop, I've used it on and off for years. As soon as they get a decent browser, and improve the performance, it'll be a decent daily driver.
BeOS was my daily driver for years. Postmaster was the email client and the thing just rocks on low end hardware. Symmetri Mulththreading/multi-prodcessing makes it the fastest , most responsive you've ever used. I miss it still. :(. Best Regards!
You pronounced it wrong.Wifey yelled what I was messing with. I yelled back"hai-Q". After I came to from the rolling pin hit I realized I gotta get the old broad a new hearing aid
I'm currently building a retro machine that properly runs BeOS 5. When I found this OS in around 1998 or so I first downloaded the "personal edition" which allowed you to install it within Windows 98 and test the OS. I loved it so much that I purchased the "Professional" version and I ran it probably until around 2002-2003.
I missed those days and while Haiku is great, I truly wanted to run actual BeOS 5 and I can tell you it is a challenge. I am now running it fine on a PII based i440BX Intel motherboard. Finding parts that actually allow you to run it correctly is a bit of a challenge...but it is worth it!
I like it also! I came across it about 5 years ago when I was OS hopping. It looked exactly the same. :)
I used to support BeOS in the dark and distant past. Nice to see this. I'll try it out.
HaikuOS is often buggy on VirtualBox, but works fine on Virt-manager with QEMU & KVM
Thanks for the tip.
How does it work on bare metal?
@@llothar68 On supported hardware, it works really well but it has problems :
- Lack of 3D acceleration
- Screen tearing
- Bad support for most laptops
And some other things
thank you - saw your video and try out Haiku on my 11 year old Atom N455 chipset netbook :-)
I've tried it before on my Samsung N145 Plus netbook (2GB RAM & 120GB SSD) and it ran very nicely and fitted well to the low pixel screen - better than all of the light Linux versions I've tried so far; there was always one app window that just wouldn't resize and/or scroll, and when it's the 'Control Panel' it's somewhat of a pain. I didn't didn't encounter that problem with Haiku. I've currently got WinXP on it (purely for fun and because it fits to the screen) - I'm now going to resinstall Haiku.
Tried this many years ago. Thought they had stopped development. I liked it. Will give it a try again.
I really like the minimalist setup, but the fact they keep a sensible desktop paradigm with icons and a menu system for beginners to ease into. I can definitely see why some ricers mimic this -- it just works.
Ricers won't bother dealing with a mouse
@@WildVoltorb ricers are stupid
It looks like they put the effort in it and ported QT to Haiku, opening a door to a huge selection of applications that Linux users are already familiar with. Like Falkon, which is the KDE browser based on the Chromium engine. It's impressive what Haiku can do right now, and for a single user workspace it's totally usable as daily driver. The UI looks a little unfamiliar at first, but it's well thought out and allows an efficient workflow after a short time. Unfortunately, most games, graphics-, video- or engineering applications require 3D acceleration, which means graphics drivers, and that's a hurdle that's basically impossible for a small team to overcome.
I remember watching the BeOS video on Computer Chronicles and so I was interested to find out this is a continuation of that.
I ran BeOS 3-5 for a while, then, via Multiboot, and also had experience with NeXTstep. Both represented opposing ideas of how to solve a desktop and programming APIs. As we all know, NeXT won the battle for the upcomming MacOS X, and heaven knows, how BeOS might have grown in that role.
The multimedia and multithreading performance was outstanding. Apart from non-GPU-accelerated OpenGL and video, the real sensation, was the filesystem: its journalling was years ahead and the implementation of extendable attributes and near-database-features solved soooo many problems for applications, that otherwise, needed an own DB engine or data management:
e.g. the mail program didn't need an mbox or index format - ALL mail metadata have been handled by the BeFS. No need for an extra mailreader, indexer or search function. The OS' filemanager and its search and sort functions did it all!
Years later, Microsoft announced some "WinFS" that should come with a database filesystem - and THIS features was the first one on the way to Vista, that got kicked out!!!
Reiser4 ... never took off, despite coming near.
Another amazing detail I remember: playing an Audio CD in reverse! Reading audio Cds digital was not common at that time, but BeOS could do it and some drivers were fast enough, so that the BeOS mediaplayer could play them at any rate from -1.0x to 4.0x.
When I had a major crash on my disk/bootsector, the first OS that would be back on ... was BeOS, as its boot floppy would find the partition, and from there I could repair the Linux and last, the Windows boot.
BeOS could have added so much to the rest, but instead, the illegal commercial rip-off in 2003 (sold via german television...) was a mess.
On the other hand, BeOS, despite doing-as-if in the terminal, never was a Unix. It lacked user management an security features, multi-user (via network) etc., so, adding some BSD-code might have been inevitable. I also miss many concepts from the "real Unix path", like Andrew, Amoeba, Plan9 and Inferno, that the Linux community still ignores, in favor of bloated userland protocols.
Anyhow, I will take a look at the current Haiku state and I am curious how the original vision did develop, since, especially, as its deeply multithreading API should really fly on todays core-monsters.
Desktop reminds of my first windows95, i would install this on an old little laptop and just use it as a note book for writing, simple, clean & fast enough 👍 Nice find.
Dude has a motorcycle in his living room. That's good enough for me.
Looks cool! I'll have to check it out
I used BeOS when it was still good before they went out of business. One thing that impressed me is was playing videos. I setup my PC with dual boot and compared playing multiple video clips.
When I booted to BeOS, I was able to play 4 videos at the same time without any of them skipping. Then I rebooted to windows and it couldn't even play 2 videos at the same time. The pervasive multi-threading in BeOS was pretty awesome compared to windows 95.
I did very similar on a classic MacOS clone and had much the same experience. Exactly the same hardware booted to BeOS and had maybe 5-6 small windows playing seperate video files. I had to violently drag a window to cause skipping in BeOS. Merely playing 2 of the videos in MacOS eventually caused them to stutter each other.
When win 9x nerds realised I was a Mac user and tried to troll me in to a platform war I’d simply advise them it was arguing which was the better of the two worst performing OS.
I used to daily drive BeOS in its early days. Ran it on my Motorola StarMax Mac clone which had a PowerPC 603 CPU. It was brilliant. The only reason to boot back into Mac OS was to play games. However, the day I installed LinuxPPC on my Mac was the day I stopped using BeOS regularly. Not because Linux was better but because it had so much more software available. I kind of miss the BeOS
"Boot into MacOS to play games" Well, thats something you dont hear every day. =)
@@hbsbh81 People forget that Bungie used to be a Mac exclusive game developer and then a Mac-first game developer before Microsoft bought them. While everyone else was playing Doom I was playing as Master Chief in Marathon killing aliens and struggling to figure out what's going on from a shipboard AI gone mad. Bungie had the best FPS I played at the time (the Marathon series) as well as the best RTS (Myth: The Fallen Lords) both were Mac-first
a lot of thing were broken in it when tried it years ago has it got better did fix thing up
Here is two examples of haikus I have turned into pictures and sounds. One by Onitsura th-cam.com/video/FuPBprBTYkg/w-d-xo.html and the other by Soseki : th-cam.com/video/EfSkIRHg5_4/w-d-xo.html
BROTHER, YOU ARE THE BEST!!! You oooh really helped me!! THANK
As long as video playback in the browser works properly, I can actually use this for a real-world purpose.
Muchas gracias, excelente canal.
Speaking of projects that have been in development for a while, I'm interested to see where the GNU Hurd kernel is at. I didn't know it was still in development until a couple months ago. Once I get to that level of programming capability, the Hurd is what I want to contribute to.
the stacking and tiling feature is killer
I remember BeOS, never tried it but I remember it. This Haiku looks really interesting. I noticed when you showed the applet menu there was one for workspaces, so it must be able to use more than the one you start on, which is another plus in my mind. I'm quite intrigued, I have an extra disk so I just might give it a try on hardware.
Great review, really interesting and yeah, as the old Monty Python skit went, "And now for something completely different...". I'd give more than one thumb up Steve, but they don't let me. Cheers!
Cheers Rob and yes it does have multiple workspaces
@@OldTechBloke you can also drag rearrange windows between workspaces on the overlay. It’s another remarkably useful feature inherited from BeOS.
Back in the late 90s i did tech support for BeOS the it was based on, i ran both PPC and i386 versions from r3.5 until r5 beta when it finally died. That OS was amazing for multimedia and usability really, the terminal for it really isn’t that different than linux
Some say it is unix-like others say it isn't. I don't really know. To give it a shot it needs more softwarte and support.
It’s POSIX compliant. Whether that makes it UNIX-like or not is another debate
As I recall from back in the day, one influence on BeOS was AmigaOS. This feels familiar.
Hi, OTB which Os do you use as a daily driver?
Slackware
Like very much the tiling and tabbing function
tried this on a flashdrive, didn't do well something about bad port ID??? but sure enjoyed your video thanks for sharing
hi thannk you for testing :)
The desktop kinda reminds me of the old Amiga Workbench. Might have give this a go.
BeOS was WAY ahead of its time. I actually have a copy of BeOS v5. Unfortunately there was never much software for it. They did get some PC manufacturers to bundle it with some of their PCs but a certain shitty software outfit that still hasn't matched BeOS in performance with their BrokenPanes OS made sure that nobody could find it. I wonder what the PC industry would be like today if they had managed to succeed.
It's from the japanese poem style-- called haiku-- pronouced HI- Koo!! :) LOOKS good so far.. but I'm not quite up for the challenge yet--- I'll keep an eye on it and when it's a bit more advanced... willl consider it - or try it out in live version.. THANKS for the video
Browser is playing videos out of the box - awesome!
I've used BeOS in the past. It's sad when I heard that it crashed just playing around with the appearance settings as I believe that was my issue with BeOS years ago. I was hoping to see a more polished (uncrashable) system. I may try this out in a VM myself this weekend. It looks interesting but sadly, after all this time, it doesn't look quite ready for prime time. Great video dude! Really enjoyed it. Hope you're on the mend and feeling better soon!
I've started with BeOS r3.2 in 1998, great OS back then..
It does look snazzy!
Looks hard to get used to though
Very unique too
I've always had trouble with virtual boxes. I've tried to use them with Linux on a windows based laptop, but they either don't load or crash.
I only use Linux so can’t really comment as works fine for me
Interest video. You got a new sub.
Unfortunately Haiku just inches along barely getting anywhere.
Apple could have bought BeOS instead of NeXT as its modern OS but Jean Luc Gassee wanted too much for what was still an underdeeveloped operating system. It was blindingly fast especially for media and everything was a database. I think icons were vector.
It is still fascinating to think what might have been, but sticking with UNIX probably was the right move for Apple.
Really doesnt matter as apple is marginal at best in the pc world.
@@juslitor is it though?
@@PHDWhom yup, apple computers nowadays are basically a quirky OS running on hardware from the windows world.
I used to use BeOS 5 back in the 1990s. PC world sold it in a box for about £50.00. At that time Linux was a headache to install and configure, BeOS was a user-friendly alternative for me at that time, everything worked straight out of the box.
to be fair operating systems of that era were not as polished as today ones, just remember that Windows 9x was something barely usable.
For vim you have only to create .vimrc in the home directory.
the flat window decorator doesn't work. the dark flat theme sets all those colors and also sets the decorator to flat and crashes the OS. the theme file is just a text file. you could open the file in Pe, change the line where it sets the decorator to use the default and then you would have a normal dark mode theme without the crash.
iirc the theme files are located at /boot/system/data/UITheme and the user themes are located at /boot/home/config/data/UITheme.
i just wrote those paths from memory, so please double check.
or, you know, just make your own dark mode.
i'm glad to see haiku os in the channel
Sir will you make another video about it? 🤔
Possibly in the future
@@OldTechBloke thank you
are we not gonna talk about the motorcycle in his living room?
Believe it or not that’s my garden shed 😁
Haiku is a neat project, i don't think i could use it as a daily driver . I guess you could if all you need is a browser.
What's the name of your bike?
Royal Enfield Interceptor 650
@@OldTechBloke That's an Indian bike. I am from India. Love from India
No multiuser concept (you can't) login with a 2nd user shell without freezing the first user. You must logout the 2nd user to unfreeze the first one. So, no parallel User Jobs or Sessions possible.
Think if they stay up to date with web standards / browser tech they might develop an enthusiastic following (and maybe a programming language (lisp/racket)) - rather than a play thing that’s picked up every now and again to see where they’ve got to.
That was a very enjoyable half an hour plus, Steve. Tried it about 18 months ago, but it was very "buggy". Now motivated to install it on and have another go.
Nothing change for haiku in just 18 month. It’s under early development 20 years now
next step / window maker gui in gnu linux os is the same boat like haiku gui :)
This is yet another offshoot from Apple History. Very nice to see. Flatpak support would be a game-changer.
@Matheus Marinho I am sure it doesn't, but having Linux app compatibility would be great.
Writing Haiku,
How relaxing,
Until you run out of syl
Well ok then. That was interesting. So by the time I'm (68) 95 it will be in beta 4 at that rate... LOL
Thanks OTB for the look!
Cheers Mate!
LLAP
Lol 😁
Downloaded the Haiku iso; installed it in a Virtual Box VM; grabbed a couple of carrots and have jumped into the rabbit hole. Interesting.
Remember we did just have colds and bugs.
I remember BEOS. It was great but never took off. It was an alternative to AmigaDos. If Haiku is as good I wish them every success. Great video.
BeOS, a media OS that almost replaces the classic MacOS
MacOS is a different child and it was derived from Steve Jobs’ NEXTStep, Apple brought him back to the company, that became MacOS and the rest was history. The only thing I don’t like about Haiiku is the lack of a standard user account, which leaves it vulnerable to security exploits and software running without a password. That’s inherently dangerous and even Windows has abandoned the design. They should move the OS over to the Unix secure design and that would mean implementing a user elevation safeguard. Hopefully, once they reach a stable version, that will be done.
@@NormanF62 MacOS classic (OS9) is what it suppose to replace. OSX (OS10) was what Steve Jobs bring back to Apple from NeXT. In later time when MacOS classic was phased out, OSX was refer to MacOS generally. BeOS was a project by ex Apple Head of Macintosh Jean-Louis Gassée. I still have the original retail box of BeOS and was a big fan back then. I even tried experimenting writing some code on BeOS. You can read some interesting info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS#cite_note-13
@@singaporehikers - what code/lang can you write on Haiku/BeOS ? C..
I think it is pronounced
hai·ku
/ˈhīˌko͞o/
What hardware is this installed on? That's vital info!
Oh nvm... I see it's virtual
Yes I made it very clear it was in virtualbox
It was in virtualbox. It runs of x86 and x86-64 hardware. I have installed in VMware VMplayer and it worked. Now it is installed in a kvm-qemu vm under Fedora. I think I read that Haiku supports FUSE. It is theoretical possible to port Linux filesystems there.
Mate, someone has parked their motorbike in front of your sofa.🙂
It’s in my shed
If you really want to go down a rabbit hole, make a video on TempleOS lol.
HAY-KOO
It's pronounced high-koo.
That is how you pronounce it.
Good video, man.
Hey-ku? In SW US it's "hi-ku". Didn't know it varied in pronunciation!
High-Koo
22 year in bata?
Yes. They are a small team. The BeOS IP owner did not donate the source code when they went down. Thus, the Haiku team took several years to re-create the OS in a clean room approach, writing all source code again fresh new.
Active as defined as "glacial" development.
👍
Not Linux? It does use GNU Bash and system utilities....
I remember when this was BeOS :P
Have kept an eye on Haiku over the years - actually still have my boxed copy of BeOS lying around, which Haiku naturally inherits. I remember even on a Pentium P75 (I think that’s what I had at the time) BeOS' boot time was under 10s from the end of BIOS. Clean looking GUI, very 'different' file system with user definable attributes, replicants, etc..
I must have another go at getting Haiku installed on a spare, real PC.
Every os stands or falls by the software thats made for it.
Haiku OS:
By C++, For Old Geiser C++ Lovers. Just Like Me.
well, it is quite alike to IRIX. Nothing new here
"high koo"
I think it's pronounced (Hy Coo). Like the oriental poems.
Old bloke rides amotorcycle cool.
i wanted to use haiku, but I tried the web browsers in it's repository and all of them were broken, wether or not it was not rendering simple HTML pages, or not launching.
i could use the default browser, but seeing how broken same packages were I lost faith in the quality control
i still love the project, and I know it's on beta, so I'm not saying it's bad, just that I can't run it on hardware if that's the case
The only drawback is running everything as admin, with user privilege.That’s never done in MacOS, BSD and Linux for obvious reasons.
Pronounced "Hi-ku" like you would say "hi!". :)
"Hi-koo"
HEY-ku?
Garth... That was a Haiku..
A 700 gig download!? I thought Windows 11 was bloated! 😂