Sam Harris - Psychedelics, Meditation, and The Bigger Picture | The Tim Ferriss Show
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Sam Harris (@SamHarrisOrg) is a neuroscientist, philosopher, and author of five New York Times bestsellers. His work covers a wide range of topics-neuroscience, moral philosophy, religion, meditation practice, human violence, rationality-but generally focuses on how a growing understanding of ourselves and the world is changing our sense of how we should live. His books include The End of Faith, Letter to a Christian Nation, The Moral Landscape, Free Will, Lying, Waking Up, and Islam and the Future of Tolerance (with Maajid Nawaz).
Sam hosts the popular Making Sense podcast and is also the creator of the Waking Up app, which offers a modern, rational approach to the practice of meditation. Sam has practiced meditation for over 30 years and has studied with many Tibetan, Indian, Burmese, and Western meditation teachers, both in the United States and abroad. He holds a degree in philosophy from Stanford University and a PhD in neuroscience from UCLA.
Please enjoy!
00:00 Start
08:18 What Sam has learned about fear
11:37 Mindfulness as an intervention
24:21 On changing one’s mind
30:27 Surprises from the past year
38:07 Sam’s recent mushroom trip
24:21 Navigating the different psychedelics
50:28 Can psychedelics kill you?
55:57 MDMA
59:42 On bad trips
01:02:32 Hopes for the future
01:05:32 Psychedelics and the messiah complex
01:11:21 Self-quarantine + psychedelics?
01:23:22 Finding relief during the pandemic
01:31:15 A valuable four-word sentence
01:34:20 Your stress is not a character flaw.
1:38:34 Stray bullets and silver linings
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Summary/ time stamps:
4:26 Guest introduction
8:18 What Sam has learned about fear and anxiety
24:29 What thoughts and beliefs Sam has changed his mind on
30:34 Tim asks Sam what he has been excited to learn about in the past year. This leads to a long discussion on psychedelics.
47:25 Talking about difficulties with LSD
1:00:06 Discussing bad trips and the "Messiah complex"
1:12:13 Tim´s thoughts on taking psychedelics during the pandemic
1:16:53 Discussing the pandemic and how to help others
1:39:56 Sam talks about the need (and lack of) effective governance during the pandemic
1:44:50 Tim´s role in getting South by Southwest cancelled because of the pandemic
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great summarizing do you typically do this sort of thin on other podcast because if you do you've earned my sub!
@@htchamber2776 Thanks! I do this on all the JRE podcasts, as well as all Tim Ferriss podcasts :) Also on some other podcasts sometimes, such as Rich Roll.
@@lifeinstructionsdotnet8767 what about Jay shetty podcast?
@@AnkitSingh-gf1zb I´ll consider it :)
This is a great service. Thanks
Yay!! Sim Farris and Tam Herris!!
LOL:)
Whenever people are criticized by the right and the left, it's likely they're saying something smart.
Maybe Roe Jogan will drop in 🤔
@@davidisrael9799 well said 👌🏽
Less than 20 minutes in and I've already learned the most effective way to deal with anxiety/fear- Sam's point about how you can control "half life" of negative emotions is groundbreaking! Love these two. The value, clarity, and sanity they bring is unmatched.
You would love his waking up meditation app
You are easily impressed
@@msimp0108 For someone learning of the technique for the first time it is pretty f***ing mind blowing. Granted, it's been known and practiced esoterically for millennia
You are not your thoughts you are the awareness behind them
its not Sams idea. Mindfulness has been around for thousands of years.
Ham Sarris podcast to brighten my day
Liked before even listening to it. Two of my favorite people on this planet chatting. Be right back in 2 hours
Same haha
I noticed, in the depressive episode that I am recovering from, that depressive episodes seem to be very much like a trip. It was a profound observation for me. Very excited about the medicinal study of psychedelics.
Tim asks the best questions.
ive had 7 mushroom sessions over 5 grams since the quarantine started. imo you don't always have to wait for the perfect moment to dive deep. sometimes it can be the deep dive that gets you thru your troubles or brings some much needed perspective. Our normal daily consciousness wants to calcify us into the status quo where mushrooms cultivate more of the antithesis to the norm. I'll feel myself at times getting to used to the rat race and know that I need a high dose to shake me out of the collective spell.
so yea, its not always about waiting until your in a good space. the mushroom and other medicines can help bring in that good space.
i also had about 7-7 sessions since march and gradually increased the dose and each and every time I learned something crucial and different from the last time. my depression dissapeared and I wish to help others that fall into the same negative pattern
Agreed.
damn im sure you have a good dealer, im jealous
Acraze go out picking yourself bro, mushrooms grow in the wild
Exactly. The fact Harris and this other laugh-in-the-box imbecile talk about it not being a good time to trip due to current affairs is disgusting. It's so naive and I'm surprised at Harris.
Tripping isn't about current affairs, you ignore the noise and go away to find inner peace.
Starts at approximately 4:30
Thanks bruh
So much love for this episode. Thanks Tim. Just what the world needs.
Two of the sharpest minds of our time....love listening to these two play mental volleyball....fantastic conversation thus far!
Voices of reason and clarity
Thank you for this Tim
Ooh. Two of my absolute favourites together. Looking forward to this.
Instantly added to watch later, can’t wait!!!
I wish I could trip with these two
It may be an overly-curated experience for my tastes... "Please now put on your hemp tunic, we will shortly be proceeding to the Zendo for a handpan session."
@@mortdog hahahaha you're probably right
@@mortdog Considering the inappropriate, humorous, and horrific places I decided to take psychedelics at in the past, I might be willing to give that a shot. Still generally prefer specific music with triggered light shows, juxtaposed with jaunts into absolute darkness.
Let's go Sam! Let's go Tim! This was great, thanks for the sane rational discussion about the current climate.
You are an inspiration to me thank you.
*Hits Blunt while listening*
"what if thougths are just the result of an evolutionary ingraned impulse that is delivered in intervals by our brains so you go do stuff and while meditating youre trying to increase the time between impulses..."
*takes another hit*
"while i think of anything i lose control of my decision making capatilties and are basically hostage to my thoughts until another interval of the impulse happens that reminds me of my control..."
*takes yet another hit*
"i should do something else"
Lmao mindfuck
When tim ferris brought up the 2-6 hour period of an lsd trip where you aren't really tripping but arent sober either i can really feel that.
I trip and play xbox with my friends and during the come up my performance is increased far beyond what i feel i am capable of but once i hit that tail section of the trip i start to play worse then i do sober and just complete kills the buildup from the beginning.
Austin Thornton, hey there. what psychedelic do you have that performance enhancing experience with
@@dasociety129113 any of them. Mainly from a decent size dose.
Half to full tab of atleast 150ug or like 1.5 grams of mushrooms. Its almost like something else is playing for you lol.
mr Ferris your book 4 hour work week changed my life. ive read it in 2008 i think and at the time didnt even know how ti was possible to duplicate. but it changed me as i truly believed it was the only way to live life fully. i moved to costa rica from montreal, founded conchalfun and so on.... i recommend the book any chance i get. thanks amigo
Sam really whipped out the thesaurus for this one.
He certainly exerted serotonergic resilience 😅
he is a thesaurus
I came here to say this LOL. The amount of times I paused this video to Google the definition of a word is HIGH
30:00 superlierious something like that...haha
I didn't notice, but I'm not a native speaker, so I don't know what words to expect.
Insightful
Mind blown 🔥🔥
Interesting video
very interesting
Thank you for continuing to tackle and fund research on psychedelics! Psilocybin Mushrooms changed my life and was a big part in stopping my Porn Addiction!
great to hear how they’ve really helped you out mate. I started microdosing a few months back and they have really helped me with my anger issues and impulse control.
@@iltwlal You can cultivate your emotions however you want using reason. You don't need drugs. Just effort and willpower.
@@thememaster7
You can clean a house with a toothbrush, but why would you?
@@MrCmon113 Lol. Yeah but you don't sniff house cleaning products up your brain do you? Get your head out your arse.
Nice
Tim Harris and Sam Ferris together on one podcast ?
TAKE MY MONEY
I've been using psychedelics throughout the entire pandemic and haven't noticed any difference in my trips, really.
Great stuff, Love your work. But no video! come on Tim, I swear if you had video and only uploaded full length podcast, u would be up there with Rogan by now
Thank you both for such a wonderful conversation. What do you two think about moving away from using the word ‘trip’ in referencing psychedelic experiences? Treating the experience from a more mature approach could be very helpful in how we frame our perspective of and reverence for these deeply meaningful and connective events. Thoughts?
Chris Greg but you literally go on a trip mentally, I don’t understand how that term is immature.
Viva la Renaissance!
The legends combined. I wish they were my brothers
Harris had some humorous moments in here; I don’t know why, but it gives me a curious kind of hope
Do you know by any chance whether supplementing with micro doses of psy. can help or hinder ones natural ability to reach altered states of consciousness (ASCs) through concentration meditation? 🧘 (attaining 1-8 Jhanas in Bhudist terminology)
Absolutely do not go down the route of psychedelics…I have discussed with very high standing Buddhist monks who know with their own minds the dangers. Why do you think the Buddha had ‘No intoxicants’ as one of the 5 precepts for lay people?
@@theinngu5560 Because he knew how many ‘lay people’ were & are ignorant AF and wouldn’t know what to make of it & there would be insufficient ‘teachers’ to guide them through the experience etc…. No need to reify the wise, really. Besides, if they swallow all the “holy” crap, you can maintain a power dynamic just as easily.
@@theinngu5560
If he existed he probably got it from lawmakers before him. That kind of thing has always been popular.
Curious as to whether either of you (or anyone in the comments section) feel that what is being depicted in Genesis' The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (and Rael's journey to enlightenment) was also about psychedelics (magic mushrooms in particular) and/or meditation in the Buddhist sense? Many of the scenes deal with overcoming fear. Is the joy presented musically at the end, 'it'? Nirvana?
Absolutely no way will psychedelics take you to Nibbana ..see Ajahn Sucittos blog on this ..he is a Buddhist monk of many decades, took these drugs before his monk hood began and since saw how they really set him back. It’s delusion by those who really don’t see or know the long term effects. Beware…said out of concern for those who use.
@@theinngu5560 You seem quite determined in your opinions. Have you experienced Psilocybin mushrooms?
The institutional banking and insurance industry has been extremely quiet during this pandemic. We are experiencing a massive change in our food supply as well. Not sure donating to a website is our best use of resources.
Cause they caused much of our economic fragility. Skimming unearned profits, taking our potential savings
These 2 = nootropic of conversations
❤
I don't think any of Terence's ideas were that crazy. Complete visionary.
Lol! Many of his ideas were indeed crazy. Or at least quite mundane & ordinary in spite of his ability to waffle & elaborate eloquently & make connections that sometimes were actually close to profound.
@@christopherhamilton3621 100% false
@@mobleyMobley You went from ‘I don’t think’ to 100% false on my statement rather rapidly, methinks. 😎
@@christopherhamilton3621 I also think 2 + 2 = 4.
@@christopherhamilton3621 I also think engaging you is a waste of time.
I wonder if psychedelic therapy could help us adapt to longer lifespans?
finally
I'm not a child, drop the podcasts. I can handle spooky topics during spooky times.
*I think psychedelics can be really helpful IF not abused* 🙏
How do you abuse them?
@@stuflikethis Take them too often, or for the wrong purpose, or in the wrong setting.
They can also be helpful if "abused". A close minded and incurious person probably wouldn't stay so after ingesting 300micrograms of lsd.
Hello Tim! Another great session, thanks! One idea, we should really stop using the term "small business". There is really nothing small about owning, operating and building a business. It also sounds a bit demeaning.
We just have to protect the five holes on our face. If it was a very deadly virus that wasn’t going away, we would be wearing bubble heads with 100% filtration.
Bubble heads, pretty good for allergies, brake dusk and people with asthma in general. Would beat using mosquito spray too. Add some heating and air conditioning and people might actually like them.
How about having your own oxygen concentration, fragrance or other dosing. Maybe even a way to time release medicine intake.
Add some noise cancellation, sound projection. Why not go crazy and project some augmented reality.
A bubble head, who wouldn't want one. Not some clunky zombie apocalypse thing but more like a head shaped clear grocery bag that can be swapped out that attaches to a collar draped over your shoulders.
I’ll leave the implementation details to someone else.
Take it you'll be on board for the 5 gram mushroom trip 👍
Funny, ive been taking huge doses of mushrooms throughout lockdowns and its been great every time. In my personal experience psilocybin is by far the best substance for treating PTSD, over and above MDMA. I think there's a bit of published research on the topic, too. I think MDMA is not as powerful an influence on consciousness as psilocybin and/or LSD.
The idea with mdma is to facilitate talking.
I was interested in the topic, but these guys (and, I love Sam Harris) don't serve the subject well. Michael Pollen, 'How to Change Your Mind: The New Science of Psychedelics' is really interesting and informative. (In case you are interested)
harris could always be a comedian as a backup plan.
I want video
50:08 haha
Go plant based gdi! The single most significant and easy way to combat climate change
Worst podcast intro music, but great content
Serious? A 4 minute long commercial intro? ...
Nice to have a light hearted conversation but TF cracking up at every utterance wears a bit thin
looking for panacea
Agreed, rather it's the perfect time to smoke some DMT.
So according to Sam @1:40:00 the spectacular failure of the government's response confirms the need for government responses, got it.
I live in the country surrounded by wildlife and can't even imagine wanting to alter my mind through drugs. However, I have lived in cities and see why people take them.
The entire podcast went right over your head. You still think "drugs" are a monolith and that spirituality is equivalent to having nice surroundings.
@@MrCmon113 Sam Harris is well known for his favorable opinion of taking drugs and even said he fears his daughters will miss out on a very important part of life if they never get to try LSD.
I don't know what the rest of you are listening to, but after 10 minutes of commercials, I gave up waiting for the actual show.
Podcast starts after ca 5 mins. Not that hard to figure out.
Lol Is this your first podcast
top level 3rd density thinking, Sam. But has the economy and the lockdowns done anything yet?
COVID: I recommend watching Lex Fridman podcast episode nr 146 with Michael Mina. It's not just the GOP and the democrats that are a problem. Why haven't we made the rapid tests universally available all over the world? And what to say about the specialists? From the time this conversation was released the rapid tests were available for wide distribution!
Lunacy!
Skip to the 30 minute mark. Anything before that is pretty boring
Sam is due for another trip.
He recently did a 5gram mushroom trip and talked about it
The long term effects of psychedelics are not good …as shown by mental health staff who deal with the resulting psychosis and meditation masters ( Buddhist monks who before they were monks tried psychedelics and now having very refined minds after decades of practice can very clear see the damaging effects on the mind of taking psychedelics). Perhaps Sam’s use has caused his much publicised delusion in reference to his views on Trump. Any seemingly beneficial results that people have are not real. See Ajahn Sucittos blog on this. He was the abbot of Chithurst buddhist monastery in England for many years and widely tried these drugs before becoming a monk. He speaks with wisdom and knowledge.
Who decided that my medicine has to taste bad in order for it to be beneficial.
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I liked it really well until Sam started catastrophizing about the pandemic. Not helpful to all those of us that are trying to keep our heads up and are looking for the light at the end of the tunnel.
Massive exaggeration (on Sam's part). As a scientist, I didn't expect Sam would eat up the general narrative pushed by the general media.
Re3iRtH .. And I think he still believes in the official narrative about September 11th.
If a robot vacuum came back from the future to disperse its restricted take on the state of. the world, philosophy and consciousness. This would be Sam Harris. pure robot vacuum.
WTF ?
Uggggh 🤨 enough we need to ask how this started and follow the money & event 201. As far as Sept 11 see James Corbett's documentary on the money trail for that as well.
@Keyser Söze you the ask yourself what money and keeping your family makes people keep to themselves seeing Joe Rogan talking to the vaccine guy made me stop watching at all. Had bad experiences with those myself in the 60s
@@wendywright5486 was the bad experience significant cognitive decline?
Kai Schonewei
He should mediate his way through his TDS
Lol!
Exactly as good meditation will get rid of aversion
….. proper meditation with appropriate assistance, more like.
As I attempt to listen to this to duration without VOMITING multiple times… I’ve always POSED the Question….as pathetically misguided as this content is……How compromised your platform IS???? The Human Experience in America is a full blown Compromised Heath Self Inflicted with multiple bad choices….
Lsd and mushrooms are illegal still right?
Like the people who farmed the mushrooms or created in lab the lsd; could all be in prison now for doing so...
Now legal in Oregon
Seems contradictory that Harris promotes meditation and mindfulness (a very inward journey), but then admits he gets into heated arguments and criticizes others "bad ideas" and political stances... Doesn't want to dig it to show others "they are wrong" (a closed mindset to assume his ideas are "correct") ... I don't know, It seems very egoic. Thoughts? @25:00
I noticed that, too. But, I think, it's fine. Promoting meditation and mindfulness doesn't mean, that he has to be perfect. Don't know Sam that well, but he seems to find a lot of benefit in mindfulness, we don't know what he would be like without it. I practice m&m, too and get caught up in ego very often, still it's a good thing to do for me. And maybe he is a greater scientist than spiritual guide.
Actually, after listening for a while, Sam is probably the kind of guy who is so intelligent that his spiritual growth is limited by it. The buddha warned about that, Master Yoda as well. He likes his intelligence and being right so much, that he just doesn't want to let it go. I don't want to falsly analyse him, it's just his example is a revelation for me as well.
@@neptunstraumfahrt9341 I've listened to Sam ever since he caught my attention on free will. I found myself excited that such an articulate, thoughtful individual literally confirmed (pretty much everything) I'd been wrestling with on that subject. This led me to listen closely to much of what he had to say on everything else; to enjoy his sparring with J. Peterson and others.
I find myself in agreement that he does occasionally slip into displays of ego, but I don't mind that too much either.
There was the one time when he challenged Noam Chomsky to an open online debate and behaved (quite frankly) like an angry teenager and this brought him down to a level, lower than I'd held him previously in my esteem. How on earth can someone who articulates highly complex concepts with ease be such a brat all of a sudden?
Again, it's fine - he's fallible and sometimes his ego get's the better of him, like pretty much all of us experience.
Despite feeling surprised (and a little disappointed) for a while I let it go and returned to enjoying his dialogues with various folk.
Certainly he's a good and clever fellow who genuinely seems to enjoy exploration of both inner and outer space. A pleasure to listen to, more often than not.
He's questioning and learning from the right pages, just like any good seeker does - and I think his advice is safe and from the heart. I wish him well.
I don't see why that's a problem or a contradiction? Sam Harris is exactly the type of person we need to criticise bad ideas, someone who is clear-minded and recognises ego more so than the vast majority of others. He actually said in this podcast, 'I'd love to be proven wrong on this point'. So he is open to changing his mind. He even said he had been reducing that style of debate with others in a public forum because of the current situation, so I think you might of misunderstood.
Just one other comment, the very essence of meditation is to realise the ABSENCE of self, an inward self that is. The goal is to realise that the outward experience IS YOU! That's a very common misunderstanding. It's paradoxical and ironic that you used that as a contradictory point.
@@JamchesterBoozle A very interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! ☺️
Tim would get 100s of thousands of views each video if he showed them talking 🙄
But that would mean they would have to put clothes on.
Condescending and wrong on virus... not a good podcast... intellectually dishonest
Please elaborate.
Yes, care to elaborate?
True at heart tho
So Sam Harris doesn’t realize that his iPad been sitting in a warehouse no further than 25 miles of his home address (Dork
Didnt age well. Atheists lmao
Oh gawd / what a crappy podcast
Nope
These guys Re out of touch. In the middle of the pandemic they are talking about their trips. WTF?!
sam harriss 👎🏽
Tim, this is not offering something of substance. You are not helping humans with this.
Drugs don’t offer true help or peace for the brain. Meditation empties the brain, but the brain was made to think. Life without God leaves us with no meaning whatsoever, leads us into hopelessness, and causes many to fall into having to surpress the thought of annihilation of death.
The beginning of wisdom is the recognition and respect of God, the kind One who created us and gave us the ability to feel emotions and to choose. He offers meaning, a reasonable explanation of the suffering in the world, and an important mission to work on in life that fulfills us and has eternal value.
Sam Harris is an atheist, which is not a very reasonable or well-founded position. His teaching strips away all hope, causing the depressed to be more depressed, the hopeless to be more hopeless, and those who struggle with guilt to discover no possible way of relieving their heaviness.
My earlier days were filled with hopelessness, depression, and heaviness. The God of the Bible has helped me tremendously. I feel peace and meaning because of Him. I just am sad to see the promotion of things that harm humans. These atheistic thoughts have true consequences for the humans that are influenced by them, and many will destroy themselves in their hopelessness.
@@youtubesurf7003 Maybe check out some Former Christian channels. Leaving the God of the Bible has helped them tremendously. I was never a believer of any deity so I really cannot relate to your mindset but TH-camrs such as Paulogia and Gentetically Modified Skeptic explain how they got to where they are today. Happy without religion.
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That's some advertisement for your religion: Speaking with absolute certainty about things that you don't even superficially comprehend.
@@MrCmon113 You have life, you look through amazing eyes, and something beats your heart through an amazing vascular system as your digestive system deals with your breakfast. You deny God while taking advantage of all He has given you. That is superficial.