HOW TO COAL FIRE A BOILER - MODEL STEAM ENGINES FOR BEGINNERS #5

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  • @keithappleton
    @keithappleton  11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I bought the boiler a while back from a man in the New Forest (UK) & the pump was built by a friend of mine Don English - an exceptional model engineer .... I put them both together & made them work.

    • @harrybobb6764
      @harrybobb6764 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Keith do you have this boiler still I want know if you want to consider selling it

  • @PalomboDylan
    @PalomboDylan 10 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    please don't take this off of youtube. I love this video!!!

    • @Gersberms
      @Gersberms 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why would he do that?

  • @keithappleton
    @keithappleton  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks John for the good comment. The boiler has a "wet" firebox where the fire is. With a coal fire on a dry firebox it would not be so efficient, and without fire cement or some insulation the paint would just burn off - this boiler is like a locomotive boiler with a proper "wet" firebox surrounded by water, so as the water is all around the fire which gets very hot indeed, it makes a lot of steam and is quite efficient.

  • @keithappleton
    @keithappleton  11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I thank you all for your good comments :-)

  • @glumpy10
    @glumpy10 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for putting up this video. Very interesting and informative and I appreciate the time you took to do it.

  • @icefire001
    @icefire001 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is awesome Keith. Completely taken with steam. I remember shoveling coal, yes coal. into my grandfathers furnace on his farm. I've since grown up loving trains and steam. I just "discovered" live steam in searching for a model railroad to build and I'm definitely going to go with a coal fired live steam engine. Expensive... But in my eyes well worth it and will be regarded as an heirloom to be passed down to my son.
    I am wanting to build a boiler as well to possibly power a generator of some sorts, kind of like a science project only functional. Are there any guides or books to get to learn about building one ? The size you have demonstrated here would be perfect.

  • @keithappleton
    @keithappleton  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your pop safety valves are obviously much better than mine then, the safety valve in the video is a new one and seems to snap shut slower when new, but after a while settles down with around a 10psi drop usually . . . Thank you for your constructive comment.

  • @Scobragon
    @Scobragon 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I came for model steam engines, and I stayed for the dry humor.

  • @73Datsun180B
    @73Datsun180B 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah no problem. When we do overhauls at our museum, we have to re-seat the safety valves if they blow off more than 10 psi which at 180 psi is a loss of 18% of potential power. You never notice this as it only take a few seconds to blow off again. When your model boiler was blowing off from 70 psi down to 50 psi, that was a loss of 30% of potential power lol!

  • @raymondj8768
    @raymondj8768 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    o great video im not a hobbyist i just like old type engines i drive a super Comp. dragster for a living but i stumbled across your videos and just love them ive been binge watching them all night . verry intresting stuff buddy . you are very good building and repairing them thanks great work

  • @haraldpettersen3649
    @haraldpettersen3649 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Better and better 🧐

  • @dgautomotivefabrications5817
    @dgautomotivefabrications5817 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Keith I've bought my 2" traction engine your videos are great for me
    Thanks Dylan

  • @graemebrumfitt6668
    @graemebrumfitt6668 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this setup Keith, now I want one... but baby steps it is, first get my Stuart 10v made. Best Regards G :)

  • @stranraerwal
    @stranraerwal 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    a beautiful boiler and a very interesting pump-system.
    A very useful and enlightening video-very well moderated !
    Thanks for sharing .

  • @mattiasjohansson7718
    @mattiasjohansson7718 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is the Water pump (principally) a steam engine whiteout a "flywheel" and a cylinder that is connected to a pump (compressor-cylinder?) instead of a "flywheel"?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, with an internal shuttle piston operating a second slide valve to make the pump self starting.

  • @modelsp4684
    @modelsp4684 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    A very Informative Tutorial,,Many thanks for your efforts and for sharing with us Minions

  • @WayneSA85
    @WayneSA85 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video Keith! Sound knowledge, applicable to boilers of all sizes.

  • @nukl466
    @nukl466 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another perfect video, Thanks Keith.

  • @internationaltoyandmodelst7580
    @internationaltoyandmodelst7580 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    very NICE VIDEO AND A COOL LOOKING BOILER / ENGINE SET UP

  • @thevacuumtubejunky9774
    @thevacuumtubejunky9774 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful piece of machinery. Thank you for sharing!.
    Kind regards!
    Eric Dee

  • @keithappleton
    @keithappleton  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now you mention it - yes, although I am not from Liverpool like Ringo :-)

  • @jonohoff
    @jonohoff 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love it! That is a beautiful little build!

  • @Pef273
    @Pef273 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    That looks like a lot of fun

  • @ogreunderbridge5204
    @ogreunderbridge5204 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, I found it very useful. Thank you !

  • @peteacher52
    @peteacher52 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well presented - interesting and informative.

  • @Deathsaber435
    @Deathsaber435 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    mate id be careful with them oily rags ive known a few people to have oily rags self combust

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  ปีที่แล้ว

      I can't say that I have ever seen spontaneous combustions . . .

  • @ELPaso1990TX
    @ELPaso1990TX 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoyed that. Whats the cheapest price a boiler like this would cost to buy, even if it requires repairs?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I gave this one to a disabled friend of mine and he got over £500.00 for it on Ebay I think. It is a good boiler. I removed the base, the whistle and the hand pump before I gave it to him.

  • @adelmoworytko628
    @adelmoworytko628 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    awsome video Keith

  • @pavman1000
    @pavman1000 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want one of these boilers so awesome!

  • @mattseymour8637
    @mattseymour8637 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When firing using anthracite my fire goes out frequently and struggling keeping steam. Any tips for me?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Insufficient draft probably. If there isn't enough air travelling through the fire it will go out.

    • @mattseymour8637
      @mattseymour8637 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is house coal better for when starting out firing?

    • @OfficialUSKRprogram
      @OfficialUSKRprogram 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bituminous coal burns easier, anthracite burns hotter, like gasoline vs diesel. Try bituminous coal unless you've got ways to easily increase draft.

    • @mattseymour8637
      @mattseymour8637 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OfficialUSKRprogram Thanks will do that. I'm going to try some soft dry Welsh steam coal. What coal do you recommend?

  • @pauln1557
    @pauln1557 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Keith,
    How do you size a boiler for a given engine size, are there any rules of thumb?
    For instance, what size boiler is required to steam a little Stuart 10V, under load powering a boat or a generator set?
    I have my 10V casting set, so now I'm thinking - where am I going to get the steam to run it!
    Regards Paul

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      a 3 1/2 in diameter vertical or horizontal boiler will be fine for a Stuart 10V.

  • @ELPaso1990TX
    @ELPaso1990TX 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the diameter of your boiler and how thick is the steel it's made of? I'm curious because I'm planning on building a miniature steam loco boiler.
    Would iron drain pipe or an old steel fire extinguisher be suitable?
    Thanks

  • @leoisherwood4829
    @leoisherwood4829 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi keith, ive always wondered what the ticking noise is at 4:50?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you not watch the entire video? it is the noise that the Steam Pump makes when it is pumping water into the boiler . . . .

  • @keithappleton
    @keithappleton  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got mine from Ebay, they frequently come up on there.

  • @adamjames710
    @adamjames710 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Where can you get coal fired boiler from? Do you recommend any brands of boiler and steam engine.

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can't recommend any brands because most coal fired boilers are custom made.

    • @mosialive
      @mosialive 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There's a company called John Thompson here in south africa. It manufactures Coal fired and oil fired boilers

  • @Erikdc14
    @Erikdc14 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    i need some help on a homemade train that runs off steam and coal the pipe for the smoke to come out of through the tank is lower than the top of the door do i need to lower the door (make it smaller) for the coal to burn it seems like it doesnt have enough oxygen

  • @grhinson
    @grhinson 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you get this thing up to say...88 MPH?

  • @BackshopRailProductions
    @BackshopRailProductions 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Keith, I want to have a coal fired steam plant built. Could you put me in contact with someone who could help me out with this project? I want to use this in my high school science class. I'd really appreciate any help and advice you can give me.

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Heath Nicks There are some companies in the UK that build coal fired boilers. They are expensive and need boiler fittings etc. Also the boiler would need a test by a qualified boiler tester if it was for public use. I build complete steam plants, only as and when the parts come along. Shipping would be very expensive too as the parts are very heavy.

  • @JackMiller-zm8ue
    @JackMiller-zm8ue 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the blow of point loud on a 75psi

  • @pavman1000
    @pavman1000 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very cool,Love steam it is alive!

  • @carburetedseltzer120
    @carburetedseltzer120 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you run coal on any steam engine?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Josiah Aston If you have a suitable grate and firebox arrangement. But coal fired boilers are generally designed and built as such.

  • @brushbros
    @brushbros 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it correct to say that the same principles apply to even the largest steam engine?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, the principle is basically the same

  • @iloveRUSSIAAA
    @iloveRUSSIAAA 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is the steam blower just steam being routed up the stack to induce draft in the boiler?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cessna 182a Yes. Also the engine exhaust is routed up the chimney stack to draw the fire when running.

    • @iloveRUSSIAAA
      @iloveRUSSIAAA 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alright, thanks!

  • @chubby7570
    @chubby7570 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    where can i find one of those fans?where did you get it from?

  • @RichardGMoss
    @RichardGMoss 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are there fire tubes or just a jacket around the chimney?

  • @ELPaso1990TX
    @ELPaso1990TX 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why do full sized steam locomotives not need blowers to get the fire going like miniature locomotives and small boilers do?

    • @cwhuffman01
      @cwhuffman01 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ELPaso1990TX All full sized steam locomotives do have blowers, most of the time they arnt very relevant and noticeable, but the same concept on a large steam engine is the same for a model steam engine, to increase the draft on the fire (so it doesn't go out) while no exhaust is being created. In the case of a steam locomotive or traction engine, that is while the engine is setting still.

    • @trainzillamodelrailroading9905
      @trainzillamodelrailroading9905 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Our traction engine has a blower.

  • @9sec93lx
    @9sec93lx 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the very informative and entertaining video Keith.
    Is there a formula for sizing a boiler with a particular size steam engine.
    I'm trying to figure out my boiler for a 6 cu. in. engine, any suggestions???

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Best Racing Tips Win At The Dragstrip A general rule is the bigger boiler the better. A bigger boiler allows a bigger fire & holds more water so therefore needs less attention than a small one as regards water level replenishment.

  •  10 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow, where did you get that?

  • @mattseymour8637
    @mattseymour8637 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good video! is this the same fireing technique for the 1 inch gauge traction engines?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, coal firing generally follows the same principle regardless of the type & size of the boiler.

  • @abecoulter18
    @abecoulter18 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can I get one of these boilers and pumps sent to New Zealand

  • @mattseymour8637
    @mattseymour8637 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for that. How do I improve the draft?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can only go into detail for my "Patreon" or "Paypal.me" subscribers. I just don't have the time ........

  • @TheLordLaing
    @TheLordLaing 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Keith, i'm working my way through your excellent videos so i apologise if my question is answered in one of them. I was wondering what type of water you use in your boilers. Is deionised water or De mineralised water ok to use?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Mr-Laing Ordinary tap water - I live in a "soft water" area

    • @bemoahmad9756
      @bemoahmad9756 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can I use distilled water?

    • @harrybobb6764
      @harrybobb6764 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@keithappleton hello I want to know if your interested in selling this boiler if you have it still I need it for a steam launch boat for a Stuart turner cygnet steam engine

    • @jonesthesteam
      @jonesthesteam ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bemoahmad9756I use distilled water for my model steam engine. I don’t know about full size. I hope this answers your question.

  • @mattseymour8637
    @mattseymour8637 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi there, thanks for that.
    Is little and often best?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not necessarily, it's a balancing act between coal & water . . . . .

  • @Blehahib
    @Blehahib 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    where did you get that kit ?

  • @EverydayADV
    @EverydayADV 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Keith, is coke okay to use to fire a boiler like this or a steam locomotive? Coke is much cheaper to get in my country and I find it hard to buy anthracite coal. TIA, Tom.

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Should be OK, I personally have never used Coke, and I haven't used Heroin either :-)))

  • @samjacksonist
    @samjacksonist 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keith, where do you purchase your water additive from?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If I need any, I buy from Blackgates Engineering.

  • @lathanluu4535
    @lathanluu4535 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    did you build the boiler

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Carolina coaster No I didn't build it.

  • @carburetedseltzer120
    @carburetedseltzer120 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you run coal on a mamod steam tractor?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Josiah Aston No, not really ..........

  • @TheSteamer71
    @TheSteamer71 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interessanter Kanal! Habe ihn abonniert.

  • @danes3dfaberik403
    @danes3dfaberik403 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can I buy this steam engine

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I sold it a while ago . . . .

  • @icefire001
    @icefire001 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    One question. is your boiler copper or iron/steel ?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Matt Schuette This one is 1/4 inch thick Stainless Steel

    • @icefire001
      @icefire001 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome, Thank you Keith. You've been inspirational in my "rise to steam" so to speak. I'm in the process of sourcing materials and tools for my first boiler, Fortunately I used to weld high pressure HVAC systems when I was younger so I have a leg up on the copper boiler thing =)

  • @franknapolitano9144
    @franknapolitano9144 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can I purchase a Live Steam Boiler with the feed water pump like this ?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Frank Napolitano I sell them - that's what I do . . . . www.mainsteam.co.uk

    • @franknapolitano9144
      @franknapolitano9144 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Keith Appleton Thank You. I can't seem to find the boiler listings ? is there an "add to cart" option when purchasing ?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Frank Napolitano "Used Models" on any of the pages show what I currently have for sale. I am about to put some items on. There is no cart system, payment is by bank transfer after I send the invoice. Please Email me from the site and we can discuss your requirements.

  • @christianholbert6228
    @christianholbert6228 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you custom build this boiler? Do you have any plans or drawings?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Christian Holbert I bought the boiler more or less as you see it, all I did was test it & add the fittings etc.

    • @christianholbert6228
      @christianholbert6228 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Keith Appleton where did you buy it?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      I bought it from a friend, you can get model steam boilers via Ebay - but be careful .....

    • @christianholbert6228
      @christianholbert6228 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Keith Appleton I'm trying to build a copper coal fired boiler like yours..... I wish there was a way for drawings or plans and prints of the boiler.

  • @dansteam2
    @dansteam2 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have a sub! very good video indeed

  • @mollypenderson2851
    @mollypenderson2851 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The hotter the fire the more steam and the more steam the faster the engine right???

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's more or less what happens . . . The hotter the fire the more steam and the more steam the faster the engine and the faster the engine (or if the engine is pulling a heavy load) the exhaust blasting up the chimney drags more air into the fire and it gets even hotter . . .

  • @foscoe2496
    @foscoe2496 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    how can i get one

  • @szymongorczynski7621
    @szymongorczynski7621 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where did you get your steam coal from?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Blackgates Engineering sell it.

  • @nathankiewel192
    @nathankiewel192 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    where do u buy your coal at

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Nathan Kiewel A local coal merchant - Anthracite "Beans"

  • @pavman1000
    @pavman1000 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would like to buy one of these if you built it.....did you build it .....if not where could I buy one?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I didn't build it, I just assembled the Steam Plant and piped the Steam Pump to the boiler.

  • @pavman1000
    @pavman1000 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to buy one of these where could I get one?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The best one I have seen and tried out is available from www.castleinstruments.co.uk

  • @kaeirobertson9357
    @kaeirobertson9357 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Keith. Is this boiler a single or multiple tube boiler?

  • @l.crossjr
    @l.crossjr 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why is the pump moving?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      A bit of blowback from the clack valve ....

  • @handpuppe
    @handpuppe 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much did the setup cost?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Quite a lot really .........

    • @handpuppe
      @handpuppe 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      If I check the stores for a nice Steam plant. Holy cow! I mean your set is ..... ehh bigger lol So I guess... not cheap lol
      God video btw ;)

  • @balazs895
    @balazs895 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What´s the name of the boiler

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It has no name, the firehole door is from an old Stuart Boiler and the rest was made in stainless steel by a professional company many years ago.

    • @balazs895
      @balazs895 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you☺

  • @londonalicante
    @londonalicante 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone told you, you sound like Ringo Starr narrating Thomas the Tank Engine?

  • @73Datsun180B
    @73Datsun180B 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seriously bro your safety blows off for 20 psi, that's fucking useless. After 20 years of both model and full size engine operating, I find the pop type safety valves on all the models I've had only drop 5 psi and all the traction engines and locos I've fired/driven with ramsbottom and pop type safety valves only drop 10 psi. I think you should replace it!

  • @irf1630trains
    @irf1630trains 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where can I buy this exact boiler?

    • @keithappleton
      @keithappleton  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can't buy one exactly like this as it is a "one off" Design.

    • @irf1630trains
      @irf1630trains 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah, is there a similar one I can buy? Particularly stationary.