Ford Motor Company is issuing a safety recall for 661,000 2016-19 Ford Explorer SUVs at the request of U.S. regulators for roof rail covers that may become detached while driving and create a hazard for other drivers.
I've been mostly a Ford guy; 1st car 77' Mercury Colony Park Station Wagon, several Taurus wagons, Lincoln Town car. Today you couldn't give me a Ford product because of stupid poorly engineered engine issues, or like this video demonstrates, absolute inferior design and materials for of all things a roof rail. SMH!
The Christmas Tree solution sounds reliable, especially if you replace all the other clips and now you have a fresh start. I wonder how many of these got tore off at carwashes, too.
The only guy on TH-cam that will give people the part numbers and assume that someone at home is capable of performing a recall competently. People please stop talking shit on him because he is an honest guy and you think you know better than him because you put your craftsman mower together and it didn’t fall apart as you mowed your lawn. Keep doing what you do man. Appreciate what you do for the common folk with your insight.
I actually fixed my 2018 roof rail covers by using a heat gun to squeeze the rear of the covers. There's a side clip (molded into the rail cover) that has to clip into the black structure underneath. It makes a loud CLACK when it locks. So the 4 christmas tree plugs Ford wants us to put in the rear are basically just reinforcing this. The little gray clips with fingers (replacements are black) aren't the main things holding the rail cover in place really.
Ford addressed this problem on the new Explorer. They drill a bunch of holes in the roof and secure the rail from the bottom up. Now, if you need to do something with the roof rack, you have to drop the headliner. They also never sealed the holes properly so a lot of them are coming in with massive water leaks.
This gen has holes thru the roof for the lower part! I know because my solution for this happening was to take the rails completely off! 😂 Got the PI front part, sealed the holes and door bumper trim down the channel. Looks factory and I never have to deal with this again. 😊
I once had a Oldsmobile Bravada whose top windshield molding came lose on the interstate and began to self-flagulate wildly and scared the dickens out of me!
Seems like many of these recalls and warranty issues stem from them trying to shave minutes off the assembly procedure by making more and more stuff snap together. Roof rails, windshield moldings, quick connect coolant Y pipe, etc. Seems like new recalls every week for silly things that had they stuck to traditional assembly procedures wouldn't have resulted in having to fix so many things after assembly.
shareholders run the show ..shave pennies off 10"s of thousands of units .........ford knows a very low number of people come in for recalls..once a recall is public ,fords liability drops tremendously .......
Built Ford Tough! (with glue and plastic body panel push tab "rivets") Rivets are never the right answer! They proved too unreliable building bridges and art deco high rises, because they couldn't pass repeated strength testing for the required loads, they had to start using trusted bolts in 1960 with repeated strength testing. More expensive to make bolts and nuts, but less jobsite equipment and skill to install a bolt. Those rivets required a small forge, giant air hammers, and many skilled labor to get that red hot rivet 50+++ feet into the air and in the hole without burning their hands. Back when a building or bridge was expected to have a few fatalities walking those beams. Now we have safety harness and torque wrench! 👍 Those plastic rivets are ALWAYS broken under the bumper (however I doubt anything would be strong enough for everyone hitting a curbed sidewalk at the shopping center). Calling riv-nuts is insulting to real structural nuts. Good enough to mount a toy, never a good substitute for a nut. Even those welded tab grade 5(8.8) or grade 8(10.9) u-bolts that slip into the Super Duty frames can break off that tab and leave ya screwed without access to get a wrench on the backside. Easy for assembly line speed, bad for repair. "Right to Repair" doesn't work on unfixable designs, even dealership techs are forced to buy Ford Rotunda specialty tool kits because of the impossibility to repair the vehicle with standard mechanics tools! 😒🙄 How long did Rotunda have the only option for a Triton spark plug removal tool before Lisle, ATD, OTC, K-Tool etc. Specialist tools such to purchase when there isn't any options.
Brace yourself. The new Explorer (While beautiful) has more QC issues than the Taurus based Explorer. I'm so disappointed in what Ford did to that Explorer. Rushed it to production before the kinks could've been engendered out. Many of them get sent from the Chicago Assembly plant directly to another plant to fix what they caught in QC.
Man, this stuff is too common. I’ve been installing A pillar covers on Explorers for a while now, I see police vehicles missing them…still trouble. Hope they get it sorted out asap. Dangerous having stuff fly off cars on the highway, people swerve to avoid it…damn.
Where I work we have a newer Ford Escape setting in the lot with a bad transmission. Only 59,000 miles. The vehicle was not passed around to numerous employees. It was assign to a guy that is not rough on cars. I owned a Crown Vic a number of years ago and loved that car. However I have no faith in new Ford products.
I drilled holes in the back section of ours and used some nice-looking black retaining screws, never had another issue. I did this back in 2018 and now Ford does the recall.....FML
I had a couple on back order and they came in , did them, then a new one came in got it all inspected , and was asking the parts for the glue on supplies and they’re like this ain’t covered anymore and I’m like wtf I just did two lol.
Will be watching for my recall stuff in the mail. What's up with the stupid design of the windshield molding anyways? I got home from work Saturday and mine was dangling by the mirror on the door.
Any and all Ford Explorer owners should call their local Ford Dealership, Set an appointment, and get all the recalls takin care of at one time. I dropped my 2017 Explorer off and had the rear suspension Toe Link replaced (critical recall) and they did the roof rack clips at the same time.
@@FordBossMe I know it’s for the others that might see it. This was so gravy they paid .7 for the 19s30 then took it down to .6 a month later smh Ford can’t leave any meat on the bone
Are there diagrams that show measurements on where to drill? I just got a letter saying the parts are now in stock. Are these just standard black Christmas tree plugs or are they special ones?
How much of this video did you watch? I mean I talk about this stuff because I really want people to pay attention to what I'm talking about in my videos and sometimes I'm concerned especially when it comes to safety stuff that people are going to attempt to do this stuff them self and they're not paying attention to the stuff I'm saying Yes when you look up the 21s22 safety recall it gives you block by block instructions on how to measure Where to drill and exactly where to put these Christmas Tree clips
@@FordBossMe I watched your full video multiple times when it first came out and saw where you pointed to the drill points, but I was hoping someone developed a template to show the measurements and actual photos of the Christmas tree plugs. It would have helped to have the part #s written out but I see that 21S22 does list everything. What they mailed to me was just to bring the vehicle in. Not actual details or attachments. If these aren't special plugs I could go to Auto Zone and grab some generic tree plugs rather than wait 4 months for Ford to have them in stock. In the past few years, I initially fixed the issue by remolding the rear of the roof racks using a heat gun so that it grips the inside rear of the rail. There's a clip there that makes a HUGE clack sound when it engages. I noticed that the trim covers weren't molded right from the factory, hence they tended to lift even when my 18 Explorer was only a few months out of the factory. But doing a search for 21S22 on NHTSA's site shows the actual recall with diagrams and measurements, but with purple Christmas tree plugs. I hope these aren't the actual plugs. I have the painted silver trim covers. I know there are chromed ones and black ones as well. I wonder what Ford does for the chrome and silver painted trim covers. Just use the regular black plugs?
Side rails are a pain to install on these and get in the way when putting a jack under it or lifting it at a mechanic shop If you are talking running boards DONT do it unless necessary
What is the purpose of that roof rail? From what I see on your video, looks like it's just a cosmetic item, so if it is just that, why even have them at all?
@Mike Abney not ever having a vehicle with those type of roof rails, I thought it looked somewhat flimsy. My GF has a 4Runner with a similar roof rail type system and personally, I wouldn't trust it with very much weight. My tow vehicle has rain gutters so I have rain gutter towers with cross bars meant for ladders to which I mounted a double basket system. I saw a video of a guy with a 4x4 Suburban with those factory type roof rails and he mounted a basket on the roof to hold supplies and a spare tire. He hit a bump on a dirt road and the the basket came flying off the roof and he didn't even realize it!
Ford Motor Company is issuing a safety recall for 661,000 2016-19 Ford Explorer SUVs at the request of U.S. regulators for roof rail covers that may become detached while driving and create a hazard for other drivers.
There's a lot of p**** little man on this channel that are little girls and that's all they're ever going to be and they like to hang around 2 just be little girls
I'm a nice guy to an extent but when it comes to men that are just slime and they are little cry babies I call it like I see it, we definitely have some trolls on his channel
This build quality from Ford is exactly the reason My last Ford was a 2009 F-150. Ford is building nothing but junk anymore. They know it and let it go out the door, then the buyer has to deal with it. Most of the time they refuse to fix things and claim the customer must pay for the poor quality they produce. 5.3 3 valve for example.
who uses those roof rails anyway?... even if there was no recall ,i would never attach anything to those rails.get rid of em putty the holes sand ,paint and go explore....
I imagine the chip shortage will result in its own series of recalls down the road for manufacturers, with them so desperate to get chips to assemble cars who knows what they're buying to stuff in these vehicles just get them running and sold.
@@TroyOnymous You can buy plenty of parts from component brokers but the chain of custody is non existent. If Ford allows their Tier 1 suppliers to do this, Ford is basically committing corporate suicide given the AEC requirements for most, if not all, electronic components.
Ford Motor Company is issuing a safety recall for 661,000 2016-19 Ford Explorer SUVs at the request of U.S. regulators for roof rail covers that may become detached while driving and create a hazard for other drivers.
How about the moldings on the windshields?? I've lost several on the interstate
Ford and GM have a contest going to see who can have the most recalls in one year
Kia/Hyundai: hold my beer
@@paintballalienindy09 LOL
VW has entered the race....My wife has 2 on her beetle already this year.
They are replacing the EGR vavle today on my baby powerstroke. Hope to have it back by Friday.
It's sad how much you pay for these new cars and it's almost 2022 and can't build a roof rack right without a recall smh
That and Ford doesn’t even give you the roof rack cross bars anymore! You have to purchase them extra!
I've been mostly a Ford guy; 1st car 77' Mercury Colony Park Station Wagon, several Taurus wagons, Lincoln Town car. Today you couldn't give me a Ford product because of stupid poorly engineered engine issues, or like this video demonstrates, absolute inferior design and materials for of all things a roof rail. SMH!
Alan Mulaly needs to come back to FOMOCO as CEO and straighten out all the fuckery that’s been happening since he left
Preach!
The Christmas Tree solution sounds reliable, especially if you replace all the other clips and now you have a fresh start. I wonder how many of these got tore off at carwashes, too.
The only guy on TH-cam that will give people the part numbers and assume that someone at home is capable of performing a recall competently. People please stop talking shit on him because he is an honest guy and you think you know better than him because you put your craftsman mower together and it didn’t fall apart as you mowed your lawn. Keep doing what you do man. Appreciate what you do for the common folk with your insight.
Thank You
Any chance you guys can shoot out the part number for the clips??
Don't have a Ford but I always appreciate informative content. Keep it up and don't let haters drag you down!!!
I see all of the issues and I have to say God this is why I love driving an early 00s ford product so much more reliable
Thanks I will be watching for it for my 2017 explorer
I actually fixed my 2018 roof rail covers by using a heat gun to squeeze the rear of the covers. There's a side clip (molded into the rail cover) that has to clip into the black structure underneath. It makes a loud CLACK when it locks. So the 4 christmas tree plugs Ford wants us to put in the rear are basically just reinforcing this. The little gray clips with fingers (replacements are black) aren't the main things holding the rail cover in place really.
once again your channel helps this young and learning Ford tech out....thank you brother
Yvw
How's everything going at the dealership?
Ford addressed this problem on the new Explorer. They drill a bunch of holes in the roof and secure the rail from the bottom up. Now, if you need to do something with the roof rack, you have to drop the headliner. They also never sealed the holes properly so a lot of them are coming in with massive water leaks.
Gees. My head hurts
This gen has holes thru the roof for the lower part! I know because my solution for this happening was to take the rails completely off! 😂 Got the PI front part, sealed the holes and door bumper trim down the channel. Looks factory and I never have to deal with this again. 😊
Congratulations on 26,000 subscribers !
Tyvm
Ford Boss Me The info you provide us is priceless !
I once had a Oldsmobile Bravada whose top windshield molding came lose on the interstate and began to self-flagulate wildly and scared the dickens out of me!
Seems like many of these recalls and warranty issues stem from them trying to shave minutes off the assembly procedure by making more and more stuff snap together. Roof rails, windshield moldings, quick connect coolant Y pipe, etc. Seems like new recalls every week for silly things that had they stuck to traditional assembly procedures wouldn't have resulted in having to fix so many things after assembly.
shareholders run the show ..shave pennies off 10"s of thousands of units .........ford knows a very low number of people come in for recalls..once a recall is public ,fords liability drops tremendously .......
Oh shoot 😅
I will watch for roof racks bouncing off my helmet on the freeway 😅😅😅😅😅😅
I was goons perform this recall today but we didn’t have the new clips to drill them in
Thank you for this video, sir. It's so helpful.
Recently had this done on my wife’s 2017 explorer. My local dealer wouldn’t do the glueing down recall
you don't do the cooling down recall anymore you do this one where you have to drill holes and push pins in
It’s gonna take 30 minutes to mark the holes and drill correctly
Seen one yesterday on the road with those covers missing on both sides
Built Ford Tough! (with glue and plastic body panel push tab "rivets")
Rivets are never the right answer! They proved too unreliable building bridges and art deco high rises, because they couldn't pass repeated strength testing for the required loads, they had to start using trusted bolts in 1960 with repeated strength testing. More expensive to make bolts and nuts, but less jobsite equipment and skill to install a bolt. Those rivets required a small forge, giant air hammers, and many skilled labor to get that red hot rivet 50+++ feet into the air and in the hole without burning their hands. Back when a building or bridge was expected to have a few fatalities walking those beams. Now we have safety harness and torque wrench! 👍
Those plastic rivets are ALWAYS broken under the bumper (however I doubt anything would be strong enough for everyone hitting a curbed sidewalk at the shopping center).
Calling riv-nuts is insulting to real structural nuts. Good enough to mount a toy, never a good substitute for a nut. Even those welded tab grade 5(8.8) or grade 8(10.9) u-bolts that slip into the Super Duty frames can break off that tab and leave ya screwed without access to get a wrench on the backside. Easy for assembly line speed, bad for repair.
"Right to Repair" doesn't work on unfixable designs, even dealership techs are forced to buy Ford Rotunda specialty tool kits because of the impossibility to repair the vehicle with standard mechanics tools! 😒🙄 How long did Rotunda have the only option for a Triton spark plug removal tool before Lisle, ATD, OTC, K-Tool etc. Specialist tools such to purchase when there isn't any options.
It's not just Ford. Chrysler warranty pay is rediculous too. Been grumbling about it for 40 years....
This issue went along with my 2017 explorer when I traded it in. Now let’s see what fun recalls pop up for my 2021 explorer.
Brace yourself. The new Explorer (While beautiful) has more QC issues than the Taurus based Explorer. I'm so disappointed in what Ford did to that Explorer. Rushed it to production before the kinks could've been engendered out. Many of them get sent from the Chicago Assembly plant directly to another plant to fix what they caught in QC.
That was one of the things that used to drive me nuts with my Explorer. Car wash removed it the first time and it got worse from thier.
Whats crazy is the 20-23's had a recall or a TSB for the A-pillar trim detaching and flying off. WTF
Man, this stuff is too common. I’ve been installing A pillar covers on Explorers for a while now, I see police vehicles missing them…still trouble. Hope they get it sorted out asap. Dangerous having stuff fly off cars on the highway, people swerve to avoid it…damn.
Never noticed the rails on the newer cars...is it so you can take it off and mount a roof rack system?
I'm hearing a rattling/tappy noise that I was thinking is coming from this recall but after seeing this I'm not sure.
Are the bases of the roof rails bolted from the top down, or does the headliner need to be dropped? I need to remove a set completely from a vehicle.
Cool!
*(the video, not the plastic rails)*
Our 2017 kept having the rear section keep popping off. Fixed under warranty.
Where I work we have a newer Ford Escape setting in the lot with a bad transmission. Only 59,000 miles. The vehicle was not passed around to numerous employees. It was assign to a guy that is not rough on cars. I owned a Crown Vic a number of years ago and loved that car. However I have no faith in new Ford products.
I drilled holes in the back section of ours and used some nice-looking black retaining screws, never had another issue. I did this back in 2018 and now Ford does the recall.....FML
Coming soon: Ford 2022 exterior body panels and bumpers held on with clips and plastic Xmas trees!
I had a couple on back order and they came in , did them, then a new one came in got it all inspected , and was asking the parts for the glue on supplies and they’re like this ain’t covered anymore and I’m like wtf I just did two lol.
Yep they changed it out of nowhere
Will be watching for my recall stuff in the mail. What's up with the stupid design of the windshield molding anyways? I got home from work Saturday and mine was dangling by the mirror on the door.
Cheap Design
This looks like utterly garbage engineering design. Like nobody ever made safe and reliable roof rails for the last 30 years.
I love Ford’s but sometimes, sometimes……
Oh how I do not miss flat rate lol
just did I think 21s25. 2021 f150 with 33 miles on it. had to replace the driveshaft.
So this is why I never had the recall go away on my FordPass after getting my rails glued down…. Bummer that it’s still not complete
Also the dealer listed my roof rack mounting pads as damage because they had to remove the 8 screws to do the glueing.
Did the parts ever come in for this video I would love to see how the recall is done
Yes the parts did come in but the customer hasn't come back
What if I wanted to completely remove those and have whatever the police interceptors have in place of them? Do you know the part # for that?
Sorry I dont
feel bad for you in a way. lots of difficulties with new stuff. should have put the hook in the front.. no wind.
Any and all Ford Explorer owners should call their local Ford Dealership, Set an appointment, and get all the recalls takin care of at one time. I dropped my 2017 Explorer off and had the rear suspension Toe Link replaced (critical recall) and they did the roof rack clips at the same time.
This is gravy just like the 19s30 bring them on in. Also the explorer you just showed never had a 19s30 or the previous tsb.
I stated in the video that it never had the previous one done
@@FordBossMe I know it’s for the others that might see it. This was so gravy they paid .7 for the 19s30 then took it down to .6 a month later smh Ford can’t leave any meat on the bone
I don't even know how to use that rack. Sad to say it only looks good.
Buy American they said:(
Are there diagrams that show measurements on where to drill? I just got a letter saying the parts are now in stock. Are these just standard black Christmas tree plugs or are they special ones?
How much of this video did you watch? I mean I talk about this stuff because I really want people to pay attention to what I'm talking about in my videos and sometimes I'm concerned especially when it comes to safety stuff that people are going to attempt to do this stuff them self and they're not paying attention to the stuff I'm saying
Yes when you look up the 21s22 safety recall it gives you block by block instructions on how to measure Where to drill and exactly where to put these Christmas Tree clips
@@FordBossMe I watched your full video multiple times when it first came out and saw where you pointed to the drill points, but I was hoping someone developed a template to show the measurements and actual photos of the Christmas tree plugs. It would have helped to have the part #s written out but I see that 21S22 does list everything. What they mailed to me was just to bring the vehicle in. Not actual details or attachments. If these aren't special plugs I could go to Auto Zone and grab some generic tree plugs rather than wait 4 months for Ford to have them in stock. In the past few years, I initially fixed the issue by remolding the rear of the roof racks using a heat gun so that it grips the inside rear of the rail. There's a clip there that makes a HUGE clack sound when it engages. I noticed that the trim covers weren't molded right from the factory, hence they tended to lift even when my 18 Explorer was only a few months out of the factory.
But doing a search for 21S22 on NHTSA's site shows the actual recall with diagrams and measurements, but with purple Christmas tree plugs. I hope these aren't the actual plugs. I have the painted silver trim covers. I know there are chromed ones and black ones as well. I wonder what Ford does for the chrome and silver painted trim covers. Just use the regular black plugs?
@@fusionvic the only ones that I've seen are black and they come like inch-and-a-half long to 2in long Christmas trees
They got to be crazy
unrelated to this recall is it possible to install the side rails on a 2022 ST that didn't come equipped from the factory
Side rails are a pain to install on these and get in the way when putting a jack under it or lifting it at a mechanic shop
If you are talking running boards DONT do it unless necessary
@@FordBossMe no sorry I meant the side roof rails. The dealership I bought mine from said you can't but I don't fully trust their knowledge
Out of the fusions 2010 up which is the best ones to look for buying from dealership?
2010 2011 2012
Or any with a 2.5L non turbo engine
@@FordBossMe cuz dealership offering from 15-19 year model in my range. Bought wife 19 Cruze 3 months later damn injector already crapped out
What is the purpose of that roof rail? From what I see on your video, looks like it's just a cosmetic item, so if it is just that, why even have them at all?
Probably covers a seam.
mine has the rails connecting them
@Mike Abney o
@Mike Abney not ever having a vehicle with those type of roof rails, I thought it looked somewhat flimsy. My GF has a 4Runner with a similar roof rail type system and personally, I wouldn't trust it with very much weight. My tow vehicle has rain gutters so I have rain gutter towers with cross bars meant for ladders to which I mounted a double basket system.
I saw a video of a guy with a 4x4 Suburban with those factory type roof rails and he mounted a basket on the roof to hold supplies and a spare tire. He hit a bump on a dirt road and the the basket came flying off the roof and he didn't even realize it!
I'm glad my wife and I chose not to do the first repair, because this one sounds more robust.
Mines a 2016 is the recall expired for these models
We are still doing the repairs today
Remember, cop explorers don't have rails, undercover or not, civilian ones do
What year(s) Explorer is this for? I have a 2020. Thanks.
Not for the 20s you don't have this design
It's like 13-19
I'll get more into that when I actually show everybody that repair
Ford Motor Company is issuing a safety recall for 661,000 2016-19 Ford Explorer SUVs at the request of U.S. regulators for roof rail covers that may become detached while driving and create a hazard for other drivers.
@@FordBossMe OK, good for me :) My son in law does have a 2017.
Why not use stainless grippers and be done.
Who keeps coming into these videos and putting thumbs down? wtf man?
There's a lot of p**** little man on this channel that are little girls and that's all they're ever going to be and they like to hang around 2 just be little girls
I'm a nice guy to an extent but when it comes to men that are just slime and they are little cry babies I call it like I see it, we definitely have some trolls on his channel
.5 FOR THE WHOLE THING, FUCK THAT. THEY WERE PAY .7 FOR THE LAST 20N11
This build quality from Ford is exactly the reason My last Ford was a 2009 F-150. Ford is building nothing but junk anymore. They know it and let it go out the door, then the buyer has to deal with it. Most of the time they refuse to fix things and claim the customer must pay for the poor quality they produce. 5.3 3 valve for example.
who uses those roof rails anyway?... even if there was no recall ,i would never attach anything to those rails.get rid of em putty the holes sand ,paint and go explore....
That is so mickey mouse I hate to call it mickey mouse. That is just dumb assery.
Must be caused by the chip shortage
Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha
I imagine the chip shortage will result in its own series of recalls down the road for manufacturers, with them so desperate to get chips to assemble cars who knows what they're buying to stuff in these vehicles just get them running and sold.
@@TroyOnymous You can buy plenty of parts from component brokers but the chain of custody is non existent. If Ford allows their Tier 1 suppliers to do this, Ford is basically committing corporate suicide given the AEC requirements for most, if not all, electronic components.