The Deadliest Karate Fighter (Motobu Choki)

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  • How did Choki Motobu defeat Gichin Funakoshi - the father of modern karate in Japan?
    Discover the Okinawan kumite expert who challenged the founder of Shotokan karate... and won!
    If you're interested in karate's history, practical self-defense and kata bunkai (applications), you'll love this story!
    0:00 - Motobu Choki vs. Gichin Funakoshi
    0:45 - Biography & Karate Experience
    2:35 - Moving From Okinawa To Osaka
    4:21 - Confronting Funakoshi in Tokyo
    5:45 - The Aftermath & Conclusion
    Illustrations by Kyle Duske (kumakai.ca)
    Music by Scott Buckley
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  • @KARATEbyJesse
    @KARATEbyJesse  3 ปีที่แล้ว +338

    Discover how Motobu defeated the foreign boxer 🥊 (and why Funakoshi got the credit) in my previous video: th-cam.com/video/jSLAcC5X8iE/w-d-xo.html 🥋

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Domo arigato! 🙏

    • @mrjuice1926
      @mrjuice1926 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Excellent this video speaks volumes !! Okinawa well always remain the true essence of karate ! Well done sensei Jesse you are crucial to the history and art of karate

    • @austinwiebe2648
      @austinwiebe2648 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I love these videos on the history of Okinawan and Japanese karate. Why not do a video on the history of Taekwondo (Korean karate) ? As a Taekwondo instructor I would love to see that

    • @milojanjusevic6259
      @milojanjusevic6259 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Respected Sir Encamp, do make a story with sensei Mikio Yahara (Shotokan) about his real (street) fight with the Yakuza gang and then comment Shotokan style this way. Best regards!

    • @pausetapemedia7942
      @pausetapemedia7942 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for posting this i been in search of His Style of fighting since you posted the last one. And yes he was a Karate Fighter for real.

  • @Orimthekeyacolite
    @Orimthekeyacolite 3 ปีที่แล้ว +793

    3 takedowns in tuishou challanges are also traditional. The proverb goes: "If your opponent lost once it might be an accident, twice - cunning strategy, but three times really prove who's better"

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      Thank you! Fascinating

    • @LuizEnger
      @LuizEnger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      And this is why I read the comments

    • @caeserromero3013
      @caeserromero3013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But if he's coming back after 8 times, he's a persistent fcuker :)

    • @terryseldon7446
      @terryseldon7446 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Best out of 3🤣👌

    • @terryseldon7446
      @terryseldon7446 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This is proven in mma

  • @StrainXv
    @StrainXv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1490

    It's sad Motobu's style is almost extinct, Practical martial arts should always have a place in the world.

  • @jshaw3793
    @jshaw3793 3 ปีที่แล้ว +792

    Motobu basically in translation described funakoshi as the first mcdojo 😂

    • @rxj0765
      @rxj0765 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      😂 good one!

    • @kogaryu5558
      @kogaryu5558 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      And we all study McKarate.🤷🙆🤭🤣

    • @RXLXNTLXSS
      @RXLXNTLXSS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@kogaryu5558 On truth kata contains all those Lost techniques

    • @Purpleninjawv
      @Purpleninjawv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The every American in rotc program bought a mcdojo franchise.

    • @toms.6310
      @toms.6310 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@RXLXNTLXSS Maybe, probably, but it also most likely movement changed over time to look more impressive and lost its original meaning, which makes it hard to reverse engineer it to Kumite. It's like a book that was typed thousands of times and every time few words have changed.

  • @TheThinkersBible
    @TheThinkersBible ปีที่แล้ว +108

    Motobu Choki is a tragic story. But I think your insight into Motobu not doing politics well is probably a huge contributing factor. I also think your insight into kata vs kumite focus is decisive. It's similar to judo, which toned down jujitsu into an art learnable with significantly less risk of injury and thus got popularized worldwide. Same with Ueshiba's aikido vs the softened 'dance' style that's spread much farther than his original jujitsu based style. Softer and easier and less risky = more popular.

  • @koichote
    @koichote 3 ปีที่แล้ว +254

    My name is Choki Koichi, my father call me like motobu sensei. This history are amazing. We practice Karate too 🥋. We learned Motobu Ha Shito Ryu

    • @davidaguirre9125
      @davidaguirre9125 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      May i ask wat type of karate would be useful for mma ?

    • @jarabotelho5275
      @jarabotelho5275 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@davidaguirre9125 I bet the discipline wonderboy learnt could be one of the tactical ones for mma

    • @martinrogerattrappelechat3639
      @martinrogerattrappelechat3639 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@davidaguirre9125 it's not only karate, but daido juku (kudo) seems to me the most realistic for mma.

    • @stoopidhaters
      @stoopidhaters ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jarabotelho5275 Or Machida.

    • @PureShrimp
      @PureShrimp ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@davidaguirre9125 Dai Ki Haku martial art or kudo martial sport

  • @tsh2613
    @tsh2613 3 ปีที่แล้ว +523

    I wish I had a elder brother like you to tell me these awesome stories every night!!!!!

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      Me too! 🤪

    • @rosetheguineapig4230
      @rosetheguineapig4230 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@KARATEbyJesse hi did you see the comment i posted

    • @rosetheguineapig4230
      @rosetheguineapig4230 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@yamiyomizuki is this class a mcdojo or real

    • @Steven-nv7ho
      @Steven-nv7ho 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      May you find someone like an older brother one day

    • @MrChegcelestialslides
      @MrChegcelestialslides 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂That's quite a sweet thing to say! 👍

  • @descart7285
    @descart7285 2 ปีที่แล้ว +316

    Lessons to be learned:
    1. Victory of the aggressor is short lived. There is a reason why Funakoshi focused on Kata and character development.
    2. Be humble always. You may be the top in your class, but there is always someone stronger and better.

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Well said 👍

    • @marceloherzfeld4019
      @marceloherzfeld4019 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Una buena enseñanza !!!

    • @nikolambert314
      @nikolambert314 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      More like - sweet talks, politicking and social connections mean more to people than actual truth :)

    • @Greedman456
      @Greedman456 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@nikolambert314exactly

    • @JimCunningham-jr7qv
      @JimCunningham-jr7qv 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      3. Dont train an art that is not practical

  • @thecybercat4420
    @thecybercat4420 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    My dojo practices Isshin-Ryu, and our books tell about the history of our founder, Tatsuo Shimabuku. According to the book, the first master he sought out and trained under was Choki Motubu himself. I didn't realize how unknown Motobu-Ryu is today as a whole, but our dojo still prioritizes using different katas as a means to train one's muscle memory, just how he must've taught Shimabuku. Amazing stuff

    • @TheSandkastenverbot
      @TheSandkastenverbot ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Katas are a maximally inefficient way to train muscle memory and Motobu knew that

    • @varanid9
      @varanid9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@TheSandkastenverbot Yes, most don't realize that Katas come from the Chinese fist sets, or "kuen", of which the main purpose was to imbed the curriculum of a fighting system into the student's nervous system or "muscle memory" in order to preserve its basics, as opposed to the difficult, often counter-intuitive task of writing the methods down for an illiterate society. There were also the fist sets of styles that used them as choreographed fight scenes for Chinese boat operas. Forms training is nothing more than this, or dances to impress audiences.

    • @AcceleratingUniverse
      @AcceleratingUniverse 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Shimabuku studied under Motobu in his 30s, for 1 year, so no. He had practiced karate for probably 2 decades before he met Motobu.

    • @sjd421
      @sjd421 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@AcceleratingUniverse +1

    • @TesseractPleiadesOrion
      @TesseractPleiadesOrion 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@TheSandkastenverbotCan you expand on that please? Serious question BTW 👍🏾

  • @oki1966
    @oki1966 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    As someone who grew up in Okinawa and excelled more in fighting than pretty moves of Kata during tournaments, Motobu Choki seems like someone I would have loved to learn from. Thank you for generating my interest in Karate again. Things that you learn in TH-cam sometimes are a good thing.

  • @lucacasadio3001
    @lucacasadio3001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    I actually read about Motobu some years ago. I am completely respectful towards him because this was his personal karate-do. He put a lot of effort into improving his personal style even if he's not really appreciated or popular.

    • @mohaimenulimam233
      @mohaimenulimam233 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's a sad story that his style did not get famous.

    • @lucacasadio3001
      @lucacasadio3001 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mohaimenulimam233 yes indeed

  • @GODQUIRIDO
    @GODQUIRIDO 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    The Motobu style really deserves more exposure, It is such a shame that this Strong and real style got Lost in time :( thanks for the Amazing video (as always) !
    As a guy who trained in a Lot of styles and found his home in kyokushin karate, your Channel is gem for me and many others :)

    • @WillGGG
      @WillGGG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      While it may be practical in a fight, The reality is that most people wont join a dojo where they get beat up and bloodied every night. You would spend more time healing from injuries than training

  • @minhducnguyen674
    @minhducnguyen674 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Google: Karate was meant for charater development and forging great human being, not necessarily fighters.
    Bing:

  • @BellowDGaming
    @BellowDGaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    YES! I was waiting for this ever since Motobu was mentioned in the video How Boxing Destroyed Karate. Thank you Jesse for continuing his story.

  • @maxzhao8331
    @maxzhao8331 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    imagine if motobu had youtube back then. he would be a youtube legend!

  • @kpitman1990
    @kpitman1990 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Even your older videos Jesse bring me joy after all this time. Rewatched this recently because after going on 13 plus years of practicing martial arts, I’ve been feeling the lows of what martial art “politics” have been like. In a way, I would dare to say I feel for Motobu and what frustrations he may have gone through seeing and being part of that process. Thank you so much for educating everyone about the history of karate-do.

  • @donbarracuda546
    @donbarracuda546 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    Motobu won the battle but lost the war. This story teaches a powerful lesson about character, vision, and wisdom (and what it is to lack them). It is not enough to strive to be the best or prove that you are the best; you also have to learn to be a respectful and well-rounded human being, capable of playing well with others.
    Great content, by the way. You have one new subscriber!

    • @viniciusferreiradeoliveira183
      @viniciusferreiradeoliveira183 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Totally agree

    • @Mlai00
      @Mlai00 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Or as we Yankees like to say, "It's not what you know, it's who you know."

    • @revariox189
      @revariox189 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I would still prefer to be lonely and forgotten at the top of what I consider my own best than to bend over backwards to have my name or style associated with posterity. His style is irrelevant, his philosophy of life is GOLD.

    • @user-pp3em5mc3m
      @user-pp3em5mc3m ปีที่แล้ว +13

      There is also such thing as support of the authority. Funakoshi had official support. So don't make up lessons from a story you don't know.

    • @Greedman456
      @Greedman456 ปีที่แล้ว

      More like how bootlicking snakes with connections prevail to the eyes of the people and how little people actually care for quality over reputation...

  • @santhoshgajaraj2113
    @santhoshgajaraj2113 3 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    Those comics style art was so nice, and also an interesting video as usual, thank you Jesse-san.

  • @RamonChiNangWong078
    @RamonChiNangWong078 3 ปีที่แล้ว +247

    I wish we all cross hands like they do back then
    Also If Motobu is alive today, he would have been a real MMA guy

    • @nelsonmcatee3721
      @nelsonmcatee3721 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Notice Bruce Lee does the same thing in Enter The Dragon.

    • @saileshnaidu8102
      @saileshnaidu8102 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Danial and Chozen do it in season 3 ep 5 of Cobra Kai

    • @jeronimo196
      @jeronimo196 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Aikido will finally have a chance.

    • @Tony.L9793
      @Tony.L9793 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Motobu vs Ip Man will be interesting

    • @kendellsmith104
      @kendellsmith104 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lololololol

  • @teikarate
    @teikarate 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    love your videos, which I've just stumbled on over last couple of months. I trained in the 80s up to early 2000s, and love my karate history. I've recently developed a strong urge to get back into training and your videos are really inspirational

  • @jamesdigeorgia6112
    @jamesdigeorgia6112 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Sensei Miyazaki was my first karate sensei.
    His first dojo in NY was in fact in Jackson Heights, Queens. He opened it with a man names Pierce as I remember - one of his black belt sempai. He moved the dojo to flushing after 2 years. I started judo class at Sensei Miyazaki insistence. He didn't want me learning karate until I could fall and could be trusted with attemi waze. He was a wonderful man who spend a lot of time me when I was 6-12. He taught me much more than karate. He taught me to listen and learn. I genuinely held him in the highest regard. His patience seemed to be unlimited when it came time to teach me the first 4 Kata's and basic karate.
    I moved to Connecticut in the early fall of 1971 and was incredibly lucky to wind up at a judo club that began at Newtown High School in Sandy Hook.
    Sensei Jerry Kunzman was a Ju Jitsu and Judo Nidan at the time and one of the original USJA clubs. He was a billiant student of Duke Moore 10th Dan from the San Francisco Bay area, and reached the rank of 8th Dan.
    After 48 years I hold a Yodan in Ju Jitsu, Nidan in Judo and Shodan in Japanese Karate. I've studied with Wally Jay Sr. and Wally Jay Jr., and studied Aikido with several of the greatest Sensei & Professors in the world, including Walter Todd. For years when I traveled on business around the world II used the trips to also teach as a guest instructor and attended (visiting) hundreds of dojos around the world. My knees, back and neck are shit today from being thrown across literally thousands of rooms.
    I often think back on Sensei Miyazaki, the dojo in Jackson Heights and Flushing and the wonderful judo Sensei and the kind students that all treated me like I was a kid with tremendous potential. I had to be one of the youngest students back then. That early experience and those memories are priceless.
    I remember sitting on a door step with Sensei Miyazaki one day, I was about 8. He pulled out a coconut and with only his hands by bashing it one time on the pavement in front of us and twisting the shell. For a small man he had hands like jackhammers. He offered me some juice and then broke a piece off for me to chew. It was so good, we just smiled at one another and laughed for a good 5 minutes. Man he was a good, really good person and role model.

  • @Wessex90
    @Wessex90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    I’ve read that his son is still alive at the age of 95 and continued teaching his style.

    • @williamcarlson9379
      @williamcarlson9379 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      That is by definition awesome!

    • @robertwelch3240
      @robertwelch3240 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That is correct

    • @MrKaido93
      @MrKaido93 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Awesome to hear that Motobu Choki's son is still alive teaching his style. I'd like to see this style how it compares to Kyokushinkai.

    • @Wessex90
      @Wessex90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrKaido93 I think there are a few videos on TH-cam doing Kata. I’ve forgotten his name, but it’s easy enough to find online.

    • @robertwelch3240
      @robertwelch3240 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@MrKaido93 tsunami released a video about 15 years ago. There is also footage of Motobu ryu available on TH-cam. It is nothing like Kyokushin. Motobu ryu is Okinawan Shorin ryu karate.

  • @joedasilva3866
    @joedasilva3866 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    5:46 that's something I'll never understand 😶 Why can't both be just one, the skills effective for actual fighting also working as a path to develop character and forge a good human being? Can't really see how those things are mutually exclusive... 😶😐

  • @rickluiten8355
    @rickluiten8355 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    From all I have been told Motobu Choki was an amazing fighter. Three of my sensei that I have studied with trained under Shimabuku Tatsuo who had Motobu Choki for one of his teachers. While training on Okinawa back in the seventies he was mentioned quite often. I am happy that you are making him and other Okinawan history available to people today.

  • @Muzzie0323
    @Muzzie0323 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I was completely mesmerized as you were telling this story. You are a wonderful orator sir, please continue teaching us the history of karate.

  • @32battalion24
    @32battalion24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    You will like the story of Akio Takahashi, who was considered the most feared fighter in Japan in the 70's. Western Bouncer and wrestler Gary Spiers, Steve Morris and many other have detailed the prowess of this unknown guy. He came from Seiwakai and went off on his own to start Kenwakai, he seemed to have a background in Judo as well.

  • @murilocaruy
    @murilocaruy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    You could do a few videos presenting Choki's style and his descendants

  • @dyonesios
    @dyonesios ปีที่แล้ว

    This video is a gem. I love that you're keeping the history alive.

  • @boereburger6762
    @boereburger6762 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Osu sensei Jesse. You are reviving history, traditions, philosophy and the true hart of Karate, the things that was lost.

  • @frankcastle8363
    @frankcastle8363 3 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I can imagine the hypothetical fight between Motobu Choki and Mas Oyama.

    • @PrinceAkaiVtuber
      @PrinceAkaiVtuber 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Would probably be an all brawl I'd pay to see that

    • @ntuthukobrendonbhengu7518
      @ntuthukobrendonbhengu7518 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I swear the world doesn't respect the late great Mas Oyama enough. 🙏🏾🥋😭🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @huntergrant6520
      @huntergrant6520 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@ntuthukobrendonbhengu7518 he was good. But he wasn't as invincible as they claimed. He like a cross between a karateka/strong man/P.T. Barnum.

    • @Iloveyounot
      @Iloveyounot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Both have devoted their lives to Martial Arts and I respect both fighters. I'm sure we can agree it would have been a great fight.

    • @tofa8967
      @tofa8967 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah

  • @dunnagan5
    @dunnagan5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I have trained in Shotokan for 23 years and counting and this truth bomb kinda stings! Even prior to Covid the dojo I train in focused mainly on kata and freestyle sparring was a very rare treat. Now I want to spar with kickboxers and BJJ practitioners because I want to be pressure tested for real and be humbled thoroughly!

    • @user-io4oo2dh6y
      @user-io4oo2dh6y หลายเดือนก่อน

      Does shotokan work well

  • @chrislee7538
    @chrislee7538 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Got to say, I just found your channel and you are reviving my love for martial arts.

  • @jaza457x8
    @jaza457x8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video, bro. Thank you so much for sharing 👌🔥🔥🔥

  • @igorcarvalho2557
    @igorcarvalho2557 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I train Shotokan Karate, and I love it. But I absolutely understand the need for us karateka to look deep beyond the surface, seeking more practicality in our training. In some of the Shotokan Dojos I knew, the focus is competition kumite and competition kata, with little to no attention to bunkai and more self defense oriented kumite. But I guess we have to take the best of what is available to us, and embark ourselves in a journey to deepen our Karate.
    On the other hand, I think I understand Sensei Funakoshi's vision. Sure, the modernization of Karate brought some problems, but if it weren't for him taking it to mainland Japan (from whence it would later spread worldwide), maybe we wouldn't even know Karate existed. Some would argue modern Karate lacks practicality (in kumite) and bu kai (in kata), but the spiritual take of the art (DO) is unparalleled. Traditional Karate, on the other hand, had an efficient and practical outlook, but some may find it lacking of meaning and purpose. Some people view Motobu Choki as little more than a bully and street brawler, as others view him as one of the greatest fighters in the world. Funakoshi is hated by many as "the guy who sold out" for politics, while others (myself included) are thankful for him bringing Karate to Japan, even if he had to compromise some things to achieve his goal.
    What I'm trying to say is: regardless of the Style we practice, we must learn from all these great Sensei, for each of them had precious gems to share with us. And, as a great Sensei once said: "what brings us together will always be more important than what sets us apart!" 😉🙏🏻🥋

    • @brendantheodore6919
      @brendantheodore6919 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Beautifully expressed. 😊👍👊💥

    • @igorcarvalho2557
      @igorcarvalho2557 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brendantheodore6919 thank you my friend!

    • @DoomGuy-kf8fv
      @DoomGuy-kf8fv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Absolutely, I have found that goju ryu tends to help my shotokan kumite. Many shotokan practitioners now do not like to get hit, by forcing myself to get comfortable with it I do not have that issue. I think incorporating as many karate styles as possible into your training is the best way to improve overall.

    • @Devo13
      @Devo13 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Koei-Kan base system since I was a kid.

    • @dontneedtoknow5836
      @dontneedtoknow5836 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      1 year late.
      Tool had it right on the first stage. The stage that we learn from the cadence if shadow or secrecy of night, we do "Listen to our muscle memory contemplate what I've been clinging too".
      Kata is not meant to be performed in a fight. It is q string of 1 and 2 hit maybe 3 hit combos strung together in instinct in the exact moment they are needed. Again we reach stage 2 of meditation. "I'm looking at you through the glass","I'm on the outside I'm looking in","you don't know my mind, you don't know my kind". Our experiences sound crazy to those that don't experience them and pointless to those that do no?
      However to reach empty mind vs quieting of the mind from kata, or separation of the mind through combat you must seek out the third. I have only found it in tai Kwon do, and this isn't one learned in the same way. It is one that can be induced by a master. I don't know how to or will even pretend to understand it. But seek out empty mind with tkd. It is the master that teaches it. It has to be gifted I guess?

  • @nelsonmcatee3721
    @nelsonmcatee3721 3 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    Mas Oyama also had the same impression of Funakoshi, or rather, his priorities. Oyama's karate emphasized physical conditioning and free style kumite more, and deemphasized kata.

    • @kenmurray8476
      @kenmurray8476 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So, instead of producing outstanding people, these "practical" styles taught the Japanese to be the most cruel and untrustworthy warriors going into WWII. Great teaching.

    • @nelsonmcatee3721
      @nelsonmcatee3721 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@kenmurray8476 karate had nothing to do with the cruelty of Japanese soldiers during WWII. I have no idea how you got that impression 🤔🤷‍♂️. My statement was intended to contrast Funakoshi's martial arts philosophy with Mas Oyoma's. Both senseis were exemplary human beings.

    • @yuriboyka6131
      @yuriboyka6131 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kenmurray8476 you must have half a brain there sir.

    • @coloradolivingoffgrid6106
      @coloradolivingoffgrid6106 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you study? If so, what style?

    • @mitchjames9350
      @mitchjames9350 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@kenmurray8476 where did you get that from?

  • @gyulamiklosi8810
    @gyulamiklosi8810 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the great presentation Jesse! Hope there are still followers of Motobu's practical style.

  • @bunjiphunter676
    @bunjiphunter676 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    These little snippets of all different types of history is what makes you tube great. Well done young man👍

  • @andrewvecchio1577
    @andrewvecchio1577 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Loved this and enjoyed learning what went down between Motobu and Funakoshi! Thank you Jesse San for creating this :D

  • @luvlife2786
    @luvlife2786 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm amazed at how much info you have on karate. I feel like I'm in karate class101. It's fun to watch your videos and I look forward to them.Keep up the good work.

  • @Nimno74
    @Nimno74 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'd love to see a followup video on this style. Perhaps a visit to a dojo that teaches it, or an interview with someone who has learned it. Anything.
    It sounds like it deserves all the attention and respect it can get.

  • @viniciuscr5178
    @viniciuscr5178 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice video with great informations. Thank you, Master Jesse.

  • @aidanmurray8283
    @aidanmurray8283 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What an incredibly well put together video! I’d love more of these types of videos talking about these masters and their journeys

  • @wadoryujujutsukempo6289
    @wadoryujujutsukempo6289 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    i did hear another story about a second meeting that took place after funakoshi was beaten, motobu was with his student, and the student challenged funakoshi to a fight, but ohtsuka (funakoshi's student who was with him at the time), stepped in and threw motobu's student and pinned him (ohtsuka being a menkyo in jujutsu). Motobu was said to like ohtsuka because of his skill, but it is quite a well known wado story.

  • @VitorCastelo
    @VitorCastelo ปีที่แล้ว

    A year after the post, but thank you Jesse for this piece of knowledge. Love your videos man, and hope you keep doing the good work. Wishing you the best. 🙏

  • @rinzler9171
    @rinzler9171 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seriously though I love your videos.
    Great knowledge and content. Worth a deep dive, as I am rusty with my pre-modrrn era karate history

  • @fourscorpio
    @fourscorpio 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    This is one of the best descriptions of Motobu that I've seen, Jesse-san! He definitely should have gotten more credit for his contributions -- I really didn't start learning about him in depth until the early 2000s, coincidentally with the rise of MMA. I think the movement towards practical karate has helped get his name out there more. I loved the part about "crossing hands" -- I believe that is the English translation for "kumite", if I'm not mistaken!

  • @nammeetathirunavukarasu8802
    @nammeetathirunavukarasu8802 3 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Probably irrelevant, but the editing is great on this one!

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Thank you! Makes me happy to hear 👍

    • @hirorop5367
      @hirorop5367 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      His editing is amazing!

    • @jc-kj8yc
      @jc-kj8yc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's never irrelevant 😁

    • @locoyogui
      @locoyogui 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That kind of thing is never irrelevant, and even less in something graphic like the exhibition of martial arts; If you take into account that martial arts manuals have always been accompanied by diagrams and representations of techniques, you can see their importance.

  • @GoodandBasic
    @GoodandBasic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    These stories are so good! Thank you for putting karate in context!

  • @OnlineRadioSchool
    @OnlineRadioSchool 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video matey!

  • @mikesteele9431
    @mikesteele9431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    From what I recall about the time with his son, he emphasized that here is no tuite in Motobu style. The royal family did have system of grappling though that preceded judo.

  • @prasadshanbhag1812
    @prasadshanbhag1812 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    When ever I see the photo of sensi motobu choki , sitting on the chair , looking straight away,I get goose bumps 🔥🔥🔥nice video sensi

    • @MrBendylaw
      @MrBendylaw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Look for images of Taika Oyata on Google, there's an old one that does the same to me. You'll know it when you see it. But the créme-de-la-créme is an old photo of Seikichi Uehara in a pose from Naihanchi that shows how shredded those guys were 100 years ago.

  • @skiptrace1888
    @skiptrace1888 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid!. Thanx for your research and hard work in putting this together! I liked and subscribed! 😄😄😄

  • @divnaindija24
    @divnaindija24 ปีที่แล้ว

    Informative. Enjoyable. Fine storytelling. Great editing. 👏Awesome work, Jesse! 👍As always! 😉 Greetings and respect! 🙏

  • @SIMONSK9CLUB
    @SIMONSK9CLUB 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    The cross hand stance reminds of enter the dragon

    • @DMF716
      @DMF716 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      In Isshinryu Karate, that is how I was taught back in the 70's....I used to use that hand position as my launching point, in class fighting.
      Back then, it was only a groin cup and mouth guard. And war trophies ( bruises , broken fingers and toes was the normal)
      MOTABU WAS ONE OF Tatsuo Shimabuku's teachers, as was Chojun Miagi

    • @peposo7
      @peposo7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "Crossing the bridge" refers to chinese martial arts

  • @thorstenfricke6757
    @thorstenfricke6757 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    It is hard to hear this story as a Shotokan Karateka. But we must face the trues. Thanks for bringing this in the light.

    • @hirorop5367
      @hirorop5367 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agree with your comment so very much 🙏❤️

    • @gbormann71
      @gbormann71 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @number six It's still fun, though.

    • @MFPRego
      @MFPRego 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Im a shotokan karateca as well! But the truth is that shotokan is incomplete, like most styles of karate. Stil, its fun to learn and practice ;)

    • @yessir2514
      @yessir2514 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Tamales21 I wanna hear it too

  • @michaelneal7377
    @michaelneal7377 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for uploading this video 😊

  • @nemonemo6285
    @nemonemo6285 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was a well put together video!! Thank you.

  • @djl6575
    @djl6575 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Regardless of Motobu's or other peoples opinions Shotokan is as effective as any other style what truly makes the difference is the individual applying the technique's and how much he or she believes in what they have been taught. Thanks for interesting story Jesse

  • @marcodegiovanni3696
    @marcodegiovanni3696 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I really think old traditional martial arts master would appreciate MMA more than their own style as practice today... This story (wich I didn't know and I am always impressed about your martial culture) just confirm my earlier though

  • @SherlockDaHolmie
    @SherlockDaHolmie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you so much for this video Jesse. It helped influence my choice of Karate Dojo near me. They are heavily influenced by Motobu's philosophy and style.

  • @timblaylark5605
    @timblaylark5605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sensei Jesse thank you for this, it inspires me. As the my city has become more violent I've switched gears and become more self protection focused. This puts the kata second, now I have clear ideas and can avoid pitfalls.

  • @nikhilkopparapu2659
    @nikhilkopparapu2659 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Fun fact: General Choi Hong Hi (founder of Taekwon Do) studied shotokan karate under Gichin Funakoshi.
    Living ur content btw

    • @diablorojo3887
      @diablorojo3887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      and he tried convince Oyama to help hin create the TKW

  • @donalmacthomais7584
    @donalmacthomais7584 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Jesse, this was a great story to hear. Always a learning experience every time I watch your videos.

  • @briangrimes4503
    @briangrimes4503 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What wonderful information you bring to light!! Thank you so much!

  • @fumeokid
    @fumeokid 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Thanks for the info! Loved the Segal videos too!

  • @sultanali7148
    @sultanali7148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video sensei.
    This video teaches us that every karate style is incomplete in some aspects a person can learn real karate only when he desires to learn it without thinking about styles. I learn shotokan karate but still I try to learn from different styles.

  • @jimducroiset1628
    @jimducroiset1628 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you so much for this. I have been trying to shift some of my teaching to practical fight technique first and then see where and how kata fits in...its a very slow process and its easy to come off as disrespectful...which I try not too. This type of material really goes a long way to letting others see where and how all of these things can live in harmony with each other! I have made it a practice to show and recommend your videos so my students and instructors can learn more and possibly even question assumptions...Hmmm...

  • @cefimssoas9830
    @cefimssoas9830 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally a channel worth watching , thank you Jesse

  • @anthonyward8133
    @anthonyward8133 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was your best vlog....by far. Thank you 😊

  • @juancarlos3350459
    @juancarlos3350459 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Great,
    I wanted you to explain this part of the Mobuto choki story.
    Thank you

  • @triau7166
    @triau7166 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thank you, Jesse Sensei, awesome story !!

  • @yamaniyama5940
    @yamaniyama5940 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for sharing Jesse!

  • @obzy6685
    @obzy6685 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love these karate docos
    Your the best at this jessie
    Keep ‘‘em coming

  • @rolandgdean
    @rolandgdean 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I love your history lessons...a lot. Great to see that even the oldest original masters were mixed martial artists. Traveling around and adding other styles and techniques to their own martial arts.

    • @trestres236
      @trestres236 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Debunks the whole "Bruce lee is the founder of mma"

    • @mikenuzzo3323
      @mikenuzzo3323 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well jiu-jitsu was Japanese which Judo comes from Sports jiu jitsu. And when the Europeans the Dutch 12 tile and started knocking out the Muay Thai fighters so they got a little better with the guard. That separates Burmese boxing from Thai Muay Thai. I imagine at this point the Burmese do Muay Thai being Muay Thai boxing protecting their jaw from boxers

  • @donaldduke2233
    @donaldduke2233 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for another great video. I always learn a lot from watching them. Amazon has Motobu's books, however they are still very expensive.

  • @graymcgoldrick8388
    @graymcgoldrick8388 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your sharing and insights much appreciated 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

  • @user-mj5ws9qs1e
    @user-mj5ws9qs1e 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jesse great educational video man great work !!!!

  • @sleepy_Dragon
    @sleepy_Dragon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +175

    Being a good fighter doesn't make someone a good teacher or coach.

    • @blockmasterscott
      @blockmasterscott 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Very true. I’ve also seen poor fighters that are very good at teaching fighting.

    • @jomess7879
      @jomess7879 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@blockmasterscott I'm like that. I get my butt kicked quite often, but i able to teach people how to kick butts.

    • @pauljohnson6019
      @pauljohnson6019 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Who's say's they're mutually exclusive? But in Miaygi's case, yep- I would say he was a great teacher, and an invincible martial artist- literally!

    • @diablorojo3887
      @diablorojo3887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      to be honest all the great martial arts teachers i know are the best fighters also

    • @pauljohnson6019
      @pauljohnson6019 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@diablorojo3887 Yes, they normally have to had competed at a high level, nationally or internationally, to be able to teach at a high level.

  • @abennett2783
    @abennett2783 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    In the 70’s, I studied under Dirk Mosig for a short time, Shuri Ryu, USKA, and Motobu was mentioned in the history of that organization. Cool to see this.

  • @rikunevalainen8154
    @rikunevalainen8154 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Again..pure gold from you, Jesse !

  • @thinkordie7292
    @thinkordie7292 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like Motobu Choki's philosophy- practicality and functionality over all. Great work. Salute Enkamp San

  • @ALHat22
    @ALHat22 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Also, a lot of people don’t understand that the philosophy of Japan as a society was changing. Japan wanted to move away from their “warlike nature” and this greatly impacted Japanese martial arts. It would have made this man a bit of an outcast because of his focus on using skills in “fighting” in Karate. Same is true for Judo and Jujitsu in Japan, the ideas are still there but some aspects were surely lost during Japan’s philosophical and social politic shifts.

  • @sakismandratzis6353
    @sakismandratzis6353 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've been really waiting for a long time for this video☺️ (you once gave a teaser in an other video)

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You and many others! 🤪🙏

  • @alfredog.2889
    @alfredog.2889 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sensei Enkamp, ​​thank you for your videos, they are really educational!

  • @darque1860
    @darque1860 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn. I love the karate nerd. Thank u jesse!! Awsome content brother!!

  • @devildog6776
    @devildog6776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love your lessons, thank you for sharing this knowledge with us, I regret that while a Marine, I spend a year in Okinawa, and I didn't take advantage of it.

  • @davidhanna8029
    @davidhanna8029 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sensei, as someone who reveres Gichin Funakoshi, I had to watch this confronting but educative video twice before I realised you were delivering Motobu's warped perspective on Funakoshi's teaching. As you rightly say, Funakoshi was focused on Karate as a means of character development not street fighting. I recall very clearly how a previously troubled teenager told me that one of Funakoshi's illustrative stories from "Karate-Do: My Way of Life" had helped him resolve a problem without fighting. By contrast, Motobu may have believed he had 'nothing left to prove', but his attitude and behaviour suggest that he had plenty more to learn.

    • @stuart5811
      @stuart5811 ปีที่แล้ว

      What was the original purpose of karate? It was a killing art not a way to enlightenment.

  • @speedy608gmail
    @speedy608gmail 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, I spent Two years o my Okinawa and loved it along with the people. This is great to view and share with my family. Take care and be well

  • @rb9998
    @rb9998 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for bringing these histories forward.

  • @IronMartialArts
    @IronMartialArts 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Motobu was a straight up savage.

  • @chrisskywalker6079
    @chrisskywalker6079 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Well at the end, is not how good you are man, but how much people can get from you.

  • @RykerFreegeld
    @RykerFreegeld 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing story. Thanks!

  • @resipsaloquitur13
    @resipsaloquitur13 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a great video. Way to show great respect to the forefathers of the art. And also inspire another generation. Good job man!

  • @menc73
    @menc73 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Also known as "Motobu no saru", Motobu the monkey, because of his grip straight and agility. But in regards to this story being true I just don't know, Motobu and Funakoshi apear in photo together, so it seems they wore polite to one another at least.

  • @YoukaiSlayer12
    @YoukaiSlayer12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for including the social hierarchy & personality aspects of the two. As Gichin never liked sparring/or kumite, like some of the other Okinawan teachers, his son however Gigo was the opposite.

  • @paulwhite2787
    @paulwhite2787 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Sensei for your generosity in this terrific content!

  • @safreacts
    @safreacts 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was super interesting~ thanks for making this video Jesse! Greetings from Australia 🇦🇺

    • @KARATEbyJesse
      @KARATEbyJesse  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey, thanks! 😄

  • @ezebavaro
    @ezebavaro 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Super interesante! Me quedé con ganas de conocer más acerca del estilo de Choki Motobu.

  • @washingtonpiccardo4531
    @washingtonpiccardo4531 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Desde Uruguay ,Sud América, felicitaciones por su dedicación a la difusión del karate do y las artes marciales. Abrazo gde !!!! Exelente

  • @davidgarciacooke337
    @davidgarciacooke337 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I absolutely love your historical videos on karate.