Just a tip, you should never hammer out a bare bolt end with a sledge like that, that’s how you can damage threads. Putting the nut back on a turn or two will help prevent that and give the hammer a larger surface to impact and drive bolt out. 🤙🏼
I don't think an air shock is a good match for this bike. There's too much unsprung weight on the rear swingarm and wheel to deal with and air shock will fade and overheat. Even a MTB coil shock is on the light duty side.
Another great video guys. Having done this mod 6 months. ago I always cringe when I think about all the rusty link bearings out there. Couple thoughts; The stock spring will fit fine for lighter riders. I used the 550lb from Luna and it's perfect for my 180lbs. and aggressive riding. I run a 21/16 wheelset with the 1 1/2" rise link and get a 24 degree rake that I like for tight twisty races. On more open high speed courses like GP's I use the 3/4" rise link and get 28 degrees for more stability. I suspect that with your 21/18 wheelset the high rise link has you around 19 degrees rake which is typical for a trials bike. Might want to order the 3/4" rise as well. Once you add a high rise link your mud flap is too short to fit. I cut off the rear fender deal leaving 1 1/2" as a tab which I reshaped as a new mud flap mount with a heat gun and pliers, drilled and mounted. Works great and I still have the lower part of the fender to keep mud off the rear of the motor. Hope this helps. I've done a dozen mods no one else is doing and just wanted to share a few. Love you guys!
@@thefirm13 I liked the 19/16 and rode it for a month while we were waiting for the 21" Excel Takasago rim to come in (they were unavailable for awhile). Railed berms much better than stock but the 21" just rolls over obstacles so much easier that I don't mind the extra weight up front.
@@thefirm13 I should mention that while the Surron can turn the 16" much easier, since I went with burly rims and tires, it slows the bike down due to the extra weight. I added the Emoto Bros controller kit to get back the stock speed and then some. BONUS: With the 16" rim the stock 48t sprocket delivers 54t performance on the stock 19" rim and Luna has 48t sprockets on sale for $5 so I grabbed a spare for next season!
Attach the outer triangle bolt last, folks - will make your life easier. That way you can more easily access the lower shock mount and run the bolt in the OEM orientation (left to right).
DNM suspension is just mediocre....if you do soft trail running its ok ...as soon as you ride the bike like you would ride a MTB they are garbage. Very nice video.
Great video just wanted to see is you guys have any play in the riser link I bought two of them for my bikes in the past and there was to much play in the linkage after they were installed so I just went back to the stock links
The spring recommendation does not make sense. If your shock has 3.5" of travel then you need that much or more in the spring. When adding any amount of preload it will remove travel from the spring. I went with the 450 lb/in X 3.65 Travel. It has a TLG of 8.1 and required just a bit of compression. I suspect you will not get full travel from your shock before the spring bottoms out on its self. On the fox site the fit chart data contradicts the spring chart data.
What are the specs or part number for the Rear Suspension Bushings? Your description says M8x23.88. Do you mean Aluminum 803-03-169, 8mmx23.88? Also, if I'm 175lbs could I go heavier on the spring? e.g. 039-09-005
I got the same riser link you got but instead of using the stock 10.5x3.5 fast Ace shock I got a Dvo jade 9.5 x3.0 shock with everything bolted the height is same as the stock set up
I will know soon im buying a fox 40 the kke forks are death. I heard they dont even have oil in them just grease. If you put oil and clean they will begood. Ill see whats the weight difference onfox 40 and kke
What are the specs you gave them? I think maybe I will go this route since there is nothing in stock at the moment. Has it been holding up well? What spring rate are you using?
I'm also using a 21-inch wheel and I'm trying to install DHx2, so I don't mind using a genuine link, right? As you told me, bushing is 8 millimeters 23 by 88. I bought it on the site of bike24 and there is no ring that you wear at the end of the picture. What should I do?
I don’t know what you mean by genuine link. Also, I would recommend buying a bushing kit that contains all the necessary parts. If you fail to do so the shock could move off center and side load the internals of the shock which could cause damage. If you ordered off the site we linked, and they did not provide all the correct parts, I would contact customer service so they can send you another one.
I had to use a 3.15 x 500 sls spring for mine 205 lbs never bottoms even on jumps...I would think 450 would be better for you. Fox sells the 3.5x500 and it doesn't fit anything lol. I called fox they said they didn't have a clue. LOL The air shock isn't the best choice for the surron..made for much lighter bikes..Which link did you use the 3/4 or 1 1/2? I have the 3/4 with my 26 mtb tire/wheel...Nice video....
Just a tip, you should never hammer out a bare bolt end with a sledge like that, that’s how you can damage threads. Putting the nut back on a turn or two will help prevent that and give the hammer a larger surface to impact and drive bolt out. 🤙🏼
Sick! Is the bushing set up for the FLOAT X2 the 8mmx23.88 pn803-03-169?
Is the Fox spring that you used compatible with the DNM shock? Great video!
Stock DNM is slightly larger diameter, so fox spring on dnm might a tight squeeze
I don't think an air shock is a good match for this bike. There's too much unsprung weight on the rear swingarm and wheel to deal with and air shock will fade and overheat. Even a MTB coil shock is on the light duty side.
Coil is certainly the more ideal option. We had to test both though of course.
Another great video guys. Having done this mod 6 months. ago I always cringe when I think about all the rusty link bearings out there. Couple thoughts;
The stock spring will fit fine for lighter riders. I used the 550lb from Luna and it's perfect for my 180lbs. and aggressive riding.
I run a 21/16 wheelset with the 1 1/2" rise link and get a 24 degree rake that I like for tight twisty races. On more open high speed courses like GP's I use the 3/4" rise link and get 28 degrees for more stability. I suspect that with your 21/18 wheelset the high rise link has you around 19 degrees rake which is typical for a trials bike. Might want to order the 3/4" rise as well.
Once you add a high rise link your mud flap is too short to fit. I cut off the rear fender deal leaving 1 1/2" as a tab which I reshaped as a new mud flap mount with a heat gun and pliers, drilled and mounted. Works great and I still have the lower part of the fender to keep mud off the rear of the motor.
Hope this helps. I've done a dozen mods no one else is doing and just wanted to share a few. Love you guys!
I was going to go to a 19/16” set. How do you like the 21/16 over say a 19/16?
@@thefirm13 I liked the 19/16 and rode it for a month while we were waiting for the 21" Excel Takasago rim to come in (they were unavailable for awhile). Railed berms much better than stock but the 21" just rolls over obstacles so much easier that I don't mind the extra weight up front.
@@thefirm13 I should mention that while the Surron can turn the 16" much easier, since I went with burly rims and tires, it slows the bike down due to the extra weight. I added the Emoto Bros controller kit to get back the stock speed and then some. BONUS: With the 16" rim the stock 48t sprocket delivers 54t performance on the stock 19" rim and Luna has 48t sprockets on sale for $5 so I grabbed a spare for next season!
Great video! I wonder if the 2021 DHX2 and Float X2 will be tough enough to use on the Sur Ron, I once broke a Fox RC4 and DVO Jade on my Sur Ron
Attach the outer triangle bolt last, folks - will make your life easier. That way you can more easily access the lower shock mount and run the bolt in the OEM orientation (left to right).
Nice video. Just got a fox float. Missed out on a dhx2 by 2 hours
One thing why does no one wash there SurRon before working on it 🤣
I didn’t have time after work, filming a video adds a lot of time and I was gonna ride after.
Yer I know all about filming and working on something. Doubles the time. Sorry didn’t mean to get on your nerves mate
Can you tell me which size bushing kit is required to install the float rear on the SurRon? There’s about 12 choices…. :0. Thanks.
DNM suspension is just mediocre....if you do soft trail running its ok ...as soon as you ride the bike like you would ride a MTB they are garbage. Very nice video.
Where is the problem? High speed damping, friction, wrong tune?
Great video just wanted to see is you guys have any play in the riser link I bought two of them for my bikes in the past and there was to much play in the linkage after they were installed so I just went back to the stock links
If there was any play, we haven't noticed it.
How long until more BAC 4000s are available?
Week or two, allegedly.
The spring recommendation does not make sense. If your shock has 3.5" of travel then you need that much or more in the spring. When adding any amount of preload it will remove travel from the spring. I went with the 450 lb/in X 3.65 Travel. It has a TLG of 8.1 and required just a bit of compression. I suspect you will not get full travel from your shock before the spring bottoms out on its self. On the fox site the fit chart data contradicts the spring chart data.
Yea we agree that it makes no sense. But that email was directly from a tech. Rep. At Fox...
You should have greased the linkage bearings also not just the sleeves.
Clean the bike before you work on it boys. Driving me nuts 🙂
Keep the great Sur Ron content coming! Thanks!
Great video guys, I always learn alot with you're content. I just bought that same link but haven't installed yet. This will help alot.
Thx !
Do you need to order one or two bushings. Top and bottom or just the top? Thanks
Top and bottom 🤘🏽
Can you fit a 9.5x3 shock?
You can but not without messing up the geometry and unnecessarily stressing the linkages.
Thank you very much for the informative video.
What ist your setting for the dhx2?
Very Good video - Thanks
I mount camera under bike so shows tire contact with ground - can See and adjust shocks better and faster
What are the specs or part number for the Rear Suspension Bushings? Your description says M8x23.88. Do you mean Aluminum 803-03-169, 8mmx23.88? Also, if I'm 175lbs could I go heavier on the spring? e.g. 039-09-005
Yes it’s the 8mmx23.88mm. Material doesn’t really matter so that’s up to you. At 175 the 500Lb spring should be just fine🤘🏽
I got the same riser link you got but instead of using the stock 10.5x3.5 fast Ace shock I got a Dvo jade 9.5 x3.0 shock with everything bolted the height is same as the stock set up
Seems like that might reduce your travel
Hey guys do know how much weight you drop when you swap the KKE for the Fox 40 front shock?
I will know soon im buying a fox 40 the kke forks are death. I heard they dont even have oil in them just grease. If you put oil and clean they will begood. Ill see whats the weight difference onfox 40 and kke
I have a woodie from Avalanche and its awesome! Custom made for the sur ron and your weight riding style. Best rear there is...
What are the specs you gave them? I think maybe I will go this route since there is nothing in stock at the moment. Has it been holding up well? What spring rate are you using?
@@00alvarito00 Call them and they will set you up correctly. Mines been great..
@@00alvarito00 Supposedly this option will blow away the fox dhx2.
What size did your friend get for the fox float?
I couldn’t find the size of the bushings that you said “m8x33.8”
Link to part list in description. And I think thought I said m8 x 23.88
This is the funniest thing I’ve ever watched
I'm also using a 21-inch wheel and I'm trying to install DHx2, so I don't mind using a genuine link, right?
As you told me, bushing is 8 millimeters 23 by 88.
I bought it on the site of bike24 and there is no ring that you wear at the end of the picture. What should I do?
I don’t know what you mean by genuine link. Also, I would recommend buying a bushing kit that contains all the necessary parts. If you fail to do so the shock could move off center and side load the internals of the shock which could cause damage. If you ordered off the site we linked, and they did not provide all the correct parts, I would contact customer service so they can send you another one.
can you tell how much more ground clearance you get when you install the riser linkage?
Step one. Wash your bike bro 😎
Some good info here. But for heavens sake bro, clean your bike before you work on it :D
I was in a rush to get the filming done after work, but yes I dropped a lot of dirt on the ground😂😂
Found lift linkages in 0.75”, 1.38” & 1.5”. Anyone know which size is best for a 19”/16” combo?
.75 flattens it out
Unrelated i know but do you run a motor temp sensor with the 12kw? Im worried about burning up the motor
Yes. You can monitor in the display and the controller thermal throttles and shuts off if it gets too hot
how did riley like the float?
Love it! If you’re over 180lbs ish then you need something beefier I’d say.
@@emotobros even with the volume spacers?
I run 3/4 at 250ish PSI and am 160Lbs. With a 300psi limit I’d imagine 180Lb would get you there.
I had to use a 3.15 x 500 sls spring for mine 205 lbs never bottoms even on jumps...I would think 450 would be better for you. Fox sells the 3.5x500 and it doesn't fit anything lol. I called fox they said they didn't have a clue. LOL The air shock isn't the best choice for the surron..made for much lighter bikes..Which link did you use the 3/4 or 1 1/2? I have the 3/4 with my 26 mtb tire/wheel...Nice video....
any follow up on the fox dhx2?
so we need 2 Rear Shock Mounting Reducer Kit?
Yes
Did you loosen your wheel and chain first?
We didn’t.
👍🔥✌️🇷🇺
Is that the new battery in the end? Carbon fiber or vinyl?
a guy on instagram makes carbon surron parts.. njcustom I think
@@jerseyrotaries yep! I have some stuff from him
great video. thank you!