Hard not to assume who it is. After he leaves you talk to the merchant dude and he says "sculptor left while babbling on about flames" kinda a dead giveaway.
@Vincent Tamehh kinda. Bloodthirsty samurai who had to have his arm lopped off to curb his bloodlust only to turn into a LITERAL demon. I find Genichiro's story more emotional because everything he did was for the preservation of the Ashina. No matter how evil, it was for his own righteous cause.
If you meet certain conditions, Sekiro says "Farewell Sculptor" upon performing the death blow. Also the dialogue with the old woman changes. Sekiro articulates that he knows who the demon hatred was before and the old woman replies different lines to this.
You need to spy emma and the sculptor when she comes to hear him carve budha statues, they mention the subject then go back and rest then go talk to him about that.
Damn I just found where the demon of hatred was and felt like he was an optional boss, but after watching this now I gotta go back to help my buddy out.
Thats literally what i did on my 2nd playthrough. Even tho i beat hom the first time, i did it again and went through that BULLCRAP FOR 2 HOURS to save him 😂
My literal exact experience. Found the optional boss, got two shotted in about 20 seconds and was like pfft okay I'm good and worked on Isshin for a couple of hours. But then I watched a video of the fight online, read some comments and made the connection between the characters and saw the end of the fight where the sculptor says "Wolf... thank you" as he's dying and was like fuck dude. I'd grown to genuinely like this character and was glad when I found a new "tea" to give him. Now here he sits in dumb animal pain and, as he literally says, I'm the only one who can kill him. Took me 1.5 solid days but it felt fucking amazing when it happened.
He became a Demon not because he was seeking the destruction of Ashina. He was a old friend of Ishin (the old sword saint). He wanted to help Ashina Ishin to protect this country from the invation of Interior Ministry. That's why he took his last breath to protect the Ashina castle front door. But he could't control the hatred flame within, and became the Demon. If you listened their conversation from outside the temple, when you talk to him again he will say "You will do it when the time comes" meaning "You will be the one to stop me if I get lost in hatred"
And Sekiro knew that he Demon was sculptor.(He answered "Yes" at 9:22 in my game) I don't know if it's because the different route and missing dialogues(many related hidden dialogues) cause the different answers or it's just a mistake in the translation (the conversation in Japanese).
Something I'd like to add: The sculptor mentioned he won't die from dragonrot, and it's possible he was actually immortal at that point, as the remnant of the Hatred Demon says "he was bound stubbornly to this world"
Not only does his transformation look like a cleric beast, but another callback to bloodborne is the use of the malcontents ring in this boss fight. Just like Gascoigne's music box it causes him to remember his past distracting him momentarily. Expect where as Gascoigne appears to have a migraine, the sculptor sobs at the memories with his friend.
@@itsSmiv malcontent ring used to belong to his old friend when they were still young they used to train in ashina depths as shinobi and his friend sometimes would whistle the ring after they finished training. The sculptor will tell you about this story if you give him monkey booze.
I think it would be important to add that the reason for the sculptor's rage and hatred is also caused by the death of his partner/wife, who was also a shinobi but was eaten by the guardian ape, this is hinted by the prosthetic whistle tool you picked up after killing the guardian ape and when you bring that to the sculptor, he recognizes the finger as it is something his partner/wife used to use back when they were both shinobi.
@@zero8xkiraEmma would not be capable of killing the demon of hatred. I think only Sekiro and Isshin would be capable of such feat. Genichiro is pretty lame once you understand his moves.
@@JackMeoff46 I was telling more lore learned in game. Emma is weak as hell. Probably what would have happened was the sculptor would let Emma kill him right before he changed
If you eavesdrop on the sculptor while he talks to emma you actually get another line of dialogue from sekiro when you battle the demon At the start of the fight Wolf: Sculptor... At phase 2 Wolf: Is this the flames of hatred? At the end Sculptor/Demon of hatred: finish me please.. Last deathblow Wolf: Fare well sculptor Sculptor/Demon of hatred: Wolf.. thank.. you.. Also it changes granny’s dialogue when you meet her after the fight Edit: damn someone already said it
Its surprising how much foreshadowing there was to the Sculptor falling to Shura. The old lady, Emma's comment about fighting a demon if one were to show up, even the Sculptor himself with the skill texts and repeated remarks about Karmic debt and how his sculptures always turn out with hatred/bloodlust.
I cheesed him, felt good, and when he died he said "thank you" I was like "WTF... why" and then saw this video Guess in NG+ I'm gonna fight my bro like a man even if it mean a painful 94516 tries
Took me a while to kill this boss(demon of hatred) and I was doing trial and error without leaving the stage area where the boss is and when I finally killed it, the old lady told me if I knew him and wolf said he doesn't know and I as a player, I don't know either since I was so hooked up on how to kill this boss. I was so satisfied after I kill the boss after many hours of tries but that satisfaction led up to sadness once I went to give my prosthetic tools some upgrades the the sculptor wasn't there anymore and it hits me. I've never felt like this in a video game before where my feelings just turning on me from happiness to feeling sorry that I enjoyed killing him. I feel so bad. That what makes this game a master piece. Sorry for the long comment. This game is just that amazing for me.
@@Starkid527 The fragrance of the sakura (everblossom) tree is the key to the divine realm, and the tree that the dragon sprouts from in the divine realm is probably the everblossom that withers and passes into the realm. The missing arm would be the branch that was taken from it by Owl before the tree withered
If you give him monkey booze he will talk about how the sculptor and his friend went to the place where is the guardian ape to fight and started moving like apes, he talked about the whistle, i even got a lion king vibe from it. Sad.
@@anactualguy8257 if you follow the questline to face owl for the 2nd time it should work. its after you ease drop on issin and emma leaves and sits next to the sculpture. go around the back of the house they are in and look through the hole in the wall and you can ease drop. also you will get more dialog when you are fighting the demon of hatred when you start taking off lifebars and when he dies
It's funny that the minute I saw the Demon I knew it was the Sculptor. The one arm, the fact that it looks kinda like an orangutan (the Sculptor's name when he was a ninja) and when you visit the Dilapidated Temple and see he's not there, if you speak to the merchant he'll tell you the Sculptor left speaking about "flames".
no offence to the content creator, but nobody can beat Vaati's storytelling ability and attention to detail. Not to mention his awesome cinematics. Vaati isn't exactly known for being quick hes known for telling the story most accurately imo.
@@weebaker That's because Vaati doesn't come up with his theories on his own. For the most part, he just collects other people's lore and conclusions (forum threads, other youtubers etc.) and adapts them into his own storytelling method.
@@Joltastik somewhat, but id argue that he likes to get the whole story to the greatest accuracy that the game provides, he doesn't theorize because he uses connections in the game that are practically set in stone, his videos are the more objective version of the story that can be proven through the facts the game gives us, so yes he doesn't theorize, he gives us the whole true story, and makes it very clear when something is speculation or theory.
Also tidbit, I think during the purification progression line, you can evesdrop on emma talking to the sculptor about his anger and how emma will stop him if it comes to that, and then resetting the area to get emma to leave will have him beg you to stop him because he couldn't bear to hurt emma This seems like very important info
The sculpture reminds me a little of Ghernam from Bloodborne (might’ve spelled it wrong) but just his role as a mentor and the fact you have to battle to him at some point .. and is basically you if you make certain decisions throughout the game
Ishin talks about stopping a Shura in his time, this is after when he was talking to Emma and we eve's drop on them later when emma leaves and we give him his own sake he talks bout this..later...when you choose Shura ending he says "I've put end to one of you before".
Good video but im disapointed you didnt mention that when the sculptor is no longer in the temple if you speak to fujioka the info broker he tell you that the sculptor is gone to the batlefield saying something about flame. Thats personally how I found out he was the demon of hatred on my second playthrough
If you do all of the eavsedrops and sake's for Emma, Ishin, and the Sculptor (Sekijo) then Sekiro will recognize him and say it outloud to the player, the old woman's dialogue changes as well.
Something I noticed after fighting him on another playthrough those fire projectiles he throws during the second phase seem to have Buddha statues within them
Ahhhh.. this makes me happy. I decided to look up Sekiro lore and guess who's covering it? Smoughtown.. I first heard about your content via Elden Ring. Now that I recently purchased Sekiro again, I'm about to dive headfirst into all of your content all over again.
One of the best bosses in the game. Doesn't challenge you as much as the Saint, but is way too much fun to learn. One of my favorite Fromsoft bosses and easily my favorite Sekiro boss
I see it the other way around, for me he is much more of a struggle than Saint, which i killed maybe in my 5th attempt (Demon had like 10 of them and still is alive, i got once to 2nd healthbar, then died...)
Demon had more bullshit moves that were hard to evade. Like the long range explosive fire whip to the ground. That jump timing must be PERFECT. That and the fireball throwing when you are running towards him makes me hate the fucking thing. Which is fitting.
@@GreedAndSelfishness Supposedly you can cheese him with the fire umbrella and the whistle finger, but I still find him much more punishing than Sword Saint.
@@anathema2526 use the fire umbrella and project force. It will block everything except for the running sweep. Use it when he jumps into the air and then use the project force skill put of it after the flames fade so you don't get knocked down. It will do loads of damage
I figured the sculptor was the demon nh the way said demon looks in the reflection of strength menu. they're very similar, and both the demon and the sculptor were both missing a left arm. but watching this video made me understand the lore way better
Wolf doesn't know the demon is the sculptor if you dont drink with people, do it enough and they talk, the sculptor says "you will be the one to kill me" and others, and with enough when you start the fight with the demon wolf talks to the demon calling him sculptor, and bidding him farewell as he kills him, and confirms that he knew who the demon was when talking to the old woman
For those who don’t know it is possible for Sekiro to identify the demon as the sculptor when the fight begins, to do this you must exhaust all dialogue with him and all eavesdrops and unlock all dialogue for him when you give him each type of sake. After this there is a special dialogue at the end when defeating the demon of hatred and the old woman’s dialogue changes as well since Sekiro knew it was sculptor all along
Brilliant. This is what I love about FromSoftware. For the absolute melts of us , we seek this stuff out and speculate for years like nerds. This is the shit I love as much as actually playing the games. I mean how awful is the Armoured Warriors death? Now I know the story I just don’t wanna do it. Same with the Demon but you gotta do what’s right. Great stuff man and I’ll sub and watch the rest. Let’s pray that they do a massive DLC if we are lucky or maybe some secrets over the next year will come out to add to the lore etc I have loved this game massively and I can’t see the GHOST game being as good as this to be honest. I knew what I was getting with Sekiro and to me they are making better games with every single release. What a great bloody developer for sticking to their guns and keeping it their own way. This will be another cult classic in gaming history. When you think about it they will leave a legacy like no other developer if they stay on this path. To be honest they can make a game about anything, any location with any story with this formula and it can work. A Sci Fi game that is with swords of some kind. Vikings , anything works. After this I’m just buzzing for whatever they do next. I’d love Bloodborne2 but at the same time I really hope they don’t cos it shows they are always thinking ahead and not milking it. For example look at Demon Souls, it really stands on its own to an extent and it has this cult status cos of that. Sekiro could easily have a sequel but again I hope they now move to another direction cos they are so great at it. I’d love maybe one that’s a warped version of Greek mythology vs a cyclops etc. It can go anywhere. I’m waffling now but wicked video
Dude that's not even it, it the finger whistle with the ring that stuns him, that give out who he is (in the game when you found the whistle it says he had a friend that uses that). Plus he is one armed, info broker mentioned he mumbled flames and head to this directions and that he call Sekiro, Wolf after he dies.
Their is more dialogue for the sculptor, emma, sekiro and the old lady if you ease drop on emma and the sculptor talking and then talk to the sculptor after resting and then when you fight him he and sekiro and the old lady all have more dialogue.
@@aitorjimenez2705 For sekiro he says, 'sculptor' 'so these are the flames of hatred' during the fight. After eavesdropping on emma and the sculptor about the flames and talking to him he asks you to put him down so she doesn't have to. From what I remember the old lady says he was most likely grateful for you putting him to his end.
Awesome video, I didn't know for sure who it was. An observation I had while listening is that: his fight (the Demon of Hatred) is arguably the single most Dark Souls-y fight in the game... and all he sees is fire, a most central theme in DS, with the age of fire. In a thematic way, he seems to serve as the connective tissue that ties the worlds of Sekiro and Dark Souls together. I mean, thinking of Artorias' busted arm - I know better than to put it past FromSoft to make creative decisions about boss fights based on what serves the in-universe logic and lore of the games.
If isshin really cut off the sculptors arm to save him then genichiro actually did the same exact thing but idk if wolf was about to get lost in his own bloodlust
Reminds me a lot of Princess Mononoke with Nago the boar becoming a demon after being consumed by hatred and cursing Ashitaka with a mark on his right arm that worsens when Ashitaka is exposed to all the hatred and bloodshed in the world.
I guess the sculpture is similar to isshin. Isshin slayed many to perfect his sword skills but for a cause. The sculpture wanted to perfect his killing to be the most efficient but eventually fell into the traps of shura, as he only fought for himself.
When I first reached the burning area with the fire scraches I was like "hell orangutan went mad". and was supprised when I saw he litteraly just transformed into a demon few seconds after.
This entire time, I thought she was just rambling on about the coming war, yet on my second playthrough, I immediately put together the fact that she was speaking of the Demon of Hatred and his coming alongside the war.
Hey, i suppose you talk for marchand in ruin temple, you have information of sculpteur and you fighting the demon, wolf realise this sculpteur. Or + promise effected with sculpteur. "Sculpteur " ,"what this the flame of hatred" and "goodbye sculpteur ".
It annoys me that Emma didn't join us for this fight...think when Wolf asked her why she learned her sword skill she said something along the line to kill the demon...
That’s right, she was taught by Isshin for the precise reason that she ‘wants to be able to fight a demon, if one comes’ however the sculptor tells us that he doesn’t want Emma to do it, that he wants it to be us (in a dialogue after eavesdropping on him and emma), so I think it’s right we spare Emma from that
There's a small bit missing in this. I don't know the trigger conditions but you can get to a point where Wolf *does* know the demon of hatred was the sculptor. And both of the final dialogues you mentioned change.
I received a piece of dialogue from Emma (the sculptor's friend) that explained why she learned to fight with a sword. She says "you never know when you'll face a demon". Could that be talking about the sculptor? Did she know he would turn and she would have to kill him one day but when the time came, she was busy taking care of Kuro and Isshin in the tower?
*spoiler* The demon this is referring to would be Sekiro as in the ending where he becomes shura he is also required to kill Emma. Obviously the character Emma doesn't know that but I think this is what the writer is hinting at.
@@j.b.aw.6968 No. Emma was specifically referring to the Sculptor. There are a couple of conversations she has with the Sculptor that you can eavesdrop on where she implies that she'll put the Sculptor out of his misery should the future he keeps seeing comes to pass. After one of them, if you talk to him, he asks you to be the one to kill him. This unlocks some dialogue for Wolf when he encounters the Demon of Hatred.
You were the chosen one!! It was said that u would bring glory to Ashina not destroy it. Bring balance to Ashina no destroy it. You were my brother sculpter, I loved u
The sculptors name is Sekijo. Dont forget that conversation with the masked isshin in ashina castle......sekijo is the the free shinobi outfit you get when you beat the game. We all know that. Thats THE SCULPTER.
Don't forget that if you give dragonspring sake to isshin he will tell you that fools would come out of nowhere asking for a drink, fools with illusion techniques (lady butterfly) and fools with half made prosthetic arm (orangutan) and the fool who is owl (master Shinobi owl) who despite his massive structure would fall after the first cup of sake.
Is there any other lore that can be found in Sekiro? I've seen a few videos on Sekiro lore and they all are about either Robert and his armor clad dad or the sculptor as the DOH.
You can give sake to Emma and Isshin and get some backstory for them. Other than that the rest seems to reside in quest and skill texts that the game gives you as you play anyway.
Sekiro actually can learn about demon being Sekijo, I.e. the sculpturor. Following is how: When you collected both the flower and the stone, Emma will appear in the temple. Eavesdrop their conversation, where Emma said she will (kill him) when it happens (he became Shura). Then in the evening, when Sekijo is alone, go to him a few times. There will be a few times when he simply praise Sekiro for his growth and such. Eventually he will beg Sekiro to promise to kill him (he will say "I want you to do it,...") so that Emma can be spared of such trauma. Then Sekiro will know that the demon is Sekijo when he see it, mumbling "sculpturor..." upon encounter and saying goodbye upon killing him. Know that if you want to go for Purification Route, you must get Sekijo to beg Sekiro before Emma go to Sekijo for advise, or else Emma will never leave, and Seikjo will never talk about this in her presence.
It's a little late but can someone tell me how exactly do people of Ashina travel? There are broken bridges everywhere and I'm pretty sure everyone needs supplies eventually. The sculptor couldn't have dragged us without an actual bridge to get us by. Also, no one seems to be bothered about the cold even in very normal clothes, surprises me kind of even though it might be that they are just used to the weather.
Shura ending: Emma: I have witnessed Shura once before. The very same stirs inside of you." Ishin says: "Shura, I never did think I'd have to kill your kind again" Also, there's also a hidden dialogue when you kill the Demon. Basically, if you do some talking with the sculptor, some eavesdropping, the dialogue when you kill him + the dialogue with the old lady near the demon fight change.
Sekiro recognizing the sculptor as the demon of hatred is unusually direct for From Software games. Maybe it's because we have a talking protagonist instead of a silent one.
If you speak with the old woman after defeating gyoubu, she'll say something like "war will never stop and where will the hatred go" is really something for me. kinda foreshadow this stuff early in the story.
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Hard not to assume who it is. After he leaves you talk to the merchant dude and he says "sculptor left while babbling on about flames" kinda a dead giveaway.
Yea I had no clue at first but when you talk to the merchant it’s pretty obvious
@Vincent Tamehh kinda. Bloodthirsty samurai who had to have his arm lopped off to curb his bloodlust only to turn into a LITERAL demon. I find Genichiro's story more emotional because everything he did was for the preservation of the Ashina. No matter how evil, it was for his own righteous cause.
@@weeblord3154 it was literally never a competition
Lol and literally when you start the fight Wolf says, “Sculptor...” and when you kill him he says thank you.
Ivano Balxano Not a samurai.
If you meet certain conditions, Sekiro says "Farewell Sculptor" upon performing the death blow. Also the dialogue with the old woman changes. Sekiro articulates that he knows who the demon hatred was before and the old woman replies different lines to this.
Zac Oliver what are the conditions
@@iaw1stperson I have not figured it out completely. Apparently you need to give the sculptor the different drinks and listen to his dialogues.
@Mikko Lopez I gave all...so Imma give it a shot
You need to spy emma and the sculptor when she comes to hear him carve budha statues, they mention the subject then go back and rest then go talk to him about that.
@@gamedevil7150 and when is that? Is it when he first got dragonrot?
Damn I just found where the demon of hatred was and felt like he was an optional boss, but after watching this now I gotta go back to help my buddy out.
Erick Mata Santos you owe to him :)
Thats literally what i did on my 2nd playthrough. Even tho i beat hom the first time, i did it again and went through that BULLCRAP FOR 2 HOURS to save him 😂
My literal exact experience. Found the optional boss, got two shotted in about 20 seconds and was like pfft okay I'm good and worked on Isshin for a couple of hours. But then I watched a video of the fight online, read some comments and made the connection between the characters and saw the end of the fight where the sculptor says "Wolf... thank you" as he's dying and was like fuck dude. I'd grown to genuinely like this character and was glad when I found a new "tea" to give him. Now here he sits in dumb animal pain and, as he literally says, I'm the only one who can kill him. Took me 1.5 solid days but it felt fucking amazing when it happened.
Right?? Can’t leave the homie behind, I mean look at this badass arm.
Yeah, still not fighting this boss
Who thought the sculpture said “He did it for my SA KE”
hhahahahaha
isshin is very passionate about his sake
Jerry Barnard FACTS
No cuz i was using volume
@@redtukeguy4263 I think he means for ppl who went with the Japanese audio and English subtitles
He became a Demon not because he was seeking the destruction of Ashina.
He was a old friend of Ishin (the old sword saint). He wanted to help Ashina Ishin to protect this country from the invation of Interior Ministry. That's why he took his last breath to protect the Ashina castle front door. But he could't control the hatred flame within, and became the Demon.
If you listened their conversation from outside the temple, when you talk to him again he will say "You will do it when the time comes" meaning "You will be the one to stop me if I get lost in hatred"
And Sekiro knew that he Demon was sculptor.(He answered "Yes" at 9:22 in my game) I don't know if it's because the different route and missing dialogues(many related hidden dialogues) cause the different answers or it's just a mistake in the translation (the conversation in Japanese).
timothy thao was it her sword in the ape’s Neck?
@@free--dirty9199 Yes, she died probably because she didn't know the ape was immortal
Something I'd like to add: The sculptor mentioned he won't die from dragonrot, and it's possible he was actually immortal at that point, as the remnant of the Hatred Demon says "he was bound stubbornly to this world"
Not only does his transformation look like a cleric beast, but another callback to bloodborne is the use of the malcontents ring in this boss fight. Just like Gascoigne's music box it causes him to remember his past distracting him momentarily. Expect where as Gascoigne appears to have a migraine, the sculptor sobs at the memories with his friend.
Remembers his past where is that stated at?
Malcontents works in any demon. He says that the finger and the ring are from his ex-partner.
Where is it stated that this is what happens with malcontent?
Peterjj28 its description
@@itsSmiv malcontent ring used to belong to his old friend when they were still young they used to train in ashina depths as shinobi and his friend sometimes would whistle the ring after they finished training. The sculptor will tell you about this story if you give him monkey booze.
Also in his second phase the little flame dudes he shoots at you are Buddha statues
I think it would be important to add that the reason for the sculptor's rage and hatred is also caused by the death of his partner/wife, who was also a shinobi but was eaten by the guardian ape, this is hinted by the prosthetic whistle tool you picked up after killing the guardian ape and when you bring that to the sculptor, he recognizes the finger as it is something his partner/wife used to use back when they were both shinobi.
this is probably why the demon of hatred lost it when sekiro used the whistle prosthetic tool on him.
@@shini183 Now that's fucking amazing, so much lore behind that gameplay mechanic
Shini Hikari hum i don’t think so. The whistle is effective against any surnatural bosses
@@Starkid527 when you get the final upgrade of the whistle he tell something
Yúř Ñeřø He is a demon. So it is.
This really hit me thinking about Emma’s line where she says she learned to fight because she wanted to be able to kill a demon should it appear
The sculptor told Wolf that Wolf needs to kill him before Emma would have to. The sculptor wouldn't want to put Emma through that.
She was talking about shura
@@zero8xkira Sculptor knew Emma trying to kill the demon would be as effective as using wet noodle to play tug of war.
@@zero8xkiraEmma would not be capable of killing the demon of hatred. I think only Sekiro and Isshin would be capable of such feat. Genichiro is pretty lame once you understand his moves.
@@JackMeoff46 I was telling more lore learned in game. Emma is weak as hell. Probably what would have happened was the sculptor would let Emma kill him right before he changed
If you eavesdrop on the sculptor while he talks to emma you actually get another line of dialogue from sekiro when you battle the demon
At the start of the fight
Wolf: Sculptor...
At phase 2
Wolf: Is this the flames of hatred?
At the end
Sculptor/Demon of hatred: finish me please..
Last deathblow
Wolf: Fare well sculptor
Sculptor/Demon of hatred: Wolf.. thank.. you..
Also it changes granny’s dialogue when you meet her after the fight
Edit: damn someone already said it
After spend maybe 2 hours trying to beat him it got me right in the feels when he says ''Finish me please'' & ''Thank you Wolf'' poor Sculpter
Its surprising how much foreshadowing there was to the Sculptor falling to Shura. The old lady, Emma's comment about fighting a demon if one were to show up, even the Sculptor himself with the skill texts and repeated remarks about Karmic debt and how his sculptures always turn out with hatred/bloodlust.
Legend states the demon has made many shinobi destroy there monitors
Maybe it mirrors the demon in all of us
Meh only 8 tries
I cheesed him, felt good, and when he died he said "thank you" I was like "WTF... why" and then saw this video
Guess in NG+ I'm gonna fight my bro like a man even if it mean a painful 94516 tries
I just beat it legit. It's worth it, trust me.
I cheesed him too after not being able to beat him in a hour.
After this exact same process and kicking his ass on NG+ man that shit is better than sex
What's the cheese method for him?
@@pilot3605 th-cam.com/video/QmplE2JDV6E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7-xa5NQ3t2_twZFn
Took me a while to kill this boss(demon of hatred) and I was doing trial and error without leaving the stage area where the boss is and when I finally killed it, the old lady told me if I knew him and wolf said he doesn't know and I as a player, I don't know either since I was so hooked up on how to kill this boss. I was so satisfied after I kill the boss after many hours of tries but that satisfaction led up to sadness once I went to give my prosthetic tools some upgrades the the sculptor wasn't there anymore and it hits me. I've never felt like this in a video game before where my feelings just turning on me from happiness to feeling sorry that I enjoyed killing him. I feel so bad. That what makes this game a master piece. Sorry for the long comment. This game is just that amazing for me.
Don't feel bad. After everything the Sculptor did for us, I feel that setting him free from the flames was the least we could do.
did you see that the divine dragon also don't have the arm
Divine Dragon is missing an arm because Owl took a branch from it
whqa ? The divine Dragon is the Sakura tree?
@@Starkid527 The fragrance of the sakura (everblossom) tree is the key to the divine realm, and the tree that the dragon sprouts from in the divine realm is probably the everblossom that withers and passes into the realm. The missing arm would be the branch that was taken from it by Owl before the tree withered
Also the sculptor is still around when you fight the divine dragon
@@oNiconter what? how? where?
The demon being the sculptor didn't even cross my mind the first time, now realizing how everything adds together perfectly blows my mind
this is both deep and mind blowing who knew that a old man could become a demon of pure hatred
One of the best action/story games I've played so far so much back story outstanding.
Wolf actually knows, if you drink with sculptor a lot, he will recognise him... it is too sad...
If you give him monkey booze he will talk about how the sculptor and his friend went to the place where is the guardian ape to fight and started moving like apes, he talked about the whistle, i even got a lion king vibe from it. Sad.
Fun fact: if you get to know the sculpture more as sekiro (by offering sake and etc ) he actually finds out who the demon is mid fight .
if you eavesdrop on him and emma talking,the dialog changes with the old lady and sekiro.
Eavesdrop when?
@@anactualguy8257 if you follow the questline to face owl for the 2nd time it should work. its after you ease drop on issin and emma leaves and sits next to the sculpture. go around the back of the house they are in and look through the hole in the wall and you can ease drop. also you will get more dialog when you are fighting the demon of hatred when you start taking off lifebars and when he dies
Black Phoenix187 it’s Eavesdrop not ease drop
@@nightrain1121 lol thx for telling me.
It's funny that the minute I saw the Demon I knew it was the Sculptor. The one arm, the fact that it looks kinda like an orangutan (the Sculptor's name when he was a ninja) and when you visit the Dilapidated Temple and see he's not there, if you speak to the merchant he'll tell you the Sculptor left speaking about "flames".
"And let the Lords' embers acknowledge thee as their true heir. A true lord, fit to link the fire." - Fire Keeper Dark Souls 3 :D
my mans pulling out lore before vaati
no offence to the content creator, but nobody can beat Vaati's storytelling ability and attention to detail. Not to mention his awesome cinematics. Vaati isn't exactly known for being quick hes known for telling the story most accurately imo.
@LoveMeSomeCake exactly
@@weebaker That's because Vaati doesn't come up with his theories on his own. For the most part, he just collects other people's lore and conclusions (forum threads, other youtubers etc.) and adapts them into his own storytelling method.
@@Joltastik somewhat, but id argue that he likes to get the whole story to the greatest accuracy that the game provides, he doesn't theorize because he uses connections in the game that are practically set in stone, his videos are the more objective version of the story that can be proven through the facts the game gives us, so yes he doesn't theorize, he gives us the whole true story, and makes it very clear when something is speculation or theory.
Vatti's got a lot of life stuff going on. So its a bit slowgoing for him.
It's the Laurence version of Sekiro.
@@blairpreaker I think he's saying Lawrence because theryre both fucking hard to beat and because of the fire theme.
@@abc4781 Exactly
@@stefanotvp9782 lol dude some people just can't put 2 and 2 together.
abc4781 except his comparison to Gascogne was way better lol
@@brertt8350 the only thing they have in common is the lore similarities. Gameplay wise they're nothing like eachother
Also tidbit, I think during the purification progression line, you can evesdrop on emma talking to the sculptor about his anger and how emma will stop him if it comes to that, and then resetting the area to get emma to leave will have him beg you to stop him because he couldn't bear to hurt emma
This seems like very important info
The sculpture reminds me a little of Ghernam from Bloodborne (might’ve spelled it wrong) but just his role as a mentor and the fact you have to battle to him at some point .. and is basically you if you make certain decisions throughout the game
Ishin talks about stopping a Shura in his time, this is after when he was talking to Emma and we eve's drop on them later when emma leaves and we give him his own sake he talks bout this..later...when you choose Shura ending he says
"I've put end to one of you before".
Fromsoft's lore is always so amazing i cannot believe how much work they put into it with every game
You are givin Vattii a run for his money. Keep it up man, I like the videos.
elmexicano555 thanks so much man. Glad you like the video. More coming soon!
Mikko Lopez why did u give out so many w
Love your videos because there are not enough lore videos out there yet! Could you please do one about Isshin and Tengu being the same person?
Da Silva thanks bud! I love making them :D I really want to, it’s on my ever growing list hahah
Everyone knows that he states it in game and you can see the tengu armour in the background or isshins room plus they have the same voice
Good video but im disapointed you didnt mention that when the sculptor is no longer in the temple if you speak to fujioka the info broker he tell you that the sculptor is gone to the batlefield saying something about flame. Thats personally how I found out he was the demon of hatred on my second playthrough
If you do all of the eavsedrops and sake's for Emma, Ishin, and the Sculptor (Sekijo) then Sekiro will recognize him and say it outloud to the player, the old woman's dialogue changes as well.
wait when I played sekiro/wolf knew who the demon of hatred was, he was like, "bye sculptor"
So you gave him many drinks, right ?
@@Bobafett-bi8ht yes
@@TheAlex010 that's how you trigger Wolf's reaction. Now, farewell Lord Grimm.
Something I noticed after fighting him on another playthrough those fire projectiles he throws during the second phase seem to have Buddha statues within them
That’s so sad the man that gave us a bed when we were all but failed. Becomes consumed by his own bloodlust and hatred
Ahhhh.. this makes me happy. I decided to look up Sekiro lore and guess who's covering it? Smoughtown.. I first heard about your content via Elden Ring. Now that I recently purchased Sekiro again, I'm about to dive headfirst into all of your content all over again.
Hahaha amazing! Enjoy it Ricky!
what a great prepare to cry epi- wait.
edit: correction, shadows cry twice
I’ve been waiting for a while for lore... and you brought it! Subscribed!
Thanks for the support bud!
Thank you so much for the sekiro lore dude, every video is gold.
One of the best bosses in the game. Doesn't challenge you as much as the Saint, but is way too much fun to learn. One of my favorite Fromsoft bosses and easily my favorite Sekiro boss
I see it the other way around, for me he is much more of a struggle than Saint, which i killed maybe in my 5th attempt (Demon had like 10 of them and still is alive, i got once to 2nd healthbar, then died...)
Demon had more bullshit moves that were hard to evade. Like the long range explosive fire whip to the ground. That jump timing must be PERFECT. That and the fireball throwing when you are running towards him makes me hate the fucking thing. Which is fitting.
@@GreedAndSelfishness Supposedly you can cheese him with the fire umbrella and the whistle finger, but I still find him much more punishing than Sword Saint.
Using prosthetics in a boss fight is not cheesing. You're a shinobi. The motto of the game is kill ingeniously.
@@anathema2526 use the fire umbrella and project force. It will block everything except for the running sweep. Use it when he jumps into the air and then use the project force skill put of it after the flames fade so you don't get knocked down. It will do loads of damage
I figured the sculptor was the demon nh the way said demon looks in the reflection of strength menu. they're very similar, and both the demon and the sculptor were both missing a left arm. but watching this video made me understand the lore way better
Wolf doesn't know the demon is the sculptor if you dont drink with people, do it enough and they talk, the sculptor says "you will be the one to kill me" and others, and with enough when you start the fight with the demon wolf talks to the demon calling him sculptor, and bidding him farewell as he kills him, and confirms that he knew who the demon was when talking to the old woman
For those who don’t know it is possible for Sekiro to identify the demon as the sculptor when the fight begins, to do this you must exhaust all dialogue with him and all eavesdrops and unlock all dialogue for him when you give him each type of sake. After this there is a special dialogue at the end when defeating the demon of hatred and the old woman’s dialogue changes as well since Sekiro knew it was sculptor all along
Brilliant.
This is what I love about FromSoftware. For the absolute melts of us , we seek this stuff out and speculate for years like nerds.
This is the shit I love as much as actually playing the games. I mean how awful is the Armoured Warriors death? Now I know the story I just don’t wanna do it. Same with the Demon but you gotta do what’s right.
Great stuff man and I’ll sub and watch the rest. Let’s pray that they do a massive DLC if we are lucky or maybe some secrets over the next year will come out to add to the lore etc
I have loved this game massively and I can’t see the GHOST game being as good as this to be honest. I knew what I was getting with Sekiro and to me they are making better games with every single release. What a great bloody developer for sticking to their guns and keeping it their own way.
This will be another cult classic in gaming history. When you think about it they will leave a legacy like no other developer if they stay on this path. To be honest they can make a game about anything, any location with any story with this formula and it can work.
A Sci Fi game that is with swords of some kind. Vikings , anything works. After this I’m just buzzing for whatever they do next. I’d love Bloodborne2 but at the same time I really hope they don’t cos it shows they are always thinking ahead and not milking it. For example look at Demon Souls, it really stands on its own to an extent and it has this cult status cos of that. Sekiro could easily have a sequel but again I hope they now move to another direction cos they are so great at it. I’d love maybe one that’s a warped version of Greek mythology vs a cyclops etc. It can go anywhere. I’m waffling now but wicked video
Dude that's not even it, it the finger whistle with the ring that stuns him, that give out who he is (in the game when you found the whistle it says he had a friend that uses that). Plus he is one armed, info broker mentioned he mumbled flames and head to this directions and that he call Sekiro, Wolf after he dies.
So in shura ending Sekiro basically becomes Kratos in Japan
Probably
Their is more dialogue for the sculptor, emma, sekiro and the old lady if you ease drop on emma and the sculptor talking and then talk to the sculptor after resting and then when you fight him he and sekiro and the old lady all have more dialogue.
Well what do they say?
@@aitorjimenez2705 For sekiro he says, 'sculptor' 'so these are the flames of hatred' during the fight. After eavesdropping on emma and the sculptor about the flames and talking to him he asks you to put him down so she doesn't have to. From what I remember the old lady says he was most likely grateful for you putting him to his end.
When you give sake to Emma, she says her wish is to take down a demon(probably knowing some day the sculptor turns into one)
@@andrevaldez2810 The demon Emma was talking about is wolf.
@@toufiq309 really ? Well i was think she was talking about The Sculptor, she knoes more him than Sekiro
you coud do a lore vídeo about the divine dragon
Guilherme Contiero definitely on the list my friend
@@SmoughTown thanks man
Hell ya
SmoughTown a scholar and a gentleman
Awesome video, I didn't know for sure who it was. An observation I had while listening is that: his fight (the Demon of Hatred) is arguably the single most Dark Souls-y fight in the game... and all he sees is fire, a most central theme in DS, with the age of fire. In a thematic way, he seems to serve as the connective tissue that ties the worlds of Sekiro and Dark Souls together. I mean, thinking of Artorias' busted arm - I know better than to put it past FromSoft to make creative decisions about boss fights based on what serves the in-universe logic and lore of the games.
Its also interessting to mention after you killed the demon its says: shinobi execution instead of something else
Another superb Sekiro lore vid! Thanks for making these, especially now that JSF only makes silly videos now :(
Joseph Neyland thanks my friend :) Got another one in the works
He even answers. What a lad!
If isshin really cut off the sculptors arm to save him then genichiro actually did the same exact thing but idk if wolf was about to get lost in his own bloodlust
Demon of hatred, keeping up the long line of optional bosses with big left arms and tiny legs that kick your ass.
Reminds me a lot of Princess Mononoke with Nago the boar becoming a demon after being consumed by hatred and cursing Ashitaka with a mark on his right arm that worsens when Ashitaka is exposed to all the hatred and bloodshed in the world.
I guess the sculpture is similar to isshin. Isshin slayed many to perfect his sword skills but for a cause. The sculpture wanted to perfect his killing to be the most efficient but eventually fell into the traps of shura, as he only fought for himself.
Congratulations on 10k!your about 50 subs away!
Thanks bruv!
When I first reached the burning area with the fire scraches I was like "hell orangutan went mad". and was supprised when I saw he litteraly just transformed into a demon few seconds after.
Thank you! I was wanting to know more but nobody would post a damn lore video. Nice work !
Amazing stuff; I yet have to kill it, been closing other things first.
DarkBlood Souls lure it behind the tree
@@robsmith5954
No.
Let them fight it and earn it, as you should in Sekiro.
Sekiro does know who he is if you exhausted every dialogue option when you talk to the lady at the end
Man this is sad I like the sculpture we shared sake together.
It's Zen he was a good bro, we owe it to him to put him down
Wolf: *kills demon of hatred*
DoH: "Wolf... Thank... You..."
Wolf: "I don't even know who you are."
Wolf literally addresses the demon as Sculptor as soon as you walk in and the says "farewell sculptor" when hes killed.
so SHURA is basically KHORNE...blood for the bloodgod
This entire time, I thought she was just rambling on about the coming war, yet on my second playthrough, I immediately put together the fact that she was speaking of the Demon of Hatred and his coming alongside the war.
I knew it was him all along because even when you return to the dilapidated temple the sculpture is gone no longer there
When I talked with the lady, Sekiro was able to answer "yes" he and I knew who the demon was. Maybe because I always gave him variety of drinks.
Hey, i suppose you talk for marchand in ruin temple, you have information of sculpteur and you fighting the demon, wolf realise this sculpteur. Or + promise effected with sculpteur. "Sculpteur " ,"what this the flame of hatred" and "goodbye sculpteur ".
It annoys me that Emma didn't join us for this fight...think when Wolf asked her why she learned her sword skill she said something along the line to kill the demon...
That’s right, she was taught by Isshin for the precise reason that she ‘wants to be able to fight a demon, if one comes’ however the sculptor tells us that he doesn’t want Emma to do it, that he wants it to be us (in a dialogue after eavesdropping on him and emma), so I think it’s right we spare Emma from that
@Mikko Lopez You sure about that? Cuz there was the drunkard battle....and the whole puppeteer thing
Oh I missed that line of conversation cuz I've only done the Dragon' s Homecoming ending, thanks for letting me know.
There's a small bit missing in this. I don't know the trigger conditions but you can get to a point where Wolf *does* know the demon of hatred was the sculptor. And both of the final dialogues you mentioned change.
I received a piece of dialogue from Emma (the sculptor's friend) that explained why she learned to fight with a sword. She says "you never know when you'll face a demon". Could that be talking about the sculptor? Did she know he would turn and she would have to kill him one day but when the time came, she was busy taking care of Kuro and Isshin in the tower?
*spoiler* The demon this is referring to would be Sekiro as in the ending where he becomes shura he is also required to kill Emma. Obviously the character Emma doesn't know that but I think this is what the writer is hinting at.
@@j.b.aw.6968
No. Emma was specifically referring to the Sculptor. There are a couple of conversations she has with the Sculptor that you can eavesdrop on where she implies that she'll put the Sculptor out of his misery should the future he keeps seeing comes to pass. After one of them, if you talk to him, he asks you to be the one to kill him. This unlocks some dialogue for Wolf when he encounters the Demon of Hatred.
Emma know sekiro will become a shura in a dialogue she talk about his grey part of the hairs, and this is a sign sekiro can become a shura
@@enzo947
No, I don't think so. The grey hairs are a sign of the dragon's heritage. You can also see them on Kuro and the Divine Child.
She is talking about the sculptor. She also mentions she was saved by an ape or monkey at one point that was also him. His shinobi name is Orangutang
I realized who it was right after and it made me appreciate the boss that much more
actually, if you give Sake to the sculptor Sekiro will know the demon is the sculptor.
I wondered why the sculptor disappeared after you get the dragon's tear. Makes sense now.
You were the chosen one!! It was said that u would bring glory to Ashina not destroy it. Bring balance to Ashina no destroy it.
You were my brother sculpter, I loved u
the sculptor says that he want you to be the one to kill him when the time come and not Emma the when you kill the demon sekiro say's goodbye friend
Love ur videos to bad Vaati doesnt have any lore videos, your doing gods work! Sub'd
Dragythedrag thanks bud that’s really kind of you to say!
The sculptors name is Sekijo. Dont forget that conversation with the masked isshin in ashina castle......sekijo is the the free shinobi outfit you get when you beat the game. We all know that. Thats THE SCULPTER.
Don't forget that if you give dragonspring sake to isshin he will tell you that fools would come out of nowhere asking for a drink, fools with illusion techniques (lady butterfly) and fools with half made prosthetic arm (orangutan) and the fool who is owl (master Shinobi owl) who despite his massive structure would fall after the first cup of sake.
Actually if start to share more sake and all of that, wolf actually recognizes the sculptor as the demon and he apologizes or something
Wow, man, you made me get surprised! Thank you for the video!
Thank you friend!
Thanks man . Keep em coming 🙏🏻
Doom Sayer thanks bro. Will do
Is there any other lore that can be found in Sekiro? I've seen a few videos on Sekiro lore and they all are about either Robert and his armor clad dad or the sculptor as the DOH.
You can give sake to Emma and Isshin and get some backstory for them. Other than that the rest seems to reside in quest and skill texts that the game gives you as you play anyway.
Awesome video mate, looking forward to more!
Brilliant work
Sekiro actually can learn about demon being Sekijo, I.e. the sculpturor. Following is how:
When you collected both the flower and the stone, Emma will appear in the temple. Eavesdrop their conversation, where Emma said she will (kill him) when it happens (he became Shura). Then in the evening, when Sekijo is alone, go to him a few times. There will be a few times when he simply praise Sekiro for his growth and such. Eventually he will beg Sekiro to promise to kill him (he will say "I want you to do it,...") so that Emma can be spared of such trauma. Then Sekiro will know that the demon is Sekijo when he see it, mumbling "sculpturor..." upon encounter and saying goodbye upon killing him.
Know that if you want to go for Purification Route, you must get Sekijo to beg Sekiro before Emma go to Sekijo for advise, or else Emma will never leave, and Seikjo will never talk about this in her presence.
It's a little late but can someone tell me how exactly do people of Ashina travel? There are broken bridges everywhere and I'm pretty sure everyone needs supplies eventually. The sculptor couldn't have dragged us without an actual bridge to get us by. Also, no one seems to be bothered about the cold even in very normal clothes, surprises me kind of even though it might be that they are just used to the weather.
Awesome video! Very insightful!
Shura ending:
Emma: I have witnessed Shura once before. The very same stirs inside of you."
Ishin says: "Shura, I never did think I'd have to kill your kind again"
Also, there's also a hidden dialogue when you kill the Demon. Basically, if you do some talking with the sculptor, some eavesdropping, the dialogue when you kill him + the dialogue with the old lady near the demon fight change.
I didn’t notice that in the Shura ending your prosthetic arm is on fire, much like the demon.
Great video man
Orit Paryente glad you liked it, cheers for watching
Sekiro recognizing the sculptor as the demon of hatred is unusually direct for From Software games. Maybe it's because we have a talking protagonist instead of a silent one.
The poses the demon does on some attacks are the same, or very similar to some of the poses you do when eating a Buddha candy
It is sad whenever he cries listening to the malcontent
I love Sekiro for its deep lore, it’s quiet but deep if ya know what I mean. And if you want you basically can be what he wasn’t
You can eavesdrop on him and Emma and get some extra dialogue for sekiro So he says farewell sculpture as you finish him
If you speak with the old woman after defeating gyoubu, she'll say something like "war will never stop and where will the hatred go" is really something for me.
kinda foreshadow this stuff early in the story.