1:50 Trusova's coach situation 3:00 Eteri 6:00 Rafael 7:00 back to Trusova 8:55 Rambo 70 girls this season 10:00 back to Trusova and father 12:15 Kostornaia vs Trusova 13:00 Training in Russia 14:03 Scores after leaving Rambo 70 and puberty 18:40 Hot Sergei 20:05 Daria Usacheva 22:00 Training with Eteri and russian skating culture 26:23 Tom Z 33:58 Track and field 34:55 back to Tom Z 35:30 Combining old rules and new ones 38:20 Russian drama being over the top 40:36 Presenting team Plushenko 41:47 Viktor Petrenko's 3 Axel 44:51 Ekaterina Ryabova 47:35 Skating coaches and money 49:40 Plushenko's wife 54:53 Daniil Samsonov 55:14 Fedotov brothers 55:50 other schools 56:30 Michail Kolyada 57:03 Skate canada webinar
@@hannibaljustincase9985 Nah, Anna is cool, she reminds me of mk at 16, she looks cute, sweet and vulnerable, but I think she,s made of sterner stuff. A beautiful, strong flower, a steel magnolia.
@@francemathieu3579 Hi France, pretty goog huh,lol. You know if she stands at the top of the podium at the big dance in beijing, maybe a story should be written about the beautiful ANYA.She really is super special, I think I said it before and i.,d say it again, I haven,t seen a skater with her abilities, solid jumps, gorgeous edges, beautiful choreography, wonderful interpretation, power, finesse, sophistication and control, and that all important X factor, star power. I haven,t seen a skater with her complete package since the great mk, the legendary Michelle Kwan, she is that special.
I love the fact that Raf has been enjoying your Russian drama videos, he is such a gift! I’m a bit sad the logistics of Trusova training with Raf are too complicated to become a reality, I would have loved to see that! At least we'll get epic Kiss and Cry moments with Hot Sergei and Plushenko as consolation. Also, I was one of the other people in Viktor Petrenko’s jump class and within the first 20 minutes I was sweating my butt off beyond belief. He kicked my ass!!! I'm a little jealous you’re getting private lessons, Dave- I thought his instruction was really great. Dave, thank you for always keeping it so real. Not everyone can handle the truth! PS I think Trusova should pull a Jason Brown and finally cut her hair into a more sophisticated cut when she’s settled at her new rink lol
Bahahaha .... Tom Z really is special.... there are no other words 🤣 “He cannot be hitting the vodka and cigarettes like Danny G” This episode was pure gold! Thanks guys ❤️💚💜💙
Wonderful as always! Thank you so much for keeping This and That as a constant every week! Totally agree with Jonathan on the singing motivation bursts btw - one week I’ll have learned almost a full song cycle and the next I’ve barely sung through one piece. Luckily I still have a video exam for my degree to work towards though!
When Dave said “he’s still lifting her by the hooha”, I knew this episode will be full of 🍵. But little did I know I would have to get two bags of 🍿 instead of one 🤷🏻♂️
I hate quarantine so much. Quarantine is unhealthy because as I remain introspective....I also need to continue to focus on my personal wellness. I must be moving and focusing on building positivity no matter if it is my job, or personal activities.
Trusova is so cute like a living doll .which is why she is popular among women. Any little girl wants a doll like sasha and any woman wants a daughter like a dolly
If the judge panels do really give "Eteri bonus points", it'll be another tough deficit for Trusova to overcome (and I hope that's not the case but just postulation), but in any case, it was clear that things didn't progress the right way for Trusova in the Eteri camp, and a move was clearly needed. Surely her new camp must have someone to work on artistry, edge-work and improving GOE on elements. That being said, I think her step sequence with that: super athletic backward bend spread eagle glide, should score *way* higher than it ever did -- I mean, come on, show me who else can do that move? IMHO it is far more impressive than some regular, boring spin. Sure, compared to Aliona, Sasha's skating style looks much clumsier (by a lot), but I wouldn't say it quite as bad, nor put it down quite as much as I've heard/read, including here. Trusova is still near the top in *exciting skating* even if it isn't as much "art" as, say, a bit more like "Diamond League" athletics.
I always felt like, well, they sort of tried to fit their limited brand of choreo to Trusova's athletic style, but were still at the end of the day trying to squeeze the skater into the mold of their brand rather than adapting to her strengths. She has a masculine style of skating and they just need to embrace that: she's never going to be an ice princess any more than Nathen Chen is going to morph into Yuzuru Hanyu.
@@iris7484 Agreed. I also think Trusova would benefit from a more high energy program and uptempo music. Apparently, she has already chosen something for a new program for the Plushenko camp. So, we'll see, eventually.
@@iris7484 I think Trusova would have been better with something like Alysa Liu sp (something fun/uplifting), she has charisma and personality, but her 2 programs last season were pretty terrible, and only highlighted even more her weakness.
@@evemhooper I would prefer a re-imagining (a euphemistic way to say: copy) of Ivett Toth from 2018 Olympics program, with AC/DC rock & leather. Right about right for Trusova. For $hits&giggles, maybe use Slayer instead of something tame like AC/DC :D ...or since Sasha has trouble hanging with music even in Alexei's floor dance exercises, just go full Mayhem black metal!
My brother thinks that Trusova is going to work on her skating skills and get her components up now shes left. I think she's going to go full intense athlete and try and land 6 quads so it doesn't matter if she has no skating skills. We shall see 🤷♀️
@@efimkrivov I didn't say she had no skating skills, but they're obviously weaker than others in the field. I meant that if she lands 6 quads clean with + GOE and others are doing max 2-3 quads, mathematically she will beat everyone regardless of PCS.
@@Jontor11 yeah I agree. I also don't necessarily see her successfully landing a 6 quad program or anything, but I do see her working towards and attempting one so she doesn't work on PCS
@@shelleyc853 And that's her problem. She can do this and that quad (Dave - see what I did there), but she can't land them all cleanly in one program. The new +5/-5-system which included lower base value for quads has not been kind to Trusova. And we can see that she has obviously not been working on her spins either, besides the PCS. If you do the math, she wouldn't have beaten a clean Shcherbakova at GP Final, Russian Nationals, Europeans, if she had landed 4 quads. So in retrospect, she never was the winner that she (and most of us all) anticipated.
Dave, that was my point, if Trusova had got the deserved components back in the juniors, she wouldn’t have been delusional this first senior season. That was problem number 1. That’s what Eteti tried to make her work on, but Sasha thought she would have got away with 5 quads which only made it worse. I mean Eteri does not care who wins unless it’s one of her students.
Trusova's skating skills have greatly regressed since her junior debut. If you watch her earlier programs from her first junior season, she was nowhere near as sloppy.
Kelly Moran I think her skating skills progress a bit compared to her junior level but the two programs of the first senior season are very flaky and boring. Only jumps and awkward choreography, making her average skating skills look worse. Danill is to blame for this.
I am not ready for the boards! Ugh Russian test skates couldn’t be any sooner!!! I wonder what music/programs they will choose if they’re trying to elevate her, and if they will work with the loss of training.....
Love the video! I wish Sasha happiness and health throughout her skating career! Dave - is their any way that you could re-upload the first 2 episodes of the "was yuna robbed" series? It's blocked in the USA :(
There was this toddlers and tiaras episode with an Eastern European (Russian?) Mum who thought her daughter’s insanely long hair was going to win her all the prizes and the judges were like ‘WTF is this’ and that’s what Trusova reminds me of
Trusova's problem is that she was a star too early. And that is not a good thing to do to a 13-year old. She thought that she was the biggest star ever and would rule seniors. It didn't happen. And we all know why. She just wasn't good enough. The new +5/-5-system effectively held her down. And her skating skills and PCS and spins? I feel sorry for the girl. She's been mislead.
There are lots of skaters who dominated juniors but didn't make it as seniors. Not saying that is Trusova. After all, she was never off the podium the whole season. But I don't think the star hype hurt her. Again, she did extremely well for someone in her first senior season. It's just that two other skaters did, too.
I am so disappointed with the social media posts of Cain (coach, not skater) and TomZ about the coronavirus. I don’t mind well thought out conservative ideas, even if I disagree with them quite strongly. But supporting this administration’s coronavirus messaging and leadership... it defies logic and makes me very, very sad.
Do you really think Kostornaia is the favourite now, Eteri is never with her in the Kiss and Cry and she does not seem to like Sergei at all her body language is quite rigid and uncomfortable around them. I would say Scherbakova was Eteri's favourite - hugs etc where as with Kostornaia it's so awkward Im surprised she hasnt left
I think Kostornaia doesn't have the kind of pliable personality Eteri likes best, and it seems she will work hard for Eteri's respect but not her affection. I agree that Scherbakova is probably Eteri's favorite but business-wise, Kostornaia is a better bet.
Kostornaia is by far the best skater at the moment but I get the feeling listening to her interviews that she also has a realistic view of her future career. She is already looking forward to her next career after her skating is over. It’s clear that the standard of skating can not be maintained into womanhood. It’s just pure physics. Curvature and bone change in the pelvis just change the card deck.
re: practicing with masks... I know it would be incredibly difficult, but didn't Hanyu use to warm up with a mask to help strengthen his lungs because of his asthma? And I know in S Korea there are dancers who practice with masks as well. Maybe everyone could come back with increased lung capacity~
Justice for Elena Bechke! B&P's Romance is one of the greatest pair programs (albeit pro) of all time. Her daily ballet made a massive difference. Barb Underhill used to go on about how fit Elena was, and so could do moves no one else could do, pro or not.
1) Dennis lifting Stefan Lambiel in a "pairs exercise" in their ISU strength training video 2) re: traveling on a Russian passport I'm pretty sure most middle eastern countries have pretty open travel arrangements with russia, i know of people with non american passports who got into russia with no visa application at all.
Hello, love your show, just wonder if you have any news on where is Yuzuru right now? Is he working on his new program and what will we expect in this new coming season?
I would think skating with a mask is useless, i mean I would be more worried about everybody touching the boards when they have to blow their nose and then everybody touching their face to fix their mask.
Watching this episode bit by bit. (It is Mother's Day, after all.) But just got to the part early on where you call me out. Thanks, I guess? 😂😂😂 On the topic of men in Sasha's life, can we take a step back and appreciate what an impressive power move this was by Sergei Rozanov? As of the beginning of this season, he was basically an unknown in the skating world. Then people started asking, "Who's that quiet guy overseeing Eteri's novices at competitions?" Thus, the Hot Sergei nickname was born. And now, pretty much out of nowhere, he's positioned himself to be one of the most influential coaches in Russia, and thus all of skating. (I mean, we'll see who actually coaches Sasha and Veronika, but like you guys, I'm skeptical it's going to be Plushenko at the rink day in and day out.) Here's a photo of Rozanov as a kid with two other powerful male coaching figures, Mishin and Raf...instagram.com/p/BCoEHq9ocFm. Makes you wonder whether he's been quietly taking notes and plotting this all along? 😊
@@TheSkatingLesson Do think Tom Z watched the episode because he hoped you would mention him? I mean, I wouldn't know his name if it weren't for the Skating Lesson.
@TheSkatingLesson Let's see if you can guess who these two skaters are, and which competition: Skater #1 Narrowly lost out to skater #2. Skater #1 has quads and trips, but the choreo and artistry are much weaker than skater #2. The same is true about PCS and GOE of elements. Particularly as several of the difficult jumps had glaring issues. Furthermore, spins are slow and weak as are step sequences, although there was one pretty good step sequence. Skater #2 Does not have a single quad, but the trip jumps are well executed with high GOE, as is the rest of the program, with very nice choreo and smooth stepwork, good spins. Overall, great artistic program, even if lacking any quads. Answer: Well, it's actually a trick question because there are four skaters, two battle pairs which are: Skater #1 Evgeni Plushenko Skater #2 Evan Lysacek at Vancouver Olympics 2010 Skater #1 Alexandra Trusova Skater #2 Aliona Kostornaia at every senior contest The same description applies to both pairs. Now, given that both Plushenko and Trusova are basically jumping beans, I think it's a perfect match -- if only Plushenko can get someone else to do the choreo and artistic work for Trusova rather than himself or his vision, if it doesn't include better choreo than his own or Trusova's recent programs. As for athletic jumping, he has to be the rigght guy to understand both: how that is what Trusova is all about, and how: both he and she have lost comps narrowly due to having not much more in the program.
First of all, love the Russian accents. And the shade 😁 I wonder if Medvedeva continuing may be a sensible thing. True, she is very unlikely to win at Europeans or Worlds. But she keeps her name out there for a few more years and gets Nike and other opportunities that perhaps are more likely to disappear when you stop competing. So it's competing to keep up her profile and endorsements rather than competing for medals?
I guess sensible to her and sensible to everyone else are probably two different things. If she did the "sensible" thing and retired last year, she would always wonder if she could have done more. Right now I feel like she is living her best life by her own standards and can live with "failing" as long as she did everything she could.
Her main target is Beijing 2022, that's why she came to Orser. She know she won't make it with Eteri. Orser willing to help her but he state that, it didn't mean she would win every competition along the way to the Olympics. She have to trust their system and take it step by step... and now, we can see that she still make it to the podium. I hope Zagitova would dare to make big decision for her career too.
not a fan of fake Russian accents, but onto: Medvedeva, who has such great talent, it would (will?) be sad to see her miss the next Olympics, but let's be real: 3 spots to RU single ladies. So=Valieva, Kostornaia plus one. Which one? Scherbakova, Trusova, Zagitova, Medvedeva, Usacheva, and so many others? I say Trusova, but also want to see Anna get a chance but with current IOC rule no go. So Medvedeva? Zagitova? Old skool news... sorry time is over unless they sign up w/ a new flag.
I didn’t think we would see a coaching staff more self righteous than Eteri and her associates......then Plushenko and Rudkovskaya started a coaching school. 😆
52:38 Real talk-Sasha Plushenko is no Vadim Voroniv. He makes no progress year after year and just skitters around on his blades like he can’t use the muscles in the bottom of his feet to feel the ice. Milk the shows while you can, kid!
Zadie Smith Kids aged 3-7, when you give them real lessons, are little sponges and any kid that age could manage that if they had all that training. They’re primed to learn and you just have to put in the work. His flexibility is amazing, but also a little sad to see his dad pushing him into a position while he’s whining and crying about it. He doesn’t have any passion or real skills other than doing moves he’s been told to do, so being able to do doubles because he’s been trained up to that point but looking like Bambi on ice is like 15 year olds doing quads but having no edges or artistry-it’s just trained through hard work and repetition. If you watch his Instagram, he actually has a personality when he’s playing with his puppy or showing the camera plants in his garden, but he’s totally robotic on ice. So we’ll see, but it just doesn’t look like skating is something he loves.
Even when Dani G picks the right music (like Peer Gynt for Trusuva) his choreo screws it up. Trump spends all of his time on Twitter & DOES randomly retweet regular people's posts. Sadly, this has encouraged so many of his fans to try to get his attention for that retweet!
I honestly wish we had figure skating coaching drama here in the states like it is in Russia, because it’s so much fun to read about these Russian figure skating dramas. Can we please have this Uncle Alex on the show at some point? And I know you gave your Russian source a codename, but I have a theory that it’s one of Eteri’s former students, like Yulia Lipnitskaya or Polina Shelepen
EB18 just so I’m clear, are we talking about Kerrigan-Harding scandal or the 2014 Olympic selection scandal, where Mirai Nagasu wasn’t picked to represent the US at Sochi? Or some other scandal that I haven’t read about. I know there was some controversy surrounding the pair skater John Coughlin before his passing.
no there are not; definitely not; and I thought I heard some gossips of Steph having a long-time boyfriend outside the skating community or something? (only gossips thou lol
@@lucylyu2573 honestly I always thought Steph was dating his manager Chris Trevisan. I can see where other people see the Deniss/Steph thing, but I don't believe they have ever been, or will ever be a couple.
Vero A from what I gather, she was already involved or maybe even married to her husband when his ex wife gave birth. Maybe step parents have more custody rights over there? I don’t know but it’s all very interesting!
It would be interesting to hear your take on all of the different classes skaters are offering but your schedule seems too packed as it is without adding that to the mix.
Russian also get married and have kids in their early twenties, it's a cultural difference ( see all the gymnasts /rhythmic gymnasts get married and get pregnant almost immediately after retiring). It sounds super inappropriate for us, but I think it basically means "go on with the adult life and find other goals/purposes".
Eteri is pure evil. How manh skaters does she have to injure before someone does something? Yulia, evgenia, sherbakova, zagitova. All injured by backloading and jumping with poor technique. Its insane.
AND eating disorders. Julia admitted and diagnosed, Medvedeva all but - first thing she did after leaving though was go to a nutritionist. She also talked a lot about learning to accept her body and care for it
This was really interesting, though strange. There are things going on that just prove how human skaters are. It's too bad they're more discreet. Anyhow, when are you guys going to critique another Stephane Lambiel program. Poeta was so wonderful. I look forward to it as soon as you can find the time. Meanwhile, I hope this drama simmers down pretty soon.
I've always been getting your humor, Dave. Just so you know. Actually, in her book, Peggy talked about how she was less than thrilled at first to work with Dick because she felt he didn't like her skating back when she was competitive, apparently he never said anything nice when he was commentating it. When she finally confronted him about it he was like "Why would you think that? I've always loved your skating!".
@@TheSkatingLesson Actually, in her case it was her mom (of course) who "planted the seeds of distrust" about Dick in her when Peggy was 16. It was decades later she finally let that go.
Well yes, she did win Worlds 2007 AA. Others peaked at the most important event: Yang Yilin, Jiang Yuyuang (if not for her elbow injury right before Beijing, she would have been the front runner), and Nastia, while Shawn was more hanging on by the Olympics.
Stephanie Senerchia Yes, Nastia Liukin was injured much of 2007. If both of them were at their peaks at the same time, and both went 4 for 4...well, I think it would have been really, REALLY close. Loved them both for different reasons. ❤️
Love and validation to the both of you, and of course a standing O for Dave’s Russian accent ❤️oh and just speaking for myself (and yes I’ve copped the OMG your body alone is grounds for disqualification comments so this is an informed opinion here 😉), the way correct to phrase “I hate your physique” is “Have you and your gross body ever considered retiring in style on my billionaire husband’s dime? Because that apartment is yours for a mere bouquet of flowers....NICE flowers” 💐 Jonathan, Devers had the nails & fell, but FloJo was like, more makeup, long hair & unitard? But if we combine the tutu with the nails and some hurdles, we oughta be in for as many falls as a splattfest of a skate so I’d watch that! ☺️
The Russians are entertaining us so much and it's not even on the ice. That's entertainment. The Russian's need their own reality show.
100%
YES PLEASE LMAO!! Any name suggestions for the show?😂😂😂
Robbin Dawsey it’s already. Named Lednikovy period
@@TheSkatingLesson Could you get Irina Slutskaya on? You seem able to get everyone and I am big fan of hers. Her English is pretty good too.
Robbin Dawsey hi, I’m Russian. Can you catch me up on the drama haha
1:50 Trusova's coach situation
3:00 Eteri
6:00 Rafael
7:00 back to Trusova
8:55 Rambo 70 girls this season
10:00 back to Trusova and father
12:15 Kostornaia vs Trusova
13:00 Training in Russia
14:03 Scores after leaving Rambo 70 and puberty
18:40 Hot Sergei
20:05 Daria Usacheva
22:00 Training with Eteri and russian skating culture
26:23 Tom Z
33:58 Track and field
34:55 back to Tom Z
35:30 Combining old rules and new ones
38:20 Russian drama being over the top
40:36 Presenting team Plushenko
41:47 Viktor Petrenko's 3 Axel
44:51 Ekaterina Ryabova
47:35 Skating coaches and money
49:40 Plushenko's wife
54:53 Daniil Samsonov
55:14 Fedotov brothers
55:50 other schools
56:30 Michail Kolyada
57:03 Skate canada webinar
Okay but now I want Trusova to have a classic Plushenko crazey feet step sequence! 😂😂😂
Those were never step sequences, those were arm sequences LOL!
...or the Plushenko "hip-swing" move from Vanbeaver 2010?
Omg i can't wait to see Plushenko's kiss n cry attire and antics.
gymerin 🔥🔥🔥🔥
"Like Kanye West, we made that b*tch famous!"
I just screamed laughing!🤣🤣🤣
A girl who never cuts her hair went from a sociopathic coach to a narcissist coach perfectly sums up the situation 👌🏻😂😂
Jenny Fung facts!!
I feel bad for Anna, because I can only assume how much pressure is going to be on her, as she's speculated to he the new no1 of team Tutberidze
@@hannibaljustincase9985 Nah, Anna is cool, she reminds me of mk at 16, she looks cute, sweet and vulnerable, but I think she,s made of sterner stuff. A beautiful, strong flower, a steel magnolia.
sounds like a teaser of an upcoming tolstoy russian novel in the post-death Tolstoy era
@@francemathieu3579 Hi France, pretty goog huh,lol. You know if she stands at the top of the podium at the big dance in beijing, maybe a story should be written about the beautiful ANYA.She really is super special, I think I said it before and i.,d say it again, I haven,t seen a skater with her abilities, solid jumps, gorgeous edges, beautiful choreography, wonderful interpretation, power, finesse, sophistication and control, and that all important X factor, star power. I haven,t seen a skater with her complete package since the great mk, the legendary Michelle Kwan, she is that special.
I love the fact that Raf has been enjoying your Russian drama videos, he is such a gift! I’m a bit sad the logistics of Trusova training with Raf are too complicated to become a reality, I would have loved to see that! At least we'll get epic Kiss and Cry moments with Hot Sergei and Plushenko as consolation.
Also, I was one of the other people in Viktor Petrenko’s jump class and within the first 20 minutes I was sweating my butt off beyond belief. He kicked my ass!!! I'm a little jealous you’re getting private lessons, Dave- I thought his instruction was really great.
Dave, thank you for always keeping it so real. Not everyone can handle the truth!
PS I think Trusova should pull a Jason Brown and finally cut her hair into a more sophisticated cut when she’s settled at her new rink lol
"Hot Sergei" kills me every time hahaha
Brook T 😘😘😘
Apparently Plushenko said Hot Sergei originally worked with Mishin.
I creeped him after this and have confirmed: hot Sergei is indeed hot. Product review = 5 stars. As advertised
He better deliver or he'll be homeless Sergei.
The constant updates are giving me whiplash I live for this series!!
So glad!
Bahahaha .... Tom Z really is special.... there are no other words 🤣
“He cannot be hitting the vodka and cigarettes like Danny G”
This episode was pure gold! Thanks guys ❤️💚💜💙
Who agrees 🔥Sergei should come on? Dave you can get it done.
Thank you very much Dave and Jonathan for keeping us up to date with the Russian situation!!
You're welcome!
Wonderful as always! Thank you so much for keeping This and That as a constant every week!
Totally agree with Jonathan on the singing motivation bursts btw - one week I’ll have learned almost a full song cycle and the next I’ve barely sung through one piece. Luckily I still have a video exam for my degree to work towards though!
"Bells of Moscow"... Mao... 😭😭😭
I laughed so hard at Dave’s comment about Eteri visiting the pyramids in Egypt for a new Cleopatra program 🤣
“...taking our skaters to 18th place...” 😂😂😂 dead Dave
Grisgris * 😘😘😘
🥰skating drama gossip on Mother’s Day ur the best Dave
When Dave said “he’s still lifting her by the hooha”, I knew this episode will be full of 🍵. But little did I know I would have to get two bags of 🍿 instead of one 🤷🏻♂️
Kevin Hsu 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Wish a i had a Russian source, would literally trade my family for the Russian gossip 😂😂😂
Kate Copley hahaha.
Deal! Can they plow?
This channel gives me life, I love it
LaR. ❤️❤️❤️
I hate quarantine so much. Quarantine is unhealthy because as I remain introspective....I also need to continue to focus on my personal wellness. I must be moving and focusing on building positivity no matter if it is my job, or personal activities.
Both of you have great hair throughout this COVID crisis! Thank you for another great video! Thank you! Thank you!
Speaking of Tom Z. I feel like Gabby Daleman should go to him. NOT because it would be successful. Something about it just feels right.
Gia Marren they both love social media
Omg I would LIVE and DIE for those awkward moments in the kiss and cry! 😅
Jon's hair is huge, and we are totally here for it. And love to your moms today. ; )
I really like trusova, her personality was my favorite of the 3, I wish she went to someone who would clean up those edges of hers
She is such a cute kid. They are all so talented as well.
Trusova is so cute like a living doll .which is why she is popular among women.
Any little girl wants a doll like sasha and any woman wants a daughter like a dolly
Evan Perilstein I do agree. There are a few problems there. I just hope Plushenko doesn’t deflate her further🧐🇦🇺
You DID make her famous!!!! I was googling that dude just based on your vids. Aaaaaand he is as appealing as you advertised. Come thru hot Sergei!!
Brian Brian he really is.
I've missed you both so much! Best Mother's Day gift ever!
Missed? We have been doing weekly shows!
If the judge panels do really give "Eteri bonus points", it'll be another tough deficit for Trusova to overcome (and I hope that's not the case but just postulation), but in any case, it was clear that things didn't progress the right way for Trusova in the Eteri camp, and a move was clearly needed.
Surely her new camp must have someone to work on artistry, edge-work and improving GOE on elements. That being said, I think her step sequence with that: super athletic backward bend spread eagle glide, should score *way* higher than it ever did -- I mean, come on, show me who else can do that move? IMHO it is far more impressive than some regular, boring spin.
Sure, compared to Aliona, Sasha's skating style looks much clumsier (by a lot), but I wouldn't say it quite as bad, nor put it down quite as much as I've heard/read, including here.
Trusova is still near the top in *exciting skating* even if it isn't as much "art" as, say, a bit more like "Diamond League" athletics.
I always felt like, well, they sort of tried to fit their limited brand of choreo to Trusova's athletic style, but were still at the end of the day trying to squeeze the skater into the mold of their brand rather than adapting to her strengths. She has a masculine style of skating and they just need to embrace that: she's never going to be an ice princess any more than Nathen Chen is going to morph into Yuzuru Hanyu.
@@iris7484 Agreed. I also think Trusova would benefit from a more high energy program and uptempo music. Apparently, she has already chosen something for a new program for the Plushenko camp. So, we'll see, eventually.
@@iris7484 I think Trusova would have been better with something like Alysa Liu sp (something fun/uplifting), she has charisma and personality, but her 2 programs last season were pretty terrible, and only highlighted even more her weakness.
I think if they want to re-package trusova, they could do worse than look to irina slutskya- very athletic style but a great Russian champion
@@evemhooper I would prefer a re-imagining (a euphemistic way to say: copy) of Ivett Toth from 2018 Olympics program, with AC/DC rock & leather. Right about right for Trusova.
For $hits&giggles, maybe use Slayer instead of something tame like AC/DC :D
...or since Sasha has trouble hanging with music even in Alexei's floor dance exercises, just go full Mayhem black metal!
My brother thinks that Trusova is going to work on her skating skills and get her components up now shes left. I think she's going to go full intense athlete and try and land 6 quads so it doesn't matter if she has no skating skills. We shall see 🤷♀️
First of all she Has skating skills. Second - this decision will bring her to unknown.
I don't think that will happen. Her skating skills will deteriorate even more me thinks...
@@efimkrivov I didn't say she had no skating skills, but they're obviously weaker than others in the field. I meant that if she lands 6 quads clean with + GOE and others are doing max 2-3 quads, mathematically she will beat everyone regardless of PCS.
@@Jontor11 yeah I agree. I also don't necessarily see her successfully landing a 6 quad program or anything, but I do see her working towards and attempting one so she doesn't work on PCS
@@shelleyc853 And that's her problem. She can do this and that quad (Dave - see what I did there), but she can't land them all cleanly in one program. The new +5/-5-system which included lower base value for quads has not been kind to Trusova. And we can see that she has obviously not been working on her spins either, besides the PCS. If you do the math, she wouldn't have beaten a clean Shcherbakova at GP Final, Russian Nationals, Europeans, if she had landed 4 quads. So in retrospect, she never was the winner that she (and most of us all) anticipated.
Dave, that was my point, if Trusova had got the deserved components back in the juniors, she wouldn’t have been delusional this first senior season. That was problem number 1. That’s what Eteti tried to make her work on, but Sasha thought she would have got away with 5 quads which only made it worse. I mean Eteri does not care who wins unless it’s one of her students.
Trusova's skating skills have greatly regressed since her junior debut. If you watch her earlier programs from her first junior season, she was nowhere near as sloppy.
Kelly Moran I think her skating skills progress a bit compared to her junior level but the two programs of the first senior season are very flaky and boring. Only jumps and awkward choreography, making her average skating skills look worse. Danill is to blame for this.
I am not ready for the boards! Ugh Russian test skates couldn’t be any sooner!!! I wonder what music/programs they will choose if they’re trying to elevate her, and if they will work with the loss of training.....
Most of the ice rinks in Texas are opening on Monday. It'll be interesting to see how this works out.
Loving all the drama while in quarantine 👌🏼😁
So excited for a new instalment!!!!!! You two are epic!
Enjoy!
Love the video! I wish Sasha happiness and health throughout her skating career! Dave - is their any way that you could re-upload the first 2 episodes of the "was yuna robbed" series? It's blocked in the USA :(
I am not sure if it is possible because of the IOC. I will try to figure out something, but it won't be able to show the clips for sure.
try downloading Opera browser and turning on the built-in VPN. It's worked for me on blocked streams and videos in the US.
Egypt fo Russians is very common winter vacation place like Caribbean for Americans
Did anything ever happen to Morgan Cipres after what went down with him and his female student?
It is still going on
TheSkatingLesson He’s still pursuing her?
@@ManuelPabloArnao it's still being investigated
There was this toddlers and tiaras episode with an Eastern European (Russian?) Mum who thought her daughter’s insanely long hair was going to win her all the prizes and the judges were like ‘WTF is this’ and that’s what Trusova reminds me of
31:14 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Also, Arthur running the zamboni. I’m dying. 😂😂😂😂
Drama overdose ! The bestest way for closing the weekend door ! Greetings from Istanbul .
Mersin Husnuoglu 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Well, hot Sergei is indeed hot 😂🔥
over the limit is the most horrific thing i have seen. its unbearable to me how they treat people
Trusova's problem is that she was a star too early. And that is not a good thing to do to a 13-year old. She thought that she was the biggest star ever and would rule seniors. It didn't happen. And we all know why. She just wasn't good enough. The new +5/-5-system effectively held her down. And her skating skills and PCS and spins? I feel sorry for the girl. She's been mislead.
There are lots of skaters who dominated juniors but didn't make it as seniors. Not saying that is Trusova. After all, she was never off the podium the whole season. But I don't think the star hype hurt her. Again, she did extremely well for someone in her first senior season. It's just that two other skaters did, too.
Love you both. I've decided to rename you David Dostoevsky and Jon Tolstoy.
I love it!!!
So good to see you! ❤️
You too!!
@@TheSkatingLesson ❤️❤️❤️
2002 Olympics was figure skating’s version of “The Last Dance.”
I am so disappointed with the social media posts of Cain (coach, not skater) and TomZ about the coronavirus. I don’t mind well thought out conservative ideas, even if I disagree with them quite strongly. But supporting this administration’s coronavirus messaging and leadership... it defies logic and makes me very, very sad.
Dave’s Russian accent kills me everytime😩 Thank you for keeping us informed about the reality TV show that is Russian figure skating :)
Maddie Shaw 😘😘😘
Do you really think Kostornaia is the favourite now, Eteri is never with her in the Kiss and Cry and she does not seem to like Sergei at all her body language is quite rigid and uncomfortable around them. I would say Scherbakova was Eteri's favourite - hugs etc where as with Kostornaia it's so awkward Im surprised she hasnt left
I think Kostornaia doesn't have the kind of pliable personality Eteri likes best, and it seems she will work hard for Eteri's respect but not her affection. I agree that Scherbakova is probably Eteri's favorite but business-wise, Kostornaia is a better bet.
Iris I totally agree.
Kostornaia is by far the best skater at the moment but I get the feeling listening to her interviews that she also has a realistic view of her future career. She is already looking forward to her next career after her skating is over. It’s clear that the standard of skating can not be maintained into womanhood. It’s just pure physics. Curvature and bone change in the pelvis just change the card deck.
re: practicing with masks... I know it would be incredibly difficult, but didn't Hanyu use to warm up with a mask to help strengthen his lungs because of his asthma? And I know in S Korea there are dancers who practice with masks as well. Maybe everyone could come back with increased lung capacity~
"We made that b*tch famous" LOL IT KILL ME
Justice for Elena Bechke! B&P's Romance is one of the greatest pair programs (albeit pro) of all time. Her daily ballet made a massive difference. Barb Underhill used to go on about how fit Elena was, and so could do moves no one else could do, pro or not.
1) Dennis lifting Stefan Lambiel in a "pairs exercise" in their ISU strength training video
2) re: traveling on a Russian passport I'm pretty sure most middle eastern countries have pretty open travel arrangements with russia, i know of people with non american passports who got into russia with no visa application at all.
Hello, love your show, just wonder if you have any news on where is Yuzuru right now? Is he working on his new program and what will we expect in this new coming season?
I would think skating with a mask is useless, i mean I would be more worried about everybody touching the boards when they have to blow their nose and then everybody touching their face to fix their mask.
Time stamps??
Yekaterina Petrovna Zamolodchikova is a very famous drag queen (Katya). Do you all know this?
Zach Schultz so, she actually combined two literary figures. But it is a great coincidence!
Watching this episode bit by bit. (It is Mother's Day, after all.) But just got to the part early on where you call me out. Thanks, I guess? 😂😂😂
On the topic of men in Sasha's life, can we take a step back and appreciate what an impressive power move this was by Sergei Rozanov? As of the beginning of this season, he was basically an unknown in the skating world. Then people started asking, "Who's that quiet guy overseeing Eteri's novices at competitions?" Thus, the Hot Sergei nickname was born.
And now, pretty much out of nowhere, he's positioned himself to be one of the most influential coaches in Russia, and thus all of skating. (I mean, we'll see who actually coaches Sasha and Veronika, but like you guys, I'm skeptical it's going to be Plushenko at the rink day in and day out.)
Here's a photo of Rozanov as a kid with two other powerful male coaching figures, Mishin and Raf...instagram.com/p/BCoEHq9ocFm. Makes you wonder whether he's been quietly taking notes and plotting this all along? 😊
Alex My dude, I just hit “Read more” and there was like 1000 word count, so like, they’re not wrong....?
@@Xosidhe Ha. Guilty as charged, Stevie.
It is a true 'TLDR' moment
I'm still waiting to see if your premonition was right about Alina and Danny G. I agreed with you on this in December.
@@СветикСемицветик-ц4д what premonition? I'm curious
That Tom Z roast though. 🤣
goldburnm you know you agreed.
@@TheSkatingLesson Do think Tom Z watched the episode because he hoped you would mention him?
I mean, I wouldn't know his name if it weren't for the Skating Lesson.
@TheSkatingLesson
Let's see if you can guess who these two skaters are, and which competition:
Skater #1
Narrowly lost out to skater #2.
Skater #1 has quads and trips, but the choreo and artistry are much weaker than skater #2. The same is true about PCS and GOE of elements. Particularly as several of the difficult jumps had glaring issues. Furthermore, spins are slow and weak as are step sequences, although there was one pretty good step sequence.
Skater #2
Does not have a single quad, but the trip jumps are well executed with high GOE, as is the rest of the program, with very nice choreo and smooth stepwork, good spins. Overall, great artistic program, even if lacking any quads.
Answer:
Well, it's actually a trick question because there are four skaters, two battle pairs which are:
Skater #1 Evgeni Plushenko
Skater #2 Evan Lysacek
at Vancouver Olympics 2010
Skater #1 Alexandra Trusova
Skater #2 Aliona Kostornaia
at every senior contest
The same description applies to both pairs.
Now, given that both Plushenko and Trusova are basically jumping beans, I think it's a perfect match -- if only Plushenko can get someone else to do the choreo and artistic work for Trusova rather than himself or his vision, if it doesn't include better choreo than his own or Trusova's recent programs. As for athletic jumping, he has to be the rigght guy to understand both: how that is what Trusova is all about, and how: both he and she have lost comps narrowly due to having not much more in the program.
TLDR, we just judged the 2010 Olympics. We both had Plushenko fourth.
@@TheSkatingLesson The extremely abridged "Cliff Notes" version:
Plushenko=Trusova
First of all, love the Russian accents. And the shade 😁
I wonder if Medvedeva continuing may be a sensible thing. True, she is very unlikely to win at Europeans or Worlds. But she keeps her name out there for a few more years and gets Nike and other opportunities that perhaps are more likely to disappear when you stop competing. So it's competing to keep up her profile and endorsements rather than competing for medals?
I guess sensible to her and sensible to everyone else are probably two different things. If she did the "sensible" thing and retired last year, she would always wonder if she could have done more. Right now I feel like she is living her best life by her own standards and can live with "failing" as long as she did everything she could.
Her main target is Beijing 2022, that's why she came to Orser. She know she won't make it with Eteri. Orser willing to help her but he state that, it didn't mean she would win every competition along the way to the Olympics. She have to trust their system and take it step by step... and now, we can see that she still make it to the podium.
I hope Zagitova would dare to make big decision for her career too.
not a fan of fake Russian accents, but onto: Medvedeva, who has such great talent, it would (will?) be sad to see her miss the next Olympics, but let's be real: 3 spots to RU single ladies. So=Valieva, Kostornaia plus one. Which one? Scherbakova, Trusova, Zagitova, Medvedeva, Usacheva, and so many others? I say Trusova, but also want to see Anna get a chance but with current IOC rule no go. So Medvedeva? Zagitova? Old skool news... sorry time is over unless they sign up w/ a new flag.
"Hit the vodka and the cigarettes" LOL
ANTONINA truth!
"western skater=artistic with edge quality", love it
I didn’t think we would see a coaching staff more self righteous than Eteri and her associates......then Plushenko and Rudkovskaya started a coaching school. 😆
My skin is clear, mental health optimal am quaking thanks to the russian tea
Hahaha! Like the peeing section in the pool! Made my day,thanks!
52:38 Real talk-Sasha Plushenko is no Vadim Voroniv. He makes no progress year after year and just skitters around on his blades like he can’t use the muscles in the bottom of his feet to feel the ice. Milk the shows while you can, kid!
agreed, but least he has time [if he wanted to, the kid doesnt give a fuck about skating] to fix such things.
100%
Angel It’s obvious he only wants his dad’s approval, while Voronov wants to become and then beat his idol
On the other he is only 7 years old, and can do some doubles ...
Zadie Smith Kids aged 3-7, when you give them real lessons, are little sponges and any kid that age could manage that if they had all that training. They’re primed to learn and you just have to put in the work. His flexibility is amazing, but also a little sad to see his dad pushing him into a position while he’s whining and crying about it. He doesn’t have any passion or real skills other than doing moves he’s been told to do, so being able to do doubles because he’s been trained up to that point but looking like Bambi on ice is like 15 year olds doing quads but having no edges or artistry-it’s just trained through hard work and repetition. If you watch his Instagram, he actually has a personality when he’s playing with his puppy or showing the camera plants in his garden, but he’s totally robotic on ice. So we’ll see, but it just doesn’t look like skating is something he loves.
If only Eteri used her wounded pride like Yao Bin did.
Even when Dani G picks the right music (like Peer Gynt for Trusuva) his choreo screws it up.
Trump spends all of his time on Twitter & DOES randomly retweet regular people's posts. Sadly, this has encouraged so many of his fans to try to get his attention for that retweet!
Where are you guys judging these competitions?? Link?
patreon.com/theskatinglesson
I honestly wish we had figure skating coaching drama here in the states like it is in Russia, because it’s so much fun to read about these Russian figure skating dramas.
Can we please have this Uncle Alex on the show at some point?
And I know you gave your Russian source a codename, but I have a theory that it’s one of Eteri’s former students, like Yulia Lipnitskaya or Polina Shelepen
EB18 just so I’m clear, are we talking about Kerrigan-Harding scandal or the 2014 Olympic selection scandal, where Mirai Nagasu wasn’t picked to represent the US at Sochi? Or some other scandal that I haven’t read about. I know there was some controversy surrounding the pair skater John Coughlin before his passing.
OMG so are Stephane Lambiel and Deniss Vasjiljev a couple? I really did wonder as I was getting a vibe from them in the C&C
When? 🤔🤔🤔
Please no! Don’t let it be true! Hasn’t Lambiel known Deniss since Deniss was 16??
no there are not; definitely not; and I thought I heard some gossips of Steph having a long-time boyfriend outside the skating community or something? (only gossips thou lol
@@lucylyu2573 honestly I always thought Steph was dating his manager Chris Trevisan. I can see where other people see the Deniss/Steph thing, but I don't believe they have ever been, or will ever be a couple.
I’m shocked people actually don’t think they’re the real life Yuri on Ice 😂
Not sure if it's related but Yekaterina Petrovna Zamolodchikova is the full drag name of Katya from Drag Race haha
It isn't, but it is a delightful coincidence.
Oh I loooooove Anna Rechnio x
I still think she was robbed at 98' worlds
I got to take lessons from her when she lived in the US. She is soooo nice!
I saw your last video and I still don't understand the baby stealing part lol. Please, someone explain this to me.
Vero A from what I gather, she was already involved or maybe even married to her husband when his ex wife gave birth. Maybe step parents have more custody rights over there? I don’t know but it’s all very interesting!
It would be interesting to hear your take on all of the different classes skaters are offering but your schedule seems too packed as it is without adding that to the mix.
Sarah Moellenberg i will try my best! It would help if JB would join in the fun!
@@TheSkatingLesson I hope JB joins in! My flexeril rx and I will cheer you both on.
Telling a teenager to go have babies is TOTALLY wrong...no right about it....
unfortunately it is right, russian population is declining.
Russian also get married and have kids in their early twenties, it's a cultural difference ( see all the gymnasts /rhythmic gymnasts get married and get pregnant almost immediately after retiring). It sounds super inappropriate for us, but I think it basically means "go on with the adult life and find other goals/purposes".
I need a Plushenko mullet now👍😜
Eteri is pure evil. How manh skaters does she have to injure before someone does something? Yulia, evgenia, sherbakova, zagitova. All injured by backloading and jumping with poor technique. Its insane.
AND eating disorders. Julia admitted and diagnosed, Medvedeva all but - first thing she did after leaving though was go to a nutritionist. She also talked a lot about learning to accept her body and care for it
Who do you think Eteri’s second favourite skater is: Yagudin or Lysachek? 😂
Love it
Let's ask Ted.
actually Deniss doesn't live with Lambiel anymore! i mean he's already grown up so yeah... that's natural...
You two the best!
Slutskaya was robbed in 2002!
This was really interesting, though strange. There are things going on that just prove how human skaters are. It's too bad they're more discreet. Anyhow, when are you guys going to critique another Stephane Lambiel program. Poeta was so wonderful. I look forward to it as soon as you can find the time. Meanwhile, I hope this drama simmers down pretty soon.
What is with the flowers???
No I mean... What's the connection of Plushenko and flowers?
I've always been getting your humor, Dave. Just so you know.
Actually, in her book, Peggy talked about how she was less than thrilled at first to work with Dick because she felt he didn't like her skating back when she was competitive, apparently he never said anything nice when he was commentating it. When she finally confronted him about it he was like "Why would you think that? I've always loved your skating!".
He clearly loved Madame Peggy! Skaters are interesting. They will hear one criticism and forget all of the positive things you ever said about them.
@@TheSkatingLesson Actually, in her case it was her mom (of course) who "planted the seeds of distrust" about Dick in her when Peggy was 16. It was decades later she finally let that go.
Quantity over quality.. and that's putting it mildly
Great talk guys. I believe Shawn Johnson would've won if the Olys had been n 2007 and not 2008.
Well yes, she did win Worlds 2007 AA. Others peaked at the most important event: Yang Yilin, Jiang Yuyuang (if not for her elbow injury right before Beijing, she would have been the front runner), and Nastia, while Shawn was more hanging on by the Olympics.
Stephanie Senerchia Yes, Nastia Liukin was injured much of 2007. If both of them were at their peaks at the same time, and both went 4 for 4...well, I think it would have been really, REALLY close. Loved them both for different reasons. ❤️
All I want to do is say something so weird and untoward that I get a mention in one of these! Lol jk, but don’t encourage us!😂😊😅
Hahaha
6:20 I LOVE IT
Love and validation to the both of you, and of course a standing O for Dave’s Russian accent ❤️oh and just speaking for myself (and yes I’ve copped the OMG your body alone is grounds for disqualification comments so this is an informed opinion here 😉), the way correct to phrase “I hate your physique” is “Have you and your gross body ever considered retiring in style on my billionaire husband’s dime? Because that apartment is yours for a mere bouquet of flowers....NICE flowers” 💐 Jonathan, Devers had the nails & fell, but FloJo was like, more makeup, long hair & unitard? But if we combine the tutu with the nails and some hurdles, we oughta be in for as many falls as a splattfest of a skate so I’d watch that! ☺️
I think Saha Trusova was in Hurghada in the Red Sea Region (Egypt). She likes beach vacations
It's pronounced Whit- LEE. Also... nothing CAN be 227.
Brian Brian I was right!!!
Is Medvedeva still in Japan?
What did the article that was taken down about Eteri's training method's say? Link?
Lifting her up by the who ha!! 😂😂😂
I wouldn’t feel sad if Usacheva or Samsonov left because for me they don’t have the IT factor whereas Khromtyh and Kolesnikov do
If you think Khromykh has IT factor, we may need to buy you glasses. Perhaps we can do a a gofundme. Kolesnikov is the latest supposed transfer.
Whitley
Yes!!!
and a happy Mother's day to yekaterina Petrovna b/c she out here givin' birth to some of that good Russian T!
Ekaterina Petrovna Zamolodchikova is her full name but just call her Katya
Trusova code name is a drag queen !? They should just have her go back to the killbill esque soundtrack