I’ve really found your Rebel v4 videos to be helpful. Just ordered a pair to use for an up tempo daily trainer. Would love to try the Mach 6, but at 15 EE my options are super limited. Shout out to New Balance for catering to the flipper-footed runners. Hard to find much beyond max cushion daily trainers elsewhere
Best comparison Rebel v4 x Mach 6 so far in YT! And Hoka really must do its duty as for sizing quality... 😧 Wouldn't Rebel v4 remind more towards Speed 3 (stable and tamed)?
Super helpful information and your comparison of the Mach 6 foam to the old Fuel Cell really puts it in context. I wonder if the white pair were just mislabeled. Maybe they're a 9.5 or 10.0. I'm still probably saving myself for the Specter 2 but maybe later on one of these. When you dropped the Rebel v4, it was noticeable how rockered it is. However, the soft, flexible nature of the shoe probably makes it less noticeable. That's probably why you noticed it more in the Mach 5 as well; that bottom layer creates a stiffness that accentuates the rocker. I notice the same in the Hyperion Max because of the stiff, firm midsole.
I got two pair of Supernova Rise, one made in China (i got it early in dec) and one made in Indonesia. The China made one is 25 grams lighter.. Adidas usually have fantastic QC.
The comparison we've all been waiting for! I just got the Rebel V4 in but unfortunately they don't work for my flat, low arch feet. There is a very noticeable bump in the arch (I think caused by the extended sidewall) that I know from previous experience will blister. Does the Mach 6 have a noticeable arch bump the same as the rebel?
I just picked up a pair today (rebel v4) and noticed the exact same issue! May try to put a thicker insole from the triumph into the shoe to see if it helps.
You’re awesome for comparing these two shoes. And a note on heel striking, usually contacting with your heel doesn’t mean you’re absorbing the impact, you’re rocking from your heel and absorbing impact with your entire foot, so it’s actually healthier than trying to run almost on your toes
I watched the full video 📹 u posted here. I don't think these 2 shoes can be compared anymore, unlike the Mach 5, which was one of Hokas best. The Mach 5 to Mach 6 with the increase of a full 8mm are totally different shoes. The Rebel V4 is the true replacement for the Mach 5 and I have a pair now. They are brilliant. From everything you have said here I don't like the Mach 6 and after what Hoka have done destroying the Mach 5 which was one of their best selling shoes and a favourite with a mass following, they have lost my business and I've moved over to New Balance. I am ordering a 2nd pair of V4. If I were you, I would send the white Mach 6 back, not only because Hoka have become so amateur they can't get the sizing right within the same shoe model (what a joke 😅 ), but because with your toes pressed against the front/top like that, you could get "black toe" which is very unsightly and hard the get rid of. It occurs when the capillaries in your nail bed burst with the constant rubbing and pressure on the nail against its bed rupturing the capillaries. The blood then escapes under the nail giving it that black appearance when the blood dries. The whole process is exacerbated when your feet swell when running/exercising. This is Hokas incompetence and you shouldn't have to wear and bare that cost. Thanks for the review. Good job.
Took my Hoka Mach 6 and ran 21.2 km on it straight out of the box and it was a good run. I had to move up half a size for this one. I'm a US 10.5D in my Hoka Mach 5 and I have a US 11.0D for this one. I loved the run on it and I even beat my 21.0 km PB by 2 seconds. The foam is adequately responsive for me. I also fitted the Rebel v4. It's a good shoe but not for me. I'd recommend the Rebel v4 for those runners with wider feet as its toe box felt really roomy for me.
I think it depends on what your wants/needs are. I have the NB4 and have found it to be an excellent shoe. But they both look like great shoes. So many great shoes right now.
I would like to see more reviews of the Vongo v6 and if it is good or not. The weakness of it seems weight ( about the same of a Gel-Kayano 30 !) and it has the same look and stack height of the 1080 v13 .
Random question, but any chance you could do a video on the Fuelcell Pvlse? I know it hasn't been widely publicized like the other NB models coming out, but I feel like it'll be a good daily trainer for those of us that like less stack height. Great comparison video btw, I think these two are probably the most comparable versatile daily trainers as of now (with the exception of previous models).
The biggest issue I have is that I tore my left ACL when I was 15 and never went through proper PT while being a power lifter. What ended up happening is my right foot became the weight bearing foot and widened out just slightly. So my left foot is normal width, right foot is between normal and 2E. So things like the Rebel and Mach 6 fit weird on my right foot. Like the Rebel has this weird stability ribbon on the forefoot that causes my right foot to cramp because of where it puts pressure, even in the wide. It's just weird.
i wish the rebel v4 had worked for me (tried them out for a week) but after trying out the endorphin speed 3 for 8 miles i got TERRIBLEEE shin splints & the only thing i can run in double digit miles without shin splint pain are the hoka mach 6’s. I LOVE the feel & the cushion. Can’t recommend them enough. Maybe once my shin splints go away i’ll try the rebel v4 again. Also, NOTHING hugs my heel like a hoka mach, insane.
I tried a half size up in the Mach 6 and it was workable, but clearly long. Most testers have said TTS for the 6 but it's a narrow shoe, so it probably would have been better to go for a wide.
I think no one is saying it but... Doesn't remind you the midsole of the Mach 6 to the Saucony Tempus? For real, it looks identical, with the PB and the other Eva foam surrounding it.
I run in the triumph 20 and love it! You mentioned the mach feels similar, so I’m interested. Would the Mach just feel a little speedier ? More of a daily trainer instead of a max cushion
You need a caliper tool for measuring stack heights. Reporting numbers from brands does not make much sense when you are comparing shoes from different manufacturers
Where I live they only offer the Mach 6 in wide fitting. I'm a US10 and it seems slightly wider than my standard Mach 5 or the Novablast. I checked the weight and I also have a 10g difference between left and right. The Mach 6 seems a lot more stable than my Speed 2s, but I haven't done 30 miles yet!
@@Trabaskuy Your head would say Novablast, your heart Mach 6. Novablast is your steady friend, a bit boring but reliable. Mach 6 is more exciting, but perhaps not quite such a good fit. Personally, I sold the Novoblast and stuck with the Mach 6, but then I have other shoes in my rotation.
Once again, great video! Do you like the Rebel v4 better than the Novablast 4? I wonder which shoe would last longer. I was able to get almost 400 miles on the Novablast 3.
Still working my way to 100 miles on the novablast - hoping to get a comparison workout in with the novablast and rebel at some point soon so stay tuned. I've had really good luck with new balance durability in past 4 but the novablast foam is firmer - and I tend to get more miles out of firmer foam
At the same time 400 miles (640km) does not sound like a lot. 700-800km is just right for most modern shoes. What's even more amusing is when you hear about 300 miles in a shoe like a durability achievement, not mentioning even earlier retirement, which sounds downright wasteful.
SPOT ON REVEW. Imo, Mach 6 lost its pizazz. The Mach 4 and 5 were awesome and as stated, suuper versatile but sadly the sizing, styling and feel of the 6 have me shifting in a new direction. Just ordered the Rebel V4s and hoping for the best. The Mach 6 is wildly tight for tor the same size compared to its predecessor.
I wish the Mach 6 fit like the rebel v4. I sized up a half size in Mach 6 and it seems fine. Still a bit narrow but wide gives me heel slip. Mach 6 has sooooo much bounce and roll. I’m in love with it.
Not a fan of the current trend of crazy stack heights. We’ll soon be expected to run in Frankenstein boots and consider it totally normal. It’s ridiculous.
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The sizing of the Hoka Mach 6s is wild. Thank you for that bit of info!
I’ve really found your Rebel v4 videos to be helpful. Just ordered a pair to use for an up tempo daily trainer. Would love to try the Mach 6, but at 15 EE my options are super limited. Shout out to New Balance for catering to the flipper-footed runners. Hard to find much beyond max cushion daily trainers elsewhere
Amazing comprehensive comparison. Best one on TH-cam!
🙌🏽 thank you!
I was in Charlotte this morning.The weather was indeed prefect for running but I had a flight to catch.
The epic react was such a good shoe it’s great to hear somethings similar
Wild to see the difference in the same pair of shoes… quality control guy needs to tighten up!!
Yeahh i want to try novablast rebel v4
Best comparison Rebel v4 x Mach 6 so far in YT! And Hoka really must do its duty as for sizing quality... 😧
Wouldn't Rebel v4 remind more towards Speed 3 (stable and tamed)?
Thank you! And speed 3 is a little bouncier and more cushioned than the rebel v4 but both have good stability
Super helpful information and your comparison of the Mach 6 foam to the old Fuel Cell really puts it in context. I wonder if the white pair were just mislabeled. Maybe they're a 9.5 or 10.0. I'm still probably saving myself for the Specter 2 but maybe later on one of these.
When you dropped the Rebel v4, it was noticeable how rockered it is. However, the soft, flexible nature of the shoe probably makes it less noticeable. That's probably why you noticed it more in the Mach 5 as well; that bottom layer creates a stiffness that accentuates the rocker. I notice the same in the Hyperion Max because of the stiff, firm midsole.
Great point - the flexibility really is the main thing I get out of the ride
I got two pair of Supernova Rise, one made in China (i got it early in dec) and one made in Indonesia. The China made one is 25 grams lighter.. Adidas usually have fantastic QC.
The comparison we've all been waiting for! I just got the Rebel V4 in but unfortunately they don't work for my flat, low arch feet. There is a very noticeable bump in the arch (I think caused by the extended sidewall) that I know from previous experience will blister. Does the Mach 6 have a noticeable arch bump the same as the rebel?
I just picked up a pair today (rebel v4) and noticed the exact same issue! May try to put a thicker insole from the triumph into the shoe to see if it helps.
Oh no! Guess I’ll stick with my Mach 5’s.
Oh that's sucks, I also have flat feet. Did you try a wide?
Picked up a pair 2day, noticed the arch as well , hoping it won't bother me when running in them we will see ??
I have the same flat low arch feet. I got the wide and it fits great for me. If you didn’t get the wide width I could suggest trying it.
You’re awesome for comparing these two shoes. And a note on heel striking, usually contacting with your heel doesn’t mean you’re absorbing the impact, you’re rocking from your heel and absorbing impact with your entire foot, so it’s actually healthier than trying to run almost on your toes
I watched the full video 📹 u posted here. I don't think these 2 shoes can be compared anymore, unlike the Mach 5, which was one of Hokas best.
The Mach 5 to Mach 6 with the increase of a full 8mm are totally different shoes. The Rebel V4 is the true replacement for the Mach 5 and I have a pair now. They are brilliant. From everything you have said here I don't like the Mach 6 and after what Hoka have done destroying the Mach 5 which was one of their best selling shoes and a favourite with a mass following, they have lost my business and I've moved over to New Balance. I am ordering a 2nd pair of V4.
If I were you, I would send the white Mach 6 back, not only because Hoka have become so amateur they can't get the sizing right within the same shoe model (what a joke 😅 ), but because with your toes pressed against the front/top like that, you could get "black toe" which is very unsightly and hard the get rid of. It occurs when the capillaries in your nail bed burst with the constant rubbing and pressure on the nail against its bed rupturing the capillaries. The blood then escapes under the nail giving it that black appearance when the blood dries. The whole process is exacerbated when your feet swell when running/exercising. This is Hokas incompetence and you shouldn't have to wear and bare that cost.
Thanks for the review. Good job.
Took my Hoka Mach 6 and ran 21.2 km on it straight out of the box and it was a good run. I had to move up half a size for this one. I'm a US 10.5D in my Hoka Mach 5 and I have a US 11.0D for this one. I loved the run on it and I even beat my 21.0 km PB by 2 seconds. The foam is adequately responsive for me.
I also fitted the Rebel v4. It's a good shoe but not for me. I'd recommend the Rebel v4 for those runners with wider feet as its toe box felt really roomy for me.
Interesting. Other reviewers have said the Mach 6 is slightly more stable than the 5. Going to try a pair this afternoon to see how it feels.
Yes please! We need a 200 mile and 300 mile review for the rebelv4. We need wear test
Novablast 4 vs Mach 6? Which is all around better, and why?
I think it depends on what your wants/needs are. I have the NB4 and have found it to be an excellent shoe. But they both look like great shoes.
So many great shoes right now.
Wow the QC is really bad! Weighing both left and right as you do gives already a good impression... NB and Asics seem to be spot on in that regards.
Novablast rebel v4…say you have too many shoes without saying it😂
Rebel v4 with that Tesla Cybertruck look.
😂 so on point
These videos are longer and longer, makes my run longer than ever😂
Hahaha I love it
I would like to see more reviews of the Vongo v6 and if it is good or not. The weakness of it seems weight ( about the same of a Gel-Kayano 30 !) and it has the same look and stack height of the 1080 v13 .
Awesome I'll add the Vongo to the list
Random question, but any chance you could do a video on the Fuelcell Pvlse? I know it hasn't been widely publicized like the other NB models coming out, but I feel like it'll be a good daily trainer for those of us that like less stack height. Great comparison video btw, I think these two are probably the most comparable versatile daily trainers as of now (with the exception of previous models).
The biggest issue I have is that I tore my left ACL when I was 15 and never went through proper PT while being a power lifter. What ended up happening is my right foot became the weight bearing foot and widened out just slightly. So my left foot is normal width, right foot is between normal and 2E. So things like the Rebel and Mach 6 fit weird on my right foot. Like the Rebel has this weird stability ribbon on the forefoot that causes my right foot to cramp because of where it puts pressure, even in the wide. It's just weird.
i wish the rebel v4 had worked for me (tried them out for a week) but after trying out the endorphin speed 3 for 8 miles i got TERRIBLEEE shin splints & the only thing i can run in double digit miles without shin splint pain are the hoka mach 6’s. I LOVE the feel & the cushion. Can’t recommend them enough. Maybe once my shin splints go away i’ll try the rebel v4 again. Also, NOTHING hugs my heel like a hoka mach, insane.
I tried a half size up in the Mach 6 and it was workable, but clearly long. Most testers have said TTS for the 6 but it's a narrow shoe, so it probably would have been better to go for a wide.
I think no one is saying it but... Doesn't remind you the midsole of the Mach 6 to the Saucony Tempus? For real, it looks identical, with the PB and the other Eva foam surrounding it.
Wow that's a great comparison - I didn't think of that but you're spot on
Mach 6 vs nova blast 4 please.
I got you
I run in the triumph 20 and love it! You mentioned the mach feels similar, so I’m interested. Would the Mach just feel a little speedier ? More of a daily trainer instead of a max cushion
Yeah exactly - Mach feels lighter and faster. Also a bit more bounce to it than than the triumph
You need a caliper tool for measuring stack heights. Reporting numbers from brands does not make much sense when you are comparing shoes from different manufacturers
I use running warehouse's numbers - they do all measurement in house to standardize it
Please do the 200 mile review of the Mach 6.
Where I live they only offer the Mach 6 in wide fitting. I'm a US10 and it seems slightly wider than my standard Mach 5 or the Novablast. I checked the weight and I also have a 10g difference between left and right. The Mach 6 seems a lot more stable than my Speed 2s, but I haven't done 30 miles yet!
Would you recommend novablast vs mach 6?
@@Trabaskuy Your head would say Novablast, your heart Mach 6. Novablast is your steady friend, a bit boring but reliable. Mach 6 is more exciting, but perhaps not quite such a good fit. Personally, I sold the Novoblast and stuck with the Mach 6, but then I have other shoes in my rotation.
Once again, great video! Do you like the Rebel v4 better than the Novablast 4? I wonder which shoe would last longer. I was able to get almost 400 miles on the Novablast 3.
Still working my way to 100 miles on the novablast - hoping to get a comparison workout in with the novablast and rebel at some point soon so stay tuned. I've had really good luck with new balance durability in past 4 but the novablast foam is firmer - and I tend to get more miles out of firmer foam
At the same time 400 miles (640km) does not sound like a lot. 700-800km is just right for most modern shoes. What's even more amusing is when you hear about 300 miles in a shoe like a durability achievement, not mentioning even earlier retirement, which sounds downright wasteful.
Great comparison! How bout mach 6 vs end Speed 4?
SPOT ON REVEW. Imo, Mach 6 lost its pizazz. The Mach 4 and 5 were awesome and as stated, suuper versatile but sadly the sizing, styling and feel of the 6 have me shifting in a new direction. Just ordered the Rebel V4s and hoping for the best. The Mach 6 is wildly tight for tor the same size compared to its predecessor.
I wish the Mach 6 fit like the rebel v4. I sized up a half size in Mach 6 and it seems fine. Still a bit narrow but wide gives me heel slip.
Mach 6 has sooooo much bounce and roll. I’m in love with it.
So how does the Mach 6 wide fit? I typically go for wides and I know NB has more volume in their uppers typically
@@mississippimotoman I have the wide fitting, and it seems very similar to my standard width Mach 5 or Novablast 4
@@st4331 hmm.. so it is that narrow ?
@@mississippimotoman No, I have slightly wide feet and there is a nice amount of room.
Would you recomnend the mach 6 for a first marathon? Goal is ard 4 - 4 1/2 hrs, really dont want a plated shoe
Still love Rebel v3
I used to wear Hokas, but now they all seem too tight. Even the wide version of the Clifton 9s hurt my toes.
Is the white pair women’s shoes?
No I checked for that too and they are both men's
@@supwellYea, on the Hoka site the women’s white has a blue outsole
I got the Rebel v4 but it seemed really cheaply/poorly constructed. Sent them back.
Not a fan of the current trend of crazy stack heights. We’ll soon be expected to run in Frankenstein boots and consider it totally normal. It’s ridiculous.
Rebel v4 is a great option if you want something fun that's not overly stacked. Another good one I've got a few miles in is Topo Cyclone 2
Is the EU size the same?
Bro?? You got the pacer coming in????
Huh?
Sc pacer v2 should be dropping later this year and will def test it once it's out 💪🏽
Nice!! Looking forward to that!! Ima little early 😅
You dirty heel striker!!!
😂
How To Buy A Mach 6:
Purchase two different colorways of the same sizes
What’s up with these long videos recently?
Hoka why so ugly? Competing with Brooks for worst colorways in the biz.