J Krishnamurti - The Real Revolution - 8. The end of conflict
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J Krishnamurti - The Real Revolution - 8. The end of conflict
Why are we discontented, and with what? Being discontented with what is, we develop the idea of what should be. There is conflict between what is and what should be.
The centre in consciousness, the observer, creates a space around itself which is always limited. The center is the accumulation of knowledge and experience. There is no freedom in that space.
Can the mind be intensely alert without experience? Such a mind is the religious mind.
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Such an authetic human being who is being honest to himself and everything around him.
Krishnamurti has my total interest and Attention . Will there ever be another Genius Like HIM?
'You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free' ✌️❤️✌️
Yay great K was so honest such authentic such bla. Look at what we are living in every day. Nothing has changed. Instead of doing the same, he is idolized as if he were special in some way. He's just saying what's true when most everybody else is lying to themselves and too afraid to say what's what while living in the same shit way that is the established colossal failure of humanity.
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A Beautiful face at 02:55 .😍
Deberían mostrar sus enseñanzas en las escuelas, pero no interesa al estado.
Para eso se necesitaría iluminados como k sería como ciegos guiando a ciegos.Si ni siquiera él pudo cambiar a nadie( él lo dijo) imaginate profesores normales y corrientes.
All I see is only one thing.
1. The observer had created what was in its memory through past experiences.
1. The observer creates “what is” being observed presently using stored memory.
1. The observer also creates what should be and what it is seeking using its memory.
1. The observer itself is a static image derived from various past memorized experiences.
2. There is no such entity that exists separately apart from this entire stored memory including the body, mind, brain mechanism that may be able to modify, control or change itself gradually over time. By creating time the action is postponed. When this division between the what is present and what should be in the future ends that is the End of all conflict!! Then It is clearly seen that all changes can happen only presently in the now or in the future in the then now.
The observer is the observed. There really is no "observer". We are conditioned to think there is. There is just thought.
Wouldn't in the future now be creating time again? Starting the process over ?
All time is now maybe ? Forgive me im a layman.
No observer no time
For everything to end, the psychological time should end. The observer which is a thought is offspring of Time. When the observer ceases, there is direct perception of reality without duality.
Simply put: All thought, up to this point in time, is conditioned. Therefore not original or fresh, for this moment. And, this moment is all there really is. To be able to detach one's self from all of the conditioning of the mind can't be done with the mind. The essence of who you are, is not thought. To look without judgment, to perceive this moment without thought, is freedom for the mind made illusion that you call, me. Pure, thoughtless awareness. The essence of life.
Easy to understand but very difficult to practice that kind of thoughtless awareness!
@@jochananberohart3578 to practice that, you need to love, have compassion and know what true peace is
@@SorrySonny very true, completely agree!!
KRISHNAMURTI IS THE MAN. WE LOVE K. STAY FREE MY FRIENDS.
K was a man,who did not want to be put in the pedestal and be praised. He understood how the mind work's,he knew that he was also susceptible to the game's of the mind. K, wanted everyone to expirence for themselves what he was saying and not merely listen to him. I have been on this path seeking,understanding philosophy and no one has spoken so precisely as k. Yet, the basic idea of k's teaching's is to forget whatever he has said and to find out for yourself, contradiction! Sometimes we listen just for intellectual stimilus rather than to stop seeking.Thank you for uploading from my deepest self. This series has left an impression on me that has stirred up the way I think and percieve life. Thank you!
You seem to know more about his state than him.he did not wanted to be put on a pedestal because than people will take whatever he is saying as dogma.
I love him... it's a pity he is no longer with us ... but his teaching will always be with us..
Is this pity outcome of what should be.
Agreed 👍
Why pity....
He has another incarnation for sure.
He you me and everyone is just an illusion.
The centre is memory. Keep this truth, observe it .you will find you don't exist at all.
JK was a man who was centuries ahead of his times!
a merewitness hopefully not millenniae..
this being was simply in the now. No person. Timeless, unborn.
Truth is the most ancient of all.. from that point of view he is the most ancient of all.. way too back and ancient
you think we will be mentally different in centuries when we have been same since time began
K is like a father for whole world
Great complete clarity. Everlasting thus ending of what is and the observer.
I wonder how many understood him during his lifetime.
Can his message be understood? Or can there be only fleeting glimpses of direct seeing - which itself is not understanding?
3:50 look at that boy
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guruvadiye saranam.. we eliminate whole conflict between what is and what shud be by ending the observer ... thus observed also ends ... this i suppose is ending of karma through gnana . can the mind b intensly alert without experience or stimuli .. as whatever memory( created by experience )"has a space " with in a space ..creates a fixedness or regidity in soul
5:04 we invent god
18:12 no observer no what is
23:23 a state with no experience
His words are equally Fire balls, be ready to have insights of our own mind through his words .
ultimate wisdom ..true love springs from him ❤.
Jk also struggling to put that state in words. Thats the biggest secret of humankind
It’s been a great day. Thank you for everything
People listen to him without understanding a thing because they are living on the surface of consciousness. Before they even get to contemplating what he means, they are too focused on trying to evaluate the words on the surface level.
OUT of Thought 🍥 #JustBeing 💙🔆
Noticed the Prince William look-alike, always sitting in the front rows.. he did attend all teachings of this series 🤩
I think this should be the last video i searched
天啊 老師已經 毫無保留的教給所有人 深入內在 的技巧了......
INCOMPARABLE HUMAN BEING
K. Is the man!
For over 50 years Krishnamurti had spoken seriously and earnestly of the truth that he found. Yet I haven't heard of anyone who realizes that truth, the so called enlightenment, listening to him. In contrast, thousands of Buddhist monks reportedly achieved enlightenment during the time of Buddha. So is there a flaw in Krishnamurti's message or approach? Or is it just a sign of the time since I haven't seen or heard of any monk who has achieved enlightenment in modern time either! The observer is not the observed. In total attention, with the center dissolved, the observer is no more. When the river joins the sea, the river's identity no longer exists.
When the person (the ego) dies psychologically due to unbearable suffering, only the realisation remains. It is this infinite freedom that is spoken of. Enlightenment can come suddenly without even having heard of it.
Even without being near a being that has recognized itself. So it happened here on 12/11/2018. Even the voice and the eyes have changed. ✨♥️
How do you know lots of buddhist monks achieved enlightenment during the Budda's time? Can enlightenment be 'achieved'? You say that the observer is not obserbed?
Maybe that was K's flaw. You actually have the truth and K was in illusion. Please will you do public talks so that we fools may sit at your feet while you teach us about life?
He is just pointing to the fact that the observer is just another thought to try to get people to realize it. It would seem that modern psychology has put many traps into one becoming realized. Once the observer is poured into the river, who is there left to be enlightened?
@@leowe.heartishome k is the man
Sandeep Maheshwari sir is there, the greatest example of who has achieved enlightenment after hearing jk
28 centers dislike this video hahaha
Thanks a lot! The best I have ever heard.
He understands that we tend to be dependent, so he emphasizes the importance of self-exploration.
Conflict is dissatisfaction with the current situation, and dependence is also a form of dissatisfaction.
Inquiry is the search for what is going on in the mind when dissatisfaction occurs, and this inquiry requires a quiet mind.
If you observe the root cause, the root cause will disappear and so the conflict and dissatisfaction will never occur again in any kind of situation.
You might be unbeliable, but this is fact.
He can speak because he has experienced it.
There are several people like this in the world, but they basically don't reveal their true identity because they have no desire for recognition.
That's why it's so precious that the video remains like this.
As long as you have even the slightest doubt, your exploration is incomplete.
The fact that there is a doubt means that there is an object, an concept, to be examined.
As long as there is a sense of object, conflict and dissatisfaction will never end.
When the sense of subject and the sense of object completely disappear, there is no room for any doubt, and that is the end of the conflict.
It will never go back.
If I have the "psychological space," would I need personal boundaries? Or is it because I insist on my personal boundary, I don't have this psychological space; thus, have no peace in my mind?
And psychological space = total freedom?...
Observer means my value system that is rooted in the past...?
And the past memories make up my ego, selfishness...?
No ego, no selfishness, then the past is wiped out, leaving me alone in peace... No conflicts, then am able to be aware with no experience, I am totally contented ... with no motive but love and live on
brilliance of jk on display
This is still not understood not even among experts, gurus, educated people, religious people... Thanka you K!
maybe it is more understood among common people...
Everyone has to understand it by themselves and I think this is very serious one has to put his life on the line for this.
For an expert or any other you mentioned with the identification of these it is even impossible to live this. When the truth is seen, it is perfectly clear.
It cannot be understood from the point of view of a thinker. Only complete awareness opens the door of realization.
@@leowe.heartishome indeed
@@leowe.heartishome pero quién ve la verdad para hablar de lo que es la verdad?que es la verdad? eso quisiera yo saber
@@sandrak3706 La verdad no se sabe y persona no puede hablar de esta.
La verdad se vive solamente. Para esto tenemos que dejar de pensar y de crear .
..the WHAT IS just leave it AS IT IS ending up what is KNOWN AS
All there really is, is this moment.
My God, this was incredibly amazing!!!! 🙌🙌🙌❤️
Clipping many clips in one made the series lose its value.
I one could understand this, his/her life would be transformed. The end of samsara.
Parece que se entiende pero realmente no entendemos, no es tan fácil, a veces tengo destellos de entendimiento pero después me doy cuenta de que me bloqueó.
There is a religiously way of living - free from the grips of time - such that if it were at all possible to verbally communicate precisely what such living involves people would say that to live this way is complete madness. And because there is this way of living, there can be no doubt that it is possible to bring about a mutation in ‘what is’, a mutation that effectively deepens sensitivity and heightens awareness in an extraordinary way.
We invent Gods? what a non-spiritual person this speaker is. All spiritual people have communicated with spiritual entities, and got advice and wisdom. In fact mediation is meant to bring one to a state of contact with the Devine, in one way or another, and he is promoting awareness and meditation, and doesn't even know what it is all about. How strange.
Jk krishnamurty was one of the greatest modern spiritual masters which unfortunately for us we have not understood at all..it is shame! !
I think people understand but not willing to put work
To know and not do is really not to know anything at all😁✌
Thanks team krishnamurti for making us available such vast knowledge.K's reachings available through you people help me live freely.All my worries are no longer.Thanks a lot team Krishnamurti.
I have a question I hope someone can respond ! What if I am aware and feel a lot of conflict? even neurosis?
*So, when there´s no centre anymore, consciousness are limitless, and are dissipated throughout space, where can dissolve to the oneness of all consciousness ? Is it what happens with death ?*
guruvadiye saranam... requires very very strenuous total attension to deplete the stored up hatred and end the observer . observer arises when in that look there is inattension ,distraction. Obviously in that total attension , there ceases all action and silence has to result .
7:07 7:20 I didn't understand. To be aware of mountain, colours and
to be aware of what is
AMAZING TRUTH !
Blessed ALL !
who can comprehend
Subtitles in English, please !
English subtitles are available, simply enable them.
very great
What is observer?
What is time between observer and observe?
What is space?
What is attention?
A million thanks
12:20 Krishnamurthy controlled his laugh by holding his hand to his face. By saying that we all people have no freedom at all. That we are Limited in psychologically
Most like a subconscius reflex of what the representation of no freedom is.
two child is present to listening of Krishnamurthy
infiniment merci
Many many thanks!
Michael Rivadavia
...and the beat goes on throughout time...
I feel conflict even listening to this ! 😢
every one tries to understand JK, but what do we mean by "Understanding"? is that possible to understand JK, the other or understand ourselves when our mind is full of knowledge, of the known?
You have to understand that you dont have to understand and that "goal" lies behind the words in the field of the unknown. I think that the most get that! The difficult begins when you trie to be aware in abscence of thoughts.
It sure is possible to go into inner silence and / or observe not only what is but the observer. That alone will already bring much peace and relief.
@@AndreasDelleske Yes but he says that we must deny any stimulus - internal and external. If you try to do that, you still work with a motive: The motive "I work without a motive".
When you observe the observer, you make a dichotomy between you and yourself - you don't eliminate the observer. On the other hand, you can be totally aware when you are in great danger: there, the observer is subjectively eliminated, but this experience is not transformational, since it's created by an outward stimulus and you response "by experience".
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Yes, the real revolution.
Gracias por subir este material 🙏
Did someone learn and go beyond?
So beautiful
Révolution is within 🙏
Extremely grateful.
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7:15 tdk bisa mengubah gunung laut
8:06 kontradiksi...bukan melawan bukan pula puas apa adanya...
18:58 pengamat yg menciptakan apa adanya
jika tdk ada pengamat....tdk ada apa adanya
23:06 serakah ingin melihat kebenaran...is perangkap,,,,bentar udah cukup...ciptakan pusat lagi
tdk ada pencarian, tdk ada usaha....sehingga otomatis jd sangat waspada
may the Force be with all
Grazieeeeeeee........davveroooooo.....
Great saying
Thank you
Nowords
Greast poet when nature is described oh what a humble hañdsome pious personàlity
Praticamente bisogna smettere di esistere? Mah ! E poi ? Utopia
È il contrario..
@@gabrielec2924 si ,hai raggione , ma con questo metodo di spiegare , la gente non capisce...tanto e vero che se guardi le facce dei partecipanti , quasi tutti errano assopiti...non puoi dire a uno : smetti di essere osservatore ! si chiede : e comme faccio ?!...smetti di pensare!....si...una parola !
is there an understanding without the object to understand? or understanding is a state of being, of the mind which is free from the know. so. it is capable of receiving something immense and eternal?
Understanding is the goal objective😁!! Not through control but through complete understanding there is no need for control!! Control means my will is still active!!! Freedom from one's own thoughts from one's own conditioning👍 the mind is conditioned correct???? Freedom is State of Mind
If you chose an object, you can examine it. But if you abandon all concepts and objects for a while you may be able to see you are the object-maker and it’s not necessary to examine much, just be awareness and stay or always return there.
U have to be (nothing) no thing to listen through the language of the Heart to understand what is K saying.
What non sense. U can never get that moment. Its almost impossible.
Almost
Hello. Can you provide the link of the complete video?
This is the full video
@@KFoundation thank you sirs and madams
@@KFoundation tremendous courage is instilled watching this video.