J Krishnamurti - The Real Revolution - 3. Freedom from fear
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ธ.ค. 2024
- Subtitles available: Chinese, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, Greek, Italian, Norwegian, Portuguese, Russian, Slovenian, Malayalam, Gujarati, Spanish and Vietnamese
J Krishnamurti - The Real Revolution - 3. Freedom from fear
Passion is needed to understand the whole complex problem of existence. This passion cannot be supplied by the intellect or by sentiment or emotionalism, or aroused by committing oneself to a cause.
The psychological structure of society is based on pleasure. Our whole psychological existence is based in the continuation of pleasure. Until one understands the nature and the structure of pleasure, there will always be fear. The mind that is conditioned by the principle of pleasure cannot think clearly. What is pleasure?
The real revolution Series
These eight programmes were produced and broadcast in America by the National Educational Television Network. They represent the earliest sound films of Krishnamurti speaking to audiences - it was the first time that he had allowed his talks and discussion groups to be filmed. The principle settings are the Oak Grove in Ojai, California, and the Thacher School in the Ojai Valley.
---
This channel is managed by the Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK, and by the Krishnamurti Foundation of America.
The role of the foundations was described by Krishnamurti when he said, 'The foundations will see to it that these teachings are kept whole, are not distorted, are not made corrupt. They will not give rise to any sectarian spirit in their activities... nor create any kind of place of worship around the teachings or the person.'
We maintain extensive archives of Krishnamurti's original works and all four Krishnamurti foundations are actively engaged in the publication of material in various forms.
Our videos contain thousands of subtitles in more than 25 languages, translated by volunteers from all over the world. If you would like to help us with translating subtitles, please contact us at digital@kfoundation.org
For more information about J. Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti foundations:
International Site - www.jkrishnamur...
Facebook - / jk.krishnamurti
Twitter - / orgkrishnamurti
Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK - www.kfoundation...
Krishnamurti Foundation of America - www.kfa.org/
Krishnamurti Foundation of India - www.kfionline.org/
Fundación Krishnamurti Latinoamericana - www.fkla.org/
This organization is a registered charity. Registered charity number: 312865
© 1966 Krishnamurti Foundation of America and Krishnamurti Foundation Trust
This, is the best way to use internet!
Best comment I've heard
Know yourself. The best of all
@@Parallelthinkers said said that wz😜😏😏😏😜😏😏😏😏😏😏😜😏😏😏😏😜Aaa
@Fiat Lux.........
Internet and time
Pure Gold..
FREEDOM OF FEAR
1. Concept of actions and urges is based on pleasure.
2. Fear exist untill the nature of pleasure is understood.
3. Desire is created , thought sustains it into pleasure , with memory thought demands the continuity of pleasure.
4. Thought creates past present and future, which is time. This time creates fear.
5. Time ceases to exist when there is complete attention. ( Here on pleasure).
Living in the here and now - it is the highest achievement and as good as impossible for a human being to fulfill.
@@erwinwoodedge4885 I'm trying to achieve that. It's very hard. How are you doing with that now?
The present is always here and now, it is not at any particular moment in time, but at every time, it has been there yesterday, it's there now and it will be there tomorrow. Therefore it has no localization in time, no point, no duration in time, it is timeless. Presence is the cessation of (psychological) time. Where there is no psychological time, there can not be fear, because fear is by necessity directed towards the future, one is afraid of something that he does not want to happen in the future.
@@Vlad-wl3fw watch the video again, and listen, and continue listening
The explanation that transcends all existing philosophers. Mr Krishnamurti was the greatest pointer ever seen! 💪🏻
Krishnamurti is someone who makes us capable to stand on our own feet.
This was the best talk I ve seen in my entire life. Such clarity. Such window. This series of talks is a great treasure, ty so much for making it available
Tudo é tão diferente de ontem!! E achamos que é igual,!!
Fear = the opposite of art. Art = love= putting everything in it’s right place. When “we are fear”, we are divided. We are not in order, chaos is inside : conflicts, pending problems. When all problems. Are brought to the present day and solved, peace arises, emptiness cleanses us up. And maybe we start crossing the river.
freedom form known is death , and then you are living
The smartest man ever...
you just have not seen better.
@@seNiaaa1990 Jesus Christ, here we go again.
@@chlorine5795
what?
@@chlorine5795 you don't make much sense.
@@seNiaaa1990 yeah , I was high.
This is so precise, so inspiring, so on spot. My God, we could all benefit from thinkers like this. We've got the answers
"THE OBSEVER IS THE OBSERVATION AND THEN YOU CAN GO BEYOND THIS!!!"
J.Krishnamurti
🌬️🌀🌌🙏
Seriously speaking I have to tell- to receive his words itself is a task and to digest the higher truth than what we know is huge, yet one thing is for sure he has been on the right track of life and he is one of finest intellect mankind has seen!!!
There is certain dimension quality which cannot be approached through thought.
JKs talks on a wide range of topics about human consciousness and life helps me to look more and more inside of me and cut out the rough edges on character and values. His understanding and insights are unparalleled. Even though he does not use many examples to illustrate the various aspects in his talk, the core elements that he speaks about, if one applies the mind is absolutely brilliant and practical to try out and benefit from.
metanoÏa, meta noÏa, meta Noûs-Noeîn.. is it not the first message of the gospel..?
Very true! 💯
This conversation>>>>>>>>My entire education
Siii literal
I remember him as he stretched his long hands toward humans... Soaked in blinding light pouring from the.... Huge space ship .. in close encounter of the third kind.
Every Guru wants something in return for his teaching...atleast an effort ...but JK is unconditional ...he doesn't expect anything from the listener.
I think that he hoped that we set ourselves totally free. He longed for that and felt pain for us. I was lucky to have lived what he taught without knowing him or any guru. Just was thirsty for truth. I did not know that what happened to me was so unusual. I thought that it happened to others, too. It is very painful to see all those people looking for God, but trapped in beliefs. Others PhD with international carriers, researchers, but still trapped. Merely realizing that unconditioning oneself is not natural to so many people. Most replace a conditioning by another.
Freedom from dogma enables a man to embrace immortality and shed all fear of mortal death. Time becomes insignificant and life becomes incredibly fulfilling.
Vous vous payez de mots ...
Gracias por subir este material 🙏
This is amazing
Everything J.K. has spoken about is the expression of love he has actually been living.
He had interacted / Lots of people heard his talk.. What was the lmpact? Radical changes happened amongst human beings?
@@seethavenkataraghavan2081The tiktokers have great impact on the society, it doesn't make them great.
Brilliant, thank you for bringing this to us
Due to our demand of pleasure motive comes into being.❤️🙏
Krishnamurti meeting Man inside out. Therefore resonating. ❤️
Krishnamurti's preachings are not easy to understand in the beginning. His ideas and his philosophy are altogether fresh and unique. The way he analyses things is very impressive. What he speaks does not come from the books but from his own experience. Be like the vast sky and he starts rising like the sun.
I like your last sentence. Especially since "be like the vast sky" is really it! Rising like the sun, the Absolute reality does become revealed. Well done!
@@janiceshayne8193 Thanks for responding .
@@RPOjha-cu6lm Sister . . . ;-)
The fear that nobody is saved but us, the fear of the captain leaving the boat first. But we need to free ourselves, in the first place.
K is always fresh...!!!
Freedom from Fear.THANKS
Lucky to have acses to his videos
listening requires effort but if we are not to put in effort towards our own radical revolution of our minds, there is a dilema. cause effort creates motive and motive can not be the reason for revolution or the mutation of the mind. in other words be someone else, abandon all your old ways. no more desire, no more pleasure, no more effort, and all the rest of it. he continues to remind us that there are soo many distractions and hinderances that we need to abandon. empty ourselves of everything essentially. that to me equals death of the mind which is death in itself. we no longer observe cause we become the observed. the observer becomes the what is, which is the emptying of the mind.
Listening requires effort only if you need to focus a certain fragmentary part of the whole, since you will need the effort to ignore the rest of things to concentrate on that only one thing. But to listen something in whole, you would listen not just the apparent object, but the whole symphony.
True listening which is transparency is effortless.
K. Is the true man. Love you my brother. Krishnamurti forever. K is the think tank for humanity!!
" if you're still convinced by jiddu's words and ideas & not by your own deep and passionate observation , then a psychological revolution hasn't occurred yet in your mind"
(detach & wake up)
you must develop your own one right ? personal .. that's what you mean ? no matter who is your teacher there comes the time when you must flourish yourself,is that what ytou mean ?> sorry for my english ;)
@@travisbickle8008 that's the meaning.
this is what jiddu speaks, you saying this proves you are convinced.
yes, i have idealized JK, and basically nothing has changed
how to detach and wake up? In moments of concentration I can definitely say the fear and anxiety is gone. But those moments don't last and the mind wonders away.
This is a wonderful integration of his understanding of the human condition.
The best of INTERNET :listening everyday to this BENDITO
Idolatry can be just done with words too. We need to act.
A true master!
Even though you have to listen to him, he insisted not to listen to him but to yourself.
My interpretation is. Outwardly you have to listen to him very attentive, without interference of your conditioning.
Then inwardly the structure of your mind is shake, and you start become aware of yourself. K doesn’t say don’t listen. He says do not follow K, he is not your authority
Pretty right.
Silence of the mind
Thank you, Sir. I'm looking inside myself
It's not simply inside looking, rather inside-out /out -inside looking, until inside/out dividng line disappears, and only pure looking /listening remains.
What did you find? An echo? Or is it completely full inside? ;)
@@valneskoInteresting. Now, forget all that and live.
❤❤❤
Radical change...🙏♥️😊
Hi tanvi..
Danke 😔☺️
K would not appreciate us depending upon him, he everlastingly stressed and emphasized NOT to depend upon him or anyone, our own attachments, but to see the entire field of life without him or you, or me. And what if 10 of us also transformed our selves? Find out, this is not taught by another.
@@lepomirbakic4422 That's for you to find out.
Studying in one of his schools for my entire life, I've noticed this point always seemed to go over people's heads. Transformation of one's mind cannot be done by anyone but themselves
@@yajur2000 seems to have gone over your head too since you spent your life at his school
@@xsuploader you can possibly not come to that conclusion. Having spent ones schooling at a Place like Rishi valley is very nurturing... A growing child needs attention and nurturing. K didn't open these school to create ppl who are dependent on him!!!
I hope u know why K created those schools.
@@yajur2000 On this point K was incoherent. We have ancient knowledge, means of knowledge to transform one s “self” for example Advaita61 Vedanta, this knowledge/ means of liberation, comes from “ consciousness” itself, not from the conditioned mind. If the masses could have done this transformation on their own, believe me, they would have, the sad fact is the human mind cannot do it on its own. Can this lead to bondage? This is the risk all humans face on any “ path”
This man is hachuly unique
Passionate man
The human mind is one of the most amazing and mysterious mechanisms. The achievements of humanity through cognition are simply astounding! Man has used this most complex of tools to invariably master the external world. Inwardly, man has progressed very little. Upon examination we can realize all discontent is sewn from the mind and the mind alone. The mind seemingly breeds discontent. Why is this so? Anxiety, depression, fear, anger are all born out of conflict and division. Fear is bred in the mind and born from thought.
The thought-mind (self image) creates duality in order to perceive the world. Consciousness is non-dual, unified, so there can be no subject/object relationship. It expresses itself through being-ness, dualistically so it can experience itself. A grave misidentification occurs when one incorrectly aligns with the thought-mind instead of identifying with the source. This is the single reason for all fear, suffering and discontent. One perceives themselves to be helpless to the whim of a collection of conditioned circumstances, concepts and memory. Therefore, one takes the workings of the mind to be extremely personal and when the mind suffers one consequently suffers with it. All one simply need do, is search inwardly beyond thoughts. Simply observe in stillness and quiet awareness and look past the thinking mind. Find what is there and has been there always.
The words conveyed are merely a pointer and a motivator. One seeks that which exists prior to concept and language. Finding out who you are is of paramount importance. It can only be experienced and not conceptually grasped. This is of the utmost importance and for most, paradoxical. How can one understand without thought? Truthfully, one can only fully understand without thought. One cannot employ a limited tool to experience the unlimited. This is of great importance, the experience of silent awareness, existence-consciousness-great contentment, is needed to realize the truth and shift identification away from the thought-mind.
When the indentification shift happens, it is completely evident. You stand apart from the thought-mind and can observe it easily from a new vantage point. If it is observable in this way, logic dictates, it simply couldn't be you. Thereby, when the mind suffers, one does not suffer with it. The realized one has no worldly attachments, is not attached to the body-mind and stays centered in silent awareness, even in the midst of daily life. This is the art of constant meditation. Outwardly in the world, inwardly stabilized in consciousness. In this detached state, no worldly affairs can touch you as nothing can touch consciousness and you reside in this state.
The Taoists call this the knowledge of no-knowledge. The Japanese call it Zen. The Hindus call it Sat-Chit-Ananda (Existence-consciousness-great contentment). This is your natural state. Attainment of this state leads to total liberation. One moves about the world and life effortlessly, seeing the ebb and flow of worldly affairs as simple alternations in duality. This is the great truth, find it and all questions will disappear. All desire comes to an end. All attachment is dissolved and total clarity ensues. Everything in it's proper place, resting in great quiet peace, stabilized in the true self.
Two Methods -
1. Self-Inquiry - This is the quickest and surest method to realizing the self. Look inwardly, with a quiescent mind, and find the source of the primary thought 'I AM'. Use the mind to observe inwardly with a high quality of attention. Observe quietly and see where it leads.
2. 'I AM' - The root thought of being is 'I AM', it precedes all other thoughts. Stay centered in the 'I AM', use this thought as the goto and if the mind wanders, return it to the 'I AM'. Although it sounds a bit crude and simplistic, it is highly effective in stabilizing in being-ness. If one can stabilize in the primary thought, then one can seek it's source. To rest in the state prior to consciousness is to reside in the absolute. 💜 - JB
Philly taichi Your painstaking lucid explanation of the inner healing process left me with one need for clarification regarding your final sentence. You mentioned resting in the state "prior" to consciousness. Why the need for the qualifying word "prior?" Everything else was crystal clear. Thanks for sharing.
Hey, thanks a lot for this post - really simple and no mumbo jumbo
Very generous of you to take the time to post all that! Thank you.
I only read the last paragraph. Thank you. This is Christian Science : Mary Sterling, Joel Goldsmith. Idolatry of concepts. Please avoid this trap. Do not auto hypnotize yourself, do not freeze your consciousness.
Happiness is good health and peace of mind in a place of comfort and simple pleasures. Forgetfulness of previous hard times and rememberence of the good along with gratitude completes the picture.
This is just my opinion-choose your own solutions.
Respect to j krishnamurti
✌🏽
well put, sir.
Keep on learning ...
Gracias!
Thank you
Pleasure denies love...very well put..
The Master of action
Thank you jiddu
It’s so weird to think that the whole idea and purpose of doing well in our society in terms of scholastic and professional achievement is so that one is more able to pursue the fulfilment of pleasure and more readily and easily indulge themselves in consumerism. In this way we measure “happiness”.
Radical change/revolution without effort is only possible when one is really ready to change his heart.
Ready to observe himself. A change made by a confused mind can only bring confusion. Why change? He wrote a book : “As you are”. Please do not replace what is by what you think should be. Please remain with who you are.
Grazie ❤️💙
Sono pensieri attualmente molto importanti.
Grazie, ✌️❤️☀️
Danke
Ravie de t'avoir rencontré
"If you are told to observe; you cease to observe".
If I didn't see JK and hear his voice here, judging by the audiences' reaction, I'd say they are mesmerized by an alien!
Universal leader
If you watch this 8 episode series, I dont think anyone needs to study anything further from JK
Thank you! I need to stick to the pathless land.
The views of this video clearly tells how most of people living right now
why k did not allow previous talks to be recorded ? if anyone know plz
This is what university forums were meant for ❤❤✌
Thought is the fastest thing in the universe. You think of being on the moon and you are there!
Aavishkaar Kadam we are the moon. The only thing that seprate us is a thought. But if we honstly look at our selfs we can discover
@@juanrobles4633 Have you discovered that? Better not to speak than to repeat.
One direction in pleasure is enough to taint you but one cannot rely on another to get out of the cycle. Must do it alone.
Thankyou🌟🌟
A brilliant man. Krishnamurti's teachings enabled me to invent the DVR, known as TIVO. A whole new generation of humans have been born in the USA. Nearly 70 million births. These kids will change the world and America.
They will be citizens of the world and therefore dissolve America
A nice question to ask yourself is: is non pleasure suffering ? When you realize that its not, you understand the basis of the 21st century psichological stucture. We have confused life with pleasure, love with pleasure, etc... We jump from pleasure to pleasure, junkies to that thing, slaves to the idea that the lack of pleasure must be, "logically"utter suffering. Fear then arises when yo dont get your fair shot of" pleasure" wheather it is a drink, drugs or just an image of yourself that you take pleasure sustaining for whatever reason.
In short, when we are not aware of our ego, we become slaves to it.
True!
Can we get the transcript of this talk
Do you think Krishnamati was channeling this. I noticed he referred himself as we
❤❤😊😊😊
ty
🙏🙏
It seems to me that if pleasure is desire, then the fulfilment of any desire is not necessary for pleasure, for then it would be sufficient to hold on to unfulfilled desires to experience pleasure.
Experience and pleasure cannot step on that land.
When and how did he die?
Krishnamurti died in 1986 of pancreatic cancer.
@@KFoundation We are glad to see him today by this videos available for public
decades after NOT LISTENING HOW YA LIKEN YOUR SOCIETY?
Good
Il faut une traduction en français
Is pleasure not a part of our physical need. Like hunger? To know this and act like this would be a solution for us also , or not?
Yes kinda, pleasure and fear and thought and hunger, all are survival tools. From my understanding, to truly understand all those survival aspects of self, you must look at them, face them from a neutral point of view, totally not knowing and genuine humility of observation, you learn about them, you understand them, and then you are kinda free from them.
I'm not implying that you will stop eating. Hunger is not much psychological as fear and pleasure. But the mind and thought is made to protect you, to survive you and att the same time, it limits you in a golden cage of protection.
Imagine a mom that loves and protects its child. The child grows and now are a man/woman but this mom wont let him be free. She wants to protect him no matter what. It thinks its her mission to do so.
That's what mind and thought do to us. It help us tremendously to survive and to grow, but in a certain stage, we must look at it, understand it and transcend it to be truly free.
For yourself is the whole of mankind with aches and misery (15:34) [the man in picture is 😂with aching body adjusting when he start doing K say above this]
Hmmm....seems some of religious people being scrutinizing him, as not supportive to them, n I even dare to say that if there are any true followers, they also didn' manage to understand him .It's so simple.
❣️🙏🏿❣️
Le premier pas est le dernier pas
The first step is the last step
I am curious to find out what pleasure has to do with fear... "Pleasure denies love." Interesting. "Time creates fear."
I did not understand what he meant this time...
I think what he means is that pleasure is associated with wanting something if a pleasurable experience is extended by thoughts that we identify with. Then we want more of it. But if this experience is taken away, which is inevitable, the pleasure turns into pain.
So pleasure is pain. And fear is a type of pain obviously. For example if I meet a woman and she gives me pleasure through her attention to me and her compliments or whatever the case may be, it is very human to want more. I might start fearing not recieving this attention. So when her behavior stops, which is likely, I will experience pain. Now at what point was there love in this scenario? There was seeking pleasure and avoiding pain. Love arises naturally in the mind which is not in in this pain/pleasure circle. We do not have to do anything to force this state, in fact we can't. We "simply" need to really understand this (not intelectually) and maybe we will be free of it if we see the truth of it. We have to observe this, the avoidance of pain and seeking of pleasure (with our complete attention) in ourselves to see the futility of it.
@@Tolseren Y por lo tanto dónde hay placer hay dolor inevitablemente y en consecuencia miedo de no obtener de nuevo el placer y más dolor.
Pleasure = repeating a past pleasant experience. It is memory. We project the past into the present because we are afraid of what we don’t know. We repeat pleasure to fill up our fear of emptiness. The ego wants security. We embrace the pleasant and escape from the unpleasant. Pleasure is an escape.
СУБТИТРЫ
The form and time of those like Krishnamurti, that is a "snake enchanter" or a "speaker", wish totally contradicts the content of what Krishnamurti speaks of. That is a FACT. (without denying the Truth of the Words). If Krishnamurti knew who he was talking to, he would shut his mouth.... hahaha but very soon there will be no more "speakers" nor "preachers"!! Aho!
visit the page heartfulness in Facebook for the techniques to empty ur mind.
Visiting facebook empties the mind?
What is he talking🙄
😂😂
Nothing don't worry
🤣
f luisteren
🙏🙏🙏
🙏🏻