"when there is an experiencing, in that second there is no thought. Then thought comes along, says how marvelous that was. It captures it and then wants repetition"
This crystal clarity is like a healing balm. Listening to JK when you are in pain heals it, instantly. It sweeps away all the pains, hurts and pettiness. now you can breathe, and live, fully.
K might say go into it, it's not the speaker, it's the message. Very much agree the messages from this speaker are, what we in human form must spend all of time understanding and doing. This chaotic society, each person so needs this, the truly smart know that they do not know.
So true. I’ve been listening to the podcasts and have listened to the one on sorrow numerous times. Each time I feel I understand what he says just a little bit better.
He got me towards the end! When we experience something we often start to cling to it. We want to cherish it, or we want or need it to continue, that's the problem. We should rather enjoy the experience in the moment, and as soon as it ends, we need to LET IT GO! As someone who has experienced detachment for a brief 1.5 year, I can say the lving in the moment and letting go of the moment is the KEY!!
I wonder whether he was frustrated due to pain in his body. I know him from other talks and he is unusually quicker here. I love every bit of him! He helped me change my life. Doesn't matter how such a novice I may stay, the impact of the order I have found thanks to him in my life is immense. I had been so lost for so many years, relentlessly in search of the right images and as he says: I found more and more confusion and dependence only. Incredible how the elimination of all conflicts in the mind leads to peace and unhurt states. Peace to all!
Non-clinging! Awareness: don't create images. Live in the present. All good stuff!! Thank you, JK. He was a man who I think did get frustrated at how people were following him for YEARS, who were "clinging."
Spot on sir.., Buddha mind... the illusion of self is desolved... beautiful mind, this is the only way we can stop all the suffering & violence wisdom & peace to all... namista...
If you have self image, you are going to get hurt. How not to have self image? Experience. While experiencing, give your full attention and no thoughts.
We believe there's security in our relationships, it's all untrue because it's based on belief. The definition of belief is, concluding that you know something, that you do not know the truth of it. When you believe everything, it means you have concluded that you know,which kills the possibility of every knowing the truth. So ones experience of life will be very small, and you will only be half alive,which is most of the population, so you think your living a full life,when in reality your killing your aliveness, nothing of great joy or happiness or ecstasy or excitement will happen more then a few major moments in your life. Every single day will be exactly the same as the day before, because when we draw conclusions about life we are telling the universe, I don't want to know anymore then I already know and your life will always reflect that. If I'm honest with myself I truly do not know anything, because I realize this the wanting to know has grown within me, the universe will not denie where I put my absolute awareness on somthing,something, has to reveal what you are focused on. Try this with a tree give the same tree everyday your absolute awareness and attention for 1hour a day. You will discover there more to the material world then meets the eye.
Wow, John, what a powerful comment! Thank you! For a long time, I wanted the security of each day being the same. It is scary to NOT KNOW. But you are right..it is really such a poor message to send to the universe and to underestimate its sheer brilliance. :)
It's a pity nature can't reply to ur comment, cause it has no hand and no computer to answer , but of course it has hears to hear what KJ says, can't you see it LOL at your comment?? Come on, keep your head in the clouds but keep your feet on the ground....
I love it so much when he begs please not to answer inmediately. At first I got tensed but now I can't stand laughing and has the opposite relief effect on me ;)
Agree totally 2 create a I- dentification play with the Mindenergetic Matrix= insane ! Thx 4 Absolute Truth= prior and beyond Mayamind and all its plays and illussions...phenemonems.
Why does thought seek permanent security ? When thought clings to an image it is the very essense of neuroticism The whole mechanism of image making, When she calls you an idiot or if she calls you marvellous person immediate response is an image. Can I listen without storing an image ?
When you see whole structure of conflict, pain and division the image creates, the centre as 'me' becomes unimportant. The ego will submit only when there is higher understanding!
When he says you have a image,or thoughts create a image is it a mental picture? Like when someone says think of a apple and you see it in your mind ?or is the image about how we see are self ?
"experiencing it and then not carrying it along demands tremendous attention and attention is not possible when there is a centre which says I must attend this I must that etc"
It is a tiresome activity for the brain to be attentive all the time especially if it is not used to it and may be that is why it makes images...image making is like knowing little bit of everything but going through nothing to solve the daily chores...K always gives a new dimension to thinking...🙏
When i see a child, suffers from the pain not be loved rrom his mother, i feel that pain and it has nothing to do with a self Image. But imagine it is "youre" child, this wound not stop bleeding for years oder years. You can stop every pain out of the past, out of thinking, but there is pain wo comes from outside, i see no possibility to overcome this, more learn to stay in it because to see it and to feel it means that youre heart has not closed his eyes.
So i listen to this video, i don't make an image of Krishna and I don't make an image about how i took another up step,i listen i understand and I will use it.there is no me,there is just experience,if i make an idol of Krishna then i made an image of him there should be no security there should be just experience and I have to fit it in to my intuition,i hope i am right
It's fact that image is hurted. Children don't have images so they don't get hurted for psychological reasons., whoever get hurted are adults with solidified images.
Attention is intelligence, and where there is thought operating, intelligence is not. Thought divides, it is the intellect that operates when thinking up images, idea’s conclusions. Intelligence is momentary, because the intellect keeps functioning in day to day life.
When he says you have a image,or thoughts create a image is it a mental picture? Like when someone says think of a apple and you see it in your mind ?or is the image about how we see are self ?
@@mrra70 yes he speaks about mental image. when you think something and you have emotions,opinions about it and you take them for granted, then the contradiction begin. its like watching your memories as a movie but you are not inside it therefore it will not affect you as something real but rather something imaginary so no image or verbal abstraction can hurt you. You have the physical memory of an apple that you can watch but the mental image take place you say the apples are good,bad, i want them or they suck.This identification is the process of the ego because without ego you just have the physical memory of the apple (no duality involves in it). of course this can go deeper because the apple is a verbal expression and the purpose of language is for communication and not to identification so the words are not so important as long as there is understanding.
This is pure sanity when the world is no longer comprehensible, when we are daily bombarded with tens of thousands of images. "...this image-making I see tremendous danger in it. ... the danger is more important than anything else. like a precipice, when you see the danger of it, you move away from it. when you see a rattler, you move away from it." ~ JK We upload and download so many images every day, without realizing how dangerous, life-threatening, life-corrupting, life-destroying they are.
If I don't have a positive self image how can I move forward ? It's like you throw your map and compass and sailing in a vast ocean . Please anybody respond if you have same or different thought
Realize that you are the ocean so toss away the rutter that steers you along and the boat holding you in a box of separation and even toss away the flesh (fat, skinny, dark, light) ....and see how suffering ceases. I Am That.
The title "if you have a self image you are going to be hurt" For me my self image can shift from one thought to the next. I have a thought be it good or bad and I can dwell on it or allow it to pass. I am still moving forward. I still have to do all that is needed to survive. We can't all live in caves in the Himalayas. So we find means to keeping going. Yet at the same time I find bliss in not being placed in a box of good or bad.
It is only the SELF which creates fear in you that 'You will not move forward in life without positive self image'. In order to move forward in life, we need skills and definitely not the self image. If you notice, self image distract us in lot many ways from developing our skills. So, it actually limits us from moving forward.
Hi! I understand you. The answer lies in answering the question for yourself 'Why do you need a positive image of yourself?' Once you have seen and stayed with all the reasons, you will see why it is better to stop cultivating such desires when you see the effect of all those reasons in your life and other's lives... And you will know what to do.
What kind of forward? You need 'positive' things when you are filled with negative things, but why one has those negative things? Or why does one need to identify something as positive or negative? This is ALL the conditioning which has been put inside us since our childhood, I actually see no point at this stage.
I appreciate these talks. Regarding this particular topic, I wonder how this applies to the hurt we experience from the suffering of others. I imagine that our self image plays a significant part in our perception of it all, but it feels like this varies from the self-centered experience of hurt or flattery that is addressed here. I am also imagining that this particular talk is addressing the hurt or flattery of the ego, which I would distinguish from our feelings related to a collective experience. Does anyone know of any talks where Mr. Krishnamurti may address this concept?
I am stuck because i think its not possible to live without any image about oneself, so i know i close the door, but i cannot be different, can anyone help? This man is tremendous profund
Yes, I think you point out a weakness of his, and a failure to follow his own teaching in finding it so difficult to attentatively listen to other people. Having said this, he himself reminds us not to take anyone else as a model or guru, not even himself.
I think he felt it instantly that those people had no serious inquiry whatsoever prior to their answers to Krishnamurti. Plus it was his teaching method. He allowed us to see the truth of the things by repeating. He gave us time to catch up. It is us who needs to listen. :D Plus I think he was in great discomfort in his body on that day and still he gave the talk. :/
Thought has no will. It’s not an individual. Thought is not looking for security, for thought is nobody, nothing, just _this_ present thought I am having while writing this stupid comment, etc.
"when there is an experiencing, in that second there is no thought.
Then thought comes along, says how marvelous that was. It captures it and then wants repetition"
This crystal clarity is like a healing balm. Listening to JK when you are in pain heals it, instantly. It sweeps away all the pains, hurts and pettiness. now you can breathe, and live, fully.
Just stop interrupting him please ! 🤦🏽♂️
He is dead
❤His wisdom reigns.
@@devarakondajayanth0681Zen is emotional he knows too that J is dead but he is also alive not J but Consciousness
"Don't theorize about it - unless you are speaking from *fact* [actuality], everything else is meaningless." 04:51
This man is The Most important thing that happens to me.
It didn't happened, it won't happen; It's a on going Happening.
K might say go into it, it's not the speaker, it's the message.
Very much agree the messages from this speaker are, what we in human form must spend all of time understanding and doing.
This chaotic society, each person so needs this, the truly smart know that they do not know.
This video holds so much truth it requires many listenings to fully touch our consciousness
So true. I’ve been listening to the podcasts and have listened to the one on sorrow numerous times. Each time I feel I understand what he says just a little bit better.
"You can only go into it if you have *no* ideas about it." 02:14
He got me towards the end! When we experience something we often start to cling to it. We want to cherish it, or we want or need it to continue, that's the problem. We should rather enjoy the experience in the moment, and as soon as it ends, we need to LET IT GO! As someone who has experienced detachment for a brief 1.5 year, I can say the lving in the moment and letting go of the moment is the KEY!!
GRACIAS , GRACIAS , gracias por habrir mis ojos a la verdad la realidad gracias por compartir .❤
Understanding freedom is rare. Therefore, freedom is rare. 😊
I like how succint and how accurate your insight is! :)
I wonder whether he was frustrated due to pain in his body. I know him from other talks and he is unusually quicker here.
I love every bit of him! He helped me change my life. Doesn't matter how such a novice I may stay, the impact of the order I have found thanks to him in my life is immense. I had been so lost for so many years, relentlessly in search of the right images and as he says: I found more and more confusion and dependence only. Incredible how the elimination of all conflicts in the mind leads to peace and unhurt states. Peace to all!
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Patrick Bodó Your words >> 🧡 I wish you all the best 🧡
no, he is not. Read his diary.
Non-clinging! Awareness: don't create images. Live in the present. All good stuff!! Thank you, JK. He was a man who I think did get frustrated at how people were following him for YEARS, who were "clinging."
He is like a radical Zen Master...❤
Spot on sir.., Buddha mind... the illusion of self is desolved... beautiful mind, this is the only way we can stop all the suffering & violence wisdom & peace to all... namista...
Omg this is such a precious gem!
I don’t think (🤔 there is thought again 😊) anything deeper than this. Thank you 🙏 ❤
K was really one in billion.83 years old and having sharp mind and iq 300 is beyond unique.
How lucky to receive teaching from emanation of Maitreya himself
If you have self image, you are going to get hurt. How not to have self image?
Experience. While experiencing, give your full attention and no thoughts.
Another fellow comes and makes a formula out of it.. one of K's dialogues
More Easy to say then done..
Doesn't work if we say "i must attend" then you're creating an image of the attending!
Not many people notice the tremendous energy master Krishna uses when he speaks, especially when he mentions the word "fact".
Thanks for adding auto translate
When he said he was getting bored I burst out laughing out loud 😂 Genius!
What do you think he meant? Maybe he gets bored of these kind of repetitive and obvious specifications.
Centerless...living without images...and vulnerable. 🙏
I love the way he says find out 💙
"As long as there is a centre, it is impossible Not to register"
We believe there's security in our relationships, it's all untrue because it's based on belief. The definition of belief is, concluding that you know something, that you do not know the truth of it. When you believe everything, it means you have concluded that you know,which kills the possibility of every knowing the truth. So ones experience of life will be very small, and you will only be half alive,which is most of the population, so you think your living a full life,when in reality your killing your aliveness, nothing of great joy or happiness or ecstasy or excitement will happen more then a few major moments in your life. Every single day will be exactly the same as the day before, because when we draw conclusions about life we are telling the universe, I don't want to know anymore then I already know and your life will always reflect that. If I'm honest with myself I truly do not know anything, because I realize this the wanting to know has grown within me, the universe will not denie where I put my absolute awareness on somthing,something, has to reveal what you are focused on. Try this with a tree give the same tree everyday your absolute awareness and attention for 1hour a day. You will discover there more to the material world then meets the eye.
Wow, John, what a powerful comment! Thank you! For a long time, I wanted the security of each day being the same. It is scary to NOT KNOW. But you are right..it is really such a poor message to send to the universe and to underestimate its sheer brilliance. :)
Found a Budha in comments section 🙏
Beautiful backround nature is also listening him
Yes
Beautiful background nature is also listening him
It's a pity nature can't reply to ur comment, cause it has no hand and no computer to answer , but of course it has hears to hear what KJ says, can't you see it LOL at your comment?? Come on, keep your head in the clouds but keep your feet on the ground....
❤❤❤❤
Great talk....self image is the center of all problems...
Thanks for J K Official channel all your vidios are really help mankind. If anyone follow J K teachings that man will definately transform
I never seen a human being like this human... It's really something high dimensional
Un gran sabio
I love it so much when he begs please not to answer inmediately. At first I got tensed but now I can't stand laughing and has the opposite relief effect on me ;)
Agree totally 2 create a I- dentification play with the Mindenergetic Matrix= insane !
Thx 4 Absolute Truth= prior and beyond Mayamind and all its plays and illussions...phenemonems.
2:14 "You can only go into it if you have no idea about it"
i see that those things are facts. everything starts from that observation.
The very first day I felt my real being after I listened this life changing discourse.
Thank you so much for your affection and lovely expression ❤️🙏
I can't believe how many views..
What a relief.. the dream is almost over.
Thank you 😊👍
Hidden facts and mind opening speech by j. krishnmurti great teaching philosophy.
Thank you.
this was a great video. was able to apply to my life almost immediately.
Great thought.
Great analysis of human mind
When ever "I" or" mine "is used for overself at the same moment awareness must be there.That means awareness of all the time must be there.
Why does thought seek permanent security ?
When thought clings to an image it is the very essense of neuroticism
The whole mechanism of image making,
When she calls you an idiot or if she calls you marvellous person
immediate response is an image.
Can I listen without storing an image ?
Absolute clarity!
I love Jiddu Krishnamurti ❤️❤️❤️
When you see the whole structure of relationship, the whole of it, then the center becomes unimportant.
A gem.
Thank you...🙏🏻🙏🏻
Here it is. The end of your search.
The best of the best for self help.
Thank you
He's an enlightened being.
He has same caliber as Buddha.
I was dying when the guy kept trying to answer lol 😂
When you see whole structure of conflict, pain and division the image creates, the centre as 'me' becomes unimportant. The ego will submit only when there is higher understanding!
That was Hella deep
Great
"that image which is the centre of your being, as long as the image is there,
it must register. which means, conflict"
When he says you have a image,or thoughts create a image is it a mental picture? Like when someone says think of a apple and you see it in your mind ?or is the image about how we see are self ?
"As long as that image,.which is.the centre of your being, there is registration"
"experiencing it and then not carrying it along demands tremendous attention
and attention is not possible when there is a centre which says I must attend this I must that etc"
Helpful
It is a tiresome activity for the brain to be attentive all the time especially if it is not used to it and may be that is why it makes images...image making is like knowing little bit of everything but going through nothing to solve the daily chores...K always gives a new dimension to thinking...🙏
Very useful. 🙏🏼
love
When i see a child, suffers from the pain not be loved rrom his mother, i feel that pain and it has nothing to do with a self Image. But imagine it is "youre" child, this wound not stop bleeding for years oder years. You can stop every pain out of the past, out of thinking, but there is pain wo comes from outside, i see no possibility to overcome this, more learn to stay in it because to see it and to feel it means that youre heart has not closed his eyes.
"I have an image of myself and that image does not correspond to that of an idion "
So i listen to this video, i don't make an image of Krishna and I don't make an image about how i took another up step,i listen i understand and I will use it.there is no me,there is just experience,if i make an idol of Krishna then i made an image of him there should be no security there should be just experience and I have to fit it in to my intuition,i hope i am right
Correct
halo on fire
my friend
Wish the crowd had been silent.
Gives full attention without motives
Enlightenment men don't care about honour and dishonour.
It's fact that image is hurted. Children don't have images so they don't get hurted for psychological reasons., whoever get hurted are adults with solidified images.
Children get hurt and have images the same as anyone else .,
Attention is intelligence, and where there is thought operating, intelligence is not. Thought divides, it is the intellect that operates when thinking up images, idea’s conclusions. Intelligence is momentary, because the intellect keeps functioning in day to day life.
When he says you have a image,or thoughts create a image is it a mental picture? Like when someone says think of a apple and you see it in your mind ?or is the image about how we see are self ?
@@mrra70 yes he speaks about mental image. when you think something and you have emotions,opinions about it and you take them for granted, then the contradiction begin. its like watching your memories as a movie but you are not inside it therefore it will not affect you as something real but rather something imaginary so no image or verbal abstraction can hurt you. You have the physical memory of an apple that you can watch but the mental image take place you say the apples are good,bad, i want them or they suck.This identification is the process of the ego because without ego you just have the physical memory of the apple (no duality involves in it). of course this can go deeper because the apple is a verbal expression and the purpose of language is for communication and not to identification so the words are not so important as long as there is understanding.
Brain can’t give up self image with out a return. Due to its conditioning.
Krishnamurti was the closest incarnation of the Buddha (IMHO).
dear friend but this is also an image.
This is pure sanity when the world is no longer comprehensible, when we are daily bombarded with tens of thousands of images.
"...this image-making I see tremendous danger in it. ... the danger is more important than anything else. like a precipice, when you see the danger of it, you move away from it. when you see a rattler, you move away from it." ~ JK
We upload and download so many images every day, without realizing how dangerous, life-threatening, life-corrupting, life-destroying they are.
People just blurting out non stop let the man speak
6:06 it's a mutual interacting exploitation 👌😅
If I don't have a positive self image how can I move forward ?
It's like you throw your map and compass and sailing in a vast ocean .
Please anybody respond if you have same or different thought
Realize that you are the ocean so toss away the rutter that steers you along and the boat holding you in a box of separation and even toss away the flesh (fat, skinny, dark, light) ....and see how suffering ceases. I Am That.
The title "if you have a self image you are going to be hurt"
For me my self image can shift from one thought to the next. I have a thought be it good or bad and I can dwell on it or allow it to pass. I am still moving forward. I still have to do all that is needed to survive. We can't all live in caves in the Himalayas. So we find means to keeping going. Yet at the same time I find bliss in not being placed in a box of good or bad.
It is only the SELF which creates fear in you that 'You will not move forward in life without positive self image'. In order to move forward in life, we need skills and definitely not the self image. If you notice, self image distract us in lot many ways from developing our skills. So, it actually limits us from moving forward.
Hi! I understand you.
The answer lies in answering the question for yourself 'Why do you need a positive image of yourself?' Once you have seen and stayed with all the reasons, you will see why it is better to stop cultivating such desires when you see the effect of all those reasons in your life and other's lives... And you will know what to do.
What kind of forward?
You need 'positive' things when you are filled with negative things, but why one has those negative things?
Or why does one need to identify something as positive or negative?
This is ALL the conditioning which has been put inside us since our childhood,
I actually see no point at this stage.
"One momento porfav..r" .... that was funny
Why does thought make images ? security.
but when thought looks into it it sees it,
it finds no security
Looks like psychlogists call this projection. And fixed self image would be persona in jungian terms
I see both perspectives as compatible. What K says as a way of escaping from oneself for fear to be (with) oneself.
@@regentogrin518 seems like there's just different wording, perspectives ain't differ much
The choice of this title. 🧡
🙏
The human heart and mind
I appreciate these talks. Regarding this particular topic, I wonder how this applies to the hurt we experience from the suffering of others. I imagine that our self image plays a significant part in our perception of it all, but it feels like this varies from the self-centered experience of hurt or flattery that is addressed here. I am also imagining that this particular talk is addressing the hurt or flattery of the ego, which I would distinguish from our feelings related to a collective experience. Does anyone know of any talks where Mr. Krishnamurti may address this concept?
Security lies in the denying of image.
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I am stuck because i think its not possible to live without any image about oneself, so i know i close the door, but i cannot be different, can anyone help? This man is tremendous profund
10:45
❤️😊
…GOING TO BE HURT..❤️
Capitalism is based on self and image
two things are for sure, he was a genius and he couldn’t listen to other people speak he’s interrupting all the time
Yes, I think you point out a weakness of his, and a failure to follow his own teaching in finding it so difficult to attentatively listen to other people.
Having said this, he himself reminds us not to take anyone else as a model or guru, not even himself.
I think he felt it instantly that those people had no serious inquiry whatsoever prior to their answers to Krishnamurti. Plus it was his teaching method. He allowed us to see the truth of the things by repeating. He gave us time to catch up. It is us who needs to listen. :D
Plus I think he was in great discomfort in his body on that day and still he gave the talk. :/
I think ; the point that JK dialogued requires complete attention without own interruption ; so can catch the gist of the matter
31 Aug 2021
Thought has no will. It’s not an individual. Thought is not looking for security, for thought is nobody, nothing, just _this_ present thought I am having while writing this stupid comment, etc.
There's an omission in the caption. "going to *be* hurt" has been given as "going be hurt". Do correct it.