The legend behind the "KA-BAR" knife was that in 1923 the company Union Cutlery Co. (which made the knives at the time) received a letter from a trapper that was poorly written, and one of the only things really legible was "to Kill A BeAR". Hence, KA-BAR. Personally, I'd prefer, at a minimum, a S&W modle 69 or a 460V.
If you're bringing a knife to a bear fight, it's best to just stab yourself in the throat to hopefully die quickly before the bear gets a hold of you. You're not going to take a bear down with a knife. even a knife fight against a human which doesn't have big long claws or outweigh you by several hundred lb or have enough muscle to make a car move sideways. if they decide to get frisky you're still going to get cut against a bear, it's going to be worse than that
Take bear spray and a firearm. Fact is if you have to shoot a Griz, depending on the state you are in, Game and fish as well as the Feds are going to investigate the shooting. As far as the Feds are concerned, that bear has more rights than you do.
@mikerobinson8734 A lot of your western states require you draw a tag for a certain unit to hunt in. Someone stumbles across a bear carcass and reports it, and then the investigation is under way. It's not a far fetched as it seems.
Well that guy is speaking for people poaching grizzly bears. Fact is people in bear videos have 44 or 500 Magnums in their hand ready to go all the time. If the bear puts your life in danger what can you do but defend yourself. It's different if the bear poses no danger to you.
I would say if you attract the bear by not following proper procedures, like improper storage of food or anything else that could attract the bear, then if you kill it... That might be a problem, especially if it's not trying to attack you and just wants the food. But your life is in danger you can shoot.
People have killed (or fought off) bears with knives, but I’m sure it was a fucking battle. Shane Major, Colin Dowler, Craig Lindstrom just to name a few.
@@Evancadeyes and all got mauled and were very lucky to have survived. So, not a reasonable advise to chose a knife. I am sure that there is one guy somewhere who has survived a bear attack by running naked towards the bear while screaming 😂
@@VRAS4570 The knife serves a couple dozen other survival needs that bear spray is useless for, and for self defense it's better than nothing. People with bear spray have been eaten also.
That's a little extreme. It depends where you're going and what kind of wildlife are located there. Not permitted to carry firearms in national parks btw. In those cases you have to think like an animal. It takes more than carrying a firearm on your person. Most predators will kill you from behind. You won't see them coming.
@sebastienbolduc5654 is Google not a thing where you're from? You can carry a gun in any state or federal Park. It's where you do business and money is exchanged federal and state buildings that you cannot bring a firearm. Or the self-preservation to protect you and your family in those type of situations, that is on you. And you're the type of people that die in these Wilderness scenarios. I am here to provide for my family and one of the number one rules is to make sure I get home to my family in any scenario. If that means that I need to have the largest f****** caliber on Earth so be it and I Don't Care What scenario if it's a Concrete Jungle or a wooded one I'm here to f*** s*** up. Not the other way around... And let me tell you there's no law that's going to state that I can't protect myself from anything. So you keep letting those paper signs and words infringing on your rights you keep being a sheep... I'm a man and I stand up for the right to stay on this planet as God intended.. as long as f****** possible....
@sebastienbolduc5654 also it is clear by your last two sentences that you've never been hunting nor you go in the wilderness at all unless it's on a concrete Trail... get bent hippie
@sebastienbolduc5654 it's quite evident you do not read very well... my initial post States depending on what Woods is depending on what firearm that you would bring. So yes it does depend if you're going into woods with bears you might need a 7mm. If you're going into woods with a mountain lion a 243win might be just fine. But you stating any type of facts with that type of logic just makes you look like an idiot.
My uncle used to bow hunt bear and he said their group had a rule, nothing less that a .44 mag on your hip. And you hunt in pairs, the partner carries a big rifle just in case.
@@alhassirakhdugani5813 definitely recommend hard cast lead bullets or solid copper bullets for good penetration. Personally I’m fan Underwood ammunition it’s quite hot ammo.
@@alhassirakhdugani5813absolutely! People worry about round count with the 44 mag I say just carry 2!! I’d rather carry that extra weight than be mauled by a bear!
A 9mm for a bear? Hell, my neighbor used to go bow hunting for wild pigs and he'd borrow my .357 magnum ....just in case things got rowdy. Bears are WAY faster than most people realize.
@@JohnRice992exactly the only thing that a person has against a grizzly is the ability to climb and not many people can climb and still if the tree is to small the bear and push it over
34mph I believe is the fastest recorded speed of a brown bear avg of 30 best chance if trying to out run is running parallel on a side hill they have trouble running on uneven ground there have been multiple instances of men killing bears with knives although they certainly didn't walk away unharmed most of them didn't walk away at all one guy crawled like 3/4 of a mile to His vehicle
I carry my 9 in the woods here but all the bears are up North Tennessee so we really only worry about bobcats, mountain lions(that almost never want anything to do with any human) and snakes. At least where I'm at in Tennessee anyway. Any time I'm going into bear country though, hard cast 10mm is the only real choice.
@@atleastimtrying5391 may i introduce you to the mossberg nightstick? it can shoot slug, buck, bird and if things are real bad even a flare. can a battle rifle do that?
@@200130769 The bear, when on top of a person, is on all fours. They can dig into you with their hind legs. Bears stand on two legs to reach food, for marking territory, and intimidation. Otherwise they use all four limbs. Ever see a dog cover his shit? Imagine that being a bear whose rear claws are on your lower body.
9mm has been used successfully against an Alaskan Brown Bear using hard cast Buffalo Bore ammo. Also, the 10mm is gaining ground in bear defense in Alaska….who have to live more more often with the threat of bear attacks. Just sayin’.
@@jeremybriggs1707 I've lived in the woods all my life. I am telling other people to train and practice. Without good shot placement even a deer could survive a shot from a 30-06 taken from 100 yrds.. so stop thinking you got one over on me with that backhanded comment
"Grizzly bears" are an entire valid reason (of many) why restrictions on sawn-off shotguns are inexcusably stupid. Rifled slugs, and if you gotta shoot once, then shoot 'til it's dry.
I don't think I'm winning a knife fight with a grizzly. I'm not even confident i could beat one with a gun if it really wanted my nuts and I didn't have a massive advantage.
In bear country one should wear little bells on their shoes so the bear can hear them. Carry pepper spray and watch out for bear scat you can tell bear scat it has little bells in it and smells like pepper.
Hearing people not dealing with bears debate bear cartridges is one of my favorites. First, a gun preserves your life, a knife preserves your legacy!! Joking aside, your ability with the firearm out weighs the technical performance of it being 20% more or less of other options. For example, if you have a Glock 17 and thousands of rounds/reps with it, how much better is a 44 revolver which you have no time with? Assuming the correct ammunition choice, obviously. I’ve been carrying a Glock 19/17/45 since 2016 in AK. Bears aren’t normally a huge part of my concern, and when they are I typically carry a long gun. Something like a Glock 20 makes a lot of sense if bears are a bigger part of your math equation, but for most people that’s a tiny part of your firearms realistic purpose. A couple boxes of “outdoorsman” from buffalo bore and some time getting your “poi” sorted out with it is a much more practical thing for many compared to new gun, mags, presentation, recoil pattern, holsters ammunition, time at the range etc. then carry a scattergun with slugs/000 buck or a rifle when it is a genuine concern to family safety. That’s what we do at least.
@@kamaeqthat’s exactly right. Unfortunately, a long gun can really screw with things socially, even in the woods. I’ve had conversations in the field with tourists and they were obviously not super comfortable that I was armed openly at first. After a few minutes, just normal conversation about cool places to check out or shop and eat but people have to get a “feel” for you and the first few moments I don’t particularly prefer lol it’s the one thing that makes me consider getting a larger handgun haha
I'm an outfitter in Montana, never carried bear spray! If the wind is in your face, you're fucked! Smith and Wesson 329 ultralite! 305 grain HSM Bear loads! End of story!
People really really underestimate how overpowering of a predator a grizzly bear is. Ya know that image in your head of a grizzly bear, double it, they are almost always way bigger than you imagine if you’ve never seen one up close.
couple of fun facts, bear spray, is more effective at stopping bears than a gun. 9mm has the most confirmed bear stops of any handgun caliber because it's so commonly carried.
Statistics are the most deceptive facts. Most people informed enough on bears to carry a 10mm or .44 Mag, also know how to avoid being attacked in the first place. 9mm and bear spray are commonly carried, and by people who might not know how to avoid an attack. So they have more stops credited to them. Not making an argument against bear spray, it’s a good tool that’s accessible for everyone. Just pointing out that statistics by themselves are weird and misleading.
@greganderson6371 it's not weird or misleading statisticaly most people miss their first shot in suprise situations, and when a bear is charging at you at 30 miles per hour, most people wont get a second shot. in fact, smith ( 2012) showed no significant difference in bear attack survival between unarmed people and people armed with firearms in instances between 1880-2008,
No, the stats are very misleading, Like I said in another comment, there's two types of bear encounters, predatory and non predatory, it's been shown that bear spray has zero effect on predatory bear attacks, much like a bear going for some honey, they'll take the hit and just keep going after you because they view you as food, problem is, a bear isn't going to yell at you and tell you it's planning on eating you, so you're really only going to have time to grab either the gun or the bear spray as it's charging at you, I don't know about you but I think it's probably better to just grab the gun every time than risk getting eaten...so why even carry bear spray at that point?
@rantional8180 you're making stuff up. The studies looked at around 200 attacks each they didn't differentiate because it would be impossible to definitely tell which is which and it dosnt really matter because the type of attack wouldn't influence the type of defense used if what you are saying wete true it would negatively affect the bear spray efficacy. the most common cause of attack is a mother bear defending cubs. you find any evidence that bearspray is not effective against so-called "predatory" bear attacks, and I'll believe you. and that doesn't discount the other study that showed no statistical differences between armed bear encounters and unarmed encounters.
@@shelp7858 th-cam.com/video/WASFQh13Dj8/w-d-xo.html but I suggest you actually take the time and read actual studies instead of reports on this topic....This is something I've had an interest in for 30 years due to spending most of my life in the backcountry. I honestly, don't care if you believe me or not, it's your neck on the line, not mine. do what you want, just don't claim you were never warned.
I agree with you, knife is stupid. We live in an area with a high density population of Grizzlies and our neighbor's kid was attacked. The father had a .44 emptied his clip in the bear, and it still kept attacking his poor kid. Once a Grizzly charges, that adrenaline is real strong and it's not the only case where Grizzlies have been clip dumped on with high calibers and just kept on going. This bear later died but, unfortunately, it was after he finished his attack. If a clip of .44 doesn't always stop it, and I just had a knife, I'd probably just accept I'm dead. Bear spray is nice to have as well, though in stories Ive heard, it is most affective pre-charge (more when the bear is just wandering too close). Fairly effective though, same as guns.
That’s why 10mm beats .44. You can get way more shots off in a shorter time. 10mm hardcast full power loads are no small thing. Guns gear and outdoors Alaska did a video pitting the two against one another and whil I think .44 is cooler, 10mm is better as a woods gun.
Wile I would agree with you except for the fact that you often only have a chance to get one or so shots off I’d rather the 44 magnum for that situation personally I carry both bc why not I guess we will see Wich one I reach for first if it happens lmao
@@dantetress9379I value your opinion and agree somewhat a 10mm is a decent gun. They hang up too much for me but still ok gun. I've been shooting my whole life. Got my first shotgun when I was 6 and my uncle had every gun ever made in a special bunker in his back yard with more ammo than we could shoot up shooting almost every day. When I go in the woods rather it's bear country or deer country I carry either my . 44 or my python 357. Neither will ever jam or hang up but in your defense I only need one shot. I've never missed in my life and I've shot things charging at me that would turn a black man white. Lol credit : Richard Pryor I would never carry an automatic pistol as my life or death gun and this is just my opinion because I was shot because I was tossed a 9mm in a gun fight and stupid me trusted my life with that gun and stepped around the corner to end the fight and when I pulled the trigger I hit one and went to fire at the second and the slide wasn't closed after ejecting the first shell. Then I received a bullet in my right chest area.
I fairly certain 10mm would be a solid choice as well. Actual 10mm, not that 10mm cartridge loaded to .40 pressures that most of them apparently are. Plus, I'd take 10-15rds of 10mm over 6rds of .44 any day.
The Danish Navy's SIRUS Patrol in Greenland agrees with the use of 10mm caliber Glock for bears. As they chose the Glock model 20 for defense against Polar Bears.
@@michaelkruk3415 They are the site of many bear attacks.Wtf you mean warzone?Its the damn wilderness.People should absolutely be able to carry in national parks where bears are present.
"These bear being so hard to die rather intimidates us all. I must confess that I do not like the gentlemen and would rather fight two Indians than one bear" -Meriwether Lewis May 11, 1805
Not really when you actually dig into the data, the stats only look that way because most bear encounters are non predatory bear encounters, as such, bear spray gives a false sense of security because the bear never had the intention of eating you in the first place. It's been shown that with predatory bears that bear spray is effectively useless as like a bear digging for honey and getting stung by bees, the desire for food outweighs the temporary pain of the spray, they will take the hit and continue to attack. There's a multitude of reports of this happening but like I said, predatory bear encounters are rare so the statistics you're pointing to are misleading and create a false sense of security. The real problem here is you don't know if the bear you come across is predatory or not and you will only have time to grab your gun or your spray, so you can do what you want but I'm just going to reach for my gun everytime just incase it's one of those rare instances of a predatory bear.
@@rantional8180yeah, but weren’t these statistics not even at all comparable fairly? As in there were deaths with empty bear spray cans that didn’t get counted, but then attacks with a firearm did get counted? Similarly like most of those firearm statistics a shot wasn’t even fired, or it didn’t hit. Whereas the bear spray didn’t get counted if it didn’t hit them. I’m pretty sure I remember reading them and they weren’t even fair to compare at all. Using both those statistics for what they’re worth it just shows I’d still trust a 9mm more.
So I was in Norway delivering cargo as a Marine. Skipping some details, we had 2 mini coopers (the bigger 4 door ones) rental car. Driving back late after escorting trucks, you had 2 marines and a corpsman in the lead one, and myself and another marine in the second-with me driving This long stretch of dark country, we’re having fun and next thing I know the lead vechile is fishtailing and tires screaming. As im about to reach for a radio I see a blur off to my right as we both come to a stop. Lead vehicle hit a fucking moose. Just barely caught it, thankfully. The moose got up and darted off into the darkness. Anyways; the corpsman from the lead vehicle whips out a little CRKT folding knife and is like “do we need to go put it down?” “Yeah bro.. let’s go find this 1500lb animal in the dark and stab it with a 2 inch blade” 🤦♂️ shit was wild
generally if you get attacked by a bear you might get a few shots off and they’re probably not going to be accurate. yeah a 9 can kill it but can you really send multiple rounds accurately at a 1000lb behemoth charging at you from a close distance? probably not.
@@ogloc6308 there’s also been zero recorded bear attacks after taking a 9mm to the dome. They did a bunch of test on this even a glancing hit would chip part of it’s face off. It’s still just flesh and bone…
@@gorkyd7912no you won't. Bears are too fast. You'll only get like 2 shots off no matter what you're shooting before the bear is on top of you. Not hard to get proficient with a 44 mag.
Actually, while not ideal the .327 federal magnum and 9x19mm have loads from Buffalo bore that are proven big bear stoppers and droppers. What they sell is actually proven to do what they claim. They have a hot .327 fed 130 grain Keith type hard cast load that will as they say " perforate a large bears skull " and be used for typical"solids" type situations. They also have a 9mm 147 grain hard cast +p round nose wide flat meplat. This was specifically mentioned in a video I was watching about Alaskan guided fishing trips and how dude left his. 357 at home and only had a 9mm on him. His clients got attacked and the guide saved them with 3 shots in the bears vitals from a quartering on shot and two side shots. The shoulder was smashed and all three bullets where recovered ,laying up against the hide on the far side of the animal. Again, it's not ideal by any means, but they will both work despite both being far smaller than most would consider able to drop a bear. Ammunition choice goes well beyond basics and the right bullet designs, velocity windows and bullet hardness' make vast differences in what a cartridge is capable of. It's not always apparent or even common sense as to what and why things work ballistically These are things that are worth while to have for just in case or if you can't get anything else. You get a box and make sure they feed and find point of impact ,then load a magazine or two or speed loader or two and tuck those away in your go to outdoor gear. Hiking pack, back pack, tackle box , ect. That way you have them if you forgot your more powerful stuff .
This is saying nothing. A bow and arrow is a big bear stopper if you hit the heart. Any ammo will kill a bear, 22LR will kill it with perfect placement. So it's a question of whether you personally prefer to carry more ammo or have a larger caliber with more expansion to improve the limitation of your aim.
9mm doesn't appear to be any less effective than other calibers. 98% of defensive shootings with pistols are successful, and 9mm has been used numerous times to stop attacks. Look at the ammoland stats.
@@drewbradford5403I think some do, not completely sure though. I know they can come in 10mm through which is cool, I haven’t looked into the 10mm round but I have a friend that says it’s amazing.
Yeah… Grizzlies and Polar Bear are way too overpowered. Well Short Faced Bear went to extinct back in Ice Age. Well Short Faced Bear is even more size twice than Polar Bear. So yeah Short Faced Bear is even way highly overpowered.
There was a recent study released that said I believe it was firearms of any type was 98% effective at deterring a bear and .40 cal and larger was even more effective. I can't remember who put it out but I believe it was a 40 year study.
It can depend on the bear. It's documented that black bears have been dispatched by .40 fairly easily due to being on the small side of the bear spectrum.
@AldentheBlue I don't think it was a kill study as even .22s were used and effective, but the .40 and larger were noted as being much more lethal to the bears, yes.
@@chrisheitstuman6360 I think the noise alone would scare a bear off and if you get a few head shots, I don’t think the bear is going to be moving for much longer
This guy does not know bear spray should always be a tool in the arsenal in addition to firearms. I think he is going to meet a bad end with his foolishness in the woods.
Being Alaskan all my life. Stainless 12 guage with slugs, 500 or 44 full metal jackets and bear spray. First and foremost though is to make noise always and never wear earbuds or headphones.
@@baconatoromg6062nobody who shoots brown bears regularly would even consider doing so with a 10mm. Yes plenty of people on the internet tell others that the 10mm is the the first choice for bear protection. Yes plenty of bears have been shot with a 10mm. If it's the biggest hand gun you have, use it. Nobody thinks the 30-30 is a good brown bear gun but it has 3x the energy of a 10mm.
Dudes completely right but he missed one aspect at the end grizzly bear skulls and their hide are extremely thick. Even if you hit all those shots on the head, what if they all deflect off and just make it more angry...
Ummm I believe its Buffalo Bore that makes a 9mm +p+ outdoorsman I believe its called and an Alaskan guide took a grizzly down with his Smith and Wesson. So you are just speculating and not speaking from experience. Also you just said 9mm to make your point. Why didn't you say .44 magnum? Also he didn't shoot it in the head although he wanted too.
Read a story about a guy who didn’t even use his bear spray, got attacked , halfway through the attack the bear slashed or bit into his can of previously useless spray, bear left INSTANTLY. The guy survived with fairly minor injuries. After that it was no question, if something can be that useful even unopened and out of reach, it’s worth bringing every time.
Another thing is unfortunately for you, if you end up in a situation where you are in a physical fight with the bear, you shoot and kill it, and you live and are wounded badly, you STILL get federally charged even if it was actually self defense. National Parks and Wildlife will always pick the animal over people lol
I suggest you carry BOTH!! Look at the attack stats. Gun carriers do get mauled. I’ve seen 7 shots into a charging bear. And it still got the guy. He lived. But the bear got to him before it died on top of him. Spray isn’t a sure thing either. You can’t spray against the wind and blind yourself. But don’t keep either in your pack!!!! Keep it 5 seconds away. And even that might not be enough time.
My step brother was trapping coyotes in British Columbia, Canada, and a brown bear/grizzly bear got the drop on him. The dude was raked across the chest twice(with scars to prove it), and was pinned to the ground with his main hand in the bears mouth. He managed to get to his knife with his off hand. He now has its claws on a necklace. Afterwards, he started packing a .357 magnum.
Phil shoemaker killed a large sow grizzly in defense with a small 9mm loaded with 147 hard cast with six shots from roughly eight feet. Bear handgun defense is more a matter of precision not power. In ammolands study of handgun bear defense cases, all cases 9mm and up were successful except one .357 case where the geologist missed all of his shots. Im not advocating 9mm, but you also dont need +p+ heavy 44 magnum. You need a handgun you are proficient with, can hit with, and that is loaded with deep penetrating ammo. Stay safe folks.
While knives are obviously the 2nd choice here, having one in case your gun becomes unfeasible is still a good idea. Question: Is there a use case for pressurized CO2 anti-shark knives as an anti-bear weapon? What if you had a dual tube knife that expelled pressurized gas as well as bear mace at the same time? That way if the trauma from the knife is insufficient maybe the mace will ward off the bear.
People don't realize how fast a bear is. An adult grizzly bear can run up to 35 mph and weigh upwards of a thousand pounds. Put that into perspective, a professional linebacker can weigh over 300 lb and run a sub 5 second 40-yard dash with an impressive speed of around 20 miles per hour. With the bear almost doubling that speed, that means that you have an animal potentially weighing over a thousand pounds that is capable of clearing 40 yd in less than 2.5 seconds. How long do you think it would take for your brain to process to pull your gun in the first place, get a good bead on said animal and then finally getting off rounds into its head while it is moving in an unpredictable pattern as they are well known for running into the tree line and flanking you. You have a much higher survivability rate with bear spray.
@@braydenshafford342 it's better to have a 9mm shooting hardcast lead because you can actually make quick follow up shots and still be on target. It's not a one and done show what ever your shooting when a bear is charging. Plan on a quick string of shots.
Bears come back and lick bear spray off of where it’s been sprayed it’s only effective for a few minutes at best. Also the bears associate bear bells with food in a lot of places now. All you people thinking bear spray is the best option have never seen a grizzly rip aluminum plane floats to shreds that were covered in bear spray and it shows 😂
@@braydenshafford342 or seen a grizzly do exactly what you stated with a dead elk in its mouth. I’ve first hand seen 12 gauge slugs bounce off their skull and they expect me to trust my life to some aerosolized franks red hot. Yea I don’t Fuckin think so 😂
Bear spray has a better percentage chance of stopping a grizzly. Them's the numbers. As a firearms owner, enthusiast, and lover, that hurts me to say, but it's the truth. Knife v grizzly = Darwin award. Bear spray puts out a cloud that makes a sawed-off shotgun look like a laser. In a sudden, high- stress situation, after 32 years in the military, I trust my loved ones to me with bear spray, backed up with a 12 gauge 3 inch magnum with slugs.
People say carrying the extra weight in the deep woods is just plain crazy, but I still carry bear spray, a 44 Mag carbine, a Bowie knife, a garrotte, and wear both body armor and an old claymore mine strapped on top of the chest plate with a printed label saying "BEAR" pasted over the cast in word: "ENEMY". Not at all true, but it sounds cool in an "over the top" way.
.44 Magnum both agree on. The first guy is really knowledgeable about survival and everything woods related. He says dont waste your time w the bear spray, and never mentioned a 9 mm. all he said was "knife or gun." What about a .357 Magnum? What do yall think? No cartridge & only 6 shots, but no jamming either.
Interestingly enough, i read an article that said statistically more bears are killed with 9mm in Alaska than any other handgun caliber. It's clearly not the best choice but it is the most common caliber.
Carry both, bear spray is cool but it only lasts a few seconds and is stored in a pressurized container. If it ever gets damaged on a hike and loses its pressure, or if its a windy day you're pretty much screwed.
I carry both. Even with a powerful enough firearm, there are times when it's literally safer to use the bearspray instead of the gun. I happen to value my life and I'll take every precaution to keep myself alive.
There's a site that catalogs all defensive handgun use vs bears and you're 100% wrong about 9mm it's close to 100% effective even with grizzlies. Actually it shows that caliber in general is irrelevant and the unsuccessful instances were mostly due to missing and not due to the caliber being insufficient.
If you are using a knife against a bear, that bear is too damn close, and is doing some serious damage to you. Clearly this guy is a candidate for the Darwin award.
One knife against a bear? That bear has ten knives on its paws and if you're in close enough proximity to use your one knife, it's gonna rip you to shreds.
My dad took me hunting every year starting at the age of 8. We only hunted with compound bows going after Elk and Deer mainly. We ALWAYS had our .357 Magnum or Trooper on us. He gave me surprise drills of what we called “Drop and Draw”. It’s simple; the second you see a bear, drop your bow between you and the bear, draw your firearm and unload. If possible try to utilize large things ie rocks, trees, dirt mounds, stumps, blowdowns, thick vegetation etc as this will create somewhat of an obstacle. Never walk backwards as any trip would surely cause the end of you. From my experience all of the bears (mainly Black) I came close to had no interest in me and were more afraid of me than I them. I am more terrified of Elk than bears. Not only can they be a foot in front of you and literally disappear faster than you can blink, but their foreheads are basically indestructible. Have you ever seen a bow with a 85lb pull draw strength shooting broad heads that just bounce off as well as high caliber rifle rounds? Elk can be absolutely terrifying
It’s been discovered by grizzlies hunters that 44mag doesn’t always penetrate deep enough. Being penetration is the name of the game for grizzly 10mm hard cast is the right choice. Not 44
Heres my logic. Pepper spry doesnt stop people if they really want you. Bear spray wont stop bear if he wants you. Knife gives you fighting chance if your being attacked. People have fought off a bear with a onife before and survived
I've seen bears charged through bear spray. If I'm in a forest that has a bear population where I am at then I'm probably carrying several firearms and I don't ever go anywhere without a knife.
9mms have in fact been used successfully against griz. There was a study of about forty defensive pistol incidents, and neither of the two failures was 9mm, while several successful uses were noted.
I disagree with both of you. You don't have to kill it to protect yourself. And don't go anywhere unless you're prepared to be able to protect yourself from everything. And you don't know what a 9mm can do.
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This dude thinks he’s gonna use a knife against a bear 😂
The legend behind the "KA-BAR" knife was that in 1923 the company Union Cutlery Co. (which made the knives at the time) received a letter from a trapper that was poorly written, and one of the only things really legible was "to Kill A BeAR". Hence, KA-BAR. Personally, I'd prefer, at a minimum, a S&W modle 69 or a 460V.
If you're bringing a knife to a bear fight, it's best to just stab yourself in the throat to hopefully die quickly before the bear gets a hold of you. You're not going to take a bear down with a knife. even a knife fight against a human which doesn't have big long claws or outweigh you by several hundred lb or have enough muscle to make a car move sideways. if they decide to get frisky you're still going to get cut against a bear, it's going to be worse than that
That bears claws are almost as long as the knife!!
Cant wait for someone to 'test' that theory on video🍿@@Asura-fw6ei
I mean. Better than finger nails. But you better know what you doing with it and you better have a sharp one.
Never bring a knife to a bear fight.
I would say instead
Don't _only_ bring a knife to a bear fight.
Naw, if you can't win with just a knife, you're not a real man... 😂
I fought a guy and he broke a knife on me it just made me more pissed off.
@@imabott7053 the high IQ move, if you're ever in a bear fight
Is to be the guy with the bear
Never get into a bear fight.
10mm with hard cast or extreme penetrators for the bears. "9 for the hoods,10 for the woods"
Got my Glock 20 10mm from Three Bears in Tok, AK. Guy told me it was good for “bears and bandits” lol
@Troutbum87 look up glock 20/21 conversions. You can put like 6 different rounds through that frame. The 21 slide will fit right onto it.
9 for the hoods😂
“9 for the hoods and 10 for the woods” 😂 stealing that
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Bear spray, 44. Mag, a crucifix and a Bible. I'm taking NO chances with the woods.
joke's on you, the bear is not religious
@@hazardeur oh it ain't for the bear
@@MrMustang1116
Blessed Rosery (the spiritual equivalent of a gun) and Holy Water and Blessed Salt go with in in my wilderness treks.
Absolutely!!
😂 Well said
Take bear spray and a firearm. Fact is if you have to shoot a Griz, depending on the state you are in, Game and fish as well as the Feds are going to investigate the shooting. As far as the Feds are concerned, that bear has more rights than you do.
I’ve heard this before and it’s a dumb argument. You’re in the woods. No one would know you killed a bear unless you snitched on yourself.
@mikerobinson8734 A lot of your western states require you draw a tag for a certain unit to hunt in. Someone stumbles across a bear carcass and reports it, and then the investigation is under way. It's not a far fetched as it seems.
@@mikerobinson8734facts. I have second hand stories of this exact thing. No one's in prison after the occurrence
Well that guy is speaking for people poaching grizzly bears. Fact is people in bear videos have 44 or 500 Magnums in their hand ready to go all the time.
If the bear puts your life in danger what can you do but defend yourself.
It's different if the bear poses no danger to you.
I would say if you attract the bear by not following proper procedures, like improper storage of food or anything else that could attract the bear, then if you kill it... That might be a problem, especially if it's not trying to attack you and just wants the food.
But your life is in danger you can shoot.
This dude really suggested a knife for a bear, man lost all credibility as soon as he chose knife over bear spray.
use both
People have killed (or fought off) bears with knives, but I’m sure it was a fucking battle.
Shane Major, Colin Dowler, Craig Lindstrom just to name a few.
Bears are afraid of the people they most often run away if they see you. Knife is there only for the emotional support.
@@Evancadeyes and all got mauled and were very lucky to have survived. So, not a reasonable advise to chose a knife. I am sure that there is one guy somewhere who has survived a bear attack by running naked towards the bear while screaming 😂
@@VRAS4570 The knife serves a couple dozen other survival needs that bear spray is useless for, and for self defense it's better than nothing. People with bear spray have been eaten also.
Never enter the woods without a firearm capable of killing the biggest predator in those woods plain and simple
Definitely not wrong!
That's a little extreme. It depends where you're going and what kind of wildlife are located there. Not permitted to carry firearms in national parks btw. In those cases you have to think like an animal. It takes more than carrying a firearm on your person. Most predators will kill you from behind. You won't see them coming.
@sebastienbolduc5654 is Google not a thing where you're from? You can carry a gun in any state or federal Park. It's where you do business and money is exchanged federal and state buildings that you cannot bring a firearm. Or the self-preservation to protect you and your family in those type of situations, that is on you. And you're the type of people that die in these Wilderness scenarios. I am here to provide for my family and one of the number one rules is to make sure I get home to my family in any scenario. If that means that I need to have the largest f****** caliber on Earth so be it and I Don't Care What scenario if it's a Concrete Jungle or a wooded one I'm here to f*** s*** up. Not the other way around...
And let me tell you there's no law that's going to state that I can't protect myself from anything. So you keep letting those paper signs and words infringing on your rights you keep being a sheep... I'm a man and I stand up for the right to stay on this planet as God intended.. as long as f****** possible....
@sebastienbolduc5654 also it is clear by your last two sentences that you've never been hunting nor you go in the wilderness at all unless it's on a concrete Trail... get bent hippie
@sebastienbolduc5654 it's quite evident you do not read very well... my initial post States depending on what Woods is depending on what firearm that you would bring. So yes it does depend if you're going into woods with bears you might need a 7mm. If you're going into woods with a mountain lion a 243win might be just fine. But you stating any type of facts with that type of logic just makes you look like an idiot.
I’m definitely carrying both bear spray and firearm in at least 10mm
My uncle used to bow hunt bear and he said their group had a rule, nothing less that a .44 mag on your hip. And you hunt in pairs, the partner carries a big rifle just in case.
@@alhassirakhdugani5813 definitely recommend hard cast lead bullets or solid copper bullets for good penetration. Personally I’m fan Underwood ammunition it’s quite hot ammo.
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@@alhassirakhdugani5813absolutely! People worry about round count with the 44 mag I say just carry 2!! I’d rather carry that extra weight than be mauled by a bear!
What about an AK-47
Under the constitution, you are legally allowed to carry any weapon, open or concealed in ANY location. All gun laws are unconstitutional
And you know who doesn't care about the Constitution? The govt.
Fun fact. You can carry everywhere. Won't catch me lackin
You can't carry firearms in National Parks, even in the U.S. 😅
Ill eagle is just a sick bird.
@michaelkruk3415 you can definitely carry in a national park depending on local laws.
@@michaelkruk3415you don’t understand. He isn’t asking permission.
@@cdevidal Goood luck staying out of prison.
Who the hell wants hand to hand combat with a bear😭
Mystical got these dudes believing they're Rambo. 😂
nah i'd win
Heihachi. Haven't you ever played Tekken? lol
Arthur Morgan, he needs the grin and bear it achievement
Mfs with a god complex there about to find out they aren’t invincible
A 9mm for a bear? Hell, my neighbor used to go bow hunting for wild pigs and he'd borrow my .357 magnum ....just in case things got rowdy. Bears are WAY faster than most people realize.
They run at approximate 30 mile per hour. Fastest man is recorded at 27.3 mph.
@@JohnRice992exactly the only thing that a person has against a grizzly is the ability to climb and not many people can climb and still if the tree is to small the bear and push it over
My father always said 44 for 4 legs and 357 for anything less.
34mph I believe is the fastest recorded speed of a brown bear avg of 30 best chance if trying to out run is running parallel on a side hill they have trouble running on uneven ground there have been multiple instances of men killing bears with knives although they certainly didn't walk away unharmed most of them didn't walk away at all one guy crawled like 3/4 of a mile to His vehicle
@@damianolsen6763grizzly cab still climb any tree strong enough to gold em but you climb they'll usually just wait you out till you fall then eat you
9mm for the Hoods, 10mm for Woods.
True 😂
I carry my 9 in the woods here but all the bears are up North Tennessee so we really only worry about bobcats, mountain lions(that almost never want anything to do with any human) and snakes. At least where I'm at in Tennessee anyway. Any time I'm going into bear country though, hard cast 10mm is the only real choice.
many comments on 10mm??
like the leader of the free world says "get a shotgun" you really don't need a handgun.
@@alaricbarber3680 At that point a 308 battle rifle makes for a better choice if you’re choosing a full-size weapon platform.
@@atleastimtrying5391 may i introduce you to the mossberg nightstick?
it can shoot slug, buck, bird and if things are real bad even a flare. can a battle rifle do that?
Little does he know a bear has like 10 of those knives attached to it
20 😂 he has 4 huge ass feet!
@jeepjake6969 how is it going to be stabbing you with it's hind legs?
@@200130769 The bear, when on top of a person, is on all fours. They can dig into you with their hind legs. Bears stand on two legs to reach food, for marking territory, and intimidation. Otherwise they use all four limbs. Ever see a dog cover his shit? Imagine that being a bear whose rear claws are on your lower body.
Don't forget to carry lots of sharply worded insults... Bears have feelings too. 👍🏼
Remember also, bears take consent very seriously. A firm "No, bear!" Should suffice
@@activatekruger446 As long as it's not a Weinstein bear. 😂
🙂😃😄😁😆😅🤣😂👍
9mm has been used successfully against an Alaskan Brown Bear using hard cast Buffalo Bore ammo. Also, the 10mm is gaining ground in bear defense in Alaska….who have to live more more often with the threat of bear attacks. Just sayin’.
How do you do that?
@@jeremybriggs1707 mag dump
@@jeremybriggs1707 shot placement.
@@blueridgeocean keep telling yourself that.
@@jeremybriggs1707 I've lived in the woods all my life. I am telling other people to train and practice.
Without good shot placement even a deer could survive a shot from a 30-06 taken from 100 yrds.. so stop thinking you got one over on me with that backhanded comment
"Grizzly bears" are an entire valid reason (of many) why restrictions on sawn-off shotguns are inexcusably stupid. Rifled slugs, and if you gotta shoot once, then shoot 'til it's dry.
Sawing off a shotgun is for tards. Short barreled shotguns are for non tards.
12 gauge with a birds head grip and 12” barrel is great for the woods and legal in Canada
I don't think I'm winning a knife fight with a grizzly. I'm not even confident i could beat one with a gun if it really wanted my nuts and I didn't have a massive advantage.
In bear country one should wear little bells on their shoes so the bear can hear them. Carry pepper spray and watch out for bear scat you can tell bear scat it has little bells in it and smells like pepper.
Where does he say 9mm? He says gun. In no situation would anyone who suggests carrying a firearm for bear protection, suggest a 9mm
Hearing people not dealing with bears debate bear cartridges is one of my favorites. First, a gun preserves your life, a knife preserves your legacy!! Joking aside, your ability with the firearm out weighs the technical performance of it being 20% more or less of other options.
For example, if you have a Glock 17 and thousands of rounds/reps with it, how much better is a 44 revolver which you have no time with? Assuming the correct ammunition choice, obviously.
I’ve been carrying a Glock 19/17/45 since 2016 in AK. Bears aren’t normally a huge part of my concern, and when they are I typically carry a long gun.
Something like a Glock 20 makes a lot of sense if bears are a bigger part of your math equation, but for most people that’s a tiny part of your firearms realistic purpose. A couple boxes of “outdoorsman” from buffalo bore and some time getting your “poi” sorted out with it is a much more practical thing for many compared to new gun, mags, presentation, recoil pattern, holsters ammunition, time at the range etc. then carry a scattergun with slugs/000 buck or a rifle when it is a genuine concern to family safety. That’s what we do at least.
Old advice: You carry a pistol when you don't expect to need a firearm. When you plan to need one, you bring a long arm.
@@kamaeqthat’s exactly right. Unfortunately, a long gun can really screw with things socially, even in the woods. I’ve had conversations in the field with tourists and they were obviously not super comfortable that I was armed openly at first. After a few minutes, just normal conversation about cool places to check out or shop and eat but people have to get a “feel” for you and the first few moments I don’t particularly prefer lol it’s the one thing that makes me consider getting a larger handgun haha
@douglasmilburn3875, Those are the people who will most likely need u to rescue them.
I'm an outfitter in Montana, never carried bear spray! If the wind is in your face, you're fucked! Smith and Wesson 329 ultralite! 305 grain HSM Bear loads! End of story!
People really really underestimate how overpowering of a predator a grizzly bear is. Ya know that image in your head of a grizzly bear, double it, they are almost always way bigger than you imagine if you’ve never seen one up close.
People don't understand how stealthy bears and other animals are.
As an Alaskan carry all 3. Might have to use all 3 bc bears are tough af.
couple of fun facts, bear spray, is more effective at stopping bears than a gun. 9mm has the most confirmed bear stops of any handgun caliber because it's so commonly carried.
Statistics are the most deceptive facts. Most people informed enough on bears to carry a 10mm or .44 Mag, also know how to avoid being attacked in the first place. 9mm and bear spray are commonly carried, and by people who might not know how to avoid an attack. So they have more stops credited to them. Not making an argument against bear spray, it’s a good tool that’s accessible for everyone. Just pointing out that statistics by themselves are weird and misleading.
@greganderson6371 it's not weird or misleading statisticaly most people miss their first shot in suprise situations, and when a bear is charging at you at 30 miles per hour, most people wont get a second shot. in fact, smith ( 2012) showed no significant difference in bear attack survival between unarmed people and people armed with firearms in instances between 1880-2008,
No, the stats are very misleading, Like I said in another comment, there's two types of bear encounters, predatory and non predatory, it's been shown that bear spray has zero effect on predatory bear attacks, much like a bear going for some honey, they'll take the hit and just keep going after you because they view you as food, problem is, a bear isn't going to yell at you and tell you it's planning on eating you, so you're really only going to have time to grab either the gun or the bear spray as it's charging at you, I don't know about you but I think it's probably better to just grab the gun every time than risk getting eaten...so why even carry bear spray at that point?
@rantional8180 you're making stuff up. The studies looked at around 200 attacks each they didn't differentiate because it would be impossible to definitely tell which is which and it dosnt really matter because the type of attack wouldn't influence the type of defense used if what you are saying wete true it would negatively affect the bear spray efficacy. the most common cause of attack is a mother bear defending cubs. you find any evidence that bearspray is not effective against so-called "predatory" bear attacks, and I'll believe you. and that doesn't discount the other study that showed no statistical differences between armed bear encounters and unarmed encounters.
@@shelp7858 th-cam.com/video/WASFQh13Dj8/w-d-xo.html
but I suggest you actually take the time and read actual studies instead of reports on this topic....This is something I've had an interest in for 30 years due to spending most of my life in the backcountry.
I honestly, don't care if you believe me or not, it's your neck on the line, not mine. do what you want, just don't claim you were never warned.
I agree with you, knife is stupid. We live in an area with a high density population of Grizzlies and our neighbor's kid was attacked. The father had a .44 emptied his clip in the bear, and it still kept attacking his poor kid. Once a Grizzly charges, that adrenaline is real strong and it's not the only case where Grizzlies have been clip dumped on with high calibers and just kept on going. This bear later died but, unfortunately, it was after he finished his attack. If a clip of .44 doesn't always stop it, and I just had a knife, I'd probably just accept I'm dead. Bear spray is nice to have as well, though in stories Ive heard, it is most affective pre-charge (more when the bear is just wandering too close). Fairly effective though, same as guns.
Emptied a clip of 44? So was the father using a Desert Eagle?
Whenever someone refers to a "clip" when giving advice about handguns, especially a .44 magnum, I kniw they're full of shit.
Even with a .44, you’d better have impeccable aim or you’ll be screwed. This things are fast for their size.
That’s why 10mm beats .44. You can get way more shots off in a shorter time. 10mm hardcast full power loads are no small thing. Guns gear and outdoors Alaska did a video pitting the two against one another and whil I think .44 is cooler, 10mm is better as a woods gun.
Wile I would agree with you except for the fact that you often only have a chance to get one or so shots off I’d rather the 44 magnum for that situation personally I carry both bc why not I guess we will see Wich one I reach for first if it happens lmao
With a .44 you need great aim. With a 9mm you need great aim also but you get more shots and there's less recoil. So guess which is better.
Fast for any size 40 mph while being 3 foot in 4 legged bear charge good luck
@@dantetress9379I value your opinion and agree somewhat a 10mm is a decent gun. They hang up too much for me but still ok gun.
I've been shooting my whole life. Got my first shotgun when I was 6 and my uncle had every gun ever made in a special bunker in his back yard with more ammo than we could shoot up shooting almost every day. When I go in the woods rather it's bear country or deer country I carry either my . 44 or my python 357. Neither will ever jam or hang up but in your defense I only need one shot. I've never missed in my life and I've shot things charging at me that would turn a black man white. Lol credit : Richard Pryor
I would never carry an automatic pistol as my life or death gun and this is just my opinion because I was shot because I was tossed a 9mm in a gun fight and stupid me trusted my life with that gun and stepped around the corner to end the fight and when I pulled the trigger I hit one and went to fire at the second and the slide wasn't closed after ejecting the first shell. Then I received a bullet in my right chest area.
Bears mainly don't like noise. If you shoot one, they get pissed.
How is a knife supposed to stop a bear? That is the absolute worst advice I've ever heard.
I fairly certain 10mm would be a solid choice as well. Actual 10mm, not that 10mm cartridge loaded to .40 pressures that most of them apparently are. Plus, I'd take 10-15rds of 10mm over 6rds of .44 any day.
Full power 10mm loads Buffalo Bore,Grizzly, Underwood, Civil Defense,Fort Scott 💯 those five 💯 guaranteed 💯
The Danish Navy's SIRUS Patrol in Greenland agrees with the use of 10mm caliber Glock for bears. As they chose the Glock model 20 for defense against Polar Bears.
Directions unclear I thought this was “9mm vs a Glizzy”, now I need a refrigerator and my mom is mad at me…
'we all make mistakes in the heat of passion, jimbo'
Sadly in Canada it is unlawful to carry any firearm in parks.
Stupidest shit ever
Sadly?! They're Parks, not war zones! 😅
@@michaelkruk3415 tell that to the vicious man eating animals!!
You mean to tell me all Canadian bears walk on their hind legs, since they don't have a right to.... Bear arms?
@@michaelkruk3415 They are the site of many bear attacks.Wtf you mean warzone?Its the damn wilderness.People should absolutely be able to carry in national parks where bears are present.
Would an ak-47 work against a bear??? 🤔
CHUCK NORRIS dont carry anything ! Those Bears see him and turn into Bear Rugs !
A Grizzly Bear almost lost his life to a charging Chuck Norris
"These bear being so hard to die rather intimidates us all. I must confess that I do not like the gentlemen and would rather fight two Indians than one bear" -Meriwether Lewis May 11, 1805
those indians must have had MAD GAINZ from the buffalo diet, that 2of them could be comparable in any form to one bear :p say, like 5+ of them
Statistically, bear spray is often more effective to escape an encounter unscathed
Post these statistics
Not really when you actually dig into the data, the stats only look that way because most bear encounters are non predatory bear encounters, as such, bear spray gives a false sense of security because the bear never had the intention of eating you in the first place. It's been shown that with predatory bears that bear spray is effectively useless as like a bear digging for honey and getting stung by bees, the desire for food outweighs the temporary pain of the spray, they will take the hit and continue to attack. There's a multitude of reports of this happening but like I said, predatory bear encounters are rare so the statistics you're pointing to are misleading and create a false sense of security. The real problem here is you don't know if the bear you come across is predatory or not and you will only have time to grab your gun or your spray, so you can do what you want but I'm just going to reach for my gun everytime just incase it's one of those rare instances of a predatory bear.
@@sethhlewis see my comment below yours, his stats are correct but very misleading.
There have also been accounts of bears returning to attack after being sprayed.
@@rantional8180yeah, but weren’t these statistics not even at all comparable fairly? As in there were deaths with empty bear spray cans that didn’t get counted, but then attacks with a firearm did get counted? Similarly like most of those firearm statistics a shot wasn’t even fired, or it didn’t hit. Whereas the bear spray didn’t get counted if it didn’t hit them. I’m pretty sure I remember reading them and they weren’t even fair to compare at all.
Using both those statistics for what they’re worth it just shows I’d still trust a 9mm more.
So I was in Norway delivering cargo as a Marine.
Skipping some details, we had 2 mini coopers (the bigger 4 door ones) rental car. Driving back late after escorting trucks, you had 2 marines and a corpsman in the lead one, and myself and another marine in the second-with me driving
This long stretch of dark country, we’re having fun and next thing I know the lead vechile is fishtailing and tires screaming. As im about to reach for a radio I see a blur off to my right as we both come to a stop.
Lead vehicle hit a fucking moose. Just barely caught it, thankfully. The moose got up and darted off into the darkness.
Anyways; the corpsman from the lead vehicle whips out a little CRKT folding knife and is like “do we need to go put it down?”
“Yeah bro.. let’s go find this 1500lb animal in the dark and stab it with a 2 inch blade”
🤦♂️ shit was wild
Bear spray has stopped many aggressive bears. It has even caused Grizzly mothers to abandon their cubs. That's effective.
That’s like saying a .22 won’t kill a person 💀😂
generally if you get attacked by a bear you might get a few shots off and they’re probably not going to be accurate. yeah a 9 can kill it but can you really send multiple rounds accurately at a 1000lb behemoth charging at you from a close distance? probably not.
@@ogloc6308 there’s also been zero recorded bear attacks after taking a 9mm to the dome. They did a bunch of test on this even a glancing hit would chip part of it’s face off. It’s still just flesh and bone…
@@ogloc6308 But you'll probably get more shots off with a 9mm than with a .357 so...
@@lukeestep7775nah that could be survivorship bias. If the bear kept going you wouldn't hear about it
@@gorkyd7912no you won't. Bears are too fast. You'll only get like 2 shots off no matter what you're shooting before the bear is on top of you. Not hard to get proficient with a 44 mag.
Nobody said bring a 9mm. You would have to be a fool to do so. Bring a 44 magnum
Or a 10 mm
@@user-tz1fd1hl8t true that, shit even a 357 would do fine
Actually, while not ideal the .327 federal magnum and 9x19mm have loads from Buffalo bore that are proven big bear stoppers and droppers. What they sell is actually proven to do what they claim. They have a hot .327 fed 130 grain Keith type hard cast load that will as they say " perforate a large bears skull " and be used for typical"solids" type situations. They also have a 9mm 147 grain hard cast +p round nose wide flat meplat. This was specifically mentioned in a video I was watching about Alaskan guided fishing trips and how dude left his. 357 at home and only had a 9mm on him. His clients got attacked and the guide saved them with 3 shots in the bears vitals from a quartering on shot and two side shots. The shoulder was smashed and all three bullets where recovered ,laying up against the hide on the far side of the animal. Again, it's not ideal by any means, but they will both work despite both being far smaller than most would consider able to drop a bear. Ammunition choice goes well beyond basics and the right bullet designs, velocity windows and bullet hardness' make vast differences in what a cartridge is capable of. It's not always apparent or even common sense as to what and why things work ballistically
These are things that are worth while to have for just in case or if you can't get anything else. You get a box and make sure they feed and find point of impact ,then load a magazine or two or speed loader or two and tuck those away in your go to outdoor gear. Hiking pack, back pack, tackle box , ect. That way you have them if you forgot your more powerful stuff .
This is saying nothing. A bow and arrow is a big bear stopper if you hit the heart. Any ammo will kill a bear, 22LR will kill it with perfect placement. So it's a question of whether you personally prefer to carry more ammo or have a larger caliber with more expansion to improve the limitation of your aim.
Yeah if a bear could talk he would be like yeah what a cute knife check out these and then you would be visiting your ancestors
9mm doesn't appear to be any less effective than other calibers. 98% of defensive shootings with pistols are successful, and 9mm has been used numerous times to stop attacks. Look at the ammoland stats.
"9mm won't help against a bear"
MP7: (Laughs in 500 rounds a minute)
Edit: Thank you for pointing out that MP7 doesn't fire 9mm. I thought it did.
Mp7 doesn’t shoot 9mm
@@drewbradford5403I think some do, not completely sure though. I know they can come in 10mm through which is cool, I haven’t looked into the 10mm round but I have a friend that says it’s amazing.
@@drewbradford5403the mac 10 in question:
The MP7 is chambered in 4.6 NATO. There are no variations in 9mm, or 10mm. You are smoking crazy zaza
If you bring any gun that fires 9mm to fight a bear it will basically be the senator Armstrong fight from metal gear
10mm auto is way better than big revolvers in all regards.
More ammo less recoil
I saw a video where the guy is all tore up saying the mace didn’t work 💀
Bear spray and mace are different
And he invented bear spray. Great guy. Going bow hunting with a doctor is a good idea.
@@terrorist_tears that’s what I meant to say he had a bear spray
For all the hippies...
Bear spray don't work if the bears upwind.
Always carry a bear stopping gun, just in case.
9mm +p 147gr hits about the same as a standard 10mm. The biggest difference is you get more ammo with a 9mm. Test it yourself.
Yeah…
Grizzlies and Polar Bear are way too overpowered.
Well Short Faced Bear went to extinct back in Ice Age.
Well Short Faced Bear is even more size twice than Polar Bear.
So yeah Short Faced Bear is even way highly overpowered.
Nature is OP and the devs won't nerf it. I give it 0/10 unless you like Dark Souls.
Who using a 9mm in bear country😂😂
I mean 357 is pretty close to 9mm in diameter lol, about the smallest to reasonably carry lol
No one. hense why he said he would carry bear spray instead
The only one who actually has any knowledge of what they're doing in Bear country that would carry 9 mm is someone who doesn't have anything better.
@@GreasyBeasty you can still use a gun just not 9 mm
Bear food.
There was a recent study released that said I believe it was firearms of any type was 98% effective at deterring a bear and .40 cal and larger was even more effective. I can't remember who put it out but I believe it was a 40 year study.
It can depend on the bear. It's documented that black bears have been dispatched by .40 fairly easily due to being on the small side of the bear spectrum.
@AldentheBlue I don't think it was a kill study as even .22s were used and effective, but the .40 and larger were noted as being much more lethal to the bears, yes.
@@chrisheitstuman6360 I think the noise alone would scare a bear off and if you get a few head shots, I don’t think the bear is going to be moving for much longer
I saw that study and you are correct
This guy does not know bear spray should always be a tool in the arsenal in addition to firearms.
I think he is going to meet a bad end with his foolishness in the woods.
Being Alaskan all my life. Stainless 12 guage with slugs, 500 or 44 full metal jackets and bear spray. First and foremost though is to make noise always and never wear earbuds or headphones.
You will need a 44mag or even 454 casull or 500mag if you want to have a chance against a grizzly
Lmao ok fudd
@@baconatoromg6062nobody who shoots brown bears regularly would even consider doing so with a 10mm. Yes plenty of people on the internet tell others that the 10mm is the the first choice for bear protection.
Yes plenty of bears have been shot with a 10mm. If it's the biggest hand gun you have, use it.
Nobody thinks the 30-30 is a good brown bear gun but it has 3x the energy of a 10mm.
Dudes completely right but he missed one aspect at the end grizzly bear skulls and their hide are extremely thick.
Even if you hit all those shots on the head, what if they all deflect off and just make it more angry...
I live in griz country. I grew up in griz country. We carry both.
That turtle neck must be hungry, cause it's swallowing your head.
Ummm I believe its Buffalo Bore that makes a 9mm +p+ outdoorsman I believe its called and an Alaskan guide took a grizzly down with his Smith and Wesson. So you are just speculating and not speaking from experience. Also you just said 9mm to make your point. Why didn't you say .44 magnum? Also he didn't shoot it in the head although he wanted too.
The guy with his face covered reminds me of Beaker from the muppets.
Used to live and work in grizzly country. We didn’t even bother with handguns. 300 mag. 45/70 12gauge with slugs at a minimum. Don’t mess around.
Bear spray actually works great, and anything smaller than a 308 is just going to piss off a grizzly.
Read a story about a guy who didn’t even use his bear spray, got attacked , halfway through the attack the bear slashed or bit into his can of previously useless spray, bear left INSTANTLY. The guy survived with fairly minor injuries. After that it was no question, if something can be that useful even unopened and out of reach, it’s worth bringing every time.
Another thing is unfortunately for you, if you end up in a situation where you are in a physical fight with the bear, you shoot and kill it, and you live and are wounded badly, you STILL get federally charged even if it was actually self defense. National Parks and Wildlife will always pick the animal over people lol
I'm glad you talked about the .44 let people on a different post know that that round is advertised as a bear killing round now a days.
legally allowed to carry any firearm anywhere. this is america
I suggest you carry BOTH!! Look at the attack stats. Gun carriers do get mauled. I’ve seen 7 shots into a charging bear. And it still got the guy. He lived. But the bear got to him before it died on top of him. Spray isn’t a sure thing either. You can’t spray against the wind and blind yourself.
But don’t keep either in your pack!!!! Keep it 5 seconds away. And even that might not be enough time.
My step brother was trapping coyotes in British Columbia, Canada, and a brown bear/grizzly bear got the drop on him. The dude was raked across the chest twice(with scars to prove it), and was pinned to the ground with his main hand in the bears mouth. He managed to get to his knife with his off hand.
He now has its claws on a necklace.
Afterwards, he started packing a .357 magnum.
That's some rdr2 type shit
Phil shoemaker killed a large sow grizzly in defense with a small 9mm loaded with 147 hard cast with six shots from roughly eight feet. Bear handgun defense is more a matter of precision not power. In ammolands study of handgun bear defense cases, all cases 9mm and up were successful except one .357 case where the geologist missed all of his shots. Im not advocating 9mm, but you also dont need +p+ heavy 44 magnum. You need a handgun you are proficient with, can hit with, and that is loaded with deep penetrating ammo. Stay safe folks.
I love this channel. Park Ranger hats off to you, sir.
While knives are obviously the 2nd choice here, having one in case your gun becomes unfeasible is still a good idea.
Question: Is there a use case for pressurized CO2 anti-shark knives as an anti-bear weapon? What if you had a dual tube knife that expelled pressurized gas as well as bear mace at the same time? That way if the trauma from the knife is insufficient maybe the mace will ward off the bear.
People don't realize how fast a bear is. An adult grizzly bear can run up to 35 mph and weigh upwards of a thousand pounds. Put that into perspective, a professional linebacker can weigh over 300 lb and run a sub 5 second 40-yard dash with an impressive speed of around 20 miles per hour. With the bear almost doubling that speed, that means that you have an animal potentially weighing over a thousand pounds that is capable of clearing 40 yd in less than 2.5 seconds. How long do you think it would take for your brain to process to pull your gun in the first place, get a good bead on said animal and then finally getting off rounds into its head while it is moving in an unpredictable pattern as they are well known for running into the tree line and flanking you. You have a much higher survivability rate with bear spray.
Bear spray + henry 45-70
One of the most experienced bear guides in Alaska chooses to carry a 9mm. He also has used it to kill a problem bear. It's all about shot placement.
Good luck with shot placement when a grizz is running at you going 35mph.
@@braydenshafford342 it's better to have a 9mm shooting hardcast lead because you can actually make quick follow up shots and still be on target. It's not a one and done show what ever your shooting when a bear is charging. Plan on a quick string of shots.
This is why i have a shotgun as someone who lives in grizzly bear country.
Bears come back and lick bear spray off of where it’s been sprayed it’s only effective for a few minutes at best. Also the bears associate bear bells with food in a lot of places now. All you people thinking bear spray is the best option have never seen a grizzly rip aluminum plane floats to shreds that were covered in bear spray and it shows 😂
Nor have they ever seen a pissed off grizz tearing through the woods at 35mph pissed as all hell and snapping off pines that are 6 inches in diameter.
@@braydenshafford342 or seen a grizzly do exactly what you stated with a dead elk in its mouth. I’ve first hand seen 12 gauge slugs bounce off their skull and they expect me to trust my life to some aerosolized franks red hot. Yea I don’t Fuckin think so 😂
wow your face mask is so cool
Bear spray has a better percentage chance of stopping a grizzly. Them's the numbers. As a firearms owner, enthusiast, and lover, that hurts me to say, but it's the truth. Knife v grizzly = Darwin award. Bear spray puts out a cloud that makes a sawed-off shotgun look like a laser. In a sudden, high- stress situation, after 32 years in the military, I trust my loved ones to me with bear spray, backed up with a 12 gauge 3 inch magnum with slugs.
Look at all the experts who have such extensive knowledge and experience dealing with bear attacks I'm so grateful for your sage advice
People say carrying the extra weight in the deep woods is just plain crazy, but I still carry bear spray, a 44 Mag carbine, a Bowie knife, a garrotte, and wear both body armor and an old claymore mine strapped on top of the chest plate with a printed label saying "BEAR" pasted over the cast in word: "ENEMY".
Not at all true, but it sounds cool in an "over the top" way.
.44 Magnum both agree on. The first guy is really knowledgeable about survival and everything woods related. He says dont waste your time w the bear spray, and never mentioned a 9 mm. all he said was "knife or gun." What about a .357 Magnum? What do yall think? No cartridge & only 6 shots, but no jamming either.
Interestingly enough, i read an article that said statistically more bears are killed with 9mm in Alaska than any other handgun caliber. It's clearly not the best choice but it is the most common caliber.
Knife vs Grizzly male? Better then nothing but odds are low.
Carry both, bear spray is cool but it only lasts a few seconds and is stored in a pressurized container. If it ever gets damaged on a hike and loses its pressure, or if its a windy day you're pretty much screwed.
The bear spray is an irritating chemical that will give you a chance to get away...
44mag, bear spray, knife can’t hurt to have a backup to you backup plan
Me who carries a 12 gauge in the woods
I carry both. Even with a powerful enough firearm, there are times when it's literally safer to use the bearspray instead of the gun.
I happen to value my life and I'll take every precaution to keep myself alive.
There's a site that catalogs all defensive handgun use vs bears and you're 100% wrong about 9mm it's close to 100% effective even with grizzlies.
Actually it shows that caliber in general is irrelevant and the unsuccessful instances were mostly due to missing and not due to the caliber being insufficient.
If you are using a knife against a bear, that bear is too damn close, and is doing some serious damage to you. Clearly this guy is a candidate for the Darwin award.
One knife against a bear? That bear has ten knives on its paws and if you're in close enough proximity to use your one knife, it's gonna rip you to shreds.
My dad took me hunting every year starting at the age of 8. We only hunted with compound bows going after Elk and Deer mainly. We ALWAYS had our .357 Magnum or Trooper on us. He gave me surprise drills of what we called “Drop and Draw”. It’s simple; the second you see a bear, drop your bow between you and the bear, draw your firearm and unload. If possible try to utilize large things ie rocks, trees, dirt mounds, stumps, blowdowns, thick vegetation etc as this will create somewhat of an obstacle. Never walk backwards as any trip would surely cause the end of you.
From my experience all of the bears (mainly Black) I came close to had no interest in me and were more afraid of me than I them. I am more terrified of Elk than bears. Not only can they be a foot in front of you and literally disappear faster than you can blink, but their foreheads are basically indestructible. Have you ever seen a bow with a 85lb pull draw strength shooting broad heads that just bounce off as well as high caliber rifle rounds? Elk can be absolutely terrifying
It’s been discovered by grizzlies hunters that 44mag doesn’t always penetrate deep enough. Being penetration is the name of the game for grizzly 10mm hard cast is the right choice. Not 44
Heres my logic. Pepper spry doesnt stop people if they really want you. Bear spray wont stop bear if he wants you. Knife gives you fighting chance if your being attacked. People have fought off a bear with a onife before and survived
Knife!?
Dude wants to fight a bear with a knife?
Best of luck bro...
I've seen bears charged through bear spray. If I'm in a forest that has a bear population where I am at then I'm probably carrying several firearms and I don't ever go anywhere without a knife.
9mms have in fact been used successfully against griz.
There was a study of about forty defensive pistol incidents, and neither of the two failures was 9mm, while several successful uses were noted.
I disagree with both of you. You don't have to kill it to protect yourself. And don't go anywhere unless you're prepared to be able to protect yourself from everything. And you don't know what a 9mm can do.
Most times a bell is all you need !
If a skunk can make a bear run like fuck its good enough for me..elmer fudd never had a single win , jus sayin.😅