I left a comment years ago on a video where you guys were talking about there being no good way to objectively test all these metrics and I suggested that you guys create your own defacto test for that particular thing, but I had no idea you were going to become the defacto 3rd part testing facility. Incredible work LMG Team
@@richardalfaro4933 i suggest you watch these 2 videos to get better context on the LTT LABS. 1. th-cam.com/video/pt3-6BsWlPk/w-d-xo.html 2. th-cam.com/video/UwpnS7RPkhg/w-d-xo.html
LOVING the clips! Makes it so much easier to pick and choose topics! I can give some feedback thought, I would love to see links to forum posts and articles in the description as this would make the clips stand more on their own.
Man that's the reason lmg is so successful, they listen to the fans and immediately make changes for the better when they agree. It really makes them stand out even among youtubers
So here's something that I'd love to see from other review websites, and I don't know how it would be doable: I'd like to know WHERE products come from. Specifically, I'd like to know the working conditions of the staff that manufactured whatever the product is. I don't want to be buying a product that was made by a company that is paying their staff pennies, whether that company is in the US or Canada or if it is elsewhere. Hold companies to a higher standard. For certain things like computers, that are built from many components, I'd also love to see a breakdown of sources. Basically this would be a huge research undertaking for certain products. Other things would be simpler like cables or peripherals.
I can't wait for LTT labs. I trust Linus and his team, and I know they'd never let that trust down. I was okay with Linus supporting Framework because I know he'll do his best to stay objective. glad he's got a company big enough to pursue such goals, and that he's keeping his vision in mind.
The fact that you're worried about conflicts of interest at the very founding and have strategies in mind to avoid them means you're heading in the right direction. Excited to hear more. I would love some testing and reviews of the mess of RGB LED strips out there.
With your accelarting growth you really need to implement robust structures that ensure that your values and morals are ingrained into the company. Especially if you take in outside investment (like going public). I have seen two companies completely lose their "soul" with rapid growth and turning from "good" to "evil" in my professional life.
@@broz666 and he specifically mentioned that there are other means than going public. Tech oriented angel investors/VCs or PE firms make a lot more sense for such a business than going public.
@@ritwikism that's why I said like going public. It would be the worst case scenario. None of the two companies gone to shit I referenced, has gone public. There was just rapid growth due very good ecinomical circumstances and the money came from the bank. It just that you quickly reach a point where you cannot control it all as the founder and need to losen the grip on the rudder a little. That is when you need robust structures that imprint your values into the company
Pro videos - I would watch AND pay for that even as a lowly consumer. Great ideas/future plans! Excited how you would navigate those fine lines. That’s something that could be a leading practice for other media groups/influencer businesses to follow.
You guys are the ones I actually know to trust, because the team does care about what they put in the world. From the random edits in the videos, if the hosts said something wrong, to updates in pinned comments, you have time and again reinforced the trust of the community.
I know it’s not the snap of the finger transition, but I hope someday you guys do sell tech for the average consumer, a better solar panel, an internet service, a good computer peripherals store. I know that’s a lot to think about but the tech space needs this desperately in a world with giant monopolies.
I know it's unlikely for you guys to see this but you should consider putting together paid courses, I would love you you guys to have something like a in depth purpose built guide for setting up a home server, or even something more industrial
I'm a little on the fence about the comments saying "if we were selling a thing, and someone else had a better thing, I'd tell you" - because I've watched about 100 LTT videos, and I've seen the mousepads advertised in well over half of those, but I've never seen anyone from LTT mention this other better one. You might well have mentioned it in one of the videos specifically referring to the mouse pad, but unless people watch every single one of your videos, they're not going to see that comparison.
@@theonewithin609 Yes, they do. It was said few Times on wam Show when Talking about developement of their mousepads. They didnt do Video about That but they teste them for sure.
They are ads and not reviews and LTT don't claim to have the best mouse pad on the market in their ads. You have to watch the review to see the comparison.
The years under your belt for tech tips along with the fact that everyone is as open and clear as can be or needed, I don't think you will have much issue with people thinking there is a conflict of interest, to some yes, that will never change, but I can't ever imagine LTT being biased or having a conflict of interest as it just seems like a golden rule you have kept to for a long as I can remember.
I'm on board with this. I'm not so sure about being a reseller, that sounds like a REALLY expensive proposition with no appreciable returns if you're selling at a discount over sites like Amazon and Newegg or brick and mortar stores like Micro Center or Canada Computers. But a great thing I think that would value add to the "we're making a thing!" would be a bit of a peek behind the curtain on some of those things, showing how the sausage is made. Going even further in depth in videos on DIY capable projects (like making your own keyboard) which you could sell completed versions of is also appealing (I've always wondered how to make a controller, for example).
LTT labs has me really excited. It is so hard to find good quality information about products online. Like, so many specs websites will mix up mobile and Max Q when that's a huge difference! LTT, I feel like, would hold themselves to a higher standard and be much more accurate than that
Should we interpret Labs/ Labs' end goal (not ideological but technical) as something similar to Rtings, with their methodologies, comparisons, ratings, lists etc?
Oh man, LTT labs is one of those promises that I have a lot faith on, I am really happy with the content I see from you and it would be a shame if this doesn't work out as intended :(
Conflict of interest is only an issue if your audience/customers don't trust you. That could happen, but hopefully can be managed with transparency and vulnerable honesty.
I went to the linked LTT forum posted to see the rest of the details and oof, that thread got derailed hard because of some salty people who admitted they don't watch videos anymore yet waste their time posting/trolling on a forum for a channel they don't even watch? Why are people like this?
that is the issue : TH-cam only send 1 notification per day. If the one I receive is not a subject I am interested, I might not go back to see all of the other clips . and I heard that it is better for the algorithm to post every day instead of a bunch in one day.
Munro and associates do it with cars. Get the car, rip it apart, write a detailed tech report then sell the research to competing manufacturers. Good competition is good for consumers.
also sounds like you are going to be like the consumer reports or better homes and gardens of tech reviews and testing hope you are able to maintain ethics and standards more so and longer then they did, they both had great reputations when i was growing up but scandals in the late 90s and early 2000s if i recall correctly that tarnished them that they still may or may not ever fully bounce back and recover from
LTT Labs will be an group of experts within different technological fields, developing methodologies to objectively and repeatedly reliably test products, which results then be published, giving consumers much needed clarity of exactly how products perform - much of the info in the tech world is just anecdotal, unscientific, or doesn't show the entire picture, and getting the clear picture of exactly what is good can be very hard to discern unless you're an expert yourself. This kind of trust worthy lab providing valuable, trustworthy information over a variety of products will be invaluable for those trying to work out whats worthwhile in the world of tech.
@@MrFarlarzia sorry. I can't understand clearly. Can you make it simpler. Like. Lamest term. Pretend I have no clue about tech. Just pretend I'm a caveman.
@@HierarchPeter I can only hope. This coupled with Gamers Nexus fan testing should make it so much clearer what you're purchasing is actually going to achieve, and if its worth buying. I cannot wait.
@@labcdel4384 Think of LTT as reviews of products with some numbers and Labs as validation. So, using specialized equipment to validate producer's claims. I.E. their HDMI cable video where they tested a whole shit ton of HDMI cables with that box. Instead of them just plugging it into a monitor and saying oh it failed to meet spec, they will be able to use specialized equipment to provide actual numbers and data points and will be dedicated to just that.
U don't want the knowledgable people to move to the manufacturing side, but are thinking about becoming the manufacturing side. If you go into manufacturing or retail u should try your hardest to keep it separate from you. I believe you when you say something like you can be honest and transparent about the things you think are important but what's to stop you from reviewing negatively features u don't think are important. Example, Hardware Unboxing scandal. Nvidia had created something they believe was the best product and important to the future of gaming. I'm not saying you won't give out review samples. But I think maybe you could just gloss over issues others see and you don't see it as an issue. Nothing actively evil, but you have to be fair and be hard on your own "baby" of a product.
I left a comment years ago on a video where you guys were talking about there being no good way to objectively test all these metrics and I suggested that you guys create your own defacto test for that particular thing, but I had no idea you were going to become the defacto 3rd part testing facility. Incredible work LMG Team
Idk what this means but what is labs ?
@@richardalfaro4933 i suggest you watch these 2 videos to get better context on the LTT LABS.
1. th-cam.com/video/pt3-6BsWlPk/w-d-xo.html
2. th-cam.com/video/UwpnS7RPkhg/w-d-xo.html
Was that the hdmi cord video
@@j4k275 I think that was actually the video!
Man LMG is turning into a full on tech empire it's so cool to watch in real time
I can't wait to be daily driving my LMG phone, Laptop, Desktop with LMG CPU and LMG GPU all made with silicon from the LMG foundry
@@flucazade They better come with stickers of Linus' shitty photo
LOVING the clips! Makes it so much easier to pick and choose topics! I can give some feedback thought, I would love to see links to forum posts and articles in the description as this would make the clips stand more on their own.
Great suggestion! I've added the forum post to the description.
@@LMGClips Yikes, did you mean to link to a summary by LAwLz of Linus being unreasonably hostile in forum posts?
@@Jacob-Vivimord could you give an example for that? Can't really imagine Linus being hostile
Man that's the reason lmg is so successful, they listen to the fans and immediately make changes for the better when they agree. It really makes them stand out even among youtubers
@@mrclean3088 the example is on the link in the description
I can’t wait especially for things as simple as cables which commonly cut corners to save 10 cents
yeah $5 cent usb cable made with blood of the childs from africa and sent to the US using free Dolphin slavery
So here's something that I'd love to see from other review websites, and I don't know how it would be doable: I'd like to know WHERE products come from. Specifically, I'd like to know the working conditions of the staff that manufactured whatever the product is. I don't want to be buying a product that was made by a company that is paying their staff pennies, whether that company is in the US or Canada or if it is elsewhere. Hold companies to a higher standard.
For certain things like computers, that are built from many components, I'd also love to see a breakdown of sources. Basically this would be a huge research undertaking for certain products. Other things would be simpler like cables or peripherals.
I can't wait for LTT labs. I trust Linus and his team, and I know they'd never let that trust down. I was okay with Linus supporting Framework because I know he'll do his best to stay objective. glad he's got a company big enough to pursue such goals, and that he's keeping his vision in mind.
The fact that you're worried about conflicts of interest at the very founding and have strategies in mind to avoid them means you're heading in the right direction. Excited to hear more. I would love some testing and reviews of the mess of RGB LED strips out there.
With your accelarting growth you really need to implement robust structures that ensure that your values and morals are ingrained into the company. Especially if you take in outside investment (like going public).
I have seen two companies completely lose their "soul" with rapid growth and turning from "good" to "evil" in my professional life.
I do actually think, that Linus wouldn't want to go public, especially considering, that he's doing perfectly fine.
@@crafciak31 He just said in the "how much would I sell LTT for?" (~minute15) that he will need to raise (outside) capital soon.
@@broz666 and he specifically mentioned that there are other means than going public. Tech oriented angel investors/VCs or PE firms make a lot more sense for such a business than going public.
@@ritwikism that's why I said like going public. It would be the worst case scenario.
None of the two companies gone to shit I referenced, has gone public. There was just rapid growth due very good ecinomical circumstances and the money came from the bank.
It just that you quickly reach a point where you cannot control it all as the founder and need to losen the grip on the rudder a little. That is when you need robust structures that imprint your values into the company
Pro videos - I would watch AND pay for that even as a lowly consumer. Great ideas/future plans! Excited how you would navigate those fine lines. That’s something that could be a leading practice for other media groups/influencer businesses to follow.
I can't believe they reached the pint where clips have reputable sponsors. It's the mark of a great content creator
can't wait for the future, LTT Labs content opening
You guys are the ones I actually know to trust, because the team does care about what they put in the world. From the random edits in the videos, if the hosts said something wrong, to updates in pinned comments, you have time and again reinforced the trust of the community.
And Gamer's Nexus, and Rossman, and many others. There is a will to make something better for everyone
Lol - Linus Steve Jobs-style in the video thumbnail (especially considering LTT's complicated "relationship" with Apple)...
I think making keyboards or something would stop companies sending theirs in for review because they’d be helping a direct competitor
Thumbnail is 10 out of 10
I know it’s not the snap of the finger transition, but I hope someday you guys do sell tech for the average consumer, a better solar panel, an internet service, a good computer peripherals store. I know that’s a lot to think about but the tech space needs this desperately in a world with giant monopolies.
This is such an unbelievably smart idea. Wow. Go LTT!!
I know it's unlikely for you guys to see this but you should consider putting together paid courses, I would love you you guys to have something like a in depth purpose built guide for setting up a home server, or even something more industrial
I'm a little on the fence about the comments saying "if we were selling a thing, and someone else had a better thing, I'd tell you" - because I've watched about 100 LTT videos, and I've seen the mousepads advertised in well over half of those, but I've never seen anyone from LTT mention this other better one. You might well have mentioned it in one of the videos specifically referring to the mouse pad, but unless people watch every single one of your videos, they're not going to see that comparison.
Does LTT test mouse pads?
@@theonewithin609 Yes, they do. It was said few Times on wam Show when Talking about developement of their mousepads. They didnt do Video about That but they teste them for sure.
I mean other brands don’t say well this one is better in advertisements or even claim the opposite
They are ads and not reviews and LTT don't claim to have the best mouse pad on the market in their ads. You have to watch the review to see the comparison.
they mentioned the other mouse pad in their mouse pad announcement video. that's what linus is referring to
LTT Labs verified soon
I support the mission statement as put forward !
The years under your belt for tech tips along with the fact that everyone is as open and clear as can be or needed, I don't think you will have much issue with people thinking there is a conflict of interest, to some yes, that will never change, but I can't ever imagine LTT being biased or having a conflict of interest as it just seems like a golden rule you have kept to for a long as I can remember.
I'm on board with this. I'm not so sure about being a reseller, that sounds like a REALLY expensive proposition with no appreciable returns if you're selling at a discount over sites like Amazon and Newegg or brick and mortar stores like Micro Center or Canada Computers. But a great thing I think that would value add to the "we're making a thing!" would be a bit of a peek behind the curtain on some of those things, showing how the sausage is made. Going even further in depth in videos on DIY capable projects (like making your own keyboard) which you could sell completed versions of is also appealing (I've always wondered how to make a controller, for example).
I can not wait to see what comes of this. I doubt I'll be able to afford any of it but should be a fun ride to watch.
I think you guys should have a camera on the off-screen guy, then switch to it when he’s talking.
Similar to @LaterClips. I really like that format.
LTT labs has me really excited. It is so hard to find good quality information about products online. Like, so many specs websites will mix up mobile and Max Q when that's a huge difference! LTT, I feel like, would hold themselves to a higher standard and be much more accurate than that
Should we interpret Labs/ Labs' end goal (not ideological but technical) as something similar to Rtings, with their methodologies, comparisons, ratings, lists etc?
The guy at he end does a great job for the sponsor. Sounds very good
I so damn hate it that your backround isn't aligned xD
My ADHD greets you :D xD
This is the best video thumbnail I've ever seen! Lol
LTT: WE ARE THE LINE! WE LIVE ON THE LINE!
there's a saying "if you love what you do you'll never work a day in you're life"
LinusTechTips Verfied or something along those lines stamp?
Oh man, LTT labs is one of those promises that I have a lot faith on, I am really happy with the content I see from you and it would be a shame if this doesn't work out as intended :(
Conflict of interest is only an issue if your audience/customers don't trust you. That could happen, but hopefully can be managed with transparency and vulnerable honesty.
As nice as that sounds, conflicts of interest almost always carry unconscious bias
someone gets it
this is why i like ltt/lmg/floatplane
"trust is the most valuable thing to us" Linus Sebastian-2022
and he means it, and you can tell
Luke wearing a light-coloured t-shirt is kind of killing the whole cinematic vibe of the studio setup.
(nit-picking lol)
at no point did he actually say what it is (I think it's something to do with reviews?)
It's a passion business, you could say.
I went to the linked LTT forum posted to see the rest of the details and oof, that thread got derailed hard because of some salty people who admitted they don't watch videos anymore yet waste their time posting/trolling on a forum for a channel they don't even watch? Why are people like this?
Any more funding and we might just see a vehicle driving on rooftops and running circles around the police... and it comes in black.
These plans sound all awesome. Except one. I think it would muddy the waters too much if you became a retailer
Companies calling Linus for tips is so cool
Well, the main channel is called Linus Tech Tips ;)
Linus financial tips
should you not release these one a day to maximize the number of notifications?
You could unclick the bell. I like being able to pick and choose my topics all at once. Sometimes I don’t wanna watch all of WAN, just a few talks.
that is the issue : TH-cam only send 1 notification per day. If the one I receive is not a subject I am interested, I might not go back to see all of the other clips . and I heard that it is better for the algorithm to post every day instead of a bunch in one day.
Steve complained about his thermal tests through the glass and he chose violence
Bless you Linus & the LTT team! You guys are a force for good & its a great thing that capitalism is rewarding you all for it!
Nvidia RTX 4090 TI LTT Edition, now with an MSRP of 2 kidneys and half a liver!
Will you at some point start selling the data gathered to manufacturers or other media outlets to make it profitbale?
Linus PC - Linus Pre-built Computers.
When is the Linus IPO?
as lluke drinks from water bottle... good or bad timing. not sure..............................................
Munro and associates do it with cars. Get the car, rip it apart, write a detailed tech report then sell the research to competing manufacturers.
Good competition is good for consumers.
LTT Labs x Secret lab range when? 😂
:D
Lol
I hope we see some LTT labs Cat tips vid's :P
Influencer lab should be the next step.
Imagine in few years products come with LTT Labs verified tag😂😂
hey are you going to look at professional audio hardware?
also sounds like you are going to be like the consumer reports or better homes and gardens of tech reviews and testing
hope you are able to maintain ethics and standards more so and longer then they did, they both had great reputations when i was growing up but scandals in the late 90s and early 2000s if i recall correctly that tarnished them that they still may or may not ever fully bounce back and recover from
Please no paywall!
I wonder how they're going to avoid the mistakes Anandtech did?
By hiring Gary Key as the lead for Labs (Ex-Anandtech employee)
Not get bought out?
Do LTT Labs is a testing facility to test headphone or usb or whatever to notify consumer which is good or what? Sorry English is hard.
LTT Labs will be an group of experts within different technological fields, developing methodologies to objectively and repeatedly reliably test products, which results then be published, giving consumers much needed clarity of exactly how products perform - much of the info in the tech world is just anecdotal, unscientific, or doesn't show the entire picture, and getting the clear picture of exactly what is good can be very hard to discern unless you're an expert yourself.
This kind of trust worthy lab providing valuable, trustworthy information over a variety of products will be invaluable for those trying to work out whats worthwhile in the world of tech.
@@MrFarlarzia sorry. I can't understand clearly. Can you make it simpler. Like. Lamest term. Pretend I have no clue about tech. Just pretend I'm a caveman.
Linus hire scientist to test things so so we know what they actually do.
This will probably cover a wide range of computer items and components.
@@MrFarlarzia awesome. So no more those stupid marketing bs then right ?
@@HierarchPeter I can only hope.
This coupled with Gamers Nexus fan testing should make it so much clearer what you're purchasing is actually going to achieve, and if its worth buying.
I cannot wait.
Please sell your stuff in germany too :)
what is this whole labs stuff anyways?
a bunch of engineers and testing equipment dedicated to analyzing tech products
@@manfail7469 isn't that what linus does, or is it supposed to be more scientific?
@@labcdel4384 Think of LTT as reviews of products with some numbers and Labs as validation. So, using specialized equipment to validate producer's claims. I.E. their HDMI cable video where they tested a whole shit ton of HDMI cables with that box. Instead of them just plugging it into a monitor and saying oh it failed to meet spec, they will be able to use specialized equipment to provide actual numbers and data points and will be dedicated to just that.
wowowowowow
LTT should go IPO and get shorted to bankruptcy
Please no paywall content.
U don't want the knowledgable people to move to the manufacturing side, but are thinking about becoming the manufacturing side. If you go into manufacturing or retail u should try your hardest to keep it separate from you. I believe you when you say something like you can be honest and transparent about the things you think are important but what's to stop you from reviewing negatively features u don't think are important. Example, Hardware Unboxing scandal. Nvidia had created something they believe was the best product and important to the future of gaming. I'm not saying you won't give out review samples. But I think maybe you could just gloss over issues others see and you don't see it as an issue. Nothing actively evil, but you have to be fair and be hard on your own "baby" of a product.
Lol .. I trust me I'm here to make money but trust me
Imagine having millions of pounds. I can't even imagine it. Fuck I'm such a failure.
LTT (and his other channels) repeatedly sh!t all over Apple...but Linus loves him some Steve Jobs....go figure
What is the difference between Labs and what Gamers Nexus is doing? Even JaysTwoCents is doing something like this for kids now.
blah blah blah i want money