Glad I'm not the only one who refuses to call it just Max. Its still HBOMax and Twitter. These aren't people, you don't have to except or respect their name changes! As a native Detroiter, Eastside born a d raised, I always am fascinated with any story that takes place within the city and hope to God they don't go heavy on the insult and disrespect seasoning!
It's actually not real bad on that aspect. It presents the concepts and then let's the viewer work things out so if you know anything about the city then you understand what the movies messages are which are not actually disrespectful. Oh, and AJ, a white man, and Tess, a black woman, are perfect examples of the themes of the movie!
Detroiter and raised on this side of 8 mile. This video brought a tear to my eye. I love Detroit. Because so many people and resources left Detroit, we were forced to figure things out on our own. There's a strength, a durability, a resourcefulness that Detroiters have not found anywhere else. Still, Detroit's story is a sad one.😢 Thank you for this video.
Dude I’ve been watching you for a year- and You’re the first TH-camr I’ve seen talk about the rich racial and socioeconomic history we have! Detroit isn’t just some awful hood- I like to say Detroit is like Gotham,,,,, there’s a bit of crime and craziness- but also a rich history and (I can’t emphasize this enough) AWFUL RESOURCES!!!!!! I work with children from in and around the city and the amount of children who don’t even really know their parents (both parents work a ways away and full time) is INSANE! Like there really are no jobs for us out here
You’re seriously my favourite video essayist. I love how you make your points, bring in history and think critically. You’re always an instant watch and someone that makes me think more deeply about media.
Thank you, I have friends who live in Detroit, one of whom is currently working on the renovation of the train station. They love the city and are hoping that it's fortunes are turning around after decades of problems. I know that the recession in the early 2000's really hit the city hard, I would love to hear more of your thoughts on the future for the city if you wouldn't mind.
I watched Discovery of Witches and there was this witch character who is disgusted by another witch's relationship with a vampire. The whole time I kept thinking "Everyone here is white."
Born and raised in Detroit and surrounding suburbs (Bloomfield Hills) and currently in NY, thoroughly appreciated this history. You touched on a lot. I’ve watched your videos for awhile and happy to see your success.
I loved Barbarian , I had a grandmother that lived in Brightmore and I would spend most summers there and I loved the twist of the actor coming back to sell the house and getting killed 😂😂😂😂
I moved to Royal Oak a couple of years ago (we are renting a house), I feel like I need to do something to help with the Urban Blight as, based on info from my grandma, my grandparents were part of the white flight that occurred right before the riots (I believe). I am also tired of people saying the "wrong side of town", when these areas are just don't have the resources they need. My little lefty brain would say lets try to get the land and try to come up with a way to make walkable living areas, but that seems way out of my reach. A quick google search brought up Detroit Blight Busters as one of the first results, but I don't know of any other ways of really helping. I also don't want a place that become overly gentrified causing the people who currently live there to not be able to live there anymore (Yay! Capitalism!) But I really feel like making these areas into better places of urban planning with mix zoning and 15 min cities/towns would perhaps show the rest of the areas that those are good. But a lot of that seems to require working with existing systems.
While I probably won't be watching Barbarian (horror and I do not mix!), I really appreciated getting the opportunity to learn more about White Flight and the history of redlining in Detroit through your analysis. This and your They Cloned Tyrone video are two of my favorites - both cover topics I kiiiind of knew about in an in-depth and engaging way, and I appreciate getting to learn more about these important historical and political issues through your analysis of popular films
One element of white flight and law enforcement you forgot to mention was Frank's longevity in preying on the inhabitants of that neighborhood despite the fact the the citizens off the neighborhood knew he was a serial killer and that there was a "crazy woman" living in the house's basement. He was only able to do what he did for so long because the city (and law enforcement) didn't care about the inhabitants of that neighborhood, as one can see by the architectural neglect of the homes there.
That is essentially how Jeffrey Dahmer was able to drug, murder, and dismember many of his victims. He lived in a poorer part of the North Side of Milwaukee which is predominantly black. The police didn’t care and failed.
Your comment about the apartment is spot on! I recently got a job that I love in midtown that I drive 30-45 minutes to commute to. I have been looking at apartments closer and it's bananas what $1200 gets you. You have a great voice and excellent delivery. It makes the things you are teaching easier to absorb. Do you do voiceover work? You would crush it.
A very insightful take on the movie and I hope things really do turn around for Detroit and other cities experiencing similar issues. Unrelated: I've only been to detroit once and that was when I was living in Windsor for school and i ate shit spectacularly on a crosswalk because of the ice to the point that i scared a construction working.
"I refuse to call it HBO Max." - I'm💀 I wish this video had existed when I was teaching poli-sci classes at a state university in the Midwest, it would have absolutely been on my syllabus.
fantastic analysis and history lesson!!! i just wish the film did more to expand on the setting. i have so many mixed feelings about the movie but most of them are that the themes, vibes, and setting of the movie are more compelling than the movie ended up being itself. the ideas are cool, but it's all surface level. needed a few more edits (and a diverse writer's room). you said it best, it's a beautiful display of white liberalism.
Grew up in Toledo, OH, and now live in Detroit. (I lived in other major cities in between, like NYC, Los Angeles, and Philly.) Thank you for this video! I've been saying to friends of mine that gentrification is White suburbanites' way of making sure the cities their children--be they actual but more along the lines of 'skinfolk'--wanted to move back to were safe. Your video essay filled out my general thesis, and this particular one gave me more insight as to the hows and whys of Detroit's gentrification. Keep on keeping on!
I'm an Australian so I didn't have much of a knowledge of detroit history. When I went and saw the movie I didn't know much about it other than the trailer and was pleasantly surprised with it as it was a better movie than I was expecting.
I moved to Detroit from rural Michigan for college in 2017 and have stayed since. Post college I worked for an after school programming nonprofit which involved working in brightmoor for some of our programs. I was actually working in brightmoor when this movie came out and I was so puzzled when I saw what they depicted as the neighborhood on the block she was staying on, didn’t recognize it as brightmoor at all. I later found out they built a fake street and filmed out in Bulgaria lol. I had a weird kind of gross feeling watching a place where I worked, with a bunch of kids who were cool af and adults who really gave a shit about their home and community who weren’t given a whole lot to work with but did it anyway, being depicted as this bombed out, spooky backdrop. It reminded me of the film college freshmen who come out to the abandoned factory by the community garden I help out with to shoot “ruin porn”, or those videos rich kids from Birmingham film of themselves over by Heidelberg gawking at poverty. I don’t know if the residents of brightmoor got anything from this movie but Detroit’s long time residents deserve far more than for the world to gawk at the misfortune resulting from years of injustice. Especially for the profit of a dude who doesn’t even live here.
I personally didn’t like Barbarian as much as everyone else did. It was great up until Keith’s death and then it went downhill from there. This was fascinating to learn about as someone who has lived near Detroit. We always learn about slavery and Jim Crow era, but in a very surface level way. I wish we learned about more stuff like this in school and went more into depth about the history of states instead of hearing about British colonization and the origins of America all the time💀
The only thing missing from this video was talking about how he encouraged people to leave and said "fu** you" to Ronald Regan. Only to get sick and let the city fall to pieces
That clip was the perfect visual representation of how I felt when that woman in Barbarian said what she said, and the need to include it for that purpose was INCREDIBLY mighty! lol
@@Readus101 it was an incredible video. I wasn't interested upon the movie, and as a Hungarian have little knowledge about the historical issues of Detroit beyond "Don't Breathe"(which was actually shooted in my country).
Yeah...I rolled my eyes when Barbarian was set in Detroit. Like yes, I have admittedly never been, but it's exhausting for media to portray the city as nothing more than a sub-Silent Hill nightmare and for people to go "Yep. Seems about right," because the media stereotype is so crushing and omnipresent. I can't begin to imagine how awful it is for the people who actually live there, but you gave me a very good idea of the matter. Also, re: your second question, that's just every woman in history. The question always seems to be "How can we warp sources so we can make this person fit our extremely biased viewpoint? Because everything will be a colossal failure if we cannot run off of 500-year-old gossip from two people who really didn't like each other as it's clearly objective truth."
Detroit native here You hit a Homerun with this video But I hate how you use “people of color” as a catch phrase for Black. I’m Black. Both parents Black, type of Black. I’m not a person of color. I’m Black.
Sorry for the lack of movie footage in this video, Readers. I didn't wanna get it demonitized for accidentally showing [REDACTED]😅
Glad I'm not the only one who refuses to call it just Max. Its still HBOMax and Twitter. These aren't people, you don't have to except or respect their name changes!
As a native Detroiter, Eastside born a d raised, I always am fascinated with any story that takes place within the city and hope to God they don't go heavy on the insult and disrespect seasoning!
It's actually not real bad on that aspect. It presents the concepts and then let's the viewer work things out so if you know anything about the city then you understand what the movies messages are which are not actually disrespectful. Oh, and AJ, a white man, and Tess, a black woman, are perfect examples of the themes of the movie!
Detroiter and raised on this side of 8 mile.
This video brought a tear to my eye. I love Detroit.
Because so many people and resources left Detroit, we were forced to figure things out on our own. There's a strength, a durability, a resourcefulness that Detroiters have not found anywhere else. Still, Detroit's story is a sad one.😢
Thank you for this video.
Dude I’ve been watching you for a year- and You’re the first TH-camr I’ve seen talk about the rich racial and socioeconomic history we have! Detroit isn’t just some awful hood- I like to say Detroit is like Gotham,,,,, there’s a bit of crime and craziness- but also a rich history and (I can’t emphasize this enough) AWFUL RESOURCES!!!!!! I work with children from in and around the city and the amount of children who don’t even really know their parents (both parents work a ways away and full time) is INSANE! Like there really are no jobs for us out here
You’re seriously my favourite video essayist. I love how you make your points, bring in history and think critically. You’re always an instant watch and someone that makes me think more deeply about media.
I had an apartment I moved into on 2020 for 700 a month, I left early this year as the rent was bumped up to 1600 a month.
Thank you, I have friends who live in Detroit, one of whom is currently working on the renovation of the train station. They love the city and are hoping that it's fortunes are turning around after decades of problems. I know that the recession in the early 2000's really hit the city hard, I would love to hear more of your thoughts on the future for the city if you wouldn't mind.
I watched Discovery of Witches and there was this witch character who is disgusted by another witch's relationship with a vampire. The whole time I kept thinking "Everyone here is white."
Fantastical racism very often falls short, especially when your characters are all white/have powers of some kind.
@@Itsgay2read 💯
@@Itsgay2readPretty much
Born and raised in Detroit and surrounding suburbs (Bloomfield Hills) and currently in NY, thoroughly appreciated this history. You touched on a lot. I’ve watched your videos for awhile and happy to see your success.
I loved Barbarian , I had a grandmother that lived in Brightmore and I would spend most summers there and I loved the twist of the actor coming back to sell the house and getting killed 😂😂😂😂
Why, because he's white?
I moved to Royal Oak a couple of years ago (we are renting a house), I feel like I need to do something to help with the Urban Blight as, based on info from my grandma, my grandparents were part of the white flight that occurred right before the riots (I believe). I am also tired of people saying the "wrong side of town", when these areas are just don't have the resources they need. My little lefty brain would say lets try to get the land and try to come up with a way to make walkable living areas, but that seems way out of my reach. A quick google search brought up Detroit Blight Busters as one of the first results, but I don't know of any other ways of really helping. I also don't want a place that become overly gentrified causing the people who currently live there to not be able to live there anymore (Yay! Capitalism!) But I really feel like making these areas into better places of urban planning with mix zoning and 15 min cities/towns would perhaps show the rest of the areas that those are good. But a lot of that seems to require working with existing systems.
While I probably won't be watching Barbarian (horror and I do not mix!), I really appreciated getting the opportunity to learn more about White Flight and the history of redlining in Detroit through your analysis. This and your They Cloned Tyrone video are two of my favorites - both cover topics I kiiiind of knew about in an in-depth and engaging way, and I appreciate getting to learn more about these important historical and political issues through your analysis of popular films
One element of white flight and law enforcement you forgot to mention was Frank's longevity in preying on the inhabitants of that neighborhood despite the fact the the citizens off the neighborhood knew he was a serial killer and that there was a "crazy woman" living in the house's basement. He was only able to do what he did for so long because the city (and law enforcement) didn't care about the inhabitants of that neighborhood, as one can see by the architectural neglect of the homes there.
That is essentially how Jeffrey Dahmer was able to drug, murder, and dismember many of his victims. He lived in a poorer part of the North Side of Milwaukee which is predominantly black. The police didn’t care and failed.
It is an amazing breakdown. I was just starting to research the subject of the wht flight after your T.C.T video.
Your comment about the apartment is spot on! I recently got a job that I love in midtown that I drive 30-45 minutes to commute to. I have been looking at apartments closer and it's bananas what $1200 gets you.
You have a great voice and excellent delivery. It makes the things you are teaching easier to absorb. Do you do voiceover work? You would crush it.
A very insightful take on the movie and I hope things really do turn around for Detroit and other cities experiencing similar issues.
Unrelated: I've only been to detroit once and that was when I was living in Windsor for school and i ate shit spectacularly on a crosswalk because of the ice to the point that i scared a construction working.
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"I refuse to call it HBO Max." - I'm💀
I wish this video had existed when I was teaching poli-sci classes at a state university in the Midwest, it would have absolutely been on my syllabus.
fantastic analysis and history lesson!!! i just wish the film did more to expand on the setting. i have so many mixed feelings about the movie but most of them are that the themes, vibes, and setting of the movie are more compelling than the movie ended up being itself. the ideas are cool, but it's all surface level. needed a few more edits (and a diverse writer's room). you said it best, it's a beautiful display of white liberalism.
Grew up in Toledo, OH, and now live in Detroit. (I lived in other major cities in between, like NYC, Los Angeles, and Philly.)
Thank you for this video! I've been saying to friends of mine that gentrification is White suburbanites' way of making sure the cities their children--be they actual but more along the lines of 'skinfolk'--wanted to move back to were safe. Your video essay filled out my general thesis, and this particular one gave me more insight as to the hows and whys of Detroit's gentrification.
Keep on keeping on!
I'm an Australian so I didn't have much of a knowledge of detroit history. When I went and saw the movie I didn't know much about it other than the trailer and was pleasantly surprised with it as it was a better movie than I was expecting.
Haven't seen Barbarian, but loved this breakdown of a failing that it has.
Great content 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I moved to Detroit from rural Michigan for college in 2017 and have stayed since. Post college I worked for an after school programming nonprofit which involved working in brightmoor for some of our programs. I was actually working in brightmoor when this movie came out and I was so puzzled when I saw what they depicted as the neighborhood on the block she was staying on, didn’t recognize it as brightmoor at all. I later found out they built a fake street and filmed out in Bulgaria lol.
I had a weird kind of gross feeling watching a place where I worked, with a bunch of kids who were cool af and adults who really gave a shit about their home and community who weren’t given a whole lot to work with but did it anyway, being depicted as this bombed out, spooky backdrop. It reminded me of the film college freshmen who come out to the abandoned factory by the community garden I help out with to shoot “ruin porn”, or those videos rich kids from Birmingham film of themselves over by Heidelberg gawking at poverty. I don’t know if the residents of brightmoor got anything from this movie but Detroit’s long time residents deserve far more than for the world to gawk at the misfortune resulting from years of injustice. Especially for the profit of a dude who doesn’t even live here.
I personally didn’t like Barbarian as much as everyone else did. It was great up until Keith’s death and then it went downhill from there. This was fascinating to learn about as someone who has lived near Detroit. We always learn about slavery and Jim Crow era, but in a very surface level way. I wish we learned about more stuff like this in school and went more into depth about the history of states instead of hearing about British colonization and the origins of America all the time💀
Imma say it...
Coleman Young was the best and worst thing to happen to Detroit.
It had to be said
The only thing missing from this video was talking about how he encouraged people to leave and said "fu** you" to Ronald Regan. Only to get sick and let the city fall to pieces
I don't susected Amy Vorphal in this video. But a welcome one.
That clip was the perfect visual representation of how I felt when that woman in Barbarian said what she said, and the need to include it for that purpose was INCREDIBLY mighty! lol
@@Readus101 it was an incredible video. I wasn't interested upon the movie, and as a Hungarian have little knowledge about the historical issues of Detroit beyond "Don't Breathe"(which was actually shooted in my country).
@@bencebotye3904 I lived in the neighborhood that it takes place in the new center area
LOL was that a 69 joke? :)
Thank you!
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I have never seen Barbarian
Thank you for coming.
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Neither have I, but I wanted to show readus more support. Glad I watched this too, the deepcut on white flight was so good
Yeah...I rolled my eyes when Barbarian was set in Detroit. Like yes, I have admittedly never been, but it's exhausting for media to portray the city as nothing more than a sub-Silent Hill nightmare and for people to go "Yep. Seems about right," because the media stereotype is so crushing and omnipresent. I can't begin to imagine how awful it is for the people who actually live there, but you gave me a very good idea of the matter.
Also, re: your second question, that's just every woman in history. The question always seems to be "How can we warp sources so we can make this person fit our extremely biased viewpoint? Because everything will be a colossal failure if we cannot run off of 500-year-old gossip from two people who really didn't like each other as it's clearly objective truth."
Yeah thats about it.
Detroit native here
You hit a Homerun with this video
But I hate how you use “people of color” as a catch phrase for Black.
I’m Black.
Both parents Black, type of Black.
I’m not a person of color.
I’m Black.