I just bought a new Kioti tractor from a huge volume dealer. I told my dealer I have a Wood's grading scraper, he said... "Oh, you have the good one" Then we talked about how so many get a box scraper for grading & leveling, it does a poor job, and they are always struggling with them. I've advised many who want to level & grade things to NOT get a box scraper, to get a grading scraper, so of course they buy a box scraper then complain how bad it is.
I own a woods GSS60P. I use it for gravel and I also use it a ton for fixing the practice track for a professional motorcycle flat track racer. it works great for gokart tracks as well lol. I've got some videos of it in action.
Three years of use later and the holes for the pins that hold the scarifiers in are so wallerd out the pins fall out. Not happy with that at all! Woods said they will work harden but they only got worse!
I'm looking to get a land plane for my Bobcat T650. I think having more control up and down would be better than relying on it's weight. I know when I was using my dad's old Farmall 300 row crop with up and down pressure it worked better having the down pressure
They work very good on the front, albeit a bit different, but both have their advantages and disadvantages. Some models are made with a 3 pt on one side and a QA plate on the other. I plan on adding a QA plate to the rear of mine. For what I normally do, I don’t have an issue with weight and have rarely wished I had down pressure. If I’m ripping up hard packed stuff I use the scarifiers. Disadvantages of front usage: - The geometry is different in the fact that the loader is wanting to be pushed up. This isn’t a big deal when applying pressure but more so when in float. - You are driving over graded material. If it’s the final grade of top soil it may be undesired. Not a big deal on gravel. - If the machine spins it’s tires it is in the material that has already been worked and will require another pass. Advantages: - Saying the same things as one of the items above, you’re driving over freshly graded material. This means you should almost always be driving on level ground and are less susceptible to bumps and potholes. - You don’t have to turn around to see what you are doing. - You have down pressure. With all of that said, I think they work good in both fashions and even better if you have the ability to use it both ways.
@@JaredsShop The thing is I've only used a box blade. Never have used a land plane. When I used the box blade on my old 6600Ford tractor on the drive way it just floated up and down leaving dips and humps. I figured if I could control the up and down I could make it more flat. I've got a Brute megagrapple 2084 that I use on the Bobcat I like the control on it. I think a land plane would work better though. I don't like that the land planes for tractors have the blades angled but, the land planes for skid steers are straight across. I have found one that can be moved manually and one that is hydraulic for skid steer. They're very expensive though. The hydraulic one is over 5k. I don't think it's worth the extra myself.
@@flash1259 The reason the blades on the tractor scrapers are angled is because they cut better. It gives it a shearing action and prevents blade hop. Just that little amount of angle makes them work SO much better at cutting. Imagine the action of sliding a knife through a steak instead of just pushing it down through the steak. In normal operation behind a tractor I would use the scarifiers to break up the ground if needed, then flip them back up, and then just drive around with just the blades. Just another note to keep in mind, and might be the most important note as I continue to hear you talk, you’re not going to use the grader scraper (land plane) like a box blade. You don’t manually feather the height of it for the vast majority of all work. It has shoes/skids on the side, the blades aren’t tall, and there is no back. You let the land plane ride on the skids and and the material flow over the blades and spread out. If you try to manually control the height and treat it like a box blade you’ll continue to fight it.
@@JaredsShop I understand what you're saying. I was just kind of complaining about the blades on a skid steer being straight not angled like the tractor. I like them angled because it doesn't just keep whatever you're leveling in one spot while it's being pulled. I do think having both connections on the land plane would work great. I've thought about doing that before. I wasn't sure what I'd think about how it looked though. I guess if it worked looking a little weird wouldn't hurt. BTW you won't use scarifiers on my driveway or the road here. Too many stationary rocks. I've tried using them on the box blade and just ended up bending them.
@@flash1259 Sorry I misunderstood. Take a look at this one. It doesn’t have scarifiers but it gives you an idea of how they look. idigtexas.com/product/industrial-road-grader-quick-attach-3-point/
Thanks so much!! I’m sorry. To say it’s been busy is an understatement. The hardest thing for me is finding time to edit. I probably have content for at least 20-30 videos. I’ll make time over the next week to edit and upload a video and try to get more regular with them.
That would not be a fair comparison at all. Those are not in the same HP range. The 25 series is for tractors of 40-90HP and the Woods GSS is for 14-45HP. The 15 series is for 20-50HP, which makes this a very fair comparison. Also, the GS2572 is $1000 more than the GSS72P. Even the GS1572 is more expensive than the GSS72P.
I think it does. I use my grader scraper A LOT more than my box blade. The grader scraper cuts better because it has 2 blades and they are set at an angle so it kind of shears. A box blade has a tendency to hop. The scraper is also awesome for driveways where you can let the material flow over the blades to level stuff out. You have to constantly feather with a box blade. A scraper also has shoes to keep it from digging too much or prevent from digging at all if you set your blades above the shoes. A box blade will be better at cutting though because the edges are thin metal with no shoes so it will dig in easier.
@@JaredsShop Yep, thats their lightweight model. The heavy duty model will not do that. And if you read their response about the one that bent, they have added re enforcing struts to that model to prevent that.
@@rogerhale6404 That model should not have bent like that, even if it was a light model. It was just a driveway and was being pulled by a 30hp tractor. It’s not like he was stump pulling with a 100hp tractor. For homestead to suggest that it was due to him not using scarifiers is laughable. Their replies and handling of all issues leaves a lot to be desired. All they do is blame the end user for any issue and will not stand behind their implements. They’ve lost a ton of customers across different groups because of their responses. They would have been better off not responding or saying it was out of warranty due to time. Making baseless claims has really hurt them. I know I’ll never buy anything from them and never steer anyone towards them either.
Two good units… lots of great fun available!!
I just bought a new Kioti tractor from a huge volume dealer. I told my dealer I have a Wood's grading scraper, he said... "Oh, you have the good one" Then we talked about how so many get a box scraper for grading & leveling, it does a poor job, and they are always struggling with them. I've advised many who want to level & grade things to NOT get a box scraper, to get a grading scraper, so of course they buy a box scraper then complain how bad it is.
That’s awesome to hear. Same experiences I’ve had!
I own a woods GSS60P. I use it for gravel and I also use it a ton for fixing the practice track for a professional motorcycle flat track racer. it works great for gokart tracks as well lol. I've got some videos of it in action.
Awesome! Glad to see you’re happy with yours as well.
@@JaredsShop I've damn near worn it out lol
@@midcoasttractorservice9182
😂😂 Wow. I’ve only used mine a couple dozen times.
I like the Land Pride one - that's the one I own.
In reality, both are good implements with minor variations. Pick the variations you desire.
Both are definitely pretty good. It’s hard to tell in the video but the woods is built much heavier. I prefer the carriage of the LP though.
Both very expensive- I just ordered a GS1572 Land Pride and I have to wait until September. WOW.
Wow. Thats a good wait. I paid much less for my Woods than the LP, but I have a good Woods dealer that isn’t terribly far away.
Three years of use later and the holes for the pins that hold the scarifiers in are so wallerd out the pins fall out. Not happy with that at all! Woods said they will work harden but they only got worse!
So your woods scarifiers have holes that are opened up? Or the holes in the grader itself are opened up?
From using te scrifiers so much the holes the pins that hold them in go through are agg shaped and the pin works its way out.
Love my grader scraper too!
I think it’s one of the most useful implements you can buy. It the most used 3pt implement I own.
Nice video! Thanks
Thanks!!
Nice comparison
Thanks!!
I'm looking to get a land plane for my Bobcat T650. I think having more control up and down would be better than relying on it's weight. I know when I was using my dad's old Farmall 300 row crop with up and down pressure it worked better having the down pressure
They work very good on the front, albeit a bit different, but both have their advantages and disadvantages. Some models are made with a 3 pt on one side and a QA plate on the other. I plan on adding a QA plate to the rear of mine.
For what I normally do, I don’t have an issue with weight and have rarely wished I had down pressure. If I’m ripping up hard packed stuff I use the scarifiers.
Disadvantages of front usage:
- The geometry is different in the fact that the loader is wanting to be pushed up. This isn’t a big deal when applying pressure but more so when in float.
- You are driving over graded material. If it’s the final grade of top soil it may be undesired. Not a big deal on gravel.
- If the machine spins it’s tires it is in the material that has already been worked and will require another pass.
Advantages:
- Saying the same things as one of the items above, you’re driving over freshly graded material. This means you should almost always be driving on level ground and are less susceptible to bumps and potholes.
- You don’t have to turn around to see what you are doing.
- You have down pressure.
With all of that said, I think they work good in both fashions and even better if you have the ability to use it both ways.
@@JaredsShop The thing is I've only used a box blade. Never have used a land plane. When I used the box blade on my old 6600Ford tractor on the drive way it just floated up and down leaving dips and humps. I figured if I could control the up and down I could make it more flat. I've got a Brute megagrapple 2084 that I use on the Bobcat I like the control on it. I think a land plane would work better though. I don't like that the land planes for tractors have the blades angled but, the land planes for skid steers are straight across. I have found one that can be moved manually and one that is hydraulic for skid steer. They're very expensive though. The hydraulic one is over 5k. I don't think it's worth the extra myself.
@@flash1259
The reason the blades on the tractor scrapers are angled is because they cut better. It gives it a shearing action and prevents blade hop. Just that little amount of angle makes them work SO much better at cutting. Imagine the action of sliding a knife through a steak instead of just pushing it down through the steak.
In normal operation behind a tractor I would use the scarifiers to break up the ground if needed, then flip them back up, and then just drive around with just the blades.
Just another note to keep in mind, and might be the most important note as I continue to hear you talk, you’re not going to use the grader scraper (land plane) like a box blade. You don’t manually feather the height of it for the vast majority of all work. It has shoes/skids on the side, the blades aren’t tall, and there is no back. You let the land plane ride on the skids and and the material flow over the blades and spread out. If you try to manually control the height and treat it like a box blade you’ll continue to fight it.
@@JaredsShop I understand what you're saying. I was just kind of complaining about the blades on a skid steer being straight not angled like the tractor. I like them angled because it doesn't just keep whatever you're leveling in one spot while it's being pulled. I do think having both connections on the land plane would work great. I've thought about doing that before. I wasn't sure what I'd think about how it looked though. I guess if it worked looking a little weird wouldn't hurt.
BTW you won't use scarifiers on my driveway or the road here. Too many stationary rocks. I've tried using them on the box blade and just ended up bending them.
@@flash1259
Sorry I misunderstood.
Take a look at this one. It doesn’t have scarifiers but it gives you an idea of how they look.
idigtexas.com/product/industrial-road-grader-quick-attach-3-point/
Why have you not put out any videos lately? You have a good channel and I miss your content.
Thanks so much!! I’m sorry. To say it’s been busy is an understatement. The hardest thing for me is finding time to edit. I probably have content for at least 20-30 videos. I’ll make time over the next week to edit and upload a video and try to get more regular with them.
Overall you just can't go wrong with a woods implement .
Totally agree!
After that I’d pick the Woods
I’m happy with my new Woods. Thanks!
you need to compare the 25 series land pride to the woods for a fair comparison
That would not be a fair comparison at all. Those are not in the same HP range. The 25 series is for tractors of 40-90HP and the Woods GSS is for 14-45HP. The 15 series is for 20-50HP, which makes this a very fair comparison.
Also, the GS2572 is $1000 more than the GSS72P. Even the GS1572 is more expensive than the GSS72P.
i got my kubota with a box blade. curious if the scraper adds enough value to get one if you already have the box blade.
I think it does. I use my grader scraper A LOT more than my box blade. The grader scraper cuts better because it has 2 blades and they are set at an angle so it kind of shears. A box blade has a tendency to hop. The scraper is also awesome for driveways where you can let the material flow over the blades to level stuff out. You have to constantly feather with a box blade. A scraper also has shoes to keep it from digging too much or prevent from digging at all if you set your blades above the shoes.
A box blade will be better at cutting though because the edges are thin metal with no shoes so it will dig in easier.
Homestead land plane
There a post about a homestead land plane in a Facebook group today showing how easily it bent and how homestead won’t stand behind it. Sad.
@@JaredsShop Yep, thats their lightweight model. The heavy duty model will not do that. And if you read their response about the one that bent, they have added re enforcing struts to that model to prevent that.
@@rogerhale6404
That model should not have bent like that, even if it was a light model. It was just a driveway and was being pulled by a 30hp tractor. It’s not like he was stump pulling with a 100hp tractor. For homestead to suggest that it was due to him not using scarifiers is laughable.
Their replies and handling of all issues leaves a lot to be desired. All they do is blame the end user for any issue and will not stand behind their implements. They’ve lost a ton of customers across different groups because of their responses. They would have been better off not responding or saying it was out of warranty due to time. Making baseless claims has really hurt them. I know I’ll never buy anything from them and never steer anyone towards them either.
@@JaredsShopthat's why I'm giving them a Pass, their Pinnacle line looks stout but their customer service is not great.
@@nrosario
Agreed. I’ve seen quite a few posts by theme where they just blatantly blame the customer. They don’t seem to take ownership of anything.