@@Dolphinboithis might also be a symptom of misogyny but the actor for Robbie is also seen in a better light than the actor for Tori, since people made up a beef with her and Arianna.
Trina was called a lot of things in the show but ugly was not one of them. It was always heavily implied she was disliked because of her crazy personality and huge ego, not because she was physically unattractive.
I AGREE! people keep saying that Trina was the ugly one but the whole point of her character was that she is arrogant and doesn't get along with people
There were definitely a lot of context clues that showed how even strangers didn’t like Trina because she was physically unattractive to them. I think that stemmed from her being mid sized while all the other women in the show were extremely skinny. In “Wi-Fi in the sky”, Trina moves in front of Tori’s camera and her butt is the centre of the screen. From the guy’s disgusted reactions, I think the joke was supposed to be “she’s so fat that her butt takes up the entire screen”. Also in the Kesha episode, the kid wanted to kiss all three girls aside from Trina. There’s probably more examples, but I think there were moments that inferred how unattractive Trina was due to her weight ig, which checks out for the beauty standards at the time
@@BabyGirlTinyExactly, if he wasn’t Dan’s self insert 💀 If he wasn’t he prolly would’ve simply been this awkwardly cute nerdy guy, but the creep factor ain’t it
The actress for Trina actually talked about in an interview once how she did get insecure playing her :( how she hated not only being sexualized when she objected to it (such as the pickle and lipgloss scene) but how they made her be such an unappealing character
In a world where Victorious wasn't a kids show written by Dan Schneider would be a world where we would've gotten better storylines, actual development, and an actual finale...
Actually, I never thought of that. But that would be awesome if they did it now. An adult show with all the same characters and almost close storyline but 10× better. Of course it wouldn't be the same people playing the characters(almost in every remake it takes time to get used to new characters) but other then that a show like that would be soooo good. I hope they make one
I honestly liked that tori and andre were just friends. It was nice as a kid to see a purely platonic friendship between a girl and a guy. Nothing forced, just two people being friends.
@@amberwasatomicWell that's because they never gave him a real relationship as they did with so many black side characters on Disney and Nickelodeon. Always a passing thought.
i never realized how prominent the pirate joke was 😭 i remembered it being said once but 3 times along with the “looky what i got” “NO I DONT WANNA SEE THAT AGAIN” absolutely wild 💀
I remember reading somewhere that cats personality changed so drastically cuz she was abused and sa'd but I never wouldve expected the theory that robbie couldve been the one who did that to her
I feel like Jade and Tori were the most popular ship online back when the show was airing. Jori has had the most fanfics on the internet written out of all the ships back in the day. Though I think with the show coming to Netflix and the recent Tori/Victoria Justice hate train Beck and Jade and Cat and Jade have become a bit more popular in online fandom. Yet I still think there are a lot more Jori fanfics than anything else.
I 100% agree. People forget that this show came out in 2010 when the internet was sooooooo different back then. I hate when newer fans today don’t acknowledge a show’s history and the fandom culture that came with it, esp with ships. So many ppl I’ve talked to in recent years felt like Jori was never a thing when it was actually a huge thing back then. Even now, a lot of ppl still like it, but are just not as vocal about it like back then bc Jori is not as “trendy” or discussed like other ships/parts of the show
@@4lifeSHINeecos it’s not 2010 anymore. It’s not such a culturally impactful thing that most people would remember that lol. Also a large part of the fandom were mid to late Gen z so we didn’t even have social media and didn’t notice any of that, we just watched it for the music and laughs.
I always liked Tori and Andre personally. They got along great (even as friends) and I like it when couples are shown to get along and support each other, they would’ve been a healthy and fun couple to see 😄
Honestly that's why I preferred them as best friends! I love that we got to see a teen guy and girl who were close friends WITHOUT it ever becoming romantic.
Hell no. There was no romantic chemistry between them, only a very strong friendship and that's okay. There was romantic chemistry between Andre and Jade though. I feel like Andre would make a good partner for Jade even though he's scared of her like everyone else is, like Beck he's strong enough to handle her. He comes from a bit of a difficult home life like she does so he can understand a lot of her pain. He can call her out on her crap and keep her in check but he will also be completely loyal to her and never so anything to make her insecure or ACTIVELY FEED her jealousy unlike Beck.
Hi here is my rant for why Andre fell in love with Jade for that episode and how it could have made a lot more sense if they had done it right. Everyone in the group in some way had this belief that Jade was scary and overdramatic, while so of that is of her own volition her and Beck's relationship was not the healthiest. So, when Andre is scared to work with her alone and then realizes that she is a completely normal and chill person sometimes, he falls in love with that part of her. I actually think that they could have done better with this storyline and kept it because they clearly wanted to make Beck and Tori a thing anyway. If they allowed for a slower development and a lot of communication, Andre would have been a great choice after the relationship with Beck especially since Beck and Jade could have worked out as friends but they needed way more growth in my opinion.
Agreed. If they had stretched it out and Dan wasn't a coward and ( possibly racist in his portrayal of black characters) then Andre and Jade would have worked so well
I shipped Beck and Cat for a while. Like had they not infantalized her so much they would have been cute. I liked how she hid behind him or he protected her and i see them as more of an option than Andre and Cat. But Trina and Beck should have had a more serious chance. I know he was pretending to like her but they had good chemistry and Trina was a great character who maybe tried too hard. But had no one in her corner. Including her dad.
i feel like robbie was obsessed with cat even though he liked every girl in the show it's because cat never directly rejected him or at least not grossed out like every other girl
unpopular or popular opinion: I think tori and beck would make a nice couple sure beck has his red flags but I feel like if he was with tori it would def be more healthier than if he was with jade, but..if im being honest I feel like beck would get bored of tori since he mention how whenever jade gets jealous or mean it he enjoys it, he enjoys seeing jade get angry and if that's the case we all know tori isn't the kind to be "mean" or aggressive.
Shit that could’ve led to Jade and Andre being a thing. Even if my only reasons is because he liked her at one point, even she couldn’t find anything wrong about him, and they have more chemistry than Jade and Beck which is SERIOUSLY sad.
honestly that would've been such an interesting plot for them to let tori and beck actually date only for them to realise that they liked each other more as best friends and were only infatuated with the idea of each other. and jade and andre could've also explored their relationship, etc. shame the creators ruined the show 💀
I agagree that he'd get bored with Tori, in every situation she's supported him as a friend and is generally agreeable and I think a lot of the beck/Tori appeal for him is that she's a relatively safe person to antagonize his girlfriend with. He's been shown to enjoy Jade's jealousy from time to time and yes Tori gets into wacky situations but he'd be bored quickly... ... which is why I support Cat or Trina as great pairings for Beck. Neither are boring and both would challenge him and change him
Liz Gillies and Avan Jogia said that every time they were in the background they would act on the subtext that they were in a HUUUUUUUGE fight. Like entire storylines about why they are fighting just created by the two of them, going on in the background.
i totally ship: jade & tori i feel that they would be so cute, i can see it. the whole enemies to lovers troupe but also just the fact that they are opposites. i feel like jade would help tori step out of her comfort zone and that tori could help jade be more confident in herself and not to expect the worse. i feel that jade sometimes thinks that someones going to hurt her which is why she reacts the way she does. robbie & beck idk why but i do. i so agree with what you said about robbie & beck. i feel like he would help robbie be more confident and that robbie could help beck be less of a jerk at times. i think they would compliment each other well.
That and I liked the fact they can be good friends without being romantic. It's not often we see a guy and a girl having platonic relationship in the media and that's what made them so unique in my opinion.
beck's doesn't make sense tbh bc how is he made out to be the "hot guy that everyone wants" but he's in a relationship? why not make him single and make the fact that he's too laid back to stay in a relationship?
I think you underestimate Jade and Andre, although it came out of nowhere, it has potential. Specifically if you compare how Andre will treat her/the relationship vs how Beck does, Jade would because a kinder/chill person with Andre. But I ship Andre with Tori and sorta Cat too, he'd fit everyone
I don't think it would have worked. Remeber Andre girlfriend that had a producer dad ? I feel like she was kinda a toxic in a similar to Jade. She was jealous, possesive, try to tell Andre what to do, what to wear, how to act in a similar manner that Jade does towards her boyfriend Beck. But even if Beck just accept that, Andre hates that and ended up hating his girlfriend and breaking up with her. I think her character was similar enough to Jade that we can use to imagine a relationship between Jade and Andre and see how bad it would have been. I actually do not like this ship at all
Tori at least had a character development and become a girl's girl by rejecting Beck's advances 😞 didn't Gwen dated Duncan despite apologizing to Courtney multiple times after she got caught kissing him idk
18:03 “Tori gets to date Beck without feeling guilty about betraying Jade because she's dating her too” This somehow has the same energy as “I kissed a random girl at a party and I didn't want her bf to get upset, so I kissed him too 🥺”
I disagree with Beck and Jade not changing at all… Jade sure, but I think a change happened in Beck in that episode where he realized he likes that Jade is argumentative and stands her ground. So the problem he had with her isn’t really there anymore. He might have even come to realize he likes arguing with her to some degree. More like it’s toxic but it works for them imo Also I like the whole thing where Beck can’t be frightened and then in Jade’s song there’s a line about not being able to scare the guy she’s singing about (you’re not afraid of me and I can’t convince you)
No the only problem is still there, he just doesn’t know what a healthy relationship is. Because there was no balance, he went back to the toxicity with Jade because it’s more fun than someone who always agrees with him. Which goes against the entire point they broke up. He didn’t change, he just realized that it’s more fun to be toxic
I do agree that since jade knows about the pirate game she probably would unironically kill Robbie, but I think it’s possible too that cat might’ve repressed what happened or doesn’t know how to articulate what happened. I am a victim of sexual assault, and I repressed most of the trauma so the perpetrator was able to get away with it and stayed friends with them until I broke. Idk hearing her scream no and say “put it away I don’t want to see that thing again” makes me feel like it’s not an innocent game like some people think. Also we gotta remember this is Dan I like children’s feet Schneider
the thing about jade and beck, as toxic as it is, they both sort of deserve each other. Beck many times actively gave reasons for Jade to be jealous, the episode where he takes many girls on his car, like how would any girlfriend react to that???However jade was very aggressive and could get very possessive. The episode where they break up, and Beck gets frustrated that the girl he was with, puts him on a pedestal and agrees with everything he says, truth to it, beck loves how much Jade challenges him, and how she doesn’t put him on a pedestal and actively calls him out when she disagrees with him and beck likes that.
Exactlyyy! That's why I'd always say Saddie will always be worse than Bade. Because at least Beck equals Jade with his own toxicity unlike poor Freddie who was made dumb and Sam continued beating and demeaning him even while he tried to date her!🤦🏽♀️
It’s even more interesting when you realize how “close” the cast was lol they really could’ve all dated each other at one point or another and it would’ve worked narratively
nooooo for trina. she most likely avoided them either because they were a grade younger, or they were torys friends. tory and trina had small periods where they liked eachother. yes, poorly written ones, but still moments.
My favorite ship in Victorious is all of them in a poly relationship because they all had a lot of romantic (and oddly sexual for a kids show) tension for one another. Honestly is Victorious came back in a iCarly reboot type of show I feel like it would have them all be in a polygamous relationship
As a kid I went along with the Cat and Robbie ship and bounce between Beck/Jade and Beck/Tori....but as I got older, and even now, the only ship I truly cared about was Tori and Andre. I'm a sucker for best friends to lovers trope, and those two had such great chemistry and such a great friendship that I thought they'd be great together romantically if it were to ever happen. Only thing about this ship is I'd want the show to either fully commit to it (have a whole arc, bring them together, and have them stay together) or never even acknowledge it (like they actually do), because they are great as friends AND as a ship, but if it was teased too much as a ship but never created to last the friendship part would be ruined. Anyways, Tori and Andre ended up together just before graduating in my headcanon.
I like Tori and Andre but always as a hypothetical because i felt like they got along so well and healthfully because they had a very true genuine sibling relationship where you're completely comfortable with another person if the opposite sex platonically
ngl i love that tori and andre were friends without any romance, but at the same time i wanted them together so bad. i'm a huge sucker for friends to lovers, so for me I would've loved to see their romance as a slow and gradual thing. andre and jade was a ship no one asked for, but since the crew presented it to us, it was actually a great ship in my opinion. they don't have any animosity between them and have actual respect for each other, especially on Jade's part, something not a lot of people in the show can say. and Jade and Tori, my toxic doomed yuri
Robbie was so much creepier than I remember. I hate how many things they passed off as jokes in children's programming. I loved Victorious, even the parts I now understand to be bit problematic - perfect example being Beck and Jade who I still jokingly defend - but I just could never fuck with Robbie and I'm starting to think he probably just made me really uncomfortable.
Beck and Jade, in my opinion, from the first episode have been at that “I love you but I don’t like you” stage and neither of them can tell the difference.
robbie and cat would probably be my favourite ship if robbie wasn't so creepy. like i don't even know why they wrote him that way, there was more potential but they said nah, he needs to a perverted creep with obsessive, stalker tendencies and we need to heavily imply that he sexually assaulted cat but can't actually say it because it's still a kids show. why was this necessary?? 😭😭
Unfortunately the reason Beck had to stay with Jade in the show is because it was the only thing interesting about his character. I think the writers planned on originally having Tori and Beck end up together tbh. And then at some point they decided never to do it - probably because it would’ve been too predictable and a little cliché. so instead they played with the scenario and dangled it in front of fans that wanted it & dragged out a toxic relationship through most of the show because the other half of fans liked it. I don’t like either ship and I think it’s because in this show the characters can’t grow too much - so Jade is stagnant, she will always be toxic/insecure/a bully. And Beck, they just wrote his character terribly. I don’t think the writers wanted his character to be interpreted as the bad guy. But his actions and carelessness made him seem narcissistic and manipulative. almost like he kept Tori close to mess with Jade.
TY FOR THE CAT AND JADE THING! They really don't view eachother in a way that would make a romantic relationship also the scenes with beck and robbie was something I never noticed and I laughed so hard when he grabbed him
Somehow Beck and Jade feel worst then Seddie. Probably because Seddie didn’t last too long and Jade and Beck stay breaking up and getting back toget her for whatever reason that exists. Though I find it hilarious that people constantly blame Jade for the relationship problems as if Beck is some perfect angel. It’s almost as stupid as the fans who hate and critics Tori over every bad thing she’s done yet defend Jade’s own actions that are worst. And even stupider? Tori literally turns him down despite her having ZERO reason to do so. It speaks volumes to her development yeah but she didn’t owe Jade a single thing at that point. They were barely even friends, Jade treats her like shit mostly, Jade and Beck weren’t together anymore, and he was showing interest.
@@giorgiamoretti6642 it would've been interesting to see the reactions though, it was a waste to not do anything about them. and jade still treated tori like shit even after seeing tori reject beck for her
I love Cat and Andre idk why I just love their relationship and I feel like he is one of the few who yes sees how childlike she is but doesn’t tune her out as a person I feel like that comes from his relationship with his grandma but their relationship is sweet
Trina and Beck could actually be good especially for Beck. He would have someone who isn’t easy and she would also give him gifts and do nice things for him. He would still be able to make her jealous
I do know it was gross but i don't get why he wanted to go home so bad I always thought it was cuz she scared him or her breath smelled can someone explain😭
When Cat screams "my hair has nothing to do with my trauma" my heart kinda skipped a beat. Poor girl. I really don't like how she was treated in this show by both writers and other characters
i personsally enjoyed the thought of andre and jade, that's if they explored their friendship better before introducing the ship. andre was the one person jade never made fun of or had any issues with, plus andre just looks good with anyone. also i'd like to think cat and robbie would've been cute had Dan not sprinkled a bit of himself into robbie's character.
Jade had some issues, and she needed someone that would understand that, be comprehensive and reassuring. She had potential to grow, but she never got to grow
She grew but only, like minimally, I feel like she wasn't the same Jade in the first episode anymore. Still mean but tame but the rest stayed same, I think? Cat's chatacter went progressively worse, it's like she mentally regressed.
“And maybe Robbie can help Beck not be such a piece of shit” ☠️ LITERALLY spit out my water. U didn’t lie- Also, while in theory the throuple would work…Tori deserves better than to be some in-between like we know they would make her even further. Anddd she deserves better than Beck or Jade bc of how they treat her (plus they suck as ppl anyways)
i never understood why the show teased tori/beck so much because all the online fans seemed to either love beck/jade or jade/tori (or both). personally beck/tori just didn't interest me at all, i just never felt much chemistry and their relationship always seemed to hinge on jade's reaction to them. i felt that tori and andre had a strong chemistry and interacted way more than tori and beck, whos relationship always got propelled by something happening with jade.
You made some great points! My opinions about some of the ships if anyone cares: - Cat and Robbie were my guilty pleasure but it's always been more like "I would love them together if Robbie was less of a creep", especially the pirate thing is hard to ignore and the only reason I still enjoyed them at times is that I could interpret it differently. Same with Jade wanting to bury Tori. I tried to pretend it was a dumb joke because otherwise she should be seen as a villain - I have mixed feelings about Jade & Tori because they have a great chemistry, I'd be interested to see them getting together and wouldn't mind it but as with Cat and Robbie, it's hard to forget about that joke. Stealing Tori's blood might be a bit too much as well. Either way, them always getting back to normal after reconciling was annoying, I know it's a tweens show but it doesn't mean that characters can't make any progress - Tori and Andre would be my favourite couple if the creators decided to make them a thing, I can't help but love the friends to lovers trope and their friendship was so wholesome. That being said, I like them being platonic besties too. There's a lot of wasted potential but I still like these three ships (plus Robbie x Beck and Tori x Beck) better than Creddie and Seddie, Sam was too violent and Creddie felt forced. I only liked Creddie in the revival series
For the Jade and Tori episode, or even all the episodes with relationships, the episodes were backwards. For example, the date episode with Jade and Tori could've happened in the earlier season where Jade held a grudge for Tori's kiss with Beck. Then, the following episode would be the reality show episode where we could see them being civil to each other, but that would crash and burn from the promo with Tori and Beck. The episode after would be Jade takes Tori's spot and the final would be the episode where Tori helped Jade's play succeed. All in all, they mixed the episodes.
Recently my little sibling was rewatching Victorious and I realized Beck/Cat and Beck/Andre are actually really good ships despite not having many moments (I always die on this hill called rareships no matter the fandom,,)
my whole life has been me thinking about these ships way in detail and you put my thoughts into something I don't have to think about manually now (I hope this makes sense) thank you
i remember watching the episode when andre develops a crush on jade and i found it so weird, of all the characters it just made more sense if he developed a crush on tori since they have a rlly close relationship and it would make more sense since many confuse platonic feelings for romantic. it would have been a good episode if he had a crush on tori then realised oh no we have a better friendship dynamic, but i am aware that this show was for kids obvi the writing isn't going to be amazing
as a kid and teen, the pirate jokes went over my head. it wasnt until i was an adult that i understood, and it destroyed any happiness i felt about this ship 😭 i hate that this was even a “joke” in the show, but considering all the other sick shit the creator added to his shows, i cant say im surprised 😔 he lowkey tainted my memories of these shows
Robbie and Cat is one of my favorite ships of all time since both characters are my personal favorites in the series. Despite Robbie's perversion, their relationship was so wholesome, interesting and quirky in a way that was humorous. I love how they just accept each others' quirks and unlike Beck and Jade, they never had any personal conflicts that badly affected their relationship (except for the pirates thing). Also Ariana Grande and Matt Bennett have a lot of on-screen chemistry, more so than Beck and Jade. Fun fact - Whenever he tries to hit on her, she laughs before says gross (which could be a defense mechanism) but in this where they are singing about bad news, Cat is surprisingly grossed out that Robbie's real name is Robert and she DOESN'T laugh which implies that she's more grossed out by that than Robbie suggesting that they make out and "snoodle". th-cam.com/video/fD2SCEIYVAU/w-d-xo.html
Tori and Andre will always be on top for me. Every time I rewatch I remember how we were robbed. They worked too well together and all their songs were bangers too. Them in that ice cream for Kesha ep?? All their hugs?! Yeh!
I'm so glad that you arent biased towards Victorious and gave an honest and blunt review of the ships! I would also argue that the show Victorious was not as well written compared to some of Dan's other sitcoms. IMO what makes the show stand out by itself would be the characters that are played by the actors/actresses. The dialogue of the show isnt enough for the show to hold on its own. Its heavily dependent on the characters which I think that's telling. As you had stated yourself, a lot of the problems that go down between the ships make little to no sense and the show teases at hinting other ships and its dependent on the chemistry of the characters. It makes it difficult for the viewers like myself to follow through with the intentions of where the show is going when the storyline-character chemistry doesn't match. I really liked this video!
Okay, so this is my opinion on the Andre ships, since he was my favourite character on the show and I payed the most attention to him and his interactions: (TLDR at the end) For the show; as it is, Andre and Tori MAKE THE MOST SENSE. I could see for the final season (the one I assume they had planned before the cancellation), that either Tori or Andre or both would come to a realization early on that they were into the other. We would then get moments of awkward tension and hilarious misinterpretations between the two until the final 2 episodes - where they would likely have a 2 part graduation from Hollywood Arts, and Andre would rush off to find Tori and admit his love for her, and she would return his feelings and the two would kiss and everyone would cheer. It just makes sense. They spent the most time together, the show has established them as perfect partners! Even their fights end with one comforting the other and reconciling in the end. They had all the foundations laid down, the final season was for sure going to be when they starting layering their relationship. Now, I think if the show had a more serious turn: Andre and Jade would be so much fun to explore. I've seen people talk about how Andre noticed Jade being normal, calm and fun to be around and those qualities made him realise just how much he liked her. I like the idea of the two of them building a slow burn relationship. Jade learning to trust someone and not having to constantly be alert for any girls challenging her for her man, especially when she sees Andre shut down any and all advances swiftly. Jade learning to curb her insecurities that, let's be honest here, Beck inflated. Andre learning that standing up for himself isn't something that would result in a negative outcome everytime (RE: when the group peer pressured him into missing his 97 year old great grandad's birthday to write a song for Tori). Jade & Andre learning how to be there for each other and how to be vulnerable and express their emotions and feelings. Overall, I think the Andre and Tori were the safest bet, and the most likely pairing we were going to see Andre land into. However, I love the slight dramatic feel the show could explore if they had gone with Andre and Jade. To use your example, despite it having a very similar layout and feel to Victorious, iCarly was able to balance those serious character moments really, really well. Examples: 1. Sam and Freddy on the fire escape after she shamed him for never having kissed anyone. 2. Carly talking to Freddy after he had saved her from that Taco truck. 3. Sam and Freddy's break up in the elevator. I know these are all romantic moments but that's my point, the fact that they had these moments in the first place, allowing the characters to have actual moments of vulnerablity with very little inclusion of laugh tracks and very soft, barely noticeable music in the background allowed us as the audience to believe them in these moments. If Victorious had made time and effort for these moments, then I truly believe Jade and Andre would have been the best ship on the show. TLDR; Tori & Andre made sense for the show. Jade & Andre are good if they're further explored as a couple.
beck and jade's relationship is so confusing. honestly, when he said he didn't like "easy" girls, i thought well, maybe he just wants someone he can keep constantly anxious and on edge while he makes himself look "chill, cool." it also made me mad that jade didn't have any other romantic interests while they were broken up, maybe seeing her be different with another partner would have made beck realize he wasn't exactly a "victim", idk. lol. i'm a BIG beck hater. if i heard him talking about me as the worst person ever (just to make a girl kiss him!!!), i'd also be jealous and insecure all the time, i'd be thinking "why on earth would he be with me if i'm the most awful person in his mind?" MAKE IT MAKE SENSE! i'd be fully convinced that ANY nice girl like tori could make him prefer her. god, he's awful.
I thought about Andre and Tori getting together when I was little, but rewatching this show, I really loved the opposite sex best friend duo that never get together, or have romantic feelings for each other representation. I loved all the moments where Andre was close with all his friends because it was so cute how he was endearing, and slightly flirtatious without having anything progress other than his short Jade crush
Personally i really really ship cabbie (Cat and Robbie) Of course dan schneider didn`t need to project on Robbie, but i try to ignore that part and just like enjoy the sweet side of their relationship. You kinda missed the point of "I think you`re swell", Robbie doesn't write it just to make Cat feel better. At the start of the episode Robbie says to Tori that he wrote a song for a girl and a little after, when Cat gets happy about her date, Robbie is visibly sad (disappointed that he couldnt perform his song to Cat and show her how he feels). Also Cat is one of the only characters who doesnt bully him and actually understand his situation with Rex. There are some vivid moments that ill list now: 1. In that episode where Robbie is sad that nobody wants to go out with him and everyone lists reasons why, Cat doesnt say anything 2. When Robbie is having bad dreams, Cat is the only one who is actually concerned about him and offers to help him by sending him to the school counsler. 3. In the "locked away" episode, when Robbie goes to the girls bed, Cat is the only one to not be grossed out, and actually seems happy that Robbie is there 4. In the episode where Cat is listening to the hold sound on her phone, Robbie takes her phone and Cat doesnt really mind I can yap about this for hours, so ill stop here hah. Im curious about yalls opinions so you can reply and yeah. Sorry for my rant, but i just love them sm
5:41 Sex. It's sex. There's a scene where they're being recorded in a private moment and the topic is brought up. Granted, the talk stops once they notice, but, it's right there
Apparently Tori and Andre were supposed to be endgame but the thing is I liked them just being friends. I know many would say this would be a bit toxic but I think Tori and Jade would’ve made a better couple. There’s an analysis video on Jade where one of her things is that she doesn’t allow anyone to touch her besides Beck and Tori. Yeah they’d fight but when they were forced to go out on a date for the play they actually started to connect. Potential was there BUT since that would’ve been highly unlikely Jade and Andre would’ve been a great couple. Jade has actually never been mean to Andre. She’s never said anything negative about him. She saw him as a friend and when they were working together on a song she never messed with him once. I wouldn’t have minded them becoming a couple either
If I was forced to make a guess, the reason they averted all of Jade's development is because the show needed an antagonist, and she fit. Ironically enough, that plan worked against the show more than anything else, because Jade is very well-liked, and fans would've wanted to see her grow and officially bury the hatchet with Tori.
Nickolodeon has a history of missed opportunities so I'm not really surprised they missed a ton of opportunities with these ships. I feel like Tori and Beck and Trina and Andre might have made sense? My favorites were Tori and Andre, Tori and Jade and Robbie and Beck.
I actually really appreciate the fact that they never push a romantic relationship between Tori and Andre. The fact that Andre has a crush on Jade also makes sense in the context of them rarely spending time together. Jade is a beautiful girl, their lack of such closeness allows him to create any romantic idea of her his brain comes up with. His closeness with Tori hinders that as he understands her closely as a person and friend Sise note there was nothing flirty about the way Toried was rubbing coffee of Beck's shirt. Awkward yes but flirty no way that anyone could seriously see it that way
I was totally today years old when i finally get that Beck was just and only into kissing Tori because she was uncomfy with that idea. She was a challenge to him, not a human being he would be interested in or anything, just a f challenge, and he used Jade like a puppet to try to fool Tori into liking him. He is the narcissist without any blame, why does she care more about my ex gf feelings than kissing me i am so cool ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
That’s a good point. If show refused to invest in the tori and Beck ship, they would have ended the possibility by having tori confront him with that realization. But the writers refuse to address beck being in the wrong ever
beck in beck and jades growth is specifically about understand ones self when you are apart from the other . the growth came from beck thinking he didnt like the way jade was because jade off hand seems bad but once hes alone he figures out the qualities he thinks are bad he actually likes probably because they are more similar than we originally thought
the more i grow up the more i realize how weird dan schneider’s shows were. i never realized how weird robbie’s character is its so disturbing
definitely
I hate how ppl wanna talk about how toxic and boring tori was but not about how creepy Robby was. I think it’s misogyny
@@Dolphinboiyes, a male character can do creepy things but gets an excuse if he’s a nerd with a “heart of gold”
@@Dolphinboithis might also be a symptom of misogyny but the actor for Robbie is also seen in a better light than the actor for Tori, since people made up a beef with her and Arianna.
the running “joke” of playing pirates is like actually disgusting and i can’t believe they would include a sexual harassment joke in a kids show
Trina was called a lot of things in the show but ugly was not one of them. It was always heavily implied she was disliked because of her crazy personality and huge ego, not because she was physically unattractive.
I never thought she was terribly unattractive in the show but I thought her personality was VERY unpleasant.
I AGREE! people keep saying that Trina was the ugly one but the whole point of her character was that she is arrogant and doesn't get along with people
But then there was that kid in the Kesha episode who wanted to kiss all the girls but her. But then it was weird for her to offer anyway lol
There were definitely a lot of context clues that showed how even strangers didn’t like Trina because she was physically unattractive to them. I think that stemmed from her being mid sized while all the other women in the show were extremely skinny. In “Wi-Fi in the sky”, Trina moves in front of Tori’s camera and her butt is the centre of the screen. From the guy’s disgusted reactions, I think the joke was supposed to be “she’s so fat that her butt takes up the entire screen”. Also in the Kesha episode, the kid wanted to kiss all three girls aside from Trina. There’s probably more examples, but I think there were moments that inferred how unattractive Trina was due to her weight ig, which checks out for the beauty standards at the time
@xxxmaysilssss690 uh no the joke was that tori’s friends don’t wanna see trina’s butt lol
I like to think Kat and Robbie would've been perfect, if he weren't Dan's self-insert.
Accurate statement
Self insert 😭
Nope, Robbie was a creep. But I guess with this show that’s fine
@@BabyGirlTinyExactly, if he wasn’t Dan’s self insert 💀 If he wasn’t he prolly would’ve simply been this awkwardly cute nerdy guy, but the creep factor ain’t it
@@smirror196yeah i love his character so much but when you see the gross shit added in by dan schneider it just makes me sad
The actress for Trina actually talked about in an interview once how she did get insecure playing her :( how she hated not only being sexualized when she objected to it (such as the pickle and lipgloss scene) but how they made her be such an unappealing character
wait i don't get the pickle and the lipstick
@@LorenaBoasit was a weird dan schnider fetish thing (she asked not to do it but they said no)
@@LorenaBoas it was in the kesha episode. she was just seen eating a pickle and applying lipgloss. i never considered it to be a weird thing until now
i love that now we all kinda get that trina was actually an icon but i feel so bad she had to go through that
@@EverydayZer0 that doesn’t explain what makes it inappropriate or what made her think that it was
In a world where Victorious wasn't a kids show written by Dan Schneider would be a world where we would've gotten better storylines, actual development, and an actual finale...
Agreed tbh
All I wanted was to see the graduation finale
And also it wouldn't exist, because like it or not it's his brainchild
Actually, I never thought of that. But that would be awesome if they did it now. An adult show with all the same characters and almost close storyline but 10× better. Of course it wouldn't be the same people playing the characters(almost in every remake it takes time to get used to new characters) but other then that a show like that would be soooo good. I hope they make one
i would love a fanfic rewrite of the entire show
"Tori seductively wiping coffee off", shows Tori roughly almost slapping at Beck's shirt so hard I thought she would rip it.
Ikr
This is Gold I laughed so hard 😂😂😂😂
i thought same
I honestly liked that tori and andre were just friends. It was nice as a kid to see a purely platonic friendship between a girl and a guy. Nothing forced, just two people being friends.
yes! it was very wholesome
i agree! i loved how supportive they were of each other
I prefer them together it felt like they completed each other I just can’t see them we other ppl
Honestly, I would have liked to see them together. Though them as friends is just as fantastic
I never realized how many problems in Victorious could’ve been solved if the main cast all decided to form a large polycule and kiss it out.
It's not so easy degenerate
Lol
😭 isnt this the solution to most shows with shipping issues
honestly
@@sleepy.timaeus.arts.no bc if CANON sexuality is invovled it gets worse
Andre is the only person in that friend group that isnt messy
Grop
True. He dates tons of girls and never talks to them again but he's generally up front and compartmentalized about his relationships
@@amberwasatomicWell that's because they never gave him a real relationship as they did with so many black side characters on Disney and Nickelodeon. Always a passing thought.
@@jennaisela edited my bad lol
@@Des17Sapparently he and tori were supposed to be a couple later
i never realized how prominent the pirate joke was 😭 i remembered it being said once but 3 times along with the “looky what i got” “NO I DONT WANNA SEE THAT AGAIN” absolutely wild 💀
fr i js realized how absolutely wild that is watching this😭 it’s always the kid shows man
yeah, cause what the heck, why were these bits added in smh
I remember reading somewhere that cats personality changed so drastically cuz she was abused and sa'd but I never wouldve expected the theory that robbie couldve been the one who did that to her
So whats actually the meaning behind "playing pirate". Do they mean some sexual approach?
I feel like Jade and Tori were the most popular ship online back when the show was airing. Jori has had the most fanfics on the internet written out of all the ships back in the day. Though I think with the show coming to Netflix and the recent Tori/Victoria Justice hate train Beck and Jade and Cat and Jade have become a bit more popular in online fandom. Yet I still think there are a lot more Jori fanfics than anything else.
yeah i never felt like beck and tori where the most popular
I 100% agree. People forget that this show came out in 2010 when the internet was sooooooo different back then. I hate when newer fans today don’t acknowledge a show’s history and the fandom culture that came with it, esp with ships. So many ppl I’ve talked to in recent years felt like Jori was never a thing when it was actually a huge thing back then. Even now, a lot of ppl still like it, but are just not as vocal about it like back then bc Jori is not as “trendy” or discussed like other ships/parts of the show
@@4lifeSHINeecos it’s not 2010 anymore. It’s not such a culturally impactful thing that most people would remember that lol. Also a large part of the fandom were mid to late Gen z so we didn’t even have social media and didn’t notice any of that, we just watched it for the music and laughs.
I honesly thought the same thing when he was talking. I was like, weren't people obsessed with the enemies to lovers thing?
omg yeah I used to be in victorious fandom on tumblr in 2012 and it was always Bade vs Jori, no one was checking for Bori
28:40 "And maybe Robbie can help Beck stop being such a piece of shit." I couldn't stop laughing at this. 😭
I diiiiiiiied 🤣
I always liked Tori and Andre personally. They got along great (even as friends) and I like it when couples are shown to get along and support each other, they would’ve been a healthy and fun couple to see 😄
Honestly that's why I preferred them as best friends! I love that we got to see a teen guy and girl who were close friends WITHOUT it ever becoming romantic.
@@howhow2275 This!
Would’ve been boring if they did date lol
I always thought Andre had a crush on Tori
Hell no. There was no romantic chemistry between them, only a very strong friendship and that's okay. There was romantic chemistry between Andre and Jade though. I feel like Andre would make a good partner for Jade even though he's scared of her like everyone else is, like Beck he's strong enough to handle her. He comes from a bit of a difficult home life like she does so he can understand a lot of her pain. He can call her out on her crap and keep her in check but he will also be completely loyal to her and never so anything to make her insecure or ACTIVELY FEED her jealousy unlike Beck.
Hi here is my rant for why Andre fell in love with Jade for that episode and how it could have made a lot more sense if they had done it right.
Everyone in the group in some way had this belief that Jade was scary and overdramatic, while so of that is of her own volition her and Beck's relationship was not the healthiest.
So, when Andre is scared to work with her alone and then realizes that she is a completely normal and chill person sometimes, he falls in love with that part of her. I actually think that they could have done better with this storyline and kept it because they clearly wanted to make Beck and Tori a thing anyway.
If they allowed for a slower development and a lot of communication, Andre would have been a great choice after the relationship with Beck especially since Beck and Jade could have worked out as friends but they needed way more growth in my opinion.
Agreed. If they had stretched it out and Dan wasn't a coward and ( possibly racist in his portrayal of black characters) then Andre and Jade would have worked so well
*AGREED, OMG!*
I've shipped them since the episode where Andre & Jade were partnered with them
@@justjoannaksame 😭 that episode truly made me a jandre shipper
Beck was addicted to toxicity and also had NO Boundaries for other girls 🤦🏾♀️ always aggravated me
You’re so correct. Absolutely no one gets real development in this show and it’s something that always frustrated me
I shipped Beck and Cat for a while. Like had they not infantalized her so much they would have been cute. I liked how she hid behind him or he protected her and i see them as more of an option than Andre and Cat. But Trina and Beck should have had a more serious chance. I know he was pretending to like her but they had good chemistry and Trina was a great character who maybe tried too hard. But had no one in her corner. Including her dad.
Oof her mom too
honestly beck/cat, andre/cat, and andre/tori are my favorite ships... shoulda been a polycule lmao
i was waiting for beck and cat to show up in the video too 😭
i feel like robbie was obsessed with cat even though he liked every girl in the show it's because cat never directly rejected him or at least not grossed out like every other girl
random thought but if victorious was written by the girl meets world writers they would easily be a polycule
Definitely
oh my god did they do that
yeah they explored a love triangle but the love triangle was borderline poly vibes@@rylout1786
@@rylout1786 yes the two main characters were dating the boy at the same time lmao
Nope, because girls meets world wasn’t written like that.
unpopular or popular opinion: I think tori and beck would make a nice couple sure beck has his red flags but I feel like if he was with tori it would def be more healthier than if he was with jade, but..if im being honest I feel like beck would get bored of tori since he mention how whenever jade gets jealous or mean it he enjoys it, he enjoys seeing jade get angry and if that's the case we all know tori isn't the kind to be "mean" or aggressive.
Shit that could’ve led to Jade and Andre being a thing.
Even if my only reasons is because he liked her at one point, even she couldn’t find anything wrong about him, and they have more chemistry than Jade and Beck which is SERIOUSLY sad.
@@starrsmith3810 right ! But then I again I ship Tori and andre but jade and andre would low-key make a great couple
honestly that would've been such an interesting plot for them to let tori and beck actually date only for them to realise that they liked each other more as best friends and were only infatuated with the idea of each other. and jade and andre could've also explored their relationship, etc. shame the creators ruined the show 💀
I agagree that he'd get bored with Tori, in every situation she's supported him as a friend and is generally agreeable and I think a lot of the beck/Tori appeal for him is that she's a relatively safe person to antagonize his girlfriend with. He's been shown to enjoy Jade's jealousy from time to time and yes Tori gets into wacky situations but he'd be bored quickly...
... which is why I support Cat or Trina as great pairings for Beck. Neither are boring and both would challenge him and change him
@@amberwasatomic oooo cat with beck would be interesting I wonder how that would go down
Liz Gillies and Avan Jogia said that every time they were in the background they would act on the subtext that they were in a HUUUUUUUGE fight. Like entire storylines about why they are fighting just created by the two of them, going on in the background.
wait wait wait… beck and tori were the most popular ship??? I must be living in a bubble I thought everyone preferred beck and jade haha
All my homies hate jade 🚫
nobody "preferred" them they were toxic af💀
@@littleluz like I said, everyone I saw always preferred them together lol idk why you‘re saying nobody did lol
i would say they’re top 2 with beck/jade as #1
i am 100% team beck and jade and i will die on this hill idc
I think a lot of the Beck and Jade writing was also influenced by the stereotype of straight people hating their partners. And that being normal.
i totally ship:
jade & tori
i feel that they would be so cute, i can see it. the whole enemies to lovers troupe but also just the fact that they are opposites. i feel like jade would help tori step out of her comfort zone and that tori could help jade be more confident in herself and not to expect the worse. i feel that jade sometimes thinks that someones going to hurt her which is why she reacts the way she does.
robbie & beck
idk why but i do. i so agree with what you said about robbie & beck. i feel like he would help robbie be more confident and that robbie could help beck be less of a jerk at times. i think they would compliment each other well.
beck bringing robbie a watermelon sold me on them tbh
@@rinisonline4312 lol same😂 that was really cute tho
I feel like the main reason they didn’t want Tori and Andre to be a couple is bc there would be no drama. They bring out the best in each other.
That and I liked the fact they can be good friends without being romantic. It's not often we see a guy and a girl having platonic relationship in the media and that's what made them so unique in my opinion.
@@apollo4240they were gonna put them together in the season they literally had a kissing scene it’s somewhere on TikTok
beck's doesn't make sense tbh bc how is he made out to be the "hot guy that everyone wants" but he's in a relationship? why not make him single and make the fact that he's too laid back to stay in a relationship?
I think you underestimate Jade and Andre, although it came out of nowhere, it has potential. Specifically if you compare how Andre will treat her/the relationship vs how Beck does, Jade would because a kinder/chill person with Andre. But I ship Andre with Tori and sorta Cat too, he'd fit everyone
I don't think it would have worked. Remeber Andre girlfriend that had a producer dad ? I feel like she was kinda a toxic in a similar to Jade. She was jealous, possesive, try to tell Andre what to do, what to wear, how to act in a similar manner that Jade does towards her boyfriend Beck. But even if Beck just accept that, Andre hates that and ended up hating his girlfriend and breaking up with her. I think her character was similar enough to Jade that we can use to imagine a relationship between Jade and Andre and see how bad it would have been. I actually do not like this ship at all
Beck, jade, and tori are literally duncan, courtney, and gwen from tdi
exactly😭the same exact dynamics
*OMG, STOP!*
oh god 😭😭
Other than the fact one of them is a goth girl and they're both love triangles there's really nothing else to it.
Tori at least had a character development and become a girl's girl by rejecting Beck's advances 😞 didn't Gwen dated Duncan despite apologizing to Courtney multiple times after she got caught kissing him idk
18:03 “Tori gets to date Beck without feeling guilty about betraying Jade because she's dating her too”
This somehow has the same energy as “I kissed a random girl at a party and I didn't want her bf to get upset, so I kissed him too 🥺”
Having the Pirate joke and knowing what the creator has done.....craaazy
I disagree with Beck and Jade not changing at all… Jade sure, but I think a change happened in Beck in that episode where he realized he likes that Jade is argumentative and stands her ground. So the problem he had with her isn’t really there anymore. He might have even come to realize he likes arguing with her to some degree. More like it’s toxic but it works for them imo
Also I like the whole thing where Beck can’t be frightened and then in Jade’s song there’s a line about not being able to scare the guy she’s singing about (you’re not afraid of me and I can’t convince you)
No the only problem is still there, he just doesn’t know what a healthy relationship is. Because there was no balance, he went back to the toxicity with Jade because it’s more fun than someone who always agrees with him. Which goes against the entire point they broke up. He didn’t change, he just realized that it’s more fun to be toxic
@@BabyGirlTinythis ^
as a kid/early teen i LOVED cat and robbie, but rewatching the show i realized that robbie was so... weird...
if the show wasn’t written by dan schneider robbie would be cute honestly
@@gloomybear.420realest thing ever said
@@gloomybear.420as someone who is a sucker for nerds, i 100% agree. it’s just a shame robbie is fucking weird 😪
Tbh, same!
don’t talk about pookie like that
cat and andre were so cute together as friends. They reminded me a lot of me and my best friend, and I just adored their friendship
I do agree that since jade knows about the pirate game she probably would unironically kill Robbie, but I think it’s possible too that cat might’ve repressed what happened or doesn’t know how to articulate what happened. I am a victim of sexual assault, and I repressed most of the trauma so the perpetrator was able to get away with it and stayed friends with them until I broke. Idk hearing her scream no and say “put it away I don’t want to see that thing again” makes me feel like it’s not an innocent game like some people think. Also we gotta remember this is Dan I like children’s feet Schneider
Tori and Andre were going to be a thing before the show got cancelled. There was even a kiss scene clip of it on TikTok
Wait, seriously??? I am so intrigued to know more about this 😭
the thing about jade and beck, as toxic as it is, they both sort of deserve each other. Beck many times actively gave reasons for Jade to be jealous, the episode where he takes many girls on his car, like how would any girlfriend react to that???However jade was very aggressive and could get very possessive. The episode where they break up, and Beck gets frustrated that the girl he was with, puts him on a pedestal and agrees with everything he says, truth to it, beck loves how much Jade challenges him, and how she doesn’t put him on a pedestal and actively calls him out when she disagrees with him and beck likes that.
Exactlyyy! That's why I'd always say Saddie will always be worse than Bade. Because at least Beck equals Jade with his own toxicity unlike poor Freddie who was made dumb and Sam continued beating and demeaning him even while he tried to date her!🤦🏽♀️
Andre and Jade was just for me. Only black man in the main cast gets to pine for the the aggressive goth girl? Yeah. For me.
“And maybe Robbie can help Beck stop being such a piece of shit” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 SCRUMPT
I was looking for someone else who was as entertained as me by this thank you lol
It’s even more interesting when you realize how “close” the cast was lol they really could’ve all dated each other at one point or another and it would’ve worked narratively
nooooo for trina. she most likely avoided them either because they were a grade younger, or they were torys friends. tory and trina had small periods where they liked eachother. yes, poorly written ones, but still moments.
My favorite ship in Victorious is all of them in a poly relationship because they all had a lot of romantic (and oddly sexual for a kids show) tension for one another. Honestly is Victorious came back in a iCarly reboot type of show I feel like it would have them all be in a polygamous relationship
As a kid I went along with the Cat and Robbie ship and bounce between Beck/Jade and Beck/Tori....but as I got older, and even now, the only ship I truly cared about was Tori and Andre. I'm a sucker for best friends to lovers trope, and those two had such great chemistry and such a great friendship that I thought they'd be great together romantically if it were to ever happen. Only thing about this ship is I'd want the show to either fully commit to it (have a whole arc, bring them together, and have them stay together) or never even acknowledge it (like they actually do), because they are great as friends AND as a ship, but if it was teased too much as a ship but never created to last the friendship part would be ruined.
Anyways, Tori and Andre ended up together just before graduating in my headcanon.
I like Tori and Andre but always as a hypothetical because i felt like they got along so well and healthfully because they had a very true genuine sibling relationship where you're completely comfortable with another person if the opposite sex platonically
ngl i love that tori and andre were friends without any romance, but at the same time i wanted them together so bad. i'm a huge sucker for friends to lovers, so for me I would've loved to see their romance as a slow and gradual thing.
andre and jade was a ship no one asked for, but since the crew presented it to us, it was actually a great ship in my opinion. they don't have any animosity between them and have actual respect for each other, especially on Jade's part, something not a lot of people in the show can say.
and Jade and Tori, my toxic doomed yuri
Robbie was so much creepier than I remember. I hate how many things they passed off as jokes in children's programming. I loved Victorious, even the parts I now understand to be bit problematic - perfect example being Beck and Jade who I still jokingly defend - but I just could never fuck with Robbie and I'm starting to think he probably just made me really uncomfortable.
Yeah, he'd be more likeable and be this cute awkward nerd guy if he wasn't Dan's self-insert, the pirate jokes were unnecessary, tbh.
Beck and Jade, in my opinion, from the first episode have been at that “I love you but I don’t like you” stage and neither of them can tell the difference.
robbie and cat would probably be my favourite ship if robbie wasn't so creepy. like i don't even know why they wrote him that way, there was more potential but they said nah, he needs to a perverted creep with obsessive, stalker tendencies and we need to heavily imply that he sexually assaulted cat but can't actually say it because it's still a kids show. why was this necessary?? 😭😭
Robbie could've been the adorable awkwardly nerd guy if he wasn't Dan's self-insert character, they could've done more with him, wasted potential... 😭
Unfortunately the reason Beck had to stay with Jade in the show is because it was the only thing interesting about his character. I think the writers planned on originally having Tori and Beck end up together tbh. And then at some point they decided never to do it - probably because it would’ve been too predictable and a little cliché. so instead they played with the scenario and dangled it in front of fans that wanted it & dragged out a toxic relationship through most of the show because the other half of fans liked it. I don’t like either ship and I think it’s because in this show the characters can’t grow too much - so Jade is stagnant, she will always be toxic/insecure/a bully. And Beck, they just wrote his character terribly. I don’t think the writers wanted his character to be interpreted as the bad guy. But his actions and carelessness made him seem narcissistic and manipulative. almost like he kept Tori close to mess with Jade.
Avan jogia said in a tiktok he was hungover for most of the show
He just had to be there-- He never contributed anything to the story. Being the hot guy was literally his personality trait.
TY FOR THE CAT AND JADE THING! They really don't view eachother in a way that would make a romantic relationship also the scenes with beck and robbie was something I never noticed and I laughed so hard when he grabbed him
the power tori and jade as a couple would have had 🤧
Somehow Beck and Jade feel worst then Seddie.
Probably because Seddie didn’t last too long and Jade and Beck stay breaking up and getting back toget her for whatever reason that exists.
Though I find it hilarious that people constantly blame Jade for the relationship problems as if Beck is some perfect angel. It’s almost as stupid as the fans who hate and critics Tori over every bad thing she’s done yet defend Jade’s own actions that are worst.
And even stupider? Tori literally turns him down despite her having ZERO reason to do so. It speaks volumes to her development yeah but she didn’t owe Jade a single thing at that point. They were barely even friends, Jade treats her like shit mostly, Jade and Beck weren’t together anymore, and he was showing interest.
fr, tori saying no because of jade was ridiculous because they were barely friends
@@yohanedescends4683 nah they were in the same friends group and that would have been an awful dynamic
@@giorgiamoretti6642 it would've been interesting to see the reactions though, it was a waste to not do anything about them. and jade still treated tori like shit even after seeing tori reject beck for her
I love Cat and Andre idk why I just love their relationship and I feel like he is one of the few who yes sees how childlike she is but doesn’t tune her out as a person I feel like that comes from his relationship with his grandma but their relationship is sweet
Yes and also I wanna say how UNDERrated Andre is he was such an amazing friend and person he treated all of them so so good!
You don’t understand how this video made me so happy, this was a genius idea and your editing and analysis is too funny.
Trina and Beck could actually be good especially for Beck. He would have someone who isn’t easy and she would also give him gifts and do nice things for him. He would still be able to make her jealous
I'm just now realizing how gross that kissing scene between Rex and Tori was and why Rex was so eager to get home💀💀💀
Dan you are one sick mf
Oh my god thats gross
I do know it was gross but i don't get why he wanted to go home so bad I always thought it was cuz she scared him or her breath smelled can someone explain😭
K😅
@@cloroxwipes9879 he wants to go home and touch himself 😬😬
When Cat screams "my hair has nothing to do with my trauma" my heart kinda skipped a beat. Poor girl. I really don't like how she was treated in this show by both writers and other characters
Seeing this now with "quiet on set" out really shows so much!!
Younger me wanted Cat and Beck together so bad😅
I did when I was younger too but now looking back, I feel like they wouldn't work out. I feel like Beck would babysit her a lot given how Cat is...
I would have loved André and Tori as a couple. They were always there to boost each other's confidence.
i personsally enjoyed the thought of andre and jade, that's if they explored their friendship better before introducing the ship. andre was the one person jade never made fun of or had any issues with, plus andre just looks good with anyone. also i'd like to think cat and robbie would've been cute had Dan not sprinkled a bit of himself into robbie's character.
Jade had some issues, and she needed someone that would understand that, be comprehensive and reassuring. She had potential to grow, but she never got to grow
None of the characters grew at all. Some of them got worse.
She grew but only, like minimally, I feel like she wasn't the same Jade in the first episode anymore. Still mean but tame but the rest stayed same, I think? Cat's chatacter went progressively worse, it's like she mentally regressed.
“And maybe Robbie can help Beck not be such a piece of shit” ☠️ LITERALLY spit out my water. U didn’t lie-
Also, while in theory the throuple would work…Tori deserves better than to be some in-between like we know they would make her even further. Anddd she deserves better than Beck or Jade bc of how they treat her (plus they suck as ppl anyways)
i never understood why the show teased tori/beck so much because all the online fans seemed to either love beck/jade or jade/tori (or both). personally beck/tori just didn't interest me at all, i just never felt much chemistry and their relationship always seemed to hinge on jade's reaction to them. i felt that tori and andre had a strong chemistry and interacted way more than tori and beck, whos relationship always got propelled by something happening with jade.
You made some great points! My opinions about some of the ships if anyone cares:
- Cat and Robbie were my guilty pleasure but it's always been more like "I would love them together if Robbie was less of a creep", especially the pirate thing is hard to ignore and the only reason I still enjoyed them at times is that I could interpret it differently. Same with Jade wanting to bury Tori. I tried to pretend it was a dumb joke because otherwise she should be seen as a villain
- I have mixed feelings about Jade & Tori because they have a great chemistry, I'd be interested to see them getting together and wouldn't mind it but as with Cat and Robbie, it's hard to forget about that joke. Stealing Tori's blood might be a bit too much as well. Either way, them always getting back to normal after reconciling was annoying, I know it's a tweens show but it doesn't mean that characters can't make any progress
- Tori and Andre would be my favourite couple if the creators decided to make them a thing, I can't help but love the friends to lovers trope and their friendship was so wholesome. That being said, I like them being platonic besties too.
There's a lot of wasted potential but I still like these three ships (plus Robbie x Beck and Tori x Beck) better than Creddie and Seddie, Sam was too violent and Creddie felt forced. I only liked Creddie in the revival series
For the Jade and Tori episode, or even all the episodes with relationships, the episodes were backwards. For example, the date episode with Jade and Tori could've happened in the earlier season where Jade held a grudge for Tori's kiss with Beck. Then, the following episode would be the reality show episode where we could see them being civil to each other, but that would crash and burn from the promo with Tori and Beck. The episode after would be Jade takes Tori's spot and the final would be the episode where Tori helped Jade's play succeed. All in all, they mixed the episodes.
Im glad Andre didnt get with anyone. He deserved better than all of these people lol
Man was a saint conpared to those crazies
when was tori and beck ever popular..? Tori x Jade all day.
Idgaf what anyone says, Beck was the problem and their relationship was hot whenever he wasn’t fucking it up🤷🏽♀️
Recently my little sibling was rewatching Victorious and I realized Beck/Cat and Beck/Andre are actually really good ships despite not having many moments (I always die on this hill called rareships no matter the fandom,,)
my whole life has been me thinking about these ships way in detail and you put my thoughts into something I don't have to think about manually now (I hope this makes sense) thank you
i remember watching the episode when andre develops a crush on jade and i found it so weird, of all the characters it just made more sense if he developed a crush on tori since they have a rlly close relationship and it would make more sense since many confuse platonic feelings for romantic. it would have been a good episode if he had a crush on tori then realised oh no we have a better friendship dynamic, but i am aware that this show was for kids obvi the writing isn't going to be amazing
as a kid and teen, the pirate jokes went over my head. it wasnt until i was an adult that i understood, and it destroyed any happiness i felt about this ship 😭 i hate that this was even a “joke” in the show, but considering all the other sick shit the creator added to his shows, i cant say im surprised 😔 he lowkey tainted my memories of these shows
Andre and Tori just made sense
No, they didn't.
Personally I don’t think Robbie molested Cat. Jade clearly is aware of whatever happened and I’m pretty sure she’d’ve murdered him if he did that.
Robbie and Cat is one of my favorite ships of all time since both characters are my personal favorites in the series. Despite Robbie's perversion, their relationship was so wholesome, interesting and quirky in a way that was humorous. I love how they just accept each others' quirks and unlike Beck and Jade, they never had any personal conflicts that badly affected their relationship (except for the pirates thing). Also Ariana Grande and Matt Bennett have a lot of on-screen chemistry, more so than Beck and Jade.
Fun fact - Whenever he tries to hit on her, she laughs before says gross (which could be a defense mechanism) but in this where they are singing about bad news, Cat is surprisingly grossed out that Robbie's real name is Robert and she DOESN'T laugh which implies that she's more grossed out by that than Robbie suggesting that they make out and "snoodle".
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Tori and Andre will always be on top for me. Every time I rewatch I remember how we were robbed. They worked too well together and all their songs were bangers too. Them in that ice cream for Kesha ep?? All their hugs?! Yeh!
I'm so glad that you arent biased towards Victorious and gave an honest and blunt review of the ships! I would also argue that the show Victorious was not as well written compared to some of Dan's other sitcoms. IMO what makes the show stand out by itself would be the characters that are played by the actors/actresses. The dialogue of the show isnt enough for the show to hold on its own. Its heavily dependent on the characters which I think that's telling. As you had stated yourself, a lot of the problems that go down between the ships make little to no sense and the show teases at hinting other ships and its dependent on the chemistry of the characters. It makes it difficult for the viewers like myself to follow through with the intentions of where the show is going when the storyline-character chemistry doesn't match. I really liked this video!
Beck just wants to hit it on a regular😂
Okay, so this is my opinion on the Andre ships, since he was my favourite character on the show and I payed the most attention to him and his interactions: (TLDR at the end)
For the show; as it is, Andre and Tori MAKE THE MOST SENSE. I could see for the final season (the one I assume they had planned before the cancellation), that either Tori or Andre or both would come to a realization early on that they were into the other. We would then get moments of awkward tension and hilarious misinterpretations between the two until the final 2 episodes - where they would likely have a 2 part graduation from Hollywood Arts, and Andre would rush off to find Tori and admit his love for her, and she would return his feelings and the two would kiss and everyone would cheer. It just makes sense. They spent the most time together, the show has established them as perfect partners! Even their fights end with one comforting the other and reconciling in the end. They had all the foundations laid down, the final season was for sure going to be when they starting layering their relationship.
Now, I think if the show had a more serious turn: Andre and Jade would be so much fun to explore. I've seen people talk about how Andre noticed Jade being normal, calm and fun to be around and those qualities made him realise just how much he liked her. I like the idea of the two of them building a slow burn relationship. Jade learning to trust someone and not having to constantly be alert for any girls challenging her for her man, especially when she sees Andre shut down any and all advances swiftly. Jade learning to curb her insecurities that, let's be honest here, Beck inflated. Andre learning that standing up for himself isn't something that would result in a negative outcome everytime (RE: when the group peer pressured him into missing his 97 year old great grandad's birthday to write a song for Tori). Jade & Andre learning how to be there for each other and how to be vulnerable and express their emotions and feelings.
Overall, I think the Andre and Tori were the safest bet, and the most likely pairing we were going to see Andre land into. However, I love the slight dramatic feel the show could explore if they had gone with Andre and Jade. To use your example, despite it having a very similar layout and feel to Victorious, iCarly was able to balance those serious character moments really, really well. Examples:
1. Sam and Freddy on the fire escape after she shamed him for never having kissed anyone.
2. Carly talking to Freddy after he had saved her from that Taco truck.
3. Sam and Freddy's break up in the elevator.
I know these are all romantic moments but that's my point, the fact that they had these moments in the first place, allowing the characters to have actual moments of vulnerablity with very little inclusion of laugh tracks and very soft, barely noticeable music in the background allowed us as the audience to believe them in these moments. If Victorious had made time and effort for these moments, then I truly believe Jade and Andre would have been the best ship on the show.
TLDR; Tori & Andre made sense for the show. Jade & Andre are good if they're further explored as a couple.
beck and jade's relationship is so confusing. honestly, when he said he didn't like "easy" girls, i thought well, maybe he just wants someone he can keep constantly anxious and on edge while he makes himself look "chill, cool." it also made me mad that jade didn't have any other romantic interests while they were broken up, maybe seeing her be different with another partner would have made beck realize he wasn't exactly a "victim", idk. lol. i'm a BIG beck hater.
if i heard him talking about me as the worst person ever (just to make a girl kiss him!!!), i'd also be jealous and insecure all the time, i'd be thinking "why on earth would he be with me if i'm the most awful person in his mind?" MAKE IT MAKE SENSE! i'd be fully convinced that ANY nice girl like tori could make him prefer her. god, he's awful.
wait why did you make some points about the throuple... it would literally solve every problem. i think you convinced me on that one
I thought about Andre and Tori getting together when I was little, but rewatching this show, I really loved the opposite sex best friend duo that never get together, or have romantic feelings for each other representation. I loved all the moments where Andre was close with all his friends because it was so cute how he was endearing, and slightly flirtatious without having anything progress other than his short Jade crush
The frustration of the narrator towards the Beck & Jade ship is VERY clear lol
Personally i really really ship cabbie (Cat and Robbie)
Of course dan schneider didn`t need to project on Robbie, but i try to ignore that part and just like enjoy the sweet side of their relationship.
You kinda missed the point of "I think you`re swell", Robbie doesn't write it just to make Cat feel better. At the start of the episode Robbie says to Tori that he wrote a song for a girl and a little after, when Cat gets happy about her date, Robbie is visibly sad (disappointed that he couldnt perform his song to Cat and show her how he feels). Also Cat is one of the only characters who doesnt bully him and actually understand his situation with Rex. There are some vivid moments that ill list now:
1. In that episode where Robbie is sad that nobody wants to go out with him and everyone lists reasons why, Cat doesnt say anything
2. When Robbie is having bad dreams, Cat is the only one who is actually concerned about him and offers to help him by sending him to the school counsler.
3. In the "locked away" episode, when Robbie goes to the girls bed, Cat is the only one to not be grossed out, and actually seems happy that Robbie is there
4. In the episode where Cat is listening to the hold sound on her phone, Robbie takes her phone and Cat doesnt really mind
I can yap about this for hours, so ill stop here hah. Im curious about yalls opinions so you can reply and yeah. Sorry for my rant, but i just love them sm
5:41 Sex. It's sex. There's a scene where they're being recorded in a private moment and the topic is brought up. Granted, the talk stops once they notice, but, it's right there
Okay but Andre and jade needed more 🥺
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Apparently Tori and Andre were supposed to be endgame but the thing is I liked them just being friends. I know many would say this would be a bit toxic but I think Tori and Jade would’ve made a better couple. There’s an analysis video on Jade where one of her things is that she doesn’t allow anyone to touch her besides Beck and Tori. Yeah they’d fight but when they were forced to go out on a date for the play they actually started to connect. Potential was there
BUT since that would’ve been highly unlikely Jade and Andre would’ve been a great couple. Jade has actually never been mean to Andre. She’s never said anything negative about him. She saw him as a friend and when they were working together on a song she never messed with him once. I wouldn’t have minded them becoming a couple either
Am I the only one who didn't pick up on the pirates thing? oh my god- ill never be the same-
If I was forced to make a guess, the reason they averted all of Jade's development is because the show needed an antagonist, and she fit. Ironically enough, that plan worked against the show more than anything else, because Jade is very well-liked, and fans would've wanted to see her grow and officially bury the hatchet with Tori.
Nickolodeon has a history of missed opportunities so I'm not really surprised they missed a ton of opportunities with these ships. I feel like Tori and Beck and Trina and Andre might have made sense? My favorites were Tori and Andre, Tori and Jade and Robbie and Beck.
the jade and tori relationship was the main conflict of the show that had the most progression
loved the middle of the video where he explained the idea of the auspice quadrant from homestuck. (it all comes back 2 homestuck)
honestly I liked how they kept Andre and tori remained friends I liked how they were close but weren't attracted
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Hey Tronn. I love this video and I really love Tori and jade. Jori Forever and always for Life! Make more videos like this man!
i loved the Jade and Andre ship they work so well
Andre too good for her
I actually really appreciate the fact that they never push a romantic relationship between Tori and Andre. The fact that Andre has a crush on Jade also makes sense in the context of them rarely spending time together. Jade is a beautiful girl, their lack of such closeness allows him to create any romantic idea of her his brain comes up with. His closeness with Tori hinders that as he understands her closely as a person and friend
Sise note there was nothing flirty about the way Toried was rubbing coffee of Beck's shirt. Awkward yes but flirty no way that anyone could seriously see it that way
I herd that nick/paramount+ is trying to make a reboot of victorious and the plot is cray amazing
I like jade and Andre
I was totally today years old when i finally get that Beck was just and only into kissing Tori because she was uncomfy with that idea. She was a challenge to him, not a human being he would be interested in or anything, just a f challenge, and he used Jade like a puppet to try to fool Tori into liking him. He is the narcissist without any blame, why does she care more about my ex gf feelings than kissing me i am so cool ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
That’s a good point. If show refused to invest in the tori and Beck ship, they would have ended the possibility by having tori confront him with that realization. But the writers refuse to address beck being in the wrong ever
beck in beck and jades growth is specifically about understand ones self when you are apart from the other . the growth came from beck thinking he didnt like the way jade was because jade off hand seems bad but once hes alone he figures out the qualities he thinks are bad he actually likes probably because they are more similar than we originally thought