@@Sourman1545 nah most wow players/gamers are too weak for that... EA: Releases crap Gamers: reeeeee I'll never buy EA game again EA: releases new crap Gamers: oh shit waddup
His comment was like the final nail in the coffin for me for WoW and that was the day I finally decided to go full time FFXIV instead of WoW. To this day I have never regret that decision. Having developers behaving like this towards the players was terrible terrible move. Continued by "don't you guys have a phone" respond. Oh my, blizzard, you're done.
Yeah I really don’t like being told what I want out of gaming. I’m pretty damn well aware what I want- and it’s obvious when I go out of my way to still play stuff like Diablo 2 and private WoW servers before classic hit- hell I even played wc3 and waited the like hour queues to get in games while I watched tv before they came out with that shitshow that reforged was. They ruined it for me, and it was just nostalgia- they were genuinely good games that still hold up.
@@Imbalanxd Its estimated to be hundreds of thousands of people still playing classic WoW (around 300k was the last estimate I saw). Those numbers are frankly pretty damn good, especially for a 15 year old game that you barely need to maintain or develop for. It not being popular on Twitch does not mean its dead. If that were the case then PUBG would be dead but, surprise, it peaks at or close to half a million concurrent players daily just on steam. It not being fun to you does not mean its not fun to other people. There was clearly always a large chunk of people who really wanted classic servers and are still very happy to play on them, the fact that its not or not close to everyone who plays WoW who shares that sentiment doesnt invalidate those who really like the Classic experience. -An Impartial Andy
Nostalrius gave the game such vibrancy and life.. It was insane. It was, at least since the original vanilla and tbc, the hype. I absolutely got hooked on wow. It felt like a world engulfed in a war. Trade was vibrant, people were traveling everywhere, STV has never been more legendary. The servers were actually superior to the garbage vanilla retail uses to this day. On Dragonfang some weeks ago, it could not contain 400 people in a zone without lag, whereas on nostalrius such and even bigger amounts of people worked absolutely flawlessly. Nostalrius was the peak, not classic. Fuck you Blizzard, for ruining that for me. I still cannot go over the beauty of that world, the attachment to my character, my guild, the memories made with friends.. I tried again on Dragonfang some weeks ago but it was just not the same. You done fucked up, Blizzard, but you are slowly digging your own grave anyway. May TBC be good, and it likely will be, but I will have neither the time nor the will to participate or race towards it.
Had the best experience in Classic since Wrath. Hats off to everyone who were working hard for Classic and it's supporters! You think you do and we did. Not everyone was pleased and never can come time where everyone will be pleased. No changes or changes Which version The launch wasn't perfect. But it was exciting I'm just glad we got to experience this gem.
Man classic launch was amazing, everyone pouring into the starting zones and the lines to kill quest bosses. I never ended up doing lategame stuff such as strath, scholo, or raids but I did get to 60 on my lock. With my guild and server dead I decided to call quits but man it was fun while it lasted. Classic wasn't it for me and for many others but I am glad that it happened.
As a private server developer who works for a for-profit server I can say he's ABSOLUTELY correct that Blizzard will hire a 3rd party private investigator to find you and to serve you legal papers to sue you. But this happens to a lot of people who have their official identity attached to their private server work, especially in the case of for-profit servers. This happened to my employer.
@@GladerDev lol, nah i really wanna know.. i recently started playing a private server pretty hardcore and im starting to feel like i need to be more involved.
I totally forgot about alex sensual lol. I played towards the end of Nostalrius, it was my first time ever playing wow and it blew my mind. I still have screenshots of people in a single file line in darkshore for the turtle bone quest where you loot the giant skull under water. That server was so fun, it was packed 24/7 with people. I played on a ton of private servers after that, started my first ever sub when classic came out.
Im still sitting here holding my breath, i started in TBC but i never really got anywhere. I really didnt start playing the game until the start of WOTLK so im still waiting for the day we officially get WoTLKs release because that was were i made the most memories in the game. And the private servers while fun dont hold a flame to what it was like in retail, stuff i got to experience when Classic came out. I still remember stuff like the LINES people made in starting areas just to kill boss quests mobs, cannot wait for TBC to drop so i can really see what it felt like. An experience i sorely missed due to being young and not understand the game, big thanks to everyone who helped us get Classic.
Respect to this guy and to the Nostalrius team! Had a blast in classic, played even more than Vanilla and even now I am alt tabing from classic to watch this video.
The thing between Nostalrius releasing their shit and Blizzard pressing down on 'em, it's just a situation of miscommunication between both parties. Blizzard didn't tell 'em to keep their shit private cause they were planning to launch official servers for that product. Nostalrius thought that Blizzard threw their idea out the window and then Blizzard thought that Nostalrius went rogue, it's just lack of communication.
the way he defended their actions is also bad. you dont treat your fans like this even if its legally right. if not for the nostalrius we wouldnt have anything now. they did that out of love for the game so they should have reached out to them. blizz had a right to deal with it their way but it was a dick move that could have been avoided.
@@DJake1992 what a stupid take, we are talking about millions upon millions of dollars that were at stake through ILLEGAL actions, blizzard had very right to search for them and serve em papers. they even had a DUTY to their stakeholders to make sure that this leak is closed and that their IP is safe. if i am a business owner and someone tries to make me lose millions by distributing MY PRODUCT ilegally you can bet your ass that i am coming after them until they dont even think about doing it anymore, this is not a kids game, jobs hang in the balance, real lifes do. what do you think happens when expected revenue does not come thorugh? layoffs! and not your oh so hated CEOs and upper management, no, the people who really need the income get axed because manbabys did not get their way and threw a tantrum and did something illegal. So no it was not a dick move and the guys from Nostalrius were 100% in the wrong, legally and ethically.
@@empi2597 youre delusional if you think that closing nostalrius saved jobs at blizzard. if it was so bad no private servers would exist. if people want to play an old version of any game regardless of graphics or janky gameplay they should be allowed to. normally it's a no issue because the devs put out a better version and support it so gamers update the game but in case of blizzard it's no longer run by competent people and they are not able to provide a better product. so instead of being grateful for the hardcore fans that dont want this ip to die instead of cooperating they go to war with their own community.
@@DJake1992 your whole post did not have anything to do with the topic at hand you know? the topic is that those idiots at nostalrius shared blizzard property with elysium because they got their fefees hurt because they did not hear back from blizzard. And even if that is not the case, if someone does not want you to use your product and it is ILLEGAL to do so, you DO NOT do it. Blizzard only got on their case after the elysium leak anyway, since they had classic in the works and it would damage them heavily if that shit continued. You are far too entitled, you live in some kind of world where if you think its okay you can do anything right? just break the law because you think you deserve something or others owe you something. well guess what, nobody owes you shit, and if you break the law do not be suprised when people call you out on it and threaten you with said law. And in this case Blizz stood to lose millions since again : THEY WERE ALREADY WORKING ON CLASSIC when those geniuses decided to give elysium what was not theirs to give, it is as simple as that. And for you to think that players somehow have a right to even old outdated games makes you the naive one, they dont nor have they ever had the right, they had the priviledge to use it as long as the OWNER allowed them to use it. and if the owner says NO, then thats that, anything else is against the law. i simply dont udnerstand how you were brought up, did your parents not teach you that you do not use what others own without their permission? simply minboggling how entitled you are. this will be my last post on this topic, since we both ahve made our positions abundantly clear, have a nice day.
@@empi2597 my parents taught me not to kiss ass and be respectful to those that respect me. the abomination that blizz became has no respect for you nor any player. they dont even have respect for their IPs that made this company so big. like with w3 refunded they outsourced it with limited budget like piece of crap and fucked it up together with the original game that was made by respected people. now again people are fixing it themselves by using the old version with a 3rd party software created for free by the FANS. its embarrassing that people during their free time do a better job and its blizz that demands payment for constantly fucking things up.
I love when people in the chat complain about Asmon pausing the video to comment, like if you want to watch just the video then go to youtube and watch it. you should watch Asmon if you want commentary...
23:11 The problem is that Blizzard NEVER had the intention of working with the people of Nostalrius. They just want all the money for themselves and treated the people from Nastalrius pretty bad after inviting the Nostalrius for their PR stuff. They didn't reach an olive branch. They took all the olives and claimed the whole tree for themselves.
And they rightfully did so as they never owned a single part of the server they ran in the first place. Ofc they want the money themselves its theirs rightfully. These nostalrius dudes havent done jack shit but break the law copying something they dont own. The fokk u on about
@@amoeba8888 If you recode something that already exists, it is still stealing. If you code from scratch discord, Teamspeak, GTA, or a windows OS, you are still stealing. What blizzard owns is not the line of codes, but the resulting software.
@@amoeba8888 actually it is not true. You have to add enough to show that it is significantly different from WoW. And at this point it is no longer a wow private server. And that depends what Blizzard owns. There is a famous example in computer science of a SAT algorithm that was published (so accessible to everyone) but that was then copyrighted and sold (meaning that you are not allowed to code it, or at least code it and distribute it)
@@amoeba8888 Oh yes you are right that Nostalrius guys did the work (I mean they used some of the work from MangOS, but still) But what I meant is that under most jurisdictions (at least EU and US), the code of the video game is not the only thing protected by copyright. Of course the music, the background, the story and the lore are also protected and cannot be copied as such. But you could also easily argue in court (and probably win as we saw similar cases recently) that the dungeons layouts with specific boss mechanics cannot be copied. you can do some derivative work, but not copy it exaclty. But anyway you are right they did the code, just that there is more to a game than the code, and they still "stole" from blizzard (in the form of their ideas)
Lol, this guy is acting like he was almost assassinated because someone knocked on his door to serve him around 10pm. Like wtf are you even talking about
Yea...I get that it's a bit freaky at the moment, and irritating later on for sure, but I've been served paperwork before. That's how a LOT of servers (can't think of the title) act, cause people think it doesn't matter if you ignore them. They make sure you can't ignore them. Gotta love society.
@@Imbalanxd Some people just like to hate, but I think Vanilla to Wrath was the golden period of WoW, all things considered. The game wasn't so homogenized as it is today and you could, for the most part, play the game like you wanted. I also really liked Cata and MoP, which introduced a more fast action type gameplay, which was so great in PvP, but I can see why people didn't like those expansions, as they were quite different from the first 3 games.
@@Imbalanxd TBC too convenient xD after making 2 lvl 60s and got my 35 craft alts I mainly raidlogged in classic or just played the economy. In OG TBC where I started to play seriously I can remember me doing heroics and actually leaveing shattrah for stuff just a few Days before wotlk release because there was that much to do. There was honestly almost too much to do in TBC but I'd rather have that then raidlogging.
@Generic Username the mechanics introduced in wotlk are seen as bad tho since they paved way for lfr and the absurd in game shop/service shop we have today. Don't get me wrong wotlk is right after TBC for best expansion still but I didn't see it then but it paved way for much MUCH worse things in cata
As someone who played on Nost since day one I'll tell you that they did Classic better than Blizzard. No lag, no sharding, no leeway no 400ms spell batching. It was perfect.
Nostalrius and Kronos came out at the same time, it was huge hype for both servers. Nost had more people but Kronos had better scripting and buffed raids which lots of hardcore people liked since it wasn't that easy to clear all the content. It was a golden age of vanilla private servers.
The issue that Asmon and many others don't seem to grasp is that private server "code" isn't stolen. Projects like TrinityCore and ManGOS re-built from scratch the entire back-end portion of WoW servers; The only thing that crosses a line is a legal sense is that the server populates its databases from information within the game client. Using the official client breaks the ToS for networked gameplay on non-official servers. And trying to profit from a project like Elysium or Nost is a grey area, which is why servers were hosted in France. Blizzard doesn't go around shutting down every private server; They only ever go after big names which are profiting from the use of Blizzard assets. That's really what they care about - the millions of particle effects, graphics, meshes and pieces of art that were bought and paid for by Blizzard studios back in the late 90s. A private server could literally remake all their tables, change all the text and reskin everything and it would technically be a totally different game.
I was always more surprised it took Blizzard as long as it did to realize we'd pay for Classic by the thousands. It's like leaving money on the table, ya know?
Nost worked because of the population . Regular wow could work If they just put ppl together on a mega server . We are so disconnected in real life already . Now they keep us apart online . Nost was a beautiful mashup of insanity . You fell in love with how the server felt alive. It was real ASF. The ganking. The drama . The scammers. The shitty groups. That's what u love . Even tho u hate it... It baffles me that ppl don't understand this yet
If it wasn't for WoW Classic, I would be playing a different game right now, with this plateau and downtime in Retail. It was the right thing to do, to give the people what they wanted, and it is a great addition. I'm looking forward to TBC. Thumbs up!
How we got to added microtransactions to Classic where they were never supposed to be in the first place? How they ruined Classic after just two years?
@@Lornext go cry somewhere else. I remember classic andys complaining back in wotlk. Your type of people will never be 100% happy. On the other hand, people like me have fun
Remember when a friend/guild-mate made his own server would have fun running around as a literal god being able to change values of attack and speed to my will and pick my form but never played on a fully populated custom server.
Couple of CEOs literally destroy a small 'company', invite them over to woo them and keep their mouth shut- Asmongold: this is so fucking cool to me....
Being someone who's from Nost/Darrowshire/Elysium/Elysium2/Lightbringer/Northdale. Classic was trashmode compared to any of these realms. I'm sure even Esfand (who was in my guild Compound on Lightbringer before he was famous) Could even testify that Classic wasn't at all what it should have been. AV battleground was absolutely different from True Vanilla, Post Nerf Raids, you name it, they nerfed it. But you guys don't need me to tell you that Blizzard isn't the same company that it once was. It's ran by corporate. Until corporate (Activi$ion) realizes how much money they're losing , compared to what they COULD be making, nothing will change. The only way to establish change is to create a disturbance in the force.
What's sad is most of your viewers are Retailers that have no understanding of what true Vanilla is. They only know the Classic Experience, and I feel bad for them.
@@buffalotitan6123 Classic Andy move on dude was 2004. Honestly no one cares,.or cares you feel sorry for them cause they didn't get the true AV experience which I did and believe me it was shit. Had 4/5 hour games and most people would leave all the time. And incase you don't know finances or watch stock blizzard/Activision is making more money than they know how too use. Sorry bruh. Time to grow up.
@@tammybolden9299 "incase you don't know finances or watch stock" Blizz stocks are rising just because of bubble in Nasdaq, that;s all. "blizzard/Activision is making more money than they know how too use" That;s because of "helicopter money" for everyone sitting home and have nothing to do except MMO.
@@tammybolden9299 lmao u care enough to comment. Honestly you sound so miserable I think the only person people don't care about is that trash opinion of yours.
Asmon is absolutely correct that Blizzard didn't have any MANDATE to contact the Nostalrius team and tell them what they were doing, and Nostalrius had no LEGAL RIGHT to release all the code/info. But that isn't the argument. The fact is that Nostalrius was in the LEGAL wrong from the get go, every milisecond they worked on the private server. And if they didn't get as big as they did and put all that pressure on Blizzard we MIGHT HAVE NEVER gotten classic. So of course Blizzard didn't have to tell them anything and they had no right to do what they did. But if they had worked through that framework none of this would have happened. So in this case the popular opinion is that the END justified the MEANS. And that is something I find extremely hard to deny since Blizzards official opinion on the classic server was a straight out absolutely clear as day NO. It's hypocritical to play Classic WoW and in the same breath talk shit about the people who made it happen. It's easy to talk shit after the dirty work has already been done.
They could have, they're aholes for not doing it honestly considering who they did tell, but me not telling you my secrets doesn't give you the right to sell my property. In no instance does that equate.
Lmao the Alex bit, I probably wouldn't be watching Asmon or into the wow community if not for Alexensual's 10 reasons to play Nostalrius video. I was there on all the private servers since then and holy shit it was fucking crazy looking back on it. There was actually a video that got taken down that I watched before of Alexensual sperging out in a discord call with Asmongold and some other pserver guys, i think Lavos was the guy recording it.
I don't think the redistribution of 15 year-old code should be illegal. People like Asmongold really complain about copyright law being unfair but when people complain about an individual thing within copyright law they turn around and say "but they have a right to do that tho." Also, corporations aren't people. Corporations shouldn't be thought of as anything other than faceless, profit-driven, and self-serving. This whole idea of "think about their profits, man" is absolutely pathetic. Corporations shouldn't have the rights that people do.
Writing code from scratch for a private WoW server is not illegal. The art assets are in the WoW client which is on your local computer, I think, so connecting to a private server is not illegal, tho it's probably against EULA. The illegal part is trademark/copyright violation when advertising that you are selling a World of Warcraft product. Operating a WoW private server is illegal, but contributing to the server software implementation is not. This is why the open source WoW server software is still hosted on github, there's nothing really Blizzard can do about it as it just reverse engineers the WoW server code it doesn't copy any of it, since the open source projects never had access to server code.
They didn't distribute the game though, they distirubted the nost core which is a combination of scripts and custom server backend that you can use to run your own server. None of it is Blizzard owned. The whole reason most pservers are immune to being shut down is because they don't actually distribute the game client (most of them anyway), they instead expect you to get it from somewhere else whilke providing connection info to their server which has never so much as touched Blizz's cold, jewish hands. You don't really understand the context of the argument and neither does asmon.
I hate blizz as much as the next guy but cmon, you cant complain they came at you legally when you STOLE their game. In the video he even gets upset when he says blizzard were trying to steal the code back, you cant steal what you rightfully own
i think its sad that they just relaunch the expansions, i think the should add everything they planned to release in the expansion but never did the first time.
So just a heads up. If you serve someone you are not legally allowed to serve them personally. They HAD to hire a guy to serve him. A PI is the usual go to as the other option is the police. Either way that is the way it goes. Daily.
Im not a 100% sure if i remember this correctly. But at some point the nost team did go public telling blizzard to atleast give some kind of update about vanilla/classic wow or else they would in some capacity fire up the nost server again in one way or another. And this is the part im not sure about. this might have been why they gave the Elysium team everything. And if this was in that time line blizzard should just have said something about classic instead of sending some weirdo i knock on Nanos door
How are private investigators legal? Is it legal to have one because the federal government can have one as well. I just feel like private investigators are people that intrude into people's privacy. Working on a biased format that is completely kept secret between the private investigator and the one that hired him/her, so the person that is being investigated doesn't truly know what the exact reason they are being investigated for and if they are being investigated in the first place. It's a predatory type of business and it needs to be looked at thoroughly.
22:27 the code was made by nost team not blizzard. The only thing you get from blizzard with a private server are the models and the game world but not any code.
@@heyitspanos8004 All the source code is with blizzard. For example the CDs you get from the store back in the day just have the world and models of the NPCs but they wont do anything or be intractable. Private servers have to program the game from scratch top to bottom.
@@محمدالامريكي-ج9م If you recode something that was already done by someone else, it is still stealing. If I redo something from scratch (Wow, GTA, or juste a Windows OS) and distribute it to other people for free, I am still stealing from someone (Blizzrd, Rockstar or Microsoft).
@@VictouffeVideos im not talking legally im just saying technically. The nost code is not the same one that Blizz made originally. Only blizzard has the original code. They just made a code similar to it.
I would agree with you, except technically the code they wrote was theirs, and theirs to give. Nost had to develop that code for the server. Now sure, things like the actual client is a problem, but they didnt distribute clients. Also the game files are also a problem, but I didn't see blizzard suing thottbot, allakhazam, or wowhead--so that's all data that elysium could have gotten from elsewhere. The idea that they can't distribute code that they actually wrote that makes a server work, is ridiculous.
Hiring someone to serve court papers is common practice and it's not a hitman. Knocking on a persons door even at 10:30 isn't harassment and him saying his daughter cried is just dramatizing the situation.the guy was dropping of a Summons not attempting to scare his kid or anyone else. Legal document summoning you to court need to be dropped off by certified person. It's just how it is.
What I learned from classic is that, while it is superior to modern wow in too many ways to count, blizz didn't really have a capacity to learn back then. When vanilla initially came out, we used to laugh at "blizzard boys and their casual game". And now, after I've actually played Classic? We were actually right. Every problem they had in vanilla (honor system that discourages large scale pvp and city raids, the world bosses with weird timers that you can kill, like, once in a week if you are lucky and not at your night shift at work or whatever, etc, etc), if they rectified at all, they always rectified in a weird way that damaged some other part of the game, like immersion, player communication, world pvp... Even worse, they started listening to ppl, and make bad decisions based on that. Hey, not many ppl really liked world bosses in classic! Well, let's completely fckn devaluate them! And all the little decisions like that, little steps, that eventually turned the game into a soulless grinder it is today. Seeing all this, I am honestly surprised they were able to make vanilla wow what it was back in the day at all.
Ascension has TH-cam ads, and both League and Dota came from a mod on a blizzard game. Aside from that, why was a private investigator necessary to deliver a cease and desist?
P.I.s actually make the best process server for legal documents, especially when it requires finding a person or knowing someone will be at a, certain location making sure the person being served gets served quickly and doesn't avoid being served.
@@ooohmanda They are the best if you don't wanna communicate with the person at all. Pretty big stipulation for a gaming corp that gives you the reason you got banned when it happens. Where does the line stop? Would you be okay with Metallica using p.i.'s to track down everyone who posted their music to lime wire? That would have been in the south park episode that had a field day at Metallica going after rhapsody or whatever tf. Blizzard has a near limitless outreach, but they chose to have a guy stalk him and drop papers off in the middle of the night to send a message. Is your take that since piracy is illegal, it looks completely justified for a corporate entity to do that to a private citizen? If so, why does ascension have TH-cam ads? Shouldn't blizzard be doing the same to them?
I think blizzard didn’t do anything wrong except I think they shoulda put their voice out more so that they didn’t look like a big baddie. This glass ceiling they do is what screws then over the most. You should have a team for the public relations side while still maintaining your behind the scenes artist who we mistily. But so many companies never want to have the ethical discussion. Pokémon is my favorite franchise and I think they need to have the balls in a nice way rather than just acting like the company is their own will. When something is seen as it’s own will it’s hard to support it because that goes against human nature and ideals. Every intellectual, especially a multi billion dollar company should be able to send one guy out to explain their reasoning. We cannot give into this cancel culture
Broad stroke with a bright brush, but people who are arguing with Asmon have no idea on how stakeholding or IP protection works and how at risk blizzard was. Big companies don't take big actions unnecessarily. Did it look shitty - yes, but it had purpose.
Eh, in hindsight I still think it would have been better to disclose their plans for Classic. Whole community was not happy at that time, and Blizzard has had a pretty bad history of essentially lying. I can 100% see why Nostalrius would think Blizzard is full of shit dispite being invited to a talk. However, if I was part of that team I would not have the balls to publicly engage with Blizzard in the first place. What they were doing is pretty illegal.
The think you do but don't was 100 percent right for most people. Just look at how bad the servers are now. And truth be told it only got famous out of spite for the guy. So at the end of the day him saying that trigger a bunch of neckbeards into going back, and now a new age people got to see how bad it really was.
But... But I thought we only thought we wanted vanilla ice cream. we don't really want it. Now I don't know what to think. J Alan Brack please tell me what to think and what to want.
Im 110% sure if you have a product and want to sale, you"ll give it to your frienda Bobby and Jimmy to spread the news and not to a radio/news/tv/ online persona for even free advertising, yep. 110% will go to lil ol johny over the street
I swear I've heard "You think you do but you don't" 100 times by now, maybe more, and it still triggers me so fucking hard.
@@Sourman1545 nah most wow players/gamers are too weak for that...
EA: Releases crap
Gamers: reeeeee I'll never buy EA game again
EA: releases new crap
Gamers: oh shit waddup
Idk if thats worse or the "does everyone not have phones?"
His comment was like the final nail in the coffin for me for WoW and that was the day I finally decided to go full time FFXIV instead of WoW. To this day I have never regret that decision.
Having developers behaving like this towards the players was terrible terrible move. Continued by "don't you guys have a phone" respond. Oh my, blizzard, you're done.
Yeah I really don’t like being told what I want out of gaming. I’m pretty damn well aware what I want- and it’s obvious when I go out of my way to still play stuff like Diablo 2 and private WoW servers before classic hit- hell I even played wc3 and waited the like hour queues to get in games while I watched tv before they came out with that shitshow that reforged was. They ruined it for me, and it was just nostalgia- they were genuinely good games that still hold up.
@@Imbalanxd Its estimated to be hundreds of thousands of people still playing classic WoW (around 300k was the last estimate I saw). Those numbers are frankly pretty damn good, especially for a 15 year old game that you barely need to maintain or develop for.
It not being popular on Twitch does not mean its dead. If that were the case then PUBG would be dead but, surprise, it peaks at or close to half a million concurrent players daily just on steam.
It not being fun to you does not mean its not fun to other people.
There was clearly always a large chunk of people who really wanted classic servers and are still very happy to play on them, the fact that its not or not close to everyone who plays WoW who shares that sentiment doesnt invalidate those who really like the Classic experience.
-An Impartial Andy
Man the last few minutes of Nostalrius before it shut down were absolutely crazy and sad. Can't believe it's already been five years!
I still remember it like yesterday. Nearly cried at the sight of all the people and took so many screenshots.
Those people popping flask for dueling and giving away gold 😂
Nostalrius gave the game such vibrancy and life.. It was insane. It was, at least since the original vanilla and tbc, the hype. I absolutely got hooked on wow. It felt like a world engulfed in a war. Trade was vibrant, people were traveling everywhere, STV has never been more legendary. The servers were actually superior to the garbage vanilla retail uses to this day. On Dragonfang some weeks ago, it could not contain 400 people in a zone without lag, whereas on nostalrius such and even bigger amounts of people worked absolutely flawlessly.
Nostalrius was the peak, not classic. Fuck you Blizzard, for ruining that for me. I still cannot go over the beauty of that world, the attachment to my character, my guild, the memories made with friends.. I tried again on Dragonfang some weeks ago but it was just not the same. You done fucked up, Blizzard, but you are slowly digging your own grave anyway.
May TBC be good, and it likely will be, but I will have neither the time nor the will to participate or race towards it.
Small indie company. The ceo needed to fire people... He can't be the only one at the country club with only three vacation homes !!!
@@rapace8934 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
The dev behind classic just left the company for dream haven a few days ago
nice!:D
Had the best experience in Classic since Wrath.
Hats off to everyone who were working hard for Classic and it's supporters!
You think you do and we did.
Not everyone was pleased and never can come time where everyone will be pleased.
No changes or changes
Which version
The launch wasn't perfect. But it was exciting
I'm just glad we got to experience this gem.
Man classic launch was amazing, everyone pouring into the starting zones and the lines to kill quest bosses. I never ended up doing lategame stuff such as strath, scholo, or raids but I did get to 60 on my lock. With my guild and server dead I decided to call quits but man it was fun while it lasted.
Classic wasn't it for me and for many others but I am glad that it happened.
@@NonsensicalSpudz we can only hope
@@NonsensicalSpudz yeh rip, I was gonna return for tbc till that
@@Gunship888 no, I haven't played since 60 in phase 1, I'm not glued to the game like you and how vehemently you defend blizz
@@NonsensicalSpudz no use responding to people attaching their ego to a corporation
I'm glad they compared the amount of accounts with the size of texas otherwise I wouldn't understand anything
As a private server developer who works for a for-profit server I can say he's ABSOLUTELY correct that Blizzard will hire a 3rd party private investigator to find you and to serve you legal papers to sue you. But this happens to a lot of people who have their official identity attached to their private server work, especially in the case of for-profit servers. This happened to my employer.
which server do u work for?
@@HbVki Nice try Blizzard's legal department =P
@@GladerDev lol, nah i really wanna know.. i recently started playing a private server pretty hardcore and im starting to feel like i need to be more involved.
I totally forgot about alex sensual lol. I played towards the end of Nostalrius, it was my first time ever playing wow and it blew my mind. I still have screenshots of people in a single file line in darkshore for the turtle bone quest where you loot the giant skull under water. That server was so fun, it was packed 24/7 with people. I played on a ton of private servers after that, started my first ever sub when classic came out.
I've never seen a more overused meme than Asmon's hair.
What hair?
Don't worry, it won't last more than a few more years at this point. His hair that is kekw
It's that a jojo reference.
I hate that meme so much i cannot start watching the anime.
Monkey meme, shrek memes, mash mouth, and mario 64 memes
Dude its a vampire of memes, it never dies
Im still sitting here holding my breath, i started in TBC but i never really got anywhere. I really didnt start playing the game until the start of WOTLK so im still waiting for the day we officially get WoTLKs release because that was were i made the most memories in the game. And the private servers while fun dont hold a flame to what it was like in retail, stuff i got to experience when Classic came out. I still remember stuff like the LINES people made in starting areas just to kill boss quests mobs, cannot wait for TBC to drop so i can really see what it felt like. An experience i sorely missed due to being young and not understand the game, big thanks to everyone who helped us get Classic.
15:45 lmao i wasnt ready for this
Respect to this guy and to the Nostalrius team! Had a blast in classic, played even more than Vanilla and even now I am alt tabing from classic to watch this video.
its amazing how much Asmon is featured in other content creators' videos, he's there in every video basically.
The thing between Nostalrius releasing their shit and Blizzard pressing down on 'em, it's just a situation of miscommunication between both parties. Blizzard didn't tell 'em to keep their shit private cause they were planning to launch official servers for that product. Nostalrius thought that Blizzard threw their idea out the window and then Blizzard thought that Nostalrius went rogue, it's just lack of communication.
the way he defended their actions is also bad. you dont treat your fans like this even if its legally right. if not for the nostalrius we wouldnt have anything now. they did that out of love for the game so they should have reached out to them. blizz had a right to deal with it their way but it was a dick move that could have been avoided.
@@DJake1992 what a stupid take, we are talking about millions upon millions of dollars that were at stake through ILLEGAL actions, blizzard had very right to search for them and serve em papers. they even had a DUTY to their stakeholders to make sure that this leak is closed and that their IP is safe.
if i am a business owner and someone tries to make me lose millions by distributing MY PRODUCT ilegally you can bet your ass that i am coming after them until they dont even think about doing it anymore, this is not a kids game, jobs hang in the balance, real lifes do. what do you think happens when expected revenue does not come thorugh? layoffs! and not your oh so hated CEOs and upper management, no, the people who really need the income get axed because manbabys did not get their way and threw a tantrum and did something illegal.
So no it was not a dick move and the guys from Nostalrius were 100% in the wrong, legally and ethically.
@@empi2597 youre delusional if you think that closing nostalrius saved jobs at blizzard. if it was so bad no private servers would exist. if people want to play an old version of any game regardless of graphics or janky gameplay they should be allowed to. normally it's a no issue because the devs put out a better version and support it so gamers update the game but in case of blizzard it's no longer run by competent people and they are not able to provide a better product. so instead of being grateful for the hardcore fans that dont want this ip to die instead of cooperating they go to war with their own community.
@@DJake1992 your whole post did not have anything to do with the topic at hand you know?
the topic is that those idiots at nostalrius shared blizzard property with elysium because they got their fefees hurt because they did not hear back from blizzard.
And even if that is not the case, if someone does not want you to use your product and it is ILLEGAL to do so, you DO NOT do it.
Blizzard only got on their case after the elysium leak anyway, since they had classic in the works and it would damage them heavily if that shit continued.
You are far too entitled, you live in some kind of world where if you think its okay you can do anything right? just break the law because you think you deserve something or others owe you something. well guess what, nobody owes you shit, and if you break the law do not be suprised when people call you out on it and threaten you with said law.
And in this case Blizz stood to lose millions since again : THEY WERE ALREADY WORKING ON CLASSIC when those geniuses decided to give elysium what was not theirs to give, it is as simple as that.
And for you to think that players somehow have a right to even old outdated games makes you the naive one, they dont nor have they ever had the right, they had the priviledge to use it as long as the OWNER allowed them to use it. and if the owner says NO, then thats that, anything else is against the law.
i simply dont udnerstand how you were brought up, did your parents not teach you that you do not use what others own without their permission? simply minboggling how entitled you are.
this will be my last post on this topic, since we both ahve made our positions abundantly clear, have a nice day.
@@empi2597 my parents taught me not to kiss ass and be respectful to those that respect me. the abomination that blizz became has no respect for you nor any player. they dont even have respect for their IPs that made this company so big. like with w3 refunded they outsourced it with limited budget like piece of crap and fucked it up together with the original game that was made by respected people. now again people are fixing it themselves by using the old version with a 3rd party software created for free by the FANS. its embarrassing that people during their free time do a better job and its blizz that demands payment for constantly fucking things up.
I love when people in the chat complain about Asmon pausing the video to comment, like if you want to watch just the video then go to youtube and watch it. you should watch Asmon if you want commentary...
He was a hyperactive pausinator this time. Was pretty annoying. First time I have ever been annoyed at his pauses.
23:11 The problem is that Blizzard NEVER had the intention of working with the people of Nostalrius. They just want all the money for themselves and treated the people from Nastalrius pretty bad after inviting the Nostalrius for their PR stuff. They didn't reach an olive branch. They took all the olives and claimed the whole tree for themselves.
And they rightfully did so as they never owned a single part of the server they ran in the first place. Ofc they want the money themselves its theirs rightfully. These nostalrius dudes havent done jack shit but break the law copying something they dont own. The fokk u on about
@@amoeba8888 If you recode something that already exists, it is still stealing. If you code from scratch discord, Teamspeak, GTA, or a windows OS, you are still stealing. What blizzard owns is not the line of codes, but the resulting software.
@@amoeba8888 actually it is not true. You have to add enough to show that it is significantly different from WoW. And at this point it is no longer a wow private server.
And that depends what Blizzard owns. There is a famous example in computer science of a SAT algorithm that was published (so accessible to everyone) but that was then copyrighted and sold (meaning that you are not allowed to code it, or at least code it and distribute it)
@@amoeba8888 Oh yes you are right that Nostalrius guys did the work (I mean they used some of the work from MangOS, but still)
But what I meant is that under most jurisdictions (at least EU and US), the code of the video game is not the only thing protected by copyright. Of course the music, the background, the story and the lore are also protected and cannot be copied as such. But you could also easily argue in court (and probably win as we saw similar cases recently) that the dungeons layouts with specific boss mechanics cannot be copied. you can do some derivative work, but not copy it exaclty.
But anyway you are right they did the code, just that there is more to a game than the code, and they still "stole" from blizzard (in the form of their ideas)
Lol, this guy is acting like he was almost assassinated because someone knocked on his door to serve him around 10pm. Like wtf are you even talking about
Yea...I get that it's a bit freaky at the moment, and irritating later on for sure, but I've been served paperwork before. That's how a LOT of servers (can't think of the title) act, cause people think it doesn't matter if you ignore them. They make sure you can't ignore them. Gotta love society.
Vanilla, Burning Crusade, Wrath of the Lich King. The Trinity of WoW.
This
A time when WoW was so incredibly addicting, you'd play for hours every day, every week and never felt like a minute was wasted.
@@Imbalanxd Some people just like to hate, but I think Vanilla to Wrath was the golden period of WoW, all things considered. The game wasn't so homogenized as it is today and you could, for the most part, play the game like you wanted. I also really liked Cata and MoP, which introduced a more fast action type gameplay, which was so great in PvP, but I can see why people didn't like those expansions, as they were quite different from the first 3 games.
@@Imbalanxd TBC too convenient xD after making 2 lvl 60s and got my 35 craft alts I mainly raidlogged in classic or just played the economy. In OG TBC where I started to play seriously I can remember me doing heroics and actually leaveing shattrah for stuff just a few Days before wotlk release because there was that much to do. There was honestly almost too much to do in TBC but I'd rather have that then raidlogging.
@Generic Username the mechanics introduced in wotlk are seen as bad tho since they paved way for lfr and the absurd in game shop/service shop we have today. Don't get me wrong wotlk is right after TBC for best expansion still but I didn't see it then but it paved way for much MUCH worse things in cata
As someone who played on Nost since day one I'll tell you that they did Classic better than Blizzard. No lag, no sharding, no leeway no 400ms spell batching. It was perfect.
They also had like, a tiny fraction of the population
they did good at stealing lul
Nostalrius and Kronos came out at the same time, it was huge hype for both servers. Nost had more people but Kronos had better scripting and buffed raids which lots of hardcore people liked since it wasn't that easy to clear all the content. It was a golden age of vanilla private servers.
The issue that Asmon and many others don't seem to grasp is that private server "code" isn't stolen. Projects like TrinityCore and ManGOS re-built from scratch the entire back-end portion of WoW servers; The only thing that crosses a line is a legal sense is that the server populates its databases from information within the game client. Using the official client breaks the ToS for networked gameplay on non-official servers. And trying to profit from a project like Elysium or Nost is a grey area, which is why servers were hosted in France.
Blizzard doesn't go around shutting down every private server; They only ever go after big names which are profiting from the use of Blizzard assets. That's really what they care about - the millions of particle effects, graphics, meshes and pieces of art that were bought and paid for by Blizzard studios back in the late 90s.
A private server could literally remake all their tables, change all the text and reskin everything and it would technically be a totally different game.
How nostalrius died to make blizzard millions on classic
Is it wrong for a company to make a lot of money giving people what they want?
@@Chopstorm. no, I think it's great, I'm just stating the facts.
I was always more surprised it took Blizzard as long as it did to realize we'd pay for Classic by the thousands. It's like leaving money on the table, ya know?
@@lc9245 There's an exception to just about every rule.
Nost worked because of the population . Regular wow could work If they just put ppl together on a mega server . We are so disconnected in real life already . Now they keep us apart online . Nost was a beautiful mashup of insanity . You fell in love with how the server felt alive. It was real ASF. The ganking. The drama . The scammers. The shitty groups. That's what u love . Even tho u hate it... It baffles me that ppl don't understand this yet
Actually teared up a little bit there at the announcement part LOL. Brought back so many good memories
34:47 He liked his own comment. I knew he was that guy. I knew it!
"Why would I post the comment if I didn't like it?"
@@HimePenguin "If you throw the garbage out does does that make you a garbage man?" -Asmongold
If it wasn't for WoW Classic, I would be playing a different game right now, with this plateau and downtime in Retail. It was the right thing to do, to give the people what they wanted, and it is a great addition. I'm looking forward to TBC. Thumbs up!
Blizzard got someone hired to watch Asmon 😂
How we got to added microtransactions to Classic where they were never supposed to be in the first place?
How they ruined Classic after just two years?
wait what? they added microtransactions to classic?
@@DJake1992 Boosts and extra mount(s) incoming.
Oh no. I will never again be able to enjoy the game, cause some guy bought a mount...
@@mitchtheronin1469 First ignore half of the problem, then dismiss the rest, and you guys still wonder why this game is going down hill? :D
@@Lornext go cry somewhere else. I remember classic andys complaining back in wotlk. Your type of people will never be 100% happy. On the other hand, people like me have fun
I wish they did a server with a fresh vanilla restart. Not interested in tbc and I don't want to play on private servers
no, let classic die please
@@Yuzu2k I enjoy leveling, and classic is great at that
@@Yuzu2k sad life
@@Yuzu2k classic is still a thing..
@@Yuzu2k it's just gonna be different realms
In Cuba we play Wrath and Legion Private, at really good performance.
Remember when a friend/guild-mate made his own server would have fun running around as a literal god being able to change values of attack and speed to my will and pick my form but never played on a fully populated custom server.
Couple of CEOs literally destroy a small 'company', invite them over to woo them and keep their mouth shut- Asmongold: this is so fucking cool to me....
Dude, its so funny hearing "you think you do but you dont" whilst playing Classic and have been since release. Feels good man
making it sound like Blizzard hired a hitman to find that dude
13:41
We thought we did, but we didn't.
This guy's eyebrow movements are completely out of control
You must be new here.
Chat is a mob. You can't reason with a mob.
"Majority always wrong, bald man always right."
I remember Panser from Tradechat being cancelled. Her last 20k+ view video was 2 years ago, she was decimated.
Wait what happened to her? I completely forgot about her lol
wait, why was she cancelled?
Had the best time on Nost. Man, they even did Old AV good.
Vancell here nostalrious veteran and classic wow is awesome
That one guy in chat really said “why is this dude wearing three shirts?” Lol
There it is dooooood
That Nostalrious video from Asmon was the first video I ever saw of his. Holy shit
To be honest the Nostalrius Team could hold Classic servers better than a Multi billionaire Company, That's just fucked up!
Being someone who's from Nost/Darrowshire/Elysium/Elysium2/Lightbringer/Northdale. Classic was trashmode compared to any of these realms. I'm sure even Esfand (who was in my guild Compound on Lightbringer before he was famous) Could even testify that Classic wasn't at all what it should have been.
AV battleground was absolutely different from True Vanilla, Post Nerf Raids, you name it, they nerfed it.
But you guys don't need me to tell you that Blizzard isn't the same company that it once was. It's ran by corporate. Until corporate (Activi$ion) realizes how much money they're losing , compared to what they COULD be making, nothing will change. The only way to establish change is to create a disturbance in the force.
What's sad is most of your viewers are Retailers that have no understanding of what true Vanilla is. They only know the Classic Experience, and I feel bad for them.
@@buffalotitan6123 Classic Andy move on dude was 2004. Honestly no one cares,.or cares you feel sorry for them cause they didn't get the true AV experience which I did and believe me it was shit. Had 4/5 hour games and most people would leave all the time. And incase you don't know finances or watch stock blizzard/Activision is making more money than they know how too use. Sorry bruh. Time to grow up.
@@tammybolden9299 "incase you don't know finances or watch stock"
Blizz stocks are rising just because of bubble in Nasdaq, that;s all.
"blizzard/Activision is making more money than they know how too use"
That;s because of "helicopter money" for everyone sitting home and have nothing to do except MMO.
@@tammybolden9299 lmao u care enough to comment. Honestly you sound so miserable I think the only person people don't care about is that trash opinion of yours.
@@Valvad0ss Thanks for your reply , peace be with you. No valid points just name calling classic 12 year old.
"quote unquote illegal" well... It was illegal, it doesn't matter how you phrase it...
Man my nostalrius experience was hard 😂 I was lvl58 hunter and couldn't get to 60 coz silithus was a warzone all day long
What about dungeons? Wasn't there like 55+?
Original video 15min and asmon's react 35min.. amazing
Asmon is absolutely correct that Blizzard didn't have any MANDATE to contact the Nostalrius team and tell them what they were doing, and Nostalrius had no LEGAL RIGHT to release all the code/info.
But that isn't the argument. The fact is that Nostalrius was in the LEGAL wrong from the get go, every milisecond they worked on the private server. And if they didn't get as big as they did and put all that pressure on Blizzard we MIGHT HAVE NEVER gotten classic.
So of course Blizzard didn't have to tell them anything and they had no right to do what they did. But if they had worked through that framework none of this would have happened. So in this case the popular opinion is that the END justified the MEANS. And that is something I find extremely hard to deny since Blizzards official opinion on the classic server was a straight out absolutely clear as day NO.
It's hypocritical to play Classic WoW and in the same breath talk shit about the people who made it happen. It's easy to talk shit after the dirty work has already been done.
so blizzard told streamers about classic beta and put them under NDA but they couldn't do that with the Nostalrius people
neat.
They could have, they're aholes for not doing it honestly considering who they did tell, but me not telling you my secrets doesn't give you the right to sell my property. In no instance does that equate.
Love the amount in chats ask and demands to stop pausing and I remember this is asmongold what did you expect?
This same lack of communication is the reason f or my 1st dovorce!
"Do you take this man to be your lawful wedded husband"
"I think I do, but I don't"
Lmao the Alex bit, I probably wouldn't be watching Asmon or into the wow community if not for Alexensual's 10 reasons to play Nostalrius video. I was there on all the private servers since then and holy shit it was fucking crazy looking back on it.
There was actually a video that got taken down that I watched before of Alexensual sperging out in a discord call with Asmongold and some other pserver guys, i think Lavos was the guy recording it.
I don't think the redistribution of 15 year-old code should be illegal. People like Asmongold really complain about copyright law being unfair but when people complain about an individual thing within copyright law they turn around and say "but they have a right to do that tho."
Also, corporations aren't people. Corporations shouldn't be thought of as anything other than faceless, profit-driven, and self-serving. This whole idea of "think about their profits, man" is absolutely pathetic.
Corporations shouldn't have the rights that people do.
What in the FUCK? Asmon looks 10 years older in that clip, and yet it was over 10 years AGO? My dude has aged in reverse.
It was 2016..
Lol at the people in the chat arguing about the distribution legality
Writing code from scratch for a private WoW server is not illegal. The art assets are in the WoW client which is on your local computer, I think, so connecting to a private server is not illegal, tho it's probably against EULA.
The illegal part is trademark/copyright violation when advertising that you are selling a World of Warcraft product.
Operating a WoW private server is illegal, but contributing to the server software implementation is not. This is why the open source WoW server software is still hosted on github, there's nothing really Blizzard can do about it as it just reverse engineers the WoW server code it doesn't copy any of it, since the open source projects never had access to server code.
Level 17 Hunter
lmao the people in chat 'where is it illegal to distribute the game'. Read the fine print when you make an account for a game!
The chat arguments are ridiculous in this. I stopped paying attention to them altogether at that point.
They didn't distribute the game though, they distirubted the nost core which is a combination of scripts and custom server backend that you can use to run your own server. None of it is Blizzard owned. The whole reason most pservers are immune to being shut down is because they don't actually distribute the game client (most of them anyway), they instead expect you to get it from somewhere else whilke providing connection info to their server which has never so much as touched Blizz's cold, jewish hands. You don't really understand the context of the argument and neither does asmon.
I hate blizz as much as the next guy but cmon, you cant complain they came at you legally when you STOLE their game. In the video he even gets upset when he says blizzard were trying to steal the code back, you cant steal what you rightfully own
16:40 the level 17 vs 30 druid thing watch the hunters POV dude oh my GOD SO FUNNYY search "17 hunter vs 25 druid in Zoram Strand"
i think its sad that they just relaunch the expansions, i think the should add everything they planned to release in the expansion but never did the first time.
World buffs, expensive asf consumes sucks but i'm glad i experienced them. See you in TBC
So just a heads up. If you serve someone you are not legally allowed to serve them personally. They HAD to hire a guy to serve him. A PI is the usual go to as the other option is the police. Either way that is the way it goes. Daily.
To answer the question about Katie Perry... Dudes who listen to real music such as DEATHMETAL.... That's who wasn't jamming to her.... Ever.
I will join classic wow when they bring mists of panderia in, just to get that good feeling back working for those mounts n secret weapons
Im not a 100% sure if i remember this correctly. But at some point the nost team did go public telling blizzard to atleast give some kind of update about vanilla/classic wow or else they would in some capacity fire up the nost server again in one way or another. And this is the part im not sure about. this might have been why they gave the Elysium team everything. And if this was in that time line blizzard should just have said something about classic instead of sending some weirdo i knock on Nanos door
You remember correctly they tried to reach out so many times but Blizzard was completely silent
How are private investigators legal? Is it legal to have one because the federal government can have one as well. I just feel like private investigators are people that intrude into people's privacy. Working on a biased format that is completely kept secret between the private investigator and the one that hired him/her, so the person that is being investigated doesn't truly know what the exact reason they are being investigated for and if they are being investigated in the first place. It's a predatory type of business and it needs to be looked at thoroughly.
22:27 the code was made by nost team not blizzard. The only thing you get from blizzard with a private server are the models and the game world but not any code.
You know, a large chunk of code is still from blizzard.
@@heyitspanos8004 All the source code is with blizzard. For example the CDs you get from the store back in the day just have the world and models of the NPCs but they wont do anything or be intractable. Private servers have to program the game from scratch top to bottom.
@@محمدالامريكي-ج9م If you recode something that was already done by someone else, it is still stealing.
If I redo something from scratch (Wow, GTA, or juste a Windows OS) and distribute it to other people for free, I am still stealing from someone (Blizzrd, Rockstar or Microsoft).
@@VictouffeVideos im not talking legally im just saying technically. The nost code is not the same one that Blizz made originally. Only blizzard has the original code. They just made a code similar to it.
I would agree with you, except technically the code they wrote was theirs, and theirs to give. Nost had to develop that code for the server.
Now sure, things like the actual client is a problem, but they didnt distribute clients. Also the game files are also a problem, but I didn't see blizzard suing thottbot, allakhazam, or wowhead--so that's all data that elysium could have gotten from elsewhere.
The idea that they can't distribute code that they actually wrote that makes a server work, is ridiculous.
Someone take asmons space bar away from him please.
Hiring someone to serve court papers is common practice and it's not a hitman. Knocking on a persons door even at 10:30 isn't harassment and him saying his daughter cried is just dramatizing the situation.the guy was dropping of a Summons not attempting to scare his kid or anyone else. Legal document summoning you to court need to be dropped off by certified person. It's just how it is.
J Allen Brack spits in the face of countless neckbeards that caused a revolution.
Mike ... We miss you ....
What I learned from classic is that, while it is superior to modern wow in too many ways to count, blizz didn't really have a capacity to learn back then. When vanilla initially came out, we used to laugh at "blizzard boys and their casual game". And now, after I've actually played Classic? We were actually right. Every problem they had in vanilla (honor system that discourages large scale pvp and city raids, the world bosses with weird timers that you can kill, like, once in a week if you are lucky and not at your night shift at work or whatever, etc, etc), if they rectified at all, they always rectified in a weird way that damaged some other part of the game, like immersion, player communication, world pvp... Even worse, they started listening to ppl, and make bad decisions based on that. Hey, not many ppl really liked world bosses in classic! Well, let's completely fckn devaluate them! And all the little decisions like that, little steps, that eventually turned the game into a soulless grinder it is today. Seeing all this, I am honestly surprised they were able to make vanilla wow what it was back in the day at all.
as a father, with a baby girl - if blizzard did this shit to me id serve up a fucking molotov to brack.
Ascension has TH-cam ads, and both League and Dota came from a mod on a blizzard game. Aside from that, why was a private investigator necessary to deliver a cease and desist?
P.I.s actually make the best process server for legal documents, especially when it requires finding a person or knowing someone will be at a, certain location making sure the person being served gets served quickly and doesn't avoid being served.
@@ooohmanda They are the best if you don't wanna communicate with the person at all. Pretty big stipulation for a gaming corp that gives you the reason you got banned when it happens. Where does the line stop? Would you be okay with Metallica using p.i.'s to track down everyone who posted their music to lime wire? That would have been in the south park episode that had a field day at Metallica going after rhapsody or whatever tf. Blizzard has a near limitless outreach, but they chose to have a guy stalk him and drop papers off in the middle of the night to send a message. Is your take that since piracy is illegal, it looks completely justified for a corporate entity to do that to a private citizen? If so, why does ascension have TH-cam ads? Shouldn't blizzard be doing the same to them?
Rip rectful we love you
straight out of a christopher nolan movie
im more and more considering playing classic/TBC. im sick of retail. What do i level?
I think blizzard didn’t do anything wrong except I think they shoulda put their voice out more so that they didn’t look like a big baddie. This glass ceiling they do is what screws then over the most. You should have a team for the public relations side while still maintaining your behind the scenes artist who we mistily. But so many companies never want to have the ethical discussion. Pokémon is my favorite franchise and I think they need to have the balls in a nice way rather than just acting like the company is their own will. When something is seen as it’s own will it’s hard to support it because that goes against human nature and ideals. Every intellectual, especially a multi billion dollar company should be able to send one guy out to explain their reasoning. We cannot give into this cancel culture
Funny how asmon says «we made it» etc, like he did anything, he was shitting on private servers and vanilla for the longest time lol
Broad stroke with a bright brush, but people who are arguing with Asmon have no idea on how stakeholding or IP protection works and how at risk blizzard was. Big companies don't take big actions unnecessarily. Did it look shitty - yes, but it had purpose.
Asmon the so called old times storys are always the best.
Eh, in hindsight I still think it would have been better to disclose their plans for Classic. Whole community was not happy at that time, and Blizzard has had a pretty bad history of essentially lying. I can 100% see why Nostalrius would think Blizzard is full of shit dispite being invited to a talk. However, if I was part of that team I would not have the balls to publicly engage with Blizzard in the first place. What they were doing is pretty illegal.
Nostalrius was still an entirely different gameplay experience that can’t be replicated IMO.
We where here Boyz! Where it all goes down!
We wuz 'ere!
What a good dood! Without him and the 4 others.... what would’ve happened.... or not happened.......
The think you do but don't was 100 percent right for most people. Just look at how bad the servers are now. And truth be told it only got famous out of spite for the guy. So at the end of the day him saying that trigger a bunch of neckbeards into going back, and now a new age people got to see how bad it really was.
LOL
i am not ashamed to say i was jaming out to paramore and katy perry when i was young to
Bring it back
CEO is already grey-haired xD
31:59 Me too Ezaron, well everyone spamming that dumb emote when Asmon trying to real talk anyway.
Classic is the only reason I have a sub
But... But I thought we only thought we wanted vanilla ice cream. we don't really want it. Now I don't know what to think. J Alan Brack please tell me what to think and what to want.
The new mic is blocking the view quite a bit. Position it different
The best part of classic, is d2:resurrected.
Abolish Copyright.
blizz used to do cool things for publicity
nowdays they do lame shit like giving beta keys to streamers to advertise for free
Im 110% sure if you have a product and want to sale, you"ll give it to your frienda Bobby and Jimmy to spread the news and not to a radio/news/tv/ online persona for even free advertising, yep. 110% will go to lil ol johny over the street
Try Warmane, its actually amazing.
Never played on a private server, feels bad man.