Tarnished Archeologist would make a great guest to speak about Elden Ring and Dave could intuitively bridge the concepts that are mirrored in A Song of Ice and Fire. SmoughTown would also be an incredible guest. I have never heard another TH-camr go in depth about Elden Ring lore than SmoughTown. He essentially does what Dave does for A Song of Ice and Fire.
SmoughTown is even releasing an entire book based on Elden Ring lore, man is as dedicated as they come. He also seems super jolly, receptive and cooperative in the podcasts I've seen him in, so I think he'd make a wonderful guest in the future.
@@noamias4897I'm a viewer of both as they're excellent but I seriously love Smough and if he did something with LML, well... That would be something like Stannis Baratheon making friends with the Soul of Cinder and fighting the Night King as he rides on Midir the Darkeater in terms of how freaking awesome it would be
This stream was so well explained, especially for non-gamers. I knew absolutely nothing about Elden Ring, but the panel expertly peeled the very layered and rich material apart, then described the ASOIAF parallels. Perfect!
I've been waiting for baited breath since I found your channel for you to talk on GRRM's influence on the lore in ER seeing how deep you go on the books! Will be praising Garth to this one!
The 2 fingers and 3 fingers is all George. There’s a huge rabbit hole about the orthodox civil war with Christianity with regards to fingers. So much so that it was installed in the art. People holding up 3 or 2 fingers to signal what side of the conflict they were on. It was a bloody horrible time in Christian history that never gets taught. George is all about this type of history.
You're trying too hard to attribute absolutely everything to Martin's pen. By the 2nd and 3rd fingers there is a huge basis for Japanese folklore. And he's much more convincing than that.
It was everything I could have asked for: 3 hours long, 2 knowledgeable guests, deep lore corroborating theories ,name drops like Tarnished Archaeology. You're the man, David Lightbringer.
Yes, she's also a member of Radagon's family that was cast aside, she also wants to do things her way as opposed to sticking to the status quo... A lot of parallels between the two.
Elden ring and asoiaf are stories about love between a rebellious moon woman (Ranni, Daenerys) that has a dragon (Adula, Drogon) and a black wolf man warrior(Blaidd, Jon). Will Jon like Blaidd chose love over a magical duty dictated by a higher power and die? Black moon broke and white one survived.
Not sure if you'll get to it on this stream but it's definitely worth exploring the connection between godwyn/deathblight and the weirwoods; Godwyn's corpse, separated from its soul is entangled in the roots of the erdtree (a greenseer, not to mention godwyn is essentially a targaeryan), and is the source of the deathblight seen all over the lands between, a bit like the weirwood network. We're also told the souls of the 'dead' are absorbed into the erdtree network to be born again, so godwyn's deathblight can be seen as a corruption of the erdtree network, with him being a sort of unwilling greenseer invading that network.
They were looking for squishers. Godwyn is squisher/deep-one like. After Godwyn's spirit is killed using the rune of death, his body becomes more like an ocean dwelling being. His lower half becomes a fish tail, his hands become webbed and clawed, his face becomes like a scallop
I had hoped the book-heads would be interested in this so I'm very pleased you liked it and I think if GRRM was watching the stream, he would be thrilled to see his readers get something out of his foray into video games. I believe ER was the first time he contributed to a game and with the success it had, he thinks it was worth it
I spent some fraction of Dark Souls via my roommates 2nd, 3rd, and 4th characters, new game+, restart...watching like it was broadcast TV. Definitely bolstered my ability to actually follow along and not just wait for the overlaps to become apparent 😅
@@robbfisher220 that's great. I actually started watching my flatmate get wrecked over and over. Eventually i felt so bad for them i demanded the controller out of pity. Before long i got the 'click' where the timings make sense and it was love from them on!
Rykard from Elden Ring is pretty much a one-to-one to Stannis. As “one-to-one” one can get. He’s also one of Miyazaki’s (game director) favourite George Martin characters written for Elden Ring, so I get the impression Martin had some fun with writing Rykard😅 - Rykard serves a royal family of siblings and parents who are much more respected than he, just as Stannis is with the Baratheons. - He is expected to serve the Elden Throne(/Marika) as an inquisitor, just as how Stannis is expected to serve the realm on behalf of, and as, Robert sees fit. - the realm of the Erdtree and Marika sends Rykard to claim hold over an ancient land called Mt. Gelmir, allowing more political control for Marika, just like how Stannis is entrusted with Dragonstone. - Rykard eventually rebels against the Throne to claim it for himself, which drives many of the men of the Erdtree towards Rykards banner - as they see it an act of ambitious bravery instead of treachery, just as how Stannis rebels the Crown to claim it for himself - seen as an act of bravery. - Rykard’s true intentions behind rebelling the crown is because he’s secretly being seduced by an ancient Serpentine-God, which uses black/dark/blasphemous magic to gain what he wants, just as how Stannis is seduced by - what they claim to be as - “the red woman” who too uses dark/prohibited magic to gain what Stannis wants -the men of Rykard finds out the true nature of his ambitions (the seduction to dark magic), and they lose respect and leave him. Just as how the people around Stannis, who once respected his bravery, look down on him after finding out the true intentions behind his “rebellion” EDIT: you should definitely have on ‘Jack is a Mimic’ at some point. He’s probably the only person, at his level, with the most respected knowledge of both Elden Ring and ASOIAF, simultaneously. He’ll have a lot more to say, a lot more in-depth with the ideas of Elden Ring, its characters, its events, themes and concepts, and how they all relate to and parallel with ASOIAF, giving indications on what exactly Martin means with Elden Ring, and how it may relate to Winds/Dreams
About the Stormlord/God being trapped. It could simply be like the Stark kings in the crypts: petrified greenseers. The Storm God being an ancient greenseer who might have wanted to take over (warging into hawks and such), and was struck down by other lords and then interred in the weirwood net to keep feeding the power of the old gods.
Some are speculative or a stretch, I know. And I'm sure there's more connections or similarities I'm missing, but this is what I found after 100%ing ER. - The Red Comet or Bleeding Star or Mormont's Torch /the Blood Star which granted blood and fire thorn sorceries - Limb grafting / what Qyburn possibly did to Gregor - Stormveil / Storms End - Mt. Gelmir, Volcano Manor / Valyria - Raya Lucaria / either The Citadel or more likely Asshai or the Church of Starry Wisdom - Starfall crater / Starfall in Dorne - Swamp of Aeonia / possibly the swamps of the Neck - The flooded area of Raya Lucaria / possibly the swamps of the neck - Blaidd / Robb Stark's direwolf head sewn on his body - Spirit callers / shadow binders - Graven Mages or Graven Schools / the collective spirits of the weirwoods - bewitching branch / Egg's sister Rhae's love potion or Maggi's love potions - Ainsel underground river/ the rivers below Westeros in Bloodraven's cave and the cave the Arianne finds - Dany's handmaid talking of two moons/Ranni's Darkmoon and Rennala's full moon - Haligteee & the Golden Erd Tree/Weirwood & Blackbarked Trees in Qarth or Ebony and Weirwood being coupled together - Glintstone colors red, green, blue/ the trident & fire (red) nature-balance (green) and blue (ice) - red Glintstone described as crystalized blood from sacrifice / weirwood sap described as red and hard as ruby - crystal tears coming from the Erd Tree / weirwood sap described as red and hard as ruby - The icey Zamor warriors / The Others - Blackflame sorcery / Blackfyre - Concealing veil / glamoring - Rya disguised as human / glamor - Frozen Needle thrusting sword / "When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers" -Jon to Arya - Varré's Bouquet Hammer / resembles a Weirwood - Godwyn half-dead in the Haligtree roots or corpses being entangled in Erdtree roots in burial chambers / Bloodraven half-dead in the weirwood roots - Giant Bat enemies, with Harpies singing to them in the old tongue (Latin), giant bat skull in Bloodraven's cave. black bat of Harrenhal. Whent/Lothston Bat sigil, said to have employed an army of giant bats - runes that grant power / runes of the first men - Black knife assassins / The Faceless men - phantom tortoises / "phantom tortoises have been seen carrying messages between the windowless houses on Warlock’s Way" -Dany V ACOK - shabriri "grapes" eaten by the blind to see the grace light / "And Blind Sybassion the Eater of Eyes can see again," -Dany V ACOK - Robert Strong (who I believe is headless) / the headless Mausoleum Knights. (Which could both be borrowed from sleepy hollow / headless horseman) - also Limgrave sounds like limb grave, tree limbs, a grave in a tree / the weirwoods - the blue barriers that prevent the use of spirit summons or force Torrent to disappear are similar to the ward of the Wall where cold hands can't pass the magic barrier much like Orell's eagle. - The Elder Brother (who could possibly be Ser Morgoth based on the description of both characters) / Margit and Morgott interesting tidbit from Tolkien about Morgoth. > Melkor is the most powerful of the Valar but he turns to darkness and is renamed Morgoth. When you fight Margit, the Fell Omen he is actually Morgott using a false title. When you fight him the final time he reveals he is actually Morgott, the Omen King. Not just a strong Omen, but a demigod. So if Ser Morgoth from ASOIAF is playing off of GRRM'S love for Tolkien by borrowing the name, then it stands to reason he would recycle this idea in Elden Ring. Thus the continuing theme of revealing a a true or new identity. Elder Bro = Morgoth? I believe it. Especially when you tie in the godly part as the elder brother is a holy man. Edit: the Faceless Men using skin for magic / the Godskin nobles and apostles using skin for magic
“This is the nature of war, whose stake is at once the game and the authority and the justification. Seen so, war is the truest form of divination. It is the testing of one's will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence. War is god.”-Cormac McCarthy This quote is running through my head whenever I play Elden Ring. Towards the end of the game when you fight Godfrey you can see the golden thread of grace ethereally binding him and the tarnished together, pulling them towards conflict where one will be selected.
3:11:10 I bet this was discussed but just in case, in Elden Ring there is a big battle where you fight Fia's champions. The arena is in a thicket of roots and she summons the warriors to confront you. This group can include the infamous Lionel , (who only ever appears in phantom form) and more importantly , *a sorcerer that you meet early game, who seemingly dies only to also appear as a root phatom as well...*
A long awaited video. Fun Elden Ring fact the Walls of Leyndell are actually taller then the Wall in ASOIF by about 100 feet more the only thing to breach them was a massive Dragon and if you thought ASOIF Dragons were big Elden Ring Dragons especially the older ones are even bigger. By the way 100% recommend you play Elden Ring, my tips as a long time player since 2022 in fact is level vigor to 60 ASAP no matter what, secondly treat every fight with caution things can kill you even if you think you'd actually be able to win without taking damage, third thing make full use of the craftable consumables it will save you a lot of headaches, also don't travel at night unless you are actively intended to because there are enemies that only come out at night and will wreck you. Also when you get into the world DON'T attack the Golden Horsemen or the first guy you meet both will kill you really quickly. Also if you do Co-Op prepare for invaders you have been warned That said this was my most wanted video for a while and hope for more like this again, I would recommend playing the game though the game's lore is best understood after a few playthroughs, heck I'd recommend watching BlueLizardJello who has two playthroughs in which he dives into everything from the lore of the game to things you can do in it, he is a Souls Veteran and can also give a lot of tips, he even has a tutorial series of Everything Elden Ring which will teach you to play. There is also MajorSlackGaming who is another Elden Ring content creator who is good at teaching you about how to handle various things and making good use of any number of things you'll find in the game.
Another thing that was not brought or briefly touched on was Radagon's imprisonment of Marika, not necessarily the Greater Will as most people have speculated they were abandoned by that god at this point. This fits in with the whole weirwood system "heart-tree" in conflict with itself perspective that I think David and Michael share. Radagon, (our Azor Ahai figure) does not want the player to supplant the Golden Order (Current weirdwood system), he wanted to stop Marika but was unable to until she dealt enough damage to herself because breaking the Elden Ring meant also shattering herself to give way to the new order. (this is the Nissa Nissa/Daenarys figure giving her literal life and the Elden Ring a more metaphysical/symbolic representation of life/cycle of life.)
Idk if anyone mentioned it but the one that locked the tree was Radagon not the greater will. Marika is one with radagon but it’s more like split personality. During the time Marika was shattering the ring he was wrestling with her for control but was not strong enough then.
The rune infused swords to kill gods reminds me of the barrow blades from LOTR. Crafted by dunedain smiths during the angmar wars to kill the Witch King. Buried and found by the hobbits, one of whom uses it to kill the Witch King on the Pellinor Fields. A hobbit using a Dunedain blade to exact revenge on their enemy a thousand years later. God i love fantasy books. Great stream, gentlemen
Commenting as I watch, so not sure if this gets mentioned, but Radagon marrying Renalla to bring the Carians under the Golden Order is very reminiscent of Daeron II marrying Myriah Martell to bring the Dornish under the Targaryens
Having the separate sets of children have names all starting with the same letter that matches one of their parents is actually a very Anglo-Saxon thing to do, so it makes things feel both ancient and English as you read them, even if you don't necessarily understand the connection between the names and that feeling.
Whenever I get sad about TWOW not being released yet, I remind myself that George has been out there working on Elden Ring lore, Blood and Fire, co-producing House of the Dragon, etc. and I truly think that these side projects are him searching for the inspiration he needs to write Winds, or for the spark of insight he needs to solve his current Myreenese knot he is working through. He hasn’t forgotten his fans, he’s just working on a huge, difficult project as a dedicated creative person.
ASOIAF is his magnum opus, and it's main story isn't even finished. The amount of plot threads to resolve, and pressure to do it well, must be horrifying. I don't blame him for putting it on hold or waiting for it to be just right
Baphomet is an expression of the same divine hermaphrodite archetype as Mercurias from Alchemy, which the Rebis is the attempted recreation of within the mythological metaphor of alchemical recipes, just representing different occult traditions
A few parallels and takeaways: The Others = The Old Gods = The Zamour Both describe lost moons that have been shattered and fall to earth. Elden Ring uses the the pieces for thrones and talismans, ASOIAF uses "Oily black stone" and fallen starts for statues, thrones & swords. The Zamour in generally could've had more lore in general. The second moon = The moon of Nokstella Dragons are from an outer god, The Greater Will, in Elden Ring, and in ASOIAF dragons are said to come from another moon. Fallen celestial bodies being the gateway for divine influence is a regularly occurring theme. Both have legends of men becoming dragon, either by consuming hearts or another ancient blood ritual in ASOIAF Faceless Men = Godskin Nobles The Godskins seek to bring death to the immortal, likewise; the Faceless Men believe all other gods to be false except death. The Nobles wear the skins if their victims for power, while the faces collected by the Faceless create actual glamours they can use. Glintstones = Glass Candles = Valyrian Steel Primeval Glintstone is said to contain the soul of the sorcerer who wields it after piercing their own heart. Glass candles are said to be able prolong ones life, presumably by sacrificing other's life. A long standing theory has been that the slaves sacrificed at the 14 Flames were the source for the magic that fueled the Valyrian Swords. The connection is Soul Manipulation. My fav: Jon = Ranni The promised hero who undo's the old, unfair order and embarks on a journey of peace supported by their friends. They both have cold swords, divine bloodlines, mysterious births. I also like to believe the end of ASOIAF, like Ranni, Jon will remove magic and the influence of the gods from the world to give the world a chance to be free. Post-Edit: Can't stop thinking about the white walkers having the name The Others, and Marika's line to Radagon, "You are yet to become me, yet to become a god, let us both be shattered, mine other self." The idea of Otherism, having an identical half that is separate from one's self, permeates both works.
Gutted I couldn’t catch this live but starting to watching it throughout my day here in the uk…. Thanks guys, been looking forward to this one for ages, long time fans of you and Michael, checked out Eldric in preparation for this and he’s awesome too!
Dave, I think this is your best hair, have been going back and watching old live streams, all the way from your long hair to skin head and I think you're currently at hair peak. Good for you man
Thank you for this. The Lands Between is my favorite fantasy setting because of the cooperation between Miyazaki, his team and George R.R. Martin. Experiencing the "game of thrones" between different outer gods and their vessels along with exploring all these different cultures, races, characters and their mythological references is so much fun. ASOIAF is my favorite book series and Dark Souls is among my favorite game series, so a mix of the two had a lot to live up to and it somehow did (and exceeded it).
@@robbfisher220 yes but I will say it’s a far more forgiving and generous game than dark souls. More rest spots, and less linear allowing the player to try more and find out their own way to play the game
@@robbfisher220 less archers in spots that shoot you off cliffs and ledges too which definitely made it way easier. Still a hard game but it’s definitely easier than the other souls games
Gods i wish i could have just been in a 4th seat to go "ahem, explain the mechanism of Erdtree Burial and rebirth. Include the Jars, the guardians of the Erdtree Roots, how Godfrey's death corrupted the network." I think the Others are the Green Men's attempt at immortality. I also think the children are the result of green men's marriage to the trees.
I'm a big fan of Dark Souls as well, so I might be able to give a quick retrospective and description of the art you brought up. It's worth bringing up on it's own merits because it's one of the coolest worlds ever invented for a video game. Dark Souls, in my opinion, is a a mythologization of the heat death of the universe as fantasy instead of sci fi, told through a fictional mythology/cosmology. The center of it all is Gwyn, this world's Zeus who is the god of entropy- he triumphed over the stone dragons who, as always in Miyazaki's worlds, represent the dinosaurs as a stand in for the pre-historic past that was stable and unchanging. Gwyn in particular was fond of fire and light, and he introduced energy into the world by tying it to a constantly burning flame that acted as the engine for the world in the 'Age of Fire', the era he brought about that defined itself by it's disparities, i.e. light and dark, life and death, hot and cold, male and female, where before everything was stony and grey and indistinct. However, as this is a story of heat death, this fire has reached the point where it's burning itself out and his world of disparities is collapsing in on itself, life and death start to blur together resulting in creatures like the player, an undying zombie human that is both alive and dead. And his latest child is a gender confused snake enby who is both male and female. The player in all three games is a prophecized hero called the Chosen Undead whose role is to tear down the edifices of the old order, empowering your soul by consuming the souls of others as you go, ultimately to the point where you can access the ever burning flame and sacrifice yourself, your own soul as fuel to keep it going longer. Or, to choose not to and enter a new age of 'dark', an age without gods or dragons or demons where humanity, beings that possess a tiny fragment of the dark soul, can rule. The guy in the painting is Artorias, one of Gwyn's champions who is a renowned hero that famously fell fighting the Abyss, which is a corruptive concentration of dark soul energy that overpowers everything it conquers. As he was dying deep underground, he protected his constant companion, Sif the wolf, allowing him to escape. He went on to loyally protect his masters grave for the rest of his life, right above the spot where he died. In the art, they're portrayed as Unkindled Ash, which are dead and buried Chosen Undead candidates who failed to link the flame, but were brought back to life in Dark Souls 3 for a second chance because the current Chosen Undead, who were born and bred for the purposes of sacrificial suicide in the flame, are refusing to do it. So the firekeepers are desperate to grab anyone they can find to kick the can down the road, and resort to bringing the failed second stringers back to life to try again. Unkindled Ash are basically fire wights reanimated by flame, all the bosses have flame powers, as depicted in the painting where Artorias and Sif are animated by it after they've been brought back to life. Lorewise probably not possible lol, because Artorias got too fucked up by the Abyss to be properly revived.
The Mesoamerican sun rebirth bit near the start of the stream reminds me of the fantasy / sci-fi series "Book of the New Sun" by Gene Wolfe. Martin has mentioned this series as inspiration a few times. Basically the main dude is a torturer (lol) who ends up (spoiler alert) becoming this god king kind of figure who goes to space to bring the new sun. It's a mind fuck in the best way. ASOIAF fans should check it out
By the way I am 93% certain that the reason Tyrion was sent into the sewers is due to him partly being inspired by Miles vorkosigan. Please look up the character please it’s genuinely a real thing nobody has mentioned before that I am convinced of
One small point that I think you might be interested in, there is an item, a blacksmith's hammer (symbolism) That explicitly States that Marika broke the elden ring and Radagon was trying to repair it. The into cinematic shows her hair switching from gold to red as they fight over her body. I bring it up because my interperetation is that Radagon loved Renalla, but he returned to Marika because it was his duty. Then when she breaks the ring, he cares more about his duty to the golden order than her. This reflects the 'duty vs love' between jon and dany, as well as Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa. So probably Azor is still trying to hold the Weirwood net together while she is trying to escape.
Another 🔥 stream! …Gaining new appreciation for the hours I sat as morale booster for friends launching ER & DS play throughs. Also really digging the clean-shaven to luxurious locks line up, good lookin’ out guys 😜
i wonder if bran the builder is in the wall. it is his blood that keeps the other out of the south. it would make sense. plus with tunnels it could connect to winterfell. that maybe the reason why they must always be a stark in winterfell.
This crossover of Elden Ring's ice and fire themes with ASOIAF lore is 🔥! GRRM’s influence really shines, especially in how both worlds explore the balance between ancient powers and the struggle for control. It’s like the Lands Between is a twisted reflection of Westeros! The lore depth is insane, and I love how every detail feels intentional. Imagine if future expansions dive even deeper into this!
The names of Hugin and Munin and Geri and Freki are.. weird Hugin and Munin BOTH mean 'memory/thought' and Geri and Freki BOTH means 'greedy'/misbehaven' It's an intentional word-jumble The significance of this is lost to time, sadly- but most scholors speculate it has something to do with the 'kenning'(poetic word-puns) of names: e.i. saying a pun instead of saying the actual names of things(for example The Gallow Rider' = Odin, or 'Whale Road' = the sea) - because actually naming them would be the same as calling them to you/ a curse of sorts A bit like old school monotheism, where you can't name or depict -God-, know his mind or see(imagine) his body
I have a few bullet points I would like to leave: 1. It didn't come up but would have been perfect for Michael is the fact that unwanted royal omen bairns aren't merely condemned to the sewers but are thrown down a well. That tracks *very* closely to one of his theories. 2. Eldric didn't bring it up but the Shattering pitted Radagon and Marika against each other with Marika trying to shatter the Elden Ring and Radagon trying the mend it. Perfect Azor Ahai / Nissa Nissa parallel. Bonus, Radagon's name is an anagram for 'A dragon'. 3. The lore around Shadowbound wolves is quite murky. Yes, Marika and Ranni have wolves but if Miquella and Malenia do then we never hear about them. No word on the Gloam-Eyed Queen's potential wolf either. 4. The Shadow of the Erdtree DLC expands and enriches the Lore and implications for ASOIAF quite a bit, especially in regards to how Marika became a God in the first place. If you guys do another of these lore summits hopefully Eldric can get further into it. 5. The hierarchy at the top of the cosmology is that there are Outer Gods (Lovecraftian Old Ones) who then choose an Empyrean to be their God in the Lands Between (the Spiritual power) and in turn the God of the Lands Between has an Elden Lord (the Temporal power). 6. I don't agree with Eldric that Godfrey and the Tarnished were banished into death. If you pay attention to the cinematic cut scene at the start of the game you will see a Deathbed Companion (Fia?) administering rites to Tarnished corpses to send them back to the Lands Between. Meaning wherever the Tarnished are they have to die in order to get sent back to the Lands Between.
I think part of the reason George agreed to do this was that he asked Miyazaki what aspects he liked and should be included and Miyazaki said “the trees” and that was a unique enough answer George just went for it
Been a while since I read the book so I might be misremembering some details, but I'm fairly sure there's a prequel novel in the Magic: the Gathering setting where a hyper advanced magical people have a flying station that gathers up white mana (magical energy from plains, open spaces, holy places, etc) and dumps all of it over the people's capital city, destroying everything before ascending into the sky to become a new moon for the planet. Wonder if the author was a fan of early ASOIF or the same myths that GRRM draws from, heh heh
The finger reader crones remind me of the children of the forest/wood's witches. Interpreting the will of the old gods, direction the blood line for the Prince.
Hey David! I'm a big elden ring fan (though the dlc kinda ruined the lore for me, ngl). I've always loved making my own ASOIAF comparisons within the game, and I also loooove the in game music. Just a fun little thing for me, Plasidusax's boss theme has some moments that resemble Daenerys' songs. I don't think there's any reason for it, but it's one of my favorite boss themes, and I think about it every time I listen to it. You should check it out!
I believe the outer gods and the plot of the game overall are a callback to GRRM's Dark Gods of Kor-Yuban ( Dreamsongs page 365) that he wrote for Cortana Magazine before they went out of print.
I can't believe I missed this! There are too many points to go over in just one comment, so I'll try to tackle the Marika and Radagon same being thing: Marika originally came from the people who worshiped the Fell Omen outer god, but betrayed them to set the foundation needed to establish her order, getting cursed by all her victims after her betrayal. She then discovered a way to mimic herself due to the blasphemous research done in the Eternal Cities by the Numen. So, after becoming the vessel for the Elden Ring, she cast out all her "impurities" that contained her Omen and cursed aspects and this became Radagon. Radagon acted under her orders as an entirely separate being with his own thoughts and personality, ie he hated his red hair and that all his children with Rennala inherited this trait. Radagon likely truly did love Rennala, but put duty above love and returned to Marika to breed and become one being. Radagon even works against Marika after she shatters the Elden Ring, you can see him trying to mend it right after Marika shatters it in the intro cinematic. Marika likely wanted to subvert the Greater Will in a long con game, but Radagon truly believed in the Golden Order and made sacrifice for it, too.
Imprisoned fire giant is literally Surtr. Not sure how it ties in with anything ASOIAF. Maybe there's fire giants in the ruins of Valyria? It can't really be Petyr (original colossus sigil) or the northern giants.
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Tarnished Archeologist would make a great guest to speak about Elden Ring and Dave could intuitively bridge the concepts that are mirrored in A Song of Ice and Fire. SmoughTown would also be an incredible guest. I have never heard another TH-camr go in depth about Elden Ring lore than SmoughTown. He essentially does what Dave does for A Song of Ice and Fire.
Tarnished archeologist would be the perfect combo with this
SmoughTown is even releasing an entire book based on Elden Ring lore, man is as dedicated as they come. He also seems super jolly, receptive and cooperative in the podcasts I've seen him in, so I think he'd make a wonderful guest in the future.
@@noamias4897I'm a viewer of both as they're excellent but I seriously love Smough and if he did something with LML, well... That would be something like Stannis Baratheon making friends with the Soul of Cinder and fighting the Night King as he rides on Midir the Darkeater in terms of how freaking awesome it would be
@ Stannis the mannis is the true Elden Lord
This stream was so well explained, especially for non-gamers. I knew absolutely nothing about Elden Ring, but the panel expertly peeled the very layered and rich material apart, then described the ASOIAF parallels. Perfect!
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Elden Ring is a masterpiece, and a huge achievement in the video game industry. Even if you don't play video games, I highly recommend you play it.
I've been waiting for baited breath since I found your channel for you to talk on GRRM's influence on the lore in ER seeing how deep you go on the books! Will be praising Garth to this one!
The 2 fingers and 3 fingers is all George. There’s a huge rabbit hole about the orthodox civil war with Christianity with regards to fingers. So much so that it was installed in the art. People holding up 3 or 2 fingers to signal what side of the conflict they were on. It was a bloody horrible time in Christian history that never gets taught. George is all about this type of history.
oh wow I had no idea
You're trying too hard to attribute absolutely everything to Martin's pen. By the 2nd and 3rd fingers there is a huge basis for Japanese folklore. And he's much more convincing than that.
It was everything I could have asked for: 3 hours long, 2 knowledgeable guests, deep lore corroborating theories ,name drops like Tarnished Archaeology. You're the man, David Lightbringer.
Ranni and Dany are also parallels because they both have a dragon, ranni fights hers to gain its respect
Yes, she's also a member of Radagon's family that was cast aside, she also wants to do things her way as opposed to sticking to the status quo...
A lot of parallels between the two.
as a huge ER lore nerd just starting this stream, oh boy
Elden ring and asoiaf are stories about love
between a rebellious moon woman (Ranni, Daenerys) that has a dragon (Adula, Drogon) and a black wolf man warrior(Blaidd, Jon). Will Jon like Blaidd chose love over a magical duty dictated by a higher power and die?
Black moon broke and white one survived.
Not sure if you'll get to it on this stream but it's definitely worth exploring the connection between godwyn/deathblight and the weirwoods; Godwyn's corpse, separated from its soul is entangled in the roots of the erdtree (a greenseer, not to mention godwyn is essentially a targaeryan), and is the source of the deathblight seen all over the lands between, a bit like the weirwood network. We're also told the souls of the 'dead' are absorbed into the erdtree network to be born again, so godwyn's deathblight can be seen as a corruption of the erdtree network, with him being a sort of unwilling greenseer invading that network.
I'd argue this is the most important topic to be brought up and discussed!
They were looking for squishers. Godwyn is squisher/deep-one like. After Godwyn's spirit is killed using the rune of death, his body becomes more like an ocean dwelling being. His lower half becomes a fish tail, his hands become webbed and clawed, his face becomes like a scallop
Awesome stream guys! Even from a non-gamer this was really full of a lot of symbols and parallels and you had a great outline to follow along with!
I had hoped the book-heads would be interested in this so I'm very pleased you liked it and I think if GRRM was watching the stream, he would be thrilled to see his readers get something out of his foray into video games.
I believe ER was the first time he contributed to a game and with the success it had, he thinks it was worth it
I spent some fraction of Dark Souls via my roommates 2nd, 3rd, and 4th characters, new game+, restart...watching like it was broadcast TV. Definitely bolstered my ability to actually follow along and not just wait for the overlaps to become apparent 😅
@@robbfisher220 that's great. I actually started watching my flatmate get wrecked over and over. Eventually i felt so bad for them i demanded the controller out of pity. Before long i got the 'click' where the timings make sense and it was love from them on!
Wow what a stream! Thanks for all your guys time!
The Mohg / Littlefinger parallel is interesting. Rejected by society. The formless mother = chaos (a ladder). Starting war for retribution (blood).
Rykard from Elden Ring is pretty much a one-to-one to Stannis. As “one-to-one” one can get. He’s also one of Miyazaki’s (game director) favourite George Martin characters written for Elden Ring, so I get the impression Martin had some fun with writing Rykard😅
- Rykard serves a royal family of siblings and parents who are much more respected than he, just as Stannis is with the Baratheons.
- He is expected to serve the Elden Throne(/Marika) as an inquisitor, just as how Stannis is expected to serve the realm on behalf of, and as, Robert sees fit.
- the realm of the Erdtree and Marika sends Rykard to claim hold over an ancient land called Mt. Gelmir, allowing more political control for Marika, just like how Stannis is entrusted with Dragonstone.
- Rykard eventually rebels against the Throne to claim it for himself, which drives many of the men of the Erdtree towards Rykards banner - as they see it an act of ambitious bravery instead of treachery, just as how Stannis rebels the Crown to claim it for himself - seen as an act of bravery.
- Rykard’s true intentions behind rebelling the crown is because he’s secretly being seduced by an ancient Serpentine-God, which uses black/dark/blasphemous magic to gain what he wants, just as how Stannis is seduced by - what they claim to be as - “the red woman” who too uses dark/prohibited magic to gain what Stannis wants
-the men of Rykard finds out the true nature of his ambitions (the seduction to dark magic), and they lose respect and leave him. Just as how the people around Stannis, who once respected his bravery, look down on him after finding out the true intentions behind his “rebellion”
EDIT: you should definitely have on ‘Jack is a Mimic’ at some point. He’s probably the only person, at his level, with the most respected knowledge of both Elden Ring and ASOIAF, simultaneously. He’ll have a lot more to say, a lot more in-depth with the ideas of Elden Ring, its characters, its events, themes and concepts, and how they all relate to and parallel with ASOIAF, giving indications on what exactly Martin means with Elden Ring, and how it may relate to Winds/Dreams
Great stream with great hosts! Was awesome to see a more ASOIAF side to Elden Ring, love you guys
That image of the armored warrior and the wolf is Artorias the Abysswalker, a legendary hero from Dark Souls, and his wolf companion Sif
This was such a great stream, best hours of my life
One thing that I could take from this stream is that you can always rely on a guy named H. Miyazaki to create amazing entertainment.
About the Stormlord/God being trapped. It could simply be like the Stark kings in the crypts: petrified greenseers. The Storm God being an ancient greenseer who might have wanted to take over (warging into hawks and such), and was struck down by other lords and then interred in the weirwood net to keep feeding the power of the old gods.
Some are speculative or a stretch, I know. And I'm sure there's more connections or similarities I'm missing, but this is what I found after 100%ing ER.
- The Red Comet or Bleeding Star or Mormont's Torch /the Blood Star which granted blood and fire thorn sorceries
- Limb grafting / what Qyburn possibly did to Gregor
- Stormveil / Storms End
- Mt. Gelmir, Volcano Manor / Valyria
- Raya Lucaria / either The Citadel or more likely Asshai or the Church of Starry Wisdom
- Starfall crater / Starfall in Dorne
- Swamp of Aeonia / possibly the swamps of the Neck
- The flooded area of Raya Lucaria / possibly the swamps of the neck
- Blaidd / Robb Stark's direwolf head sewn on his body
- Spirit callers / shadow binders
- Graven Mages or Graven Schools / the collective spirits of the weirwoods
- bewitching branch / Egg's sister Rhae's love potion or Maggi's love potions
- Ainsel underground river/ the rivers below Westeros in Bloodraven's cave and the cave the Arianne finds
- Dany's handmaid talking of two moons/Ranni's Darkmoon and Rennala's full moon
- Haligteee & the Golden Erd Tree/Weirwood & Blackbarked Trees in Qarth or Ebony and Weirwood being coupled together
- Glintstone colors red, green, blue/ the trident & fire (red) nature-balance (green) and blue (ice)
- red Glintstone described as crystalized blood from sacrifice / weirwood sap described as red and hard as ruby
- crystal tears coming from the Erd Tree / weirwood sap described as red and hard as ruby
- The icey Zamor warriors / The Others
- Blackflame sorcery / Blackfyre
- Concealing veil / glamoring
- Rya disguised as human / glamor
- Frozen Needle thrusting sword / "When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers" -Jon to Arya
- Varré's Bouquet Hammer / resembles a Weirwood
- Godwyn half-dead in the Haligtree roots or corpses being entangled in Erdtree roots in burial chambers / Bloodraven half-dead in the weirwood roots
- Giant Bat enemies, with Harpies singing to them in the old tongue (Latin), giant bat skull in Bloodraven's cave. black bat of Harrenhal. Whent/Lothston Bat sigil, said to have employed an army of giant bats
- runes that grant power / runes of the first men
- Black knife assassins / The Faceless men
- phantom tortoises / "phantom tortoises have been seen carrying messages between the windowless houses on Warlock’s Way" -Dany V ACOK
- shabriri "grapes" eaten by the blind to see the grace light / "And Blind Sybassion the Eater of Eyes can see again," -Dany V ACOK
- Robert Strong (who I believe is headless) / the headless Mausoleum Knights. (Which could both be borrowed from sleepy hollow / headless horseman)
- also Limgrave sounds like limb grave, tree limbs, a grave in a tree / the weirwoods
- the blue barriers that prevent the use of spirit summons or force Torrent to disappear are similar to the ward of the Wall where cold hands can't pass the magic barrier much like Orell's eagle.
- The Elder Brother (who could possibly be Ser Morgoth based on the description of both characters) / Margit and Morgott
interesting tidbit from Tolkien about Morgoth.
> Melkor is the most powerful of the Valar but he turns to darkness and is renamed Morgoth.
When you fight Margit, the Fell Omen he is actually Morgott using a false title. When you fight him the final time he reveals he is actually Morgott, the Omen King. Not just a strong Omen, but a demigod.
So if Ser Morgoth from ASOIAF is playing off of GRRM'S love for Tolkien by borrowing the name, then it stands to reason he would recycle this idea in Elden Ring. Thus the continuing theme of revealing a a true or new identity. Elder Bro = Morgoth? I believe it. Especially when you tie in the godly part as the elder brother is a holy man.
Edit: the Faceless Men using skin for magic / the Godskin nobles and apostles using skin for magic
“This is the nature of war, whose stake is at once the game and the authority and the justification. Seen so, war is the truest form of divination. It is the testing of one's will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence. War is god.”-Cormac McCarthy
This quote is running through my head whenever I play Elden Ring. Towards the end of the game when you fight Godfrey you can see the golden thread of grace ethereally binding him and the tarnished together, pulling them towards conflict where one will be selected.
3:11:10 I bet this was discussed but just in case, in Elden Ring there is a big battle where you fight Fia's champions. The arena is in a thicket of roots and she summons the warriors to confront you.
This group can include the infamous Lionel , (who only ever appears in phantom form) and more importantly , *a sorcerer that you meet early game, who seemingly dies only to also appear as a root phatom as well...*
A long awaited video. Fun Elden Ring fact the Walls of Leyndell are actually taller then the Wall in ASOIF by about 100 feet more the only thing to breach them was a massive Dragon and if you thought ASOIF Dragons were big Elden Ring Dragons especially the older ones are even bigger.
By the way 100% recommend you play Elden Ring, my tips as a long time player since 2022 in fact is level vigor to 60 ASAP no matter what, secondly treat every fight with caution things can kill you even if you think you'd actually be able to win without taking damage, third thing make full use of the craftable consumables it will save you a lot of headaches, also don't travel at night unless you are actively intended to because there are enemies that only come out at night and will wreck you. Also when you get into the world DON'T attack the Golden Horsemen or the first guy you meet both will kill you really quickly. Also if you do Co-Op prepare for invaders you have been warned
That said this was my most wanted video for a while and hope for more like this again, I would recommend playing the game though the game's lore is best understood after a few playthroughs, heck I'd recommend watching BlueLizardJello who has two playthroughs in which he dives into everything from the lore of the game to things you can do in it, he is a Souls Veteran and can also give a lot of tips, he even has a tutorial series of Everything Elden Ring which will teach you to play. There is also MajorSlackGaming who is another Elden Ring content creator who is good at teaching you about how to handle various things and making good use of any number of things you'll find in the game.
Another thing that was not brought or briefly touched on was Radagon's imprisonment of Marika, not necessarily the Greater Will as most people have speculated they were abandoned by that god at this point. This fits in with the whole weirwood system "heart-tree" in conflict with itself perspective that I think David and Michael share. Radagon, (our Azor Ahai figure) does not want the player to supplant the Golden Order (Current weirdwood system), he wanted to stop Marika but was unable to until she dealt enough damage to herself because breaking the Elden Ring meant also shattering herself to give way to the new order. (this is the Nissa Nissa/Daenarys figure giving her literal life and the Elden Ring a more metaphysical/symbolic representation of life/cycle of life.)
Idk if anyone mentioned it but the one that locked the tree was Radagon not the greater will. Marika is one with radagon but it’s more like split personality. During the time Marika was shattering the ring he was wrestling with her for control but was not strong enough then.
That's the thing, no one was there to actually confirm that.
It's more like "legend says". 😊
The rune infused swords to kill gods reminds me of the barrow blades from LOTR. Crafted by dunedain smiths during the angmar wars to kill the Witch King. Buried and found by the hobbits, one of whom uses it to kill the Witch King on the Pellinor Fields. A hobbit using a Dunedain blade to exact revenge on their enemy a thousand years later. God i love fantasy books. Great stream, gentlemen
Commenting as I watch, so not sure if this gets mentioned, but Radagon marrying Renalla to bring the Carians under the Golden Order is very reminiscent of Daeron II marrying Myriah Martell to bring the Dornish under the Targaryens
Having the separate sets of children have names all starting with the same letter that matches one of their parents is actually a very Anglo-Saxon thing to do, so it makes things feel both ancient and English as you read them, even if you don't necessarily understand the connection between the names and that feeling.
Whenever I get sad about TWOW not being released yet, I remind myself that George has been out there working on Elden Ring lore, Blood and Fire, co-producing House of the Dragon, etc. and I truly think that these side projects are him searching for the inspiration he needs to write Winds, or for the spark of insight he needs to solve his current Myreenese knot he is working through. He hasn’t forgotten his fans, he’s just working on a huge, difficult project as a dedicated creative person.
ASOIAF is his magnum opus, and it's main story isn't even finished. The amount of plot threads to resolve, and pressure to do it well, must be horrifying. I don't blame him for putting it on hold or waiting for it to be just right
Baphomet is an expression of the same divine hermaphrodite archetype as Mercurias from Alchemy, which the Rebis is the attempted recreation of within the mythological metaphor of alchemical recipes, just representing different occult traditions
THIS WAS SUCH A GOOD STREAM
Need part 2!!!!
A few parallels and takeaways:
The Others = The Old Gods = The Zamour
Both describe lost moons that have been shattered and fall to earth. Elden Ring uses the the pieces for thrones and talismans, ASOIAF uses "Oily black stone" and fallen starts for statues, thrones & swords. The Zamour in generally could've had more lore in general.
The second moon = The moon of Nokstella
Dragons are from an outer god, The Greater Will, in Elden Ring, and in ASOIAF dragons are said to come from another moon. Fallen celestial bodies being the gateway for divine influence is a regularly occurring theme. Both have legends of men becoming dragon, either by consuming hearts or another ancient blood ritual in ASOIAF
Faceless Men = Godskin Nobles
The Godskins seek to bring death to the immortal, likewise; the Faceless Men believe all other gods to be false except death. The Nobles wear the skins if their victims for power, while the faces collected by the Faceless create actual glamours they can use.
Glintstones = Glass Candles = Valyrian Steel
Primeval Glintstone is said to contain the soul of the sorcerer who wields it after piercing their own heart. Glass candles are said to be able prolong ones life, presumably by sacrificing other's life. A long standing theory has been that the slaves sacrificed at the 14 Flames were the source for the magic that fueled the Valyrian Swords. The connection is Soul Manipulation.
My fav: Jon = Ranni
The promised hero who undo's the old, unfair order and embarks on a journey of peace supported by their friends. They both have cold swords, divine bloodlines, mysterious births. I also like to believe the end of ASOIAF, like Ranni, Jon will remove magic and the influence of the gods from the world to give the world a chance to be free.
Post-Edit: Can't stop thinking about the white walkers having the name The Others, and Marika's line to Radagon, "You are yet to become me, yet to become a god, let us both be shattered, mine other self." The idea of Otherism, having an identical half that is separate from one's self, permeates both works.
Rainni is Dany not jon
Gutted I couldn’t catch this live but starting to watching it throughout my day here in the uk…. Thanks guys, been looking forward to this one for ages, long time fans of you and Michael, checked out Eldric in preparation for this and he’s awesome too!
What a crossover glad to see Michael Talks About Stuff everyone should watch his wall video
Great stream. Love both these pieces of fiction. And ready for the next vid🫡
Dave, I think this is your best hair, have been going back and watching old live streams, all the way from your long hair to skin head and I think you're currently at hair peak. Good for you man
hahah thank you!
Eldrick being asked if he believes in the theory that made his name and casually responding “definitely feels that way” 😂😂
Thank you for this. The Lands Between is my favorite fantasy setting because of the cooperation between Miyazaki, his team and George R.R. Martin. Experiencing the "game of thrones" between different outer gods and their vessels along with exploring all these different cultures, races, characters and their mythological references is so much fun.
ASOIAF is my favorite book series and Dark Souls is among my favorite game series, so a mix of the two had a lot to live up to and it somehow did (and exceeded it).
❤Great stream guys. Ive never played Elden Ring but i might now.
You absolutely should, and while it starts hard as long as you keep playing the game gets easier to follow, it’s very methodical
@@LionOfGondor sounds like Dark Souls, frustratingly (at first) impeccable mechanics
@@robbfisher220 yes but I will say it’s a far more forgiving and generous game than dark souls. More rest spots, and less linear allowing the player to try more and find out their own way to play the game
@@robbfisher220 less archers in spots that shoot you off cliffs and ledges too which definitely made it way easier. Still a hard game but it’s definitely easier than the other souls games
Was it Set's temple? With the crossbeams and pendulous axe-blades? Stuffed full of them "where tf?!?" archers👎
Gods i wish i could have just been in a 4th seat to go "ahem, explain the mechanism of Erdtree Burial and rebirth. Include the Jars, the guardians of the Erdtree Roots, how Godfrey's death corrupted the network."
I think the Others are the Green Men's attempt at immortality. I also think the children are the result of green men's marriage to the trees.
can you explain that last part?
I'm a big fan of Dark Souls as well, so I might be able to give a quick retrospective and description of the art you brought up. It's worth bringing up on it's own merits because it's one of the coolest worlds ever invented for a video game. Dark Souls, in my opinion, is a a mythologization of the heat death of the universe as fantasy instead of sci fi, told through a fictional mythology/cosmology. The center of it all is Gwyn, this world's Zeus who is the god of entropy- he triumphed over the stone dragons who, as always in Miyazaki's worlds, represent the dinosaurs as a stand in for the pre-historic past that was stable and unchanging. Gwyn in particular was fond of fire and light, and he introduced energy into the world by tying it to a constantly burning flame that acted as the engine for the world in the 'Age of Fire', the era he brought about that defined itself by it's disparities, i.e. light and dark, life and death, hot and cold, male and female, where before everything was stony and grey and indistinct. However, as this is a story of heat death, this fire has reached the point where it's burning itself out and his world of disparities is collapsing in on itself, life and death start to blur together resulting in creatures like the player, an undying zombie human that is both alive and dead. And his latest child is a gender confused snake enby who is both male and female.
The player in all three games is a prophecized hero called the Chosen Undead whose role is to tear down the edifices of the old order, empowering your soul by consuming the souls of others as you go, ultimately to the point where you can access the ever burning flame and sacrifice yourself, your own soul as fuel to keep it going longer. Or, to choose not to and enter a new age of 'dark', an age without gods or dragons or demons where humanity, beings that possess a tiny fragment of the dark soul, can rule.
The guy in the painting is Artorias, one of Gwyn's champions who is a renowned hero that famously fell fighting the Abyss, which is a corruptive concentration of dark soul energy that overpowers everything it conquers. As he was dying deep underground, he protected his constant companion, Sif the wolf, allowing him to escape. He went on to loyally protect his masters grave for the rest of his life, right above the spot where he died. In the art, they're portrayed as Unkindled Ash, which are dead and buried Chosen Undead candidates who failed to link the flame, but were brought back to life in Dark Souls 3 for a second chance because the current Chosen Undead, who were born and bred for the purposes of sacrificial suicide in the flame, are refusing to do it. So the firekeepers are desperate to grab anyone they can find to kick the can down the road, and resort to bringing the failed second stringers back to life to try again. Unkindled Ash are basically fire wights reanimated by flame, all the bosses have flame powers, as depicted in the painting where Artorias and Sif are animated by it after they've been brought back to life. Lorewise probably not possible lol, because Artorias got too fucked up by the Abyss to be properly revived.
Awesome stream guys, one of the best games ever made
This could be 5 to 10 episodes
Greatest game to ever hit the gaming industry alongside RDR2. As well as peak quality gaming. Undisputable.
The Mesoamerican sun rebirth bit near the start of the stream reminds me of the fantasy / sci-fi series "Book of the New Sun" by Gene Wolfe. Martin has mentioned this series as inspiration a few times. Basically the main dude is a torturer (lol) who ends up (spoiler alert) becoming this god king kind of figure who goes to space to bring the new sun. It's a mind fuck in the best way. ASOIAF fans should check it out
For the 'Bringing of Light'!!
Just like the fabled blade, our Lightbringer is sharp and inspires great deeds in those who witness it
As someone just making his way through Crumbling Farum Azula now, this long awaited stream has come at the perfect time
I definitely would love a part 2
Dave you should do a Timeline Heresy Lore Summit, for a buzzword combo episode 😁
haha I like the way you think
@@DavidLightbringer I do legit think about Timeline Heresy... more than I probably should
David's braingasm when he heard that Marika and Radagon are the same person is EVERYTHING
By the way I am 93% certain that the reason Tyrion was sent into the sewers is due to him partly being inspired by Miles vorkosigan. Please look up the character please it’s genuinely a real thing nobody has mentioned before that I am convinced of
One small point that I think you might be interested in, there is an item, a blacksmith's hammer (symbolism) That explicitly States that Marika broke the elden ring and Radagon was trying to repair it. The into cinematic shows her hair switching from gold to red as they fight over her body. I bring it up because my interperetation is that Radagon loved Renalla, but he returned to Marika because it was his duty. Then when she breaks the ring, he cares more about his duty to the golden order than her. This reflects the 'duty vs love' between jon and dany, as well as Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa. So probably Azor is still trying to hold the Weirwood net together while she is trying to escape.
DL is all my friends why I excitedly dump Elden Ring lore, "That's cool man." :D
Another 🔥 stream! …Gaining new appreciation for the hours I sat as morale booster for friends launching ER & DS play throughs.
Also really digging the clean-shaven to luxurious locks line up, good lookin’ out guys 😜
The Dark Souls art by Steve Kekai at 1:44:17 is Knight Artorias the Abysswalker and his companion wolf Sif (bosses in Dark Souls)
Been looking forward to this. Easily could’ve been a 2 part stream, but it was very much enjoyed!
i wonder if bran the builder is in the wall. it is his blood that keeps the other out of the south. it would make sense. plus with tunnels it could connect to winterfell. that maybe the reason why they must always be a stark in winterfell.
The three best asoiaf theorists. One hell of a myth hit. Thanks
“I like moon queens. by the way.” It is freakin’ known! Need this on a thermos or somesuch. Praise Garth if you like moon queens bumper sticker?
This crossover of Elden Ring's ice and fire themes with ASOIAF lore is 🔥! GRRM’s influence really shines, especially in how both worlds explore the balance between ancient powers and the struggle for control. It’s like the Lands Between is a twisted reflection of Westeros! The lore depth is insane, and I love how every detail feels intentional. Imagine if future expansions dive even deeper into this!
Execllent stuff! Been waiting for something like this for years. Loved the genuine reaction from hardcore GRRM fans.
I’m not gamer at all but I watch all 3 of these guys channels.
Dunk reached out with a long wooden finger while jousting, if memory serves.
Please do another part of this! Love Elden Ring and ASOIAF so this was easy listening!
Amazing stream! What an awesome team🎉
Omg I've been waiting so long for this!!!
Great steam! I haven't played elden ring but was curious about George's influence and any connections. U guys covered a lot and got me thinking
Ill be forever waiting for Michaelsingsaboutstuff to appear.
FINALLY ive been waiting for u to talk about elden ring !!! I noticed so many similarities from Elden Ring and AGOT mythology and such
Huh I wonder why.... 🤣
Ranni the snow witch sitting in front of her slain, carved, White Two Fingers is Hella Night's Queen in front of a Weirwood, freeing herself
Dude, three of my four favorite channels for a song of ice and fire! (Need some Greywaste Tim)
please please make a second part of this! I want to know what else is on that timeline!
The names of Hugin and Munin and Geri and Freki are.. weird
Hugin and Munin BOTH mean 'memory/thought' and Geri and Freki BOTH means 'greedy'/misbehaven'
It's an intentional word-jumble
The significance of this is lost to time, sadly- but most scholors speculate it has something to do with the 'kenning'(poetic word-puns) of names: e.i. saying a pun instead of saying the actual names of things(for example The Gallow Rider' = Odin, or 'Whale Road' = the sea) - because actually naming them would be the same as calling them to you/ a curse of sorts
A bit like old school monotheism, where you can't name or depict -God-, know his mind or see(imagine) his body
2:58:19 in relation to brans attempted assassination. It happens twice too! With Theon. And winter is completely destroyed not long after. Good point!
I have a few bullet points I would like to leave:
1. It didn't come up but would have been perfect for Michael is the fact that unwanted royal omen bairns aren't merely condemned to the sewers but are thrown down a well. That tracks *very* closely to one of his theories.
2. Eldric didn't bring it up but the Shattering pitted Radagon and Marika against each other with Marika trying to shatter the Elden Ring and Radagon trying the mend it. Perfect Azor Ahai / Nissa Nissa parallel. Bonus, Radagon's name is an anagram for 'A dragon'.
3. The lore around Shadowbound wolves is quite murky. Yes, Marika and Ranni have wolves but if Miquella and Malenia do then we never hear about them. No word on the Gloam-Eyed Queen's potential wolf either.
4. The Shadow of the Erdtree DLC expands and enriches the Lore and implications for ASOIAF quite a bit, especially in regards to how Marika became a God in the first place. If you guys do another of these lore summits hopefully Eldric can get further into it.
5. The hierarchy at the top of the cosmology is that there are Outer Gods (Lovecraftian Old Ones) who then choose an Empyrean to be their God in the Lands Between (the Spiritual power) and in turn the God of the Lands Between has an Elden Lord (the Temporal power).
6. I don't agree with Eldric that Godfrey and the Tarnished were banished into death. If you pay attention to the cinematic cut scene at the start of the game you will see a Deathbed Companion (Fia?) administering rites to Tarnished corpses to send them back to the Lands Between. Meaning wherever the Tarnished are they have to die in order to get sent back to the Lands Between.
I think part of the reason George agreed to do this was that he asked Miyazaki what aspects he liked and should be included and Miyazaki said “the trees” and that was a unique enough answer George just went for it
Been waiting for this one! Just finished the DLC too, good stuff 👍
Stellar stream!
Been a while since I read the book so I might be misremembering some details, but I'm fairly sure there's a prequel novel in the Magic: the Gathering setting where a hyper advanced magical people have a flying station that gathers up white mana (magical energy from plains, open spaces, holy places, etc) and dumps all of it over the people's capital city, destroying everything before ascending into the sky to become a new moon for the planet. Wonder if the author was a fan of early ASOIF or the same myths that GRRM draws from, heh heh
The Prince of Death dead underneath the Erdtree is the closet thing to a Quisher that I've seen, and he's HUGE
The finger reader crones remind me of the children of the forest/wood's witches. Interpreting the will of the old gods, direction the blood line for the Prince.
Sharing the Grace
“Three white guys” lol. 😂 Great topic! So excited.
Elden Ring lore is the deepest lore of any 1 game ever made.
Hey David! I'm a big elden ring fan (though the dlc kinda ruined the lore for me, ngl). I've always loved making my own ASOIAF comparisons within the game, and I also loooove the in game music. Just a fun little thing for me, Plasidusax's boss theme has some moments that resemble Daenerys' songs. I don't think there's any reason for it, but it's one of my favorite boss themes, and I think about it every time I listen to it. You should check it out!
I believe the outer gods and the plot of the game overall are a callback to GRRM's Dark Gods of Kor-Yuban ( Dreamsongs page 365) that he wrote for Cortana Magazine before they went out of print.
fantastic stream, robb stark shadowbound wolf!
I'm still waiting on part two of this! 😂
I can't believe I missed this! There are too many points to go over in just one comment, so I'll try to tackle the Marika and Radagon same being thing:
Marika originally came from the people who worshiped the Fell Omen outer god, but betrayed them to set the foundation needed to establish her order, getting cursed by all her victims after her betrayal. She then discovered a way to mimic herself due to the blasphemous research done in the Eternal Cities by the Numen. So, after becoming the vessel for the Elden Ring, she cast out all her "impurities" that contained her Omen and cursed aspects and this became Radagon. Radagon acted under her orders as an entirely separate being with his own thoughts and personality, ie he hated his red hair and that all his children with Rennala inherited this trait. Radagon likely truly did love Rennala, but put duty above love and returned to Marika to breed and become one being. Radagon even works against Marika after she shatters the Elden Ring, you can see him trying to mend it right after Marika shatters it in the intro cinematic. Marika likely wanted to subvert the Greater Will in a long con game, but Radagon truly believed in the Golden Order and made sacrifice for it, too.
Great steam you guys!!!
Great video!
Imprisoned fire giant is literally Surtr. Not sure how it ties in with anything ASOIAF. Maybe there's fire giants in the ruins of Valyria? It can't really be Petyr (original colossus sigil) or the northern giants.
Sutr in ASOIAF is either sleeping Azor Ahai in the wwnet or reborn Jon
Great stream. Awesome team up.
Fans wondering why sansa isn't really doing any warging
"BRAN STARK DID THIS IN A CAVE!!!! WITH A BUNCH OF TREEES!!"
I do wanna go for days ! 😁✨️✨️ And I watched Dark 🖤
I'm very curyios about what a stream with Preston Jacobs, RedTeamReview and TreytheExplorer would look like
Thaaaaaaank you.
Excellent stream!
I’ve always heard GOT influenced dragon music during the Placidusax battle.
The stream that was promised!!! ❤❤❤