I'm not a competitor, own both of these and a Shadow2. My indoor range toys. The Sig, for the money, strikes the right balance of fun range gun, target pistol, home defense and a great gun for teaching new shooters. Lucky me, I bought it when it was well under a grand and it would be the last to go if I thinned the collection.
Solid advice! My journey was similar: started in limited and had a bunch of different guns, moved to CO and started with fully loaded Tanfo’s by a very well known gunsmith, eventually moved from Tanfo to sig p320 x5 legion. I like the legion as it was hard for me to work the double action trigger since I grew up on single action. The sig I have is fully worked and custom milled for an specific optic. Great gun, I have 3 of them, and I won’t sell them. Plus I can put thousands of rounds through it and don’t have to clean it.
Great info/wisdom. Thanks! I'm a CZ guy and have an LTT Elite RDO on its way for something different to try. I've been eyeing up an A01-LD OR as.my next indulgence. I'll have to try an X5 too.
You know how much I love my sigs. I would like to try a cz just to see how it feels. I went to my first lesson with frank and shot a glock 17 too. He said I was terrible...lol...handed me an x5 with a dot and have never gone back. And for your friends question....I now have 210,000 rounds on my three sigs and not a single break or failure.
Interesting question.. your answers made me think of a question, but first, I must give some context (by writing a novel). I have mentioned that my mission is PRS, but I do what to give 2 and 3 gun competitions a few tries. I am not worried about coming in first place, as that would likely never happen as my newly found passion is in the direction of PRS. With that said, I have spent the majority of my life while playing with my hobby's, what ever they have been, and there has been allot of them, always trying to make something do more then it was ever designed to do. For some strange and odd reason, I get my kicks that way. Back some 20 years on back, I used to drag race, and sure, I played with the V-8's and even a few super chargers, a old school Roots blower, sure, that was fun, but where I thrived was taking 1983 to 1988 Ford Thunderbird Turbo coupes with the 4 cyl 2.3 ltr turbo charged engines and spending a few weeks in the machine shop after hours hogging away anything that wasn't needed, or stream lining the flow rates, to machining my own heads, (only to find out later, I could have just purchased them, DUH!!!).. Hacking the unified chassis to ditch the solid rear axle, so I could install independent rear suspension on. Always making things harder on myself, but still ultimately, making something do a job, it was never designed to do. With that novel stated.. The pistol I intend on running in my couple 2/3 gun competitions, is a BERSA PRO X 9mm. It is another example of me trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear scenario. This unit is BERSA's highest line, but no where near the lowest line of what you as the professionals run, but I am still gonna do it, and I am gonna love it. I fully understand, the ideals of you can have fun with any toy, but if you want to win, it really does help to have the best toys or something from the best toy series. Finally, the question at hand, ((((Have you tried to play with any odd ball pistols at your competitions)))) , or is that too high stakes and would be money wasted. I know this BERSA will not help me much, even though, I know I need all the help I can get, but, I can't seem to break away from my nature to do oddball toys.. By my 8th to 10th V-8, I was bored, LOL.. Although I loved the body design of the 83 to 88, pumping 700 H out of a 4 cyl engine was kinda a dare and as a joke, then I got hooked on big HP out of small packages. Something tells me, gun competitions are not like drag racing.. LOL... I don't know, but, I will soon find out. That was a fun question that one of your other viewers asked, and based on how you answered that. Which is best, when you have several "BEST's" on your desk. well, either way, Me and my Ol-Cheap-O BERSA PRO X 9 are gonna have fun giving the field all she got, (last place) but still, all she got.
Very cool story and I totally get it, the quest if you will. To answer your question, I only jump around to see if I want to upgrade comp guns BUT a Lot of people shoot matches for fun and bring all kinds of stuff to shoot, some match directors are even allowing 22's but you can't score sometimes, just for fun! Really that is what we are all in it for~
Thank you for your thoughts on the X5 and CZC. I believe your answers are spot on for me and agree with your ranking the two. I have not put near the number of rounds though the CZC that I have the X5 at this point. Just based on parts, cost, and the "easy, easy, easy,,, " of the X5 is very attractive. I need to take a look at your load data. Currently, I am running a 135gr TC Blue Bullets with PF Average of 130.
I run at 130pf on all my different loads, I like 125tc, 115rn, both Blue bullets. I run the 12lb spring. I tell people just shoot the Legal load that makes the dot act like you want it to with your grip
@@PopsQuest I have run minor in all my USPSA shooting as well. Are there rules on bullet weight? Am I ok using the 135gr? I heard somewhere that 124gr is native to 9mm - not sure that's true or not. If so, you're on the money with 125gr. I use the 12lbs spring as well with no problems.
Great advice but and it’s a but. I’ll stick with cz for totally different reasons unfortunately. In South Africa a gun license takes about a year. Every part, barrel and frame are registered. Hence to make a boo boo on frame you can’t pop down to your local gun shop and pick up a new frame. A new application needs to be done. Parts are the next hiccup as sig really don’t have a great support structure in aftermarket parts as cz you can change internals as much as you want without the licence rubbish. Americans have (not all) no idea how important that 2nd amendment is. As soon as registration and licensing get pushed it kills a fantastic sport unfortunately. We certainly not the guys robbing and doing nefarious stuff. Great channel and please keep up the great work you do on so many levels. (Shooting, being positive, helping other, weight and diet and I probably left out a few)
If I ever go down the CO path I would likely outfit my SP01 bull shadow for a dot. It may be a while though as I'm leaning towards a trying open and a Chaos first ... and I still digging Limited.
I sadly (only because I have a VERY nice tanfo stock 2) have to agree with you. I'm currently debating on just building a legion and enjoying the simple striker trigger. I just cant get behind the DA/SA. And mine is at 5lb/2.2lb
Thanks for the comparison and honest opinions. On the A01-LD did you have any reliability issues? Some people have complained of feed issues or stovepiping. Just curious if you ran into anything similar.
Great video! My first couple matches I shot my LTT, I started practicing with Bald&Curious and he let me shoot his x5 legion a few times during practice. Love love love my x5 legion put a red dot on it hopefully I can buy primers so u can practice more
is the tungsten guide rod and plug worth the money, just picked up my legion and trying to get it perfect, just got C class in carry optics ......Im totally hooked......thanks.
If you think you are hooked, I would buy a backup gun first then pimp out the main gun, YES the tungsten is worth it, will fit primary and backup gun, welcome to the addiction!
It's a Barsto barrel but I only got it because it was threaded for a comp when I did the Open gun experiment, the barrel that came with the gun is just fine in my opinion
Good feedback and insight there, Pops. Interested in your plans you had mentioned previously in setting up one of your Legion pistols to play in Open or for Open 3Gun. Planning to focus and stick with Carry Optics only for the foreseeable future? For me personally, the only other division I can see myself shooting anymore besides Carry Optics would be going back to Open. 😁 #dotlife #thisistheway
I might shoot that configuration for 2-gun Nationals, the major ammo that I was testing then won't help me with the type of scoring they have planned but the comp may allow for faster follow up shots. I have my Chaos for sale now, I may not ever go back to open! Never say never LOL
Pops I know you’re not a big IDPA shooter but! What do you think about them not letting an atlas Athena in Carry optics but they will let the X5 legion in? I mean allegiant has a 5 inch bull barrel based on what Sig said in an advertisement I saw a while back. Atlas is only 4.6 inches long! They say you can’t have a bull barrel over 4 1/4 inches but they let the Legion in and not the atlas why?
I wish I could give my opinion, but I don't have any idea how idpa makes their rules. I knbow uspsa makes rule changes all the time. Single action triggers being allowed in CO was discussed at this last meeting and they did not make the rule change. I need to go to an idpa match just to check it out on an off weekend and take my carry gun
If I was going to shoot C/O it would be with a CZ or and X5 coming from 2011's only thing against the sigs I've seen is alot of bent ejectors from over inserting mags, anyone else seeing this ?
@@PopsQuest OK thank you I have been using the Delta point for about the last year and a 1/2 now and I still feel like I don't pick it up quick enough so pretty much anything under about 8 yd I point and shoot after that then I use the dot Also using the X5 legion as my favorite gun. Haven't tried the see more yet maybe that's my next investment lol I have about 5 optics now as I can see you do also. LOL! oh yes, are u using a mount kit with the sts c more?
Thanks for the breakdown, good to see your thought process.
I'm not a competitor, own both of these and a Shadow2. My indoor range toys. The Sig, for the money, strikes the right balance of fun range gun, target pistol, home defense and a great gun for teaching new shooters. Lucky me, I bought it when it was well under a grand and it would be the last to go if I thinned the collection.
Thanks for the candid comment, I’ve been running the same x5 as you from the get go. Hard to make a move to a different gun, it’s just that good.
Yep!
Solid advice!
My journey was similar: started in limited and had a bunch of different guns, moved to CO and started with fully loaded Tanfo’s by a very well known gunsmith, eventually moved from Tanfo to sig p320 x5 legion. I like the legion as it was hard for me to work the double action trigger since I grew up on single action. The sig I have is fully worked and custom milled for an specific optic. Great gun, I have 3 of them, and I won’t sell them. Plus I can put thousands of rounds through it and don’t have to clean it.
Yep, it's something I wish I had just stuck with from the get
Reasonably priced, the good old days👍🍻
Great info/wisdom. Thanks! I'm a CZ guy and have an LTT Elite RDO on its way for something different to try. I've been eyeing up an A01-LD OR as.my next indulgence. I'll have to try an X5 too.
Can you tell me about the gas pedal you have on your A01-LD?
You know how much I love my sigs. I would like to try a cz just to see how it feels. I went to my first lesson with frank and shot a glock 17 too. He said I was terrible...lol...handed me an x5 with a dot and have never gone back. And for your friends question....I now have 210,000 rounds on my three sigs and not a single break or failure.
Interesting question.. your answers made me think of a question, but first, I must give some context (by writing a novel). I have mentioned that my mission is PRS, but I do what to give 2 and 3 gun competitions a few tries. I am not worried about coming in first place, as that would likely never happen as my newly found passion is in the direction of PRS. With that said, I have spent the majority of my life while playing with my hobby's, what ever they have been, and there has been allot of them, always trying to make something do more then it was ever designed to do. For some strange and odd reason, I get my kicks that way. Back some 20 years on back, I used to drag race, and sure, I played with the V-8's and even a few super chargers, a old school Roots blower, sure, that was fun, but where I thrived was taking 1983 to 1988 Ford Thunderbird Turbo coupes with the 4 cyl 2.3 ltr turbo charged engines and spending a few weeks in the machine shop after hours hogging away anything that wasn't needed, or stream lining the flow rates, to machining my own heads, (only to find out later, I could have just purchased them, DUH!!!).. Hacking the unified chassis to ditch the solid rear axle, so I could install independent rear suspension on. Always making things harder on myself, but still ultimately, making something do a job, it was never designed to do.
With that novel stated.. The pistol I intend on running in my couple 2/3 gun competitions, is a BERSA PRO X 9mm. It is another example of me trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear scenario. This unit is BERSA's highest line, but no where near the lowest line of what you as the professionals run, but I am still gonna do it, and I am gonna love it. I fully understand, the ideals of you can have fun with any toy, but if you want to win, it really does help to have the best toys or something from the best toy series.
Finally, the question at hand, ((((Have you tried to play with any odd ball pistols at your competitions)))) , or is that too high stakes and would be money wasted. I know this BERSA will not help me much, even though, I know I need all the help I can get, but, I can't seem to break away from my nature to do oddball toys.. By my 8th to 10th V-8, I was bored, LOL.. Although I loved the body design of the 83 to 88, pumping 700 H out of a 4 cyl engine was kinda a dare and as a joke, then I got hooked on big HP out of small packages. Something tells me, gun competitions are not like drag racing.. LOL... I don't know, but, I will soon find out.
That was a fun question that one of your other viewers asked, and based on how you answered that. Which is best, when you have several "BEST's" on your desk. well, either way, Me and my Ol-Cheap-O BERSA PRO X 9 are gonna have fun giving the field all she got, (last place) but still, all she got.
Very cool story and I totally get it, the quest if you will. To answer your question, I only jump around to see if I want to upgrade comp guns BUT a Lot of people shoot matches for fun and bring all kinds of stuff to shoot, some match directors are even allowing 22's but you can't score sometimes, just for fun! Really that is what we are all in it for~
Thank you for your thoughts on the X5 and CZC. I believe your answers are spot on for me and agree with your ranking the two. I have not put near the number of rounds though the CZC that I have the X5 at this point. Just based on parts, cost, and the "easy, easy, easy,,, " of the X5 is very attractive. I need to take a look at your load data. Currently, I am running a 135gr TC Blue Bullets with PF Average of 130.
I run at 130pf on all my different loads, I like 125tc, 115rn, both Blue bullets. I run the 12lb spring. I tell people just shoot the Legal load that makes the dot act like you want it to with your grip
@@PopsQuest I have run minor in all my USPSA shooting as well. Are there rules on bullet weight? Am I ok using the 135gr? I heard somewhere that 124gr is native to 9mm - not sure that's true or not. If so, you're on the money with 125gr. I use the 12lbs spring as well with no problems.
@@Clan0fGun No restrictions on bullet weight just need to make anything above minor PF to score
I here ya Pops, and I’m glad you swayed me from the S2 to the X5. That said, my S2 will be with me forever & probably the Sig also.😉
I would love to try the Bullesteros. Great info thanks.
I would be happy to let you try it out at a match!
Great advice but and it’s a but. I’ll stick with cz for totally different reasons unfortunately. In South Africa a gun license takes about a year. Every part, barrel and frame are registered. Hence to make a boo boo on frame you can’t pop down to your local gun shop and pick up a new frame. A new application needs to be done. Parts are the next hiccup as sig really don’t have a great support structure in aftermarket parts as cz you can change internals as much as you want without the licence rubbish. Americans have (not all) no idea how important that 2nd amendment is. As soon as registration and licensing get pushed it kills a fantastic sport unfortunately. We certainly not the guys robbing and doing nefarious stuff. Great channel and please keep up the great work you do on so many levels. (Shooting, being positive, helping other, weight and diet and I probably left out a few)
If I ever go down the CO path I would likely outfit my SP01 bull shadow for a dot. It may be a while though as I'm leaning towards a trying open and a Chaos first ... and I still digging Limited.
Hey Pops, If you were going to run the x5 legion in open division. How would you upgrade it?
I sadly (only because I have a VERY nice tanfo stock 2) have to agree with you. I'm currently debating on just building a legion and enjoying the simple striker trigger. I just cant get behind the DA/SA. And mine is at 5lb/2.2lb
Thanks for the comparison and honest opinions. On the A01-LD did you have any reliability issues? Some people have complained of feed issues or stovepiping. Just curious if you ran into anything similar.
No issues at all
Great video! My first couple matches I shot my LTT, I started practicing with Bald&Curious and he let me shoot his x5 legion a few times during practice. Love love love my x5 legion put a red dot on it hopefully I can buy primers so u can practice more
Some people put O-rings between the hammer and the firing In the dry fire is that something you could do?
Where did you get your ZC milled for a plate system.
I would love to get that done to mine ASAP.
Thanks.
It came from CZC that way but they also offer milling
@@PopsQuest tyvm
Just emailed them.
Let’s an optic on this guy XD.
is the tungsten guide rod and plug worth the money, just picked up my legion and trying to get it perfect, just got C class in carry optics ......Im totally hooked......thanks.
If you think you are hooked, I would buy a backup gun first then pimp out the main gun, YES the tungsten is worth it, will fit primary and backup gun, welcome to the addiction!
You told us in a vid but I cannot find it. I think you went through the whole setup. What barrel to you shoot the x5 with?
It's a Barsto barrel but I only got it because it was threaded for a comp when I did the Open gun experiment, the barrel that came with the gun is just fine in my opinion
@@PopsQuest Thanks for the information and reasoning behind it. I was not sure if it had magical powers or not!
Good feedback and insight there, Pops. Interested in your plans you had mentioned previously in setting up one of your Legion pistols to play in Open or for Open 3Gun. Planning to focus and stick with Carry Optics only for the foreseeable future? For me personally, the only other division I can see myself shooting anymore besides Carry Optics would be going back to Open. 😁 #dotlife #thisistheway
I might shoot that configuration for 2-gun Nationals, the major ammo that I was testing then won't help me with the type of scoring they have planned but the comp may allow for faster follow up shots. I have my Chaos for sale now, I may not ever go back to open! Never say never LOL
Pops I know you’re not a big IDPA shooter but! What do you think about them not letting an atlas Athena in Carry optics but they will let the X5 legion in? I mean allegiant has a 5 inch bull barrel based on what Sig said in an advertisement I saw a while back. Atlas is only 4.6 inches long! They say you can’t have a bull barrel over 4 1/4 inches but they let the Legion in and not the atlas why?
I wish I could give my opinion, but I don't have any idea how idpa makes their rules. I knbow uspsa makes rule changes all the time. Single action triggers being allowed in CO was discussed at this last meeting and they did not make the rule change. I need to go to an idpa match just to check it out on an off weekend and take my carry gun
@@PopsQuest 👍🏻 Thanks Pops if you’re ever in orange county California I can take you to one.
The new orange is supposed to be hot have you had a chance, put your hands on it?
I have not and I'm scared to pick up any other guns at this point, LOL
People really underestimate how much personal fit really impacts gun choice. The best gun for me is not the best gun for the next guy.
Good thoughts Pops nice pistols
Great video, the double action pull first shot would be no bueno for me
It's something to just push through if you love the gun and a LOT of people do!
Blasphemy ;-) Nice honest personal analysis Pops.
If I was going to shoot C/O it would be with a CZ or and X5 coming from 2011's only thing against the sigs I've seen is alot of bent ejectors from over inserting mags, anyone else seeing this ?
I have had one on one of mine, the slide hits it under recoil and throws bullets about 3 feet low
Sage words.
What dot are you using on sig x5?
RTS2 C-More
All of them, LOL But I love the c-more, hope it holds up!
@@PopsQuest OK thank you I have been using the Delta point for about the last year and a 1/2 now and I still feel like I don't pick it up quick enough so pretty much anything under about 8 yd I point and shoot after that then I use the dot Also using the X5 legion as my favorite gun. Haven't tried the see more yet maybe that's my next investment lol I have about 5 optics now as I can see you do also. LOL! oh yes, are u using a mount kit with the sts c more?
@@MADDOG100ful Yes, I use plates from springer precision just not when I tried the DPP
@@PopsQuest Thanks!!
Well said.
I like my Shadow 2
I love all my CZ's!!
I only have one. It’s the best 9mm I have.
Hi !
I was wondering, if there is lighter than 12 pounds recoil spring out there for the Sig ?
Thank you !
Yes. You can use any 1911 style spring
Legion is hard to beat really.
Like a sore pecker....
NO BIAS HERE ONLY #CZLIFE
I don't even own one and it was helpful
LOL, Thank you
I think I clicked on this video by accident....
lol.. jedi mind tricks at work.
LOl, I hope you learned something.....
Any thoughts on the X5 Max?
Yes, it comes with a Sig dot and I don't like those any more
Pops, I live in center of NC. Maybe we'll run into each other one day at a match.
I hope so, I get up there every so often!
@@PopsQuest Awesome! I look forward to meeting you one day. It would be great to chat it up. Check out gear and talk strategy of stages.
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They are really nice!
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And dont feel bad for spending tons of money on a bunch of different guns. I have a ton of them too. 🤣🤣
Lol no!! No buying anything until you are at least C class!!
That is a good rule!