When you said "... dead cat..." while holding the pelican case, I chuckled because the thought that came to mind was Schrödinger's cat... you had the answer in your case...
Worth noting with the meat target that he is just trying to show a reasonable example of projectile performance in the mediums you'd expect for a given target and that Paul is making a subjective assessment based on his years of real world experience.. It's not scientific but is a reasonable methodical substitute for non laboratory conditions where he is often just assessing how well it will kill or penetrate a thing.. Generic ballistic gels are largely pointless and he can't exactly tie down and shoot various living animals/people for bullet testing, so the meat target is a "reasonable" alternative for the sake of his demonstrations. However, we should clearly be covering all soldiers in two layers of t-shirt in the front, two layers of t-shirt in the back, and about 50 layers of the new and improved high-tech fleece bullet stop.
@@MindlessWanderings It may not be a scientific test, but when he made his 'Bull Moose Target' to reenact the Teddy Roosevelt assassination attempt, the damage to the target almost exactly matched his reported injuries. It's a fun test to watch too, which of course is half the point.
@@jic1 Yeah, I didn't say it wasn't good. I'm merely reminding people that however good or bad it may be he isn't trying to be scientifically perfect, it is a practical demonstrative. (It's not clinical data, it is a reasonable real world substitute.)
@@MindlessWanderings You misunderstand my comment, I was praising Paul and the meat target. *Edit:* Actually, I misunderstood your comment - I read 'was' where you wrote "wasn't".
I thing the biggest thing for this is all of his contracts. He may not know the answer to a question, but he is on first-name basis with a guy that does.
If you consider the fact the other one was for an ad campaign and a completely manufactured image. I'd say Ian is the most interesting man in the world.
I love it when you bring in other people with expertize when you are unsure about the subject, its amazing to see the QA evolve. Keep up the amazing work!
@@Agentporpoise Although .30 super carry has its merits, I'm not a big fan of it, because I think the idea of a 5.7x28mm necked up to 7.35mm would be better, due to the fact that basically there are already magazines and weapons developed for this caliber, just change the barrel (something similar to .300blk), in addition to the fact that the great advantage that I see in a .30 caliber pistol cartridge is the versatility of it being able to be used both in a pistol and in a rifle (and at rifle speeds in a larger barrel). Even more so due to the format of the 5.7x28mm ammo, I believe that it would be possible to build a lighter bullet (something around 65 gr) and this type of ammunition would be interesting to be used in a rifle (to reach rifle speeds), but a proper pistol bullet would have a different shape giving it more volume and consequently more mass so it could perform decently when fired from a handgun (avoiding the suboptimal performance of 5.7x28mm when fired from a handgun).
Kilmartin is a nice little village, stopped at a really nice place there for lunch and a walk about the ancient remains around there going back over 1000 years
As I understand it: The BESA was only adopted in 8mm because the British bought, shipped over, set up and ran the entire factory. The British saw WW2 on the horizon and decided that they needed the machine guns NOW. It was decided that modifying the BESA to use .303 would take too long, and they were better off just taking the logistical hit. Bear in mind that converting the BESA to .303 would involve converting all the measurements (and thus the machining) from metric to imperial measurements, making the process longer, more expensive (and crucially, I hazard, more disruptive to production) than it usually would be. To conclude, the BESA being in 8mm was not indicative of a wider British admiration for the cartridge. It was, instead, a compromise made in the name of more prompt production.
Also, the BESA was only used by the Royal Armoured Corps, which had their own logistical support, I believe. Not sure how vehicles like the Churchill AVRE were handled, since they were manned by Royal Engineers crew, but it would make sense to have the RAC handle logistics for POL, spare parts and ammunition.
@@Zajuts149 If they did have their own dedicated logistics, they still had the issue of having machine guns chambered in 8mm, .303, and (I believe) .30-06.
@@jic1 Indeed, though the .303 were not as much used, and at least the other two cartridges were mostly not used both by the same unit. The exception would be Cromwell units that had Fireflies.
The Royal Armoured Corps ended up using 8mm Mauser in the BESA, .30-06 in the Brownings of their Shermans and other US made vehicles, and .303 for small arms used by sentries etc.
@@firewalker6712 yeah they normally come with pick foam but you can them without it sold pelican cases at one place I worked ..they are fantastic cases though
There are some very nice .32 bullets for the revolver calibers (327 Federal Magnum and 32 H&R magnum), and the terminal ballistics on those are not bad at all. The .327 has similar muzzle energy to .357 Mag, while 32 H&R magnum (in modern loadings) is somewhere between .380ACP and 9MM.
Finns is currently modernizing the RK 62 to a RK 62M. They replaced the reindeer leather sling with tactical, rube stock to a telescoping stock, picatinny rails for a light or laser in front and picatinny for optical sight.
I've had a chamber flag do exactly what you described. Had to take a cleaning rod to get it out. I now stick it down the mag well instead of into the chamber.
1930's adventurer load out?"The Highway Men" shopping spree comes to mind lol. I would pick a Remington Model 8 in 35 Remington, Colt 45 double action revolver in 45 ACP with moon clips as a sidearm, Colt Monitor would be good for vehicle based use (or use against vehicles). But still need pump 12 gauge either a Remington or Winchester trench guns.
I was thinking the Model 8 would be a good choice, especially one of the extended mag police versions. The only issues I can think of are the exaggerated recoil from the long-recoil operating system, and that it uses a cartridge not used in any Allied or Axis small arm.
1911, SMLE or M1917, and Winchester trench gun for me. Edit: now that I have watched the entire video, I think I'd go with 1911, Thompson, and BAR-D, Ian has a good point about not really needing a basic rifle. If I can use European weapons, I'd go with FN Hi-power, that MP30 Ian mentioned, and still an FN model D BAR. I would consider the BAR in 8mm for common ammo in most of Europe, but if I'm dreaming I want it in 6.5 Swede.
I live in Argyll and stay around 20 minutes from Kilmartin! It's a lovely wee village and has some very significant standing stones I visited about 2 months ago. I've been watching these videos for years, small world eh!
The C-12 is definitely that old, but the MC-12W Liberty is much more recent Global War on Terror iteration, see www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104497/mc-12/
@@nigelwright1610 It's always much more work than people imagine. The C-12 may not have been a state of the art aircraft, but the MC-12W was a state of the art ISR platform. That bolting of computer racks and antenna took 22,000 hours per aircraft and cost $10m. Which doesn't count the work L3 did developing and integrating the systems, which was likely in the man-centuries.
As someone who definitely is more interested in cameras than guns you was referring to automatic exposure, when you were saying automatic WB (which you probably are also using).
My suggestion regarding redesigning the 'M1 Carbine' is based on an actual prototype that was tested during WW2. According to 'The Owen Gun Story', (page 75) while working on the 3rd model Owen Gun for testing G.S Wardell at Lysaghts tested a Owen Submachine Gun chambered in 30 Carbine round, assumingly utilising the bolt weights and springs used in the earlier 3rd model .455 Webley prototype and an improved pin connecting the op-rod to the bolt. The actual reference in the book is very brief and more of an aside regarding the 3rd model gun, but clearly this was something that was considered at some point, although there's no other mention of how it performed other then the improved retaining pin been strong enough to handle the rearward buffering of the bolt. In an alternative 'Forgotten Weapons Q&A Galaxy' devaloped to it's full extent and assuming this mythical. 30 Owen Machine Carbine kept the same reliability characteristics as the 9mm Owen it would've emphatically solved the 'dirt and other crap egress' issues inherent with the M1 carbine. Furthermore, if adopted, this weapon would've easily been compact enough to fulfilled the M1 Carbines original role as a PDW for weapon crews, support and rear echelons troops as well as potentially replacing the M1 Carbine and possibly the Thompson in combat roles.
The MC-12W is an Air Force special reconnaissance variant of the C-12 cargo airplane which, in turn, is a military version of the Beech King Air 350. Basically they took an airframe that already existed and shoved a bunch of special electronics equipment inside them.
This video was really very interesting and informative. That's no surprise for anyone who has watched your channel, but this one just seemed especially good.
59:07 Pre-war Polish police purchased some Suomis (more or less 100 ex.) from Finland in the beginning of the 1930’s (used along with some American Thompsons M 1921 and 1928).
Actually, before outbreak of the war, Suomis were sold to Estonia and Spain as well. In case of Polish contract, the Finns officially presented KP/31 to a Polish attache in Helsinki in 1934, hoping for a bigger contract. So the following sale was not strictly speaking a true commercial 'off-the-rack' one. Overall Polish State Police (Policja Państwowa) initially bought only 50 of those in 1934 and another batch of 20 in 1936. Price for a Polish contract was 500zl (around 95$) a piece, with 200 rounds of SAKO 9mm Para for each of the guns.
@@hayperekpo THANKS for the great info! I wonder if pictures were taken during this presentation… As a Pole, I have great respect for Finns, such a great Nation!
Greetings from Malta! Each time I watch a Q&A video I really wish you gave us a tour of yoyr bookshelves. Even a blog post with a few pics with the titles visible would be great! Thanks.
I made the mistake of picking up a bottle of AN OA and boy talk about being a smoke show. Now I have learned that if it is not from Speyside it is not for me.
*TRANSLATION OF THE FRENCH LETTER:* Your excellency, Allow us to express our regret at the fact that our president, Mr. Mauser, did not have the pleasure of meeting you during your passage to Stuttgart due to his absence from Obendorf. Referring to previous talks with our director, Mr. Schmid, who had the advantage of having you with us, we have the honor of informing you that we are able to send to you at your address at the castle of Oberfuhring close to Munich on the 23rd: - 1 infantry Mauser model 04/07, 7mm caliber with sling and 5 training rounds - 1 cavalry carbine Mauser model 07, 7mm caliber with 5 training rounds and on the 28th: - 1 bayonet, short model, for the infantry rifle and 200 rounds with stripper clips for the aforementioned arms. We hope that in the meantime you will have received these objects. These 2 arms represent our latest models... (next page) ... half of the value is to be payed for at the signing of the contract and the other half at the acceptance (acc***** in the letter) of the arms at Obendorf come the remission of the documents to the expedition. We hope to be honoured by a response and in our wait pray Your Excellency accepts our best wishes. To his excellency, The Marshall M. Resa Khan, Aide-de-camp of the Council of S.W.J. the Shah.
Note that I'm not French (I'm Belgian, (Flemish)), so any corrections are welcome. Also what does Général Ministère du Conseil mean? General ministry of advice? Is it meant to be a sort of Home Office/Ministry of Internal Affairs?
I do enjoy the Korean stories of I shot this guy he went down then popped back up. So the guy you were shooting at heard the ballistic snap of your miss and went down so he would not get shot with follow up shots. Then got up and continued the advance to your next miss where he went down again. This went on until he was close enough that the wind did not push the bullet off the target?
Greetings from northeast Scotland! I adore these videos, they're incredibly informative and very relaxing to listen to. Thank you for sharing your ancestry with us :D
We had a range qual go over by hours thanks to a group of soon to be re-PFC's posting a NO-GO and thought if their rifle jammed before final round to keep qualified they would keep it. 6 of them simultaneously managed searing the bolt lock off inside the chamber without any armory personal in the county. They were happy to learn they could skip the last round... until told it was because weapon privileges were revoked during unit endangerment court marshall hearings anyway. Unless they could remedy the freak circumstances that landed all of them in the situation before stepping off the range. None of them remembered the maintenance kit in the stock mentioned during the staff safety brief, and didn't figure out how to punch out the plug. It did wonders for my advancement path, happily.
1:02:55 AFAIK, that's what they are doing in modern competition air rifles: a short barrel in a long shroud to move the sights apart as far as allowed while reducing the time the bullet spends speeding down the barrel to minimize the time frame during which the shooter can flinch the gun off target.
Also, for the fastest concept to production: I think there's a winchester lever action model (I can't recall which one right now) that John Browning designed and had a working prototype in something like a single month. What a mad lad.
It's also not uncommon to have a sight extension tube at the muzzle of a target rifle with aperture sights, particularly smallbore (.22LR) prone target shooting. Anschütz make one: jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?menu=596&sprache=1&zubehoerID=4937
In regard to empty chamber indicators (safety flags), I have a friend who shoots service rifle competitions. In one of the matches he gets his No. 5 carbine barrel so hot that it glows red hot. He puts a yellow MTM empty chamber indicator into the chamber as soon as he finishes and has never had one melt!
On the Sten, it follows the old saying that you can’t have something good, fast, and cheap, pick two of them. With the Sten they picked fast and cheap, which was what the British needed there and then. Yet it was still good enough to get the job done. Seems similar some similarity to the Chauchat. Not an ideal firearm, but it is functional and quantity is a quality of its own.
The thought that came to my mind about what guns to modify is that there are some guns that have an unusual degree of modularity that allow you to make 2 guns that are verbally identical but functionally very different. The accidental king of that hill is the AR-15 but there are some other modern offerings that are striving for the same. Of course the most popular guns (Glock, Ruger 10/22, etc.) will have the most choices of aftermarket parts and accessories that allow you to customize a gun to your preferences.
I've also thought of some sort of .30 straight wall pistol cartridge that would keep up with a 9mm, but I don't think the gains (something like 1 round in a single stack subcompact and 2-3 in a double stack service pistol) would overcome the massive institutional inertia and economies of scale 9x19 has. Cranking up the pressure to push that smaller pill hard enough to do the same damage is going to make for more muzzle blast too.
On the updated .30 Carbine questions, I have on my desk a couple of spent cases. One is .30 Carbine. One is 5.7mm P90. They're about the same size. If you wanted to get nuts, maybe a .30 caliber p90? But if you could make it work, something about the same configuration as the Ruger PC with the weight of the M1 Carbine, in 30 Carbine, would be a nice home defense peice if they made more good ammo.
Trivia but a few Canadian Bren Guns in 8mm Mauser were sent to Britain for a trial of use by the Royal Armoured Corps as they used 8mm Mauser in the tank BESAs anyway and the Brens were mostly used dismounted as guard weapons. At the same time the Mauser 8mm was being considered as a possible post WW2 British Army new standard small arms round.
The last question should have included a link to Demolition Ranch. Dude shoots all the typical calibers (22, 32, 57, 9, 45, 556, 762, 30-06, 50 and other stuff) at all sorts of random crap. When you watch enough of his stuff, you start to get an idea of the true capacity of each round. Mostly, 22 doesn't do much and 50 obliterates things as expected. But he recently fired at a 40 pound cube of pure solid tungsten and even 50 struggled with it. It doesn't matter if he's firing at rows of balloons or stacks of pillows or vats of honey or bricks of dry ice or of blocks of titanium. What matters is that you get to see the relative power of each round in each material. This allows you to extrapolate how well each round might perform in mammal tissue.
I drive up to Scotland at least twice a year. Favourite place to go on holiday to. It helps that they have the best roads in the UK, they really look after them and you get great views.
Extended front blade sights are a thing, or at least used to be, for 1911's. Ive seen several examples of competition oriented guns with an extra 6 inches of steel rod extended in front of the muzzle with a front sight blade for a longer sight radius
Another good video. I like your elaboration on PDW vs. SMG. It makes sense. The HK MP5 comes to mind in that the standard MP5 is a SMG, whereas the the MP5K-PDW is still a SMG, it is a PDW because that was the purpose for which it was designed. Then Venn diagram of overlapping circles would do well to visualize the differences and overlaps. I liked your answers to the hypothetical question, "Supply your own weapons available in the US in the 1930's for use in Europe". I shouted (internally) a big yes to your choice of the FN Browning Hi-Power. I also liked your consideration of the BAR, but I was surprised you didn't pick the FN model "D" version. While not as common, it was made in 7.92x57mm, which in my mind would have made it a better choice, in addition to all of the improvements made by FN. I also agree with your comments regarding the Thompson. At the time, only Germany had a truly modern SMG for the time. Anyway, nice Q & A!
I am very impressed with your work process and equipment that you carry. Thanks for the video. Also, I don't know who did your old intro; that was so cool. Keep up the great videos.
@0:33:26 - Details of my Scottish ancestry. My grandfather and one of his sons, my uncle Ian, were both gamekeepers in the highlands at the same area. Kildonan Lodge will come up on Google maps. They were provided with a home, vehicle, quite a few firearms and a kennel of working dogs (Labs). When the big wigs from London came up, the lodge was prepared for guests and would be taken out for fishing and shooting. What a life. That would have been from the early 1900's up to the 1980's between the two generations. Possibly a previous generation also did it but I have no information. Uncle Ian went to enlist for overseas duty in WWII but they kept him in Scotland to train snipers since he was too good at it to risk losing when he could train so many others.
I bought a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 in .40 S&W during the first production run of the first generation. I believe I paid like $280 for it? I don't remember, I had just turned 18. I absolutely love it.
I think the M1 carbine magazine would need a higher strength steel and small dimpling on the outside of the feed lips to work harden the area to make a good magazine. That might also work for the .306 chauchat magazine.
Regarding the sight radius question S&W offered a version of the Model 41 with the standard barrel length but with a front sight that extended to the length of the long barrel so shooters could take advantage of it without the extra weight.
The point was a smaller case diameter than 9mm, so Tok and FK BRNO are out. I don't think it's possible to get 9mm-equivalent performance out of an @8mm diameter case, and you're only going to gain 2-4 rounds capacity.
@@stephenzavatski8016 that's when you start running into overall length problems. Have you ever handled a Five-seveN? The grip isn't wide, but it's uncomfortably long. I think that your realistic maximum cartridge length is about 1.25"/32mm, the length of a .45 or 10mm. At least for any firearm where the magazine goes into the grip.
The real question is, why not use .308 or .30-60 or .300 win or .338 brass, size it down and try to get a .223 projectile out of a 6 inch barrel, instead of whatever the FK BRNO is trying to do? The FK BRNO is expensive, but I think that if such a goal is physically possible to be done at price point of 7.5 FK BRNO - it would be potentially viable on the commercial market. Suffice to say, any new cartridge that fits a niche use needs to be based on a commercially available, cartridge case. Just my thoughts on the small diameter high velocity pistol cartridges.
@@jonasstrzyz2469 the FK BRNO is based on 10mm case dimensions. Sure, you could start with .308 brass, but that's 12mm at the case head and now you're down to .45 capacity and grip dimensions. Call it 13 or 14 rounds instead of 16. Now, if we could get that performance out of a 9mm case, that'd be wicked awesome, 18-20 rounds.
Oh. A mini garand with enbloc!? What a cool idea. I'd jump on that in a heartbeat. Probably could be done with a 10 shot? The real problem might be the manufacturing expense. I'd love the idea. Just thinking outloud.
The only reason I can think of in combat to have a bolt action vs semi/full auto rifles/carbines/smgs seems to be if you are doing secret squirrel stuff and you want something as silent as possible, see the De Lisle, to avoid noise of the action cycling.
When you said "... dead cat..." while holding the pelican case, I chuckled because the thought that came to mind was Schrödinger's cat... you had the answer in your case...
“I don’t know what happened to that AK..” Off to Elbonia, is it?
its with brandon the ak guy who is rebuilding it
its in good hands now
@@williamkeith8944 wait isn't elbonia's main export mud....
@@alt7488 Yes, but they rebranded it as therapeutic mud and spas in California are buying it by the drum for their whack-a-doodle clients.
@@kevinsullivan3448 that's how they afforded the new weapons!
Regarding ballistics testing media, i would mention Paul Harrell's meat target with the new and improved high-tech fleece bullet stop.
And what makes it new and improved? Why the bungee cord of course.
Worth noting with the meat target that he is just trying to show a reasonable example of projectile performance in the mediums you'd expect for a given target and that Paul is making a subjective assessment based on his years of real world experience.. It's not scientific but is a reasonable methodical substitute for non laboratory conditions where he is often just assessing how well it will kill or penetrate a thing.. Generic ballistic gels are largely pointless and he can't exactly tie down and shoot various living animals/people for bullet testing, so the meat target is a "reasonable" alternative for the sake of his demonstrations.
However, we should clearly be covering all soldiers in two layers of t-shirt in the front, two layers of t-shirt in the back, and about 50 layers of the new and improved high-tech fleece bullet stop.
@@MindlessWanderings It may not be a scientific test, but when he made his 'Bull Moose Target' to reenact the Teddy Roosevelt assassination attempt, the damage to the target almost exactly matched his reported injuries. It's a fun test to watch too, which of course is half the point.
@@jic1 Yeah, I didn't say it wasn't good. I'm merely reminding people that however good or bad it may be he isn't trying to be scientifically perfect, it is a practical demonstrative. (It's not clinical data, it is a reasonable real world substitute.)
@@MindlessWanderings You misunderstand my comment, I was praising Paul and the meat target.
*Edit:* Actually, I misunderstood your comment - I read 'was' where you wrote "wasn't".
The answer from Mauro was spectacular. I’m amazed how interesting he made the answer to seemingly such a simple question.
Ian "you don't wanna get shot by a .30 carbine"
Me "well I don't really wanna get shot by any round"
well if its a cannon ball it will be quick .
Ian is on his was to becoming the new “most interesting man in the world”
I thing the biggest thing for this is all of his contracts. He may not know the answer to a question, but he is on first-name basis with a guy that does.
If you consider the fact the other one was for an ad campaign and a completely manufactured image. I'd say Ian is the most interesting man in the world.
I love it when you bring in other people with expertize when you are unsure about the subject, its amazing to see the QA evolve.
Keep up the amazing work!
Really enjoyed Mauro's section. Thought it was a boring no brainer question but you guys really ran with it I appreciate your guys' work.
Yeah just imagine a mauser employee going "so the army sent some feedback for the rifles but it's in spanish so I don't know what they want"
dude that book shelf is epic.
Do you mean Ian's well-stocked bookshelf, or the Mauser guy's incredible vibrating bookshelf?
Moving stairs to get to the high bookshelves, now that's dedication!
Taiwan 30 carbine mags are what I use totally reliable in 30 round and 15 round
I agree my friend...he should do a video on his book collection.. I thought I had a pretty good firearm library..but Ian's is spectacular
*globe
When you talk about the black versus white table cloth, that's not auto white balance, that's auto exposure. White balance would be a colour shift.
The worst AK now is in Brandon Herrera hands, he showed it in one of the last gun meme review.
He has his work cut out for him.
@@ernstbergerbrent not really. Drill out the rivets, replace barrel and bolt.
It's been fixed and it works!
If you stay here long enough, everything eventually comes back to 7.65 French Long.
McCollum's law.
LMAO I'm watching this in 2022 after Smith & Wesson has just come out with 30 super carry
You can kind of hear it coming as he reads the question🤣
@@gamerbg294 yea
@@Agentporpoise Although .30 super carry has its merits, I'm not a big fan of it, because I think the idea of a 5.7x28mm necked up to 7.35mm would be better, due to the fact that basically there are already magazines and weapons developed for this caliber, just change the barrel (something similar to .300blk), in addition to the fact that the great advantage that I see in a .30 caliber pistol cartridge is the versatility of it being able to be used both in a pistol and in a rifle (and at rifle speeds in a larger barrel).
Even more so due to the format of the 5.7x28mm ammo, I believe that it would be possible to build a lighter bullet (something around 65 gr) and this type of ammunition would be interesting to be used in a rifle (to reach rifle speeds), but a proper pistol bullet would have a different shape giving it more volume and consequently more mass so it could perform decently when fired from a handgun (avoiding the suboptimal performance of 5.7x28mm when fired from a handgun).
Kilmartin is a nice little village, stopped at a really nice place there for lunch and a walk about the ancient remains around there going back over 1000 years
I would love to see a modernized StG-44 with polymer furniture, aluminum receiver, and chambered in 7.62*39 or 6.5 Grendel.
As Karl pointed out once, .300 Blackout ballistics are almost identical to 8mm Kurz.
For your trip to Switzerland: there's a nice military museum in the Morges castle at lake Geneva. They have a substantial artillery collection.
Kilmartin has walk on crypt with Pictish carvings and knights carved on the stone slabs covering their Graves.
I've seen it - very cool! I also hiked up and around Dunadd Fort.
@@ForgottenWeapons I'm glad you got to see them as am I,I'm an hour's drive from kilmartin,i love getting out of the city.
Did the rocks shout out "Gun Jesus" When you put your foot in the carving?
That castle looks like my shortbread tin, and a branch of the MacCrae family have it.
As I understand it:
The BESA was only adopted in 8mm because the British bought, shipped over, set up and ran the entire factory. The British saw WW2 on the horizon and decided that they needed the machine guns NOW. It was decided that modifying the BESA to use .303 would take too long, and they were better off just taking the logistical hit.
Bear in mind that converting the BESA to .303 would involve converting all the measurements (and thus the machining) from metric to imperial measurements, making the process longer, more expensive (and crucially, I hazard, more disruptive to production) than it usually would be.
To conclude, the BESA being in 8mm was not indicative of a wider British admiration for the cartridge. It was, instead, a compromise made in the name of more prompt production.
Also, the BESA was only used by the Royal Armoured Corps, which had their own logistical support, I believe. Not sure how vehicles like the Churchill AVRE were handled, since they were manned by Royal Engineers crew, but it would make sense to have the RAC handle logistics for POL, spare parts and ammunition.
@@Zajuts149 If they did have their own dedicated logistics, they still had the issue of having machine guns chambered in 8mm, .303, and (I believe) .30-06.
@@jic1 Indeed, though the .303 were not as much used, and at least the other two cartridges were mostly not used both by the same unit. The exception would be Cromwell units that had Fireflies.
The Royal Armoured Corps ended up using 8mm Mauser in the BESA, .30-06 in the Brownings of their Shermans and other US made vehicles, and .303 for small arms used by sentries etc.
@@davidcolter Good thing they didn't own anything chambered in 7.62x54R!
I was expecting a lavish 19th Century style fitted case for the camera gear. I got some sort of dodgy tactical foam thing. Great stuff Ian!
Looks more like insulation foam. Not the kind of thing you would use for that. Very ghetto looking. lol
@@firewalker6712 yeah they normally come with pick foam but you can them without it sold pelican cases at one place I worked ..they are fantastic cases though
It should be wrapped in the family Tartan.
The airlines do not like the weight of a steamer trunk.
There are some very nice .32 bullets for the revolver calibers (327 Federal Magnum and 32 H&R magnum), and the terminal ballistics on those are not bad at all. The .327 has similar muzzle energy to .357 Mag, while 32 H&R magnum (in modern loadings) is somewhere between .380ACP and 9MM.
Finns is currently modernizing the RK 62 to a RK 62M. They replaced the reindeer leather sling with tactical, rube stock to a telescoping stock, picatinny rails for a light or laser in front and picatinny for optical sight.
I've had a chamber flag do exactly what you described. Had to take a cleaning rod to get it out. I now stick it down the mag well instead of into the chamber.
1930's adventurer load out?"The Highway Men" shopping spree comes to mind lol. I would pick a Remington Model 8 in 35 Remington, Colt 45 double action revolver in 45 ACP with moon clips as a sidearm, Colt Monitor would be good for vehicle based use (or use against vehicles). But still need pump 12 gauge either a Remington or Winchester trench guns.
I was thinking the Model 8 would be a good choice, especially one of the extended mag police versions. The only issues I can think of are the exaggerated recoil from the long-recoil operating system, and that it uses a cartridge not used in any Allied or Axis small arm.
1911, SMLE or M1917, and Winchester trench gun for me.
Edit: now that I have watched the entire video, I think I'd go with 1911, Thompson, and BAR-D, Ian has a good point about not really needing a basic rifle.
If I can use European weapons, I'd go with FN Hi-power, that MP30 Ian mentioned, and still an FN model D BAR. I would consider the BAR in 8mm for common ammo in most of Europe, but if I'm dreaming I want it in 6.5 Swede.
I live in Argyll and stay around 20 minutes from Kilmartin! It's a lovely wee village and has some very significant standing stones I visited about 2 months ago. I've been watching these videos for years, small world eh!
Brandon Herrera has that krink.
Yup. I'm his builder, we've got it sitting in the shop.
MrChefur got a job opening? 😂
@@ChefurCustom huh i saw your full auto sks yesterday small world huh
@@ChefurCustom It there actually anything you can do for it, or is it just going to be Old Yeller'd to end it's suffering?
@@AtholAnderson believe it or not, it's savable. It'll take some effort (and a new barrel) but the previous builder's laziness has saved us some pain.
MC-12W is a military version of the twin-engine Beechcraft, used thru the 1970's
The C-12 is definitely that old, but the MC-12W Liberty is much more recent Global War on Terror iteration, see www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104497/mc-12/
@@jone002 Though to give the MC-12W due credit, modern tech is much more complex and development projects typically much longer (BTDT).
@@davidgillon2762 It's bolting computer racks and antenna onto an existing King Air airframe. Not exactly state of the art aircraft design.
@@nigelwright1610 It's always much more work than people imagine. The C-12 may not have been a state of the art aircraft, but the MC-12W was a state of the art ISR platform. That bolting of computer racks and antenna took 22,000 hours per aircraft and cost $10m. Which doesn't count the work L3 did developing and integrating the systems, which was likely in the man-centuries.
As someone who definitely is more interested in cameras than guns you was referring to automatic exposure, when you were saying automatic WB (which you probably are also using).
Ahh Kilmartin's a lovely wee place. Loads of bronze age sites up the valley, and a great pub!
My suggestion regarding redesigning the 'M1 Carbine' is based on an actual prototype that was tested during WW2.
According to 'The Owen Gun Story', (page 75) while working on the 3rd model Owen Gun for testing G.S Wardell at Lysaghts tested a Owen Submachine Gun chambered in 30 Carbine round, assumingly utilising the bolt weights and springs used in the earlier 3rd model .455 Webley prototype and an improved pin connecting the op-rod to the bolt.
The actual reference in the book is very brief and more of an aside regarding the 3rd model gun, but clearly this was something that was considered at some point, although there's no other mention of how it performed other then the improved retaining pin been strong enough to handle the rearward buffering of the bolt.
In an alternative 'Forgotten Weapons Q&A Galaxy' devaloped to it's full extent and assuming this mythical. 30 Owen Machine Carbine kept the same reliability characteristics as the 9mm Owen it would've emphatically solved the 'dirt and other crap egress' issues inherent with the M1 carbine.
Furthermore, if adopted, this weapon would've easily been compact enough to fulfilled the M1 Carbines original role as a PDW for weapon crews, support and rear echelons troops as well as potentially replacing the M1 Carbine and possibly the Thompson in combat roles.
Brandon fixed the AK, gave it a new bolt, barrel and rivets and has it fully working now
The MC-12W is an Air Force special reconnaissance variant of the C-12 cargo airplane which, in turn, is a military version of the Beech King Air 350. Basically they took an airframe that already existed and shoved a bunch of special electronics equipment inside them.
I think the black tablecloth is one of the best tips I’ve heard
Of course. Don't want your camera to kneecap your exposure.
Elbonia was formed from parts of both Uparmia and Loarmia.
We have always been at war with Loarmia.
Reminds me of an old joke =where did God find his Armies .....? At the end of his 'Andes lol
Re the Swiss trip, Ian needs to visit Messieur Le Chap to have a look at his FAMAS .....
They sold one at a Kessler auction last weekend.
Redesigning the 30 carbine to have a closed receiver and a better magazine looks an awful lot like a honey badger.
Maybe you can convince CMMG to experiment with a Banshee (radial delayed blowback) in .30 carbine with converted Pmags?
That would be kinda cool...
But would be kinda redundant with .300 Blackout...
Possibly already mentioned in the comments but S&W made an extendable front sight version of their model 41. Back in the 70's I believe.
The Red Lion rotating fore end makes the Sub 2000 what it should have been from the start. It works great.
This video was really very interesting and informative. That's no surprise for anyone who has watched your channel, but this one just seemed especially good.
59:07 Pre-war Polish police purchased some Suomis (more or less 100 ex.) from Finland in the beginning of the 1930’s (used along with some American Thompsons M 1921 and 1928).
Actually, before outbreak of the war, Suomis were sold to Estonia and Spain as well. In case of Polish contract, the Finns officially presented KP/31 to a Polish attache in Helsinki in 1934, hoping for a bigger contract. So the following sale was not strictly speaking a true commercial 'off-the-rack' one. Overall Polish State Police (Policja Państwowa) initially bought only 50 of those in 1934 and another batch of 20 in 1936. Price for a Polish contract was 500zl (around 95$) a piece, with 200 rounds of SAKO 9mm Para for each of the guns.
@@hayperekpo THANKS for the great info! I wonder if pictures were taken during this presentation… As a Pole, I have great respect for Finns, such a great Nation!
Greetings from Malta! Each time I watch a Q&A video I really wish you gave us a tour of yoyr bookshelves. Even a blog post with a few pics with the titles visible would be great! Thanks.
Drinking ardbeg. "We'll start with Pete"
yes yes you will start with peat.
Nice one. Bourbon drinkers probably won't get it.
@@PieterBreda hopefully they can be opened to new ways of self defilement
Veddy nice, I like.
I was thinking the same!
But so many won't understand.
I made the mistake of picking up a bottle of AN OA and boy talk about being a smoke show. Now I have learned that if it is not from Speyside it is not for me.
*TRANSLATION OF THE FRENCH LETTER:*
Your excellency,
Allow us to express our regret at the fact that our president, Mr. Mauser, did not have the pleasure of meeting you during your passage to Stuttgart due to his absence from Obendorf.
Referring to previous talks with our director, Mr. Schmid, who had the advantage of having you with us, we have the honor of informing you that we are able to send to you at your address at the castle of Oberfuhring close to Munich on the 23rd:
- 1 infantry Mauser model 04/07, 7mm caliber with sling and 5 training rounds
- 1 cavalry carbine Mauser model 07, 7mm caliber with 5 training rounds
and on the 28th:
- 1 bayonet, short model, for the infantry rifle and 200 rounds with stripper clips for the aforementioned arms.
We hope that in the meantime you will have received these objects.
These 2 arms represent our latest models... (next page) ... half of the value is to be payed for at the signing of the contract and the other half at the acceptance (acc***** in the letter) of the arms at Obendorf come the remission of the documents to the expedition.
We hope to be honoured by a response and in our wait pray Your Excellency accepts our best wishes.
To his excellency,
The Marshall M. Resa Khan,
Aide-de-camp of the Council of S.W.J. the Shah.
Note that I'm not French (I'm Belgian, (Flemish)), so any corrections are welcome. Also what does Général Ministère du Conseil mean? General ministry of advice? Is it meant to be a sort of Home Office/Ministry of Internal Affairs?
@@axytho2135 conseil can be translated in "council" , at the time Persia was (I think) an absolute monarchy.
I had absolutely NO idea that "french letters" could be translated......
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@@noremorsewoodworking2258 😁😁😁😜
I do enjoy the Korean stories of I shot this guy he went down then popped back up. So the guy you were shooting at heard the ballistic snap of your miss and went down so he would not get shot with follow up shots. Then got up and continued the advance to your next miss where he went down again. This went on until he was close enough that the wind did not push the bullet off the target?
More likely he was using the M2 carbine on auto and missed wide on round 1 and over the targets head with the rest of the Mag.
Inland Manufacturing makes an updated M 1the M30-C carbine and the M30-P pistol both are expensive
Greetings from northeast Scotland! I adore these videos, they're incredibly informative and very relaxing to listen to. Thank you for sharing your ancestry with us :D
I started making Ian's Alton Brown eggnog recipe today. This will end drunkenly.
Its the best Egg Nog! Would be fun to have him and Ian talk about guns and cocktails.
Just make sure you stay off of Twitter, people will twist your words so they come out the opposite of what you meant.
Hats off to Mauro, good you have a network that can pull these details from memory👍
The cursed ak being a machine gun makes it so much worse.
Yeah, I wanted to strap the "builder" downrange at Knob Creek for the MG shoot when Brandon pointed that out.
We had a range qual go over by hours thanks to a group of soon to be re-PFC's posting a NO-GO and thought if their rifle jammed before final round to keep qualified they would keep it. 6 of them simultaneously managed searing the bolt lock off inside the chamber without any armory personal in the county. They were happy to learn they could skip the last round... until told it was because weapon privileges were revoked during unit endangerment court marshall hearings anyway. Unless they could remedy the freak circumstances that landed all of them in the situation before stepping off the range.
None of them remembered the maintenance kit in the stock mentioned during the staff safety brief, and didn't figure out how to punch out the plug. It did wonders for my advancement path, happily.
Thanks for the story about your clan history. My clan comes from Oban, not too far from Kilmartin in Argyllshire.
Happily watching from Scotland
1:02:55 AFAIK, that's what they are doing in modern competition air rifles: a short barrel in a long shroud to move the sights apart as far as allowed while reducing the time the bullet spends speeding down the barrel to minimize the time frame during which the shooter can flinch the gun off target.
Clearly the answer to the 1930s adventurer question is an M1917 revolver and a bull whip.
About the grip fire selector, don't forget about the VP-70 which is select fire from the shoulder stock.
Also, for the fastest concept to production: I think there's a winchester lever action model (I can't recall which one right now) that John Browning designed and had a working prototype in something like a single month. What a mad lad.
The pistol front sight extension is a thing and was common for bullseye pistol shooting before the introduction of optical sights
It's also not uncommon to have a sight extension tube at the muzzle of a target rifle with aperture sights, particularly smallbore (.22LR) prone target shooting.
Anschütz make one: jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.php5?menu=596&sprache=1&zubehoerID=4937
Really enjoyed product placement in by both individuals. Good information is worth its weight in unobtainium.
Many thanks to Mr. Baudino for his very thorough answer.
In regard to empty chamber indicators (safety flags), I have a friend who shoots service rifle competitions. In one of the matches he gets his No. 5 carbine barrel so hot that it glows red hot. He puts a yellow MTM empty chamber indicator into the chamber as soon as he finishes and has never had one melt!
On the Sten, it follows the old saying that you can’t have something good, fast, and cheap, pick two of them. With the Sten they picked fast and cheap, which was what the British needed there and then. Yet it was still good enough to get the job done.
Seems similar some similarity to the Chauchat. Not an ideal firearm, but it is functional and quantity is a quality of its own.
The thought that came to my mind about what guns to modify is that there are some guns that have an unusual degree of modularity that allow you to make 2 guns that are verbally identical but functionally very different. The accidental king of that hill is the AR-15 but there are some other modern offerings that are striving for the same. Of course the most popular guns (Glock, Ruger 10/22, etc.) will have the most choices of aftermarket parts and accessories that allow you to customize a gun to your preferences.
I've also thought of some sort of .30 straight wall pistol cartridge that would keep up with a 9mm, but I don't think the gains (something like 1 round in a single stack subcompact and 2-3 in a double stack service pistol) would overcome the massive institutional inertia and economies of scale 9x19 has. Cranking up the pressure to push that smaller pill hard enough to do the same damage is going to make for more muzzle blast too.
On the updated .30 Carbine questions, I have on my desk a couple of spent cases. One is .30 Carbine. One is 5.7mm P90. They're about the same size. If you wanted to get nuts, maybe a .30 caliber p90? But if you could make it work, something about the same configuration as the Ruger PC with the weight of the M1 Carbine, in 30 Carbine, would be a nice home defense peice if they made more good ammo.
5.7 necked up to .30 would kick ass in a pistol
I'm just know realizing what a GREAT Doc Holliday Ian could play!
Thanks again Ian! Thanks to Mauro Baudino for sharing his answer in video!
So you discussed, in this video, what would - a year later - be launched as the .30 Super Carry. :)
Kudos and congrats on the continued good content!
Trivia but a few Canadian Bren Guns in 8mm Mauser were sent to Britain for a trial of use by the Royal Armoured Corps as they used 8mm Mauser in the tank BESAs anyway and the Brens were mostly used dismounted as guard weapons. At the same time the Mauser 8mm was being considered as a possible post WW2 British Army new standard small arms round.
Nice Islay Scotch with a proper glencarin glass.
Glenmartin... That makes you the decentands of the Kings of Dal Riata, Ian... The first kings of Scotland! Also, the AK guy got the kring...
The last question should have included a link to Demolition Ranch. Dude shoots all the typical calibers (22, 32, 57, 9, 45, 556, 762, 30-06, 50 and other stuff) at all sorts of random crap. When you watch enough of his stuff, you start to get an idea of the true capacity of each round. Mostly, 22 doesn't do much and 50 obliterates things as expected. But he recently fired at a 40 pound cube of pure solid tungsten and even 50 struggled with it. It doesn't matter if he's firing at rows of balloons or stacks of pillows or vats of honey or bricks of dry ice or of blocks of titanium. What matters is that you get to see the relative power of each round in each material. This allows you to extrapolate how well each round might perform in mammal tissue.
Ardbeg is a nice half. Give the Lagavullin a pop, similar, but more flavour.
Didn't Brandon get the nightmare krink somehow and is in process of fixing it?
I believe so
I drive up to Scotland at least twice a year. Favourite place to go on holiday to. It helps that they have the best roads in the UK, they really look after them and you get great views.
Extended front blade sights are a thing, or at least used to be, for 1911's. Ive seen several examples of competition oriented guns with an extra 6 inches of steel rod extended in front of the muzzle with a front sight blade for a longer sight radius
*Pours Ardbeg, sips*
"...we're going to start with Pete..."
Oh wow, that was me! Yayyy
I immediately went looking if any one else heard the flow of words. Nice one C J and Pete. Great minds think alike.
I thought it he meant "peat" in the scotch.
Heh, with that Ardbeg he could also be saying "we're going to start with peat" 😉
Ha ha, what a "peaty" I did not realize that one in the first place... :D Slàinte Mhath!
Another good video. I like your elaboration on PDW vs. SMG. It makes sense. The HK MP5 comes to mind in that the standard MP5 is a SMG, whereas the the MP5K-PDW is still a SMG, it is a PDW because that was the purpose for which it was designed. Then Venn diagram of overlapping circles would do well to visualize the differences and overlaps.
I liked your answers to the hypothetical question, "Supply your own weapons available in the US in the 1930's for use in Europe". I shouted (internally) a big yes to your choice of the FN Browning Hi-Power. I also liked your consideration of the BAR, but I was surprised you didn't pick the FN model "D" version. While not as common, it was made in 7.92x57mm, which in my mind would have made it a better choice, in addition to all of the improvements made by FN. I also agree with your comments regarding the Thompson. At the time, only Germany had a truly modern SMG for the time. Anyway, nice Q & A!
I am very impressed with your work process and equipment that you carry. Thanks for the video. Also, I don't know who did your old intro; that was so cool. Keep up the great videos.
I really like your clan motto - it fits you well, too!
In ardua petit - He has attempted difficult things
@0:33:26 - Details of my Scottish ancestry.
My grandfather and one of his sons, my uncle Ian, were both gamekeepers in the highlands at the same area. Kildonan Lodge will come up on Google maps. They were provided with a home, vehicle, quite a few firearms and a kennel of working dogs (Labs). When the big wigs from London came up, the lodge was prepared for guests and would be taken out for fishing and shooting. What a life. That would have been from the early 1900's up to the 1980's between the two generations. Possibly a previous generation also did it but I have no information. Uncle Ian went to enlist for overseas duty in WWII but they kept him in Scotland to train snipers since he was too good at it to risk losing when he could train so many others.
I bought a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 in .40 S&W during the first production run of the first generation. I believe I paid like $280 for it? I don't remember, I had just turned 18. I absolutely love it.
I think the M1 carbine magazine would need a higher strength steel and small dimpling on the outside of the feed lips to work harden the area to make a good magazine. That might also work for the .306 chauchat magazine.
The scull on the grave stone is cool and creepy all at the same time! Thanks for the info
As far as I remember, the last time there was only one bottle inside the globe. Here in Russia, we call it "progress" :)
one ,,,shit i must be drunk i saw 3
Nazdrovja
Three definitely 3....
3:13 the fixed mic: An Earthworks?
If so NIIICE!
The OEG sights in South African service in the late 80s: It was found on the 6-shot MGL, and on a few R5s issued by the Air Force.
5:11 when you made that motion of "pulling" on a roll of packing tape it was as if I smelled the smell it makes for real.
Love the little guest spots you have sometimes.
Regarding the sight radius question S&W offered a version of the Model 41 with the standard barrel length but with a front sight that extended to the length of the long barrel so shooters could take advantage of it without the extra weight.
One of the great Islay malts, Ardbeg. I bel;eive the Correyvreckan is inn fact a whirlpool.
The fledgling SAS and Long Range Desert Group were using the Lewis guns mounted in tandem on the vehicles I believe
True
They also used a number of Vickers K guns, which are often mistaken for Lewis guns.
AFAIK The Lewis guns were only mounted singly but the Ks, which gradually replaced the Lewis, were often mounted as twins.
Very entertaining video Ian, your vast knowledge is amazing also very surprised to learn that you are a one man band with your filming.
A hot .30 caliber pistol cartridge with equivalent or better ballistics than 9mm Parabellum?
You mean, like, 7.62 Tokarev?
The point was a smaller case diameter than 9mm, so Tok and FK BRNO are out.
I don't think it's possible to get 9mm-equivalent performance out of an @8mm diameter case, and you're only going to gain 2-4 rounds capacity.
@@ScottKenny1978 with a longer case you could
@@stephenzavatski8016 that's when you start running into overall length problems. Have you ever handled a Five-seveN? The grip isn't wide, but it's uncomfortably long. I think that your realistic maximum cartridge length is about 1.25"/32mm, the length of a .45 or 10mm. At least for any firearm where the magazine goes into the grip.
The real question is, why not use .308 or .30-60 or .300 win or .338 brass, size it down and try to get a .223 projectile out of a 6 inch barrel, instead of whatever the FK BRNO is trying to do? The FK BRNO is expensive, but I think that if such a goal is physically possible to be done at price point of 7.5 FK BRNO - it would be potentially viable on the commercial market.
Suffice to say, any new cartridge that fits a niche use needs to be based on a commercially available, cartridge case.
Just my thoughts on the small diameter high velocity pistol cartridges.
@@jonasstrzyz2469 the FK BRNO is based on 10mm case dimensions.
Sure, you could start with .308 brass, but that's 12mm at the case head and now you're down to .45 capacity and grip dimensions. Call it 13 or 14 rounds instead of 16. Now, if we could get that performance out of a 9mm case, that'd be wicked awesome, 18-20 rounds.
I have heard of radiator cap jobs on cars but this is the first time I have heard of a front site job on a gun.
I absolutely cannot wait to have my own copies of the Headstamp Publishing books!
Oh. A mini garand with enbloc!? What a cool idea. I'd jump on that in a heartbeat. Probably could be done with a 10 shot? The real problem might be the manufacturing expense. I'd love the idea. Just thinking outloud.
Gun Jesus is Scottish
It's a proud day for us Scots!!
Watching the ruggers are we? France appear to be showing the Scot's up. Again. 🙄
@@Bender_B._Rodriguez I'm a Scot and I live in the west of Scotland. No one is cutting about with his name sadly
@@Virgil-280 How about Wallace??
@@ireallyshouldntbehereltd7814 Am no big sports guy tbh. A watch the fitba sometimes but that's it
@@keganwallace8753 Again no the most common name where I live but we do have a few
A C-12 is military Beech King Air. The MC-12 has some extra electronic goodies.
So its a modification ofan existing airframe? The STEN was from brain to paper to metal on no existing platforem.
And the RC-12 has electronic goodies such that it barely flies. :V
tasteful hint of 30mm cannons slipped in quite nicely sir
The only reason I can think of in combat to have a bolt action vs semi/full auto rifles/carbines/smgs seems to be if you are doing secret squirrel stuff and you want something as silent as possible, see the De Lisle, to avoid noise of the action cycling.
@ 30:44 I thought of those oddball "squeeze cockers" but I don't think that is what he was asking about