I compared these two mixers in a club on a Funktion One sound system. Despite the fact that Allen & Heath XONE 96 has excellent sound characteristics, Ecler WARM2 produced a more detailed sound picture in all frequencies, very clean & punchy. Definitely the best rotary mixer in it’s price range. Good comeback for Ecler.
Totalmente de acuerdo. Yo pienso que ECLER es el rey en los medios y medios altos. En las etapas de potencia ECLER también tiene un sonido especial sobre sus competidores, al menos en las que conozco ( PAM, APA, etc. ) de los 90's y 2000 y pico😂. Anclado en la clase AB y H de Ecler, Crest Audio, Crown, Carver... Bueno su comentario.
That doesn't surprise me. I tested an old Ecler Mac 90v vs a Mastersounds Radius with an instant A/B test again and again and there was no audible difference.
Not sure how you came to this conclusion, I have an Xone 96 & just bought an Ecler Warm 2 & would say it’s the complete opposite, Xone 96 bass is so much tighter, more controlled & punchy & overall has a lot more transparency & detail, Ecler bass sounds horrible by comparison, it’s sounds muddy & distorted, even worse in the mix, it’s night & day, the Ecler hasn’t impressed me at all, you get what you pay for, 9 times out of 10….
@@djdeejdjay8669 I made the video so I have access to the raw Wav files used to record the test. That is what I base my verdict on, and it is audible even in the TH-cam version. Also, the video is uploaded in Prores - there literally isn't a way to upload in higher quality to TH-cam. Not much I can do for how TH-cam chooses to transcode that for streaming however. If that's not good enough quality for you I'm afraid you need to stop using the internet for audio and video needs altogether.
@@valdemar_sound we are listening to a recording and you've played two different records for each mixer...that is not the way to do a comparison. Fact. You can only hear the recording and not what they sound like on a set up... Fact.... I've been into hifi and sound for 38 years and let's just say I know my stuff without going into my credentials which I can do if you really want...? My system is about £30,000....I run a mastersounds radius 4v with uprated PSU.... Before that I had that I had a 96 for 2 weeks before I sold it coz it was rubbish due to each channel had different volumes and the left and right channel volumes were different on each channel as well ...and before having that i owned an Ecler Evo 5 for 8 years and nuo 4.0 before that along with nuo 5 and 4.....Again I kinda know what those mixers sound like... As for using TH-cam lol ....you can hear a difference in recordings but not what something sounds like....
Great video Valdermar. On the second track I could hear more width, punch, and fidelity, from the Xone for sure but in a blind test it would be very difficult to tell for me, and I like the softening the Warm 2 does honestly.
they seem absolutely identical.. if I've to find something, I'd say 96 a bit more (but tiny bit) punchier on bass and Ecler a bit more clear on mid/high.. I'd want buy a rotary without fall 'into the boutique zillion expensive hole' and after this listen I could buy WARM2 (or WARM4) for sure 😃
Thnx for making this! Surprisingly preferred the sound of the 96 but wonder if paired with a different stylus that the warm2 might do better. For the price and size the warm2 still seems like a great option.
Yeah, there's no way the Warm2 will replace my 96 - but that isn't the reason I got it. The form factor is fun and it brings something else to the table and I see myself bringing this along to smaller parties where a 96 is too bulky, and just for the fun factor. It's a great option for someone wanting to dip their feet in rotary on a budget.
set on the outputs DIP 0db→12db . The nominal level of HOUSE output is set to 0dBV (1Vrms) by default, but it can be set to +12dBV (4Vrms) using an internal dip-switch (look at Configuration Diagram).
For more than half of the price Ecler did a good job, but if u screw them both open u will see that Ecler didn't use top components rather more budget components, and that will show up after a couple of years. The xone 96 sounds better in my opinion and is very well build with good components witch will stand the test of time.
Listening from smartphone's speakers, the difference is inaudible. I'd say that for DJing, it's perfectly fine to use the ecler. The only reason to prefer the Allen&Heat for me are the FX, and other controls not present on the Ecler mixer.
A&H has a flabby bass compared to the Ecler, which is tighter and more defined The highs are fizzier on the A&H. I would say the Ecler has a cleaner, precise mid range with more depth but all things considered, the Xone96 compares admirably. Xone96 is a powerhouse built to serve a variety of different needs and the compromise in sound is small.
the ah sounds a bit more open with sharper highs.. the warm sounds a bit more balanced with a nicer rounder bottom end. both mixers sound really good here. i did like the ah a bit more expect for the last tracks where the hihats where a bit to aggressive for my fast. i think I want to get the eclet. it looks great, has everything I need and I really wanna try a rotary mixer. thank you for this shootout.
So you got that all from a low quality yt vid with no a/b testing with the same record.... I can categorically tell you thst the ecler is better.... I've had 5 eclers and 2 A&H and the only good A&H mixers were the older ones made in the UK....I spoke to one of the directors at A&H amd he was trying to tell me QC had improved since moving production to China...what a load of bollox lol...I had the Xone 96 for a week till I sent it back due to the stereo signals and output levels being different on each channel....total joke!
@@Dee.J.Mogfry Yes,My 96 channel is unbalanced too. I thought it was an independent incident, but not to be. Shit quality.Only made in the UK are of good quality.
I will be suprise to see the difference between this one and the nuo 2.0 😊 I never use rotary mixer befor . Playing house music but i affaid to miss the cross fader Need to make a choice to get one of them. If nuo 2.0 sound good as well , i will go for
I seen an other test ecler vs high end pre amp and ecler was very close to a 1 k preamp , and here ecler very close to xone. Xone is a bit cleaner and have a bit better freqeuncy in room details. But ecler is 650 euro and xone 2000 euro. Very good job ecler
The Warm2 sounds good but the Xone 96 sounds better. The Ecler gain is at 12 o'clock. The 96 gain looks to be at 9 o'clock . I have the xone 96 and a Ecler mixer. As for @TheBKSOUNDS I've heard both mixers on a Danley Rig. Like I said the Ecler Warm2 is good. The xone 96 is cleaner. The Ecler is boomy on the bass. Not much clarity of notes.
The fuzzy, drivey sound of the Xone is really clear in this comparison. Dunno if Id call the Ecler "warmer", but definitely "clearer". Super interesting.
@@ericpeters0n it's OK...I've only got a £28.000 dj set up and a £6000 av set up...I don't know anything either...lol I also find sound engineers the most awkward people to speak to as well.???
@@Dee.J.Mogfry Cool cool, I'm sure your setup is stellar! If some of that cash went into decent monitoring and room treatment -and if you haven't completely fried your ears over the years! :P-- if you A/B it, you'll notice the Xone 96 def has a 'sound' to it.... which I was endeavoring to describe. Can't see any reason a fine gentlemen with your bank account and obvious charm would take that personally ;)
@@riod2020 I'm commenting the video, as most of the people here. Edit: I listened to the comparison again, the differences are minimal .. I guess that by *in person" you mean listening to the difference being right there, in front of two speakers. Well in my opinion you're adding another variable into the game: your speakers and how they're amplified. Using earphones that factor is excluded. The only way I'm aware of is to make a measurement, instead of giving a personal opinion depending on too many factors. The audio from one, or the other mixer can be reversed in phase, then summed to the other mixer recording: what's left are the differences between the two mixers, where a flat line (no signal) equals to no differences. The point is the following: even if there's a tiny-iny difference, am I going to use all the features of the allen & heat, or miss it's EQ character? If the answer is "no", then choose the Ecler, as nobody, you included would probably hear any difference. . The only test to do is the one mentioned before...if they're equal, we can stop the discussion. I used to do these things, search for the best sounding mixer, etc etc. I've changed my mind now, DJing is about selection, technique. Leave the audio setup to professionals that can take decisions without being biased.
this is a bad test since you are testing the phono preamps this way. you should play something on the line input. phono preamps have the RIAA corrector which EQs the sound from the vinyl and can greatly differ from manufacturer to manufacturer. that said, listening in studio setting with highend dynaudio speakers, the only noticeable difference is that the xone has wider stereo separation and a little bit more bass, but in this instance we dont know if its the mixer sound or the RIAA corrector sound....
It is specifically a vinyl test - the RIAA curve is part of what makes mixers sound different from each other. Usually that's where the biggest differences are so that's why I felt it was more interesting to test. But yes, if you are only playing digital files, the video might not be all that relevant for you.
lol....it's a recording you're listening to.... what the hell does stronger and more powerful mean lololololol.... Im guessing the Ecler was recorded on its own soundcard and the Ecler on a different soundcard.... you can't compare like that either....
I haven't played the 23C myself but owned several Xone mixers and it seems like incredible value at a great price to me. Keep in mind they do different things, but for someone buying their first mixer or is also looking for an interface, I would recommend the 23C. The Warm2 is more of a niche product.
Eh? The eclers are good and I've own 5....but they are no way in the same league as a condesa! I've got a mastersounds 4v with uprated psu....I think they are better...
@BenDover-eo2nj Chevy chase thumb nail and the Uk's only famous porn star name.... That's very troll worthy lol. If you are into mixing, the mastersounds mixers are just as good and a lot cheaper.
Analog vs. Digital? Ich persönlich finde Leidenschaft und perfektion ist ansichtssache. Der Warm2 ist exzellent, grad mit 12inch. Ein absoluter erstklassiger Analog mixer. th-cam.com/video/_-jU_6azAgs/w-d-xo.html.
This Ecler Warm 2 looks promising. I'm curious about getting into Rotary and for the price it hits just right. What cartridge/needles would you recommend pairing this with? Thank you for the upload.
@@valdemar_sound Imo the MKII Club sucked ass, worst cartridge I've ever heard. _Very_ overdriven highs which sound completely unnatural and very harsh compared to my AT VM540ML which is my go to reference. On very worn records they sound alright on first glance but the highs are still distorted and you're better off boosting with something which retrieves the detail accurately instead of doing whatever this cartridge does to the sound. I've since switched to an old Stanton 680 with an aftermarket Jico stylus (which apparently aren't even as good as the originals) and it's almost indiscernible except for the highest highs having just a tiny bit less sparkle, but you wouldn't hear this on any club system anyway.
the allen and heath is hiding some sibilance but already I think vinyl masterers hide sybilance so I think it just sounds like too dipped in the 6k-12k where as the ecler isn't doing that
To be fair I'm a bit underwhelmed - the quality control does not impress me as jacks are angled unevenly and the markings on knobs don't line up correctly in neutral position - stuff like that. I have no idea about the components themselves but the assembly has disappointed me.
@@valdemar_sound I noticed on the nuo sound was leaking from one of the other channels. You’d never hear it in practice - as you needed to crank the headphones higher than you ever would, but I returned it and bought a Rodec. It’s way too big for my needs these days so am searching for a 2 channel and hence was excited to see Ecler back in the game again.
only time will tell, it's metal and it feels nice but the knobs above the isolator are wobbly which many find pychologically disconcerting during performances and just in general
I own a Nuo 3.0 for about 10 years now, and it's true for the Nuo too that the pots don't align. They also jiggle a little. The rec output broke some years ago, but apart from that it works perfectly still. And it's seen a lot of action. So if you can live with the aesthetics flaws, I don't think it's bad build quality TBH. I'm a little sad tho that they don't pay attention to the little details tho.
Is ecler warm 4 has the same sound as 2? And does 96 xone has the same sound like 92? Couse i have xone and dont know what to do. Buy ecler warm 4 or xone 96. I like xone mixing style with 4 eq but also i think would like rotary..
I haven't played the Warm4 but as far as I know they sound the same. The Xone 96 though, I know for a fact has different (hotter) preamps and also different EQ crossover points than the the 92 so the sound should be a slight improvement there. They have also changed up the filter structure a bit. In the end I would go for whichever one fits your workflow - do you like mixing rotary or more traditional? Also, the 96 is a very large mixer takes up a lot of space so that is something to keep in mind.
The 96 build quality is crap...the one I had had different levels on each channel and the left and right volumes didn't match on each channel either.....there's a video on YT about it as well.
@@Dee.J.Mogfry "The 96 build quality is crap...the one I had had different levels on each channel and the left and right volumes didn't match on each channel either.....there's a video on YT about it as well." Maybe you had a lemon. The Condesas seem to commonly measure with about several times the distortion + noise to a Xone 96. Analog Xones tend to have fairly tight tolerances on channel matching, too, though their phono preamps have historically been high capacitance, ostensibly to 'warm' the sound, but more likely for noise rejection purposes. Higher capacitance, though, shouldn't necessarily influence even something like phono cartridge channel balance, rather more commonly the filter effect roll off with the cart''s inherent inductance and maybe a little electrical resonance effect.
@Reticuli it was a lemon for sure....I rang up A&H and questioned them about this and they seemed put out by what I said and told me their QC has never been better...lololololol....BS! The A&H mixers made in the UK are known to be better sounding and better build...it is fact that when stuff is moved over to China for production, equipment has cheaper and not as well matched components put in and less testing the moment you walk out of the door... I know how this industry works....that's why in house production is the best, and that goes for most industries as well and not just hifi.
@@Dee.J.Mogfry Funny how that's the case for electronics but not for athletic shoes. China has some crazy advanced shoe making capabilities. Even New Balance here in the states admitted the USA couldn't make shoes as well as China can... and not just the quasi slave labor aspect, but the equipment they've developed there.
@@conorw1989 I have owned the RP7000 MK2 twice in recent times and for the price point and the fact that it can be purchased new is a very decent turntable for DJing once it's paired with decent carts. I would buy them over used/over priced Technics any day.
still cant understand is it video sound quality or they really sound pretty much the same. xone is noticeably better but the difference is not that big
I compared these two mixers in a club on a Funktion One sound system. Despite the fact that Allen & Heath XONE 96 has excellent sound characteristics, Ecler WARM2 produced a more detailed sound picture in all frequencies, very clean & punchy. Definitely the best rotary mixer in it’s price range. Good comeback for Ecler.
Thanks for the info it helps
Totalmente de acuerdo. Yo pienso que ECLER es el rey en los medios y medios altos.
En las etapas de potencia ECLER también tiene un sonido especial sobre sus competidores, al menos en las que conozco ( PAM, APA, etc. ) de los 90's y 2000 y pico😂. Anclado en la clase AB y H de Ecler, Crest Audio, Crown, Carver...
Bueno su comentario.
❤ awesome
That doesn't surprise me. I tested an old Ecler Mac 90v vs a Mastersounds Radius with an instant A/B test again and again and there was no audible difference.
Not sure how you came to this conclusion, I have an Xone 96 & just bought an Ecler Warm 2 & would say it’s the complete opposite, Xone 96 bass is so much tighter, more controlled & punchy & overall has a lot more transparency & detail, Ecler bass sounds horrible by comparison, it’s sounds muddy & distorted, even worse in the mix, it’s night & day, the Ecler hasn’t impressed me at all, you get what you pay for, 9 times out of 10….
Thanks for making this. Difference is indeed pretty small beetween the two. Now we just need 4 channel Ecler with filters 😀
Glad you enjoyed it. I'm sure it's on it's way! At least four channels.
Oh yes ! Filter with reso would be a great featue
if you can tell that from a recording from low quality video then you're a better man then me! utter bs lol..
@@djdeejdjay8669 I made the video so I have access to the raw Wav files used to record the test. That is what I base my verdict on, and it is audible even in the TH-cam version. Also, the video is uploaded in Prores - there literally isn't a way to upload in higher quality to TH-cam. Not much I can do for how TH-cam chooses to transcode that for streaming however. If that's not good enough quality for you I'm afraid you need to stop using the internet for audio and video needs altogether.
@@valdemar_sound we are listening to a recording and you've played two different records for each mixer...that is not the way to do a comparison. Fact.
You can only hear the recording and not what they sound like on a set up...
Fact....
I've been into hifi and sound for 38 years and let's just say I know my stuff without going into my credentials which I can do if you really want...?
My system is about £30,000....I run a mastersounds radius 4v with uprated PSU....
Before that I had that I had a 96 for 2 weeks before I sold it coz it was rubbish due to each channel had different volumes and the left and right channel volumes were different on each channel as well ...and before having that i owned an Ecler Evo 5 for 8 years and nuo 4.0 before that along with nuo 5 and 4.....Again I kinda know what those mixers sound like...
As for using TH-cam lol ....you can hear a difference in recordings but not what something sounds like....
They sound 98% identical
Wow very close to my ears. Good job Ecler 👍
Great video Valdermar. On the second track I could hear more width, punch, and fidelity, from the Xone for sure but in a blind test it would be very difficult to tell for me, and I like the softening the Warm 2 does honestly.
Cheers! Yes, definitely a taste thing.
they seem absolutely identical.. if I've to find something, I'd say 96 a bit more (but tiny bit) punchier on bass and Ecler a bit more clear on mid/high..
I'd want buy a rotary without fall 'into the boutique zillion expensive hole' and after this listen I could buy WARM2 (or WARM4) for sure 😃
Thnx for making this! Surprisingly preferred the sound of the 96 but wonder if paired with a different stylus that the warm2 might do better. For the price and size the warm2 still seems like a great option.
Yeah, there's no way the Warm2 will replace my 96 - but that isn't the reason I got it. The form factor is fun and it brings something else to the table and I see myself bringing this along to smaller parties where a 96 is too bulky, and just for the fun factor. It's a great option for someone wanting to dip their feet in rotary on a budget.
The 96 wins hands down as expected.
Beautiful!
set on the outputs DIP 0db→12db .
The nominal level of HOUSE output is set to 0dBV (1Vrms) by default, but it can be set to +12dBV (4Vrms) using an internal dip-switch (look at Configuration Diagram).
For more than half of the price Ecler did a good job, but if u screw them both open u will see that Ecler didn't use top components rather more budget components, and that will show up after a couple of years. The xone 96 sounds better in my opinion and is very well build with good components witch will stand the test of time.
Listening from smartphone's speakers, the difference is inaudible. I'd say that for DJing, it's perfectly fine to use the ecler.
The only reason to prefer the Allen&Heat for me are the FX, and other controls not present on the Ecler mixer.
the ecler is just a tiny warmer on the low end through my reference headphones
Eh? It's a recording plus he never done a comparison with the same tune on both decks...reference headphones lol...which ones lol..
A&H has a flabby bass compared to the Ecler, which is tighter and more defined The highs are fizzier on the A&H. I would say the Ecler has a cleaner, precise mid range with more depth but all things considered, the Xone96 compares admirably. Xone96 is a powerhouse built to serve a variety of different needs and the compromise in sound is small.
I'll wait for a 4 Channel of ECLER Warm
Warm 2 in silver to match my 1200s would be excellent !!!
I had A&H and Ecler…. For me: „Ecler first“!!!
the ah sounds a bit more open with sharper highs.. the warm sounds a bit more balanced with a nicer rounder bottom end.
both mixers sound really good here.
i did like the ah a bit more expect for the last tracks where the hihats where a bit to aggressive for my fast.
i think I want to get the eclet. it looks great, has everything I need and I really wanna try a rotary mixer.
thank you for this shootout.
So you got that all from a low quality yt vid with no a/b testing with the same record....
I can categorically tell you thst the ecler is better....
I've had 5 eclers and 2 A&H and the only good A&H mixers were the older ones made in the UK....I spoke to one of the directors at A&H amd he was trying to tell me QC had improved since moving production to China...what a load of bollox lol...I had the Xone 96 for a week till I sent it back due to the stereo signals and output levels being different on each channel....total joke!
@@Dee.J.Mogfry there is ab testing with the same record. watch the video
@@Dee.J.Mogfry Yes,My 96 channel is unbalanced too. I thought it was an independent incident, but not to be. Shit quality.Only made in the UK are of good quality.
I will be suprise to see the difference between this one and the nuo 2.0 😊
I never use rotary mixer befor .
Playing house music but i affaid to miss the cross fader
Need to make a choice to get one of them.
If nuo 2.0 sound good as well , i will go for
I seen an other test ecler vs high end pre amp and ecler was very close to a 1 k preamp , and here ecler very close to xone. Xone is a bit cleaner and have a bit better freqeuncy in room details. But ecler is 650 euro and xone 2000 euro. Very good job ecler
The Warm2 sounds good but the Xone 96 sounds better. The Ecler gain is at 12 o'clock. The 96 gain looks to be at 9 o'clock . I have the xone 96 and a Ecler mixer. As for @TheBKSOUNDS I've heard both mixers on a Danley Rig. Like I said the Ecler Warm2 is good. The xone 96 is cleaner. The Ecler is boomy on the bass. Not much clarity of notes.
The sound is richer with the Ecler imo. The mids are more robust and overall the music feels warmer.
The fuzzy, drivey sound of the Xone is really clear in this comparison. Dunno if Id call the Ecler "warmer", but definitely "clearer". Super interesting.
@@ericpeters0n The fuzzy drivey sound? Wtf are you on about lol..
@@Dee.J.Mogfry Don't mind me, just a professional mixing and mastering engineer....
@@ericpeters0n it's OK...I've only got a £28.000 dj set up and a £6000 av set up...I don't know anything either...lol
I also find sound engineers the most awkward people to speak to as well.???
@@Dee.J.Mogfry Cool cool, I'm sure your setup is stellar!
If some of that cash went into decent monitoring and room treatment -and if you haven't completely fried your ears over the years! :P-- if you A/B it, you'll notice the Xone 96 def has a 'sound' to it.... which I was endeavoring to describe.
Can't see any reason a fine gentlemen with your bank account and obvious charm would take that personally ;)
Xone 96 blows the Ecler Warm 2 away, I also did a side by side comparison, it’s a big difference, not a subtle one 🤣
You're joking
@@midclock Have you done the comparison in person or are you just going by the TH-cam video?
@@riod2020 I'm commenting the video, as most of the people here.
Edit: I listened to the comparison again, the differences are minimal .. I guess that by *in person" you mean listening to the difference being right there, in front of two speakers.
Well in my opinion you're adding another variable into the game: your speakers and how they're amplified.
Using earphones that factor is excluded.
The only way I'm aware of is to make a measurement, instead of giving a personal opinion depending on too many factors.
The audio from one, or the other mixer can be reversed in phase, then summed to the other mixer recording: what's left are the differences between the two mixers, where a flat line (no signal) equals to no differences.
The point is the following: even if there's a tiny-iny difference, am I going to use all the features of the allen & heat, or miss it's EQ character?
If the answer is "no", then choose the Ecler, as nobody, you included would probably hear any difference.
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The only test to do is the one mentioned before...if they're equal, we can stop the discussion.
I used to do these things, search for the best sounding mixer, etc etc.
I've changed my mind now, DJing is about selection, technique.
Leave the audio setup to professionals that can take decisions without being biased.
@@midclock & you say I’m joking 🤣
@@riod2020 please read my edit
more and clean low end on the ecler
this is a bad test since you are testing the phono preamps this way. you should play something on the line input. phono preamps have the RIAA corrector which EQs the sound from the vinyl and can greatly differ from manufacturer to manufacturer. that said, listening in studio setting with highend dynaudio speakers, the only noticeable difference is that the xone has wider stereo separation and a little bit more bass, but in this instance we dont know if its the mixer sound or the RIAA corrector sound....
It is specifically a vinyl test - the RIAA curve is part of what makes mixers sound different from each other. Usually that's where the biggest differences are so that's why I felt it was more interesting to test. But yes, if you are only playing digital files, the video might not be all that relevant for you.
it annoys me that the Ecler is slightly taller than a 1200, it make it look weird and out of place, why couldn't they make it the exact same size??
At 500 euros and 1000 euros, no one can beat Warm 2 and Warm 4.
If have any other recommendations please comment,hahaa
warm2 is a rotary version of nuo2.0 right?
Pretty much, for all intents and purposes, yeah. But there are a few differences and different values when looking over the spec sheets.
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So you all can really hear the difference from compressed files on TH-cam 🤔
Says the person that doesn't get the point of a rotary.
very hard get gaps in between.. anyway it seem (to me) 96 it's stronger, more powerful..
lol....it's a recording you're listening to....
what the hell does stronger and more powerful mean lololololol....
Im guessing the Ecler was recorded on its own soundcard and the Ecler on a different soundcard....
you can't compare like that either....
@@djdeejdjay8669 dude wtf u even talking about
@thchris what you even talking about?
Hi! In your opinion, which is better than xone23c or Ecler warm 2?
I haven't played the 23C myself but owned several Xone mixers and it seems like incredible value at a great price to me. Keep in mind they do different things, but for someone buying their first mixer or is also looking for an interface, I would recommend the 23C. The Warm2 is more of a niche product.
the Ecler blows the cheap Xone away....the 96 isn't a very impressive to be honest either.
so far…the Condessa is still the king for me currently for modern rotary mixer…but this Ecler,making a come back….has got some potential…
Eh? The eclers are good and I've own 5....but they are no way in the same league as a condesa! I've got a mastersounds 4v with uprated psu....I think they are better...
distortion city
@@Reticuli which mixer?
@BenDover-eo2nj Chevy chase thumb nail and the Uk's only famous porn star name....
That's very troll worthy lol.
If you are into mixing, the mastersounds mixers are just as good and a lot cheaper.
@@Dee.J.Mogfry The Condesa is crazy high distortion. Apparently designed like that to have a euphonic sound like using tubes, without the tubes.
Analog vs. Digital? Ich persönlich finde Leidenschaft und perfektion ist ansichtssache. Der Warm2 ist exzellent, grad mit 12inch. Ein absoluter erstklassiger Analog mixer. th-cam.com/video/_-jU_6azAgs/w-d-xo.html.
This Ecler Warm 2 looks promising. I'm curious about getting into Rotary and for the price it hits just right. What cartridge/needles would you recommend pairing this with? Thank you for the upload.
I personally use Ortofon DJ MK2 but the Orotofon Club are great if you have the budget for them!
@@valdemar_sound Imo the MKII Club sucked ass, worst cartridge I've ever heard. _Very_ overdriven highs which sound completely unnatural and very harsh compared to my AT VM540ML which is my go to reference. On very worn records they sound alright on first glance but the highs are still distorted and you're better off boosting with something which retrieves the detail accurately instead of doing whatever this cartridge does to the sound. I've since switched to an old Stanton 680 with an aftermarket Jico stylus (which apparently aren't even as good as the originals) and it's almost indiscernible except for the highest highs having just a tiny bit less sparkle, but you wouldn't hear this on any club system anyway.
witch one have better preamps: warm 2 or xone 23c ?
are xone 96 preamps louder than xone 23c ?
96 has much lowder preamps yh, no tracks i like you have to put gain on max, its very balanced and loud
the allen and heath is hiding some sibilance but already I think vinyl masterers hide sybilance so I think it just sounds like too dipped in the 6k-12k where as the ecler isn't doing that
Lol...wtf are you go on about lol...
Any thoughts on build quality of the Warm? I used to own one of the smac series, and I thought they cheaped out a lot on the Nuo range.
To be fair I'm a bit underwhelmed - the quality control does not impress me as jacks are angled unevenly and the markings on knobs don't line up correctly in neutral position - stuff like that. I have no idea about the components themselves but the assembly has disappointed me.
@@valdemar_sound I noticed on the nuo sound was leaking from one of the other channels. You’d never hear it in practice - as you needed to crank the headphones higher than you ever would, but I returned it and bought a Rodec. It’s way too big for my needs these days so am searching for a 2 channel and hence was excited to see Ecler back in the game again.
only time will tell, it's metal and it feels nice but the knobs above the isolator are wobbly which many find pychologically disconcerting during performances and just in general
@@DavidSpittle Mackie d.2.
I own a Nuo 3.0 for about 10 years now, and it's true for the Nuo too that the pots don't align. They also jiggle a little. The rec output broke some years ago, but apart from that it works perfectly still. And it's seen a lot of action. So if you can live with the aesthetics flaws, I don't think it's bad build quality TBH. I'm a little sad tho that they don't pay attention to the little details tho.
Is ecler warm 4 has the same sound as 2? And does 96 xone has the same sound like 92? Couse i have xone and dont know what to do. Buy ecler warm 4 or xone 96. I like xone mixing style with 4 eq but also i think would like rotary..
I haven't played the Warm4 but as far as I know they sound the same. The Xone 96 though, I know for a fact has different (hotter) preamps and also different EQ crossover points than the the 92 so the sound should be a slight improvement there. They have also changed up the filter structure a bit. In the end I would go for whichever one fits your workflow - do you like mixing rotary or more traditional? Also, the 96 is a very large mixer takes up a lot of space so that is something to keep in mind.
@@valdemar_sound 96 have interface, it is hotter than 92...
I think the Ecler has more spearation whereas the xone just sounds like pure creamy sex I think I like them both a lot
the battle of the gods
David v Xolniath
Which is better roatary or line fader, settled forever
The xone just sounds pornagraphic to my ears
Did you use a common external phono preamp for this test?
I did not, this video showcases the mixers own preamps.
The 96 build quality is crap...the one I had had different levels on each channel and the left and right volumes didn't match on each channel either.....there's a video on YT about it as well.
@@Dee.J.Mogfry "The 96 build quality is crap...the one I had had different levels on each channel and the left and right volumes didn't match on each channel either.....there's a video on YT about it as well."
Maybe you had a lemon. The Condesas seem to commonly measure with about several times the distortion + noise to a Xone 96. Analog Xones tend to have fairly tight tolerances on channel matching, too, though their phono preamps have historically been high capacitance, ostensibly to 'warm' the sound, but more likely for noise rejection purposes. Higher capacitance, though, shouldn't necessarily influence even something like phono cartridge channel balance, rather more commonly the filter effect roll off with the cart''s inherent inductance and maybe a little electrical resonance effect.
@Reticuli it was a lemon for sure....I rang up A&H and questioned them about this and they seemed put out by what I said and told me their QC has never been better...lololololol....BS! The A&H mixers made in the UK are known to be better sounding and better build...it is fact that when stuff is moved over to China for production, equipment has cheaper and not as well matched components put in and less testing the moment you walk out of the door...
I know how this industry works....that's why in house production is the best, and that goes for most industries as well and not just hifi.
@@Dee.J.Mogfry Funny how that's the case for electronics but not for athletic shoes. China has some crazy advanced shoe making capabilities. Even New Balance here in the states admitted the USA couldn't make shoes as well as China can... and not just the quasi slave labor aspect, but the equipment they've developed there.
Warm 4 is out..compare
How do you like the RP7000 MK2?
I think they are great, generally. Still think old school (MK2-5) Technics have the edge though.
@@valdemar_sound thanks for the reply, trying to decide between them and mk2 technics!
@@conorw1989 I have owned the RP7000 MK2 twice in recent times and for the price point and the fact that it can be purchased new is a very decent turntable for DJing once it's paired with decent carts. I would buy them over used/over priced Technics any day.
ecler sounds more "wet" i would say. xone is more punchy. overall sound quality in this vid is pretty low so its hard to compare like this
still cant understand is it video sound quality or they really sound pretty much the same. xone is noticeably better but the difference is not that big
i got xone92 and it sounds so much better than ecler
I am an idiot. For me is the same think
yeah nah xone is too creamy for me the warm2 sound illegal I think I prefer it
Rotary’s don’t have any bells and whistles kinda boring
Then you don't get the point of a rotary....you shouldn't really be in this comments page
Compare it to a realistic mixer
Sure, drop me a message and I'll let you know how to send me one.
The Radio Shack mixer?
Xone 96 tiene mejor sonido