Listening To $40,000 Worth Of High-End Mixers | Beatsource Tech
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- When Mojaxx reviewed AlphaTheta’s new rotary mixer, he suggested to the company that they should throw listening parties, where DJs could hear the Euphonia in context with it’s competitors.
Well, his local DJ store thought that was such a good idea, they decided to do it themselves, and so he spent one evening last week checking out $40,000 worth of high end mixers, alongside a bunch of other audio heads. See how he got on, in the new episode of Beatsource Tech.
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As an Omnitronic trm 202mk2 owner, this thing rocks compared to the pioneer djm 700 that i also have. And... This comparison confirmes my guess, you don't need to spend a whole lot of money to have a descent sounding (rotary) mixer. And before anyone comments my comment, my dream mixer is a mastersounds radius 4...
You are correct. Even the budget ones will sound better than cookie cutter mixers from larger brands.
"The fader curves are still stupid tho" - Mojaxx 🤣🤣🤣
That little personal issue got in there for a moment.Love you man!😆
Killed me 😂
Really annoys me how A&H / Play differently insist on ruining their mixers with these fader curves
Bizarre they went back to the Xone 62 & 464 curve.
If they have other fader curves i would definetly have one to keep it for ever. They are special
You already know I think this is a GREAT VIDEO!!! I own the 1 Stop DJ Shop in Las Vegas AND I personally own 12 rotary mixers. So needless to say I’m going to do this at my shop sometime in the NEAR future! ✊🏽
I’m in SoCal but would love to attend this!
Another happy TRM202 user here. My 1200 goes thru a Rega Fono MM preamp before entering the line-input of the omnitronic. Makes it sound even better...
Even without the strict experimentation protocols, this seemed like it was a lot of work. Thank you for putting this session together. And shout out to Downtown Records in NYC (Albert Marrero, Nelson Roman, et al), which was where I bought my first pair of Technics 1200 MKII turntables
That video was legit...I'd add at the end a few of everyone's top 5 so we can at least see what's everyone thought and where the euphonia stands on the market...
Thanks for all the video reviews...it has helped me a lot with everything...keep doing what you do bro!
Audiosports Singapore! They were the first Vestax dealers in the country. A great place to meet up with fellow DJs as well as try out new gear. Relevant to your video, it was also the first place where I saw actual rotary DJ mixers and isolators.
aWEsoME concept & review...thank you Mojaxx 🙏 I grew up with Mills Record Bar in Fremantle, Western Australia. Mills Records is an independent vintage music store. They have been running since 1995 with all the original catalogues vibrantly hanging onto the walls. They sell everything you need from Vinyl's old and new to CDs and is run by passionate & knowledgeable DJ's
Perth represent! I'm definitely going to come and check this out 🙂
i hope for more events like this !
Thanks, Mojax. Subjective praise for the Lucia is solidifying my choice of a Condesa Allegra for my next upgrade
I have special memories to the Dutch store FEEDBACK in Rotterdam. Unfortunately it's no longer there. It was my best friend in my early music days.
Love this video, can imagine what a great time all you guys had doing this.
The most impactful DJ equipment store in my life, was Cosmic Electronics in Brentwood when I was growing up as a lad - independent local sales and hire outfit covering the full range of gear (as well as repairing anything, plus designing and making their own stuff). Legends.
Excellent video. I live in the greater NYC area and started my club DJ career in 1984. It's funny to think of it, but there were no fader mixers being used in clubs back then. All we had were Bozak & Urei mixers back in the day. The first fader based mixers hit circa 1985-ish. Most notably, the GLI 9000 & Rane MP 22 and clubs weren't quick to switch🙂.
I owned the GLi 9000 and the 5990. Wish I still had em both. Especially the 5990
Team FORMULA SOUND!
Wish Mojaxx would review one of these
Synergy can never be ignored, blind testing at brick and mortar is a lost treat. We have a club called Ears and Beers to do just this type of critical and enjoyable listening.....even if we can't quite remember every detail following the bong fog.
Top work man, gutted I couldn’t make it down… looks epic though 🙌… will definitely try and get there next time.
Oh and for the last question, you’re stood in my favourite DJ store in the video 😉… Mike is a legend.
Brand new TRM-222 has just gone out, and is still almost hardly available. It looks bombastic. The world needs a serious review, please
Mojaxx, thank you thank you thank you! You add so much value to the Dj worlwide community. I was one of those asking for a summary after this event. Great to hear your comments on the tested mixers. I am into the euphonia now but need to save for it a little bit. Your friend from Opa music 😊
Great vid Mojaxx. What I'd really like to see you do in the lab is a comparison between, say, the Alpha Theta and the Mastersounds valve mixer, or the Condessa when you get it... BUT... playing digital sources and playing dance music, and comparing the summing quality.. Since this is my (and most people's) use case. Can the Alpha Theta really hang with the analogue desks? Can these boutique desks bring extra magic to the still slightly sterile world of digital audio?
Love what you're doing man! You are my primary source for info on what's happening with DJ tech. Many thanks :)
LOVE my Lucia-X!!!
Best sounding mixer I've ever owned!
My dream mixer.
Great video as always!! Personally only rocking a TRM 202 so far but looking to upgrade soon. I can only thank and suggest our local store DJs Delight in Dusseldorf, Germany! Great expertise and they are even doing repairs of all kinds. Just the way we need it.
This test is like reviewing a LG G4 TV while watching A New Hope on VHS. Yes, I get the "vinyl sounds better than digital argument" back in early 2000's with low res DAC's and 16 bit processors. But come on, Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon on CD at 16bit / 44.100 is unparalleled in sound quality, even to a brand new vinyl pressing. 32bit float - 96khz is just ridiculous it terms of perceived audio clarity compared to 16/24 bit because at this point I don't believe anyone could hear the difference. But in short, vinyl records are absolutely mind blowing! I mean, it must be more amazing now (in 2024) to the younger generations to hear a piece of music carved into a vinyl disc.
It would be awesome to have an in-depth look at sound quality of mixers through the ages. Well, I'd be interested anyway. 🙂
I compared the euphonia phono pre to a 1976 built bozak .
Ortofon pro s infinity rs525 crown d150a with yamaha servo sub
Played disco, house and new wave.
The phono pre amp on a 2dl is something very clean dynamic.
Will you notice the difference when music is playing loud nope.
Great video. Very interesting on the Condesa and definitely makes me want one. The layout and audio interface in the Euphonia were some of the biggest selling points as to why I bought one. Only mixer I've done an instant AB on compared to my Euphonia was with the Xone 96. And the Euphonia smashes it out of the park. I'd love to do an instant AB with a Condesa.
Also, would've loved to have heard some tests with line inputs.
what an entertaining, kind and insightful review. many thanks. I'm a little jealous of everyone who was there.
Congratulations! Great review. I just missed the 2 reference rotary mixers of the market, Urei and Bozak
The dream team, Mojaxx and Mike from Phase 1! Your two channels are my absolute go to for DJ equipment reviews and news. This was a very interesting episode, showing that there is no definitive “best mixer”, only the mixer you like best. Not a mention of signal to noise ratios , transients or harmonics, just a bunch of enthusiasts, and a sound system . PS was Jamie from Ctossfader not available? 😂
A great idea ...was waiting for a video like this ..I just ordered a resor 2525...
DJSTUFF has some comparison recordings available for some of these mixers (Warm, Model X, MS 2V, Euphonia, DJR400) which clearly highlights some of the differences; the Warm4 and 2V being the most natural, the Model X clearly lacking a lot of dynamic range, the Euphonia lacking some high end detail with the DJR400 being very crisp, a little harsh and unnatural -- just like Ortofon cartridges. If you're interested to hear some of this I'd suggest checking them out.
damn. gutted the MP2015 wasnt working, I love mine, its so uncoloured and true to source, you know exactly what youre getting when you start running it through external boards. Some hate that but its a real selling point for me. . .the sub mix eq and kills per channel are pretty unique also.
Hmmm very odd, not working on purpose?
@@user-sf7ip7ik9c could be, maybe Mojaxx swore at one in the past?
Yeah mate, I love mine too. Had it for about five years now and it’s still so much fun to mix on. The sound is one thing but the dedicated filters on each channel are what really do it for me. They’re so buttery smooth.
@@mk-421 yeah its just awesome, Ive had a lot of mixers in the past 30 years, and there are loads of other rotaries where I really love the sound, but they're just your typical 3x ISO, a 3-band EQ per chan and thats it.....the versatility of the MP2015 i'm yet to find in another rotary mixer, nowhere near it... set your eq on your sub channel and your ISO and just punch in and out per channel like a fully eq'd kill switch... nothing else gives you full EQ kill switch control per channel...96khz spdif if you want it, AND your classic rotary controls, AND it looks gorgeous. totally underrated I think.
@@user-sf7ip7ik9c Could be just a bad IEC cable ground path. Change the power cable or instead ground the turntable to something else, like one of the other mixers plugged into power right next to it. If it's a ground loop, then it's on purpose, because you'd have to intentionally find another circuit in the room to plug it into. They shouldn't have been comparing vinyl like that, anyway. Pointless. Turntable wasn't even isolated, meaning the mixer with the tightest & loudest bass will get the most rumble unless the mixer has a high-pass filter.
Thank you so much for that video!!!
Great video as usual, more of these would be fantastic. Do the ARS desktops vs. Isonoe 420 with some vinyl if you can.
Big Shout out to Mile High DJ Supply in Denver Colorado. Our best source for DJ Gear in the Area, by far; locally owned by Khyle 'Hijinx' Montoya. He runs Bi-Weekly Scratch Sessions from the shop and does lot's of Demo Video of Gear as well. Great Shop if you're ever in the area!
Class to have an after video nice one mojaxx 🙌 I wanted to come but it was 5 hour drive for me so 10 hours on the road didn't seem viable 😅
Excited to hear the new OMNITRONIC TRM-222, another retro looking rotary at an affordable price. Has anyone seen one yet?
the omnitronic TRM -222 will be released in early June.
I've been waiting for it for a long time now, it's a very very beautiful rotary vfm mixer but I've already identified a very big negative, the crossfader doesn't turn off!
very negative thing and very annoying I don't like having a crossfader on a rotary mixer at all, it doesn't fit, the fact that you don't have the option to turn it off is terribly annoying.
just for this issue I haven't decided, I'm between the trm-222 & the 422.
mojaxx we are anxiously awaiting a review of the new omnitronic TRM -222!
I’ve got the 2Ch baby version of the omnitronics and love it. Pretty sure I bought it based on price and a mojaxx review
I love going to my local dj shop,it's like a day out for me 😆
Currently saving for a Condessa - absolutely cannot wait to hear your review on one once Mehdi gets over there. Do you know which model you'll be reviewing? Awesome video.
i got a Subzero DMR-400 which is clone of the Omnitronic. They have the exact same guts. I just got it because i wanted a rotary and couldnt afford some of the other brands. Mines sounds much better than any other mixer I own. I was impressed considering I only paid $300 for that rotary. paid 3 times as much for my rane 72.
Great video!
Germany? Elevator Store in Münster! Best DJ Store in Germany with great events!
Thanks for this. Would love to hear the review with the mixers using a digital source
What a great positive video.
I wish you could have taken the opportunity to make high quality recordings of each mixer playing the same track so we can get a sense of the differences in sound for ourselves and A/B them. Sadly hardly any of us will get the chance to hear most of these mixers in person before buying. Which mixers shine more with electronic music?
Nice with such an event
I know it's a niche product do, but a line switch box to jump between multiple channels would've been a faster way to compare mixers. Or even hooked up to a 8 channel line level pa mixer that many dj's own.
Yes I know some purists will balk at switch boxes as adding another level of flavouring on the signal. They do make life much easier if you own multiple amps/preamps.
RCF newer lines would've been a better speaker to use. Art 9 series shits over the 7's.
dj superstore in Southend is the place of dreams
Too bad about the RANE 2015, Would of loved to hear how it compares to the other rotaries.
Useless information considering how they did it.
Also, hilarious that the industry standard Pioneer is just meh in terms of sound quality. Imagine some of your favourite club nights and festivals but ran through a better sounding mixer. Ahhh one can dream.
I don't think they sound that bad. We don't even know if the mixer was set to iso or EQ in this.
@@ReticuliOverall they don't sound objectivly bad, but for the price tag they do!
@@dejantetickovic4478 They're certainly overpriced. If you don't mind isolators in the signal path, the X1700 and especially the MP2015 sound way better, and the DB4 sounds a lot more analog than any digital DJ mixer Pioneer has ever produced. I think as a different flavor, though, all the Pioneer digital DJ mixers have a valid, alternative tonality. Even the DJM800, especially if you bypass the ADC and DAC stages on it, is a valid, hifi voicing, even if it's not quite as reference as some others. The first 900Nexus had a slightly different voicing, and then the NXS2, Tour1, and A9 have yet another voicing, and the V10 & Euphonia have yet another. All interesting flavors, but, yes, you're paying the Pioneer DJ vig.
did you like more the orbit 6 over the condesa?
Experience > Science 🎶... and nice to see that TRM422 as comparison. Rule of diminishing returns.
I consider getting a Warm2 or Headliner R2 for a secondary 'fun-setup' with TTs. No SoundSwitch then, though :P
I think all the Rane mixers have that buzz when you try to play vinyl.
Is it just some strange view / angle / perspective or is the AlphaTheta really wide? I want one!
which of these is 4 band?
Why not 👍👍👍
When are you going to do a video on Grimes? lol
I'm great fan of Mojax, but Pioneer seriously does not need any additional advertising. I know, it's hard to avoid it and this type of shows need company support, but still... with Pioneer killing almost all other competition is not funny by any standard.
Btw, great episode and nice talk about the small local stores. 😉
Neato
I mean 40.000$ on rotary mixers is only like 41/2 mixers lol
Why are the resor's knobs stupidly high off the faceplate? Seems annoying.
🤩😍 Cooooool
It’s all about subjective talk I’m afraid
well, yes, but there were limitations that couldn't be worked around. We need to send more mixers to Mixers_Inside if we want objective measurements!
Totally
Taula is ugly and weird, but sound nice.
It's easier to just compare the mixer in the path to the mixer not in the path to check its sound, not comparing mixer to mixer over some questionable setup. Better to use the CDJ as the source rather than vinyl, because the record wears as it plays on each mixer, the phono preamps have different capacitance loading, and because of rumble.
I'm surprised they didn't resolve the hum on the MP2015. Probably just a bad IEC cable. Change the cable or move the phono ground to one of the other mixers that's plugged into power. Unless someone plugged it into another power circuit, which would be sus.
You live in the UK, why are prices in $$? Always puzzles me...
Because most of our audience is in the US.
@@MojaxxAnd no consideration for your UK audience?
We’re a tiny minority of subs compared to the US audience. In fact there are probably more people who use the Euro than Brits. As with most tech/gear channels on TH-cam, they have to cater to where their subscribers reside, ie the US by a vast majority.
Just recently got back into vinyl and all your videos have helped me with my progress thanks @mojaxx superb videos. Shout to my local record stores here in South Florida USA. @techniquerecords & @radioactiverecords
Disappointed that the Rane mp-2015 wasn’t working. Smh.
Result of a chop shop that tech12
It’s the Red Bull limited edition mk7… just realised I said mk5 🤣
Well, until you’re looking under their skirts they are pretty similar 😁
Remember comparing mk7 and plx 1000,, 😳 also my mk2 I believe.
No brainer. Plx1000 all day long.
@@ingenfestbremsMK2 all day long!
Too bad there was no varia instruments RDM40… I think it sound better then the condesa lucia
Good video, but! The speakers used are good but hardly the best there is! And our ears are easily fooled especially in a room with sub par acoustics! And if five people listen to different mixers they probably often believe that the one that has the loudest output sounds the best even if its audio quality isnt the highest!
If only the Euphonia had a crossfader.
when you've a rotary mixer in front of you a crossfader shows itself as 'an unwelcome guest' ;)
always useful, and wish i was there for this one.
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