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I haven't played the Warm4 but as far as I know they sound the same. The Xone 96 though, I know for a fact has different (hotter) preamps and also different EQ crossover points than the the 92 so the sound should be a slight improvement there. They have also changed up the filter structure a bit. In the end I would go for whichever one fits your workflow - do you like mixing rotary or more traditional? Also, the 96 is a very large mixer takes up a lot of space so that is something to keep in mind.

@@valdemar_sound 96 have interface, it is hotter than 92...

You're joking

@@midclock Have you done the comparison in person or are you just going by the TH-cam video?

@@riod2020 I'm commenting the video, as most of the people here. Edit: I listened to the comparison again, the differences are minimal .. I guess that by *in person" you mean listening to the difference being right there, in front of two speakers. Well in my opinion you're adding another variable into the game: your speakers and how they're amplified. Using earphones that factor is excluded. The only way I'm aware of is to make a measurement, instead of giving a personal opinion depending on too many factors. The audio from one, or the other mixer can be reversed in phase, then summed to the other mixer recording: what's left are the differences between the two mixers, where a flat line (no signal) equals to no differences. The point is the following: even if there's a tiny-iny difference, am I going to use all the features of the allen & heat, or miss it's EQ character? If the answer is "no", then choose the Ecler, as nobody, you included would probably hear any difference. . The only test to do is the one mentioned before...if they're equal, we can stop the discussion. I used to do these things, search for the best sounding mixer, etc etc. I've changed my mind now, DJing is about selection, technique. Leave the audio setup to professionals that can take decisions without being biased.

@@midclock & you say I’m joking 🤣

@@riod2020 please read my edit

Cheers! Yes, definitely a taste thing.

96 has much lowder preamps yh, no tracks i like you have to put gain on max, its very balanced and loud

It is specifically a vinyl test - the RIAA curve is part of what makes mixers sound different from each other. Usually that's where the biggest differences are so that's why I felt it was more interesting to test. But yes, if you are only playing digital files, the video might not be all that relevant for you.

I did not, this video showcases the mixers own preamps.

The 96 build quality is crap...the one I had had different levels on each channel and the left and right volumes didn't match on each channel either.....there's a video on YT about it as well.

​@@Dee.J.Mogfry "The 96 build quality is crap...the one I had had different levels on each channel and the left and right volumes didn't match on each channel either.....there's a video on YT about it as well." Maybe you had a lemon. The Condesas seem to commonly measure with about several times the distortion + noise to a Xone 96. Analog Xones tend to have fairly tight tolerances on channel matching, too, though their phono preamps have historically been high capacitance, ostensibly to 'warm' the sound, but more likely for noise rejection purposes. Higher capacitance, though, shouldn't necessarily influence even something like phono cartridge channel balance, rather more commonly the filter effect roll off with the cart''s inherent inductance and maybe a little electrical resonance effect.

@Reticuli it was a lemon for sure....I rang up A&H and questioned them about this and they seemed put out by what I said and told me their QC has never been better...lololololol....BS! The A&H mixers made in the UK are known to be better sounding and better build...it is fact that when stuff is moved over to China for production, equipment has cheaper and not as well matched components put in and less testing the moment you walk out of the door... I know how this industry works....that's why in house production is the best, and that goes for most industries as well and not just hifi.

@@Dee.J.Mogfry Funny how that's the case for electronics but not for athletic shoes. China has some crazy advanced shoe making capabilities. Even New Balance here in the states admitted the USA couldn't make shoes as well as China can... and not just the quasi slave labor aspect, but the equipment they've developed there.

So you got that all from a low quality yt vid with no a/b testing with the same record.... I can categorically tell you thst the ecler is better.... I've had 5 eclers and 2 A&H and the only good A&H mixers were the older ones made in the UK....I spoke to one of the directors at A&H amd he was trying to tell me QC had improved since moving production to China...what a load of bollox lol...I had the Xone 96 for a week till I sent it back due to the stereo signals and output levels being different on each channel....total joke!

@@Dee.J.Mogfry there is ab testing with the same record. watch the video

@@Dee.J.Mogfry Yes,My 96 channel is unbalanced too. I thought it was an independent incident, but not to be. Shit quality.Only made in the UK are of good quality.

Then you don't get the point of a rotary....you shouldn't really be in this comments page

Says the person that doesn't get the point of a rotary.

Eh? It's a recording plus he never done a comparison with the same tune on both decks...reference headphones lol...which ones lol..

I think they are great, generally. Still think old school (MK2-5) Technics have the edge though.

@@valdemar_sound thanks for the reply, trying to decide between them and mk2 technics!

@@conorw1989 I have owned the RP7000 MK2 twice in recent times and for the price point and the fact that it can be purchased new is a very decent turntable for DJing once it's paired with decent carts. I would buy them over used/over priced Technics any day.

Thanks for the info it helps

Totalmente de acuerdo. Yo pienso que ECLER es el rey en los medios y medios altos. En las etapas de potencia ECLER también tiene un sonido especial sobre sus competidores, al menos en las que conozco ( PAM, APA, etc. ) de los 90's y 2000 y pico😂. Anclado en la clase AB y H de Ecler, Crest Audio, Crown, Carver... Bueno su comentario.

❤ awesome

That doesn't surprise me. I tested an old Ecler Mac 90v vs a Mastersounds Radius with an instant A/B test again and again and there was no audible difference.

Not sure how you came to this conclusion, I have an Xone 96 & just bought an Ecler Warm 2 & would say it’s the complete opposite, Xone 96 bass is so much tighter, more controlled & punchy & overall has a lot more transparency & detail, Ecler bass sounds horrible by comparison, it’s sounds muddy & distorted, even worse in the mix, it’s night & day, the Ecler hasn’t impressed me at all, you get what you pay for, 9 times out of 10….

Sure, drop me a message and I'll let you know how to send me one.

The Radio Shack mixer?

Lol...wtf are you go on about lol...

To be fair I'm a bit underwhelmed - the quality control does not impress me as jacks are angled unevenly and the markings on knobs don't line up correctly in neutral position - stuff like that. I have no idea about the components themselves but the assembly has disappointed me.

@@valdemar_sound I noticed on the nuo sound was leaking from one of the other channels. You’d never hear it in practice - as you needed to crank the headphones higher than you ever would, but I returned it and bought a Rodec. It’s way too big for my needs these days so am searching for a 2 channel and hence was excited to see Ecler back in the game again.

only time will tell, it's metal and it feels nice but the knobs above the isolator are wobbly which many find pychologically disconcerting during performances and just in general

@@DavidSpittle Mackie d.2.

I own a Nuo 3.0 for about 10 years now, and it's true for the Nuo too that the pots don't align. They also jiggle a little. The rec output broke some years ago, but apart from that it works perfectly still. And it's seen a lot of action. So if you can live with the aesthetics flaws, I don't think it's bad build quality TBH. I'm a little sad tho that they don't pay attention to the little details tho.

still cant understand is it video sound quality or they really sound pretty much the same. xone is noticeably better but the difference is not that big

i got xone92 and it sounds so much better than ecler

Pretty much, for all intents and purposes, yeah. But there are a few differences and different values when looking over the spec sheets.

I personally use Ortofon DJ MK2 but the Orotofon Club are great if you have the budget for them!

​@@valdemar_sound Imo the MKII Club sucked ass, worst cartridge I've ever heard. _Very_ overdriven highs which sound completely unnatural and very harsh compared to my AT VM540ML which is my go to reference. On very worn records they sound alright on first glance but the highs are still distorted and you're better off boosting with something which retrieves the detail accurately instead of doing whatever this cartridge does to the sound. I've since switched to an old Stanton 680 with an aftermarket Jico stylus (which apparently aren't even as good as the originals) and it's almost indiscernible except for the highest highs having just a tiny bit less sparkle, but you wouldn't hear this on any club system anyway.

Eh? The eclers are good and I've own 5....but they are no way in the same league as a condesa! I've got a mastersounds 4v with uprated psu....I think they are better...

distortion city

@@Reticuli which mixer?

@BenDover-eo2nj Chevy chase thumb nail and the Uk's only famous porn star name.... That's very troll worthy lol. If you are into mixing, the mastersounds mixers are just as good and a lot cheaper.

​@@Dee.J.Mogfry The Condesa is crazy high distortion. Apparently designed like that to have a euphonic sound like using tubes, without the tubes.

The fuzzy, drivey sound of the Xone is really clear in this comparison. Dunno if Id call the Ecler "warmer", but definitely "clearer". Super interesting.

@@ericpeters0n The fuzzy drivey sound? Wtf are you on about lol..

@@Dee.J.Mogfry Don't mind me, just a professional mixing and mastering engineer....

@@ericpeters0n it's OK...I've only got a £28.000 dj set up and a £6000 av set up...I don't know anything either...lol I also find sound engineers the most awkward people to speak to as well.???

@@Dee.J.Mogfry Cool cool, I'm sure your setup is stellar! If some of that cash went into decent monitoring and room treatment -and if you haven't completely fried your ears over the years! :P-- if you A/B it, you'll notice the Xone 96 def has a 'sound' to it.... which I was endeavoring to describe. Can't see any reason a fine gentlemen with your bank account and obvious charm would take that personally ;)

Yeah, there's no way the Warm2 will replace my 96 - but that isn't the reason I got it. The form factor is fun and it brings something else to the table and I see myself bringing this along to smaller parties where a 96 is too bulky, and just for the fun factor. It's a great option for someone wanting to dip their feet in rotary on a budget.

I haven't played the 23C myself but owned several Xone mixers and it seems like incredible value at a great price to me. Keep in mind they do different things, but for someone buying their first mixer or is also looking for an interface, I would recommend the 23C. The Warm2 is more of a niche product.

the Ecler blows the cheap Xone away....the 96 isn't a very impressive to be honest either.

lol....it's a recording you're listening to.... what the hell does stronger and more powerful mean lololololol.... Im guessing the Ecler was recorded on its own soundcard and the Ecler on a different soundcard.... you can't compare like that either....

@@djdeejdjay8669 dude wtf u even talking about

@thchris what you even talking about?