The funny thing is that most writers who try to do Superman think he needs to be massively flawed, edgy and out of controll. Which is why you get stuff Injustice Superman or Zack Snyder's interpretation. And I personally hate when Superman is written like that (Red Son, Invincible and the Boys I'd say are the exception because they make it compelling). Give me more stuff like All-Star Superman, Superman Vs the Elite, Alan Moore's "For The Man That Has Everything", Justice League, etc.
@@leithaziz2716 I mean for Zack snyder's sups it does make sense for man of steel considering that's supposed to be his beginning, after man of steel is when it should have stopped.
19:20 my theory: Ben doesn’t have the best idea on who the faces are, he’s going on 60 aliens now… how often do you think he looks in the mirror to see their faces in alien form? 🤔 Atleast with the holograms he could see the bodies, we can see our bodies without a mirror. 😳and he had a lot of time to get used to the 10 silhouettes in classic…. crazy theory but I don’t think the writers would have taken all that into account 😂
Yeah and half the time he just stairs into he's enemies while selecting an alien WITHOUT ACTUALLY LOOKING DOWN AT THE OMNITRIX so he just selects it and hits it
THIS is how Ben should be written if we're talking about experienced Ben, I also like Kuro's idea of Ben learning to give up the idea of control in UA which is my personal headcanon for why he's so calm and fun-loving in OV he stopped caring about control and just goes with the flow and does what he believes Is right, despite all his perfection in the eyes of others he's still a kid who wants to have fun (unintentional theme song joke lol)
Dagon was defeated, Vilgax was nowhere to be seen and Ben got the official omnitrix. He had no reason but to chill out and enjoy life since there was no major threat (until Malware returns after 5 years)
that's the reason why Classic and OV have my fav theme songs from this franchise "he's the baddest kid to save your day" and "he's a kid who wants to have fun but if u need a superhero he will get the job done" perfectly tell us who Ben is
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Yet, Ben grows out of that and learns thought out UAF that it's not always that simple. I look OV but it flip flops what they want Ben to be
On the topic of the Proto Truck: I have a feeling the very thought out way it transformed was a skill learned from Transformers Animated, since that series also tackled vehicles that transformed (only with them becoming alien robots and not spaceships) and Derrick J Wyatt worked on both Transformers Animated and Ben 10 Omniverse. This could just be me drawing connections since I’ve been watching Transformers Animated as of late
A lot of the robots in TFA have very well-detailed transformations that the toys replicate 1-to-1, despite the challenges of adapting Derrick's sleek, streamlined style into plastic. And, like a lot of Transformers shows from the 2000s, TFA had both fast-paced in-situ transformations, and more detailed and elaborate stock footage transformations.
@023 Studios What's actually really interesting is that the last few episodes of animated use the same four chords that make up the Omniverse theme. I went back recently and was really surprised to hear the exact same set of notes there.
Honestly if they didnt wanna have Ben youse his car they could have just blow it up in the first episode, and then have him say somthing like "...so THATS how Kevin feels like...."
@@aktivniigomes1989 Ore that there where more then one option. Ore heck give the Car a heroic sendoff by him actifley crashing it into Zed and then it explodes wich is what forces Zed too flee and Kiber too comment that Ben is a more worthy pray then he assumed, still able too be resrucfull and smart without the watch. That also just puts Ben into a better light
I like the power scaling that they play with in special delivery. It's like the writers acknowledging that Ben is passed dealing with petty criminals, so they were like "ok so Ben is far too good at his job to be on the ropes with a D class criminal... 20 D class criminals may give him trouble though."
I love the handling of villains in that episode. Might just be a me thing but the more villains a hero has, the better it is. And seeing so many in one episode, not exactly teaming up but just being present is cool. I actually rewatched that episode today. You can notice villains in the background at the auction before they even make their official debutes, like Darkstar and Exo-Skull. Which makes me wonder, was he there to get the Dwarf Star for Maltruant? If that was planned that's actually genius.
@@erikpng woah I didn’t even think about Exo Skull getting the Dwarf Star for Maltruant. I’d imagine that would be planned since Ben 10K mentioned the Time War like five episodes earlier.
My idea for Rook using contractions is that when you want to impress someone who is supposed to be really tough and powerful you tend to be more grandiose and you might swear more and that's what Rook is doing, trying to look tough to impress Ben but he stops trying at some point. That is my head canon.
@@othervids3726 Ben is being chill more than the myth they told him This guy beat Dagon Ultimate criminal like Greg and beat vilgax multiple times He stop highbreed war and save the universe I would imagine Ben be someone super serious and epic as well
@@MR.K-x8i he never beat Greg, that was Kevin. But yeah, most other stuff he’s done or is capable of. And he was super serious in AF seasons 1-2, which I wish they kept consistent after those two seasons.
Superman has some great stories despite how powerful he is, either by having him going against things he normally doesn't, trying to be normal and have him be with his family, or him helping out others less powerful than him. Kal is far from boring.
I still find him to be boring There's other characters that do the "superman" archetype better than superman in my opinion. Not saying you can't work it I'm just saying the original template has been improved upon since.
@@chrishansen1842 If you just mean the strong man who flies archetype, then no, it hasn't. None of them have ever actually addressed what Superman represents. They've just been flying aliens. The closest I can think of is Invincible and, really, that's just surface level. He's more like Goku mixed with Spider-Man but clearly takes heavy inspiration from Superman.
Honestly i think omniverse deserves all its episodes to have long full detail breakdowns, not just because of the arcs but because it would help more people realize how good this series was for the franchise, omniverse really deserves that
As great as that would be, Kuro already explained why he isn't doing that in an earlier video. He'll cover the most important episodes, but Omniverse has 80 episodes, and not every one warrants a full Breakdown.
If it's any consolation, some of these episodes are the first time I'm experiencing them, and I've been really enjoying them. That doesn't speak of the whole show's run obviously, but they've got something going here and they've been doing a good job so far. At the end of the day, that's worth something.
Exactly, Ben can be powerful and intriguing without sacrificing his character. Also, and I'm sick of people saying this, Superman is neither all powerful nor all perfect, he fights characters more powerful than him all the time and, providing he has a good writer, he can be compelling. But we can have introspective looks at both him and Ben, if the writers would stop forgetting development in favor of nonsense.
Or that they got creative with their villains. As A LOT OF TIMES, Superman ends up going against different flavours of "super powered alien / kryptonian" (or if not that, someone who can steal or copy superman's powers), "mad scientist" or "kryptonite related villain". With Mr. Mxyzptlk and Manchester Black being the anamolies (that Mxy gets ignored for being considered too goofy). Have superman going against i don't know, someone who can control water,
@@ianr.navahuber2195 Agreed, why don't they use Parasite and Metallo more and Lex Luthor less? (Seriously, what was going on with that guy in Batman VS Superman? It was weird). I mean, I like Luthor but use him less and Darkseid got shafted by the DCEU.
@@bobsav76 Oh... The live action movies are worse offenders. The villain almost 90% of the time minimum is Lex Luthor or Evil Kryptonian (which is either Zod or a Superman clone). We barely started getting out of that guter With Darkseid and Steppenwolf. The Anímated films offer a little more of variety given Brainiac, Parasyte and The elite have appeared but still suffer of lack of variety to a Degree At least vary a little more and have Bizarro, Toyman or Mentallo. Daré a little more and use others like Ultra Humanite, Blanque, Livewire or something more varied
Superman is supremely misunderstood. The common moniker is that he's a god living among men and trying not to break them but it isn't even that much. He's just a guy trying to uphold the values his parents taught him and do good by serving as a symbol to inspire people to be their best selves because he truly believes there's good in everyone. He's incredibly and has had to learn a lot over the years and is constantly having to balance what he CAN do vs what he feels he SHOULD do to serve as a symbol of hope. In all this he has to interact with so many different hero and human idealogies, navigate politics, deal with massive space plots concerning his origins, and just in general encounter threats far FAR above his paygrade.
I've kind of always felt that Rook's use of contractions early on was like how military people or sailors swear a bunch. However, whenever Rook learns that that's not how Ben talks, he stops using "foul language" to relate to him
Small thing I really love about the Gravattack transformation, as well as some of the other new transformations in OV, is that Ben says “who’s this?” emphasis on the “who,” which is just a small way of showing how he sees his aliens as their own sort of living creatures, maybe in part after the ultimate sacrifice
I think they should've focused more on dealing with Ben's insecurities and drive to do the right thing then always resetting him. Yes, I know the Ben 10 brand isn't supposed to be that deep for a mainly toyetic franchise, but Ben is the main protag, his character should've had more layers than what his was given.
Especially in his third iteration. This is the closest we will probably ever get to ben right before he becomes adult ben 10k. At this point his problems should shifting more so to the problem we see ben 10k face. Like that one classic episode where we see that ben10k sucks ass at managing his lifestyle. After going through so much, character growth should have been given. Giving him a newbie partner that has to see how ben 10 operates is a good way of keeping some sense of status quo just through rook not ben. After that tho they should have shown how actively ben helps people instead of just "beat x bad guy". Which they actually do show here and there. In this stage ben 10's mature enough to make more significant changes, like he did with the hybrid in AF. As well as living up to the expectation of the "universe saving hero". We also see him get arrogance from it, but you could easily show what it's like when he doesn't meet up to those expectations and how kind of past that ben should be. Show ben come to terms that even with all his powers he's still human, he'll still fail sometimes. Omniverse is probably my favorite out of prime ben, but it still had so much potential. I think that's why ben 10's fanbase never dies. There's so much there that never got fully utilized so as a community we discuss these things to get them out there. Like imagine if as kuro said ben 10 had started to evolve undertown, and in the season or series finale that came altogether into undertown helping him after realizing all that he did for them. I feel like at this point ben should be like superman. He's uber powerful and fully developed as a character, but he still has to keep sticking to his values to change the world around him. He still has growth, but it isn't the same old lessons, it's lesson that are more in the grey area. Lessons that are more real and well human. He faces situations where his godlike abilities won't do anything, his humanity and experience as a hero will.
Oh damn Heatblast is on fire 🔥 16:31 he does look crazy good. The art is so detailed and the fire is animated in such a way it feels like living breathing (you know what I mean) fire. This isn't something I registered when it aired, but we seriously get robbed in future episodes.
CN did cut the budget off for the show. so they had to work with the budget they had left. All things considered by the end of it the animation was still solid.
Something I've noticed after watching the recent episodes covered is that the music and its use has been great so far. We don't really talk about music much in Ben 10 outside of the main theme, but you can really tell they went a step further with Omniverse's composition. It went over my radar at first, but now it's really noticable.
I kinda take Ben’s initial unwillingness to try to change forms after a mistake as him worrying about the larger issue. He can’t trust the Omnitrix rn to give him the form he wants (it can still be learning about Ben which is why it gets better later) but it can also run into problems where he can turn into Way Big in a narrow alley or get into an argument with Alien X after changing into molestache. Given him not fully knowing what would happen and the possible problems if he tries in the heat of battle he tries to make do with the form he gets and banks on a short transformation window for a better chance to try again.
Totally head cannon but I like the idea Rook turns up on earth wanting to seem like this cool badass that swears all the time, but it just kind of falls off when he gets used to Ben
"Using contractions is not considered swearing on this world? Well....shit, I have been acting edgy for no reason! I should stop before I am noticed..."
Damn, I've always dug OV Heatblast's design but SHEEEEEEEEEEEEESH at 15:11 the LIGHTING and COLOURS, my god, my eyes have been blessed as a Heatblast fan!
Hey Kuro! I've been dealing with health/heart issues for almost a month now. It's scary, I'm a young guy and don't want to feel this way, but watching your breakdowns have made me cheer up, keep my hopes up, and have something to look forward to every week. Please keep it up :) Don't stop doing what you do
It wasn’t until these Breakdowns that I realized how well Omniverse at first was able to bridge the gap between UAF. Besides the Flashbacks nearly all the aliens Teen Ben uses are UAF aliens. Lodestar, Spidermonkey, all but one Andromeda Alien, Clockwork. Besides the new OV aliens he’s used almost all UAF aliens which makes sense since even after reunlocking everything he’d rarely use any classic aliens. The only Classic aliens he’s used so far has been Cannonbolt and Heatblast which UAF Ben did frequently use. Has been doing an excellent job continuing from UAF since younger viewers likely wouldn’t have ever seen Classic and wouldn’t recognize any aliens Teen Ben hasn’t used.
I personally think that going back to the status quo is part of Ben's personality. I met many people, including me, that are that way in some things. I broke up with my best friend because he was very violent, he proposed to change, he did therapy, he did meditation, he realized how his attitude had ruined his life, he actually changed, and years later he was the same person again. I don't think people don't change, but I do believe some people can't change. And Ben is only 16 years old, as much as he has saved the universe he doesn't have the mental maturity to change his way of thinking permanently. Especially since he never does it consciously. Whenever his personality changes it is because the universe needs it and not because he wants it. He feels more like he knows how he has to behave in certain situations, but not something he really wants to do.
Sometimes it's just easier to act like you have your entire life, it's like a coping mechanism kinda, so to me it makes sense that Ben reverts after his closest friends leave him, then after he re-creates the universe it just sort of sticks, Ben's kinda like Deadpool in that way, he uses comedy and immaturity to cover up his guilt so that he can pretend that the weight of the world isnt constantly on his shoulders
I'll always prefer the original series transformations, but I do like how in this series Ben does physically transform pretty quickly while still being there. Just so much more grounded than an animation , or a flash of green light.
With the way the streets that Clockwork was chasing the Megawatts are drawn, makes me think that the part of Bellwood Ben and Rook were patrolling is the same place that Prisoner 775 threw a truck at Humungousaur.
I feel they couldve redone the heros journey with a teacher student arc. Like ben teaching rook the hero business but also under estimating him. So when ben gets captured by himself he feels he has to do everything himself and refuses help because to him he hasnt taught rook how to deal with those types of situations. But later on its rook and whatever other help that ends up saving ben letting ben relearn teamwork without makin it feel like hes just egotistical but rather be more trusting of his new partner. Plus part of becoming a master in most shows is being able to teach someone so it wouldve been intersting if we got more of that with an experienced ben
There needs to be a Rook Contraction counter, just for the sake figuring out how long it takes for him to kick his Revonnahgander swearing habit(but in actuality just so that way we can start to see where Bumper Robinson got a good grasp on the character, I think it be neat)
With how weird Ben 10 transformations get I always wanted to see Ben get either a three headed six armed form or a form that has like thousands of limbs thanks to the ability of limb manipulation. In other words I kinda want to see a transformation that can like shapeshift to a limited degree and choose how many heads, legs, arms or what type of legs and arms they get. What would you call a transformation with limb manipulation?
I’m not sure but that kind of reminds me of Nezha, who’s been seen in Chinese mythology as a yaojing/yaoguai (demon) before. And he, along with Guanyin, who also has a lot of limbs, comes from Buddhism, where a lot of Indian gods had a lot of limbs. Nezha himself could gain two other heads for a three head form, alongside having six arms. So while idk what you would _call_ such a transformation, I think it’d be cool to base it off of Buddhist characters a little bit. :oooo
So happy that my favorite Omniverse episode got a great score and I agree with you on how Ben was portrayed in this episode, really like everything in this episode and can't wait for the next breakdown
Omniverse may be the most or secondmost rewatchable series because of the multiple stories it tells and it peaks so many characters before the end. It feels like this is a lets see how far we've come type of season in comparison to the others. Also, Fistrick at this point feels like a C tier enemy and then he becomes a high C, low B tier when hes able to get off world. He has his own henchmen, his plans involve high tech, and he's a charismatic threat physically, then when he gets off world he is able to effect and entire society with what hes doing.
10:15 I think another way they could've written Ben's initial relationship with Rook is how he's struggling to adjust to being without Gwen and Kevin. Maybe instead of having him be inexplicably stupid during the first couple fights, they could've shown how Ben isn't used to fighting on his own or with Rook yet. Like he leaves gaps in his attacks because he expects Kevin to charge in, or lets himself get hit because he's so used to having Gwen's shields there to protect him. They could even play up Rook's lone wolf strategy, where he's very talented but because he's focussed on efficiency he doesn't communicate well enough with Ben and opts for more standard Plumber tactics. To complete the arc, Ben acknowledge's that Rook might be able to fill the hole left behind by Kevin and Gwen and agrees to work with him. He'll help Rook get some field experience and loosen up, as long as Rook actually communicates his strategies to Ben.
I don't remember why but this episode is one of my favorite episodes. When I think of Omniverse the montage of Ben and Rook looking for trouble is one of the first things that come to mind
The point you made made me think that Omniverse should’ve gone in a route where you see him slowly become like Ben 10,000, so powerful that the drama is based in his relationships as a result of his new found strength
I personally think that the reason Ben stayed in Clockwork is due to the fact he has only used him for the powers and that he wanted to see how physically better than a human he is.
Neat little detail I noticed when I watched this episode recently: When Ben is chasing after the Megawatts and goes to select XLR8, it seems like he briefly tries to interact with the Official Omnitrix like he would the Ultimatrix before swiftly realizing his mistake and doing it properly.
24:19 I like That theory. like when you have a new cellphone, you don't want to fuck with it cause you're afraid to mess it up, but eventually you just gain confidence and start treating it with less care. Also, it also could add that he comes from the ultimatrix, a broken piece of shit that was constantly failing and the last time he fucked with the omnitrix he mutated Kevin, so it could also make sense for him to be a little careful with the new omnitrix
Honestly I never thought of Megawatts being antagonists. They aren't evil like Gremlins, they're just being themselves and don't really seem to notice that they're hurting people.
Eeehhh, they seem to notice. They hurt people and destroy things then laugh directly at the people they harm. They're pretty much like gremlins except they might not be _evil_ but instead like energetic children. They can tell when they're being abused and will ask for help from a hero by causing trouble, which means they can tell what being good and bad means.
I really liked this episode. It does a really good job of developing Ben and Rook’s growing dynamic and it was nice to see the Nosedeenians actually get a happy ending as opposed to their debut episode where they ended up imprisoned as part of a tourist attraction. One particular moment that stands out to me for some reason is when Rook initially shoots at Fistrick’s mech, but Ben stops him out of concern for the Megawatts. Though Omniverse has moments of portraying Ben less competent and/or more insensitive than I’d like, its episodes like this where he feels like the most balanced version of himself in terms of being a level-headed hero who seeks to do what’s right while also being laid back and snarky.
The writers had a set plan for ben's character and storylines set up but cartoon network kept on meddling and telling them to make ben unmature and more like 10-11 year old ben.
@@legendarylancers7446 Apparently it wasn't just them making it. Apparently they had a large list of mandates for them to follow which included not including aliens that didn't sell as well (Chromastone) and connecting it to OG
@@legendarylancers7446 Lmao they didn't want anything to be better than their dear precious Original Series that they made every other season constantly throwback to the original show because they were scared the fans wouldn't like it. And what do you know, Ben 10 fans were exactly like that
@@KraylebStudios Facts they where obsessed with classic series, and they had every series afterwards suffer from that, and Ominverse was so obsessed with this that the whole series is dedicated to erase the work UAF done there's a whole era to reworking Kevin's past💀 it's ridiculous, I have no issue with them paying respect for a classic series but it completely ruins most of Ben's character and creates wild plot holes and recons
After seeing Fistrick in a lot of OV episodes I've realized he's quite similar to Bane from Batman similar appearances and whilst not necessarily having powers they are quite strong for a human
I never had a problem with Ben dealing with street villains because, realistically, how many times they fight a villain of Vilgax or even Dr. Animo's level? I REALLY doubt that they have to fight that kind of villains daily. I also think that Rook using contraptions at the beginning is like his way to try to get Ben to accept him as his new partner
Honestly I feel like having some street-level threats showing up every now and then is needed, if just to catch a breath and give us variety. When you keep upping the ante and adding bigger and bigger threats or making huge apocalyptic events, it kinda becomes exhausting and repetitive and harder to feel invested. Dragon Ball Z and the MCU both suffer from this issue in my opinion.
Ben feels more down to Earth bcz of that, gives a feeling that he will be there to save u even if the villain is not that powerful, just like Spiderman he also deals with street level villains like Shocker
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Well, the comparison isn't quite good because Spider-Man IS a street-level hero (albeit a very powerful one), so him mostly dealing with street-level villains makes sense. Ben meanwhile has never been down to Earth as a character; even in the Original series where he did stick on Earth and occasionally fought criminals, his stories were mostly about fighting crazy alien/magic stuff. He's really more akin to Flash or Green Lantern in that area. With that said, comparison aside you do have a point.
This is why a sequel show of Ben teaching ken and then ken spiraling off into his own hero past season 1 would have been dope -- same lessons, different characters (could even have had ken do fusions and Ben prefer natural aliens since he never even liked ultimates really)
Omniverse at night time is so visually beautiful (Heatblast looks the best he’s ever looked in this episode). Really wish we got more Omniverse episodes set at night time
Nosedeenians also get a good deal of protection helping with Undertown. It's kinda like... free-range power? Also I love the Omni-tool's versatility, that part with the slashing seems more like a "Nullifier" or "Disruptor" function, disabling mechanical function for whatever it passes through, likely being a good deal of hydraulics and such to even lift a bulky arm like that
Love Gravattack’s debut & the Megawatts gotta be my favorite species they’re always so entertaining. Fistrick isn’t my favorite but he’s still fun so overall loved this episode
The musical montage while Ben and Rook are in 'pursuit of criminals' sounds very similar to Bonnie Tylers "Holding Out for a Hero". Obviously, it's their own rendition of it, but doing the side by side comparison, it sounds very similar.
I don't know much about Chronosapien lore but I haven't found much on their history from the wiki. I like to imagine that, being largely mechanical, they were created by some powerful beings to be guardians over time, or something like that, which explains why they're so restrained in their power use.
Stinkfly having pupils is a godsend toward getting people to actually realize that THOSE are his eyes. With the classic design, even thought I know the stalks are his eyes, my brain always perceives the omnitrix badge as being his eye.
Timestamp 19:40- Clockwork is technically Ben's fastest alien, so if he had figured out how to use him, he would have easily beat the Megawatts to the warehouse.
I am not so sure, clockwork is not really fast, what we saw him do eventually is slow down time for others so on their eyes he is moving fast but he is actually just moving normally, so it would be as hard for him to run that long even if have that power on.
I remember watching this episode and being like, "Oh, the Megawatts are back, that's pretty neat." I'll give Omniverse credit, it does bring back things from previous series and expand on them, well, except for the Limax.
lol it always makes me laugh that despite being one of the few villains who explicitly had a sequel hook in their debut episode *and* being hinted to have a bigger role in the future, the Limax never came back at all.
I was just re-watching the "which aline art is best" video and this came in🎉 Time to enjoy (which i know i will as usual) Keep up the great work!! And A new look i see,kuro.
It's nice of the show to depict the Megawatts in a sympathetic light, because looking back at their episode in Classic and based on how aliens nowadays are portrayed as people who should be treated with respect, it's kinda messed up that they were trapped and made into a tourist attraction.
5:36 Uh… Ben? You forgot the big electric alien you got in space last year? You know, the one you got from Dr. Viktor that helped you beat Zs’Skayr for a second time? You know, the ELECTRIC alien?
This episode was the episode that I liked omniverse and continue watching it through out the franchise, it's nice to see Ben getting is character building up and Ben and rook being good as a duo
let’s gooooo every day i am terrified of when the omniverse episode won’t get a breakdown but i am so glad we are getting these full breakdowns! keep up the good work kuro these videos are amazing to watch!
Growing up, Derek J. Wyatt's art design was my entire world. Teen Titans, Transformers Animated, even Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated. Wyatt's designs always manage to hook me. I really miss him.
I agree with pretty much everything you said, Kuro! & I love Gravattack, his powers, his design, his personality, and voice in later episodes! & Ben in this episode is So good & I wish he was like this in the later eps more, but Ben in OV overall is pretty consistent, tbh!! This breakdown is great not only cuz all the breakdowns are good, but also cuz, Kuro, you said ALOT of things I agree with, you voiced some of my opinions!
One of my favourite episodes. I love these more "Plumber-central" episodes with an actual mission. And also love Gravattack and how Ben was handled as well. I think Clockwork didnt even use his powers because later on he doesnt seem to know what Clockwork is even capable of. Anyway, happy Pride month Kuro!
yeah its sadly something I saw in Pokemon, where Ash was inconsistent episode to episode sometimes arc to arc. It was also a big problem with dragon ball gt, where to make the villains a threat they had to nerf/weaken the main character. If Ben or any hero has become a more confident and competent hero, then make the bad guys or create bad guys that can challenge them or face them in different ways. Expand the universe, have other villains be like Psyphon and have them come back with counter measures for some of Ben's aliens. It always sucks when any show cartoon anime live action makes it's characters hold the idiot ball, or be the source of the morale of the story regardless of continuity or if it fits the character.
same here, he's mostly chill which he should be after all the things he's done but at the same time has to face even stronger threats than before, like the end of his entire universe
If we make comparisons to this episode with "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad Ben World." In that Ben is so immature, irresponsible and incompetent with the Omnitrix that it makes Ben 23 seem sensible and serious like AF Ben.
Im so glad this got a full breakdown, this has been my favourite episode of Omniverse for most of my time with the show. It gets Bens character right, it looks fantastic, the Megawats come back in a cool way, Gravattack is awesome´and Ben and Rook's partner relationship feels fresh and is written well.
A small inconsistency is that when water is leaking into the robot suit, Fisttricks spikes are slightly drooping but after he gets out out of the robot they’re perfectly straight again
@@yashjoshi6168 Maybe OV had more time to develop then? Cause a lot of UA seems to be because the episodes were made in a limited amount of time (reused designs, lack of backgrounds, constant reuse of the same transformation clip)
Honestly this was the first episode I watched back around the time it first aired, if it weren't for this episode I probably would've never considered binging the show whenever I could.
In the original series, I always thought the megawatts dividing was more reproduction than ditto like cloning. Since you never see them going back into one.
I understand that the sentence was written to emphasize the importance of Feedback, but even so when Young Ben says he doesn't have any electrical aliens, he completely forgot about BenVicktor/Frankenstrike as well. I just thought it would be cool to point out this curiosity 😃👍
1:11 I agree to an extent, if the power level the hero gets is measurable and atleast somewhat down to earth, like going from street to city power level, then I agree. But if it's something like Goku who is insane strong and there's barely any noticeable differences between his new and old opponents then nah it's boring. Like how much difference does it make if someone goes from universe to multi verse power level? Can you even showcase it in satisfying way? I'd prefer if villains leveled up more in a thinking capacity and not just becoming God level strong or something
So Rook’s thing with never using contractions is something added in later but it’s played off as a thing that’s been there the whole time? Heat Blast sounding like he has throat cancer is an interesting choice. Ben being so far above the street level crime and even the criminals knowing it would be dumb to screw with him is a nice touch. Also Rook said another contraction when he said “You’re welcome” after he saved Ben with the crane.
9:20 Remember how at the end of 'It's a Mad, Mad, Mad Ben World: Part 2' Ben tells Mad!Rook to drop the contractions, and then Rook shows up to rescue Ben and Ben 23 and 23 immediately notes how Rook is using contractions. Edit: Also, I never picked up on how Rook doesn't use contractions, so my immediate thought when I saw that scene was 'why?' 11:17 DO IT! MAKE THE ROOK SWEARS COUNTER 16:18 The way Heatblast flies in this episode reminds me of how when Starfire flies in the comics, her hair tends to turn into this fire trail.
@InevitableOption-ic2vx It is clear that you have not seen that show, since there Derrick J. Wyatt had no power in the writing team; In fact, Derrick J. Wyatt didn't like when the franchise involved real monsters and supernatural threats and tried to campaign for the removal of the central supernatural Myth Arc and return to the classic "unmask the criminal", but thank God it was overruled. I mean, in "Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated" it has a lot of character development, the episodes are well connected to each other, and the supporting characters and families are very necessary; that is, the complete opposite of Omniverse.
@InevitableOption-ic2vx And? I mean, there's a big problem when the kids from Gravity Falls and DuckTales act more mature and responsible than Omniverse Ben. Hell, even kid Ben took things more seriously and did care about his loved ones that Omniverse Ben.
If wet is defined as the ability to remove water from the surface of something then as long as you have enough water to form a layer 2 molecules thick in any direction, the water is, in fact, wet. So unless you are dealing with a single molecule of water, water is always somewhat wet.
Like it's mentioned below, I always thought Rook's use of contractions at the start of his partnership with Ben was an attempt to connect his new human partner whose species use contractions like they were going out of style, like his use of "Ben Dude" like he initially thought it was some sort of honorific Ben was insisting on. As their partnership deepened (and Rook lost his awe of Ben's "legend," admittedly) Rook reverted to his normal way of speaking as he became more comfortable on Earth even as he went "native" in other ways.
I enjoy your idea of building and adding into undertown. I would love to see a video on how with some tweaks more episodes could contribute to that, even if only a background item or two. Maybe it could cumulate during the incursion war for some nice payoffs. 🤔😁
You know, I like to watch these when I'm animating my Ben 10 animations cuz it helps me keep the powers of the aliens in mind and, I hate silence so I need something to listen too.
with the heatblast shoulder design, i could somewhat see them as getting bigger before erupting like we saw into ben 10k's heatblast, where they just started to enlarge, and the rest of the body isn't used to the wide size, or when they break open for the flames to spill out the shoulders, they'll become more flush once again
I agree with kuro, Stories can be written around already near-perfect and well developed character like superman can be written without nerfing them
I agree aswell when a show can do that, but many shows won't because it's hard to write for those types of characters
Superman generally isn't meant to be perfect. Just perceived that way by the public.
Superman the animated Series is proof of that.
The funny thing is that most writers who try to do Superman think he needs to be massively flawed, edgy and out of controll. Which is why you get stuff Injustice Superman or Zack Snyder's interpretation.
And I personally hate when Superman is written like that (Red Son, Invincible and the Boys I'd say are the exception because they make it compelling). Give me more stuff like All-Star Superman, Superman Vs the Elite, Alan Moore's "For The Man That Has Everything", Justice League, etc.
@@leithaziz2716 I mean for Zack snyder's sups it does make sense for man of steel considering that's supposed to be his beginning, after man of steel is when it should have stopped.
19:20 my theory:
Ben doesn’t have the best idea on who the faces are, he’s going on 60 aliens now… how often do you think he looks in the mirror to see their faces in alien form? 🤔
Atleast with the holograms he could see the bodies, we can see our bodies without a mirror. 😳and he had a lot of time to get used to the 10 silhouettes in classic….
crazy theory but I don’t think the writers would have taken all that into account 😂
Yeah and half the time he just stairs into he's enemies while selecting an alien WITHOUT ACTUALLY LOOKING DOWN AT THE OMNITRIX so he just selects it and hits it
I agree the holograms make it much easier to know who you are selecting.
yeah they actually forgot to add that for futher OV, like i guess at season 3 or 4 Ben just gets used to the faces of the aliens
why azmuth didnt think about ben not looking in the mirror in alien form? a bit weird for the smart in 3 galaxies (arguably 5)
Nice theory, although even with the holograms and silhouettes he still mistransformed
THIS is how Ben should be written if we're talking about experienced Ben, I also like Kuro's idea of Ben learning to give up the idea of control in UA which is my personal headcanon for why he's so calm and fun-loving in OV he stopped caring about control and just goes with the flow and does what he believes Is right, despite all his perfection in the eyes of others he's still a kid who wants to have fun (unintentional theme song joke lol)
Dagon was defeated, Vilgax was nowhere to be seen and Ben got the official omnitrix. He had no reason but to chill out and enjoy life since there was no major threat (until Malware returns after 5 years)
that's the reason why Classic and OV have my fav theme songs from this franchise
"he's the baddest kid to save your day" and "he's a kid who wants to have fun but if u need a superhero he will get the job done" perfectly tell us who Ben is
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Yet, Ben grows out of that and learns thought out UAF that it's not always that simple. I look OV but it flip flops what they want Ben to be
On the topic of the Proto Truck: I have a feeling the very thought out way it transformed was a skill learned from Transformers Animated, since that series also tackled vehicles that transformed (only with them becoming alien robots and not spaceships) and Derrick J Wyatt worked on both Transformers Animated and Ben 10 Omniverse. This could just be me drawing connections since I’ve been watching Transformers Animated as of late
I was about to say that like if you look at the face it kind of looks like bumble bee
A lot of the robots in TFA have very well-detailed transformations that the toys replicate 1-to-1, despite the challenges of adapting Derrick's sleek, streamlined style into plastic.
And, like a lot of Transformers shows from the 2000s, TFA had both fast-paced in-situ transformations, and more detailed and elaborate stock footage transformations.
I mean, it's impossible to say there isn't a connection. Every time you draw in a certain style, you're building skills and solutions with that style.
@023 Studios it has the same composer as animated lol.
@023 Studios What's actually really interesting is that the last few episodes of animated use the same four chords that make up the Omniverse theme. I went back recently and was really surprised to hear the exact same set of notes there.
Honestly if they didnt wanna have Ben youse his car they could have just blow it up in the first episode, and then have him say somthing like "...so THATS how Kevin feels like...."
year, or make that Zed (Khybers dog) transformed into crabdozer and smack the car
@@aktivniigomes1989 Ore that there where more then one option. Ore heck give the Car a heroic sendoff by him actifley crashing it into Zed and then it explodes wich is what forces Zed too flee and Kiber too comment that Ben is a more worthy pray then he assumed, still able too be resrucfull and smart without the watch. That also just puts Ben into a better light
@theglassespro4557 Would still have bein nice if they said it in an acual episode...unless they did and I just cant remember
Damn that would have been the perfect way to cap a running joke
I like the power scaling that they play with in special delivery. It's like the writers acknowledging that Ben is passed dealing with petty criminals, so they were like "ok so Ben is far too good at his job to be on the ropes with a D class criminal... 20 D class criminals may give him trouble though."
I love the handling of villains in that episode. Might just be a me thing but the more villains a hero has, the better it is. And seeing so many in one episode, not exactly teaming up but just being present is cool. I actually rewatched that episode today. You can notice villains in the background at the auction before they even make their official debutes, like Darkstar and Exo-Skull. Which makes me wonder, was he there to get the Dwarf Star for Maltruant? If that was planned that's actually genius.
@@erikpng exo skull does seem pretty planned out as does the time war so I’ll give that up to them
@@ChrisPBacon-zf5gm oh yeah, they mention the time war in Ben Again, which is in the same season (s3). So yeah, probably planned out.
@@erikpng woah I didn’t even think about Exo Skull getting the Dwarf Star for Maltruant. I’d imagine that would be planned since Ben 10K mentioned the Time War like five episodes earlier.
@@othervids3726 well, if we follow the production order it's actually one episode earlier. Ben Again.
Then right after Special Delivery.
My idea for Rook using contractions is that when you want to impress someone who is supposed to be really tough and powerful you tend to be more grandiose and you might swear more and that's what Rook is doing, trying to look tough to impress Ben but he stops trying at some point. That is my head canon.
Stops trying because he loses that respect for Ben. :))
Not totally but he sees how Ben actually is.
I don’t think he ever lost respect for him, he just stopped putting up with Ben’s BS and gradually became one of his best friends by extension
@@othervids3726 Ben is being chill more than the myth they told him
This guy beat Dagon
Ultimate criminal like Greg and beat vilgax multiple times
He stop highbreed war and save the universe
I would imagine Ben be someone super serious and epic as well
@@MR.K-x8i he never beat Greg, that was Kevin. But yeah, most other stuff he’s done or is capable of. And he was super serious in AF seasons 1-2, which I wish they kept consistent after those two seasons.
@@othervids3726He beat Greg’s ass as humongousaur
Superman has some great stories despite how powerful he is, either by having him going against things he normally doesn't, trying to be normal and have him be with his family, or him helping out others less powerful than him. Kal is far from boring.
I'd personally recommend "Superman vs the Elite," Justice League Unlimited's "For the Man Who has Everything," and "Superman Red Son."
@@violeth2255 yeah.
Exactly
I still find him to be boring
There's other characters that do the "superman" archetype better than superman in my opinion. Not saying you can't work it I'm just saying the original template has been improved upon since.
@@chrishansen1842 If you just mean the strong man who flies archetype, then no, it hasn't. None of them have ever actually addressed what Superman represents. They've just been flying aliens. The closest I can think of is Invincible and, really, that's just surface level. He's more like Goku mixed with Spider-Man but clearly takes heavy inspiration from Superman.
Honestly i think omniverse deserves all its episodes to have long full detail breakdowns, not just because of the arcs but because it would help more people realize how good this series was for the franchise, omniverse really deserves that
Sorry but there are definitely episodes that need quick breakdowns
As great as that would be, Kuro already explained why he isn't doing that in an earlier video. He'll cover the most important episodes, but Omniverse has 80 episodes, and not every one warrants a full Breakdown.
If it's any consolation, some of these episodes are the first time I'm experiencing them, and I've been really enjoying them. That doesn't speak of the whole show's run obviously, but they've got something going here and they've been doing a good job so far. At the end of the day, that's worth something.
maybe only the first season, but most dont warrant a full breakdown
Ehh I don’t agree. For instance I don’t think something like “Clyde 5” needs a full breakdown
Exactly, Ben can be powerful and intriguing without sacrificing his character. Also, and I'm sick of people saying this, Superman is neither all powerful nor all perfect, he fights characters more powerful than him all the time and, providing he has a good writer, he can be compelling. But we can have introspective looks at both him and Ben, if the writers would stop forgetting development in favor of nonsense.
Or that they got creative with their villains.
As A LOT OF TIMES, Superman ends up going against different flavours of "super powered alien / kryptonian" (or if not that, someone who can steal or copy superman's powers), "mad scientist" or "kryptonite related villain". With Mr. Mxyzptlk and Manchester Black being the anamolies (that Mxy gets ignored for being considered too goofy).
Have superman going against i don't know, someone who can control water,
@@ianr.navahuber2195 Agreed, why don't they use Parasite and Metallo more and Lex Luthor less? (Seriously, what was going on with that guy in Batman VS Superman? It was weird). I mean, I like Luthor but use him less and Darkseid got shafted by the DCEU.
@@bobsav76 Oh... The live action movies are worse offenders. The villain almost 90% of the time minimum is Lex Luthor or Evil Kryptonian (which is either Zod or a Superman clone).
We barely started getting out of that guter With Darkseid and Steppenwolf.
The Anímated films offer a little more of variety given Brainiac, Parasyte and The elite have appeared but still suffer of lack of variety to a Degree
At least vary a little more and have Bizarro, Toyman or Mentallo.
Daré a little more and use others like Ultra Humanite, Blanque, Livewire or something more varied
@@ianr.navahuber2195 Yeah, if you want to watch something good involving Superman, I'd go with JLU or the animated films.
Superman is supremely misunderstood. The common moniker is that he's a god living among men and trying not to break them but it isn't even that much. He's just a guy trying to uphold the values his parents taught him and do good by serving as a symbol to inspire people to be their best selves because he truly believes there's good in everyone. He's incredibly and has had to learn a lot over the years and is constantly having to balance what he CAN do vs what he feels he SHOULD do to serve as a symbol of hope. In all this he has to interact with so many different hero and human idealogies, navigate politics, deal with massive space plots concerning his origins, and just in general encounter threats far FAR above his paygrade.
19:22 Ben tryna catch the Omnitrix’s mis-transformation off guard and still getting played. Lol
I've kind of always felt that Rook's use of contractions early on was like how military people or sailors swear a bunch. However, whenever Rook learns that that's not how Ben talks, he stops using "foul language" to relate to him
I like this take, maybe during plumber school they went hard on him for the lack of contractions.
Rook constantly swearing like a sailor before joining up with Ben is hilarious
Actually really good point. He was probably trying to fit in with Earth's culture but slowly got used to being himself.
@@dabuff1319That is now CANON.
Maybe, deep down, he's frustrated that he spent years training at the academy only to end up babysitting a human.
Small thing I really love about the Gravattack transformation, as well as some of the other new transformations in OV, is that Ben says “who’s this?” emphasis on the “who,” which is just a small way of showing how he sees his aliens as their own sort of living creatures, maybe in part after the ultimate sacrifice
More Omniverse, let’s go.
Gravattack is my favourite Omniverse new alien, I love his gravity powers.
Same
@Love the demon wolf .#road to1k🐺❤️ oh god fistrick is here
I like how he’s even larger than Humungousaur
For me it's feedback ofc
Me too
I think they should've focused more on dealing with Ben's insecurities and drive to do the right thing then always resetting him. Yes, I know the Ben 10 brand isn't supposed to be that deep for a mainly toyetic franchise, but Ben is the main protag, his character should've had more layers than what his was given.
Especially in his third iteration. This is the closest we will probably ever get to ben right before he becomes adult ben 10k. At this point his problems should shifting more so to the problem we see ben 10k face. Like that one classic episode where we see that ben10k sucks ass at managing his lifestyle. After going through so much, character growth should have been given. Giving him a newbie partner that has to see how ben 10 operates is a good way of keeping some sense of status quo just through rook not ben. After that tho they should have shown how actively ben helps people instead of just "beat x bad guy". Which they actually do show here and there. In this stage ben 10's mature enough to make more significant changes, like he did with the hybrid in AF. As well as living up to the expectation of the "universe saving hero". We also see him get arrogance from it, but you could easily show what it's like when he doesn't meet up to those expectations and how kind of past that ben should be. Show ben come to terms that even with all his powers he's still human, he'll still fail sometimes. Omniverse is probably my favorite out of prime ben, but it still had so much potential. I think that's why ben 10's fanbase never dies. There's so much there that never got fully utilized so as a community we discuss these things to get them out there. Like imagine if as kuro said ben 10 had started to evolve undertown, and in the season or series finale that came altogether into undertown helping him after realizing all that he did for them. I feel like at this point ben should be like superman. He's uber powerful and fully developed as a character, but he still has to keep sticking to his values to change the world around him. He still has growth, but it isn't the same old lessons, it's lesson that are more in the grey area. Lessons that are more real and well human. He faces situations where his godlike abilities won't do anything, his humanity and experience as a hero will.
Oh damn Heatblast is on fire 🔥 16:31 he does look crazy good. The art is so detailed and the fire is animated in such a way it feels like living breathing (you know what I mean) fire. This isn't something I registered when it aired, but we seriously get robbed in future episodes.
CN did cut the budget off for the show. so they had to work with the budget they had left. All things considered by the end of it the animation was still solid.
Something I've noticed after watching the recent episodes covered is that the music and its use has been great so far. We don't really talk about music much in Ben 10 outside of the main theme, but you can really tell they went a step further with Omniverse's composition. It went over my radar at first, but now it's really noticable.
I kinda take Ben’s initial unwillingness to try to change forms after a mistake as him worrying about the larger issue. He can’t trust the Omnitrix rn to give him the form he wants (it can still be learning about Ben which is why it gets better later) but it can also run into problems where he can turn into Way Big in a narrow alley or get into an argument with Alien X after changing into molestache. Given him not fully knowing what would happen and the possible problems if he tries in the heat of battle he tries to make do with the form he gets and banks on a short transformation window for a better chance to try again.
Gravattack is such a badass against fistrick in this episode 😎
His powers is cool and broken at the same time
Totally head cannon but I like the idea Rook turns up on earth wanting to seem like this cool badass that swears all the time, but it just kind of falls off when he gets used to Ben
"Using contractions is not considered swearing on this world? Well....shit, I have been acting edgy for no reason! I should stop before I am noticed..."
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 Lol
I was thinking this too.
Arguably not in character, but undeniably very funny.
Damn, I've always dug OV Heatblast's design but SHEEEEEEEEEEEEESH at 15:11 the LIGHTING and COLOURS, my god, my eyes have been blessed as a Heatblast fan!
I love that the way the flames move on his head. Looks like long luscious hair
Hey Kuro!
I've been dealing with health/heart issues for almost a month now. It's scary, I'm a young guy and don't want to feel this way, but watching your breakdowns have made me cheer up, keep my hopes up, and have something to look forward to every week.
Please keep it up :) Don't stop doing what you do
I hope you feel better
Honestly same, it helped me get though my last year of school and some personal stuff.
God bless, praying for you. I've also had my scary fight with heart issues when I was young
Best wishes and best recovery, pal! Take care!
@@legendarylancers7446Great to hear that.
It wasn’t until these Breakdowns that I realized how well Omniverse at first was able to bridge the gap between UAF. Besides the Flashbacks nearly all the aliens Teen Ben uses are UAF aliens. Lodestar, Spidermonkey, all but one Andromeda Alien, Clockwork. Besides the new OV aliens he’s used almost all UAF aliens which makes sense since even after reunlocking everything he’d rarely use any classic aliens. The only Classic aliens he’s used so far has been Cannonbolt and Heatblast which UAF Ben did frequently use. Has been doing an excellent job continuing from UAF since younger viewers likely wouldn’t have ever seen Classic and wouldn’t recognize any aliens Teen Ben hasn’t used.
In terms of the art style, I think it was just a matter of getting used to it. Was not bad, but just different.
I personally think that going back to the status quo is part of Ben's personality.
I met many people, including me, that are that way in some things.
I broke up with my best friend because he was very violent, he proposed to change, he did therapy, he did meditation, he realized how his attitude had ruined his life, he actually changed, and years later he was the same person again.
I don't think people don't change, but I do believe some people can't change. And Ben is only 16 years old, as much as he has saved the universe he doesn't have the mental maturity to change his way of thinking permanently. Especially since he never does it consciously. Whenever his personality changes it is because the universe needs it and not because he wants it.
He feels more like he knows how he has to behave in certain situations, but not something he really wants to do.
That's pretty much how I am sometimes. I flip flop a lot with my levels of maturity yet Im still young.
Sometimes it's just easier to act like you have your entire life, it's like a coping mechanism kinda, so to me it makes sense that Ben reverts after his closest friends leave him, then after he re-creates the universe it just sort of sticks, Ben's kinda like Deadpool in that way, he uses comedy and immaturity to cover up his guilt so that he can pretend that the weight of the world isnt constantly on his shoulders
I'll always prefer the original series transformations, but I do like how in this series Ben does physically transform pretty quickly while still being there. Just so much more grounded than an animation , or a flash of green light.
People say Omniverse isn’t dark, but Fistrick implies he killed someone. “Knew a guy….past tense”
💚Gravattack Debut!!! Love this episode.
An offhand mention of something doesn't make it dark
@@_S_P_A_C_E_M_A_N_ how bout this then.
Ben was too late to save the universe so he made a copy,so his real friends and family are dead
@@fabiorrahiIt's just him, and Charmcaster. Everyone else is dead.
..oh, and I guess Rex and friends are fine, too.
IDC about dark, I care about fun stories
@@fabiorrahi if this was ever mentioned later on sure, but this had basically no effect so it wasn't anything close to dark
With the way the streets that Clockwork was chasing the Megawatts are drawn, makes me think that the part of Bellwood Ben and Rook were patrolling is the same place that Prisoner 775 threw a truck at Humungousaur.
I feel they couldve redone the heros journey with a teacher student arc. Like ben teaching rook the hero business but also under estimating him. So when ben gets captured by himself he feels he has to do everything himself and refuses help because to him he hasnt taught rook how to deal with those types of situations. But later on its rook and whatever other help that ends up saving ben letting ben relearn teamwork without makin it feel like hes just egotistical but rather be more trusting of his new partner. Plus part of becoming a master in most shows is being able to teach someone so it wouldve been intersting if we got more of that with an experienced ben
There needs to be a Rook Contraction counter, just for the sake figuring out how long it takes for him to kick his Revonnahgander swearing habit(but in actuality just so that way we can start to see where Bumper Robinson got a good grasp on the character, I think it be neat)
Don't blame this on the actor, Bumper reads the scripts he's given, it's on the writers for going in half-cocked.
With how weird Ben 10 transformations get I always wanted to see Ben get either a three headed six armed form or a form that has like thousands of limbs thanks to the ability of limb manipulation. In other words I kinda want to see a transformation that can like shapeshift to a limited degree and choose how many heads, legs, arms or what type of legs and arms they get. What would you call a transformation with limb manipulation?
Limbi
Manifold
Fisticuffs
Multiflex
Mainpalm (as in "remain calm")
High Five
Heckin Tonkare (like the Hecatonkares of Greek myth)
I’m not sure but that kind of reminds me of Nezha, who’s been seen in Chinese mythology as a yaojing/yaoguai (demon) before. And he, along with Guanyin, who also has a lot of limbs, comes from Buddhism, where a lot of Indian gods had a lot of limbs.
Nezha himself could gain two other heads for a three head form, alongside having six arms.
So while idk what you would _call_ such a transformation, I think it’d be cool to base it off of Buddhist characters a little bit. :oooo
@@kukuandkookie that kinda was my inspiration for this idea
So happy that my favorite Omniverse episode got a great score and I agree with you on how Ben was portrayed in this episode, really like everything in this episode and can't wait for the next breakdown
Omniverse may be the most or secondmost rewatchable series because of the multiple stories it tells and it peaks so many characters before the end. It feels like this is a lets see how far we've come type of season in comparison to the others. Also, Fistrick at this point feels like a C tier enemy and then he becomes a high C, low B tier when hes able to get off world. He has his own henchmen, his plans involve high tech, and he's a charismatic threat physically, then when he gets off world he is able to effect and entire society with what hes doing.
Agreed
10:15 I think another way they could've written Ben's initial relationship with Rook is how he's struggling to adjust to being without Gwen and Kevin.
Maybe instead of having him be inexplicably stupid during the first couple fights, they could've shown how Ben isn't used to fighting on his own or with Rook yet. Like he leaves gaps in his attacks because he expects Kevin to charge in, or lets himself get hit because he's so used to having Gwen's shields there to protect him.
They could even play up Rook's lone wolf strategy, where he's very talented but because he's focussed on efficiency he doesn't communicate well enough with Ben and opts for more standard Plumber tactics.
To complete the arc, Ben acknowledge's that Rook might be able to fill the hole left behind by Kevin and Gwen and agrees to work with him. He'll help Rook get some field experience and loosen up, as long as Rook actually communicates his strategies to Ben.
I don't remember why but this episode is one of my favorite episodes. When I think of Omniverse the montage of Ben and Rook looking for trouble is one of the first things that come to mind
The point you made made me think that Omniverse should’ve gone in a route where you see him slowly become like Ben 10,000, so powerful that the drama is based in his relationships as a result of his new found strength
Too bad they used that as cheap fanservice.
I personally think that the reason Ben stayed in Clockwork is due to the fact he has only used him for the powers and that he wanted to see how physically better than a human he is.
Neat little detail I noticed when I watched this episode recently: When Ben is chasing after the Megawatts and goes to select XLR8, it seems like he briefly tries to interact with the Official Omnitrix like he would the Ultimatrix before swiftly realizing his mistake and doing it properly.
24:19 I like That theory. like when you have a new cellphone, you don't want to fuck with it cause you're afraid to mess it up, but eventually you just gain confidence and start treating it with less care.
Also, it also could add that he comes from the ultimatrix, a broken piece of shit that was constantly failing and the last time he fucked with the omnitrix he mutated Kevin, so it could also make sense for him to be a little careful with the new omnitrix
Honestly I never thought of Megawatts being antagonists. They aren't evil like Gremlins, they're just being themselves and don't really seem to notice that they're hurting people.
Eeehhh, they seem to notice. They hurt people and destroy things then laugh directly at the people they harm. They're pretty much like gremlins except they might not be _evil_ but instead like energetic children. They can tell when they're being abused and will ask for help from a hero by causing trouble, which means they can tell what being good and bad means.
They’re kids essentially. Mischievous but not malicious and in need of someone to help them develop a moral compass.
@jbcatz5 I feel like it would be quite the project to actually train them. Have you ever tried to train a puppy or kitten? Not a walk in the park.
I really liked this episode. It does a really good job of developing Ben and Rook’s growing dynamic and it was nice to see the Nosedeenians actually get a happy ending as opposed to their debut episode where they ended up imprisoned as part of a tourist attraction. One particular moment that stands out to me for some reason is when Rook initially shoots at Fistrick’s mech, but Ben stops him out of concern for the Megawatts. Though Omniverse has moments of portraying Ben less competent and/or more insensitive than I’d like, its episodes like this where he feels like the most balanced version of himself in terms of being a level-headed hero who seeks to do what’s right while also being laid back and snarky.
The writers had a set plan for ben's character and storylines set up but cartoon network kept on meddling and telling them to make ben unmature and more like 10-11 year old ben.
@@legendarylancers7446 Apparently it wasn't just them making it. Apparently they had a large list of mandates for them to follow which included not including aliens that didn't sell as well (Chromastone) and connecting it to OG
@@KraylebStudios Honestly it sounded like Cartoon Network wanted ben10 to fail from the jump
@@legendarylancers7446 Lmao they didn't want anything to be better than their dear precious Original Series that they made every other season constantly throwback to the original show because they were scared the fans wouldn't like it. And what do you know, Ben 10 fans were exactly like that
@@KraylebStudios Facts they where obsessed with classic series, and they had every series afterwards suffer from that, and Ominverse was so obsessed with this that the whole series is dedicated to erase the work UAF done there's a whole era to reworking Kevin's past💀 it's ridiculous, I have no issue with them paying respect for a classic series but it completely ruins most of Ben's character and creates wild plot holes and recons
After seeing Fistrick in a lot of OV episodes I've realized he's quite similar to Bane from Batman similar appearances and whilst not necessarily having powers they are quite strong for a human
I never had a problem with Ben dealing with street villains because, realistically, how many times they fight a villain of Vilgax or even Dr. Animo's level? I REALLY doubt that they have to fight that kind of villains daily.
I also think that Rook using contraptions at the beginning is like his way to try to get Ben to accept him as his new partner
Honestly I feel like having some street-level threats showing up every now and then is needed, if just to catch a breath and give us variety. When you keep upping the ante and adding bigger and bigger threats or making huge apocalyptic events, it kinda becomes exhausting and repetitive and harder to feel invested. Dragon Ball Z and the MCU both suffer from this issue in my opinion.
Ben feels more down to Earth bcz of that, gives a feeling that he will be there to save u even if the villain is not that powerful, just like Spiderman he also deals with street level villains like Shocker
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Well, the comparison isn't quite good because Spider-Man IS a street-level hero (albeit a very powerful one), so him mostly dealing with street-level villains makes sense. Ben meanwhile has never been down to Earth as a character; even in the Original series where he did stick on Earth and occasionally fought criminals, his stories were mostly about fighting crazy alien/magic stuff. He's really more akin to Flash or Green Lantern in that area.
With that said, comparison aside you do have a point.
This is why a sequel show of Ben teaching ken and then ken spiraling off into his own hero past season 1 would have been dope -- same lessons, different characters (could even have had ken do fusions and Ben prefer natural aliens since he never even liked ultimates really)
Gravattack was so well designed he felt like one of the Classic 10 to me
many OV aliens do that for me like Crashopper and Toepick
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Toepick is mentioned in Ken 10 Season 4 of OG series
@@andreimihail3677 was he shown though?
@@voltr3d569 no
@@nailthunder5945 then it's an Omniverse original
Omniverse at night time is so visually beautiful (Heatblast looks the best he’s ever looked in this episode). Really wish we got more Omniverse episodes set at night time
Nosedeenians also get a good deal of protection helping with Undertown. It's kinda like... free-range power?
Also I love the Omni-tool's versatility, that part with the slashing seems more like a "Nullifier" or "Disruptor" function, disabling mechanical function for whatever it passes through, likely being a good deal of hydraulics and such to even lift a bulky arm like that
Love Gravattack’s debut & the Megawatts gotta be my favorite species they’re always so entertaining. Fistrick isn’t my favorite but he’s still fun so overall loved this episode
The musical montage while Ben and Rook are in 'pursuit of criminals' sounds very similar to Bonnie Tylers "Holding Out for a Hero". Obviously, it's their own rendition of it, but doing the side by side comparison, it sounds very similar.
This, I absolutely noticed.
That song is titled We got some Heroin to do. So yeah I see the inspiration.
Gosh, the tiny 5 notes bit in the end of the intro always hit right in the spot.
Noxi is a master musician.
I don't know much about Chronosapien lore but I haven't found much on their history from the wiki. I like to imagine that, being largely mechanical, they were created by some powerful beings to be guardians over time, or something like that, which explains why they're so restrained in their power use.
Stinkfly having pupils is a godsend toward getting people to actually realize that THOSE are his eyes.
With the classic design, even thought I know the stalks are his eyes, my brain always perceives the omnitrix badge as being his eye.
Same lol. Everytime I see classic series Stinkfly I always think that his eye is the omnitrix badge when it his stink shooters.
Timestamp 19:40- Clockwork is technically Ben's fastest alien, so if he had figured out how to use him, he would have easily beat the Megawatts to the warehouse.
I am not so sure, clockwork is not really fast, what we saw him do eventually is slow down time for others so on their eyes he is moving fast but he is actually just moving normally, so it would be as hard for him to run that long even if have that power on.
@@silverbreaker9271 that's why he's "technically" one of the fastest. Also he wouldn't even need to run he could just walk
I remember watching this episode and being like, "Oh, the Megawatts are back, that's pretty neat." I'll give Omniverse credit, it does bring back things from previous series and expand on them, well, except for the Limax.
lol it always makes me laugh that despite being one of the few villains who explicitly had a sequel hook in their debut episode *and* being hinted to have a bigger role in the future, the Limax never came back at all.
@@Theokal3 I remember looking forward to it too.
"And of course, I don't have anything that can handle electricity."
Benvictor/Frankenstrike: "Am I just not here or...?"
He said handle not fight
I was just re-watching the "which aline art is best" video and this came in🎉
Time to enjoy (which i know i will as usual)
Keep up the great work!!
And A new look i see,kuro.
This really was a jolt from the past. 3 whole series for the Megawatts to make a comeback
Which soon leads us to the first time he transforms into one
@@axelnilsson5124 didn't ken transform in buzzshock in future episode in classic
Yes@@shadowninja8960
It's nice of the show to depict the Megawatts in a sympathetic light, because looking back at their episode in Classic and based on how aliens nowadays are portrayed as people who should be treated with respect, it's kinda messed up that they were trapped and made into a tourist attraction.
I'm finally caught up on all the backgrounds and all the shows, love all the work done by the team, yall are the most dedicated team on TH-cam.
Yes! A jolt from the past! Good morning everyone!
Ay good morning
Nice avatar
Technus goat
@@DJ_thisguyfromtt I like your profile picture too.
good morning
Morning? It's almost midnight!
5:36 Uh… Ben? You forgot the big electric alien you got in space last year? You know, the one you got from Dr. Viktor that helped you beat Zs’Skayr for a second time? You know, the ELECTRIC alien?
It’s understandable he’d forget about Benviktor/Frankenstrike because he used him once and never again for 6 years
@@axelnilsson5124 true. Like the entire anur aliens canonically just got used once by Ben and never again till 6 years later.
@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 And that is why they are called "Anur"(because they got treatment like anus (bad)"
This episode was the episode that I liked omniverse and continue watching it through out the franchise, it's nice to see Ben getting is character building up and Ben and rook being good as a duo
let’s gooooo every day i am terrified of when the omniverse episode won’t get a breakdown but i am so glad we are getting these full breakdowns! keep up the good work kuro these videos are amazing to watch!
Growing up, Derek J. Wyatt's art design was my entire world. Teen Titans, Transformers Animated, even Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated. Wyatt's designs always manage to hook me. I really miss him.
This was actually the first omniverse episode i saw as a kid.
Cool
I agree with pretty much everything you said, Kuro! & I love Gravattack, his powers, his design, his personality, and voice in later episodes! & Ben in this episode is So good & I wish he was like this in the later eps more, but Ben in OV overall is pretty consistent, tbh!! This breakdown is great not only cuz all the breakdowns are good, but also cuz, Kuro, you said ALOT of things I agree with, you voiced some of my opinions!
One of my favourite episodes. I love these more "Plumber-central" episodes with an actual mission. And also love Gravattack and how Ben was handled as well. I think Clockwork didnt even use his powers because later on he doesnt seem to know what Clockwork is even capable of. Anyway, happy Pride month Kuro!
yeah its sadly something I saw in Pokemon, where Ash was inconsistent episode to episode sometimes arc to arc. It was also a big problem with dragon ball gt, where to make the villains a threat they had to nerf/weaken the main character. If Ben or any hero has become a more confident and competent hero, then make the bad guys or create bad guys that can challenge them or face them in different ways. Expand the universe, have other villains be like Psyphon and have them come back with counter measures for some of Ben's aliens. It always sucks when any show cartoon anime live action makes it's characters hold the idiot ball, or be the source of the morale of the story regardless of continuity or if it fits the character.
I feel like this was just how Ben was over the course of OV in general. He felt overall consistent to me
same here, he's mostly chill which he should be after all the things he's done but at the same time has to face even stronger threats than before, like the end of his entire universe
@@theamazingspooderman2697 exactly
I will say in later seasons it's where he just… idk, as much as I love Omniverse I feel like he's dumbed down in some episodes later.
@@erikpng yeah ,he was done dirty sometimes but there are many episodes where he acts like that even fillers like vengers,colour of monkey etc
If we make comparisons to this episode with "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad Ben World." In that Ben is so immature, irresponsible and incompetent with the Omnitrix that it makes Ben 23 seem sensible and serious like AF Ben.
Im so glad this got a full breakdown, this has been my favourite episode of Omniverse for most of my time with the show. It gets Bens character right, it looks fantastic, the Megawats come back in a cool way, Gravattack is awesome´and Ben and Rook's partner relationship feels fresh and is written well.
A small inconsistency is that when water is leaking into the robot suit, Fisttricks spikes are slightly drooping but after he gets out out of the robot they’re perfectly straight again
He applied the gel before coming out of the suite.
23:45
Fisttrick definitely could have been more than a joke villain.
Always loved this episode it even does homage back to the classic series when Ben Gwen and Grandpa Max met the megawatts
I used to think this episode was just fine, but this breakdowns are giving me a new appreciation for Season 1 of OV
Ironically, it had same budget as uaf but had great details and soundtrack, I wonder where do uaf budget goes?
@@yashjoshi6168 Maybe OV had more time to develop then? Cause a lot of UA seems to be because the episodes were made in a limited amount of time (reused designs, lack of backgrounds, constant reuse of the same transformation clip)
Gonna respect Kuro appreciating the Prime universe shows canon takes on expanding and adding desptie retcons to a character
28:49
How great would it have been if there were an episode with Vilgax that ends with Gravattack using the orbit power to throw him into space?
Honestly this was the first episode I watched back around the time it first aired, if it weren't for this episode I probably would've never considered binging the show whenever I could.
In the original series, I always thought the megawatts dividing was more reproduction than ditto like cloning. Since you never see them going back into one.
Honestly, after binge watching Beast Wars like a week ago and now learning David Kaye also voiced a lot in Omniverse, it's really cool.
I understand that the sentence was written to emphasize the importance of Feedback, but even so when Young Ben says he doesn't have any electrical aliens, he completely forgot about BenVicktor/Frankenstrike as well.
I just thought it would be cool to point out this curiosity 😃👍
Yes, but he can't absorb electricity or energy like feedback.
Gravattack's debut and his powers in this is personally one of Omniverse's most epic moments
1:11 I agree to an extent, if the power level the hero gets is measurable and atleast somewhat down to earth, like going from street to city power level, then I agree. But if it's something like Goku who is insane strong and there's barely any noticeable differences between his new and old opponents then nah it's boring. Like how much difference does it make if someone goes from universe to multi verse power level? Can you even showcase it in satisfying way?
I'd prefer if villains leveled up more in a thinking capacity and not just becoming God level strong or something
So Rook’s thing with never using contractions is something added in later but it’s played off as a thing that’s been there the whole time?
Heat Blast sounding like he has throat cancer is an interesting choice.
Ben being so far above the street level crime and even the criminals knowing it would be dumb to screw with him is a nice touch.
Also Rook said another contraction when he said “You’re welcome” after he saved Ben with the crane.
14:23 "they have been running around the same block" huh... no wonder why they couldn't find anybody that's not afraid of them and a threat
9:20 Remember how at the end of 'It's a Mad, Mad, Mad Ben World: Part 2' Ben tells Mad!Rook to drop the contractions, and then Rook shows up to rescue Ben and Ben 23 and 23 immediately notes how Rook is using contractions.
Edit: Also, I never picked up on how Rook doesn't use contractions, so my immediate thought when I saw that scene was 'why?'
11:17 DO IT! MAKE THE ROOK SWEARS COUNTER
16:18 The way Heatblast flies in this episode reminds me of how when Starfire flies in the comics, her hair tends to turn into this fire trail.
10:07 Head cannon, being off world, rook is enjoying swearing casually, but eventually grows bored of that and just stops.
I’m hoping your schedule starts opening up cause these breakdowns are the best videos on TH-cam
I like how the alien transformation look like a body suits instead of a mutation because I think it was hurting him the more he transformed
Imagine UAF with this level of art detail and sound too, that be crazy
The Generator Rex animation is better.
@InevitableOption-ic2vx OV art is so childish as the plots.
@InevitableOption-ic2vx It is clear that you have not seen that show, since there Derrick J. Wyatt had no power in the writing team; In fact, Derrick J. Wyatt didn't like when the franchise involved real monsters and supernatural threats and tried to campaign for the removal of the central supernatural Myth Arc and return to the classic "unmask the criminal", but thank God it was overruled.
I mean, in "Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated" it has a lot of character development, the episodes are well connected to each other, and the supporting characters and families are very necessary; that is, the complete opposite of Omniverse.
@InevitableOption-ic2vx And? I mean, there's a big problem when the kids from Gravity Falls and DuckTales act more mature and responsible than Omniverse Ben. Hell, even kid Ben took things more seriously and did care about his loved ones that Omniverse Ben.
If wet is defined as the ability to remove water from the surface of something then as long as you have enough water to form a layer 2 molecules thick in any direction, the water is, in fact, wet. So unless you are dealing with a single molecule of water, water is always somewhat wet.
Like it's mentioned below, I always thought Rook's use of contractions at the start of his partnership with Ben was an attempt to connect his new human partner whose species use contractions like they were going out of style, like his use of "Ben Dude" like he initially thought it was some sort of honorific Ben was insisting on. As their partnership deepened (and Rook lost his awe of Ben's "legend," admittedly) Rook reverted to his normal way of speaking as he became more comfortable on Earth even as he went "native" in other ways.
As someone who grew up with transformers animated, it'd always good to see a good transformation
I enjoy your idea of building and adding into undertown. I would love to see a video on how with some tweaks more episodes could contribute to that, even if only a background item or two. Maybe it could cumulate during the incursion war for some nice payoffs. 🤔😁
You know, I like to watch these when I'm animating my Ben 10 animations cuz it helps me keep the powers of the aliens in mind and, I hate silence so I need something to listen too.
"To bad I got no aliens that can handle electricity"
Frankenstrike: 👁👄👁
He doesn't absorb energy though he conducts it. the megawatts do both.
with the heatblast shoulder design, i could somewhat see them as getting bigger before erupting like we saw into ben 10k's heatblast, where they just started to enlarge, and the rest of the body isn't used to the wide size, or when they break open for the flames to spill out the shoulders, they'll become more flush once again
I didn't realise Grava-Attack's debut was this early. But damn i love that alien, i wish he had more screen time
This is the first time I've learned that David Kaye voiced not just any Ben 10 character, but HEATBLAST, and that's great
dang im looking through his imdb to find that I grew up with this dude in so many shows other than ben 10.
Batman is another example as to why going on patrol is important. Especially when he's effectively the only one that seems to ever have done so.
You have no idea how much this breakdowns mean to me thank you so much 🙏🏿❤️ it really helps my mental health