I think the Ben not being able to pronounce the annihilargh's name would work better of everyone else called it by its full name and Ben had trouble pronouncing that, with him eventually getting fed up and coining the shortened name.
I actually like the fast in world transformations like we see with crashhopper and spider monkey in this episode. I feel like it gives us more of a connection with the rest of the cast, like we’re seeing Ben transform the way the other characters do
I understand your point and I can agree to a point but they only do it for us the viewer's and if they are going to bother to do it instead of show it how Kevin or Gwen or vilgax would see it then I'm happy and appreciate the effort.
I feel like this is the best representation of OV's strengths and weaknesses. It has some of the biggest events, lore implications, and most creative uses of aliens, and pairs them up with jokes that don't land or have bad timing, and a lack of seriousness that screws them over.
I feel like OV get better at this overtime but yea those weaknesses never leave especially during the end with the contemelia being smoothies instead of someone important like max.
@@TyandOnGoing Funny, my own impression is that it got *worse* with time. These seasons at least still kinda fit within the continuity of the previous shows.
@@TyandOnGoing i got used by the smoothies, i once saw a comment on reddit that i take as my headcanon now, heres what it said: "While I agree either seeing max or seeing some of his aliens would’ve been a better choice, I actually kinda get the smoothie thing. It’s not just /a/ smoothie, it’s /mr./ smoothie, the brand mascot. Whenever Ben defeats some big bad, they went to mr smoothie. When Ben got famous, he did marketing with mr smoothie. When the universe was recreated, mr smoothie was the one reminder of that feat. Heck even after this when he saved all of reality, the next thing we see is him going to mr smoothie. What Ben values most isn’t the smoothies, it’s BEING A HERO, and since there’s no face to put on the concept of heroics, the contumelia take the form of an icon Ben associated with that. Every big event, every long battle, every time Ben has had a solid victory, he associates that with a trip to mr smoothie."
I always thought it was a Superman reference since both are the ultimate beings in their respective universe, and Superman us drawn with a chad chin in most of his cartoon appearances.
Alien X could recreate that clip that's here in youtube where some villains think it's Crimson Chin and then it's revealed it's not him when Mr Crocker says "the Nega Chin!"
While i fully agree with kuro’s opinions on the episode as a whole. As someone who went through a significant and rather unique traumatic event (while nothing universe ending related) I wholeheartedly believe ben’s reaction to the events that happened. While i am adding more than what the show gives, you don’t want to think about it, you don’t want to process it and the thought of it actually happening can crush you to your core, so i genuinely believe ben, who has put on a confident strong time and time again and said to have done that wouldn’t really be sitting with the idea that everyone he knew was dead when they (the new versions) are right in front of him. As for ben’s reaction in universe v tennyson, to an extent i maintain what i stated but also believe there could be censor reasons and tone too
See I could believe that completely if the show alluded to that, even just a little bit. But like I said in the video, you have to apply logic that isn't there to make it make sense. So strictly going off of the show, it's out of character and bad writing.
@@TheInkTank Oh yeah I completely understand that and agree, as much as i love omniverse i feel that there are multiple times (the big ones to me being this, albedo’s insanity and the whole contumelia smoothie thing) the show could really deepen itself by at least alluding to there being more substance to the choices the show makes with its characters, yet the lack of that allusion limits the show to where those possible deeper elements only exists with the interpretations of the fans to where they can appreciate an episode because of how they see it, while those elements aren’t present in the episode to some degree.
@@isthereabatinthehouse2242I say Albedo's (not insanity) but more evil attitude is ok. He wasn't going for a redemption. His first in UAF appearance was him torturing people for information and the last one was him trying to put a that thing, which imma call a Headcrab (because references are fun) which would have been excruciatingly painful for Ben and basically game over if medicine wasn't so advanced throughout the universe. And Albedo does acknowledge how he feels about Ben defeating and imprisoning him time and time again. And he does not deserve to be a galvan again. Him getting stuck as a genetic dublicate of Ben was his own doing. And he's also racist towards humans, so I'd say deserves to be stuck as one. He just became more evil than before.
That must had hurt Ben a lot when Universe vs Tennyson happened. Nearly everyone turned on him because of a bunch of Alien Xs telling him no, you done goofed. That sort of trauma would break a lesser hero
Maybe this is sort of a lazy defense but tbh I don't think the writers themselves considered the implications of remaking the universe. I genuinely think that when they wrote the episode they thought of remaking the universe as being the same as preventing it from being destroyed in the first place. This makes Ben's attitude more understandable
I really don't get why they didn't just revert everything, that's literally what we first see Alien X do, and later Clockwork does the same, no dark implications there. Unless they really sacrificed everything for Mr. Smoothie to look different and give Ben a new hoodie💀they could've redesign that from the beginning.
I mean, why can't they have just revived everyone when they remade it? They can already make a universe, I think restoring souls is well within their power
21:45 even though i usually never 'get' the majority of these pop culture references in omniverse, I love seeing them pointed out in these breakdowns! crazy how many easter eggs there are.
I like the Omniverse Alien X design, but I get the feeling that it's a staple of Derrick J. Wyatt, as he also worked on Transformers Animated and characters like Optimus or Sentinel also had massive chins. I guess this was his way of depicting someone that's heroic, masculine, and powerful, which explains why Alien X looks the way he does.
Just look at Fred in Mystery Inc. He doesnt have a chin that goes forwards, but he does have a chin that goes down, and as a result has a very big head like those previously mentioned examples. Thats just how Derrick portrayed jocks/ buff dudes. He could do the regular look but he made a conscious decision to make the difference.
I figured that as well, but that's kinda the issue for me: Ben's aliens should *not* look heroic and masculine, they should look like bizarre otherworldly monsters. Things that you'd normally expect to be random villains or monsters in a superhero show or a horror movie rather than straight superheroes. It's part of what made the classic designs work for me at least.
i like the chin, stuff like big nose, or big eyes gives personality to the design, and has you said yes is a despicting of something brave and heroic, reminds me alot of One Piece where Oda gives goofy stuff to characters like Vegapunk or Wapol for exemple lmao
Honestly, for a story where the universe is destroyed and Ben is left as the sole survivor having to recreate it, I always felt the episode or characters never really treated it with the gravitas it deserved. As you said, while Omniverse is a much more lighthearted show compared to its predecessors, it's shown capable of being serious when the situation calls for it.
I enjoy Omniverse but the tone of the show is off. Honestly Ben is way too ok with everyone he knows and loves dying and having to bring them back possibly improperly (as shown with mr.smoothie sign)
All I can say is JOJO’s bizarre adventure part 6 did this story better. It actually had Gravitas even in the aftermath when the universe reboots and spoilers Emporio is the sole survivor of the old universe.
@@blackfox7309 If he kept his character development from Alien Force and Ultimate Alien, he would’ve realized he didn’t resurrect them, only create their duplicates. He would’ve trembled and fall to his knees and scream in grief and horror that everyone he loved and grew up with is gone forever. He would vow to never again underestimate the stakes and hold back for the sake of protecting his family and his universe.
I think the one continuity error with Crashhopper could’ve easily been fixed just by swapping this episode with It Was Them. They’re back to back and when I watched it like that it was a pretty easy fix. That’s literally the only issue with production order and it’s pretty easy to just swap it for personal viewing.
When you realize that Ben saying goodbye to Gwen and Kevin in "The More Things Change" really is the last time Ben ever sees the real Gwen and Kevin. Gwen says "It's not like we're never gonna see each other again". And they never do because of this episode.
I love how this episode, where we first learn of the Contemelia, is called "So Long, And thanks for all the Smoothies" and in the finale when we finally see the Contemelia, they are smoothies at least in Ben's perspective.
This episode is both amazing and incredibly sad at the same time, Cause it showed how powerful and awesome Alien X is ,but at the same time you realize the characters that you’ve spent years loving are actually now dead
And upon realizing that he failed them and that they’re gone forever, he would’ve scream in grief, sorrow and horror, taking responsibility for the Anallarg incident. He would vow to never let that happen again and grow up even more.
Really wished Omniverse went with Kuro’s idea that after the Vreedle brothers became plumbers, Ma Vreedle made new clones of them to keep her boys evil and so there’d be two pairs of them. Could even see them have a scene like this. “How did you you know they would do that?” “Because that’s what we would’ve done.”
I just want a whole box of every missed opportunity or alternate idea Kuro has come up. Either for fun AU fuel or at the very least a neat little bingo sheet if a new ben 10 show comes up
yeah that's kinda what I think they should have done. I mean come on, it was RIGHT THERE! They could have had good Vreedle and criminal Vreedle co-existing and it would even be coherent!
they didn't worked as Plumbers, who even let them inside in the first place (given their track records) it was also repetitive as whenever there is a good guy they make them a Plumber, happened with Cooper, the Plumber Helpers
@@theamazingspooderman2697 I mean, they do not work as villains either objectively :p they *are* quite possibly the most incompetent and stupid villains in Ben's rogues gallery. Joke aside, yeah, they weren't that interesting as Plumbers, but again, they could have just used another set of clones to keep villainous Vreedle without having to reset progress.
I am honestly a big fan of Ben saying “believe me or not, I saved the universe, that’s all that matters” he does not care about the fame or recognition beyond joking about it. He cares about helping. I always saw his lack of reaction as his inability to fully understand the amount of things that are not quite the same. The process of creating the universe is beyond him and as far as he can understand, all the people he loves might as well be the originals, that is just how I see it I guess.
@@PPrexor-qk9vq He didn’t cause it to go off while pursuing it from the wrong hands the entire episode and Alien X made a duplicate. If you break a glass and put it back together it’s the same cup
@@PPrexor-qk9vq how was he a clown? u will seriously believe a story parents used to tell their kids to scare them so they sleep early as a threat especially since nothing like that has ever happened in Ben 10 before? and he saved it, the people are all the same as Legerdomain wasnt destroyed and the original souls weren't either so they are the same people but in different bodies
Honestly I really love this episode. It really plays well when you look at it as an absurdist story. It's essentially 4 different factions fighting over a big red button that they heard when they were kids could blow up the universe. They leaned into it pretty well with planting the idea in the audience's mind that it was meant to just be a myth/story with the forboding blaring horn going off everytime they say the name to force making it seem forboding, and then they drop the other shoe to reveal that no, they were being serious about the Anihalarrg being a universe destroyer the whole time.
It is kind of surreal to acknowledge that the show took a scene that features the simultaneous final screams of everyone in the universe and underplayed the sheer scale and severity of that scenario. I do not think I could have worked on the show and been happy with passing over such a haunting scene/idea so quickly. The recreation of the universe was near-masterfully presented, but the destruction of it was kind of underwhelming - again, because they came up with such an amazing idea and kind of just pushed it under the rug. Most people find the dying screams of a handful of people to be traumatic. Ben was hearing the dying screams of EVERY person in the universe, and the show does not show us that he cares at all (so far). Awesome video as always, Kuro. The detail of those screams just made me feel compelled to share some thoughts.
My favorite part of this episode is NRG's iconic quote. Honestly NRG in general is just one of my favorite aliens. You wouldn't expect the walking oven to be so cool, but he just works so well.
I kind of just assumed Bellicus saying "It's too late" was a response to Ben wanting to STOP the Annihilarrgh, and his response was just him going "Yeah, it's already gone off and stuff is destroyed, can't really stop it to save the day"
Alien X is likely powerful enough to stop an Annihilargh, considering that it can recreate and likely destroy Universes plus Celestialsapiens are likely more powerful than the Contumelia and their creations.
@@GamingGreen21thats not how the time bomb works, it seemingly erased a moment in time(Ben prime getting the omnitrix) hence why the alternate universes came back by making sure that moment actually did happen, allowing for the big team up
@@Emily12471 Vilgax himself said it took out every other universe. The reason No Watch Ben and Paradox went back to that moment was because there wasn't a single universe left where Ben found the Omnitrix. They basically changed No Watch Ben's timeline to save the others
For the comment on Belicus and Serena stating Ben would be trapped in alien X forever, I took that more as them telling keeping Ben there so they could have a tie breaker and less that they couldn't turn him back. Then finally they did because they realized that Ben wasn't willing to work with them, especially when lives were on the line.
28:27 I mean I can see your perspective on this. But something to remember is the Incursions are an empire so Emperor Milleous wouldn't just wake up and just decide to destroy the universe because as Omniverse shows Milleous is very serious about his job and thinks very carefully about what he will do to conquer it. In fact, Argit probably didnt even think of the possibility of Milleous coming to threaten to conquer the Earth which he does later. He probably just thought Milleous would just take it pay Argit and then use it in running his empire.
Omniverse was the series that FINALLY gave us a sense of just how powerful the cosmic side of the Ben 10 Universe truly is. Classic was relatively small in scale. UAF spent many episodes hyping up the godly abilities of the Celestial Sapiens as well as the Naljians and Diagon, but they either did nothing during the little screentime they got or were so underwhelming that they completely failed to stick the landing (*cough Diagon). But then OV came around and was like “yeah, there’s an entire race of higher dimensional beings that destroy and create universes for their own leisure, but Alien X doesn’t give a shit about that. Watch”… in the span of 4 episodes. And that’s all it takes to disprove the notion of empty hype.
@@ahaha272 Oh yeah, that arc had great scope and worldbuilding for sure. But the repercussions of Celestial Sapiens powers in the wrong hands was still more or less left to the imagination. Which is all well and good because it was too early to see the universe get blown up. But Omniverse earned my respect for taking the seeds planted by Ultimate Aliens and visualizing them. “They can just blink, and you’ll be gone” or “ Thoughts become reality” were ominous before but had more weight after OV.
Like you say in the reply I like how it built upon what was set up in Ultimate Alien. I remember always wanting to think about how strong Alien X is but there were literally only statements at the time. Nothing else except the 1st appearance in the show where he reverses time which is cool but doesn't explain how he's like a literal god. And then the map of infinity arc makes lots of statements about them and they even go beyond their universe to reach them. But again, we never see them do anything. Then Omniverse in literally the 4th episode just decided oh here's the entire universe getting destroyed and then here's Ben as Alien X casually remaking it 😅
@@Theokal3but… they did? They actually show Alien X's power and the celestialsapiens and what they're capable of as a whole. They also show us the power of the chronospapiens and a race of Gods casually creating universes.
I've always wondered if Professor Paradox didn't survive this incident seeing as he can travel to alternate dimensions and seems to know everything that will happen in Ben Prime's universe. Isn't it possible that he simply left to an alternate universe for a few minutes and thus survive?
I mean, his very existence transcends the bounds of time, plus he can create Barriers existing outside the Universe made to hide a realm where many gods live in and can somehow get away from said gods, also he can travel through any universe, dimension, and timeline too. I think he can survive or escape from a Universal Destruction event.
Paradox definitely survived, if he can survive the Chronosapien time bomb (which is just an Annihilarrg but for infinite universes and timelines) then he could definitely just slip away from this one.
I think the argument can be made that Ben doesn't even consider that it could be "all my friends are dead and these are merely copies of them". As Sci-Fi nerds these concepts are familiar, we've seen these before in stories so it's easy to come to that conclusion that this means everyone is dead, but when you aren't you might think that doing this saved the day and all is fixed. Other characters might come to that conclusion like Gwen or Paradox, but no one believes him right now. The failing moreso is in that when it's revealed to everyone that there isn't anything done with it
Yeah. I mean from his perspective. They're legit the same people with the same personalities and same faces. He probably views the smoothies as the only thing he hasn't saved because it's not the same at all.
Ben: "I created an exact duplicate universe Rook." Rook: "So everyone, besides you, are dead." Ben: "Well... yeah, but best not to think about that." RJ: "Why not just reverse time to stop it that way, then nobody dies." Ben: (Sips his smoothie louder not having thought of that)
Because I think annilarg erases matter and time to the point where the dimension is just a void. So there is no remembrance left of the earlier universe and he can't reverse time since time doesn't exist in that void now.
@@Batman-lg2zj wait wasn't time destroyed in this very episode? Isn't time created when a universe is created? If it isn't then why couldn't paradox or Maltruant travel back to the beginning w/o the time beast egg?
I mean maybe Rook and contractions is something Ben invented in the universe reboot, like how he later complains he changed the smoothie flavor. Ben perceived Rook as the rule-following, up-tight rookie and literally impressed that upon his entire race by removing contractions from their dialogue.
32:00 thats the thing with post OG Ben 10 is that sometimes they went too extreme with toning in their plots. UAF had moments that made me shocked how serious and dark things were when some of the villains were so easy to defeat or not much of a threat
My fan theory was that the same energy gotten from destroying the universe was the same one Ben used to remake it. That's why alien x was absorbing it in the beginning. So it's the same stuff that made the universe and everyone before just slightly changed.
I think from Ben's POV, since the universe was copied nearly exactly probably made it so he didn't have as much of a reaction, because there are some differences, like Mr Smoothy, but since everyone he knows is made up of pretty much the exact same particles and memories and aren't clones, it technically isn't a loss to him
@@ahaha272 it because he aware they are copies and not the real versions. They exact the same ways as before but omniverse made sure to let you know that they aren't exactly the same through mr smoothies and art style changes.
@@TyandOnGoing What does "real" even mean in this context? From Ben's perspective, everyone is completely the same why should he care about a singular moment in time where everyone was all dead if he resurrected them all perfectly? People put great importance on how every character, except Ben, "ends" here, but why don't we get the same for the trio dying to charmcaster (both in the future Gwen makes with time travel and when she resurrects her father). The gang all die there but since they are brought back that same episode people don't care, so why is this any different?
@@thepbrit because thats the same characters where as these are technically new versions where now the writers can go this is different cause alien x and that just feels cheap and like they upped the stakes for no reason
Sometimes, I feel like the whole "Ben is living in an universe with copies of his dead friends", is attributing a level of depth it doesnt really have. I like to think that its Ben living the reality of the celestial sapiens, aka: Whatever they want it to be, and Ben wanted it to be as close to what it was before the universal genocide, so thats what happened. If anything, the fact that they retcon the art changes into the celestial sapiens remaking the universe, basically means we are never actually following the same characters from one series into the next, just recreated versions of them
@@mayotango1317 Thats not true. did you actually watch the show? Ben is a complicated character that sometimes isn't written the best, just sometimes tho!
@@fennekin1750 Dude, no offense but Ben Tennyson is the Ultimate Gary Stu. Not only did he save the universe a million times, but he was responsible for the Big Bang and the Omnitrix being his at the end of the series. Maybe that's why Rook Bronko is a more relatable and three-dimensional character.
I like to think that the reason why Ben sees the Contumelia as giant smoothies during the final arc with Maltruant is because deep down the events of this episode actually affected him. I think this because the only thing that Ben couldn't recreate accurately as it was were the smoothies (which he claimed tasted different). So he needed to convince himself that he saved everyone. And thus, despite his state of negation, deep down he knows that he is the only survivor. With the smoothies being a constant reminder of that time he actually failed and that's why he sees giant smoothies when he sees the Contumelia. I also think this episode could work as an explanation for Gwen's redesign. Because is likely for Ben to unconsciously see Gwen in her mind being more of a stereotypical nerd than what she actually was. Which is why she gets freckles and glasses as a result after the recreation of the universe that happened in this episode. Because that's the perception that Ben unconsciously had of her when he recreated the universe. The same goes with Rook and contraptions, he probably also perceived Rook as more formal than he actually was and that's why he starts using contraptions right after he remade the universe. And when it comes to the whole "edgy" debate. I personally think that something is edgy when the actions or mentality of a character are needlessly dark. In the case of Ben, that would be anything too extreme that go againts the way he would normally behaves (or any ither character for that matter). To put an example about the difference: Prisoner 775 wanting to kill Colonel Rozum for unfairly put him in prison and then wanting to die at the end for not having anything left in life. That's not edgy, that's dark. Ben stating that he needs to kill Kevin, his best friend, in less than a month/week because "he is dangerous to all the people he cares about and yet not stating at all that he needs to kill villains that were also a threat to his friends and even to literal planets despite fighting them for years, is (in my personal opinion) edgy. Because it has major implications for his character that put him doing actions that he never stated necessary to deal with bigger villains than Kevin in the past. I don't think this episode is silly. Or at least not that silly. Mainly because realistically, Ben being in some kind of denial at the end of this episode would be in line with the magnitude of what he just experienced. But then again, its Omniverse, which as a show is more lighthearted. So maybe they just really wanted a convoluted way to give him a new hoodie XD. But if the whole thing with the Contumelia as giant smoothies is indeed meant to be Ben being unconsciously aware of the fact that he is the only survivor of that event, I think this would make sense with the idea of Ben being in denial in this episode and even in the episode where he goes to trial.
@@mayotango1317 Ben has a ridiculously huge ego and is a horrible boyfriend but he still has seen like three times that there's always a way to bring back Kevin to normal regardless of how bad his mutation gets. Ben even had seen the effects of the item that brought back Kevin to normal. So him stating that he legimately is trying to solve the situation by killing Kevin comes of as just being edgy. Specially when he has never directly stated that he wanted to deal in that way with ridiculously more dangerous villains (literally planetary level threats) in the 10 years that he has been fighting them.
@@SteveCrafts2k Sadly a better explanation is that OV Ben is so out of touch with reality and his life is getting weirder and more wacky that Ben finally went crazy.
@@mayotango1317 No, it's more that Ben became a terrible mix between OS Ben and AF Season 3 Ben. In-universe, having the new Omnitrix inflated his ego once more.
I think I'm finally understanding why Ben keeps character regressing from here onward. It's a coping mechanism for being the sole survivor of the destruction of a whole universe. Sure, we've seen him take personal loss seriously but how many people can handle being the lone survivor of an entire genocide, let alone a whole omnicide? The mind can only take so much loss. If he thought about it even just a little bit, he'd probably be driven insane so to him it's better that he acts nonchalant about it. Why his character would regress before this...well, ya got me. In this new universe, some things aren't completely the same, which leads me to believe that Kevin's UAF backstory used to be real but is not anymore.
Reading it from that lens, it does make sense. Look at Doctor Who, Ben kinda is like the 11th Doctor in a way. Goes overly goofy to deal with being the last of his species for the second time, or arguably third. You can see Ben as doing the same now, not believing they're fully dead, but also realising they're not the same anymore. Just coping in a totally failing way which doesn't quite work to a watcher
@@conradlorgar5508 bcz everyone is not actually dead, they are just in different bodies and every soul is still the same as Legerdomain wasn't destroyed
Since it doesn’t explain it very well, I like to believe that the universe was destroyed but Ben brought all living creatures into the new one he created. Edit: what I think happened (totally just my headcanon though) alien X went back in time to right as the explosion went off and simply copied the universe from there so no one perceived the change. But I refuse to believe that og Rook Kevin Gwen and Grampa all just died.
Remember Kuro, one death is a tragedy. A thousand death is a statistic. And a cachilion death is kinda hard to wrap one’s head around. Also to Ben, if it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck. That’s good enough to Ben.
Well that's just an excuse for bad writing,the writers said that they didn't treat this like they had to because this show was for kids so they didn't give a damn about it to write it better you know
@@harirkhosroanjom8006 in the world of writers, there're certain methods of writing and conveying things. One of the method is letting the readers/ watchers decide what's going on in a particular context or a particular piece of fiction. Yeah, that happens too. Sometimes, you don't need to be spoonfed every little detail to understand the context. You just interpret it the way it fits.
I quickly accepted Alien X's chin for two reasons: First, how later through the series, Alien X is given more spotlight than in UAF, so the chin is a small change that didn't need to be blown out of proportion. And second, remembering Transformers Animated, and the chins that show had, it helped ease me to accepting what had been changed.
I love the TFA & OV artstyle so the last part doesn't really apply to me, but I do kinda agree! I personally like the OV design for Alien X cuz for one hes more visually interesting, I'm not saying UAF design is bad or anything tho, & two IMO the chin & physique actually works for the alien, he looks cool in OV!
I always figured that the Annihilargh triggered here because it was dropped, since the contimilla would just drop it through a hole in their ship, since we saw them not even interact with it, so I guess it’s a height type of thing.
We should pay attention to Rook after this ep because maybe its the case that his species viewing contractions as swears was a result of ben remaking the universe and thats why rook didnt walk that way at first? (as a way of explaining why Rook is swearing up a storm in universe rather than the whole "its because the writers hadnt nailed down his character" reason)
To me, the Annihilarrgh can be used as a threat, but I feel like no one would actually use it on purpose, unless someone could survive the destruction, or travel to another universe. If a person couldn’t survive the blast, then no one In their right mind would turn it on
Exactly. Like nuclear bombs. That's why the frog wanted it. The Vreedles are just dumb enough to activate it tho. Maybe Chronosapien time bombs are used like that too.
that's kinda my personal issue with it, I feel like it'd be a terrible weapon, even as a weapon of persuasion. Again, barring suicidal or stupid users, nobody sane would push the button, so unless you're reallly good at bluffing, nobody would buy you doing it.
@@erikpng Assuming he has the means to do so. I figured that his way out in the And There There Were None two-parter was Eon, buuuut he betrays Eon, gets arrested at the end by this timeline's Max, and somehow is still back to the main timeline offscreen the next time you see him.... *Sigh* I miss when the franchise actually bothered somewhat explaining how villains escape inescapable situations.
@@Theokal3 there are a lot of mentally deranged people on Earth who would push it without caring for themselves so just think how mnay would be there in the entire universe plus it's not meant for normal people to use, it's a device meant for Contumelia to use
My take on the Annihilarrgh, and Ben's reaction to it throughout the episode: The jokes in this episode kind of feel like they're from Ben's perspective. Until it's too late, Ben believed that the bomb just could have been just a fairy tale and everyone was just overreacting. After the recreation of the Universe, those perspectives flip. Now Ben is the only one that believes in the Annihilarrgh is real, while everyone else feels dumb for reacting that way to a dud. Ben's reaction to "duplicating" the Universe is a complicated topic in of itself. He created a dupe Universe where everyone he knows and loves have the exact same memories as before the recreation. Although he acknowledges they aren't the "originals", how are they any different than before? In Ben's perspective, he still found a way to save the Universe. It gets complicated depending on one's definition of "I made an exact clone/dupe of everything" vs like reviving someone. It happened, but also it's how someone moves on from that.
@@mayotango1317"Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental health condition in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others." Just decided to pop this down like the anilargg
In terms of the humourous vs seriousness debate of this episode... unpopular opinion I absolutely love it. As animation/TV/film lovers we start to notice styling tropes, for example if characters/writers find nothing about any situation humorous then we as the audience make the connection "ah ok this is or at least trying to be a story with high dramatic stakes" and if the tone is so light it floats like a balloon we make the connection of "ok we're just supposed to laugh and have a good time" What does any of this actually have to do with anything: well this episode goes very much for a jokey, happy "we're having a comedic romp through space tone, so much so even when... the doomsday device I can't spell gets activated you think "ok it's going to be a countdown that stops at 1 second classic James Bond stuff" and you continue thinking that when Alien X shows up because his billed as Ben's most powerful alien... untill argit taps him and you remember that hot take: with the exception of his first appearance Alien X was _absolutely useless_ up to this point due to the debating that had to happen to do anything whereupon right before it activates and starts taking apart the Universe you realise the light tone was all a hoax for me at least that really worked and I found this episode genuinely disturbing the first time I saw it
That's exactly what the episode was trying to do and it's much more authentic on a first watch. The criticism only comes from knowing the universe will indeed get destroyed.
One of my favourite parts about Omniverse is how they talk about things in episodes before they become relevant like in “Blukic and Driba go to mr smoothies” they say they’re 23 mr smoothies but ben only thought there was 22
It really would've been cool if they had made a small plot-point with Ben missing his old universe and have it pay off at the end of the show when Ben helps save his old universe Also, Ben not being able to say Annihilaargh is the worst running joke in the show tbh
@@silverbreaker9271 yeah but it's played off as comedy, i feel like it should read as "the flavor of the smoothies is his constant reminder of his biggest defeat" but it just reads as "haha he's so obssesed with smoothies ahahaha" you know? Would've made more sense if he showed some seriousness about the situation, maybe playing more straightforward with it being the one big change he notices constantly isntead of it being just a joke
@@silverbreaker9271 maybe the contumelia he sees at the end could've been the old design, so he'd even then still be affected by it and only come in terms with the new universe after he redeems himself by helping create his old one, idk anything that showed this had an impact on Ben
I actually think people look into it waaay too much The idea behind this episode is less "Alien X fixing the damage" but more like "Alien X undoing the damage" Even though we saw them recreating the universe from the begining, From Ben perspective it's more like the reality was just changed
I totally agree, everytime a piece of media deals with replicating living beings in any way people go nuts. in reality the difference between "reviving" or "rewinding" doesn't even matter.
But Ben very clearly says "I made a duplicate of everyone", not "I undid it all." It's not people's fault for overthinking it, it's the writers' fault for formulating specifically in the worst way. They could have had Ben said he just brought everyone back and I guarantee nobody would complain.
@@ricardomiles2957 he says he made copies and theres a reason why in sci fi nobody seems indifferent to a duplicate Rewinding isnt a new me its still me and i will experience that, a duplicate has experiences starting from the point they are made If it was reviving then sure but this isnt that, its the entire issue within body snatcher films, its them but not really
@@conradlorgar5508 what constitutes "you" is a conjuction of your mind and your body, they are one. If you can recreate both, it is, for all instances?you(cough cough i don't care about you Soma cough cough). The atoms that were on your body 10 years aren't there anymore, are a copy then? My point it is all just pointless definitions and in reality don't matter, don't even exist.
Honestly, the Ben 10 Universe seems to be one where souls do in fact exist (Magic in general, along with the body swapping incidents, and Gwen's Astral Projection.). I say it's not unfair to assume Alien X didn't import the souls from the previous universe into the new one. So from the PoV of Ben under that assumption, everyone would be themselves still, not copies
In Ben’s defense for not feeling anything after the universe dies, I personally interpret it as Ben not properly processing what that really means, I mean even looking at a million of something is mind boggling and hard to understand for normal people, imagine trying to comprehend an infinite amount of people while to you they’re still in front of you, the same as they always were, it’s a fucking mind trip that no human could fully comprehend
My guess is when Ben used alien x to recreate the universe, he somehow made it so everyone’s soul went to the cloned universe. This is the only defense I can think of for Ben’s lack of remorse
because it's doesn't matter, thw things he cares for real remain the same. The universe is back. the world you live in is different from the one from yesterday. Realistic only someone with strong religious believes around soul would care
I love that you make better thumbnails for the breakdowns. I used to not click on them in the uaf era. Not because they were boring but I didn't even notice what was the main focus on those thumbnails. Not for hate, just my opinion. Also the edits are better. Keep it up Kuro, I love these breakdowns.
Huh? So you didn't watch the uaf breakdowns when they came out because the thumbnails were bad? Even if it was a new breakdown from the channel? I'm not sure I understand
@@djdragondrawer9339 I mean the filler episodes, the ones that didn't have an arc around them. I watched Ben 10 when I was a kid. So I remember what's good or bad episodes. And the fillers usually didn't connect with me
Slight Re-Write of the final scene just for fun: Rook: "IF what you say is true then are not you being a bit too calm about this? This means that everyone except you has perished" Argit: "Yeah, dude, isn't that like... really messed up?" Ben, laughs bitterly but keeps his smile: "I would rather keep my sanity, thank you very much. I saved you all and everything is FINE!" Rook: "If you say so"
For the sake of my own sanity, I’m gonna pretend like Ben made a copy of the universe(space, time, matter, etc) but resurrected all living beings or at least transferred their spirits into the new verse(cause Ben says he made a copy of the universe and everything in it, but never specified he copied people, and yeah it’d be out of character for Ben to just be cool with those trillions of deaths). So Alien X pulled a Made in Heaven basically
Honestly I think the episode works as a subversion- in some episodes or shows a maggufin is talked up like a super powerful gun, and then it just turns out this big huge cannon’s only purpose is to make ice cream. I think this episode hinges on the audience expecting a fake out where the Annihilarrg just turns out to be a dud (hence why they’re using gimmicky side characters). But then it is a quick 180 to show yes this is a threat, and take us by surprise. Like when a show has everything “going so well” and people are having fun through out their day and then randomly kill a main character. If you view it like that where this episode plays into every bit of the tropes only to follow through with the initial threat I think it works. More as a dark joke but that’s what I think.
In some science fiction, teleportation is considered destroying something/someone, then recreating it in a different location. I think that the reason why Ben isn't freaking out about it is because he thinks he did the same thing. He thinks he just copied the universe before the Annihilargh and placed it right after the Annihilargh. Sure, the smoothie tastes different, but at least everyone's alive, right?
Alrighty, 2 things I forgot to mention. Argit gave the Vreedles the Anihalarh because he was pretty much at gun point. You can't really reason with them. At least that's what I assumed. As for Alien X not being able to rewind time: The universe was completely destroyed by the anigilarg. A void. Before time began there was also no universe. Just a void. And Maltruant couldn't use his time powers. Again, both anihilarg related. Think of it as a file. You can't rewind to certain steps in your drawing if you deleted the file.
28:16 If I remember Mud is Thicker Than Water correctly, both episodes suggest that the Anihilaarg is set off by just the impact on the ground, or a certain velocity when there isn't a ground to hit. What's inside it is more just a light than a button
I want believe when they recreated the universe, they were able too save everyones soul place them in a new bodies, but personal locations changed because that what Ben was recreating, but Bellicus and Serena took care of everything else/everything important. That’s why he’s not sad everyone dead.
I know kuros mentions it enough but the art in omniverse is so good🤧honestly I can see why recently many people have said it’s there favourite version of Ben 10.
Same, man. I think I'll give a deeper insight on why I like it. Cause why not. My take: So you know how the average viewer praises "realistic" art styles. Shows that aren't very stylized and looks somewhat close to real life. But why would someone want to see real life in a C A R T O O N when they see it everyday? Having uniqueness is better for me tbh. And speaking of, let's say all cartoons looked "realistic". Can we really make out which cartoon is which? There's no sense of identity. A style gives the show a sense of identity and allows the artist's personality flow through. That's why the Spider-Verse movies are so beloved.
@@erikpng I agree! But I like some shows that look more realistic, or well comicbook-y, I'm mainly thinking of Young Justice rn! But again I agree, certain shows shine with their stylized artstyles, especially when they look SO good, like OV, TFA, & countless others!
I think what sucks is that; if this happened later in Omniverse, this would’ve 100% been played seriously. This episode really shouldn’t have been so early on.
@@SamirSiraj8542 I highly doubt it since Ben barely takes it seriously and just goes about his business with a smug smile the whole time. All is a game for him.
I think the tone of 'not taking the threat seriously' is to put us in Ben's perspective, and to disarm us into thinking it couldn't possibly happen. And then it actually does and you're left going "oh shit". But you are right about that ending.
It's kinda crazy how disturbing the end of the episode truly is. Everyone and everything we came to know for 3 shows is now completely gone. Everything is just a copy. It's a very real copy but a copy nonetheless. I'm not really sure if the writers truly understood the gravity of what happened. I think they should've made it so that he just reversed time. Because the consequences don't really matter in the larger stake of the show anyways. And the audience isn't left with the horrific realization that their favorite characters are technically dead. And they're just watching copies.
@skyr3ssaep Just reverse time to 10 seconds before it goes off and grab it with Alien X. As much as I like him as a character, he is pretty broken. The only barrier that prevented that was the arbitration. But he bypasses that so there really is no reason that Alien X shouldn't be his go-to all the time.
I wonder if Rook stops using contractions from this point on. Like Ben recreated the universe, and sees Rook as such a follow the rules guy, that he honestly believed Rook didn’t use contractions.
31:13 "Where they can make it seem like they care" That's the thing, they don't. Bellicus and Serena are being shown in their true Multiverse nature, they are above this, Universe being wiped away, big whoop, that's just another Tuesday
I like both Alien X designs, His UAF one is alright a dude made out of space that can warp reality but the OV one isn't bad, I like the built proportions and the chin, it spawned some good memes lol As for the scene yeah I wish they showed more of Ben's reaction, heck if Bellicus and Serena can show Ben what's happening they could have emphasized the moment by showing things like Kevin's car and Max's Plumbing getting wiped not necessarily showing who is getting wiped but to emphasize to Ben and the audience that they're gone and you could still have Bellicus mocking him because why would they care, the annhilarg is childsplay to them they're above all of this, they really could have sold how crazy it would be a lot more, I like the think Ben being nonchalant is him trying to cope with everything which could have been a neat thing for his character
Just finished watching UAF and have now started properly on my first watch thru of Omniverse! so excited to watch an episode and then give your breakdowns a watch!
It is funny that the Alien X remakes the universe segment was always just that. A segment. Nobody talks about the actual episode, which is more than appropriate for the quality of it all beyond action.
This episode feels like it should have been the first episode at least to me. Like I even remember being introduced to Omniverse with this episode and distinctly having the notion that the art style changes and character changes happened because Ben recreated the universe differently than the previous one and that no one commented on the changes cause to them they werent as apparent from their perspective. Interesting enough they would canonize the art style changes later down the line with the celestialsapient court episode.
It's insane how this episode could've LITERALLY been fixed by ONE rewrite. Say that Alien X just rewinded time, that's it, don't say "he remade universe" day "he went back in time, wo it's still OG universe" as for Smoothie changing face, you could just say "that's the consequences of trying to change time, aka butterfly effect and stuff" they can even make a joke about it Ben: "WHY IS SMOOTHIE DIFFERENT FLAVOUR?!? I JUST TURNED ANIHILARG INTO A DUD! 😢"
I really don't think this episode feels like it was meant to be more than a "filler"-ish adventure. It feels to me like they wrote this as a one-off, MAYBE planning to use it as an excuse for retcons. Then later either after the fans pointed out how huge this was or just when they were looking for ideas for later content, they brought back the ideas for the finale.
Kuro, there is no such thing as the "previous universe" or a "new universe", and the characters are still the "authentic versions" of who they were prior. They have to be, just from a logistical perspective. How would Ben have known about any of the new Omniverse antagonists or the Time War or Rad Dudesman or anything about the Anur System? It would have to have been that Alien X or Bellicus or Serena or some other Celestialsapien factor was actually responsible for restoring everything, and if so, we can only presume that all those things Ben could never have known about were brought back completely identically, as they were never implied to have been different in any way prior to the Annihilarrgh going off. And considering that everyone else in the episode looks identical afterward and that the only implied differences caused by the universe reset was Ben getting a new outfit and Mr. Smoothy's change in branding and grape flavoring, it just makes sense that the universe being "destroyed" wasn't treated as a tragedy, because it wasn't destroyed, so it wasn't a tragedy. The universe destruction was just a way for the Omniverse writers to communicate to previous fans that things would change in Omniverse and not everything would stay the same way that it was in Classic and UAF. That's all there is to it.
I feel like I'm one of the few that doesn't see Ben recreating the universe as such a "tragic" event as most people do. Like, it happened and in terms of everything, it is the exact same universe. Is like if you copied a word document and deleted the original file but the copy had *one* miniscule typo. And I watched this episode back around the time it aired. If it was something like, the recreated universe but clearly imperfect, then I would feel that it'd be tragic.
It is my personal headcanon that Ben put the souls of everyone back into their new bodies, so while Ben may be the only one unscathed, technically everyone survived.
28:28 I feel like an explanation is that Argit does not expect Millius (or anyone else for that matter) to actually *use* the anihalarrg, likely he expects that millius will use it as a giant bargaining chip, but again, he never expected anyone to actually *detonate* the *universe destroying bomb*
The "character gimmick" jokes are one of the main reasons Omniverse never clicked with me, I got tired of the "Rook doesn't understand human culture" jokes pretty quickly
Ohhhhhh, I thought I missed an short breakdown with crashopper showing up, I'm glad kuro acknowledge the production order, specially cause I remember the "feedback" ep showing up despite an major plot point. Glad to see the wrong aliens is going high and I'm actually surprised about the acknowledgement of the brothers too. I love 5yl Ben Argent transformation name gave him 18:53 That an good ben reaction Image That bizzare why would ben not like goop or stinkfly. Stinkfly was his go to flyer in Og before jetray - rip - and Big chill came along. And Goop is just very cool Err, Alien X design is fine. The og is better because with the most insane powerfeat coming up, his original design fit more so that you just can't believe that he did just do that over the muscular look This episode really should of been far more serious if all the original cast beside Ben & Serena/Belicus, heck, they could of had an whole special to restore it back and more, anything cause it so dark
plus i think this episode hurts the finale, as the first episode comes back and gives the finale some impact, gwen's line of wanting to see what she's been saving, and ben's motivation in the finale is to see the universe he saw be born and see what he's been saving, except this episode shows that, that universe he saw be born was destroyed by the annihilarg this episode and the universe he goes off to see is the one he managed to recreate. It's a small thing but it feels weird
24:50 To answer your question I think the implication is that the Vreedles were going to beat Argit up if he didn't give it to them, so to save himself he just gave it away... Which I think was supposed to be played off as a joke but they didn't stick the landing
I think that the reason that ben takes re-creating the universe so lightly, is because of the scale of it, it is trillions or quadrillions of lives and it is just not possible for ben to comprehend that, similar to how we know what $1000 is but we cannot comprehend the hundreds of billions of dollars that the richest people in the world have. It's easier to grieve something when it's more specific and centralised
When you really think about it, this plot thread is just disturbing. Imagine being in Ben’s place: You were cornered into no option except for resetting the universe to save it. However…everyone you knew and loved is technically dead. All there is are their alternate selves, and they’re not 100% themselves. Maybe that’s why Ben is so bothered why he couldn’t get the grape smoothie right. It’s a reminder of how much he has to sacrifice in re creating the universe.
I must've accidentally skipped this episode back when I watched the series on TV, because I can't believe all of this happened in episode 4. I was always under the impression that these events were from one of the middle or later seasons.
I wish there was more people fighting for the annihilarg. Like a couple of plumbers led by Max, maybe azmuth with a few Galvans, idk something to make the annihilarg an actual universe ending threat
I always thought the reason they didn't take what was happening seriously was that Ben didn't believe in it and thought nothing would happen so the music and jokes reflected that. Until it was too late
24:34 to be fair to the ‘correcting Ben’ joke, I think it was done differently each time. More characters correct him, all at once at the same time. The characters are in a stand off with each other, double crossing and treachery and all that, but they all stop what they’re doing to correct Ben. I feel like the joke is that they prioritise correcting Ben over what they were doing or who they were fighting, not that Ben us dumb
I think it would be cool if Ben heard these screams from time to time for the rest of the season as some sort of trauma. For example, he sees somebody in danger and hears these screams and goes berserk against the danger
@@Raven_The_Huntress Yeah, at 38:02 I can really imagine Ben telling them "I'm a God now, Rook, so I don't give a fuck what you guys think" and he wouldn't feel out of character.
29:30 I like the chin. It gives me something interesting to look at. Same goes for his more muscular superhero physique. UAF one looks like they just made a default man silhouette, and added stars, green eyes, and the three crown thingies.
I feel like Alien X is drawn pretty inconsistently in Omniverse, but it works for him. An example would be the Rooters episode. He's really buff there. I really like how he looks at 29:39
26:51 they are literally downplaying the end of all existence in the same manner as hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. Is it good? No. But you don't need to ask yourself why anymore. It's all a big reference.
From defeating a street thug in a mech suit to recreating the universe. Omniverse got from 0 to 100 faster than Ben could pronounce Annihilarg
Are you for real? With this episode alone omniverse went from maybe a 60 out of 100 to 0.
@@alos197, I meant the stakes, not quality of the show.
We've went from a city level threat to a universe level one
@@VaultN95 Can't argue with that
*bombastic Sting*
Literally
Kuro: *calls Ben stupid for not being able to say "Annihilaarrgh"*
Also Kuro: *has trouble saying "Azmuth's dad"*
Good point
Also Ascalon
Also Techadorian Multiblaster
I think the Ben not being able to pronounce the annihilargh's name would work better of everyone else called it by its full name and Ben had trouble pronouncing that, with him eventually getting fed up and coining the shortened name.
Oh, yeah that would have been better for sure.
You know what that might have made the joke work
That would've been funnier and more understandable, it would also make Ben not look like a idiot.
That honestly would've been a whole better, and would help make the running gag make a lot more sense
I actually like the fast in world transformations like we see with crashhopper and spider monkey in this episode. I feel like it gives us more of a connection with the rest of the cast, like we’re seeing Ben transform the way the other characters do
Yes!
Real time transformations are pretty cool
@@starseeker3002 Ya!
I understand your point and I can agree to a point but they only do it for us the viewer's and if they are going to bother to do it instead of show it how Kevin or Gwen or vilgax would see it then I'm happy and appreciate the effort.
God, I love LOVE your artistic breakdowns of backgrounds, character designs etc. As an artist it helps a lot
I feel like this is the best representation of OV's strengths and weaknesses.
It has some of the biggest events, lore implications, and most creative uses of aliens, and pairs them up with jokes that don't land or have bad timing, and a lack of seriousness that screws them over.
I feel like OV get better at this overtime but yea those weaknesses never leave especially during the end with the contemelia being smoothies instead of someone important like max.
@@TyandOnGoing Funny, my own impression is that it got *worse* with time. These seasons at least still kinda fit within the continuity of the previous shows.
@@TyandOnGoing i got used by the smoothies, i once saw a comment on reddit that i take as my headcanon now, heres what it said:
"While I agree either seeing max or seeing some of his aliens would’ve been a better choice, I actually kinda get the smoothie thing. It’s not just /a/ smoothie, it’s /mr./ smoothie, the brand mascot.
Whenever Ben defeats some big bad, they went to mr smoothie. When Ben got famous, he did marketing with mr smoothie. When the universe was recreated, mr smoothie was the one reminder of that feat. Heck even after this when he saved all of reality, the next thing we see is him going to mr smoothie.
What Ben values most isn’t the smoothies, it’s BEING A HERO, and since there’s no face to put on the concept of heroics, the contumelia take the form of an icon Ben associated with that. Every big event, every long battle, every time Ben has had a solid victory, he associates that with a trip to mr smoothie."
@@SpectacularSpidey670 this is a phenomenal interpretation.
@@SpectacularSpidey670 that interpretation would work better if their weren't better symbols for heroism and accomplishments.
Alien X chin is like the Crimson Chin.
I love that Alien X gets more screen time in Omniverse.
I always thought it was a Superman reference since both are the ultimate beings in their respective universe, and Superman us drawn with a chad chin in most of his cartoon appearances.
Then again...djw loves big chins so I might be looking too deep into this.
Omniverse is my favorite series and I'm glad DJW gave aliens like FastTrack and Jury Rigg a glow up
Alien X could recreate that clip that's here in youtube where some villains think it's Crimson Chin and then it's revealed it's not him when Mr Crocker says "the Nega Chin!"
It's more likely a reference to the Tick.
While i fully agree with kuro’s opinions on the episode as a whole. As someone who went through a significant and rather unique traumatic event (while nothing universe ending related) I wholeheartedly believe ben’s reaction to the events that happened. While i am adding more than what the show gives, you don’t want to think about it, you don’t want to process it and the thought of it actually happening can crush you to your core, so i genuinely believe ben, who has put on a confident strong time and time again and said to have done that wouldn’t really be sitting with the idea that everyone he knew was dead when they (the new versions) are right in front of him. As for ben’s reaction in universe v tennyson, to an extent i maintain what i stated but also believe there could be censor reasons and tone too
See I could believe that completely if the show alluded to that, even just a little bit. But like I said in the video, you have to apply logic that isn't there to make it make sense. So strictly going off of the show, it's out of character and bad writing.
@@TheInkTank Oh yeah I completely understand that and agree, as much as i love omniverse i feel that there are multiple times (the big ones to me being this, albedo’s insanity and the whole contumelia smoothie thing) the show could really deepen itself by at least alluding to there being more substance to the choices the show makes with its characters, yet the lack of that allusion limits the show to where those possible deeper elements only exists with the interpretations of the fans to where they can appreciate an episode because of how they see it, while those elements aren’t present in the episode to some degree.
@@TheInkTank41:58 whats that on your right?🤨
@@isthereabatinthehouse2242I say Albedo's (not insanity) but more evil attitude is ok. He wasn't going for a redemption. His first in UAF appearance was him torturing people for information and the last one was him trying to put a that thing, which imma call a Headcrab (because references are fun) which would have been excruciatingly painful for Ben and basically game over if medicine wasn't so advanced throughout the universe. And Albedo does acknowledge how he feels about Ben defeating and imprisoning him time and time again.
And he does not deserve to be a galvan again. Him getting stuck as a genetic dublicate of Ben was his own doing. And he's also racist towards humans, so I'd say deserves to be stuck as one. He just became more evil than before.
That must had hurt Ben a lot when Universe vs Tennyson happened. Nearly everyone turned on him because of a bunch of Alien Xs telling him no, you done goofed. That sort of trauma would break a lesser hero
Maybe this is sort of a lazy defense but tbh I don't think the writers themselves considered the implications of remaking the universe. I genuinely think that when they wrote the episode they thought of remaking the universe as being the same as preventing it from being destroyed in the first place. This makes Ben's attitude more understandable
That's a logical explanation, otherwise it be major bad writing on their part.
I really don't get why they didn't just revert everything, that's literally what we first see Alien X do, and later Clockwork does the same, no dark implications there.
Unless they really sacrificed everything for Mr. Smoothie to look different and give Ben a new hoodie💀they could've redesign that from the beginning.
@@orbboom6119wait you're right... they killed everyone just for that
@@iunnoo just like kuro said in a video.
If Omniverse has to choose between a joke and a serious moment, it will choose the joke most of the time☹😭
I mean, why can't they have just revived everyone when they remade it? They can already make a universe, I think restoring souls is well within their power
21:45 even though i usually never 'get' the majority of these pop culture references in omniverse, I love seeing them pointed out in these breakdowns! crazy how many easter eggs there are.
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I like the Omniverse Alien X design, but I get the feeling that it's a staple of Derrick J. Wyatt, as he also worked on Transformers Animated and characters like Optimus or Sentinel also had massive chins. I guess this was his way of depicting someone that's heroic, masculine, and powerful, which explains why Alien X looks the way he does.
No one:
Derrick J. Wyatt: Give the guy a Chad chin.
Just look at Fred in Mystery Inc. He doesnt have a chin that goes forwards, but he does have a chin that goes down, and as a result has a very big head like those previously mentioned examples. Thats just how Derrick portrayed jocks/ buff dudes. He could do the regular look but he made a conscious decision to make the difference.
@@Bionickpunk to be fair we all hate Sentinel
I figured that as well, but that's kinda the issue for me: Ben's aliens should *not* look heroic and masculine, they should look like bizarre otherworldly monsters. Things that you'd normally expect to be random villains or monsters in a superhero show or a horror movie rather than straight superheroes. It's part of what made the classic designs work for me at least.
i like the chin, stuff like big nose, or big eyes gives personality to the design, and has you said yes is a despicting of something brave and heroic, reminds me alot of One Piece where Oda gives goofy stuff to characters like Vegapunk or Wapol for exemple lmao
Honestly, for a story where the universe is destroyed and Ben is left as the sole survivor having to recreate it, I always felt the episode or characters never really treated it with the gravitas it deserved. As you said, while Omniverse is a much more lighthearted show compared to its predecessors, it's shown capable of being serious when the situation calls for it.
I enjoy Omniverse but the tone of the show is off. Honestly Ben is way too ok with everyone he knows and loves dying and having to bring them back possibly improperly (as shown with mr.smoothie sign)
All I can say is JOJO’s bizarre adventure part 6 did this story better. It actually had Gravitas even in the aftermath when the universe reboots and spoilers
Emporio is the sole survivor of the old universe.
@@bearerofbadnews1375 didn't think I would find a fellow jojo fan here. Have a nice day fellow jojo fan.
This episode is pretty much omniverse in 20 min. The most serious events happen and nobody gives a crap, and then laugh about it.
@@blackfox7309 If he kept his character development from Alien Force and Ultimate Alien, he would’ve realized he didn’t resurrect them, only create their duplicates. He would’ve trembled and fall to his knees and scream in grief and horror that everyone he loved and grew up with is gone forever. He would vow to never again underestimate the stakes and hold back for the sake of protecting his family and his universe.
Ah yes, the episode that did Alien X justice and showed one of the most powerful feats of Ben 10 himself
Unrelated to the comment, but I love the Geats PFP
@@jtd3960 same here
the day alien x recreated an infinite omniverse, genuinely one of my favourite feats lol
Really did do him justice he just felt eh in uaf
Don't tell Death Battle then. I don't think they know.🤣🤣🤣
I think the one continuity error with Crashhopper could’ve easily been fixed just by swapping this episode with It Was Them. They’re back to back and when I watched it like that it was a pretty easy fix. That’s literally the only issue with production order and it’s pretty easy to just swap it for personal viewing.
Ya!
I watched it on streaming and that's how they did it
Or maybe ben could have picked another alien
When you realize that Ben saying goodbye to Gwen and Kevin in "The More Things Change" really is the last time Ben ever sees the real Gwen and Kevin.
Gwen says "It's not like we're never gonna see each other again".
And they never do because of this episode.
Why'd you make me think about this
Fuck you why did you make me have an existential crisis
Well that was a gut punch wtf
God damn it.
Dam now I’m crying
I love how this episode, where we first learn of the Contemelia, is called "So Long, And thanks for all the Smoothies" and in the finale when we finally see the Contemelia, they are smoothies at least in Ben's perspective.
Fun HGTTG reference
Woudlve been neat if they were the old smoothie design tho
@@mertensiam3384 True lol
@@creed8712 I don't understand, explain plz.
@InevitableOption-ic2vx OH! Thx!
This episode is both amazing and incredibly sad at the same time, Cause it showed how powerful and awesome Alien X is ,but at the same time you realize the characters that you’ve spent years loving are actually now dead
And upon realizing that he failed them and that they’re gone forever, he would’ve scream in grief, sorrow and horror, taking responsibility for the Anallarg incident. He would vow to never let that happen again and grow up even more.
@@calvinkopp1735 but what we got was Ben appreciated of clones of his dead loved ones and home ☠️
they aren't dead, the souls are the same as Legerdomain wasn't destroyed but they do have different bodies
I don't think you understand what "death" actually means....
@@theamazingspooderman2697 its a science fiction show. Soul dont exist
Really wished Omniverse went with Kuro’s idea that after the Vreedle brothers became plumbers, Ma Vreedle made new clones of them to keep her boys evil and so there’d be two pairs of them.
Could even see them have a scene like this. “How did you you know they would do that?” “Because that’s what we would’ve done.”
I just want a whole box of every missed opportunity or alternate idea Kuro has come up. Either for fun AU fuel or at the very least a neat little bingo sheet if a new ben 10 show comes up
yeah that's kinda what I think they should have done. I mean come on, it was RIGHT THERE! They could have had good Vreedle and criminal Vreedle co-existing and it would even be coherent!
Maybe there's even a turf war between the Vreedles that Ben and the good Vreedle boys have to stop.
they didn't worked as Plumbers, who even let them inside in the first place (given their track records)
it was also repetitive as whenever there is a good guy they make them a Plumber, happened with Cooper, the Plumber Helpers
@@theamazingspooderman2697 I mean, they do not work as villains either objectively :p they *are* quite possibly the most incompetent and stupid villains in Ben's rogues gallery.
Joke aside, yeah, they weren't that interesting as Plumbers, but again, they could have just used another set of clones to keep villainous Vreedle without having to reset progress.
I am honestly a big fan of Ben saying “believe me or not, I saved the universe, that’s all that matters” he does not care about the fame or recognition beyond joking about it. He cares about helping. I always saw his lack of reaction as his inability to fully understand the amount of things that are not quite the same. The process of creating the universe is beyond him and as far as he can understand, all the people he loves might as well be the originals, that is just how I see it I guess.
Yeah, Ben is a sociopath now.
@@mayotango1317?????
But he didn't save it tho. He was a clown until the moment it exploded. And it was for the funny, there's no theme or lesson there.
@@PPrexor-qk9vq He didn’t cause it to go off while pursuing it from the wrong hands the entire episode and Alien X made a duplicate.
If you break a glass and put it back together it’s the same cup
@@PPrexor-qk9vq how was he a clown? u will seriously believe a story parents used to tell their kids to scare them so they sleep early as a threat especially since nothing like that has ever happened in Ben 10 before?
and he saved it, the people are all the same as Legerdomain wasnt destroyed and the original souls weren't either so they are the same people but in different bodies
Honestly I really love this episode. It really plays well when you look at it as an absurdist story. It's essentially 4 different factions fighting over a big red button that they heard when they were kids could blow up the universe. They leaned into it pretty well with planting the idea in the audience's mind that it was meant to just be a myth/story with the forboding blaring horn going off everytime they say the name to force making it seem forboding, and then they drop the other shoe to reveal that no, they were being serious about the Anihalarrg being a universe destroyer the whole time.
10 on premise, 0 on execution.
@@PPrexor-qk9vq No. 10 on premise, 1 on execution.
@@fennekin1750 fellas its a 1-5 scale
If Ben is in denial about what happened to the universe then he's doing a really good job of hiding it
knowing omniverse's ben, i wouldn't be surprised he considered "copy = original"
@@ianr.navahuber2195 yeah best not to think about it
@@ianr.navahuber2195 Which makes it baffling.
It is kind of surreal to acknowledge that the show took a scene that features the simultaneous final screams of everyone in the universe and underplayed the sheer scale and severity of that scenario. I do not think I could have worked on the show and been happy with passing over such a haunting scene/idea so quickly.
The recreation of the universe was near-masterfully presented, but the destruction of it was kind of underwhelming - again, because they came up with such an amazing idea and kind of just pushed it under the rug. Most people find the dying screams of a handful of people to be traumatic. Ben was hearing the dying screams of EVERY person in the universe, and the show does not show us that he cares at all (so far).
Awesome video as always, Kuro. The detail of those screams just made me feel compelled to share some thoughts.
My favorite part of this episode is NRG's iconic quote. Honestly NRG in general is just one of my favorite aliens. You wouldn't expect the walking oven to be so cool, but he just works so well.
facts. NRG is just G O O D
I kind of just assumed Bellicus saying "It's too late" was a response to Ben wanting to STOP the Annihilarrgh, and his response was just him going "Yeah, it's already gone off and stuff is destroyed, can't really stop it to save the day"
Alien X is likely powerful enough to stop an Annihilargh, considering that it can recreate and likely destroy Universes plus Celestialsapiens are likely more powerful than the Contumelia and their creations.
Plus the whole Chronosapien time bomb thing, being as powerful as infinite Anihilaargs
@@GamingGreen21thats not how the time bomb works, it seemingly erased a moment in time(Ben prime getting the omnitrix) hence why the alternate universes came back by making sure that moment actually did happen, allowing for the big team up
@@Emily12471 Vilgax himself said it took out every other universe. The reason No Watch Ben and Paradox went back to that moment was because there wasn't a single universe left where Ben found the Omnitrix. They basically changed No Watch Ben's timeline to save the others
@@GamingGreen21 No they didn't, they went back to ben primes timeline, we know because we saw ben prime join in again
For the comment on Belicus and Serena stating Ben would be trapped in alien X forever, I took that more as them telling keeping Ben there so they could have a tie breaker and less that they couldn't turn him back. Then finally they did because they realized that Ben wasn't willing to work with them, especially when lives were on the line.
Thats what I thought, too!
28:27 I mean I can see your perspective on this. But something to remember is the Incursions are an empire so Emperor Milleous wouldn't just wake up and just decide to destroy the universe because as Omniverse shows Milleous is very serious about his job and thinks very carefully about what he will do to conquer it. In fact, Argit probably didnt even think of the possibility of Milleous coming to threaten to conquer the Earth which he does later. He probably just thought Milleous would just take it pay Argit and then use it in running his empire.
Hell even in UAF Milleous is shown to be picky choosy about what he destroys, choosing to destroy places that slight him, or to make an example
I feel like Kuro shouldn’t do quick reviews on season 1 because it’s very important to the lore that happened later on the show
At least 2 episodes can get quick reviews which is next episode and that episode Patelliday is kidnapped
At the very least not the ester episode
Agreed
The only episode that should have a quick review is the hokestar one
I feel like hot stretch is genuinely the best episode in the first season, the plot works,
Its entertaining and the animation is just amazing
Omniverse was the series that FINALLY gave us a sense of just how powerful the cosmic side of the Ben 10 Universe truly is.
Classic was relatively small in scale.
UAF spent many episodes hyping up the godly abilities of the Celestial Sapiens as well as the Naljians and Diagon, but they either did nothing during the little screentime they got or were so underwhelming that they completely failed to stick the landing (*cough Diagon).
But then OV came around and was like “yeah, there’s an entire race of higher dimensional beings that destroy and create universes for their own leisure, but Alien X doesn’t give a shit about that. Watch”… in the span of 4 episodes. And that’s all it takes to disprove the notion of empty hype.
I think the map of infinity arc did this well too, since the end goal was the forge of creation but they were so many obstacles to get there
@@ahaha272 Oh yeah, that arc had great scope and worldbuilding for sure. But the repercussions of Celestial Sapiens powers in the wrong hands was still more or less left to the imagination.
Which is all well and good because it was too early to see the universe get blown up. But Omniverse earned my respect for taking the seeds planted by Ultimate Aliens and visualizing them.
“They can just blink, and you’ll be gone” or “ Thoughts become reality” were ominous before but had more weight after OV.
Like you say in the reply I like how it built upon what was set up in Ultimate Alien. I remember always wanting to think about how strong Alien X is but there were literally only statements at the time. Nothing else except the 1st appearance in the show where he reverses time which is cool but doesn't explain how he's like a literal god. And then the map of infinity arc makes lots of statements about them and they even go beyond their universe to reach them. But again, we never see them do anything. Then Omniverse in literally the 4th episode just decided oh here's the entire universe getting destroyed and then here's Ben as Alien X casually remaking it 😅
Just because they delivered on the cosmic thing doesn't mean they did it right.
@@Theokal3but… they did? They actually show Alien X's power and the celestialsapiens and what they're capable of as a whole.
They also show us the power of the chronospapiens and a race of Gods casually creating universes.
I've always wondered if Professor Paradox didn't survive this incident seeing as he can travel to alternate dimensions and seems to know everything that will happen in Ben Prime's universe. Isn't it possible that he simply left to an alternate universe for a few minutes and thus survive?
Good point
He probably knew it was going to happen anyway or saw that something was off and left.
I mean, his very existence transcends the bounds of time, plus he can create Barriers existing outside the Universe made to hide a realm where many gods live in and can somehow get away from said gods, also he can travel through any universe, dimension, and timeline too. I think he can survive or escape from a Universal Destruction event.
Paradox definitely survived, if he can survive the Chronosapien time bomb (which is just an Annihilarrg but for infinite universes and timelines) then he could definitely just slip away from this one.
I think the argument can be made that Ben doesn't even consider that it could be "all my friends are dead and these are merely copies of them". As Sci-Fi nerds these concepts are familiar, we've seen these before in stories so it's easy to come to that conclusion that this means everyone is dead, but when you aren't you might think that doing this saved the day and all is fixed. Other characters might come to that conclusion like Gwen or Paradox, but no one believes him right now. The failing moreso is in that when it's revealed to everyone that there isn't anything done with it
Yeah. I mean from his perspective. They're legit the same people with the same personalities and same faces. He probably views the smoothies as the only thing he hasn't saved because it's not the same at all.
Not to mention that in ua, souls were pretty much confirmed, so he probably figures(likely rightly)that alien X put those souls into the new universe
I’m always excited to see a new breakdown cuz I work early shifts every Saturday, and now I get to look forward to this every 10 am on break, yayyy
Ben: "I created an exact duplicate universe Rook."
Rook: "So everyone, besides you, are dead."
Ben: "Well... yeah, but best not to think about that."
RJ: "Why not just reverse time to stop it that way, then nobody dies."
Ben: (Sips his smoothie louder not having thought of that)
Because I think annilarg erases matter and time to the point where the dimension is just a void. So there is no remembrance left of the earlier universe and he can't reverse time since time doesn't exist in that void now.
@@gamingapocalypse7973 No because time can’t be created or destroyed
@@Batman-lg2zj wait wasn't time destroyed in this very episode? Isn't time created when a universe is created? If it isn't then why couldn't paradox or Maltruant travel back to the beginning w/o the time beast egg?
@@Batman-lg2zj check last episode
@@Batman-lg2zj bruh annilarg sort of create and destroy time and space at the same time. Without that the void is empty.
I mean maybe Rook and contractions is something Ben invented in the universe reboot, like how he later complains he changed the smoothie flavor. Ben perceived Rook as the rule-following, up-tight rookie and literally impressed that upon his entire race by removing contractions from their dialogue.
That’s exactly what I was thinking, too. Idk, does Rook still use them after this episode?
32:00 thats the thing with post OG Ben 10 is that sometimes they went too extreme with toning in their plots.
UAF had moments that made me shocked how serious and dark things were when some of the villains were so easy to defeat or not much of a threat
My fan theory was that the same energy gotten from destroying the universe was the same one Ben used to remake it.
That's why alien x was absorbing it in the beginning.
So it's the same stuff that made the universe and everyone before just slightly changed.
Ben 10 Omniverse was my first introduction to Multiverse and Timelines.
Me too.
It was first set up in the UA episode, "Ben 10,000 Returns", but Omniverse did the job of expanding upon it.
@@acmeanvil3022 well it was also where paradox takes them to the place where alien x lives
for me was UAF with paradox
Mine was 90s Spiderman series with its own finale of Spiderverse episodes with Madame Web.
I think from Ben's POV, since the universe was copied nearly exactly probably made it so he didn't have as much of a reaction, because there are some differences, like Mr Smoothy, but since everyone he knows is made up of pretty much the exact same particles and memories and aren't clones, it technically isn't a loss to him
Exactly, I’m not sure why there would be any trauma when everyone is still here
@@ahaha272 it because he aware they are copies and not the real versions. They exact the same ways as before but omniverse made sure to let you know that they aren't exactly the same through mr smoothies and art style changes.
@@ahaha272 same.
@@TyandOnGoing What does "real" even mean in this context?
From Ben's perspective, everyone is completely the same why should he care about a singular moment in time where everyone was all dead if he resurrected them all perfectly?
People put great importance on how every character, except Ben, "ends" here, but why don't we get the same for the trio dying to charmcaster (both in the future Gwen makes with time travel and when she resurrects her father). The gang all die there but since they are brought back that same episode people don't care, so why is this any different?
@@thepbrit because thats the same characters where as these are technically new versions where now the writers can go this is different cause alien x and that just feels cheap and like they upped the stakes for no reason
Sometimes, I feel like the whole "Ben is living in an universe with copies of his dead friends", is attributing a level of depth it doesnt really have. I like to think that its Ben living the reality of the celestial sapiens, aka: Whatever they want it to be, and Ben wanted it to be as close to what it was before the universal genocide, so thats what happened. If anything, the fact that they retcon the art changes into the celestial sapiens remaking the universe, basically means we are never actually following the same characters from one series into the next, just recreated versions of them
isn't it that celestialsapiens are just changing how things look rather than recreateing the universe over and over again?
Thats part of the issue, it presents depth and then skips actually addressing it
If you cant actually address a topic with its dues then why add it in
No, Ben is a sociopath now with a godlike ego.
@@mayotango1317 Thats not true. did you actually watch the show? Ben is a complicated character that sometimes isn't written the best, just sometimes tho!
@@fennekin1750 Dude, no offense but Ben Tennyson is the Ultimate Gary Stu. Not only did he save the universe a million times, but he was responsible for the Big Bang and the Omnitrix being his at the end of the series.
Maybe that's why Rook Bronko is a more relatable and three-dimensional character.
I like to think that the reason why Ben sees the Contumelia as giant smoothies during the final arc with Maltruant is because deep down the events of this episode actually affected him. I think this because the only thing that Ben couldn't recreate accurately as it was were the smoothies (which he claimed tasted different). So he needed to convince himself that he saved everyone. And thus, despite his state of negation, deep down he knows that he is the only survivor. With the smoothies being a constant reminder of that time he actually failed and that's why he sees giant smoothies when he sees the Contumelia.
I also think this episode could work as an explanation for Gwen's redesign. Because is likely for Ben to unconsciously see Gwen in her mind being more of a stereotypical nerd than what she actually was. Which is why she gets freckles and glasses as a result after the recreation of the universe that happened in this episode. Because that's the perception that Ben unconsciously had of her when he recreated the universe. The same goes with Rook and contraptions, he probably also perceived Rook as more formal than he actually was and that's why he starts using contraptions right after he remade the universe.
And when it comes to the whole "edgy" debate. I personally think that something is edgy when the actions or mentality of a character are needlessly dark. In the case of Ben, that would be anything too extreme that go againts the way he would normally behaves (or any ither character for that matter). To put an example about the difference:
Prisoner 775 wanting to kill Colonel Rozum for unfairly put him in prison and then wanting to die at the end for not having anything left in life. That's not edgy, that's dark.
Ben stating that he needs to kill Kevin, his best friend, in less than a month/week because "he is dangerous to all the people he cares about and yet not stating at all that he needs to kill villains that were also a threat to his friends and even to literal planets despite fighting them for years, is (in my personal opinion) edgy. Because it has major implications for his character that put him doing actions that he never stated necessary to deal with bigger villains than Kevin in the past.
I don't think this episode is silly. Or at least not that silly. Mainly because realistically, Ben being in some kind of denial at the end of this episode would be in line with the magnitude of what he just experienced. But then again, its Omniverse, which as a show is more lighthearted. So maybe they just really wanted a convoluted way to give him a new hoodie XD.
But if the whole thing with the Contumelia as giant smoothies is indeed meant to be Ben being unconsciously aware of the fact that he is the only survivor of that event, I think this would make sense with the idea of Ben being in denial in this episode and even in the episode where he goes to trial.
No, Ben is a sociopath now with a godlike ego.
But, Buffy also had to try to kill his friends. th-cam.com/video/lIEbBOA2EI8/w-d-xo.html
@@mayotango1317
Ben has a ridiculously huge ego and is a horrible boyfriend but he still has seen like three times that there's always a way to bring back Kevin to normal regardless of how bad his mutation gets.
Ben even had seen the effects of the item that brought back Kevin to normal. So him stating that he legimately is trying to solve the situation by killing Kevin comes of as just being edgy. Specially when he has never directly stated that he wanted to deal in that way with ridiculously more dangerous villains (literally planetary level threats) in the 10 years that he has been fighting them.
This is a nice explanation...if only the show went with this instead of "lol, Ben loves smoothies more than he does his own grandpa.".
@@SteveCrafts2k Sadly a better explanation is that OV Ben is so out of touch with reality and his life is getting weirder and more wacky that Ben finally went crazy.
@@mayotango1317
No, it's more that Ben became a terrible mix between OS Ben and AF Season 3 Ben.
In-universe, having the new Omnitrix inflated his ego once more.
34:23 I love that part so freaking much music and visuals. One of the best things about Omniverse to me.
I think I'm finally understanding why Ben keeps character regressing from here onward. It's a coping mechanism for being the sole survivor of the destruction of a whole universe. Sure, we've seen him take personal loss seriously but how many people can handle being the lone survivor of an entire genocide, let alone a whole omnicide? The mind can only take so much loss.
If he thought about it even just a little bit, he'd probably be driven insane so to him it's better that he acts nonchalant about it.
Why his character would regress before this...well, ya got me.
In this new universe, some things aren't completely the same, which leads me to believe that Kevin's UAF backstory used to be real but is not anymore.
That would work if character regression wasn't an issue before this.
The show never implies that hes coping not even a hint at any effect on him
Theres a difference between cope and indifference
If it were true, Ben would be laughing hysterically.
Reading it from that lens, it does make sense.
Look at Doctor Who, Ben kinda is like the 11th Doctor in a way. Goes overly goofy to deal with being the last of his species for the second time, or arguably third. You can see Ben as doing the same now, not believing they're fully dead, but also realising they're not the same anymore. Just coping in a totally failing way which doesn't quite work to a watcher
@@conradlorgar5508 bcz everyone is not actually dead, they are just in different bodies and every soul is still the same as Legerdomain wasn't destroyed
Since it doesn’t explain it very well, I like to believe that the universe was destroyed but Ben brought all living creatures into the new one he created.
Edit: what I think happened (totally just my headcanon though) alien X went back in time to right as the explosion went off and simply copied the universe from there so no one perceived the change. But I refuse to believe that og Rook Kevin Gwen and Grampa all just died.
Then they would have noticed that the Mr Smoothie sign is 3D rather than 2D yet no one ever mentions it
@@axelnilsson5124 Collectimus
I think the same. They are the same beings just without specific memory
So Alien X pulled a Made in Heaven when recreating the universe
@@namesdontmattergaming2756 Yeah
Remember Kuro, one death is a tragedy. A thousand death is a statistic. And a cachilion death is kinda hard to wrap one’s head around. Also to Ben, if it looks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck. That’s good enough to Ben.
Well that's just an excuse for bad writing,the writers said that they didn't treat this like they had to because this show was for kids so they didn't give a damn about it to write it better you know
@@harirkhosroanjom8006Its not bad writing if it makes sense
@@harirkhosroanjom8006 in the world of writers, there're certain methods of writing and conveying things. One of the method is letting the readers/ watchers decide what's going on in a particular context or a particular piece of fiction. Yeah, that happens too. Sometimes, you don't need to be spoonfed every little detail to understand the context. You just interpret it the way it fits.
11:14 As if Ben would sit down and READ a manual
Maybe he’d do it similarly to how Puss did in the penultimate episode of season 2 of the adventures of Puss in Boots
I quickly accepted Alien X's chin for two reasons:
First, how later through the series, Alien X is given more spotlight than in UAF, so the chin is a small change that didn't need to be blown out of proportion.
And second, remembering Transformers Animated, and the chins that show had, it helped ease me to accepting what had been changed.
I love the TFA & OV artstyle so the last part doesn't really apply to me, but I do kinda agree! I personally like the OV design for Alien X cuz for one hes more visually interesting, I'm not saying UAF design is bad or anything tho, & two IMO the chin & physique actually works for the alien, he looks cool in OV!
I always figured that the Annihilargh triggered here because it was dropped, since the contimilla would just drop it through a hole in their ship, since we saw them not even interact with it, so I guess it’s a height type of thing.
We should pay attention to Rook after this ep because maybe its the case that his species viewing contractions as swears was a result of ben remaking the universe and thats why rook didnt walk that way at first? (as a way of explaining why Rook is swearing up a storm in universe rather than the whole "its because the writers hadnt nailed down his character" reason)
I was just thinking the same thing
To me, the Annihilarrgh can be used as a threat, but I feel like no one would actually use it on purpose, unless someone could survive the destruction, or travel to another universe. If a person couldn’t survive the blast, then no one In their right mind would turn it on
Exactly. Like nuclear bombs. That's why the frog wanted it. The Vreedles are just dumb enough to activate it tho.
Maybe Chronosapien time bombs are used like that too.
that's kinda my personal issue with it, I feel like it'd be a terrible weapon, even as a weapon of persuasion. Again, barring suicidal or stupid users, nobody sane would push the button, so unless you're reallly good at bluffing, nobody would buy you doing it.
@@Theokal3 understandable. Vilgax would actually use it and then go to another universe. Heh.
@@erikpng Assuming he has the means to do so. I figured that his way out in the And There There Were None two-parter was Eon, buuuut he betrays Eon, gets arrested at the end by this timeline's Max, and somehow is still back to the main timeline offscreen the next time you see him....
*Sigh* I miss when the franchise actually bothered somewhat explaining how villains escape inescapable situations.
@@Theokal3 there are a lot of mentally deranged people on Earth who would push it without caring for themselves so just think how mnay would be there in the entire universe
plus it's not meant for normal people to use, it's a device meant for Contumelia to use
My take on the Annihilarrgh, and Ben's reaction to it throughout the episode: The jokes in this episode kind of feel like they're from Ben's perspective. Until it's too late, Ben believed that the bomb just could have been just a fairy tale and everyone was just overreacting. After the recreation of the Universe, those perspectives flip. Now Ben is the only one that believes in the Annihilarrgh is real, while everyone else feels dumb for reacting that way to a dud.
Ben's reaction to "duplicating" the Universe is a complicated topic in of itself. He created a dupe Universe where everyone he knows and loves have the exact same memories as before the recreation. Although he acknowledges they aren't the "originals", how are they any different than before? In Ben's perspective, he still found a way to save the Universe. It gets complicated depending on one's definition of "I made an exact clone/dupe of everything" vs like reviving someone. It happened, but also it's how someone moves on from that.
Yeah, Ben is a sociopath now.
@@mayotango1317"Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental health condition in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others." Just decided to pop this down like the anilargg
@@theenderdestruction2362 And at the end of the series we see that the only thing he appreciates most in his life are Mr Smoothy.
@@mayotango1317 thats not how those aliens work and let's be honest here that was stupid so your argument is failing pretty bad
@@theenderdestruction2362 Still Rook had a great moment when he say that he watch his father proud of him.
In terms of the humourous vs seriousness debate of this episode... unpopular opinion I absolutely love it.
As animation/TV/film lovers we start to notice styling tropes, for example if characters/writers find nothing about any situation humorous then we as the audience make the connection "ah ok this is or at least trying to be a story with high dramatic stakes" and if the tone is so light it floats like a balloon we make the connection of "ok we're just supposed to laugh and have a good time"
What does any of this actually have to do with anything: well this episode goes very much for a jokey, happy "we're having a comedic romp through space tone, so much so even when... the doomsday device I can't spell gets activated you think "ok it's going to be a countdown that stops at 1 second classic James Bond stuff" and you continue thinking that when Alien X shows up because his billed as Ben's most powerful alien... untill argit taps him and you remember that hot take: with the exception of his first appearance Alien X was _absolutely useless_ up to this point due to the debating that had to happen to do anything whereupon right before it activates and starts taking apart the Universe you realise the light tone was all a hoax
for me at least that really worked and I found this episode genuinely disturbing the first time I saw it
That's exactly what the episode was trying to do and it's much more authentic on a first watch. The criticism only comes from knowing the universe will indeed get destroyed.
One of my favourite parts about Omniverse is how they talk about things in episodes before they become relevant like in “Blukic and Driba go to mr smoothies” they say they’re 23 mr smoothies but ben only thought there was 22
I think Alien Force did that better with the Highbreed arc.
@@mayotango1317 I don’t mean like an arc I just like how it was little bits building up to an episode but the highbreed arc was built up to very well
@@mayotango1317 except when u remember that the trio knew DNAliens were people but under control and yet beat the shit out of the DNAliens everytime
It really would've been cool if they had made a small plot-point with Ben missing his old universe and have it pay off at the end of the show when Ben helps save his old universe
Also, Ben not being able to say Annihilaargh is the worst running joke in the show tbh
Well we see he really miss it, he would have a breakdown on the Alien X trial about how the smoothie flavor is not the same anymore.
@@silverbreaker9271 yeah but it's played off as comedy, i feel like it should read as "the flavor of the smoothies is his constant reminder of his biggest defeat" but it just reads as "haha he's so obssesed with smoothies ahahaha" you know?
Would've made more sense if he showed some seriousness about the situation, maybe playing more straightforward with it being the one big change he notices constantly isntead of it being just a joke
@@silverbreaker9271 maybe the contumelia he sees at the end could've been the old design, so he'd even then still be affected by it and only come in terms with the new universe after he redeems himself by helping create his old one, idk anything that showed this had an impact on Ben
Because Ben is Peter Griffin now.
@@mayotango1317 what
I actually think people look into it waaay too much
The idea behind this episode is less "Alien X fixing the damage" but more like "Alien X undoing the damage"
Even though we saw them recreating the universe from the begining, From Ben perspective it's more like the reality was just changed
I totally agree, everytime a piece of media deals with replicating living beings in any way people go nuts. in reality the difference between "reviving" or "rewinding" doesn't even matter.
But Ben very clearly says "I made a duplicate of everyone", not "I undid it all." It's not people's fault for overthinking it, it's the writers' fault for formulating specifically in the worst way. They could have had Ben said he just brought everyone back and I guarantee nobody would complain.
@@ricardomiles2957 he says he made copies and theres a reason why in sci fi nobody seems indifferent to a duplicate
Rewinding isnt a new me its still me and i will experience that, a duplicate has experiences starting from the point they are made
If it was reviving then sure but this isnt that, its the entire issue within body snatcher films, its them but not really
You even say "from what the show tells us its not that" then say "but it is"
What?
@@conradlorgar5508 what constitutes "you" is a conjuction of your mind and your body, they are one. If you can recreate both, it is, for all instances?you(cough cough i don't care about you Soma cough cough). The atoms that were on your body 10 years aren't there anymore, are a copy then? My point it is all just pointless definitions and in reality don't matter, don't even exist.
Honestly, the Ben 10 Universe seems to be one where souls do in fact exist (Magic in general, along with the body swapping incidents, and Gwen's Astral Projection.). I say it's not unfair to assume Alien X didn't import the souls from the previous universe into the new one.
So from the PoV of Ben under that assumption, everyone would be themselves still, not copies
Wait, is that meant to be a double negative
This can easily be disproved by the fact that nobody notices the Mr. Smoothie logo being different.
In Ben’s defense for not feeling anything after the universe dies, I personally interpret it as Ben not properly processing what that really means, I mean even looking at a million of something is mind boggling and hard to understand for normal people, imagine trying to comprehend an infinite amount of people while to you they’re still in front of you, the same as they always were, it’s a fucking mind trip that no human could fully comprehend
My guess is when Ben used alien x to recreate the universe, he somehow made it so everyone’s soul went to the cloned universe. This is the only defense I can think of for Ben’s lack of remorse
So basically Stone Ocean’s ending but the universe was recreated instead of being sped up to the point of resetting.
because it's doesn't matter, thw things he cares for real remain the same. The universe is back. the world you live in is different from the one from yesterday. Realistic only someone with strong religious believes around soul would care
@@ricardomiles2957 not really the case. More so anyone who can be sentimental would care.
That's the most logical way of explaining it.
@@ricardomiles2957 And it proves Ben is a psychopath.
Nice video yet again Kuro ! Keep it up my man
bro comment after you watch video lol
I love that you make better thumbnails for the breakdowns. I used to not click on them in the uaf era. Not because they were boring but I didn't even notice what was the main focus on those thumbnails. Not for hate, just my opinion. Also the edits are better. Keep it up Kuro, I love these breakdowns.
Huh?
So you didn't watch the uaf breakdowns when they came out because the thumbnails were bad? Even if it was a new breakdown from the channel?
I'm not sure I understand
@@djdragondrawer9339 I mean the filler episodes, the ones that didn't have an arc around them. I watched Ben 10 when I was a kid. So I remember what's good or bad episodes. And the fillers usually didn't connect with me
Slight Re-Write of the final scene just for fun:
Rook: "IF what you say is true then are not you being a bit too calm about this? This means that everyone except you has perished"
Argit: "Yeah, dude, isn't that like... really messed up?"
Ben, laughs bitterly but keeps his smile: "I would rather keep my sanity, thank you very much. I saved you all and everything is FINE!"
Rook: "If you say so"
Yes, but maybe a slight change to Ben's response!
that's a bit too direct response from ben, you just don't say something like that
THAT would be so much better.
Rook: "...Ben, as difficult this would be, and as much as I doubt this I believe you need therapy."
For the sake of my own sanity, I’m gonna pretend like Ben made a copy of the universe(space, time, matter, etc) but resurrected all living beings or at least transferred their spirits into the new verse(cause Ben says he made a copy of the universe and everything in it, but never specified he copied people, and yeah it’d be out of character for Ben to just be cool with those trillions of deaths).
So Alien X pulled a Made in Heaven basically
Honestly I think the episode works as a subversion- in some episodes or shows a maggufin is talked up like a super powerful gun, and then it just turns out this big huge cannon’s only purpose is to make ice cream. I think this episode hinges on the audience expecting a fake out where the Annihilarrg just turns out to be a dud (hence why they’re using gimmicky side characters). But then it is a quick 180 to show yes this is a threat, and take us by surprise. Like when a show has everything “going so well” and people are having fun through out their day and then randomly kill a main character. If you view it like that where this episode plays into every bit of the tropes only to follow through with the initial threat I think it works.
More as a dark joke but that’s what I think.
In some science fiction, teleportation is considered destroying something/someone, then recreating it in a different location. I think that the reason why Ben isn't freaking out about it is because he thinks he did the same thing. He thinks he just copied the universe before the Annihilargh and placed it right after the Annihilargh.
Sure, the smoothie tastes different, but at least everyone's alive, right?
Alrighty, 2 things I forgot to mention.
Argit gave the Vreedles the Anihalarh because he was pretty much at gun point. You can't really reason with them. At least that's what I assumed.
As for Alien X not being able to rewind time: The universe was completely destroyed by the anigilarg. A void. Before time began there was also no universe. Just a void. And Maltruant couldn't use his time powers. Again, both anihilarg related. Think of it as a file. You can't rewind to certain steps in your drawing if you deleted the file.
Can't Alien X transport himself back before the Anihillarg detonates and stop it from there?
@@kamijounotouma5596 isn't that technically still time travel? The entire universe was destroyed. From the moment it began til the end.
28:16 If I remember Mud is Thicker Than Water correctly, both episodes suggest that the Anihilaarg is set off by just the impact on the ground, or a certain velocity when there isn't a ground to hit. What's inside it is more just a light than a button
Honestly in a more serious scene that “must they always make noise” would be one of the most chilling and awesome lines in the entire franchise.
I want believe when they recreated the universe, they were able too save everyones soul place them in a new bodies, but personal locations changed because that what Ben was recreating, but Bellicus and Serena took care of everything else/everything important. That’s why he’s not sad everyone dead.
That feels acceptable
I know kuros mentions it enough but the art in omniverse is so good🤧honestly I can see why recently many people have said it’s there favourite version of Ben 10.
Same, man.
I think I'll give a deeper insight on why I like it. Cause why not.
My take: So you know how the average viewer praises "realistic" art styles. Shows that aren't very stylized and looks somewhat close to real life. But why would someone want to see real life in a C A R T O O N when they see it everyday? Having uniqueness is better for me tbh. And speaking of, let's say all cartoons looked "realistic". Can we really make out which cartoon is which? There's no sense of identity. A style gives the show a sense of identity and allows the artist's personality flow through.
That's why the Spider-Verse movies are so beloved.
Meh, is just lazy fanservice and cheap jokes.
@@erikpng No, the Spider-Verses movies are so beloved for their deep writing and understanding of the characters.
@@erikpng I agree! But I like some shows that look more realistic, or well comicbook-y, I'm mainly thinking of Young Justice rn! But again I agree, certain shows shine with their stylized artstyles, especially when they look SO good, like OV, TFA, & countless others!
@@mayotango1317 No, the Spiderverse movies are so beloved for that & their amazing, different artstyles which are used amazingly!
I think what sucks is that; if this happened later in Omniverse, this would’ve 100% been played seriously. This episode really shouldn’t have been so early on.
No, the last seasons of Omniverse have already given up and it's all turned into a joke.
@@mayotango1317What is a crybaby like you doing on this channel lol
@@mayotango1317later seasons treat serious stories as serious
@@SamirSiraj8542 I highly doubt it since Ben barely takes it seriously and just goes about his business with a smug smile the whole time. All is a game for him.
@@mayotango1317 you didn't watch omniverse. Later series takes serious stuff serious
I think the tone of 'not taking the threat seriously' is to put us in Ben's perspective, and to disarm us into thinking it couldn't possibly happen. And then it actually does and you're left going "oh shit". But you are right about that ending.
It's kinda crazy how disturbing the end of the episode truly is. Everyone and everything we came to know for 3 shows is now completely gone. Everything is just a copy. It's a very real copy but a copy nonetheless. I'm not really sure if the writers truly understood the gravity of what happened. I think they should've made it so that he just reversed time. Because the consequences don't really matter in the larger stake of the show anyways. And the audience isn't left with the horrific realization that their favorite characters are technically dead. And they're just watching copies.
Well,cant time travel when spacetime doesnt exist anymore
@@aduts1177 Alien X can somehow do it anyways
Welp, 'least we got a cool Alien X Feat out of it right?
if he reversed time, then the annihilaarg would hve been Activated again
@skyr3ssaep Just reverse time to 10 seconds before it goes off and grab it with Alien X. As much as I like him as a character, he is pretty broken. The only barrier that prevented that was the arbitration. But he bypasses that so there really is no reason that Alien X shouldn't be his go-to all the time.
I wonder if Rook stops using contractions from this point on. Like Ben recreated the universe, and sees Rook as such a follow the rules guy, that he honestly believed Rook didn’t use contractions.
31:13
"Where they can make it seem like they care"
That's the thing, they don't. Bellicus and Serena are being shown in their true Multiverse nature, they are above this, Universe being wiped away, big whoop, that's just another Tuesday
I meant they as in the show’s crew. Sorry if I wasn’t clear.
I like both Alien X designs, His UAF one is alright a dude made out of space that can warp reality but the OV one isn't bad, I like the built proportions and the chin, it spawned some good memes lol
As for the scene yeah I wish they showed more of Ben's reaction, heck if Bellicus and Serena can show Ben what's happening they could have emphasized the moment by showing things like Kevin's car and Max's Plumbing getting wiped not necessarily showing who is getting wiped but to emphasize to Ben and the audience that they're gone and you could still have Bellicus mocking him because why would they care, the annhilarg is childsplay to them they're above all of this, they really could have sold how crazy it would be a lot more, I like the think Ben being nonchalant is him trying to cope with everything which could have been a neat thing for his character
Just finished watching UAF and have now started properly on my first watch thru of Omniverse! so excited to watch an episode and then give your breakdowns a watch!
Thank you for reigniting my love for Ben 10, these breakdowns are amazing keep up the great work!
It is funny that the Alien X remakes the universe segment was always just that. A segment. Nobody talks about the actual episode, which is more than appropriate for the quality of it all beyond action.
This episode feels like it should have been the first episode at least to me. Like I even remember being introduced to Omniverse with this episode and distinctly having the notion that the art style changes and character changes happened because Ben recreated the universe differently than the previous one and that no one commented on the changes cause to them they werent as apparent from their perspective. Interesting enough they would canonize the art style changes later down the line with the celestialsapient court episode.
It's insane how this episode could've LITERALLY been fixed by ONE rewrite. Say that Alien X just rewinded time, that's it, don't say "he remade universe" day "he went back in time, wo it's still OG universe" as for Smoothie changing face, you could just say "that's the consequences of trying to change time, aka butterfly effect and stuff" they can even make a joke about it Ben: "WHY IS SMOOTHIE DIFFERENT FLAVOUR?!? I JUST TURNED ANIHILARG INTO A DUD! 😢"
I really don't think this episode feels like it was meant to be more than a "filler"-ish adventure. It feels to me like they wrote this as a one-off, MAYBE planning to use it as an excuse for retcons. Then later either after the fans pointed out how huge this was or just when they were looking for ideas for later content, they brought back the ideas for the finale.
That’s a great theory for the shows lore, characteration and tone.
Kuro, there is no such thing as the "previous universe" or a "new universe", and the characters are still the "authentic versions" of who they were prior.
They have to be, just from a logistical perspective. How would Ben have known about any of the new Omniverse antagonists or the Time War or Rad Dudesman or anything about the Anur System? It would have to have been that Alien X or Bellicus or Serena or some other Celestialsapien factor was actually responsible for restoring everything, and if so, we can only presume that all those things Ben could never have known about were brought back completely identically, as they were never implied to have been different in any way prior to the Annihilarrgh going off.
And considering that everyone else in the episode looks identical afterward and that the only implied differences caused by the universe reset was Ben getting a new outfit and Mr. Smoothy's change in branding and grape flavoring, it just makes sense that the universe being "destroyed" wasn't treated as a tragedy, because it wasn't destroyed, so it wasn't a tragedy. The universe destruction was just a way for the Omniverse writers to communicate to previous fans that things would change in Omniverse and not everything would stay the same way that it was in Classic and UAF. That's all there is to it.
Simple and straight to the point with logic added.
I feel like I'm one of the few that doesn't see Ben recreating the universe as such a "tragic" event as most people do. Like, it happened and in terms of everything, it is the exact same universe. Is like if you copied a word document and deleted the original file but the copy had *one* miniscule typo. And I watched this episode back around the time it aired.
If it was something like, the recreated universe but clearly imperfect, then I would feel that it'd be tragic.
It is my personal headcanon that Ben put the souls of everyone back into their new bodies, so while Ben may be the only one unscathed, technically everyone survived.
Time for a counter for every time Kuro says he wont make a counter?
28:28 I feel like an explanation is that Argit does not expect Millius (or anyone else for that matter) to actually *use* the anihalarrg, likely he expects that millius will use it as a giant bargaining chip, but again, he never expected anyone to actually *detonate* the *universe destroying bomb*
37:19 Well if you aren't getting it Ben believes everything is still the same universe regardless of how it was revealed later.
The "character gimmick" jokes are one of the main reasons Omniverse never clicked with me, I got tired of the "Rook doesn't understand human culture" jokes pretty quickly
Yeah everyone likes rook and I just don’t because half the dialogue becomes “it’s an expression rook 🙄”
Honestly he was one of the least bad about it
I’m shocked this was shown so quickly. Would’ve thought this was a season finale.
When I saw the thumbnail I thought that the episodes are in quick breakdown and kuro is doing season finale or something
Ohhhhhh, I thought I missed an short breakdown with crashopper showing up, I'm glad kuro acknowledge the production order, specially cause I remember the "feedback" ep showing up despite an major plot point.
Glad to see the wrong aliens is going high and I'm actually surprised about the acknowledgement of the brothers too.
I love 5yl Ben Argent transformation name gave him
18:53 That an good ben reaction Image
That bizzare why would ben not like goop or stinkfly. Stinkfly was his go to flyer in Og before jetray - rip - and Big chill came along. And Goop is just very cool
Err, Alien X design is fine. The og is better because with the most insane powerfeat coming up, his original design fit more so that you just can't believe that he did just do that over the muscular look
This episode really should of been far more serious if all the original cast beside Ben & Serena/Belicus, heck, they could of had an whole special to restore it back and more, anything cause it so dark
plus i think this episode hurts the finale, as the first episode comes back and gives the finale some impact, gwen's line of wanting to see what she's been saving, and ben's motivation in the finale is to see the universe he saw be born and see what he's been saving, except this episode shows that, that universe he saw be born was destroyed by the annihilarg this episode and the universe he goes off to see is the one he managed to recreate. It's a small thing but it feels weird
24:50 To answer your question I think the implication is that the Vreedles were going to beat Argit up if he didn't give it to them, so to save himself he just gave it away... Which I think was supposed to be played off as a joke but they didn't stick the landing
I think that the reason that ben takes re-creating the universe so lightly, is because of the scale of it, it is trillions or quadrillions of lives and it is just not possible for ben to comprehend that, similar to how we know what $1000 is but we cannot comprehend the hundreds of billions of dollars that the richest people in the world have. It's easier to grieve something when it's more specific and centralised
30:16 to be fair ben's first experience with a legend was the sword one. so it makes sense he wouldn't take them serious
When you really think about it, this plot thread is just disturbing. Imagine being in Ben’s place:
You were cornered into no option except for resetting the universe to save it. However…everyone you knew and loved is technically dead. All there is are their alternate selves, and they’re not 100% themselves. Maybe that’s why Ben is so bothered why he couldn’t get the grape smoothie right. It’s a reminder of how much he has to sacrifice in re creating the universe.
I must've accidentally skipped this episode back when I watched the series on TV, because I can't believe all of this happened in episode 4. I was always under the impression that these events were from one of the middle or later seasons.
As he said, production order can differ from airing order.
I remember this being near the end of S1 but it was the 4th episode.
I wish there was more people fighting for the annihilarg. Like a couple of plumbers led by Max, maybe azmuth with a few Galvans, idk something to make the annihilarg an actual universe ending threat
I always thought the reason they didn't take what was happening seriously was that Ben didn't believe in it and thought nothing would happen so the music and jokes reflected that. Until it was too late
24:34 to be fair to the ‘correcting Ben’ joke, I think it was done differently each time. More characters correct him, all at once at the same time. The characters are in a stand off with each other, double crossing and treachery and all that, but they all stop what they’re doing to correct Ben. I feel like the joke is that they prioritise correcting Ben over what they were doing or who they were fighting, not that Ben us dumb
I think it would be cool if Ben heard these screams from time to time for the rest of the season as some sort of trauma. For example, he sees somebody in danger and hears these screams and goes berserk against the danger
No, he is a jerk now.
@@mayotango1317 yeah I know, but it would be cool
You mean like a sort of madness? If so, yes. Let there be consequences for a mortal essentially playing God, even if it is for the right reasons.
@@Raven_The_Huntress Yeah, at 38:02 I can really imagine Ben telling them "I'm a God now, Rook, so I don't give a fuck what you guys think" and he wouldn't feel out of character.
29:30
I like the chin. It gives me something interesting to look at. Same goes for his more muscular superhero physique.
UAF one looks like they just made a default man silhouette, and added stars, green eyes, and the three crown thingies.
I feel like Alien X is drawn pretty inconsistently in Omniverse, but it works for him. An example would be the Rooters episode. He's really buff there. I really like how he looks at 29:39
26:51 they are literally downplaying the end of all existence in the same manner as hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. Is it good? No. But you don't need to ask yourself why anymore. It's all a big reference.