You don’t get how it works, it gets nicer but we get the BOOT. You think if poor people were able to stay in a gentrified area there would be a problem? No man. We get kicked out to another shitty hood.
The fact that you see these people who grew up in the neighbourhoods as complaining about the ghetto '' changing '' and not the eventual displacement of themselves or their families, which is what gentrification does, shows how fucking ignorant you people are. What good is it doing for the people who have lived IN the hood and call it hell, if they're going to be displaced and outpriced of their neighbourhood due the price of living going up. So they went from living in a neighbourhood and being able to get by, to eventually being displaced by upper class wealthier families, which leads to moving into ANOTHER hood. GREAT SUCESS! God forbid some sort of goal is made by the government to improve low-income neighbourhoods without the constant need of out-pricing the families.
i just moved out of LA after 4 years. I can confirm it's mostly a shithole, and has no sense of community. I've never seen a homeless epidemic like it in my life, and I lived in NYC for a decade.
I'm learning about this in my journalism class, about gentrification. We are talking about the pros and cons of this. It's a pretty cool topic but with a lot of negative stuff in both sides
Come to Brooklyn and see how its changed due to gentrification-also, there have been cases where the hipsters moving in have called the cops on the people originally from the neighborhood walking on the streets because they don't want them there anymore-unreal!
This is one of the reasons why gentrification is problematic. However it shouldn't blow over onto the unproblematic people who move in. One of the biggest thing the new people do is file noise complaints...in the middle of the day. Whenever they feel the need. When people are having birthday parties or a regular bbq. They mess up the flow of the neighbour. Once exceptable behaviour from long time neighbours becomes unwanted. For example Bobby plays loud jazz Friday evening it's kind of annoying but it's become the sound of the neighbourhood. it stops about 10 or there about no one else will call the police just the new recidents to the neighbourhood. People sell things in the neighbourhood like snacks or clothing. Maybe cd's. Everyone knows the plug but the new neighbours calls the police on them just because they get a business licence to begin their legitimate business and they are agree the locals aren't supporting them. They do shady and underhanded things to get their neighbours kicked out so their friends/co-workers can move next door. It's scummy. They buy out businesses for less than they are worth and make the locals feel unwelcomed or unwanted. As simple as letting people sit on a bench outside a building. Yes you own the building but what did you put the bench there for. Calling the police on small children. Two wrongs don't make a right but I understand why people fight against gentrification just they often go about it the wrong way.
Anti-gentrifiers are no-brain thug terrorists who think they live on tribal reservations. They need to first look at how their lowlife gangbanger cultura destroys neighborhoods and turns them into barrios that deserve to be eradicated.
Bull$hit! A business transaction involves both a willing seller and a willing buyer. When "hipsters" buy properties in the barrio who do you think they are buying them FROM? Someone who has been there a long time and making a huge profit. Anti-gentrifiers are no-brain thug terrorists who think they live on tribal reservations. They need to first look at how their lowlife gangbanger cultura destroys neighborhoods and turns them into barrios that deserve to be eradicated.
Gentrification is not about race necessarily, it’s about class. It’s happened in London a lot. What tends to happen is that the heart of the community is lost and it becomes ‘rich people who don’t talk to each other’ town.
The history of the neighborhood is lost and then it just becomes bland. The issue is far more complex and i love joe rogan but he has no idea what he's taking about.
@@cs0345 I've tried to understand why people are against gentrification and the only thing that makes sense is people want neighborhoods to stay a certain color. They use words like "history" and "heart of a neighborhood" which seems to me a way to say "we want this neighborhood to stay a non white skin color" without feeling racist. But, I'm open to hearing different perspectives. That's just what I think right now.
So you break their store windows and place signs on them labeling them as white owned? Honest question, have you been taught about Kristallnacht? It translates to the night of broken glass when Nazi's broke the windows of Jewish owned businesses and painted signs labeling them as Jews. To accept this Nazi tactic in modern America is ABSURD.
That’s the start joe, coffee shop, art gallery, new apartment complex’s, townhomes starting at 400,000. People moving in that don’t want to be part of the neighborhood, won’t look at you or say good morning. Just want to fix up the appt. and sell it for a fuck load and leave. It’s happening here in Santa Ana too. Don’t hate them for scheming, but damn we ain’t trying to get pushed to a shittier hood because y’all chasing money.
Bull$hit! A business transaction involves both a willing seller and a willing buyer. When "hipsters" buy properties in the barrio who do you think they are buying them FROM? Someone who has been there a long time and making a huge profit. Anti-gentrifiers are no-brain thug terrorists who think they live on tribal reservations. They need to first look at how their lowlife gangbanger culture destroys neighborhoods and turns them into barrios that deserve to be eradicated.
Joe “ I don’t really understand” Rogan… In the south Bronx right now where the average income is 30-40k a year they are building apts that start at $2800 month and do you know how you know this is coming to your environment? When they put that art gallery or fancy coffee shop there because the store fronts are the first to come before the developers
Make it easier for them to move. Its not really fair to the city that poor people are sitting on areas that could have higher property values, wealthier people and therefore more tax revenue that could go to fund public services
“The policies that cause cities to gentrify are crafted in the offices of real estate moguls and in the halls of city government,” Peter Moskowitz writes in How to Kill A City. Moskowitz uncovers the massive, systemic forces behind gentrification in New Orleans, Detroit, San Francisco, and New York. The deceptively simple question of who can and cannot afford to pay the rent goes to the heart of America's crises of race and inequality. In the fight for economic opportunity and racial justice, nothing could be more important than housing.
I couldn't afford to live in downtown Austin even 10 years ago so I moved out of the city. Why do people feel entitled to live anywhere they want to live?
"You can't save a neighbourhood forever." So they should just accept the increased cost of living? You think it's just easy to pick up and move with this housing market?
Yes, they should adapt or perish and stop being so goddamned entitled. They don’t deserve anything, no one deserves anything. They are fucking weak and delusional, living in a fantasy world where they “deserve” something just because they had it before. The only constant in the Universe is change, and they are complaining about this very thing: change.
@@calebpark7147 No, I don't think anyone deserves anything. Who do they deserve it from? God? The Universe? The Universe doesn't owe anyone anything. If people "deserved" a home, then in the old days, they wouldn't have had to build their house with their own two hands only to have it destroyed by a hurricane or a tornado a few years later. All these people complaining need to go out into the wilderness and live a little and realize how brutal and ruthless the natural world really is. If it wasn't for big government, these people would die off due to natural selection. They would sit in the middle of the woods and complain to the cold wind about how unfair things are. They would complain and complain and they would expect a response, but no one would come to save them. They would starve to death while the trees watched with indifference. We have collectively forgotten what it means to live in this world. We are too entitled.
Transforming poor, high crime neighborhoods into middle class, low crime areas will significantly benefit many of the people that live there. Sure, it will push some people out but land owners and people that are able to secure jobs with new companies can often remain or sell and move somewhere better. Realistically, many of the people that can’t afford to live there will end up moving to somewhere equal to or better than where they were before. The temporary inconvenience (obviously a major inconvenience, I’ll admit) of a few is definitely worth the long term growth of others
Ruben Soto You do realize most residents who live there will eventually have to move since most won't be able to afford it. Taxes go up. Property value goes up. Most residents will simply be forced to move into another poor area or some end up homeless. Yeah, neighborhood becomes nice but it won't be for you unless you can find a better job that pays more money just to keep the house you'll be paying more in 5 years.
Correct me if you believe otherwise, but the same people complaining about gentrification think White Americans can be replaced because other people were living on the continent first. By that logic, I shouldn't care about people being gentrified out of their neighborhoods because they already pushed out the neighborhood's original founders. They're just going through a reverse version of what they already put White America through. These communities are the reason housing prices outside of them are so high to begin with.
Solid Snek I don't believe any neighborhood should be gentrified. There is a neighborhood in Chicago area called Pilsen. Pilsen is predominantly Hispanic. It's close to downtown so rich folks started buying out buildings and turned it into art galleries. I don't understand why gentrifications starts out with art galleries but it does. 5 years later a lot of Hispanics are being forced out into shittier neighborhoods. They constantly get harassed by folks who want to buy their house just so the buyer can flip it into a luxury apartment. Imagine living in a house for 50 years with no intention of moving then one day you're being forced out because some rich snob took a liking to your neighborhood. I don't think that is ethically right. I think there are better ways to improve on neighborhoods than by kicking all the native residents out. If you think it is morally okay to kick them out because the original founders were also kicked out... that is a fucked up and sociopathic way of looking into this. Also L.A. was founded by Mexicans. Mexicans overall lived in California first before any other race/ethnic. Since we are going by that logic we can go back and forth on that matter but it's pointless.
It's not that I believe that logic, it's that I'm used to disingenuous people using it. I think people looking to start businesses are focusing too much on the overcrowded cities, but as long as they do, this cycle will be inevitable until some sort of industry comes out of these neighborhoods. It's not pretty, but it's how cities work.
I am from Boyle Heights and I used to live literally a block away from that Art Gallery. The people protesting did go overboard. Like I've been saying, instead of renting we La Raza should be owning properties and support each other so things like this don't occurred. I heard El Pino (The Pine Tree) where the film Blood In, Blood Out was going to get cut down so they can built some apartments complex. Luckily that plan was nixed but they will build the apartments next to El Pino still. El Barrio is changing.
+Okwaho Well, the black folks here just dont like the idea of being priced out of their home. Keep in mind that most urbanites rent. When the property value increases, the rent does too. Eventually, these folks will have to move to a shittier part of the city. The Tiki Torch people just dont like non-white people. Period. No reason. They just dont like them. Big difference in motives/intent.
Sinastaninja - The point I am making is if you treat another race differently JUST BECAUSE of their race. That is racism. Regardless of context, regardless of whether its a positive or negative difference. If one form of racism is accepted by society against one race than racism can only ever grow stronger because that race WILL eventually retaliated and the cycle will never end. Some forms are worse than others. We can all agree on that. But were we disagree is you clearly think certain forms of racism or racism against certain races is ok were as I say NO racism is ok NONE.
+Okwaho I never said that what the black people in this story are doing is ok. I just answered the original person's question, "So what's the difference between these people and the tiki torch whites?" Understanding a group's motives is not the same thing as condoning their actions, my friend. I actually think these folks are shooting themselves in the foot. Sure, they will be priced out eventually, but the keyword here is 'eventually'. They probably have a good 5 years until they cant afford their rent. This means they have 5 years to start making connections with these middle/upper-middle classed gentrifiers. Success is not about what you know, but who you know.
Well he can because he is in the 1% so he can always insulate himself from the negative effects of diversity. He could if he wanted to live in the middle of the worst ghetto of LA in some fortress and use a armored truck or helicopter to commute.
Ya Boi Tyler Lmao in reality they don’t buddy. Presently “open border” population flows across the Anthrosphere only ever go a few ways, to “Western” societies. Western Europe, the Scandinavian states, and the United States deal with thousands to millions of foreign intrusions every year. Few folks purposely migrate to China, Russia, Nigeria, India, Iran and the Arab Gulf states in a hostile manner. Almost no sane and reasonable ‘modern’ human ever seeks to enter the so called “3rd world” just because they can. “Open borders” are an atrocious ideal that very few folks should ever feel the need to entertain.
HologramGhost Technically untrue, when that land was claimed by America all the people who already lived there were not kicked out or removed. Mexicans are from more southern regions and thus invaders taking over areas they did not build, just how it is.
You mean when the land was extorted by America ? Ok, how the fuck do you square out your logic? so, the US takes over tows founded by Mexicans and in the same sentence you shit on Mexicans for taking over parts that "they didn't build", get a load of this fucking guy.
HologramGhost I’m not shitting on them but denying reality Is a harmful thing. I’m saying Mexico has no real claim beyond the old Spanish empire once claiming it. All the people that lived there’s descendants still live there and it was built by the ancestors of people who consider themselves Mexicans. Look I know a lot of Hispanics feel unwelcome in this country and as a consequence they build this narrative that they actually do deserve to be here more than anyone else. In reality those historical claims have no basis. If you’re a us citizen then you belong here and it’s sad that they feel this way. If you’re illegal, you have to go back.
Well if you want to talk about reality, the reality is that the US invaded Mexico under false pretenses, that the campaign to conquer the west was an illegal campaign masterminded by James K Polk and once the US illegally occupied Mexico it held the country at gun point until they agreed to sell the land for peanuts, Mexicans believe it or not haven't forgotten this so no moral high ground there, but that is besides the point, for the most part Mexicans are here because American Business need cheap labor to be competitive in the global market and our government doesn't have a system in place to meet the labor demands of the market in real time, funny how you never hear about that in the news.
While i'm by no means defending the actions of these people, as obviously violence and intimidation is never the answer. But i have to say i find it weird that everyone's ignoring the underlying point here (other than the clear racism which, while its completely misplaced, is somewhat understandable), which is how gentrification is a problem that's forcing the working class and those who live in public/council housing out of their neighbourhoods. This is a problem that's happening in a lot of countries, including here in the UK, and it really is a problem because when councils focus only on building for the middle and upper class it causes the problems were starting to see today including severe lack of housing, rising homelessness and a continually increasing gap between the rich and the poor. While i again condemn the actions of these people i do think it's a conversation we need to be having because i think they're driven to this point by a mixture of ignorance and desperation. p.s. just to head off any comments i'm mixed race and i guess i'd now be considered 'middle class', but i grew up in council houses which is why i think i'm in a fairly unique position to see it from both sides.
The rent is low in these places because they literally look like warzones. Drive through Compton or Inglewood on a regular day and it looks like downtown Baghdad.
Mark S That is changing! There are parts of SOUTH CENTRAL/COMPTON that if an EARTHQUAKE hits it is not affected what so ever! They have known this for many many years and are now TAKING it back. There are areas in SOUTH CENTRAL that have UNDERGROUND WELLS with clean water!! How awesome is that!! So (THEY) whom ever THEY are, are reclaiming this amazing territory!! 👍👍
What's so bad about gentrification? Oh boo hoo the neighborhood is getting better, I hope there's no quality assurance in the neighborhood! It should just be felled trees and drug dealers!
Corsair Carl Rents usually rise steeply. Why would anyone be glad their neighbourhood got cleaner and safer when it means they have to move away to some shittier neighbourhood on the outskirts of town? "I'm glad those hipsters have it nice now where I used to live!"
White people moving out of a racially diverse neighborhood is white flight and racist and when white people move in to a racially diverse neighborhood its gentrification and racist and when white people just stay where they are its segregation and racist. If you're white apparently you cant help but to be racist. This anti-white sentiment is out of control.
Fortress Europa Certainly, focussing this on white people in general is wrong. If some poor working class whites move into a neighbourhood, nothing happens. It's hip middle class entrepreneurs and artists (who are overproportionally white, obviously) who really kickstart gentrification. It's more of a class issue. One should still be aware that the people who make this about race have probably themselves experienced considerable racism and bring forth racist behaviour as a means of defending their dignity. Doesnt make it right or not racist, but you have to keep the right perspective - this isn't an isolated problem of people being racist against whites, it's a racist vicious circle.
Seba stian I disagree. I think this is racial, thats why these rioters use so much racial slurs. Its never a problem when rich white people move into poor white neighborhoods and its never a problem when rich blacks move to poor black neighborhoods. Its only ever a problem when rich white people move into poor non-white neighborhoods. We are biologically driven to be tribal. When people have the choice they segregate naturally. Thats why church congregations consists over 80% of one race. Thats why most neighborhoods consists of 90% of one race. People want their environment to reflect themselves. Thats why whites moving into a black neighborhood bringing different culture and businesses is disrupting that. Its a change they dont want. You see it in the comments too. Many here think these neighborhoods should be black or hispanic so that they reflect black and hispanic culture. Thats completely fine. My thing is dont then complain if white people want a white neighborhood that reflects their values.
Corsair Carl like why you gotta pick our crappy hood to start your building, we don’t have shit and now shit is going to get a duck load more expensive. We already living crappy, now it will only get worse. Especially for immigrants that will not do more that just work a regular job with little to no chance of breaking out of poverty until 1st gen learns a trade.
“They’re afraid they are going to lose their neighborhood” Perhaps folks should care more about “the hood” before property values in the hood drop making it easy for gentrification to occur. #PropertyValueMatters
Who built the neighbourhood in question. Are the current residents the original residents, or was it originally some other demographic? Not that it maters as far as the current pain is concerned.
I'm sorry but if you are wearing a mask (like a coward), vandalising property and tryin to coerce someone to vacate their property, while screaming racist shit, then you're the "Bad Guy" in that situation.
Anti-gentrifiers are no-brain thug terrorists who think they live on tribal reservations. They need to first look at how their lowlife gangbanger cultura destroys neighborhoods and turns them into barrios that deserve to be eradicated.
it's pretty sad that old neighborhoods would rather riot than see new neighbors move in; the ugliness in these comments are just as bad. i HATE the HATE that fuels this country nowadays.
cglample I believe it’s more than improving the neighborhood it’s displacement look at highland park rents for these new apartments are $3,700 for a 2 bedroom. I am in agreement cleaning up the area and getting rid of bad elements but hard working people must leave their neighborhoods and that is sad.
One way to resolve higher home prices is to tax the shit out of the capital gains from real estate sales unless you lived in the home for 20 years or more. That will force the flippers, and greedy bastards from constantly raising property rates what you see is a neighborhood one guy lists his house for 100k more rest follow then the entire neighborhood is now costing 100k more. You just tax that at 50% and put a damper on these greedy bastards. Once you get property prices down rent will go back down. Socal is turning from middle class to ultra rich now most homes be 1 million. Friend of mine lived in a rent controlled duplex house in LA for 30 years he pays like $1200 a month for a 2 million dollar home. The owner has offered to pay him $50k to move out so he can sell the property, but he refuses he doesn't want to live anywhere else. The law forces the owner to keep the rent locked in when he moved there in the early 90s. Now the owner is getting into his 70's my friend he is in his 50's so the property have to be given to the owners kids out live my friend. This is the issues with lot of property in Socal people who are middle class or lower middle class sitting on millions of dollars of property.
I like how almost 100% of the people don't understand how gentrification works and just says some super racist shit and claim "she left" or some bullshit. It's a 2 way street people yes the hoods are violent or poor but it started and was exasperated by redlining but nobody talks about that so if you want to talk shit talk facts
We need more reclining. Its about character, not race. Clean up your city, be a productive citizen, don't be trashy. Why would anyone want to live in a crime ridden neighborhood. Just because one is poor does not mean you have to live like animals.
@@rcbrothers1000 white people have gotten more free land and money than any group in America. We had our cities burned, land stolen and were forced into the slums. Meanwhile the government built the suburbs for whites and gave them free money to move there. I can’t wait until people like you are gone. Which will be very soon.
This group mentality will never end. Women vs men. White vs black. Republicans vs democrats. Even in most accepting environment of minorities in history, they still find something to complain about. It's human psychology
You are spot on. Civilization as we know it is the result of so-called gentrification A business transaction involves both a willing seller and a willing buyer. When "hipsters" buy properties in the barrio who do you think they are buying them FROM? Someone who has been there a long time and making a huge profit. Anti-gentrifiers are no-brain thug terrorists who think they live on tribal reservations. They need to first look at how their lowlife gangbanger culture destroys neighborhoods and turns them into barrios that deserve to be eradicated.
Imagine people making a certain Neighborhiod ghetto and lowering the property value then coming back and buying up the low cost ghetto neighborhoods making the neighborhood more expensive and making it impossible for people to stay in there neighborhood
The people who live in these areas will be forced to move out because the prices rise substantially, it makes the neighborhood nice, yes, but they'll be forced out to move to the other shitty outer parts of the city
Don Pepe Ho Its a good thing for the rich who would be able to afford moving their, but not for the middle and lower class who can't afford it. All the prices go up so no this isn't a good thing. That's why their is so much homeless people cus they can't afford housing
I live in Boyle Heights and I think MANY MANY Hispanics are ignorant and racist. I am “Caucasian” Of Eastern European descent but they Only know of the Hispanic culture. I agree With Joe Rogan 100% sorry but CHANGE HAPPENS AND BTW: Slavs, Jews. Italians be Japanese were the FIRST TO BUILD and discover and make Boyle Lincoln Heights and East. Los Angeles!!! So easy to forget 60-70 years ago when Hispanics took over and pushed all the original founders OUT!!!
You have a claim on your property. Not on your neighborhood, nearby plot of land, business you don’t own, or apartment complex you don’t live in. You have a claim on your property. That’s it. Your neighbor is under no more obligation to abide by your preferences than someone 1000 miles away.
I used to live in Inglewood but this mother fucking stadium ruined everything!! I had to move to South L.A and this place *SUCKS* !!! So many homeless people here and shit! I miss my home!! There should be a riot!!! This is not fair we are being pushed out!!
B1ackjack You know I used to believe this too, now not so much. Lots of times, in a modern American context for starters, what we deem as “hate” are really just the aftermaths of misunderstandings, tough dealings, foolish misinterpretations, valid disagreements turned sour and basic stupidity.
I am a Boyle heights native, and a coffee shop isnt ruining anything. BH was once a Jewish and japanesse neighborhood and hispanics started moving in and took over. They are complaining over something that WILL happened. I only stand against more "affordable housing" going up..its a small community we don't need anymore people.
Did you just say that you can't expect to save your neighborhood forever, Joe? Then you proceeded to talk about sky rocketing property value? Man Joe, I've been a fan of yours for the longest time, but hearing you mock the accent of people that are worried about losing even much more of their land...just made me lose so much respect for you. I wish you the best, but I will no longer be following any of your outlets. I wish you the best, bruh.
I really dont get why people hate gentrification, your rundown cold asbestos ridden neighbourhood is getting a facelift making your homes warm, healthy and clean.
These are just misguided people, not a left or right problem. The right has been wreaking havoc in corporate america for decades. Shall we bring up Enron and their lobbyist ties to the Bush administration.
People in los angeles do not sell your property!!!!!!!! Texas property taxes are insane!!!!! Las vegaz will have a major recession and the.houses in las Vegas are cheap compared to los Angeles but itz not worth it in the long run!!! Do not sell!!!!!!!
Gentrification is actually brutal. It's happening where I live and all these beautiful old British homes are being rezoned and these ugly "modern" apartment buildings are being put up. It's destroying the culture of the city, especially when the people moving in usually don't speak English and don't know how to live normally in our city. Our beautiful British downtown is being messed up with these ridiculous hipster "art" projects and it is really bumming out the people that have spent their lives in the city and now have to watch it fall apart.
I don't get this. You're either for freedom of movement or you're not. It allowed me and my family to move from Brazil to a nice area in London, but now with the price rent increasing, we may need to find cheaper places. But we shouldn't be against something only when we don't benefit from it anymore It has its pros and cons We don't live in a perfect world
Many people in the hood don't move up because they are comfortable living in shit holes. They refuse to change or move and when someone tries to improve their neighborhood they freak out.
Josh Abreu the reason they freak out because they will soon be displaced there are many hard working legal Latinos that will not be able to afford to live in Los Angeles. One good think transportation is improving (trains) are going to make it possible to live outside of Los Angeles and take the train home but not for those that need their vehicle for work.
Yea, for the people moving in. Most people in hoods rent. when the property value goes up, the rent rises. The natives will eventually have to leave for an even shittier neighborhood.
The reality is these neighborhoods are going to change eventually. East L.A. is pretty much one of the last semi-affordable places in the city so I get it. But they are trying to put off a train that's going to bulldoze them eventually. Sad to say but its truth.
While I'm a firm believer in Capitalism and Free Market theory; the downside, and major problem I have with gentrification, is the fact that the cost of living will eventually become unaffordable for many older and lower income residents...many of whom may be displaced or even worse left homeless in the near future.
But, many of those people can sell their home for a lot of money and move to a cheaper place with a lot of cash. Or they were renters and have to move, which is part of renting.
@@brandonjuber3576 that’s only if they actually own their home/property…many of the places that are getting gentrified are low income areas made up of mostly renters living on fixed incomes.
The Sound of Perception referencing more current dtla not pre-los angeles when there was Spanish missions, natives, what not... it wasn't developed into a major town/city until everybody came out west ... all I'm saying is why make a fuss about gentrification of whites into a brown neighborhood, would you like if whites did that if you moved into an all white neighborhood? not cool am I right? I'm Latino and all racism is bad, let's not be one sided.
I agree. I'm Latino too. I actually went to Boyle heights this past year to try to play some music at this local radio show, and those people from that "Defend Boyle Heights" movement were treating me like I was an invader. My great- grandparents lived there since the '20's and those idiots told me they didn't want me to perform because I wasn't a person of color. I'm a white skinned Hispanic and they even showed me discrimination. Those people are fuckin' stupid and don't stand for the real Latinos. They're highly ignorant and masquerade as intellectuals. They're embarrassing themselves and are highly hypocritical. I feel they're less afraid of gentrification itself, and are more jealous of other people (whether they're trust fund hipsters who only have art galleries or coffee shops because of their parents money is beside the point) who are able to open up places they wish they could afford. If they could assimilate, and be accepted they would not complain. I've experienced racism deep racism from those people for being white. They call me "blessed" sarcastically in Spanish because of my light skin and always try to condescend me. Anyone who doesn't look like George Lopez and kisses their ass is an enemy to them. My thing about the fact that CA was Mexico is just the point that before any white people were living in the metropolitan of L.A. there were ranches of Mexican and Indigenous people. Thanks for the response bro.
The Sound of Perception American cities were designed and layed out by the Germans and the English, without the Europeans you wouldn't have America you know today,Los Angeles would of stayed white,but the 1965 immigration act was signed,so it's a cycle,the areas will "vastly improve" Santa monica,Culver city, Beverly hills,malibu,are all majority white. Boyle heights and dtla need a facelift anyway so it's only a negative for low income families
Thought prospect You're right, this situation is not sustainable. I think the racial separation of America is inevitable. Theres just too much racial conflict. I do believe everyone would be happier. Theres a direct correlation with how much racial diversity is in a state and how happy it is. LA is the most diverse and least happy. The more homogeneous the state is the happier they are. Study by Robert Putnam confirms this too.
One of those situations damned-if-you-do damned-if-you-don't if you come through and fix up the neighborhood and put in stores it causes property values to go up and the poor can't afford to move in on the other hand if you leave it to Decay and rot the poor will just complain about how nobody cares
The fear they have is that all rents will be so expensive , that they will end up living on the streets. But I don't expect a millionaire to understand that.
I grew up in Boyle Heights. A few of us defended the coffee shop owners. And it was open season on us after that. I called them racists. And you did too. THANK YOU!!!
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Anyone else get tired of seeing nothing in the comments except (arrogantly) "Yeah, but [insert 1/4 of the overall picture.]" Never mind that everyone leaves their counter like they fully expect it to be The Final Point, and never offer any solutions. Frankly this gentrification sounds less like a moral problem that needs to be fixed and more like a part of the natural economic ebb & flow that works out _great_ for some people and fucking _sucks_ for others. Like most change ever.
Well I think the people in the neighborhood know once the coffee shops and art galleries move in then they'll b prices out and forced to leave a neighborhood they grew up in. Seen it happen in the west Adams area, silver lake, eagle rock, etc Have you seen what happened to New York, San Francisco, and D.C.?
deshaun dozier yeah, they got better, more business opened up and people started making more money. You do not own the homes you rent, if your rent goes up you can find a better job or you can buy your own house. Simple as that.
An increased crime and poverty version of this happened to half of America starting in 1965 and none of you cared when you were moving in. America used to be 90% white with each region having an authentic culture, now Americans wonder why they have nothing in common with their neighbors, who are now complaining about deracinated whites moving into their very recent neighborhoods.
gentrification sucks guys..I think it’s mainly a capitalist thing, then socioeconomics get involved. Our neighborhoods indeed do have problems, but capitalist never wanna help fix the problem so they just push it out and move it elsewhere. We already commute a lot for our jobs imagine being pushed out to the outskirts of LA. Also our neighborhoods are our fucking HOMES. Our culture is in there and it sucks to see it washed out. I don’t think the Boyle heights people frames it well though to say it’s “white art” makes their argument less credible.” I love LA and always will and will always love those little Latino enclaves like East LA, south central, etc.
Most urbanites rent. When property value rises, the rent does too. Natives will be priced out of their homes because the rent will be too steep. The natives will not benefit at all from gentrification. I normally like Joe Rogan, but he is ignorant about this topic.
+Thelondonbadger I never said that these people have a right to be where they are. I was just explaining why gentrification only benefits the people moving in and screws over the people who live there. You are raising an argument that wasn't even made. Your example is also really bad, given that being a renter and a squatter (Gypsy) are COMPLETELY different things. The city can legally kick out a squatter whenever they want. The owner of a building has to at least wait until a renter defaults on payments or their lease has expired. And your point that the natives left in the 60s is dubious. A native of neighborhood is anyone who grew up in a certain neighborhood. So, all people who grew up in a certain neighborhood "left in the 60s"? That makes no sense. And the point of gentrification is not "diversity". Your point about "92% of one race" is irrelevant because I never even brought up diversity.
+Thelondonbadger That is not diversity. No one is trying to say an all black/Mexican neighborhood is "diverse". You keep raising issues that no one is even making. Im also confused why you keep brining up diversity. That is completely irrelevant. I dont care if these areas are "diverse", nor did I even use the word. And there is a BIG difference between protesting people form moving in because you are scared of being priced out and protesting people moving in simply because you don't like the way they look. You are talking about two completely different social phenomenas here.
+Thelondonbadger Well, Wiki is wrong then. This isnt news. My professors would fail papers with Wiki links as references for a reason. Its a really shitty site. Its a bit of a stretch to call that racism, though. The site is not assuming inferiority of any group; they are just misusing the word 'diversity'.
Joe Rogan Boyle heights was Mexico and it's one of the last places you guys haven't taken over let us keep it. And by the way White people speak with an accent also. The correct English is British English.
Listen kicking people out if your neighborhood with violence isn't cool but they do this hipster stuff everywhere . Im a trucker I see it in alot if places not just in LA. I paid 40,000 dollars for my house and it's huge. I said 40 not 400. People are sheep.
I live right here in LA and I’m literally watching these neighborhoods change seemingly overnight. When you start opening shops that bring values up cost of living jumps. Unless you own (most rent) you’re screwed. Along with rent doubling or tripling costs of general life expense is now high. People are moving out of these places in droves that have lived there for decades and they’re moving to undesirable places like the outskirts of Vegas. It’s hard to understand why this is bad but it boils down to culture. LA has a long rich culture that’s celebrated in movies and film that it’s literally chasing out with overpriced coffee. It’s a real shame.
You cant win with liberal minorities: If you leave them to live in the neighborhoods that they turned to shit, riddled with crime; they complain that you are racist and don't care about minority communities and don't want to invest in them therefore its your fault that they live in shit conditions. If you try to invest in and revitalize their community and diversify it (meaning adding white people there so its not just minorities) then they claim that you are gentrifying the neighborhood and trying to price them out of their community. Well what the fuck do you want? Exactly what the fuck do you want liberals??
Sonny Brown it also brings more jobs and development in what would otherwise be a run down area. It's not about overpriced coffee, it's about economic progress. Also note that people moving in droves searching for better opportunity is called migration, even animals do it.
Joe is one side of it. Just because Joe says how he feels about the situation doesn't mean he's right. He never said he's right about it, but the Joe Rogan dick riders thinks everything he says is right. We don't know that whole story let's hear the HISPANICS side that lives there. I don't understand why Whites aren't as openly racist towards blacks as they are towards Mexicans. Whites talk about every race beyond their backs lmao...
“ yo man we stuck in the ghetto it’s hell”
“ yo man white people changing the ghetto it’s looking nice we need them out”
Customer Service it isn’t that simple but it is a funny way of describing one of the many absurdities of the anti-gentrification retarded fuckery
You don’t get how it works, it gets nicer but we get the BOOT. You think if poor people were able to stay in a gentrified area there would be a problem? No man. We get kicked out to another shitty hood.
The fact that you see these people who grew up in the neighbourhoods as complaining about the ghetto '' changing '' and not the eventual displacement of themselves or their families, which is what gentrification does, shows how fucking ignorant you people are. What good is it doing for the people who have lived IN the hood and call it hell, if they're going to be displaced and outpriced of their neighbourhood due the price of living going up. So they went from living in a neighbourhood and being able to get by, to eventually being displaced by upper class wealthier families, which leads to moving into ANOTHER hood. GREAT SUCESS!
God forbid some sort of goal is made by the government to improve low-income neighbourhoods without the constant need of out-pricing the families.
Fareed Ankrem obviously somebody who's never seen the culture sucked out of their neighborhood by hipsters.
Fareed, that's actually an excellent summation
i just moved out of LA after 4 years. I can confirm it's mostly a shithole, and has no sense of community. I've never seen a homeless epidemic like it in my life, and I lived in NYC for a decade.
Berry Seinfeld i mean, LA is diverse. Have you been to Westwood and West Hollywood?
Karl Lykos lmao. Yeah sure. When you see the homeless, are most of them Mexicans? Nope.
Karl Lykos clearly you’ve never been to LA since most of the homeless there are white
Karl Lykos mexicans have been the majority in East LA since the 50s. It’s bad, but it was definitely worse in the 80s and 90s.
Pretty much all cities in America nowadays have a homelessness crisis😥
I'm learning about this in my journalism class, about gentrification. We are talking about the pros and cons of this. It's a pretty cool topic but with a lot of negative stuff in both sides
Why don't the hipsters open a star bucks in little Tokyo.
I wish Patrice O'Neal was still around so he could have these racial talks with everyone. R.I.P. to the legend
Never tire of.seeing his name
R.I.P Patrice one of the greates to ever live
They can't talk real no more cus it drains your energy to replenish defending the truth... Then u fade away
repairshop22 some of the funniest shit I've ever heard
Ain't that the fucking truth.
he would have been an awesome guest
Come to Brooklyn and see how its changed due to gentrification-also, there have been cases where the hipsters moving in have called the cops on the people originally from the neighborhood walking on the streets because they don't want them there anymore-unreal!
This is one of the reasons why gentrification is problematic. However it shouldn't blow over onto the unproblematic people who move in. One of the biggest thing the new people do is file noise complaints...in the middle of the day. Whenever they feel the need. When people are having birthday parties or a regular bbq. They mess up the flow of the neighbour. Once exceptable behaviour from long time neighbours becomes unwanted. For example Bobby plays loud jazz Friday evening it's kind of annoying but it's become the sound of the neighbourhood. it stops about 10 or there about no one else will call the police just the new recidents to the neighbourhood. People sell things in the neighbourhood like snacks or clothing. Maybe cd's. Everyone knows the plug but the new neighbours calls the police on them just because they get a business licence to begin their legitimate business and they are agree the locals aren't supporting them. They do shady and underhanded things to get their neighbours kicked out so their friends/co-workers can move next door. It's scummy. They buy out businesses for less than they are worth and make the locals feel unwelcomed or unwanted. As simple as letting people sit on a bench outside a building. Yes you own the building but what did you put the bench there for. Calling the police on small children. Two wrongs don't make a right but I understand why people fight against gentrification just they often go about it the wrong way.
New York period has been gentrified like it's completely different to what it was in the past
Ironically the white hipsters are the ones who call others racist and harmful to minorities.
I’m from Brooklyn NY born and raised and these hipsters/yuppies look at you like you don’t belong here 🖕🏼🖕🏼 Go back to the Midwest!
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Joe “best Latina impression ever” Rogan
It Chinese
Read this as Joe did his impression again at 2:47 lol
Impression of a white girl
Masked people holding torches, yelling at people to leave their neighborhood?
I think I've seen this before.
Anti-gentrifiers are no-brain thug terrorists who think they live on tribal reservations. They need to first look at how their lowlife gangbanger cultura destroys neighborhoods and turns them into barrios that deserve to be eradicated.
These people are literally becoming homeless because of these hipsters, I don't blame them for rioting
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Bull$hit! A business transaction involves both a willing seller and a willing buyer. When "hipsters" buy properties in the barrio who do you think they are buying them FROM? Someone who has been there a long time and making a huge profit. Anti-gentrifiers are no-brain thug terrorists who think they live on tribal reservations. They need to first look at how their lowlife gangbanger cultura destroys neighborhoods and turns them into barrios that deserve to be eradicated.
Gentrification is not about race necessarily, it’s about class. It’s happened in London a lot. What tends to happen is that the heart of the community is lost and it becomes ‘rich people who don’t talk to each other’ town.
The history of the neighborhood is lost and then it just becomes bland. The issue is far more complex and i love joe rogan but he has no idea what he's taking about.
@@thebeing7033 So what. A certain area of a city shouldn't belong to a certain ethnicity to begin with
@@cs0345 I've tried to understand why people are against gentrification and the only thing that makes sense is people want neighborhoods to stay a certain color. They use words like "history" and "heart of a neighborhood" which seems to me a way to say "we want this neighborhood to stay a non white skin color" without feeling racist. But, I'm open to hearing different perspectives. That's just what I think right now.
Sadly, race and class are inherently linked
What are we supposed to do, just let our cites turn to absolute shit? You have to fix things up when they become run down. It's ridiculous.
It's not about a gallery bro it's about these corps raising the rent dramatically at a rate these mom and pops shops can not afford
So you break their store windows and place signs on them labeling them as white owned? Honest question, have you been taught about Kristallnacht? It translates to the night of broken glass when Nazi's broke the windows of Jewish owned businesses and painted signs labeling them as Jews. To accept this Nazi tactic in modern America is ABSURD.
That’s the start joe, coffee shop, art gallery, new apartment complex’s, townhomes starting at 400,000. People moving in that don’t want to be part of the neighborhood, won’t look at you or say good morning. Just want to fix up the appt. and sell it for a fuck load and leave. It’s happening here in Santa Ana too. Don’t hate them for scheming, but damn we ain’t trying to get pushed to a shittier hood because y’all chasing money.
Bull$hit! A business transaction involves both a willing seller and a willing buyer. When "hipsters" buy properties in the barrio who do you think they are buying them FROM? Someone who has been there a long time and making a huge profit. Anti-gentrifiers are no-brain thug terrorists who think they live on tribal reservations. They need to first look at how their lowlife gangbanger culture destroys neighborhoods and turns them into barrios that deserve to be eradicated.
Joe “ I don’t really understand” Rogan… In the south Bronx right now where the average income is 30-40k a year they are building apts that start at $2800 month and do you know how you know this is coming to your environment? When they put that art gallery or fancy coffee shop there because the store fronts are the first to come before the developers
Make it easier for them to move. Its not really fair to the city that poor people are sitting on areas that could have higher property values, wealthier people and therefore more tax revenue that could go to fund public services
@@cs0345 move where ?
@@chrispbacon1167 We should just build apartments where the property values are cheaper
@@cs0345 these people were already there. Live somewhere else. Oh I forget whites only care about money
regular houses are 2million dollars and joe still doesnt see why the people doesnt want another coffee shop or art gallery...thats how it starts.
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“The policies that cause cities to gentrify are crafted in the offices of real estate moguls and in the halls of city government,” Peter Moskowitz writes in How to Kill A City. Moskowitz uncovers the massive, systemic forces behind gentrification in New Orleans, Detroit, San Francisco, and New York. The deceptively simple question of who can and cannot afford to pay the rent goes to the heart of America's crises of race and inequality. In the fight for economic opportunity and racial justice, nothing could be more important than housing.
I couldn't afford to live in downtown Austin even 10 years ago so I moved out of the city. Why do people feel entitled to live anywhere they want to live?
He’s a clueless white dude.
@@igloozoo3771 why should people be kicked out of their homes they’ve lived in for decades?
"You can't save a neighbourhood forever."
So they should just accept the increased cost of living? You think it's just easy to pick up and move with this housing market?
ezzthemc yes to your first question. No to your second.
Yes, they should adapt or perish and stop being so goddamned entitled. They don’t deserve anything, no one deserves anything. They are fucking weak and delusional, living in a fantasy world where they “deserve” something just because they had it before. The only constant in the Universe is change, and they are complaining about this very thing: change.
@@asherray4969 Do you think people deserve a home?
@@calebpark7147 No, I don't think anyone deserves anything. Who do they deserve it from? God? The Universe? The Universe doesn't owe anyone anything. If people "deserved" a home, then in the old days, they wouldn't have had to build their house with their own two hands only to have it destroyed by a hurricane or a tornado a few years later. All these people complaining need to go out into the wilderness and live a little and realize how brutal and ruthless the natural world really is.
If it wasn't for big government, these people would die off due to natural selection. They would sit in the middle of the woods and complain to the cold wind about how unfair things are. They would complain and complain and they would expect a response, but no one would come to save them. They would starve to death while the trees watched with indifference. We have collectively forgotten what it means to live in this world. We are too entitled.
Transforming poor, high crime neighborhoods into middle class, low crime areas will significantly benefit many of the people that live there. Sure, it will push some people out but land owners and people that are able to secure jobs with new companies can often remain or sell and move somewhere better. Realistically, many of the people that can’t afford to live there will end up moving to somewhere equal to or better than where they were before. The temporary inconvenience (obviously a major inconvenience, I’ll admit) of a few is definitely worth the long term growth of others
I want it to change and I was born there. It's been shitty since the late 60's
Immigration act of 1965 and hollywood expansion
Ruben Soto
You do realize most residents who live there will eventually have to move since most won't be able to afford it. Taxes go up. Property value goes up. Most residents will simply be forced to move into another poor area or some end up homeless. Yeah, neighborhood becomes nice but it won't be for you unless you can find a better job that pays more money just to keep the house you'll be paying more in 5 years.
Correct me if you believe otherwise, but the same people complaining about gentrification think White Americans can be replaced because other people were living on the continent first. By that logic, I shouldn't care about people being gentrified out of their neighborhoods because they already pushed out the neighborhood's original founders. They're just going through a reverse version of what they already put White America through. These communities are the reason housing prices outside of them are so high to begin with.
Solid Snek
I don't believe any neighborhood should be gentrified. There is a neighborhood in Chicago area called Pilsen. Pilsen is predominantly Hispanic. It's close to downtown so rich folks started buying out buildings and turned it into art galleries. I don't understand why gentrifications starts out with art galleries but it does. 5 years later a lot of Hispanics are being forced out into shittier neighborhoods. They constantly get harassed by folks who want to buy their house just so the buyer can flip it into a luxury apartment. Imagine living in a house for 50 years with no intention of moving then one day you're being forced out because some rich snob took a liking to your neighborhood. I don't think that is ethically right. I think there are better ways to improve on neighborhoods than by kicking all the native residents out.
If you think it is morally okay to kick them out because the original founders were also kicked out... that is a fucked up and sociopathic way of looking into this. Also L.A. was founded by Mexicans. Mexicans overall lived in California first before any other race/ethnic. Since we are going by that logic we can go back and forth on that matter but it's pointless.
It's not that I believe that logic, it's that I'm used to disingenuous people using it. I think people looking to start businesses are focusing too much on the overcrowded cities, but as long as they do, this cycle will be inevitable until some sort of industry comes out of these neighborhoods. It's not pretty, but it's how cities work.
In Oregon two white ladies opened up a taco stand and then made them shut it down because they were white.
Michael Thompson it’s probably cuz it was trash food
Yet almost every Taco Bell I've ever been to has all-black employees, while the Mexicans all work at McDonald's.
William Shaw yeah, we make the best food and are hardest working people in this country. You’re welcome.
I am from Boyle Heights and I used to live literally a block away from that Art Gallery. The people protesting did go overboard. Like I've been saying, instead of renting we La Raza should be owning properties and support each other so things like this don't occurred. I heard El Pino (The Pine Tree) where the film Blood In, Blood Out was going to get cut down so they can built some apartments complex. Luckily that plan was nixed but they will build the apartments next to El Pino still. El Barrio is changing.
Why aren't you asking Sami Zayn questions about wrestling?
He could of asked him about a thing, he could of asked him about AEW
The problem is the double standards. It's okay when certain groups are against the "immigration".
Build a wall around Boyle Heights and make the white people pay for it
@@domesticatedape4378 That's not helping
Deadass
So what's the difference between these people and the tiki torch whites?
Racism is racism regardless what race the target is.
well the difference is that "the torches" have been proven right in their concerns
+Okwaho
Well, the black folks here just dont like the idea of being priced out of their home. Keep in mind that most urbanites rent. When the property value increases, the rent does too. Eventually, these folks will have to move to a shittier part of the city.
The Tiki Torch people just dont like non-white people. Period. No reason. They just dont like them. Big difference in motives/intent.
Sinastaninja - The point I am making is if you treat another race differently JUST BECAUSE of their race. That is racism. Regardless of context, regardless of whether its a positive or negative difference.
If one form of racism is accepted by society against one race than racism can only ever grow stronger because that race WILL eventually retaliated and the cycle will never end.
Some forms are worse than others. We can all agree on that. But were we disagree is you clearly think certain forms of racism or racism against certain races is ok were as I say NO racism is ok NONE.
+Okwaho
I never said that what the black people in this story are doing is ok. I just answered the original person's question, "So what's the difference between these people and the tiki torch whites?" Understanding a group's motives is not the same thing as condoning their actions, my friend.
I actually think these folks are shooting themselves in the foot. Sure, they will be priced out eventually, but the keyword here is 'eventually'. They probably have a good 5 years until they cant afford their rent. This means they have 5 years to start making connections with these middle/upper-middle classed gentrifiers. Success is not about what you know, but who you know.
EXACTLY.
I’m becoming more and more socially conservative every day.
Same dude. Same.
What does that even mean?
@@DiaJasin it means that the size of my penis has increased in both length, as well as in girth.
@@asherray4969 dude I had the girth at birth
Two white guys discussing issues affecting minorities. Lol.
They're discussing the racism of those trying to segregate. You looked away during that part tho. LOL
How are you a minority if you line in Los Angeles?? If you live in LA like i do and you’re Caucasian- THEN YOU ARE A MINORITY!!!!!!!
$121,000 bought my 4 bedroom, 3 full bathroom, 2 living area house with a garage. Not in 1964, but in 2016.
LA real estate is ridiculous.
That is an amazing price 😮.. wer I live 2bedroom 1bathroom small garden cost 550,000
@@deancorrigan1548 Well, I also love in a region of the U.S. where the cost of living is quite low.
Bullshit. Where in LA?
But you want open borders Joe, you can't have it both ways.
Joe is still a libtard, but he’s on the edge
>Molyneux
>Helping with philosophy or complex logic
Dude says some truths but that doesn't make him smart.
Well he can because he is in the 1% so he can always insulate himself from the negative effects of diversity. He could if he wanted to live in the middle of the worst ghetto of LA in some fortress and use a armored truck or helicopter to commute.
Michael Quigley Open borders go both ways
Ya Boi Tyler
Lmao in reality they don’t buddy. Presently “open border” population flows across the Anthrosphere only ever go a few ways, to “Western” societies. Western Europe, the Scandinavian states, and the United States deal with thousands to millions of foreign intrusions every year. Few folks purposely migrate to China, Russia, Nigeria, India, Iran and the Arab Gulf states in a hostile manner. Almost no sane and reasonable ‘modern’ human ever seeks to enter the so called “3rd world” just because they can. “Open borders” are an atrocious ideal that very few folks should ever feel the need to entertain.
I wish my white grandparents would have marched and broken windows as our California cities were demographically changed to Mexican barrios
Moron, Mexican Barrios preceded any of your grandparents, get a sense of the history of California before you sound like an idiot.
HologramGhost Technically untrue, when that land was claimed by America all the people who already lived there were not kicked out or removed. Mexicans are from more southern regions and thus invaders taking over areas they did not build, just how it is.
You mean when the land was extorted by America ? Ok, how the fuck do you square out your logic? so, the US takes over tows founded by Mexicans and in the same sentence you shit on Mexicans for taking over parts that "they didn't build", get a load of this fucking guy.
HologramGhost I’m not shitting on them but denying reality Is a harmful thing. I’m saying Mexico has no real claim beyond the old Spanish empire once claiming it. All the people that lived there’s descendants still live there and it was built by the ancestors of people who consider themselves Mexicans. Look I know a lot of Hispanics feel unwelcome in this country and as a consequence they build this narrative that they actually do deserve to be here more than anyone else. In reality those historical claims have no basis. If you’re a us citizen then you belong here and it’s sad that they feel this way. If you’re illegal, you have to go back.
Well if you want to talk about reality, the reality is that the US invaded Mexico under false pretenses, that the campaign to conquer the west was an illegal campaign masterminded by James K Polk and once the US illegally occupied Mexico it held the country at gun point until they agreed to sell the land for peanuts, Mexicans believe it or not haven't forgotten this so no moral high ground there, but that is besides the point, for the most part Mexicans are here because American Business need cheap labor to be competitive in the global market and our government doesn't have a system in place to meet the labor demands of the market in real time, funny how you never hear about that in the news.
While i'm by no means defending the actions of these people, as obviously violence and intimidation is never the answer. But i have to say i find it weird that everyone's ignoring the underlying point here (other than the clear racism which, while its completely misplaced, is somewhat understandable), which is how gentrification is a problem that's forcing the working class and those who live in public/council housing out of their neighbourhoods. This is a problem that's happening in a lot of countries, including here in the UK, and it really is a problem because when councils focus only on building for the middle and upper class it causes the problems were starting to see today including severe lack of housing, rising homelessness and a continually increasing gap between the rich and the poor. While i again condemn the actions of these people i do think it's a conversation we need to be having because i think they're driven to this point by a mixture of ignorance and desperation.
p.s. just to head off any comments i'm mixed race and i guess i'd now be considered 'middle class', but i grew up in council houses which is why i think i'm in a fairly unique position to see it from both sides.
the violence of the oppressed is different from the violence of the oppressors.
And now he’s whining about homelessness. The irony.
The rent is low in these places because they literally look like warzones. Drive through Compton or Inglewood on a regular day and it looks like downtown Baghdad.
Mark S That is changing! There are parts of SOUTH CENTRAL/COMPTON that if an EARTHQUAKE hits it is not affected what so ever! They have known this for many many years and are now TAKING it back. There are areas in SOUTH CENTRAL that have UNDERGROUND WELLS with clean water!! How awesome is that!! So (THEY) whom ever THEY are, are reclaiming this amazing territory!! 👍👍
"The rent is low" not anymore. Even the smallest apartments are expensive now.
What's so bad about gentrification?
Oh boo hoo the neighborhood is getting better, I hope there's no quality assurance in the neighborhood! It should just be felled trees and drug dealers!
Corsair Carl Rents usually rise steeply. Why would anyone be glad their neighbourhood got cleaner and safer when it means they have to move away to some shittier neighbourhood on the outskirts of town? "I'm glad those hipsters have it nice now where I used to live!"
White people moving out of a racially diverse neighborhood is white flight and racist and when white people move in to a racially diverse neighborhood its gentrification and racist and when white people just stay where they are its segregation and racist. If you're white apparently you cant help but to be racist. This anti-white sentiment is out of control.
Fortress Europa Certainly, focussing this on white people in general is wrong. If some poor working class whites move into a neighbourhood, nothing happens. It's hip middle class entrepreneurs and artists (who are overproportionally white, obviously) who really kickstart gentrification. It's more of a class issue. One should still be aware that the people who make this about race have probably themselves experienced considerable racism and bring forth racist behaviour as a means of defending their dignity. Doesnt make it right or not racist, but you have to keep the right perspective - this isn't an isolated problem of people being racist against whites, it's a racist vicious circle.
Seba stian I disagree. I think this is racial, thats why these rioters use so much racial slurs. Its never a problem when rich white people move into poor white neighborhoods and its never a problem when rich blacks move to poor black neighborhoods. Its only ever a problem when rich white people move into poor non-white neighborhoods. We are biologically driven to be tribal. When people have the choice they segregate naturally. Thats why church congregations consists over 80% of one race. Thats why most neighborhoods consists of 90% of one race. People want their environment to reflect themselves. Thats why whites moving into a black neighborhood bringing different culture and businesses is disrupting that. Its a change they dont want. You see it in the comments too. Many here think these neighborhoods should be black or hispanic so that they reflect black and hispanic culture. Thats completely fine. My thing is dont then complain if white people want a white neighborhood that reflects their values.
Corsair Carl like why you gotta pick our crappy hood to start your building, we don’t have shit and now shit is going to get a duck load more expensive. We already living crappy, now it will only get worse. Especially for immigrants that will not do more that just work a regular job with little to no chance of breaking out of poverty until 1st gen learns a trade.
Joe Rogan told the white guy if he knows what's going on in Boyle Heights LOL
Ok?
I mean are people not allowed to open coffe shops now?
You don't need to move to Hollywood hill. Move to Whittier, La Mirada, Pasadena, Covina. You don't NEEED to move in a shit hill.
Joe saying super rich dude and then him signing a deal that’s estimated to be a hundred million is hilarious
“They’re afraid they are going to lose their neighborhood”
Perhaps folks should care more about “the hood” before property values in the hood drop making it easy for gentrification to occur.
#PropertyValueMatters
Propertyvaluesmatter!!’ Great hashtag!
A lot of the gentrifiers are liberals who think it's cool to live in minority majority cities.
Who built the neighbourhood in question. Are the current residents the original residents, or was it originally some other demographic? Not that it maters as far as the current pain is concerned.
Probably working class whites that these people drove out via making the neighborhoods shittier, though they've displaced black neighborhoods too
Bobby Smith Latinos have always been in Boyle heights they built that city
@@bobbysmith3828 California used to belong to Mexico idiot. Mexicans created Los Angeles in the first place
Armenians and Jew built Boyle Heights.
And they wonder why business won’t invest and open up in their neighborhoods
No, we dont wonder that at all. Stay in your lane.
@@whyhellotherestranger Ask yourself why affluent and middle class people move away from poorer areas of high crime irregardless of tace
I'm sorry but if you are wearing a mask (like a coward), vandalising property and tryin to coerce someone to vacate their property, while screaming racist shit, then you're the "Bad Guy" in that situation.
Anti-gentrifiers are no-brain thug terrorists who think they live on tribal reservations. They need to first look at how their lowlife gangbanger cultura destroys neighborhoods and turns them into barrios that deserve to be eradicated.
it's pretty sad that old neighborhoods would rather riot than see new neighbors move in; the ugliness in these comments are just as bad. i HATE the HATE that fuels this country nowadays.
cglample I believe it’s more than improving the neighborhood it’s displacement look at highland park rents for these new apartments are $3,700 for a 2 bedroom. I am in agreement cleaning up the area and getting rid of bad elements but hard working people must leave their neighborhoods and that is sad.
usa sucks
One way to resolve higher home prices is to tax the shit out of the capital gains from real estate sales unless you lived in the home for 20 years or more. That will force the flippers, and greedy bastards from constantly raising property rates what you see is a neighborhood one guy lists his house for 100k more rest follow then the entire neighborhood is now costing 100k more. You just tax that at 50% and put a damper on these greedy bastards. Once you get property prices down rent will go back down. Socal is turning from middle class to ultra rich now most homes be 1 million. Friend of mine lived in a rent controlled duplex house in LA for 30 years he pays like $1200 a month for a 2 million dollar home. The owner has offered to pay him $50k to move out so he can sell the property, but he refuses he doesn't want to live anywhere else. The law forces the owner to keep the rent locked in when he moved there in the early 90s. Now the owner is getting into his 70's my friend he is in his 50's so the property have to be given to the owners kids out live my friend. This is the issues with lot of property in Socal people who are middle class or lower middle class sitting on millions of dollars of property.
I agree
I like how almost 100% of the people don't understand how gentrification works and just says some super racist shit and claim "she left" or some bullshit. It's a 2 way street people yes the hoods are violent or poor but it started and was exasperated by redlining but nobody talks about that so if you want to talk shit talk facts
We need more reclining. Its about character, not race. Clean up your city, be a productive citizen, don't be trashy. Why would anyone want to live in a crime ridden neighborhood. Just because one is poor does not mean you have to live like animals.
@@rcbrothers1000 white people have gotten more free land and money than any group in America. We had our cities burned, land stolen and were forced into the slums. Meanwhile the government built the suburbs for whites and gave them free money to move there. I can’t wait until people like you are gone. Which will be very soon.
Starbucks is white coffee
David Hojnowski Starbucks is communist coffee
coffee is white coffee. coffee is white people water.
They have black coffee there. Cheapest drink on the menu. The best kind.
Fuck Starbucks
David Hojnowski they're even pushing that blonde shit now.
This group mentality will never end. Women vs men. White vs black. Republicans vs democrats. Even in most accepting environment of minorities in history, they still find something to complain about. It's human psychology
You are spot on. Civilization as we know it is the result of so-called gentrification A business transaction involves both a willing seller and a willing buyer. When "hipsters" buy properties in the barrio who do you think they are buying them FROM? Someone who has been there a long time and making a huge profit. Anti-gentrifiers are no-brain thug terrorists who think they live on tribal reservations. They need to first look at how their lowlife gangbanger culture destroys neighborhoods and turns them into barrios that deserve to be eradicated.
Sjw Liberal trendy hipsters
"Can't just save neighborhood forever" unless you have money.
Imagine people making a certain Neighborhiod ghetto and lowering the property value then coming back and buying up the low cost ghetto neighborhoods making the neighborhood more expensive and making it impossible for people to stay in there neighborhood
Stop taking my high crime ridden area and turning it into a decent place to live!!!!
The people who live in these areas will be forced to move out because the prices rise substantially, it makes the neighborhood nice, yes, but they'll be forced out to move to the other shitty outer parts of the city
Don Pepe Ho Its a good thing for the rich who would be able to afford moving their, but not for the middle and lower class who can't afford it. All the prices go up so no this isn't a good thing. That's why their is so much homeless people cus they can't afford housing
I live in Boyle Heights and I think MANY MANY Hispanics are ignorant and racist.
I am “Caucasian” Of Eastern European descent but they Only know of the Hispanic culture.
I agree With Joe Rogan 100% sorry but CHANGE HAPPENS AND BTW: Slavs, Jews. Italians be Japanese were the FIRST TO BUILD and discover and make Boyle Lincoln Heights and East. Los Angeles!!!
So easy to forget 60-70 years ago when Hispanics took over and pushed all the original founders OUT!!!
You have a claim on your property. Not on your neighborhood, nearby plot of land, business you don’t own, or apartment complex you don’t live in. You have a claim on your property. That’s it. Your neighbor is under no more obligation to abide by your preferences than someone 1000 miles away.
Boulder County suck ass too, My Generation is screwed over , now expected to pay 3k a month just for rent ,
I used to live in Inglewood but this mother fucking stadium ruined everything!! I had to move to South L.A and this place *SUCKS* !!! So many homeless people here and shit! I miss my home!! There should be a riot!!! This is not fair we are being pushed out!!
So much hate in the world 😱
And for nothing.
B1ackjack
You know I used to believe this too, now not so much. Lots of times, in a modern American context for starters, what we deem as “hate” are really just the aftermaths of misunderstandings, tough dealings, foolish misinterpretations, valid disagreements turned sour and basic stupidity.
I am a Boyle heights native, and a coffee shop isnt ruining anything. BH was once a Jewish and japanesse neighborhood and hispanics started moving in and took over. They are complaining over something that WILL happened. I only stand against more "affordable housing" going up..its a small community we don't need anymore people.
Did you just say that you can't expect to save your neighborhood forever, Joe? Then you proceeded to talk about sky rocketing property value? Man Joe, I've been a fan of yours for the longest time, but hearing you mock the accent of people that are worried about losing even much more of their land...just made me lose so much respect for you. I wish you the best, but I will no longer be following any of your outlets. I wish you the best, bruh.
Johnny B. Hoode yea he is wishywashy(fake)
Diversity is good and positive. People are afraid of what? High rents are all over the state, it's nothing new.
Send in the hipsters (again)
The problem isnt racial. It's *CULTURAL*
"HE DID IT BETTER EY!"
Joe Rogan can be ignorant lol
Ah shit, I actually wanted to hear if they continued the conversation on tiny houses.
There is white people coffee-it’s called Starbucks!! 😆
It aint racist if dey white yo
Steven Andrews
1. It's obviously sarcasm.
2. Check your spelling before telling people to go back to school.
Hint: it's the word "racists".
Doesn’t joe live in a v white millionaire gate community??
Gentrification means fewer gangs
Protect Black and Brown communities. Wealthy white folk always want to colonize.
Gentrification in places like Highland Park has only been a good thing.
Derrick Nevarez is that Chattanooga?
Northeast LA
Derrick Nevarez, why would u say it's been good for Highland Park?
He mean for developers, and landlords.
The whites that have lived in Highland before gentrification hate it. Highland park is wack as fuck
The original gentrification = Anglos moving into California.
my old house's bathroom was painted pink and green 😂😂
I really dont get why people hate gentrification, your rundown cold asbestos ridden neighbourhood is getting a facelift making your homes warm, healthy and clean.
Lol the left turning on itself haha haha love it
These are just misguided people, not a left or right problem. The right has been wreaking havoc in corporate america for decades. Shall we bring up Enron and their lobbyist ties to the Bush administration.
People in los angeles do not sell your property!!!!!!!! Texas property taxes are insane!!!!! Las vegaz will have a major recession and the.houses in las Vegas are cheap compared to los Angeles but itz not worth it in the long run!!! Do not sell!!!!!!!
Gentrification is actually brutal. It's happening where I live and all these beautiful old British homes are being rezoned and these ugly "modern" apartment buildings are being put up. It's destroying the culture of the city, especially when the people moving in usually don't speak English and don't know how to live normally in our city. Our beautiful British downtown is being messed up with these ridiculous hipster "art" projects and it is really bumming out the people that have spent their lives in the city and now have to watch it fall apart.
Oh poor british people! They've never invaded anyone's land and never imposed their language to anyone 🙄
Joe, why don't you just say large amounts of people that don't look like you living in areas of the US where you are the outsider frighten you.
I don't get this. You're either for freedom of movement or you're not. It allowed me and my family to move from Brazil to a nice area in London, but now with the price rent increasing, we may need to find cheaper places.
But we shouldn't be against something only when we don't benefit from it anymore
It has its pros and cons
We don't live in a perfect world
Many people in the hood don't move up because they are comfortable living in shit holes. They refuse to change or move and when someone tries to improve their neighborhood they freak out.
Josh Abreu the reason they freak out because they will soon be displaced there are many hard working legal Latinos that will not be able to afford to live in Los Angeles. One good think transportation is improving (trains) are going to make it possible to live outside of Los Angeles and take the train home but not for those that need their vehicle for work.
Gentrification is a good thing
Yea, for the people moving in. Most people in hoods rent. when the property value goes up, the rent rises. The natives will eventually have to leave for an even shittier neighborhood.
Lol until your property taxes go through the roof
A small price to pay for getting rid of the riff-raff and crime.
Connor pretty sure you are also consudered riff-raff unless you are a millionaire to these people
Not really since I live in a city being gentrified, and I work in an industry that is positively impacted by gentrification.
The reality is these neighborhoods are going to change eventually. East L.A. is pretty much one of the last semi-affordable places in the city so I get it. But they are trying to put off a train that's going to bulldoze them eventually. Sad to say but its truth.
Left policy at work
It economics. Not racism
I'm latino and embarrassed when other Latinos act that way
Unfortunately Joe and his guest don't understand this topic. Gentrification sucks for the original residents. Eventually they get priced out.
Gentrification is just evolution. Can’t stop it.
While I'm a firm believer in Capitalism and Free Market theory; the downside, and major problem I have with gentrification, is the fact that the cost of living will eventually become unaffordable for many older and lower income residents...many of whom may be displaced or even worse left homeless in the near future.
But, many of those people can sell their home for a lot of money and move to a cheaper place with a lot of cash. Or they were renters and have to move, which is part of renting.
@@brandonjuber3576 that’s only if they actually own their home/property…many of the places that are getting gentrified are low income areas made up of mostly renters living on fixed incomes.
@@vilsunnington1528 Isn't the nature of renting that you aren't there long term?
well , dtla was white originally and as times pass the face changes so adapt or leave.
DTLA was Mexican and Native American land initially. You are aware that Mexico owned CA before it was taken over right?
The Sound of Perception referencing more current dtla not pre-los angeles when there was Spanish missions, natives, what not... it wasn't developed into a major town/city until everybody came out west ... all I'm saying is why make a fuss about gentrification of whites into a brown neighborhood, would you like if whites did that if you moved into an all white neighborhood? not cool am I right? I'm Latino and all racism is bad, let's not be one sided.
I agree. I'm Latino too. I actually went to Boyle heights this past year to try to play some music at this local radio show, and those people from that "Defend Boyle Heights" movement were treating me like I was an invader. My great- grandparents lived there since the '20's and those idiots told me they didn't want me to perform because I wasn't a person of color. I'm a white skinned Hispanic and they even showed me discrimination. Those people are fuckin' stupid and don't stand for the real Latinos. They're highly ignorant and masquerade as intellectuals. They're embarrassing themselves and are highly hypocritical. I feel they're less afraid of gentrification itself, and are more jealous of other people (whether they're trust fund hipsters who only have art galleries or coffee shops because of their parents money is beside the point) who are able to open up places they wish they could afford. If they could assimilate, and be accepted they would not complain. I've experienced racism deep racism from those people for being white. They call me "blessed" sarcastically in Spanish because of my light skin and always try to condescend me. Anyone who doesn't look like George Lopez and kisses their ass is an enemy to them. My thing about the fact that CA was Mexico is just the point that before any white people were living in the metropolitan of L.A. there were ranches of Mexican and Indigenous people. Thanks for the response bro.
The Sound of Perception American cities were designed and layed out by the Germans and the English, without the Europeans you wouldn't have America you know today,Los Angeles would of stayed white,but the 1965 immigration act was signed,so it's a cycle,the areas will "vastly improve" Santa monica,Culver city, Beverly hills,malibu,are all majority white. Boyle heights and dtla need a facelift anyway so it's only a negative for low income families
Thought prospect You're right, this situation is not sustainable. I think the racial separation of America is inevitable. Theres just too much racial conflict. I do believe everyone would be happier. Theres a direct correlation with how much racial diversity is in a state and how happy it is. LA is the most diverse and least happy. The more homogeneous the state is the happier they are. Study by Robert Putnam confirms this too.
There pricy as fuck
Just when you think our country can't get dumber, we have people protesting coffee.
Its not coffee, fool. Its a business that represents an increase in cost of living and an embodiment of culture shift.
It's not like the country was founded by people who rioted and vandalized property based on not wanting to pay tax on TEA
One of those situations damned-if-you-do damned-if-you-don't if you come through and fix up the neighborhood and put in stores it causes property values to go up and the poor can't afford to move in on the other hand if you leave it to Decay and rot the poor will just complain about how nobody cares
"Fuck White Art" If that doesn't have high concept art installation written all over it. I don't know what does.
Hondo Trailside lol!!!!
The same people who scream diversity is our strength nonsense, complain about "gentrification". smh
The fear they have is that all rents will be so expensive , that they will end up living on the streets. But I don't expect a millionaire to understand that.
The neighborhood will always win
I grew up in Boyle Heights. A few of us defended the coffee shop owners. And it was open season on us after that. I called them racists. And you did too. THANK YOU!!!
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Anyone else get tired of seeing nothing in the comments except (arrogantly) "Yeah, but [insert 1/4 of the overall picture.]"
Never mind that everyone leaves their counter like they fully expect it to be The Final Point, and never offer any solutions.
Frankly this gentrification sounds less like a moral problem that needs to be fixed and more like a part of the natural economic ebb & flow that works out _great_ for some people and fucking _sucks_ for others.
Like most change ever.
Grundle Wizard beautifully said
Well I think the people in the neighborhood know once the coffee shops and art galleries move in then they'll b prices out and forced to leave a neighborhood they grew up in. Seen it happen in the west Adams area, silver lake, eagle rock, etc
Have you seen what happened to New York, San Francisco, and D.C.?
deshaun dozier yeah, they got better, more business opened up and people started making more money.
You do not own the homes you rent, if your rent goes up you can find a better job or you can buy your own house. Simple as that.
An increased crime and poverty version of this happened to half of America starting in 1965 and none of you cared when you were moving in. America used to be 90% white with each region having an authentic culture, now Americans wonder why they have nothing in common with their neighbors, who are now complaining about deracinated whites moving into their very recent neighborhoods.
Has Joe talked about the rising homeless population in Cali yet? Think it’d be an interesting topic to talk about
Several years later he’s talking about getting rid of homeless people
LMAOOOOO His mocking was HILARIOUS 😂😂😂
gentrification sucks guys..I think it’s mainly a capitalist thing, then socioeconomics get involved. Our neighborhoods indeed do have problems, but capitalist never wanna help fix the problem so they just push it out and move it elsewhere. We already commute a lot for our jobs imagine being pushed out to the outskirts of LA. Also our neighborhoods are our fucking HOMES. Our culture is in there and it sucks to see it washed out. I don’t think the Boyle heights people frames it well though to say it’s “white art” makes their argument less credible.” I love LA and always will and will always love those little Latino enclaves like East LA, south central, etc.
Most urbanites rent. When property value rises, the rent does too. Natives will be priced out of their homes because the rent will be too steep. The natives will not benefit at all from gentrification. I normally like Joe Rogan, but he is ignorant about this topic.
+Thelondonbadger
I never said that these people have a right to be where they are. I was just explaining why gentrification only benefits the people moving in and screws over the people who live there. You are raising an argument that wasn't even made. Your example is also really bad, given that being a renter and a squatter (Gypsy) are COMPLETELY different things. The city can legally kick out a squatter whenever they want. The owner of a building has to at least wait until a renter defaults on payments or their lease has expired.
And your point that the natives left in the 60s is dubious. A native of neighborhood is anyone who grew up in a certain neighborhood. So, all people who grew up in a certain neighborhood "left in the 60s"? That makes no sense.
And the point of gentrification is not "diversity". Your point about "92% of one race" is irrelevant because I never even brought up diversity.
+Thelondonbadger
That is not diversity. No one is trying to say an all black/Mexican neighborhood is "diverse". You keep raising issues that no one is even making. Im also confused why you keep brining up diversity. That is completely irrelevant. I dont care if these areas are "diverse", nor did I even use the word.
And there is a BIG difference between protesting people form moving in because you are scared of being priced out and protesting people moving in simply because you don't like the way they look. You are talking about two completely different social phenomenas here.
+Thelondonbadger
Well, Wiki is wrong then. This isnt news. My professors would fail papers with Wiki links as references for a reason. Its a really shitty site. Its a bit of a stretch to call that racism, though. The site is not assuming inferiority of any group; they are just misusing the word 'diversity'.
Joe Rogan Boyle heights was Mexico and it's one of the last places you guys haven't taken over let us keep it. And by the way White people speak with an accent also. The correct English is British English.
joe "gentrification is cool" rogan
Listen kicking people out if your neighborhood with violence isn't cool but they do this hipster stuff everywhere . Im a trucker I see it in alot if places not just in LA. I paid 40,000 dollars for my house and it's huge. I said 40 not 400. People are sheep.
I love Joe but he has no clue about this
No clue? dudes lives right here and i agree with him.
I live right here in LA and I’m literally watching these neighborhoods change seemingly overnight. When you start opening shops that bring values up cost of living jumps. Unless you own (most rent) you’re screwed. Along with rent doubling or tripling costs of general life expense is now high. People are moving out of these places in droves that have lived there for decades and they’re moving to undesirable places like the outskirts of Vegas. It’s hard to understand why this is bad but it boils down to culture. LA has a long rich culture that’s celebrated in movies and film that it’s literally chasing out with overpriced coffee. It’s a real shame.
You cant win with liberal minorities:
If you leave them to live in the neighborhoods that they turned to shit, riddled with crime; they complain that you are racist and don't care about minority communities and don't want to invest in them therefore its your fault that they live in shit conditions.
If you try to invest in and revitalize their community and diversify it (meaning adding white people there so its not just minorities) then they claim that you are gentrifying the neighborhood and trying to price them out of their community.
Well what the fuck do you want? Exactly what the fuck do you want liberals??
Sonny Brown it also brings more jobs and development in what would otherwise be a run down area. It's not about overpriced coffee, it's about economic progress. Also note that people moving in droves searching for better opportunity is called migration, even animals do it.
Joe is one side of it. Just because Joe says how he feels about the situation doesn't mean he's right. He never said he's right about it, but the Joe Rogan dick riders thinks everything he says is right. We don't know that whole story let's hear the HISPANICS side that lives there. I don't understand why Whites aren't as openly racist towards blacks as they are towards Mexicans. Whites talk about every race beyond their backs lmao...