Day pass pricing did its job, they dont expect it to sell. See how the conversation went from "$10 for this and that" to "$4 for this is absurd when you can get a whole month for $10, much better deal, blah blah"
I mean, I'm not going to buy in on either. Even if my desktop died tomorrow and I'd have to actually replace every component, I have a server and a laptop, I can just get a GPU for the server and go "cloud" like Linus' home setup. I'm also not the target audience for this nVidia hijinx. But given that I can help all my friends who are less tech savvy to get an appropriate gaming experience without shelling out monthly, neither are my friends. Admittedly $10/mo is significantly cheaper than buying your own rig outright (especially with the price gouging nVidia's GPUs are going for. Remember when an entire computer was the cost of what an nVidia GPU is now?), however they also limit you on how much session time you can have at a time. That can be destructive if you're relying on this sort of experience to do something like render something. An animation can absolutely take more than 6-8 hours to render. I can feed that to a spare computer or do it on my personal rig and then just, go do something else. GeForce Now though, if it closes the instance after 8 hours, that's hours of rendering just gone. Worse, if it doesn't have permanence, you might have lost work as well if you were working right up to the boundary of the session.
You can't render or do whatever you like with Geforce Now. It's not a fully controlled cloud PC, you can't do anything, except gaming(and you can't play all games, only selected by service). When you close Steam(epic games) store it also close your session.
@@alexandr9794 It's basically a walled garden. You'd actively need RCE or escape the sandboxed process to do arbitrary stuff. No wonder services like Shadow (Cloud PC) went bust, it turns out people abuse the hell out of a system if it's not theirs, especially they aren't fitting the power and/or wear bill. Was this even talked about in the video: Nvidia could save like $0.10 on electricity, bandwidth, wear, etc. (assuming around 1 kWh at that rate) for the premium day pass by limiting frame rates to say 120 Hz. Not a lot, but surely still relevant. Though thinking about it I doubt their configurations regularly net you something 300 FPS over the internet anyway (assuming the client's internet is fast enough and it's encoded say 220 MBit/s).
Regarding day pass pricing: t's called "decoy effect" in behavioral economics. Some items exist @ unattractive prices to make the item they ACTUALLY want You to buy more attractive.
The problem with $1 is there's a minimum charge on all transactions, and the cost of a $1 trial is basically no profit. $4 is basically a profit point for transactions. 100%, it should be "Pay $4 now, upgrade to the full month for $6 more", but we know it isn't going to be a thing because business majors don't think like that.
I mean yeah, but the trial isnt meant to bring in profit, it's just to get them paying and hope they forget to cancel, or like the product enough to keep paying.
A trial period is basically marketing. Usually, you expect to lose money on marketing because the purpose is to generate sales, rather than make money itself.
@@JoeNokersThe problem is if it costs $1.50 per transaction, and you charge $1 to the public, you lose money and that's absolutely unacceptable to everyone. Even if you charge $2, that isn't a big enough profit margin for the people running the show. The day pass is absolutely supposed to be a way to rake in money on rubes who will pay for that trial. They know they can't get you to pay the full month up front though. They just need a number that's low enough that it's not easily divisible evenly into the full price, but high enough to get above the transaction fee and make a decent profit.
@@sergarlantyrell7847 Once upon a time beta periods were sign up only for a limited group with a focus on making the game the best it could be for release. Now we pay money to join betas and help them test their real money transaction stores. You think business majors aren't looking for a way to make us pay for their marketing?
So I wanna give an alternate take on this. I had a similar reaction and then think I understand where they're going. Consider Asia and how big PC Cafes are. You pay about 5ish dollars and then a drink cost and play for from an hour to a day. So comparing that this gives you access to most games now for a full day. They seem to be going for a Virtual PC Cafe. I don't think it's meant to be for people who game often and a lot. It's meant for people who work and school the entire week and then have a single Saturday and tell their friends let's game. Or the friend that doesn't game nor need the specs but is invited. Realistically a month no matter the value isn't worth it for them and it needs to be less efficient than the full plan for the cost since they don't have a guaranteed monthly income. On top of this, it benefits super busy people who let's say even with a month have two days of play so realistically they get the value in their day off. Alternatively a Streamer wanting to do a speed run can binge hard. It's not meant for hard core gamers but people who game every so often. You can't use the ad version in a stream as it has a queue but if you really only need it for a specific day or event and can't run the game it's a life send. I've seen a lot more cases off people picking a day and speed running an entire Genshin Event or Overwatch day and playing 6h of it with a low spec computer without needing two. So basically I think the trial branding was a bad thing. This is a completely new offering and is cool for those who need it. I know plenty this would be good for and it saves them money overall if they play games once a month and don't need a gaming PC.
I've paid for the month a few times to game with friends that wanted games i couldn't run. We played like once a month cause of their family obligations. I don't see an issue with it being an option as long as it dosn't raise the price of other offers.
I never saw any Trial branding, so I had assumed from the off that it was meant as a one-off or occasional use thing too. Wanna do some gaming today, pay it and bam you can game all you want on that day. No ongoing committment to keep paying over and over. Only ever when you actually know you're going to pick up a controller/mouse and do the thing. Doesn't really interest me personally as I already have both consoles and a gaming PC, so I don't need it. But I've worked with a few folks who were 'this is my gaming day' types that this would be right up their alley. Don't wanna put down the cash to buy the hardware needed, but still want to have the sit down and play experience on set days.
i definately see it as a trial thing. Geforce now wont work on every internet connection, so paying for a day pass is a good way to test it before buying a full month. I assume it will eventually replace the free tier.
Even if you only game 4 times a month on average, buying the monthly subscription still beats buying the pass. The only way this works out in your favor is if you play twice a month, and after taxes idk if that's even true. It just exists to make the monthly subscription feel like a better choice.
I think a Floatplane trial would be reasonable if it limited downloads to only a few (just so you can try it out and make sure it works without having someone abuse it). Also if you don't have free trials, maybe have a way for the creators to have a couple "free preview" videos so people can get the gist and see if they like it (I mean they can kinda do that separately on TH-cam, but I think having a way to try out Floatplane itself would be beneficial).
Nebula does something similar, a few videos can be watched logged out (it says like “the first one is on us”) but a lot of videos are excluded to avoid abuse
I bet they were worried if it was cheaper that people would us it as a “I have 2 days a month on average to game, paying $2 twice a month is much cheaper than $10 a month”
HOLD ON at 1:40 variable refresh rates are part of the spec - Nvidia isn't just locking people out because of any sort of tech reason, they are actually not adhering to the spec
They also mention that older intel-based mac's with their older GPUs are also part of the spec, and these predate RTX2000/GTX1600... which made no sense.
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It's so people see the month sub as just being a few $ more and they'll just get the more expensive one, it's just like companies do with food ect, a multi pack is only a few .$ more then people are more likely to spend the extra
it's probably there to make the lower tear month look like a better option in comparison. Why would you choose the day pass? you wouldn't if double the cost you get a month. see it make the month plans look better.
It might just be a pricing thing? Like to encourage people to just go "eh what the hell" and subscribe to the full, recurring subscription? Kinda like the "large menu upgrade" thing in fast food chains
Here is something to consider. There are people who already have a decent rig and only need something extreme once in a blue moon. They can already do their "normal" stuff on their own setup, so the need for the service would be for very short duration and rather infrequent. About 6 years ago, I upgraded to an overkill rig for *one* game. Ever since then, there have not been a single other game that I cared about that would demand that. This is because I'm primarily a strategy, tactic, card and board game player. Most of those are either really light or more CPU heavy, nothing really demands much from the GPU and my previous rig handles them perfectly fine. It's the RPGs that really demands a good GPU and that was the only one I played in recent years. Given that, a short term rental could very well suffice--you only need a day or two to binge a game(it is a single player game, not MMO). It's kind of like renting a van/truck to move when you have a normal car for daily use. You really only need it that much even if daily rate is the worst. P.S. To be honest, I'm not much of a binger and likes to fully explore, so the game did take me a while to finish. But I'm fairly sure that it is possible to do the binge in a day or two if you really wanted to. And it's not like the game is unplayable on the previous rig, so I could do most of the stuff on that and then just "upgrade" to replay the most beautiful/dramatic moments or something.
People will buy the one day for $4 for the same reason people are willing to pay $1.50 for a pint of milk when a gallon is $5. If you're away from home and only need it for one day, you're not going to pay $10 for a month to game with the boys on raid night when you have a pc at home, you're going to pay $4 for a one time use on your cheap laptop.
I bought an RTX 2070 Super and while I keep getting mad at game devs for not optimising texture vram usage (COD had 4k textures for the grass billboards for example, utterly insane), it still holds up to raw Vertex/Polygon pushing against its betters. Yes the RTX features are lacking because it's a weaker version but I generally dont want to play my games as if they have a vaseline smear on them for a few extra FPS, also the fact that the only game I've played that implements DLSS properly is Satisfactory which actually lets you tweak the scaling values, the quality and so on rather than just giving me an option for "Quality level". But as soon as the raw performance starts to feel bad, I'll be moving to AMD, I'm done with NVIDIA.
Just had a 2080 Super for a couple of weeks and found it to be absolutely enough for me... had to give it back but it has adjusted my perspective a bit, I guess I could probably get along just fine with a 3060 or something too.
pretty weird that in south america, a day pass costs almost $5, a "priority" month costs about $12 (with a 40 hour per month without queues, after which queues get absurdely high, at around 200 ppl, also, 5 hour sessions), then there's pro at $20 (80 hours per month, 6 hour sessions) and ultimate at $40 (160 hours per month, 7 hour sessions), there's no extra perks for the pro and ultimate plans like 120 fps or 4k, and you'll find yourself using a 1060 quite often in all plans, the best card i ever found myself using is a 2070, and even that is quite rare to happen let's not even talk about bitrate dips, weird slowdowns, frequent outages and absent support team, and the fact that there's only one server in uruguay, meaning unless you are in uruguay, chile, argentina or around the south of brazil you will get 60+ ms latency also, they get away with their poor service due to lack of competition, guess abya was the cheaper of the offerings nvidia had to host their service in SA
Variable refresh rate on a Mac is pretty simple: Apple specifically implemented it for video (to avoid stutter) and mp4/mkv support none fixed refresh rates since: ever. But even if it wasn’t. You can just create a 3d context, render the video to it and sync it whenever a new frame arrives. This should also work on AMD and old NVIDIA GPUs though.
Yeah at that point just build a decent rig that you could play on forever offline. $400 can go a long way if you are smart with parts. Either way I'm sure it will still have a market for people who are either ignorant, can't see long term, or unfortunately can't purchase components for some reason.
People truly don't care about Ray Tracing, is just that there are many "stigmatas" that are running around GPUs, like "You need NVENC to stream in better quality", "There are more games supporting DLSS than FSR", etc.
I think people do care about rt to an extent, but it's not the end all be all. In fact, amd gpus can do rt pretty decently. They are just about a generation behind nvidia is all. Nvenc is better, but it's not some crazy night and day thing. AMD is perfectly serviceable for streaming. Dlss is definitely better than fsr, but again, it's not crazy of a difference. Especially going up to 4k. AMD does give better raw performance per dollar, and more vram. For many this makes up for the feature set disparity, but it does depend on your priorities and use case.
I love rt turn it on in every game and mod it into others. Love the progress too. Going from launch cp2077 to Alan wake 2 has been amazing. Sucks that amd can't do anything right.
People definitely do care about ray tracing. I for one am gladly willing to sacrifice half my framerate for the better lighting. That said, even despite this i still run an AMD gpu because they're better for a lot of the non-ray tracing games i play due to high VRAM capacity. And they do ray tracing well enough in most cases (at 1440p) I don't care about things like DLSS since i prefer to run native resolution as it just looks better. Though nvidias video upscaling is a feature i miss on AMD.
@@Paiskii I've got a 4070ti. My only regret is not waiting for the super. Oh well I plan on upgrading to the 5000 series anyway. It's nice to money to buy the better option.
A flaotplane trial could be limited to the number of videos you can watch, as well as not being able to download videos, and maybe even adding a watch limit per hour, which to let you watch the whole video but only afterwards start the cooldown until you can watch the next video, if the watch limit was reached. For example, if you watched a 6 hours video wand the cool down is 4 times the watch time, then after watching it you get 24 hours of cooldown, and each 5-10 minutes you update everyone's cooldown to be reduced by those 5-10 minutes between each update. Though you could have the periods of time larger than 1 hour be updated every hour, to reduce the amount of processing power used for updating values. So that means one loop reducing the cooldown by 5-10 minutes, and another loop which to reduce the cooldown by 1 hour but only if that is the first run of the cronjob (repetitive periodical task) for that hour.
I think the model of gives us your CC and we hope you forget you subbed is predatory and should be illegal. I forgot to cancel my adobe 14 day trial and they instantly subbed me for an annual subscription. Then when I tried to cancel they charged me 50% of the remaining ANNUAL sub. I wish I could report them because that is the most anti-consumer thing ever, I will never use adobe again and I hope they lose their customers. This behaviour only hurts brands
It's easy to understand. They charge a premium for a day pass, because they expect you to use the service more during a day period, which also means they expect if you pay for a month, you won't use it as often as you think you might. You have to see it from the perspective of what do they have to loose, then secondly how they plan to avoid that and still make money.
Honestly, I’ve been a GFN subscriber for 4 years but I think that Shadow is better value. I know, the GPU is not a 4080 and the price and bla-bla-bla But in the end; I can run AI models, play ANY games etc… Once GTA is available on PC I’ll be able to play it on my shadow but not on my GFN…
Honestly I could see someone just paying the 4 dollars and seeing if the service works for them as like if latency is bad for them, seeing if the can handle it on their end or if the service is just not as great as it's made up to be
I think what is happening is that Nvidia looses money on each user whenever the user is playing; so they just use the idle time payments to make up for it. But when a user only has a 1 day pass, they are not gonna be paying for idling, they will probably pay for the whole day so that's why they are charging the 'full' amount.
Nvidia sees a future of virtual arcades handing out 4 dollar bracelets to play for the day. Someday we'll have to wear our biometric VR gear, and swipe our virtual card at the door to enter "Geforce Life."
So this past year both me, and a lot of my homies all decided to switch to Team Red... honestly. I went from a 2070 to a RX6800xt. Spent only 300$ on the card, and I've doubled most my framerates. All my friends having somewhat similar stories. People are scared because of the "driver issues" AMD cards have... which seem to be all but gone at this point, even while Nvidia's drivers seem to get more and more unstable. It's this weird sunk cost fallacy. I think if someone could truly put the rumors of "AMD Driver bad, Nvidia driver good" to rest... and quantify the improvements that've occurred over the past 2 years, they might... very slowly gain some ground. Especially for what you get for your money in comparison (if you're not a 3D artist)
The difference is that the day pass won't auto renew month to month like the subscription would. If someone is a very very casual gamer - like I'll get on once a month or less type of thing, this could make sense for them
$1 or $2/day would be great to both make people try out the service, and make them come back. Also, 10 or 5 days, respectively, would suffice to cover the monthly fee. And once a player reaches this amount, Nvidia could just say "now the rest of the month is for free".
If the day pass is unlimited per account, they could be afraid of casual gamer. It's like streaming services, they don't provide a "one movie" pass to unsure that you subscribe for a month or a year but only use their service a couple of days each month.
i had a rx580 and i had lots of driver issue, then i buy a 1060 6gb, plug and play, never touched it, only on drivers update that i just installed and forget about it.
The bad thing here is even though people know it's a shitty tactic because of society nowadays requiring more and more of our time on work just to earn a living to pay rent and other costs. It has a very downward spiral effect on people, just in my family alone my sister buys into downpayments so much like I told her that it would be cheaper to buy your own laptop and use that and you wouldn't have to pay monthly she's like I would barely even be able to play so why buy a laptop. And I'm like that's the same thing you're subscribed and paying monthly even though you can barely use it, atleast if you buy a laptop you can turn it off and set it aside if you're not using it and you're not paying for anything more. My nephew too since he started working, I told him it'd be better to buy your games from steam or get discs for the PS5. He has the same mentality he subscribed to the top tier PSN premium and said that he basically can't play much because of work in 3-4 months he's been playing the same game which means he's been paying around $50-70 dollars for a single game which he could have just bought for $30 dollars and he would own it. I know at the end of the day it's their money, but it's just sad to see that they think they're getting a better deal because they're getting charged a little every month.
in my opinion, what nvidia is doing its like a "at home Lan cafe" service. considering you get a few hours for the same price nvidia is giving a day for, with this percpective its not that bad of a deal. if someone wants to use it once in a while, just like if people went to a Lan cafe, then this is much better for that type of costumers.
I have heard that before, VRR talks directly to the GPU. I had noticed that frame counters can read the framerate of the stream. Perhaps that is where the opportunity is.
7:30 well I can see somewhat of a use case for a one day purchase. If I come over to a friend and dont want to bring along a hole pc I could just use a laptop, plugin the ethernet maybe a nice monitor, knm and start cloud gaming. When driving back the same night i dont have the headache to unplug everything and plug it back in at home. Thats some scenario I would think of. But if its a scenario that could happen more than 3 times per month there is no point to it.
the day pass is for internet cafes where they will literally game for 24 hours strait. but they wont use the computer much longer then that. that is all
I have a Founders Priority Geforce Now which is 27.45eur/6 months so 4.58eur/month... and they release a tier which gives you a 1 day pass for the same price...
when i last looked at prices, at least for my country, AMD GPUs are expensive, more so than Nvidia GPUs, i already pay like a 20% premium for computer hardware, AMD GPUs is more than that. There is also efficiency which does matter.
MacOS variable refresh rate (Adaptive Sync) can be controlled via Metal API, so its not "GPU talking to monitor" and not even a driver thing. Maybe thats why nvidia supports its on mac.
Its funny that some people buy Nvidia for raytracing but because they arent paying a grand for the top end its still too much of a performance cost to leave on. Its also funny that people will even have a more positive sentiment to 3000 series for raytracing when AMD is actually pretty comfortable against even the 3090 when it comes to RT
What they should do is make it a 72-hour pass and charge the same amount of money. They can easily mark it as trying it out for a weekend. $4 to binge game over a weekend is very reasonable, and it's the ideal time to be testing out a service like that.
In poorer countries that price difference is bigger, whilst having a higher demand I would pay for a single day just to feel how its like to play on a newer pc without having to pay a rather high price, but i understand how stupid it is in more advanced ecomomically countries
I don't think line is understanding the manipulation nivida is doing here with the day pass it's there so someone looks at it and goes why would I pay for that then get the longer day one and more likely chance they would forget to cancel
geforce now helped me alot back when i still was running a shitty setup and some games couldn't run but also, when my gpu died and i was looking for a replacement, 10$ and play for a month or go into debt
unless they got a server less than 150ms away from where i live (they dont), this kind of thing is useless to me and a step backwards. so i bought a 7900xt.
My issue with AMDs lineup is ... that excuse everyone gives "if you dont care about RT and the AI features and DLSS and all of that its quite compelling" yeah, or you can pay basically the same price and get all of that. Even if you dont think you will use it, you might as well go for it and have it but not need it instead of risking 2 years down the line needing it but not having it. plus you get better drivers, better compatibility with software, and better efficiency.
when you add in all the require number sum instead of percentage fees then the percentage fees you get to 1 USD would just make them a few cents per transactions and cost more than a few cents to hold in the accounting spreadsheet if they do it multiple times. So it is profitable for nVidia to have it at a minimum of 4 USD though i do agree with Linux if the same user buys the subscription in the same month it should go towards paying the sub so it is 4 + 6 USD for the first month or 4 + 7 USD the first month so nVidia doesn't lose any profit.
Problem is, trial periods are marketing. They're not supposed to make a profit, they're supposed to attract long term customers who will eventually pay more than what the trial period cost the business.
Oh I need to find the service that had the regular stuff like Monthly subsciption but they also sold single day tickets as it was called. think of it as you bought 10 coupons and every time you used a coupon you got a day of the service this was great for people that used the service 1-2 a month as the they said I dont want a monthly subscription because I dont need to use the service daily or even weekly.
The "if you don't care about xyz" must be a big deal to a bunch of people if Nvidia keeps seeling they way they do despite pricing and competitors. I'd love to know why Luke is so certain ray tracing isn't important to a lot of people- I'd guess LMG has a self sampling bias
The ONE use case I see is for Videogame Journalists to have a preview session of an unreleased game. $4 from PR of whatever is a good deal for high quality access to your game for a short time for Marketing/journalistic purposes. For the average pixel blaster dont bother.
The problem with AMD GPUs is, in less developed markets they distribution is terrible. When I got my 1060 6gb I wanted an rx 580, couldn't find one to buy months after launch. Lower end 7000 series like 7600 are just now becoming available and they are honestly way more expensive than 6000's, teah they are better, but did they launch so much more expensive over there as well?
You can end a subscription right after your start one so you don't forget, it'll finish the month you've payed for, with Xbox Game Pass (only payed 1$) I saw a option where I could ask for a refund so on day 29 I asked for a refund out of curiosity expecting to receive about 0,03$ since I had already used it for 29 days but I actually got the full 1$ back lol.
I got the ultimate pass, playing Fortnite Mobile 4k 😂 (Also, playing Cyberpunk, State of decay 2 & will play World war z soon ) All in MAX graphics. Btw, Sometimes in Fortnite I think I get an RTX 4090 which is cool!
GeForce now is a godsend for me for when I want to do some gaming on my work machine, as I refuse to carry around gaming laptop like I used to so in those instances when I want to play some World of Warships, Elite: Dangerous or Destiny 2 on the move I can. I don't really need these super plans they do however. The base one is fine for my laptop.
The thing is that a lot of people who make money don't have more than 1 day a week to put into games, so it makes sense to make that at least 1/4 The cost of the monthly, and maybe push double it for those who have a whole weekend to game. I don't like it, but it totally makes sense to me from a strategic perspective.
I don't think this is for people that don't have time to play games. If you don't have time to play games, you're not worried about your variable refresh rate... You just want the game to work.
i was so confused at first cus i didn't know GeForce Now was the name of the streaming service, thought it was just the driver name. I was like did they mean now it supports freesync?? could you ONLY use GSync before?? which i believed since it's nvidia
Nvidia's naming conventions haven't always been the smartest lol but at least it's not Sony bad. GeForce Now was repurposed into the streaming service while the drivers/driver support app is called GeForce Experience since Windows (and supposedly Linux based OS but I never use them so no clue) can just instantly download the current driver as you sign in if you let it. GeForce Now was just a way to get your driver "Now" instead of requiring the CD that was always out of date.
I don't mean to be insensitive in any way, but I wonder if India's ~15% Linux market share has anything to do with the lack of resources thus leading to a significant portion of the population working with older devices in which Linux would perform better than Windows on.
Regarding gpus AMD vs Nvidia, the thing is quite clear You buy a new one for twice the price at potentially 4x (dlss) the performance? Or still spend 1k to just get 1/4th
DLSS performance doesn't count though. Plenty of people want to run at native resolution for better image quality. DLSS vs native is apples and oranges. You could compare DLSS and FSR though.
The issue with the NVIDIA market share is that nobody talks about AMD. Everywhere you look is just NVIDIA marketing. At best you get a footnote that AMD is competitive. Most people don’t know how well FSR works. Yes it is bit worse than DLSS, but you won’t notice the difference in the heat of the game. But all you see is how great that minor update to DLSS is. Many people also aren’t aware of ROCm, which leads to the issue that companies don’t want to adopt it. PyTorch has support for ROCm a while now and it works great. Been messing around with Stable diffusion from time to time. And if you are at a level of AI development where the speed difference between AMD and NVIDIA matters you wouldn’t be shopping for a GForce in the first place. Not to mention that ROCm is open source. So you are protected from NVIDIA shenanigans like restricting new CUDA features to RTX5000.
I think nvidia trial thing is scalability. If its 1 dollar or free trial etc the NUMBER of people trying daily or in the first months would likely be higher then the amount of gpus/servers they can handle- and dont doubt gamers, even more so the younger ones, believe me a teen with lots of free time would easily go 6 hours on their trial day. But regardless of that concurrent users is a much trickier number, even if they were all playing for 2 hours.
AMD has not competed with pricing that makes sense for me to abandon Nvidia. If they brought their prices down another 100 or 200 dollars I would consider giving up Nvidia.
AMD could do with a marketing campaign. A lot of people just don't realise their lineup is competitive and just get Nvidia because it's the easy option if you don't want to go down rabbit holes of research.
Rent. Gas. Water. Electricity. Internet. Phone. / Music streaming, movie streaming, premium ad-removal per website, season passes, Adobe, etc. This is a blatant money grab, and I hope NVidia's userbase is smart enough to avoid this bullshit. There's too many subscriptions. Ditch subscriptions.
I mean, a lot of people can't afford a 4080, but CAN afford 20 bucks a month, if you add that up you need to play for 4,5 years(!!!!) before you cross over the pricepoint of that card. And by that point the 6080 is already out and you could switch your plan withouth having to buy a new gpu. This way you can also make your older rigs keep in the game longer. I don't like subscriptions either but this is far from a bad deal.
wait what? i have geforce account since the beta and its still free to use/try, so there is a way to try the service for free and if u want to, you´ll pay for it
I used to buy nowTV day and weekend passes for sport events rather than buy a sky cable box. The passes were about 40GBP for a day whereas the actual subscription with sky was around 120GBP, its a significant part of the monthly payment for only 1 day but if you only need it for 1 or 2 days a month its worth it. I can imagine someone who travels a large amount or works a busy job and has two or so days off a month to themselves where they just play the whole day for two days. Especially for my friends who work in healthcare who very rarely have time to themselves.
Honestly, as someone who's lucky if he gets 1 day/month for gaming, I could see myself buying a day pass. But I'm pretty sure their goal is just to make the monthly subscription look cheaper in people's eyes.
Day pass pricing did its job, they dont expect it to sell. See how the conversation went from "$10 for this and that" to "$4 for this is absurd when you can get a whole month for $10, much better deal, blah blah"
I mean, I'm not going to buy in on either. Even if my desktop died tomorrow and I'd have to actually replace every component, I have a server and a laptop, I can just get a GPU for the server and go "cloud" like Linus' home setup. I'm also not the target audience for this nVidia hijinx. But given that I can help all my friends who are less tech savvy to get an appropriate gaming experience without shelling out monthly, neither are my friends.
Admittedly $10/mo is significantly cheaper than buying your own rig outright (especially with the price gouging nVidia's GPUs are going for. Remember when an entire computer was the cost of what an nVidia GPU is now?), however they also limit you on how much session time you can have at a time. That can be destructive if you're relying on this sort of experience to do something like render something. An animation can absolutely take more than 6-8 hours to render. I can feed that to a spare computer or do it on my personal rig and then just, go do something else. GeForce Now though, if it closes the instance after 8 hours, that's hours of rendering just gone. Worse, if it doesn't have permanence, you might have lost work as well if you were working right up to the boundary of the session.
You can't render or do whatever you like with Geforce Now. It's not a fully controlled cloud PC, you can't do anything, except gaming(and you can't play all games, only selected by service). When you close Steam(epic games) store it also close your session.
@@alexandr9794 It's basically a walled garden. You'd actively need RCE or escape the sandboxed process to do arbitrary stuff. No wonder services like Shadow (Cloud PC) went bust, it turns out people abuse the hell out of a system if it's not theirs, especially they aren't fitting the power and/or wear bill.
Was this even talked about in the video: Nvidia could save like $0.10 on electricity, bandwidth, wear, etc. (assuming around 1 kWh at that rate) for the premium day pass by limiting frame rates to say 120 Hz. Not a lot, but surely still relevant. Though thinking about it I doubt their configurations regularly net you something 300 FPS over the internet anyway (assuming the client's internet is fast enough and it's encoded say 220 MBit/s).
i got a 6 month free code from my tv
@@Feynt Geforcenow is for gaming no rendering allowed
Regarding day pass pricing: t's called "decoy effect" in behavioral economics. Some items exist @ unattractive prices to make the item they ACTUALLY want You to buy more attractive.
Yep - in a 12 minute rant, how is this not mentioned for even a second? Weird how wrong Linus gets some things
It's the same thing they do for in-game currencies.
The problem with $1 is there's a minimum charge on all transactions, and the cost of a $1 trial is basically no profit. $4 is basically a profit point for transactions. 100%, it should be "Pay $4 now, upgrade to the full month for $6 more", but we know it isn't going to be a thing because business majors don't think like that.
I mean yeah, but the trial isnt meant to bring in profit, it's just to get them paying and hope they forget to cancel, or like the product enough to keep paying.
A trial period is basically marketing. Usually, you expect to lose money on marketing because the purpose is to generate sales, rather than make money itself.
@@JoeNokersThe problem is if it costs $1.50 per transaction, and you charge $1 to the public, you lose money and that's absolutely unacceptable to everyone. Even if you charge $2, that isn't a big enough profit margin for the people running the show. The day pass is absolutely supposed to be a way to rake in money on rubes who will pay for that trial. They know they can't get you to pay the full month up front though. They just need a number that's low enough that it's not easily divisible evenly into the full price, but high enough to get above the transaction fee and make a decent profit.
@@sergarlantyrell7847 Once upon a time beta periods were sign up only for a limited group with a focus on making the game the best it could be for release. Now we pay money to join betas and help them test their real money transaction stores. You think business majors aren't looking for a way to make us pay for their marketing?
I don't think that's what is at issue for NVidia.
I'd want to see if the streaming would actually work for my situation before I committed.
So I wanna give an alternate take on this. I had a similar reaction and then think I understand where they're going. Consider Asia and how big PC Cafes are. You pay about 5ish dollars and then a drink cost and play for from an hour to a day. So comparing that this gives you access to most games now for a full day. They seem to be going for a Virtual PC Cafe. I don't think it's meant to be for people who game often and a lot. It's meant for people who work and school the entire week and then have a single Saturday and tell their friends let's game. Or the friend that doesn't game nor need the specs but is invited. Realistically a month no matter the value isn't worth it for them and it needs to be less efficient than the full plan for the cost since they don't have a guaranteed monthly income.
On top of this, it benefits super busy people who let's say even with a month have two days of play so realistically they get the value in their day off. Alternatively a Streamer wanting to do a speed run can binge hard. It's not meant for hard core gamers but people who game every so often. You can't use the ad version in a stream as it has a queue but if you really only need it for a specific day or event and can't run the game it's a life send. I've seen a lot more cases off people picking a day and speed running an entire Genshin Event or Overwatch day and playing 6h of it with a low spec computer without needing two.
So basically I think the trial branding was a bad thing. This is a completely new offering and is cool for those who need it. I know plenty this would be good for and it saves them money overall if they play games once a month and don't need a gaming PC.
I've paid for the month a few times to game with friends that wanted games i couldn't run. We played like once a month cause of their family obligations. I don't see an issue with it being an option as long as it dosn't raise the price of other offers.
I never saw any Trial branding, so I had assumed from the off that it was meant as a one-off or occasional use thing too. Wanna do some gaming today, pay it and bam you can game all you want on that day. No ongoing committment to keep paying over and over. Only ever when you actually know you're going to pick up a controller/mouse and do the thing.
Doesn't really interest me personally as I already have both consoles and a gaming PC, so I don't need it. But I've worked with a few folks who were 'this is my gaming day' types that this would be right up their alley. Don't wanna put down the cash to buy the hardware needed, but still want to have the sit down and play experience on set days.
i definately see it as a trial thing. Geforce now wont work on every internet connection, so paying for a day pass is a good way to test it before buying a full month. I assume it will eventually replace the free tier.
Even if you only game 4 times a month on average, buying the monthly subscription still beats buying the pass. The only way this works out in your favor is if you play twice a month, and after taxes idk if that's even true. It just exists to make the monthly subscription feel like a better choice.
it would still make more sense to pay 10$ for a month of it to use 4 times than 16$ for 4$ a day
3:29 Wow, that sounds.....twobad.....if that actually happens of course.
Crazy meta moment especially because they collabed with him
Dang
Who/what are they talking about?
@@smillman437 Twomad
@@smillman437 twomad
I think a Floatplane trial would be reasonable if it limited downloads to only a few (just so you can try it out and make sure it works without having someone abuse it). Also if you don't have free trials, maybe have a way for the creators to have a couple "free preview" videos so people can get the gist and see if they like it (I mean they can kinda do that separately on TH-cam, but I think having a way to try out Floatplane itself would be beneficial).
Me too and I wish patron would do that too
Nebula does something similar, a few videos can be watched logged out (it says like “the first one is on us”) but a lot of videos are excluded to avoid abuse
@@nicholas4839 Depends on the Patreon. I've seen a few that will have free tier posts.
I bet they were worried if it was cheaper that people would us it as a “I have 2 days a month on average to game, paying $2 twice a month is much cheaper than $10 a month”
HOLD ON at 1:40 variable refresh rates are part of the spec - Nvidia isn't just locking people out because of any sort of tech reason, they are actually not adhering to the spec
They also mention that older intel-based mac's with their older GPUs are also part of the spec, and these predate RTX2000/GTX1600... which made no sense.
Exactly. It's not like it needs an "Optical flow accelerator" or whatever.
can't believe youtube decided to recommend the twomad rig video 💀
There aren't any "decisions" being made. The algorithm picked up raised levels of interaction based on tokens related to the topic "Twomad" and raised the priority of related elements in searches and recommendations.
@@realdog2552Ackchyually🤓
he did get referenced in the video
@@realdog2552 🤓
It's so people see the month sub as just being a few $ more and they'll just get the more expensive one, it's just like companies do with food ect, a multi pack is only a few .$ more then people are more likely to spend the extra
Please have the lab do a piece on AMD ROCm for AI workloads. Compared to Nvidia obviously
ROCM does not even compare to CUDA. It does not come close.
it's probably there to make the lower tear month look like a better option in comparison. Why would you choose the day pass? you wouldn't if double the cost you get a month. see it make the month plans look better.
It might just be a pricing thing? Like to encourage people to just go "eh what the hell" and subscribe to the full, recurring subscription? Kinda like the "large menu upgrade" thing in fast food chains
Here is something to consider. There are people who already have a decent rig and only need something extreme once in a blue moon. They can already do their "normal" stuff on their own setup, so the need for the service would be for very short duration and rather infrequent.
About 6 years ago, I upgraded to an overkill rig for *one* game. Ever since then, there have not been a single other game that I cared about that would demand that. This is because I'm primarily a strategy, tactic, card and board game player. Most of those are either really light or more CPU heavy, nothing really demands much from the GPU and my previous rig handles them perfectly fine. It's the RPGs that really demands a good GPU and that was the only one I played in recent years.
Given that, a short term rental could very well suffice--you only need a day or two to binge a game(it is a single player game, not MMO).
It's kind of like renting a van/truck to move when you have a normal car for daily use. You really only need it that much even if daily rate is the worst.
P.S. To be honest, I'm not much of a binger and likes to fully explore, so the game did take me a while to finish. But I'm fairly sure that it is possible to do the binge in a day or two if you really wanted to. And it's not like the game is unplayable on the previous rig, so I could do most of the stuff on that and then just "upgrade" to replay the most beautiful/dramatic moments or something.
People will buy the one day for $4 for the same reason people are willing to pay $1.50 for a pint of milk when a gallon is $5. If you're away from home and only need it for one day, you're not going to pay $10 for a month to game with the boys on raid night when you have a pc at home, you're going to pay $4 for a one time use on your cheap laptop.
I bought an RTX 2070 Super and while I keep getting mad at game devs for not optimising texture vram usage (COD had 4k textures for the grass billboards for example, utterly insane), it still holds up to raw Vertex/Polygon pushing against its betters.
Yes the RTX features are lacking because it's a weaker version but I generally dont want to play my games as if they have a vaseline smear on them for a few extra FPS, also the fact that the only game I've played that implements DLSS properly is Satisfactory which actually lets you tweak the scaling values, the quality and so on rather than just giving me an option for "Quality level".
But as soon as the raw performance starts to feel bad, I'll be moving to AMD, I'm done with NVIDIA.
Just had a 2080 Super for a couple of weeks and found it to be absolutely enough for me... had to give it back but it has adjusted my perspective a bit, I guess I could probably get along just fine with a 3060 or something too.
pretty weird that in south america, a day pass costs almost $5, a "priority" month costs about $12 (with a 40 hour per month without queues, after which queues get absurdely high, at around 200 ppl, also, 5 hour sessions), then there's pro at $20 (80 hours per month, 6 hour sessions) and ultimate at $40 (160 hours per month, 7 hour sessions), there's no extra perks for the pro and ultimate plans like 120 fps or 4k, and you'll find yourself using a 1060 quite often in all plans, the best card i ever found myself using is a 2070, and even that is quite rare to happen
let's not even talk about bitrate dips, weird slowdowns, frequent outages and absent support team, and the fact that there's only one server in uruguay, meaning unless you are in uruguay, chile, argentina or around the south of brazil you will get 60+ ms latency
also, they get away with their poor service due to lack of competition, guess abya was the cheaper of the offerings nvidia had to host their service in SA
took luke a MINUTE to get what linus was talking about 💀
What is he talking about?
Wasnt it twomad passing away?
@@MrChocolatecowtwomad
@@MrBozo08no way their collaboration with twomad was recommended right after this video. That's crazy.
😂😂😂😂
Variable refresh rate on a Mac is pretty simple: Apple specifically implemented it for video (to avoid stutter) and mp4/mkv support none fixed refresh rates since: ever.
But even if it wasn’t. You can just create a 3d context, render the video to it and sync it whenever a new frame arrives. This should also work on AMD and old NVIDIA GPUs though.
$4 /day is $400 if you do 100 days out of 365 in a year......thats fuckin WILD!
Yeah at that point just build a decent rig that you could play on forever offline. $400 can go a long way if you are smart with parts.
Either way I'm sure it will still have a market for people who are either ignorant, can't see long term, or unfortunately can't purchase components for some reason.
1:25 when I attach my joycons onto my switch
People truly don't care about Ray Tracing, is just that there are many "stigmatas" that are running around GPUs, like "You need NVENC to stream in better quality", "There are more games supporting DLSS than FSR", etc.
I think people do care about rt to an extent, but it's not the end all be all. In fact, amd gpus can do rt pretty decently. They are just about a generation behind nvidia is all. Nvenc is better, but it's not some crazy night and day thing. AMD is perfectly serviceable for streaming. Dlss is definitely better than fsr, but again, it's not crazy of a difference. Especially going up to 4k. AMD does give better raw performance per dollar, and more vram. For many this makes up for the feature set disparity, but it does depend on your priorities and use case.
I love rt turn it on in every game and mod it into others. Love the progress too. Going from launch cp2077 to Alan wake 2 has been amazing. Sucks that amd can't do anything right.
@@GarrettTobyC13 what gpu do you have that youre using it as much as humanly possible? youre a significantly tiny minority lol
People definitely do care about ray tracing.
I for one am gladly willing to sacrifice half my framerate for the better lighting. That said, even despite this i still run an AMD gpu because they're better for a lot of the non-ray tracing games i play due to high VRAM capacity. And they do ray tracing well enough in most cases (at 1440p)
I don't care about things like DLSS since i prefer to run native resolution as it just looks better. Though nvidias video upscaling is a feature i miss on AMD.
@@Paiskii I've got a 4070ti. My only regret is not waiting for the super. Oh well I plan on upgrading to the 5000 series anyway. It's nice to money to buy the better option.
A flaotplane trial could be limited to the number of videos you can watch, as well as not being able to download videos, and maybe even adding a watch limit per hour, which to let you watch the whole video but only afterwards start the cooldown until you can watch the next video, if the watch limit was reached. For example, if you watched a 6 hours video wand the cool down is 4 times the watch time, then after watching it you get 24 hours of cooldown, and each 5-10 minutes you update everyone's cooldown to be reduced by those 5-10 minutes between each update. Though you could have the periods of time larger than 1 hour be updated every hour, to reduce the amount of processing power used for updating values. So that means one loop reducing the cooldown by 5-10 minutes, and another loop which to reduce the cooldown by 1 hour but only if that is the first run of the cronjob (repetitive periodical task) for that hour.
Why aren't we asking the question of why they are even changing for this. Is no one sick of being nickel and dimed???
I think the model of gives us your CC and we hope you forget you subbed is predatory and should be illegal. I forgot to cancel my adobe 14 day trial and they instantly subbed me for an annual subscription. Then when I tried to cancel they charged me 50% of the remaining ANNUAL sub. I wish I could report them because that is the most anti-consumer thing ever, I will never use adobe again and I hope they lose their customers. This behaviour only hurts brands
It's easy to understand. They charge a premium for a day pass, because they expect you to use the service more during a day period, which also means they expect if you pay for a month, you won't use it as often as you think you might. You have to see it from the perspective of what do they have to loose, then secondly how they plan to avoid that and still make money.
I think the point of the 4$ one day pass is for people that urgently need a way to play their games. It isn't a way to get customers.
Honestly, I’ve been a GFN subscriber for 4 years but I think that Shadow is better value.
I know, the GPU is not a 4080 and the price and bla-bla-bla
But in the end; I can run AI models, play ANY games etc…
Once GTA is available on PC I’ll be able to play it on my shadow but not on my GFN…
I just got a 7800xt to replace my 2070 and couldn’t be happier. Nvidia has been dropping the ball.
Honestly I could see someone just paying the 4 dollars and seeing if the service works for them as like if latency is bad for them, seeing if the can handle it on their end or if the service is just not as great as it's made up to be
I think what is happening is that Nvidia looses money on each user whenever the user is playing; so they just use the idle time payments to make up for it. But when a user only has a 1 day pass, they are not gonna be paying for idling, they will probably pay for the whole day so that's why they are charging the 'full' amount.
Nvidia sees a future of virtual arcades handing out 4 dollar bracelets to play for the day. Someday we'll have to wear our biometric VR gear, and swipe our virtual card at the door to enter "Geforce Life."
So this past year both me, and a lot of my homies all decided to switch to Team Red... honestly. I went from a 2070 to a RX6800xt. Spent only 300$ on the card, and I've doubled most my framerates. All my friends having somewhat similar stories.
People are scared because of the "driver issues" AMD cards have... which seem to be all but gone at this point, even while Nvidia's drivers seem to get more and more unstable. It's this weird sunk cost fallacy.
I think if someone could truly put the rumors of "AMD Driver bad, Nvidia driver good" to rest... and quantify the improvements that've occurred over the past 2 years, they might... very slowly gain some ground. Especially for what you get for your money in comparison (if you're not a 3D artist)
The difference is that the day pass won't auto renew month to month like the subscription would. If someone is a very very casual gamer - like I'll get on once a month or less type of thing, this could make sense for them
THE TWOMAD JOKE WAS WILD
Lmao was it him? Where is the footage from the stream?
@@apo617 when twomad died he left his computer on playing overwatch for 5 days
@@apo617 3:03
$1 or $2/day would be great to both make people try out the service, and make them come back. Also, 10 or 5 days, respectively, would suffice to cover the monthly fee. And once a player reaches this amount, Nvidia could just say "now the rest of the month is for free".
If the day pass is unlimited per account, they could be afraid of casual gamer. It's like streaming services, they don't provide a "one movie" pass to unsure that you subscribe for a month or a year but only use their service a couple of days each month.
There is an afk thing on geforce, I believe it kicks you after 10 minutes or 20 minutes of inactivity.
i had a rx580 and i had lots of driver issue, then i buy a 1060 6gb, plug and play, never touched it, only on drivers update that i just installed and forget about it.
I never had issues unless i tried overclocking/undervolting, sometimes it would crash and mess up the drivers and i would have to reinstall them
The bad thing here is even though people know it's a shitty tactic because of society nowadays requiring more and more of our time on work just to earn a living to pay rent and other costs.
It has a very downward spiral effect on people, just in my family alone my sister buys into downpayments so much like I told her that it would be cheaper to buy your own laptop and use that and you wouldn't have to pay monthly she's like I would barely even be able to play so why buy a laptop. And I'm like that's the same thing you're subscribed and paying monthly even though you can barely use it, atleast if you buy a laptop you can turn it off and set it aside if you're not using it and you're not paying for anything more.
My nephew too since he started working, I told him it'd be better to buy your games from steam or get discs for the PS5. He has the same mentality he subscribed to the top tier PSN premium and said that he basically can't play much because of work in 3-4 months he's been playing the same game which means he's been paying around $50-70 dollars for a single game which he could have just bought for $30 dollars and he would own it.
I know at the end of the day it's their money, but it's just sad to see that they think they're getting a better deal because they're getting charged a little every month.
in my opinion, what nvidia is doing its like a "at home Lan cafe" service. considering you get a few hours for the same price nvidia is giving a day for, with this percpective its not that bad of a deal. if someone wants to use it once in a while, just like if people went to a Lan cafe, then this is much better for that type of costumers.
I have heard that before, VRR talks directly to the GPU. I had noticed that frame counters can read the framerate of the stream. Perhaps that is where the opportunity is.
7:30 well I can see somewhat of a use case for a one day purchase. If I come over to a friend and dont want to bring along a hole pc I could just use a laptop, plugin the ethernet maybe a nice monitor, knm and start cloud gaming. When driving back the same night i dont have the headache to unplug everything and plug it back in at home.
Thats some scenario I would think of. But if its a scenario that could happen more than 3 times per month there is no point to it.
the day pass is for internet cafes where they will literally game for 24 hours strait. but they wont use the computer much longer then that. that is all
I have a Founders Priority Geforce Now which is 27.45eur/6 months so 4.58eur/month... and they release a tier which gives you a 1 day pass for the same price...
when i last looked at prices, at least for my country, AMD GPUs are expensive, more so than Nvidia GPUs, i already pay like a 20% premium for computer hardware, AMD GPUs is more than that. There is also efficiency which does matter.
MacOS variable refresh rate (Adaptive Sync) can be controlled via Metal API, so its not "GPU talking to monitor" and not even a driver thing. Maybe thats why nvidia supports its on mac.
Its funny that some people buy Nvidia for raytracing but because they arent paying a grand for the top end its still too much of a performance cost to leave on. Its also funny that people will even have a more positive sentiment to 3000 series for raytracing when AMD is actually pretty comfortable against even the 3090 when it comes to RT
What they should do is make it a 72-hour pass and charge the same amount of money. They can easily mark it as trying it out for a weekend. $4 to binge game over a weekend is very reasonable, and it's the ideal time to be testing out a service like that.
In poorer countries that price difference is bigger, whilst having a higher demand
I would pay for a single day just to feel how its like to play on a newer pc without having to pay a rather high price, but i understand how stupid it is in more advanced ecomomically countries
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I don't think line is understanding the manipulation nivida is doing here with the day pass it's there so someone looks at it and goes why would I pay for that then get the longer day one and more likely chance they would forget to cancel
geforce now helped me alot
back when i still was running a shitty setup
and some games couldn't run
but also, when my gpu died and i was looking for a replacement, 10$ and play for a month
or go into debt
unless they got a server less than 150ms away from where i live (they dont), this kind of thing is useless to me and a step backwards. so i bought a 7900xt.
“Why would anyone in their right mind pay 40% of the price of an entire month for one day” Car Rentals, Hotels…this is pretty common.
My issue with AMDs lineup is ... that excuse everyone gives "if you dont care about RT and the AI features and DLSS and all of that its quite compelling"
yeah, or you can pay basically the same price and get all of that. Even if you dont think you will use it, you might as well go for it and have it but not need it instead of risking 2 years down the line needing it but not having it.
plus you get better drivers, better compatibility with software, and better efficiency.
Well, having a 1070, I now understand why Gsync doesn't work. Starting to get real tired of nVidia's shit
when you add in all the require number sum instead of percentage fees then the percentage fees you get to 1 USD would just make them a few cents per transactions and cost more than a few cents to hold in the accounting spreadsheet if they do it multiple times. So it is profitable for nVidia to have it at a minimum of 4 USD though i do agree with Linux if the same user buys the subscription in the same month it should go towards paying the sub so it is 4 + 6 USD for the first month or 4 + 7 USD the first month so nVidia doesn't lose any profit.
Problem is, trial periods are marketing. They're not supposed to make a profit, they're supposed to attract long term customers who will eventually pay more than what the trial period cost the business.
Oh I need to find the service that had the regular stuff like Monthly subsciption but they also sold single day tickets as it was called.
think of it as you bought 10 coupons and every time you used a coupon you got a day of the service this was great for people that used the service 1-2 a month as the they said I dont want a monthly subscription because I dont need to use the service daily or even weekly.
The "if you don't care about xyz" must be a big deal to a bunch of people if Nvidia keeps seeling they way they do despite pricing and competitors. I'd love to know why Luke is so certain ray tracing isn't important to a lot of people- I'd guess LMG has a self sampling bias
The ONE use case I see is for Videogame Journalists to have a preview session of an unreleased game. $4 from PR of whatever is a good deal for high quality access to your game for a short time for Marketing/journalistic purposes. For the average pixel blaster dont bother.
Absolutely not lmao
You are not going to charge "ME" to review YOUR product.
@@Shemegory I mean for PR to pay for the Journalist to have access.
The problem with AMD GPUs is, in less developed markets they distribution is terrible. When I got my 1060 6gb I wanted an rx 580, couldn't find one to buy months after launch. Lower end 7000 series like 7600 are just now becoming available and they are honestly way more expensive than 6000's, teah they are better, but did they launch so much more expensive over there as well?
You can end a subscription right after your start one so you don't forget, it'll finish the month you've payed for, with Xbox Game Pass (only payed 1$) I saw a option where I could ask for a refund so on day 29 I asked for a refund out of curiosity expecting to receive about 0,03$ since I had already used it for 29 days but I actually got the full 1$ back lol.
I got the ultimate pass, playing Fortnite Mobile 4k 😂
(Also, playing Cyberpunk, State of decay 2 & will play World war z soon ) All in MAX graphics.
Btw, Sometimes in Fortnite I think I get an RTX 4090 which is cool!
so, if you are afk after like 5-15 min it kicks you from the session at least on priority
GeForce now is a godsend for me for when I want to do some gaming on my work machine, as I refuse to carry around gaming laptop like I used to so in those instances when I want to play some World of Warships, Elite: Dangerous or Destiny 2 on the move I can. I don't really need these super plans they do however. The base one is fine for my laptop.
@LMGClips do you think nvidia is anti competitive
still using a 750TI. til it breaks dont care. cant afford a newer one anyway lol
The thing is that a lot of people who make money don't have more than 1 day a week to put into games, so it makes sense to make that at least 1/4 The cost of the monthly, and maybe push double it for those who have a whole weekend to game.
I don't like it, but it totally makes sense to me from a strategic perspective.
I don't think this is for people that don't have time to play games.
If you don't have time to play games, you're not worried about your variable refresh rate... You just want the game to work.
i was so confused at first cus i didn't know GeForce Now was the name of the streaming service, thought it was just the driver name. I was like did they mean now it supports freesync?? could you ONLY use GSync before?? which i believed since it's nvidia
Nvidia's naming conventions haven't always been the smartest lol but at least it's not Sony bad. GeForce Now was repurposed into the streaming service while the drivers/driver support app is called GeForce Experience since Windows (and supposedly Linux based OS but I never use them so no clue) can just instantly download the current driver as you sign in if you let it. GeForce Now was just a way to get your driver "Now" instead of requiring the CD that was always out of date.
I don't mean to be insensitive in any way, but I wonder if India's ~15% Linux market share has anything to do with the lack of resources thus leading to a significant portion of the population working with older devices in which Linux would perform better than Windows on.
Regarding gpus AMD vs Nvidia, the thing is quite clear
You buy a new one for twice the price at potentially 4x (dlss) the performance? Or still spend 1k to just get 1/4th
DLSS performance doesn't count though. Plenty of people want to run at native resolution for better image quality.
DLSS vs native is apples and oranges. You could compare DLSS and FSR though.
@@Erowens98 And yet, we still speak about double the performance
@@X39 no, we don't. Amd is very competitive at native resolution with rasterization.
The issue with the NVIDIA market share is that nobody talks about AMD. Everywhere you look is just NVIDIA marketing. At best you get a footnote that AMD is competitive.
Most people don’t know how well FSR works. Yes it is bit worse than DLSS, but you won’t notice the difference in the heat of the game. But all you see is how great that minor update to DLSS is.
Many people also aren’t aware of ROCm, which leads to the issue that companies don’t want to adopt it. PyTorch has support for ROCm a while now and it works great. Been messing around with Stable diffusion from time to time.
And if you are at a level of AI development where the speed difference between AMD and NVIDIA matters you wouldn’t be shopping for a GForce in the first place.
Not to mention that ROCm is open source. So you are protected from NVIDIA shenanigans like restricting new CUDA features to RTX5000.
They have "free" option for tryin the basic service without a card. You can see how it works on your hardware.
I think nvidia trial thing is scalability. If its 1 dollar or free trial etc the NUMBER of people trying daily or in the first months would likely be higher then the amount of gpus/servers they can handle- and dont doubt gamers, even more so the younger ones, believe me a teen with lots of free time would easily go 6 hours on their trial day. But regardless of that concurrent users is a much trickier number, even if they were all playing for 2 hours.
AMD has not competed with pricing that makes sense for me to abandon Nvidia. If they brought their prices down another 100 or 200 dollars I would consider giving up Nvidia.
I'm pretty sure the 4 USD is set to be just above the amount you could mine with the GPU.
AMD could do with a marketing campaign. A lot of people just don't realise their lineup is competitive and just get Nvidia because it's the easy option if you don't want to go down rabbit holes of research.
3:12 - Luke's expressions lolol
3:04 - twomad reference
duh
Twomad be playing overwatch for 5 days straight 💀
why not bill per hour of usage?
Rent. Gas. Water. Electricity. Internet. Phone. / Music streaming, movie streaming, premium ad-removal per website, season passes, Adobe, etc.
This is a blatant money grab, and I hope NVidia's userbase is smart enough to avoid this bullshit. There's too many subscriptions. Ditch subscriptions.
I mean, a lot of people can't afford a 4080, but CAN afford 20 bucks a month, if you add that up you need to play for 4,5 years(!!!!) before you cross over the pricepoint of that card. And by that point the 6080 is already out and you could switch your plan withouth having to buy a new gpu. This way you can also make your older rigs keep in the game longer. I don't like subscriptions either but this is far from a bad deal.
wait what? i have geforce account since the beta and its still free to use/try, so there is a way to try the service for free and if u want to, you´ll pay for it
I mean, I would use it once just to see if GeForce now worked in my area without buying a whole month
Twomad mentioned???
I bought a month of ultimate, the ads for the day pass got me. Can't say I'm impressed, the games I play have awful compression and quality.
If you buy a pricey graphic card it better be able to do RTX and DLSS.
That's exactly the hook. It's better value to subscribe for longer and more money for Nvidia for the long term.
More stable income.
You’re right, nobody would pay for them, but that makes the above price look better by comparison.
I have the 27$ / 6 month founder subscription since years and I will keep it.
Yeah, it's a lot cheaper than buying a computer, you should.
in czechia our 1 day highway pass is 50% price of 1 month pass, similar to what nvidia offers 🙃
3:03 is this a Twomad reference?
i think so, idk if he was doing geforce now but he was playing overwatch and it was left on for days.
Can someone explain to me what rasterization is?
They made twomad a pc right?
I used to buy nowTV day and weekend passes for sport events rather than buy a sky cable box. The passes were about 40GBP for a day whereas the actual subscription with sky was around 120GBP, its a significant part of the monthly payment for only 1 day but if you only need it for 1 or 2 days a month its worth it. I can imagine someone who travels a large amount or works a busy job and has two or so days off a month to themselves where they just play the whole day for two days. Especially for my friends who work in healthcare who very rarely have time to themselves.
Honestly, as someone who's lucky if he gets 1 day/month for gaming, I could see myself buying a day pass. But I'm pretty sure their goal is just to make the monthly subscription look cheaper in people's eyes.
Geforce now laughed at my Internet.
10 down 2 up. Beat you can get that doesn't have 200 ping
Does floatplane have a roku app?
Floatplane daypass even without download button could easily be scraped with a python script.
Glad I picked up 7800xt instead of 4070🙃