When i saw Finn wield a light saber I wanted to see a Storm Trooper who wasn't noticed as force sensitive to become a Jedi that would be so cool and Rey could be an equal to Finn but instead John Boyega was forced to be a side character to Rey and then Disney saw the love from the fans towards John Boyega that they wanted to say Finn feels the force in the final movie they should've introduced that Finn was force sensitive near the end of the first movie
I could be wrong about this, but I believe John Boyega’s issue wasn’t with fans, but more so the way he was treated by the franchise/Disney. It’s a shame cause he was a great character and could’ve had a much better character arc
Yeah, he's a hardcore EU fan and was trying to voice his opinions during and after Force Awakens, and the more he spoke, the more he felt ostracized by the higher-ups.
Pretty much all the actors were pissed at Disney for being handed such lame roles. Oscar Issac, Mark Hamill, etc. Imagine being put into a starring role into the biggest movie franchise of all time, and then being handed one of the most disappointing scripts of all time. Half of Finn's lines were probably REEYYYYY
@@MitchisaTurtle I swear, Finn should’ve been the Jedi protagonist of the sequel trilogy! I mean come on, a stormtrooper turned Jedi knight is such a better story than another kid from a desert planet
@@matthewbee128 Honestly, I wouldn't have even minded if both of them becoming jedi. IK in Last Jedi, they were teasing Kylo offering Rey the chance to leave the jedi and sith and start a new thing, but they quickly scrapped that. It'd be cool if they become grey/neutral jedi, Finn is your more noble jedi, and maybe he has to help Rey and Kylo come to term with their true self. Idk, the sequel trilogy DID have a l9ot of neat ideas dug in there, but they really couldn't execute on many of them.
I think they mean within the trilogies themself. So that answer would be between The Phantom Menace & Attack of the Clones being a 10 year gap, & the shortest gap of course being Force Awakens & Last Jedi literally seconds apart.
If instead of Rey Skywalker she said "Just Rey" that would've been WAY better than any last name, cause in the end she is herself, not whatever last name we've been trying to figure out through the trilogy. IMO anyway
I get what they were going for. She chose the name Skywalker because that's her actual "family". The people that accepted her. Mud is thicker than blood and everything. But your idea would be so much better because at the end of the day, it doesnt matter whose descendant she is She is Rey
@@cxthednalien Considering she connected with Han and technically Leia and him got married making her a Solo, then there is her force bond with Ben Solo so wouldn't using the last name Solo make the most sense? She didn't have a good relationship with Luke so she doesn't really have a close connection to the Skywalker name.
@@cxthednalien That would work if Luke and Rey didn't hate each other pretty much just up until Luke's death. Also Leia while technically a Skywalker went as Organa most of her life, so if the intention was for her last name to represent her relationship with her, then it's just confusing because most people don't know Leia as Leia Skywalker.
Fun fact: The Dead Speak refers to a galaxy wide announcement Palpatine made that shocked everyone. Out of fiction, the broadcast was played inside Fortnite, of all places.
@@AkimboJV I mean, hell, they literally destroyed the Fortnite "universe" with a Big Bang event that shut it down for a few days. Masters of advertising
I will never forget this because my son got me to watch that event live with him and I was like "aw nice they got Ian McDiarmid to record something for it" lol IF I ONLY KNEW
John Boyega's (Finn) problem wasnt with the fans, it was with the studio. His character WAS supposèd to be a firce user and have a much bigger role. But they ended up changing it all and sidelining him.
Yeah, which says a lot. It's not even like the prequels where they're like "nah, I don't get it, those were awesome 🤷" - they're like "uhhh....okay, let's talk about some things...."
If you have played Jedi : Fallen Order you may be interested to know Starkiller base is actually lIlum, it was a snow-covered planet where you went to get your Kyber crystal. The Galactic Empire occupied Ilum and began excavating it for its vast supply of kyber crystals, which were to be used in the construction of the first and second Death Stars. The over-mining of the planet caused its core, and later a massive Imperial Trench, to open up along Ilum's equator.
@daurydavis3983 still was a horrible writing decision and shows the writers didn't understand that basic fact about Anakin yet thinks they can call Rey a Skywalker with that limited knowledge, but don't forget Anakin destroyed the death star 😂
@Roach_Dogg_JR I would think it would be a widely known fact considering he was a slave there his his mother died on that planet it wouldn't take a genius to surmise that he doesn't like Sandy planets
"You wanna buy some Death Sticks?" *waves hand* "You don't want to sell me Death Sticks..." "I don't wanna sell you Death Sticks..." "You want to go home, and rethink your life..."
I still don't understand people crying about that. What did you expect Poe to say there, "Thanks to the dark force powers in the form of cloning that he learned from ancient sith lord Plageus, Palpatine has just announced his return from the dead in the form of a spirit possessing a cloned body"? Tf are you all on?
@@a_balloon That's a Straw Man argument. The line is dumb because it's an admission that "somehow" is a better explanation than any explanation at all. The film gestures at things like cloning and dark Sith powers but doesn't elaborate on either. If bringing back Palpatine requires too convoluted an explanation to keep the audience engaged, then he shouldn't be brought back. They still had two villains in Kylo and Hux that they could have written to be serious threats, or they could've wrote in a different mastermind behind Snoke.
@piperskalka3909 It performed under their channel average, so they will be releasing occasional season long binges instead of watching it on TH-cam weekly. It will be here on Patreon every Tuesday though. They are watching the entire series still, it'll just take a little longer to reach TH-cam.
Three things i wished this trilogy did. 1. Proving Finn is force sensitive from the very beginning. Force Awakens there really was hints that Finn was force sensitive, even giving him mini battles with the lightsaber. 2. Anakin's force ghost appearing to Kylo Ren when Kylo makes a final decision turning back to the light. 3. Rise of Skywalker, maybe should have been Ben rising from the darkness, hence the name of the movie, and lives on despite all the bad stuff he done. He already rose from the darkness but i didn't like the idea of him dying off. But Leia waiting for Ben to disappear so she can go with him, i COMPLETELY didn't notice that when i watched it in theaters. Having Rey and Kylo flip light and dark in the end, Finn becomes a new jedi in training while Rey either deals with turning back to the light or dies embracing the evil within and Kylo moves on to be a hermit or a fighter in the shadows. Something like that, it doesn't have to be exactly like that. But overall there was still a lot of good things against the bad of the movies. These guys seriously knows how to find the good within the bad and point out it in a balanced way.
I don’t hate these films but I still wish we got something closer to George Lucas’ story outline that Disney discarded when making TFA. It would’ve been about rebuilding the Jedi order, freeing the new republic from corruption and space pirates, an empire that has become nothing but small time terrorists Just more interesting than redoing the Original trilogy imo
With Star Wars you're kinda damned if you do and damned if you don't. The "fans" would've hated whatever George was planning, just like they did with Empire and Jedi and just like they did with the prequels.
@@Jay-gq1mo sure but i still think i Doing something new would be infinitely better over what the sequels ended up doing imo. They didn’t really add much to Star Wars while the prequels undeniably did
I believe the way it was worded was, if the original trilogy was the Vietnam War, and the prequels were the American civil war/firs world war, then the planned sequel would be the aftermath of the Iraqi war.
Honestly I do t even hate theTFA story we got but I hate how very clearly JJ had a plan in his head that he didn’t discuss with Rian and then he went and undid all the stuff Rian did in the final movie to play catchup, weird opinion but I LIKE Last Jedi and think they should’ve built off of it-also they should’ve made Finn a confirmed force sensitive who trained with Rey
so the novel the rise of skywalker says that this palpatine is a clone of the original, but unlike the clones contains the soul of the original. Rey is a daughter of a failed clone. They realllllly should of included this bit in the movie.
Luke: My father (who is a tyranical commander that exterminated the whole jedi order, kill people, aliens and kids for more than 20 years) still have good in him Also Luke: My nephew (who had bad dreams) had to be killed
More like Also Luke: I failed my nephew (Who has been showing to be dangerously close to falling to the dark side) because I sensed he would've far worse than Vader EVER was and felt immense shame for even considering harming him
The sequel trilogy has a fair amount of good ideas, but the entire thing is just an unfortunate mess that needed to be handled by a single team that had a solid vision. Instead they had no idea what they wanted to do, had 2 different directors with different visions, and they were far too reliant on the old cast while also trying to move on from them.
rian built on the themes and questions presented the same way kershner did with lucas on Empire, it was up to whomever made the third one to continue progressing. Trevarrow was going to, but the studio’s backed out from fear by the rabid fan base, leaving JJ & Terrio to essentially treat IX as a sequel to the force awakens instead
@@The_Real_Mr_Al every character’s arc in TLJ is direct response the plot and progression of TFA. The only thing that was a potential “diversion” was snoke, but JJ gave nothing there other than just being a big bad, so Rian took the opportunity to utilize Snoke as a tool to uplift Kylo, the far more interesting character 😅
It made more sense for Lando to "show up" Poe at the end of the battle, the Falcon has way more surface area to pick up people from the surface of that destroyer, and has and entryway on top for them to get inside on for the rest of the flight.
I saw episode 9 in theatres, and even with all the lights off, I'm pretty I felt nearly everyone in the room raise a collective eyebrow at the Kylo Rey kiss.😅
I'm glad to see this is up again. And I'm glad you didn't listen to everyone saying not to watch and decided to form your own opinion. Y'all are real ones.
I liked the first movie, I thought it was great. The Rey being stronger than Kylo and needing no training is stupid, but easy to over look. Its the other two movies that were garbage.
-In star wars, spice is the galactic equivalent of like cocaine or crystal meth -force lightening is in fact a dark side ability. -Chewie's friends aren't his dogs, it's more like Chewie is the dog to his friends, he just happens to outlive them all, unlike an owner who out lives their dog. -Chewie's reacting to Leia's death was sadder than Han, Luke or Leia's actual death.
The bullying and harassment Kelly Marie Tran (Rose Tico) received from "fans" for this film is disgusting. Why do people always attack real-world people for just doing their job, playing fictional characters?
The bullying and harassment the fans did to almost all of the cast was disgusting, and they get mad when people call them one of the most toxic fandoms
I'm not going to lie, it's driving me bonkers how you guys are throwing out predictions and ideas that are accidentally 100% right while making them sound even more stupid than they actually are in the movies.
Oh, another issue with this trilogy is that it had 2 major 'creative leads'- the guy who was in charge of the first and third movie had a specific vision for where it would go, but they got a different guy in for the second one and he changed SO MUCH- so Episode VII set up a story and character arcs, Episode VIII twisted EVERYTHING by 130 degrees, then Episode IX had to, like, 'course correct' for what happened in the prior episode.
Not really true, JJ Abrams had no vision, he was hired to make 1 movie and bail out, it's just that Rian Johnson's take in Episode VIII was so controversial(The message is "Star Wars is awesome actually!") that Disney brought back JJ to 'finish his vision.'
@@Lithosagymfan173 and Episode IX would've fused the two in a much more conducive way if the original director stayed on, but that clearly didn't happen. That script needed work but it was far more interesting than TroS imo. Disney's failure to have a plan laid out was one of the biggest issues with the whole thing. But we can't change the past.
@@khrisbreezy3628 No Star Wars Trilogy had a plan, none had(Even the Prequels had mostly just the basics laid down but not much else). I'd say the problen with Sequel Trilogy is how Episode IX doesn't build on VIII but tries to weirdly retcon it(Again, Disney are cowards).
They all had plans, the main story beats were there. That's why there's a script that gets re-worked a dozen times in almost any movie, let alone series. The problem, was that they hired on JJ who wanted his main story beat to be that Kylo, unlike Anakin, would only be on a linear path into the Dark side. He would start out at his most good (already still evil, but cobflicted) and progress into being more evil from there. But then Rian came along, said "F-that! Let's make him and Rey lovers, and set up that he'll eventually be Anakin 2.0 and reverse course. And while we're at it, kill off everyone we can". But then oops, Carrie died during filming and it would be in bad taste to kill her now, so we'll CGI her in post, put her in the next one, and kill her off then so it isn't too soon. Then JJ had to come back and tape and glue the whole mess together again, with Disney embracing Rians vision more and forcing him to finish it off that way, instead of how he wanted and set up. Long story short, Disney screwed the pooch because that's all they know how to do. I love the characters from the sequels (mostly) but the writing, director(s), and Disney as a whole: failed.
Legit, your reactions explains so well what could have been done different to make these movies better. You guys are able to watch these movies, sense in the Force that something ain't right here, and then puts into words how to make them better. You guys are so good at reacting!
I more mind that the man that infiltrated the Republic, became a senator, paved the way to become the supreme Chancellor, change things enough to have the senate give him more and more power all whole also planning and managing a war against the Republic and fighting said war for the Republic, all without being discovered until he wanted to be, just fucjing announced he is back before the movie even started 😂
@heavycritic9554 it kinda did tho. Like this dude was able to do ALL OF THAT without ever being discovered until he was ready to show his hand and make the final move, and yet here he just yells out to the galaxy "I'll back bitches!" Before he even does anything. It makes no sense cause it's so out of his character! Bring him back, honestly not my biggest problem with the movie unlike some people's, but just make it make sense, have his plan make sense and have him somewhat in character. Hell if Ben found that "sith finder" or whatever and went to the planet and BOOM! Palpatine is just there without anyone knowing, that would have been way cooler then just everyone knowing he was back before they even found him 😂
The thing that pisses me off the most in sequals is the strategies. Nether side makes good choices during battles. That's why I've always described the First Order as a "Toddler with a mini gun". They got the tools, just not the brain power. Though, I will admit, I still had fun watching the sequals
Yeah, it was goofy af when at the start of TLJ the rebels are fleeing and instead of firing at the escape fleet they fire at the stationary base that probably had intel and gear left behind. Like the base isn't going anywhere! Then they do that silly thing of using that really slow bomber ships which for some reason can only drop bombs downwards despite the lack of gravity in space. Also it was wild when Admiral Holdo didn't tell her Commander what the plan of escape was, resulting in a mutiny. Another completely bogus choice in terms of military strategy. In the originals even if the Stormies had garbage aim, they at least had logical procedures.
@@Roach_Dogg_JR But the Y-Wings used ion cannons and proton missiles, so they logically made much more sense in space combat than the TLJ bombers. They were also faster and more maneuverable.
Dear Sorta Stupid, A little insight on the question you asked about blasters. Yes, they have to reload, they use gas canisters and depending on which gas they use, produces a different color bolt. Red is cheap gas thats easy to manufacture, although it is weaker. Blue bolts are made from Ionized Gas, which works effectively against droids. Green bolts are made from rare gas, and are very powerful. There are a few other colors but not much is known about them. Hope this helped😁
The issue with Finn is that his plan to destroy the drill wasn’t going to work. Even if he broke that one, the First Order had more. His sacrifice wasn’t worth anything in that moment.
he would have bought them more time. also the way she stopped him could have killed them both anyway ( frankly they should have been gunned down during their retreat on foot if the movie made any sense) overall it was poorly thought out no matter how you look at it.
Also how did she somehow get more speed then him to save him they all turned around no one was close enough to catch up and then come and hit him from side on at that point
@@michaelireland5505 also convenient that all the bad guys stopped shooting them for literally no reason even thought they're right in fucking front of them on an empty white field with 0 cover. tlj feels like a naked gun movie in terms of logic,
My favorite part about that scene is that he's shipless deep into enemy lines and it cuts, then it cuts back and somehow he dragged Rose's unconscious body like a mile back into base. Probably the worst continuity error in the franchise's history.
The explanation is that he's a clone, the movie outright shows us a tube filled with Snoke clones suggesting that they're all clones of Palpy who cloned himself(Or that quote:" The Dark Side leads to infinite possibilities.")
@@DylVan-k8y Why not? The technology might have not cloned fully, it cloned in a weaker state(We see the guy become fuller once his force is back), an imperfect clone, there are tons of media where the clone isn't a 1:1 copy. Kaine in Spider-Man, Bizarro to Superman, and even Star Wars itself has it with a female clone of Jango Fett.
2:30:15 To be fair. The writing for leia’s death was more so because carrie fisher died during the post production of the film. Which is why her death scene is also so dark because they needed to do cgi for it since she pasted away. The added death scene is the characters send off since we won’t ever have her again. Yes they did deep fake of her for rogue one but that clearly just doesn’t hold up to the actual actress.
I feel like I'm one of the few people who doesn't think it was weird that Kylo and Rey kissed at the end xD those two had been so connected through the force that they saw each other through GALAXIES. I don't think it was love, merely a moment of connection, and relief in the force as it was over.
This is my personal opinion, these are my main issues with the sequels Episode 7: (My favorite of the 3) Similar plot arc of episode 4 but just with a bigger death star and Rey just had great force skill out of nowhere where Luke had a 3 movie training arc to get where he was. Also where did they get Anakin's/Luke's lightsaber if it dropped into the middle of the planet in episode 5? Episode 8: I'm frustrated by Luke's off screen character development. It doesnt make his character relatable or as impactful since we saw straight to the end result instead of how he got to be a hermit. Also forcing some scenes like the kiss i agree with you guys on. Episode 9: Dont reveal Palpatine was back in the intro credits! It should have been an audience discovery along with Kylo's character finding him. Also i think a more fitting ending would have been Rey dying, completing her destiny and Kylo being alive to have a redemption journey, learning about his family history more like how Darth Vader turned to the good side in the end, hence making the title fit better. The Rise of Skywalker. Also side note, the whole of the sequels felt like the OG Trilogy but out of order with some story beats. Ex: Han felt like Obi-Wan from episode 4, Luke felt like Yoda from episode 6 and Kylo having similar story beats to Darth Vader.
SoUncivilized has a video essay about the sequel trilogy, and I personally think it sums up their issues very well without being one of those people who are just hating cause it's trendy, or being unnecessarily mean.
There is plenty of valid criticism to be discussed civilly on the sequels even the prequels. Even just the base reactions e.g when I saw last Jedi in the cinema and Leia flies back to the ship.....that had everyone laughing (myself too) I mean....thats not the reaction we are supposed to have and sums up alot of Sequel moments.
I'm pretty sure finn or poe's actor (or both) said they thought the end goal was to make them a romantic couple, and were shocked when disney said "no that was never the plan". They were like "those scenes you gave us.... they weren't romantic??"
Honestly I liked it, it wasn't far fetched for me. It did need some foreshadowing but considering it was a reactionary story decision from Disney, I didn't hate it
11:30 imagine you know of vader and the emperor, they are the thing you are most afraid. Someday you hear about some dude named Luke that went in a room with vader and the emperor, AND GOT IT OUT leaving the 2 dead. Bro must be in ALL nightmares
Finn wouldn't have stopped that cannon, it melted iron several meters away. He would have died stopping nothing, other than his life. Rose kissing Finn makes since because she went from a fangirl using Finn as emotional surrogate for her dead sister, she is the reason that he had an arc to become the hero that she was told he was, and she probably thought that that was her last moment alive.
In the case with force it is not like that that you need the dark and the light side for balance, because the light side ressembles balance while the dark side is chaos and destruction of everything. Sidious wasn't considered a real Sith by the ancient Sith Lords as he only wanted to dominate the dark side instead of following it's will.
I just realized how True that was Darth Vader aside from Palpatine was the most fearful and powerful Sith and was given the order “enough release him” but nobody was man enough to say the same thing to Kylo! God damnit Disney.
dude it’s so funny how Anakin created his lightsaber then it went through his training with obi wan after the dooku fight then the clone wars, order 66, Mustafar, it being used to literally fight Anakin/vader twice then falling down a shaft to then be put in fins hands😂. (Who even knows what happened to it b4 it got to her palace)
The biggest issue was not that those films were horrible on itself but more that they just don't work together. 8 completely resets Finns character and Roses character feels forced. I think Ryan had good ideas but completely disregarded JJ's ideas. Either way a bad coordinated trilogy doesn't justify the hate the actors and especially the actresses got.
I was not aware Rey was the first one to stop a ship mid-flight. First time I saw it was when Vader did it, but with that it was just, yeah, he's fucking Darth Vader. Of course he's immensely powerful with the force, his suit is even designed to constantly hurt him so that he's stronger with the dark side.
@@SpookySquid14 The Force Awakens video games. Which are unfortunately not canon to the Disneyverse. Sam Witwer who voices lots of stuff for Star Wars as Starkiller tearing up stuff in the 360/PS3/Wii generation.
2:24:00 it’s a Jango Fett-Boba Fett case. Palpatine died in Return of the Jedi and was brought back via cloning and dark science. In one of the various cloning experiments to try to make a new body for him, Rey's father was created.
One little problem I have with some of the new Disney stuff is it breaks some of the Star Wars science/logic. Specifically jumping to light speed from inside a gravity well. This is why interdictor star destroyers are a thing. They create artificial gravity wells to rip ships out of light speed and prevents them from jumping. You might think this is a Legends only thing and not part of Disney canon; however, they appear in the Rebels TV show and work exactly the same way. This means that the light speed skipping shouldn't work since he was jumping from inside gravity wells during it. Rogue One has this problem too, but I still love that movie.
You're following different people than I am, then. At least 90% of the problems fans have with the sequels--especially with "The Last Jedi--are with how they used the legacy characters.
@@colinvandenberg3446 it’s really disappointing how the sequels handled those characters especially if you read the EU. In the EU, Han never went back to his smuggler ways, had an impeccable military career, later became an ambassador for the new republic, Leia became a Jedi knight, came to terms with her heritage, even became the chancellor of the new republic for a time, she and Han stayed married and had three kids that would all become Jedi knights. And Luke… where to begin? He successfully reformed the Jedi Order despite numerous trials and errors he never gave up, he even changed many things about the order like allowing attachments and lives outside the order, having his students train at their own pace to connect with their own force which enabled them to be more powerful than the Jedi of old, Luke got married and had a son, even essentially achieved the power potential of the chosen one!
You probably missed all the criticism TFA got at launch for being derivative of a New Hope then. Believe it or not hardcore fans want original stories that expand the universe, not fan-pandering dressing.
@@iminumst7827 I think Harrison Ford got near-universal praise for his role in episode 7, though. There were lots of reasons why his usage in the film was just the right amount of fanservice without overshadowing the new cast.
The storm trooper that Rey uses the Jedi mind trick on to get out of prison is Daniel Craig lol a lot of actors did uncredited roles bc they wanted to be in the franchise as fans
What hurt about ep. 8 was the fact that Mark H. tried to warn the fans about how they were gonna trash Luke.We just didn't listen until it was too late
Palpatine coming back is actually explained literally a few seconds later in the movie. Dude says “Dark science. Cloning. Secrets only the Sith knew.” The Palpatine we see in Rise of Skywalker is a clone. The original Palpatine sent his consciousness into that clone after Vader threw him over the edge inside the Death Star. Sith alchemy has always been a thing, even in the old Expanded Universe (in fact, Palpatine having clones is literally FROM the expanded universe) Also I believe Rey’s father is a Palpatine clone that escaped from the fate of receiving Palps’ essence and lived his own life.
Snoke wasn't important or interesting. Rey and Kylo were. Rian was getting rid of the dead weight Abrams left him. It was ballsy as hell and one of the best moments in the franchise, shame they effectively retconned it in 9.
I love these guys. They aren’t angry nerds who nitpick every little detail. They aren’t constantly overthinking everything. They’re just people who like movies and shows while still critiquing the media and having fun.
One thing that didn't make sense to me was them naming Kylo Ben, Ben wasn't even Obi Wan's real name, and when this movie came out Leia had never even met him, and Han only knew him for a few hours. Seems weird to name there kid after a guy they barely knew and not even use his real name.
I can get behind not liking how a movie is written, directed, produced etc. (I certainly didnt like em lol) But to hurl death threats at actors and harassing them for doing their jobs is just downright gross and I don’t blame ppl for looking down at Star Wars fans for it
Sean's reaction was hilarious when Rose said "saving what we love" after literally ramming the guy that was trying to save what he loved. To me Ep VIII has a ton of issues. So many lost opportunities, character development that go nowhere. Characters that are basically introduced just to die at the end of the movie (with zero character development beyond basic "subvert expectations". When Holdo died I was like "ok cool", were we supposed to be sad she's gone? We met her like an half an hour ago). They could've done so much with Finn's character. They could've done so much with Luke's character. They could've really twisted it by making Rey go to the dark side and Ben redeem himself. Instead they continued with the basic playbook Rey: goody two-shoes. Ben: Evil shouting villain. And if they really wanted to twist it all, why not make Luke go bad? (by him wanting to end all Jedi and Sith by calling all the shots, making Rey and Ben have to fight him). Just because Luke was good in the past, doesn't mean he can't change. Ep IX was hilarious the quantity of times they didn't commit to anything. Oh no Chewie died, nope, nevermind. Oh no C3PO will lose his memory to save his friends, nope, nevermind, R2-D2 has his data backed up. Oh no Ben died, oh, nope, nevermid. Oh no, Rey died, nope, Ben gives him life force, nevermind. So basically whatever they showed having consequences or emotional weight, gets deleted 10 minutes later. Plus the whole "Palpatine's back" and Rey being the Granddaughter was very unoriginal... And the ending is basically the ending of The Return of Jedi (big fleet battle and Palpatine yapping the exact same plan).
“Finn must play a bigger part in the next movie.” Lol I wish he did.
Me "who's Finn?"😂
If only 😢
He did have a big potential but they just said: "You know what, let's throw him aside and let Rey have more screentime." like wtf are they doing?!
We all did.
When i saw Finn wield a light saber I wanted to see a Storm Trooper who wasn't noticed as force sensitive to become a Jedi that would be so cool and Rey could be an equal to Finn but instead John Boyega was forced to be a side character to Rey and then Disney saw the love from the fans towards John Boyega that they wanted to say Finn feels the force in the final movie they should've introduced that Finn was force sensitive near the end of the first movie
Them calling BB8 a war criminal makes me excited for them to meet Chopper
Oh Christ, they're gonna love him lol
@@LtColonelMoodydont use Gods/Christs name in vain
@@Welovetheskyfatherbootlicker
I could be wrong about this, but I believe John Boyega’s issue wasn’t with fans, but more so the way he was treated by the franchise/Disney. It’s a shame cause he was a great character and could’ve had a much better character arc
Yeah, he's a hardcore EU fan and was trying to voice his opinions during and after Force Awakens, and the more he spoke, the more he felt ostracized by the higher-ups.
he didnt want the ever going on stuff, see ''you arent gonna disney + me''
There were apparently some assholes on the film crew who treated him poorly too.
Yeah Trevorrow’s script had a big plan for Finn to take charge then Trevorrow got fired
Pretty much all the actors were pissed at Disney for being handed such lame roles. Oscar Issac, Mark Hamill, etc. Imagine being put into a starring role into the biggest movie franchise of all time, and then being handed one of the most disappointing scripts of all time. Half of Finn's lines were probably REEYYYYY
1:43:42 “Finn must play a bigger part in the next movie”. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH 😂😂😂
2:46:56 “leave it open for future stuff”
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"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
@@MitchisaTurtle I swear, Finn should’ve been the Jedi protagonist of the sequel trilogy! I mean come on, a stormtrooper turned Jedi knight is such a better story than another kid from a desert planet
@@matthewbee128 Honestly, I wouldn't have even minded if both of them becoming jedi. IK in Last Jedi, they were teasing Kylo offering Rey the chance to leave the jedi and sith and start a new thing, but they quickly scrapped that. It'd be cool if they become grey/neutral jedi, Finn is your more noble jedi, and maybe he has to help Rey and Kylo come to term with their true self. Idk, the sequel trilogy DID have a l9ot of neat ideas dug in there, but they really couldn't execute on many of them.
@@matthewbee128 Originaly they wanted to but they SCRAPPED that idea to the trash.
@@matthewbee128 Or at the very least not reduce his role to point he was barely in the movies.
“what was the biggest time gap between movies?” probably the 40-year canon time gap from 6 and 7
And prior to that, the 10-year time gap from 1 to 2 (just look at Anakin).
@@Metalton95 actually the twenty year gap between 3 and 4 (if we're only counting saga movies)
30 years between 6 and 7, 19 between 3 and 4.
I think they mean within the trilogies themself. So that answer would be between The Phantom Menace & Attack of the Clones being a 10 year gap, & the shortest gap of course being Force Awakens & Last Jedi literally seconds apart.
@@cinemagoosetheir all Skywalker Saga.
"saving what we love -kiss-"
"also we should stay friends and never interact again"
Rose wasn’t in Rise of Skywalker as much due to the fans hatting her which was just awful.
@@CoolIguess5Unironically the Jar Jar of the sequel trilogy
@@Mrryn True unironically.
@@Mrryn Dont you dare compare Jar Jar to Rose. Jar Jar has his problems, but not that bad
"saving what we love"
*the sounds of what they love getting destroyed in the background*
... great writing
If instead of Rey Skywalker she said "Just Rey" that would've been WAY better than any last name, cause in the end she is herself, not whatever last name we've been trying to figure out through the trilogy. IMO anyway
I get what they were going for. She chose the name Skywalker because that's her actual "family". The people that accepted her.
Mud is thicker than blood and everything.
But your idea would be so much better because at the end of the day, it doesnt matter whose descendant she is
She is Rey
@@cxthednalien Considering she connected with Han and technically Leia and him got married making her a Solo, then there is her force bond with Ben Solo so wouldn't using the last name Solo make the most sense? She didn't have a good relationship with Luke so she doesn't really have a close connection to the Skywalker name.
@@cxthednalien That would work if Luke and Rey didn't hate each other pretty much just up until Luke's death. Also Leia while technically a Skywalker went as Organa most of her life, so if the intention was for her last name to represent her relationship with her, then it's just confusing because most people don't know Leia as Leia Skywalker.
It would’ve been fine if it was built up better.
I think it came down to her continuing the jedi legacy, which would fall more to Skywalker. She was basically making Skywalker synonymous with jedi.
Fun fact: The Dead Speak refers to a galaxy wide announcement Palpatine made that shocked everyone. Out of fiction, the broadcast was played inside Fortnite, of all places.
Fortnite is in a category of its own. They got celebrities doing virtual concerts and stuff.
@@AkimboJV I mean, hell, they literally destroyed the Fortnite "universe" with a Big Bang event that shut it down for a few days. Masters of advertising
I love me some Fortnite but that shit was dumb
I will never forget this because my son got me to watch that event live with him and I was like "aw nice they got Ian McDiarmid to record something for it" lol IF I ONLY KNEW
John Boyega's (Finn) problem wasnt with the fans, it was with the studio. His character WAS supposèd to be a firce user and have a much bigger role. But they ended up changing it all and sidelining him.
He also had problems with fans, namely in 2014 after the trailer was released.
They made him from a Stormtrooper to a fucking Janitor loser.👍🏼 Of course John Boyega hates Disney now. I would too.
@@Lithosagymfan173not hard to have a problem with the Star Wars fan base. 90% of them act like rabid animals whenever they don’t get their way.
I love that these guys are so endlessly positive about so much they watch but this trilogy still manages to make them question it a couple of times
Yeah, which says a lot. It's not even like the prequels where they're like "nah, I don't get it, those were awesome 🤷" - they're like "uhhh....okay, let's talk about some things...."
If you have played Jedi : Fallen Order you may be interested to know Starkiller base is actually lIlum, it was a snow-covered planet where you went to get your Kyber crystal. The Galactic Empire occupied Ilum and began excavating it for its vast supply of kyber crystals, which were to be used in the construction of the first and second Death Stars. The over-mining of the planet caused its core, and later a massive Imperial Trench, to open up along Ilum's equator.
If you think BB-8 is the best War criminal, i hope you check out Rebels eventually with Chopper, arguably the most pychotic droid in star wars
Arguably? It's not even close.
Chopper is a psychopath, even Palpatine, Vitiate and Nihilus can't hold a candle to him.
Chopper? What about Chopper's C3PO type partner?
If you include legends HK-47 is the most psychotic droid in Star Wars.
@@javthrower26
Silly meatbag Hk47 isn't psychotic he just enjoys his job
Fun fact: the cross-guard on Kylo Ren's saber are actually vents. He uses a broken kyber crystal that produces an unstable and powerful blade.
evidence: comic rise of reylo ren
And it broke while he was bleeding it (turning it red) because he was so conflicted in the force and had to try super hard to do it.
@@rogeliorocha7221 I thought it was because he stole the other half of Vader's Kyber Crystal from Luke's Necklace?
JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson did cool stuff but they could not exist in the same project. And if that wasn't clear, I give you the third movie.
Ironic she Burys Anakin's Saber in sand.....when he hates sand LOL
To be fair she buried Luke's lightsaber as far as she knows
@daurydavis3983 still was a horrible writing decision and shows the writers didn't understand that basic fact about Anakin yet thinks they can call Rey a Skywalker with that limited knowledge, but don't forget Anakin destroyed the death star 😂
@@oneautumnleaf2622 oh you're another one of those crybaby karens
@@oneautumnleaf2622the only person who anakin told that too was padme… who else would know that?
@Roach_Dogg_JR I would think it would be a widely known fact considering he was a slave there his his mother died on that planet it wouldn't take a genius to surmise that he doesn't like Sandy planets
No one talks about the fact that rey learned force healing from a book, the only reason anakin turned to the darkside was to learn that to save padme
To be fair the jedi of the republic didn't know about that book. Luke had to find it himself. Obi wan and yoda certainly didn't give them to him.
No one talks about it for the same reason they don't talk about most of this stuff...
Hated It
@taylrthegreat so luke can find such a book alone and anakin HAD to learn it from palpatine? He didnt question it at all?
Too be fair, the only reason he joined the dark was because of his dream. In order to avoid its outcome, he inevitably put himself on that path
@@perukuk6039 luke spent 30 years going around to abandoned jedi temples finding jedi relics, anakin was impatient which brought him to the dark side
Spices in the Star Wars universe is a slang for drugs. Theres lots of drugs out there like Muon Gold and stuff.
"You wanna buy some Death Sticks?"
*waves hand* "You don't want to sell me Death Sticks..."
"I don't wanna sell you Death Sticks..."
"You want to go home, and rethink your life..."
"Somehow Palpatine has returned" instantly etched itself into film history as one of the dumbest lines ever.
Really? I can name like 3 lines in the Prequel Trilogy that are dumbed, hell, I can name 1 line in this very movie that is dumber.
I still don't understand people crying about that. What did you expect Poe to say there, "Thanks to the dark force powers in the form of cloning that he learned from ancient sith lord Plageus, Palpatine has just announced his return from the dead in the form of a spirit possessing a cloned body"? Tf are you all on?
It's not dumb though
@@a_balloon That's a Straw Man argument. The line is dumb because it's an admission that "somehow" is a better explanation than any explanation at all. The film gestures at things like cloning and dark Sith powers but doesn't elaborate on either. If bringing back Palpatine requires too convoluted an explanation to keep the audience engaged, then he shouldn't be brought back. They still had two villains in Kylo and Hux that they could have written to be serious threats, or they could've wrote in a different mastermind behind Snoke.
@@daurydavis3983 It's dumb because it's a lazy excuse for using a lazy final villain.
We need the rest of the Clone Wars reactions desperately
@piperskalka3909 It performed under their channel average, so they will be releasing occasional season long binges instead of watching it on TH-cam weekly. It will be here on Patreon every Tuesday though. They are watching the entire series still, it'll just take a little longer to reach TH-cam.
@mimic1984 Makes sense. The season vids are always amazing
Three things i wished this trilogy did.
1. Proving Finn is force sensitive from the very beginning. Force Awakens there really was hints that Finn was force sensitive, even giving him mini battles with the lightsaber.
2. Anakin's force ghost appearing to Kylo Ren when Kylo makes a final decision turning back to the light.
3. Rise of Skywalker, maybe should have been Ben rising from the darkness, hence the name of the movie, and lives on despite all the bad stuff he done. He already rose from the darkness but i didn't like the idea of him dying off. But Leia waiting for Ben to disappear so she can go with him, i COMPLETELY didn't notice that when i watched it in theaters. Having Rey and Kylo flip light and dark in the end, Finn becomes a new jedi in training while Rey either deals with turning back to the light or dies embracing the evil within and Kylo moves on to be a hermit or a fighter in the shadows.
Something like that, it doesn't have to be exactly like that. But overall there was still a lot of good things against the bad of the movies.
These guys seriously knows how to find the good within the bad and point out it in a balanced way.
1:29:45 Yeah, she should get a staff saber. That would make sense and expand on her current capabilities, *right DISNEY?!*
No.! We should focus instead on Luke sucking on Spacecow Tits.
The fact that a wookie would let a human use their bowcaster weapon shows how much chewie loved Han
I literally checked back every day waiting for this, hell yeah
I don’t hate these films but I still wish we got something closer to George Lucas’ story outline that Disney discarded when making TFA. It would’ve been about rebuilding the Jedi order, freeing the new republic from corruption and space pirates, an empire that has become nothing but small time terrorists
Just more interesting than redoing the Original trilogy imo
With Star Wars you're kinda damned if you do and damned if you don't. The "fans" would've hated whatever George was planning, just like they did with Empire and Jedi and just like they did with the prequels.
@@Jay-gq1mo sure but i still think i Doing something new would be infinitely better over what the sequels ended up doing imo. They didn’t really add much to Star Wars while the prequels undeniably did
I believe the way it was worded was, if the original trilogy was the Vietnam War, and the prequels were the American civil war/firs world war, then the planned sequel would be the aftermath of the Iraqi war.
We could've had Thrawn in a trilogy
Honestly I do t even hate theTFA story we got but I hate how very clearly JJ had a plan in his head that he didn’t discuss with Rian and then he went and undid all the stuff Rian did in the final movie to play catchup, weird opinion but I LIKE Last Jedi and think they should’ve built off of it-also they should’ve made Finn a confirmed force sensitive who trained with Rey
so the novel the rise of skywalker says that this palpatine is a clone of the original, but unlike the clones contains the soul of the original. Rey is a daughter of a failed clone. They realllllly should of included this bit in the movie.
Luke:
My father (who is a tyranical commander that exterminated the whole jedi order, kill people, aliens and kids for more than 20 years) still have good in him
Also Luke:
My nephew (who had bad dreams) had to be killed
More like
Also Luke:
I failed my nephew (Who has been showing to be dangerously close to falling to the dark side) because I sensed he would've far worse than Vader EVER was and felt immense shame for even considering harming him
2:47:49 He's actually right. Canonically, for some reason, that is actually Lando's daughter
is that confirmed?
The sequel trilogy has a fair amount of good ideas, but the entire thing is just an unfortunate mess that needed to be handled by a single team that had a solid vision. Instead they had no idea what they wanted to do, had 2 different directors with different visions, and they were far too reliant on the old cast while also trying to move on from them.
rian built on the themes and questions presented the same way kershner did with lucas on Empire, it was up to whomever made the third one to continue progressing. Trevarrow was going to, but the studio’s backed out from fear by the rabid fan base, leaving JJ & Terrio to essentially treat IX as a sequel to the force awakens instead
@@The_Real_Mr_Al every character’s arc in TLJ is direct response the plot and progression of TFA. The only thing that was a potential “diversion” was snoke, but JJ gave nothing there other than just being a big bad, so Rian took the opportunity to utilize Snoke as a tool to uplift Kylo, the far more interesting character 😅
Just like the Prequel trilogy.
@@trewhite7903Even John Boyega said Rian Johnson fucked up and J.J tried to fix his mess. But your opinion is more important i guess.
@@trewhite7903everyone involved making these movies were terrible at their job.
"Disney employees" that was a sick burn
It made more sense for Lando to "show up" Poe at the end of the battle, the Falcon has way more surface area to pick up people from the surface of that destroyer, and has and entryway on top for them to get inside on for the rest of the flight.
I saw episode 9 in theatres, and even with all the lights off, I'm pretty I felt nearly everyone in the room raise a collective eyebrow at the Kylo Rey kiss.😅
I'm glad to see this is up again. And I'm glad you didn't listen to everyone saying not to watch and decided to form your own opinion. Y'all are real ones.
up again? you know i kinda remember them reacting to ep 7 before haha
still a mid trilogy
I liked the first movie, I thought it was great. The Rey being stronger than Kylo and needing no training is stupid, but easy to over look. Its the other two movies that were garbage.
@@enrico1pucci "Mid" is giving it too much credit
I agree, I dislike the movies but we should all form our own opinions, it's perfectly fine to like or to dislike.
The "Ugh, shut up bro!" was the perfect response to the Rey Palpatine reveal
-In star wars, spice is the galactic equivalent of like cocaine or crystal meth
-force lightening is in fact a dark side ability.
-Chewie's friends aren't his dogs, it's more like Chewie is the dog to his friends, he just happens to outlive them all, unlike an owner who out lives their dog.
-Chewie's reacting to Leia's death was sadder than Han, Luke or Leia's actual death.
Palpatine used a force power called essence transfer and had his soul transfered into a clone
2:04:59 Funny because that's Anakin's saber lol
Exactly Luke made his Lightsaber in Return of the Jedi, which I still have the original toy since 92
The bullying and harassment Kelly Marie Tran (Rose Tico) received from "fans" for this film is disgusting. Why do people always attack real-world people for just doing their job, playing fictional characters?
Star wars fans. What do you expect from them, respect or something? 😂😂😂
@a_balloon and they wonder why disney can get away with dismissing them with valid reasons.
The bullying and harassment the fans did to almost all of the cast was disgusting, and they get mad when people call them one of the most toxic fandoms
Hate the character, respect the actor. Or sometimes vice versa depending on the situation
@yamahakid450f it wasn't just some, it was quite a bit, I'm sure you didn't see it, but just because you didn't see it does not mean it wasn't there.
I'm not going to lie, it's driving me bonkers how you guys are throwing out predictions and ideas that are accidentally 100% right while making them sound even more stupid than they actually are in the movies.
59:35 "Evil just makes you ugly" These guys have clearly not heard of Darth Talon
Oh, another issue with this trilogy is that it had 2 major 'creative leads'- the guy who was in charge of the first and third movie had a specific vision for where it would go, but they got a different guy in for the second one and he changed SO MUCH- so Episode VII set up a story and character arcs, Episode VIII twisted EVERYTHING by 130 degrees, then Episode IX had to, like, 'course correct' for what happened in the prior episode.
Not really true, JJ Abrams had no vision, he was hired to make 1 movie and bail out, it's just that Rian Johnson's take in Episode VIII was so controversial(The message is "Star Wars is awesome actually!") that Disney brought back JJ to 'finish his vision.'
@@Lithosagymfan173 and Episode IX would've fused the two in a much more conducive way if the original director stayed on, but that clearly didn't happen. That script needed work but it was far more interesting than TroS imo.
Disney's failure to have a plan laid out was one of the biggest issues with the whole thing. But we can't change the past.
@@khrisbreezy3628 No Star Wars Trilogy had a plan, none had(Even the Prequels had mostly just the basics laid down but not much else).
I'd say the problen with Sequel Trilogy is how Episode IX doesn't build on VIII but tries to weirdly retcon it(Again, Disney are cowards).
They all had plans, the main story beats were there. That's why there's a script that gets re-worked a dozen times in almost any movie, let alone series.
The problem, was that they hired on JJ who wanted his main story beat to be that Kylo, unlike Anakin, would only be on a linear path into the Dark side. He would start out at his most good (already still evil, but cobflicted) and progress into being more evil from there. But then Rian came along, said "F-that! Let's make him and Rey lovers, and set up that he'll eventually be Anakin 2.0 and reverse course. And while we're at it, kill off everyone we can". But then oops, Carrie died during filming and it would be in bad taste to kill her now, so we'll CGI her in post, put her in the next one, and kill her off then so it isn't too soon.
Then JJ had to come back and tape and glue the whole mess together again, with Disney embracing Rians vision more and forcing him to finish it off that way, instead of how he wanted and set up.
Long story short, Disney screwed the pooch because that's all they know how to do. I love the characters from the sequels (mostly) but the writing, director(s), and Disney as a whole: failed.
@Lithosagymfan173 I can agree on that, for sure IX let me down more than anything else haha
When Sean said lesbians, I was laughing uncontrollably. 😂
Legit, your reactions explains so well what could have been done different to make these movies better. You guys are able to watch these movies, sense in the Force that something ain't right here, and then puts into words how to make them better. You guys are so good at reacting!
Somehow, Palpatine returned
... and then they proceed to give canon examples of how it could have happened...
Crazy...
I more mind that the man that infiltrated the Republic, became a senator, paved the way to become the supreme Chancellor, change things enough to have the senate give him more and more power all whole also planning and managing a war against the Republic and fighting said war for the Republic, all without being discovered until he wanted to be, just fucjing announced he is back before the movie even started 😂
@@elite_rock_god2292 Well, the time skip is 30 years.
It's not like it happened overnight.
@heavycritic9554 it kinda did tho. Like this dude was able to do ALL OF THAT without ever being discovered until he was ready to show his hand and make the final move, and yet here he just yells out to the galaxy "I'll back bitches!" Before he even does anything. It makes no sense cause it's so out of his character! Bring him back, honestly not my biggest problem with the movie unlike some people's, but just make it make sense, have his plan make sense and have him somewhat in character. Hell if Ben found that "sith finder" or whatever and went to the planet and BOOM! Palpatine is just there without anyone knowing, that would have been way cooler then just everyone knowing he was back before they even found him 😂
Wasn't there EU stuff where Sheve did the exact same thing or something similar?
58:21 biggest time skip in a trilogy was between movie one and two, aniken went from a kid to a older teen.
The thing that pisses me off the most in sequals is the strategies. Nether side makes good choices during battles. That's why I've always described the First Order as a "Toddler with a mini gun". They got the tools, just not the brain power. Though, I will admit, I still had fun watching the sequals
Yeah, it was goofy af when at the start of TLJ the rebels are fleeing and instead of firing at the escape fleet they fire at the stationary base that probably had intel and gear left behind. Like the base isn't going anywhere! Then they do that silly thing of using that really slow bomber ships which for some reason can only drop bombs downwards despite the lack of gravity in space.
Also it was wild when Admiral Holdo didn't tell her Commander what the plan of escape was, resulting in a mutiny. Another completely bogus choice in terms of military strategy.
In the originals even if the Stormies had garbage aim, they at least had logical procedures.
@iminumst7827 EXACTLY! Also, at the TLJ, the stardestroyers should have been in front of the dreadnought, not behind.
@@iminumst7827to be fair, y wings were space bombers as well before the sequels.
@@Roach_Dogg_JR But the Y-Wings used ion cannons and proton missiles, so they logically made much more sense in space combat than the TLJ bombers. They were also faster and more maneuverable.
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And no way in hell would there be any remains of the second death star like at all we saw it explode and the way it did there would be nothing left
Honestly, I wish Luke Skywalker was my Jedi Master.
The issue with Finn is that his plan to destroy the drill wasn’t going to work. Even if he broke that one, the First Order had more. His sacrifice wasn’t worth anything in that moment.
he would have bought them more time. also the way she stopped him could have killed them both anyway ( frankly they should have been gunned down during their retreat on foot if the movie made any sense) overall it was poorly thought out no matter how you look at it.
Also how did she somehow get more speed then him to save him they all turned around no one was close enough to catch up and then come and hit him from side on at that point
@@michaelireland5505 also convenient that all the bad guys stopped shooting them for literally no reason even thought they're right in fucking front of them on an empty white field with 0 cover. tlj feels like a naked gun movie in terms of logic,
Also how did they make it back to the bunker to escape out the back that's alot of ground to cover
My favorite part about that scene is that he's shipless deep into enemy lines and it cuts, then it cuts back and somehow he dragged Rose's unconscious body like a mile back into base. Probably the worst continuity error in the franchise's history.
1:45:00 “You think what? I’m gonna walk out with a laser sword and face down the whole First Order?”
"Palpatine has returned somehow" and that was our only explanation on how palpatine came back
Missed chance to call it "Star Wars: Emperor's New Groove"
The explanation is that he's a clone, the movie outright shows us a tube filled with Snoke clones suggesting that they're all clones of Palpy who cloned himself(Or that quote:" The Dark Side leads to infinite possibilities.")
@@Lithosagymfan173And hoe did his dumbass survive the fall into the nuclear reactor and the exxplosion on top of it.?
@@Lithosagymfan173except that wouldn’t make sense. Why would the clone look undead?
@@DylVan-k8y Why not? The technology might have not cloned fully, it cloned in a weaker state(We see the guy become fuller once his force is back), an imperfect clone, there are tons of media where the clone isn't a 1:1 copy.
Kaine in Spider-Man, Bizarro to Superman, and even Star Wars itself has it with a female clone of Jango Fett.
I like Rey's lightsaber at the end. There's something kind of steampunk about it.
I squealed in theaters cause the yellow blade was my hopeful headcanon ahead of IX's releasse and it felt GOOD to be "right" lol
And we only got three seconds of it.
With the trailer for the force aweken, i fell that they sold me that finn would have been the jedi of the trilogy, but no, it was rey, just rey.
2:30:15 To be fair. The writing for leia’s death was more so because carrie fisher died during the post production of the film. Which is why her death scene is also so dark because they needed to do cgi for it since she pasted away. The added death scene is the characters send off since we won’t ever have her again.
Yes they did deep fake of her for rogue one but that clearly just doesn’t hold up to the actual actress.
Literally disney assasinated fifty years of Fandom and people drooled over it
This Fandom deserved every last second of it
1:04:46: The moment most fans hated this film.
I feel like I'm one of the few people who doesn't think it was weird that Kylo and Rey kissed at the end xD those two had been so connected through the force that they saw each other through GALAXIES. I don't think it was love, merely a moment of connection, and relief in the force as it was over.
I chuckled when they compared Rey catching on to the Force quick like Anakin because Anakin is literally Force Jesus😂😂😂
This is my personal opinion, these are my main issues with the sequels
Episode 7: (My favorite of the 3) Similar plot arc of episode 4 but just with a bigger death star and Rey just had great force skill out of nowhere where Luke had a 3 movie training arc to get where he was. Also where did they get Anakin's/Luke's lightsaber if it dropped into the middle of the planet in episode 5?
Episode 8: I'm frustrated by Luke's off screen character development. It doesnt make his character relatable or as impactful since we saw straight to the end result instead of how he got to be a hermit. Also forcing some scenes like the kiss i agree with you guys on.
Episode 9: Dont reveal Palpatine was back in the intro credits! It should have been an audience discovery along with Kylo's character finding him. Also i think a more fitting ending would have been Rey dying, completing her destiny and Kylo being alive to have a redemption journey, learning about his family history more like how Darth Vader turned to the good side in the end, hence making the title fit better. The Rise of Skywalker.
Also side note, the whole of the sequels felt like the OG Trilogy but out of order with some story beats. Ex: Han felt like Obi-Wan from episode 4, Luke felt like Yoda from episode 6 and Kylo having similar story beats to Darth Vader.
Palpatine wasn’t revealed in the Rise of Skywalker credits. He was actually revealed in a Fortnite live event but the point still stands.
Just because they use "Starkiller Base" rather than "Mega Maid" to suck the life out of a sun, doesn't mean that Spaceballs didn't do it first.
The stormtrooper who Rey mind tricks to escape is played by Daniel Craig.
SoUncivilized has a video essay about the sequel trilogy, and I personally think it sums up their issues very well without being one of those people who are just hating cause it's trendy, or being unnecessarily mean.
Agreed
There is plenty of valid criticism to be discussed civilly on the sequels even the prequels. Even just the base reactions e.g when I saw last Jedi in the cinema and Leia flies back to the ship.....that had everyone laughing (myself too) I mean....thats not the reaction we are supposed to have and sums up alot of Sequel moments.
@jimwatson1013 yes how dare there be comedy in my star wars I want everything dark and gritty how do yall function being emo all the time
@@luracroftzs2374 Imagine still judging people for explaining why they like or dislike a movie.
@@1.-ulysses334 imagine being a no fun allowed in my movies person who wants everyone to suffer because they have no emotions 🙃
This was unexpected since you guys only uploaded episode 7
I'm pretty sure finn or poe's actor (or both) said they thought the end goal was to make them a romantic couple, and were shocked when disney said "no that was never the plan". They were like "those scenes you gave us.... they weren't romantic??"
I haven't seen this yet but i wonder how they'll react to Palpatine's return!
Honestly I liked it, it wasn't far fetched for me. It did need some foreshadowing but considering it was a reactionary story decision from Disney, I didn't hate it
@@Jay-gq1mo Why?
@@Jay-gq1modo you also enjoy the Fast and Furious movies? What about the 2nd Joker movie? Maybe Terminator 3 while we’re at it?
@@MrSpartan993 Terminator dark fate is more comparable parallel to Rise of Skywalker
I love how EVERY serie made after 7 8 and 9 made a point to explain palp's return
11:30 imagine you know of vader and the emperor, they are the thing you are most afraid. Someday you hear about some dude named Luke that went in a room with vader and the emperor, AND GOT IT OUT leaving the 2 dead. Bro must be in ALL nightmares
Lol Palpatine wasn't the only one to use Force lightning. Count Dooku also used it among a few other Sith and some Jedi have been known to use it.
Finn wouldn't have stopped that cannon, it melted iron several meters away. He would have died stopping nothing, other than his life.
Rose kissing Finn makes since because she went from a fangirl using Finn as emotional surrogate for her dead sister, she is the reason that he had an arc to become the hero that she was told he was, and she probably thought that that was her last moment alive.
In the case with force it is not like that that you need the dark and the light side for balance, because the light side ressembles balance while the dark side is chaos and destruction of everything. Sidious wasn't considered a real Sith by the ancient Sith Lords as he only wanted to dominate the dark side instead of following it's will.
I just realized how True that was Darth Vader aside from Palpatine was the most fearful and powerful Sith and was given the order “enough release him” but nobody was man enough to say the same thing to Kylo! God damnit Disney.
dude it’s so funny how Anakin created his lightsaber then it went through his training with obi wan after the dooku fight then the clone wars, order 66, Mustafar, it being used to literally fight Anakin/vader twice then falling down a shaft to then be put in fins hands😂. (Who even knows what happened to it b4 it got to her palace)
The biggest issue was not that those films were horrible on itself but more that they just don't work together. 8 completely resets Finns character and Roses character feels forced. I think Ryan had good ideas but completely disregarded JJ's ideas. Either way a bad coordinated trilogy doesn't justify the hate the actors and especially the actresses got.
Not trying to be a hater or anything but I legitimately chuckled when she said "Rey Skywalker" XD. It must be the dang memes geting to me 😂😂.
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I was not aware Rey was the first one to stop a ship mid-flight. First time I saw it was when Vader did it, but with that it was just, yeah, he's fucking Darth Vader. Of course he's immensely powerful with the force, his suit is even designed to constantly hurt him so that he's stronger with the dark side.
I mean, we had Starkiller bringing Star Destroyers out of the sky with the force
@@n30dark What was he in? I've only seen the prequel and original triology, and some of Ahsoka and Obi Wan.
@@SpookySquid14 The Force Awakens video games. Which are unfortunately not canon to the Disneyverse. Sam Witwer who voices lots of stuff for Star Wars as Starkiller tearing up stuff in the 360/PS3/Wii generation.
I cried when they said Ackbar was dead.
Captain Phasma is the actress from GofT. The alien that was trying to buy BB 8 IS Simon Pegg
2:24:00 it’s a Jango Fett-Boba Fett case. Palpatine died in Return of the Jedi and was brought back via cloning and dark science.
In one of the various cloning experiments to try to make a new body for him, Rey's father was created.
and where in the movie was that said?🤣
@ a LOT of information is not told in the movies, that’s what the shows, books and comics are for.
"I saw him flying it but I'm just saying. There were a lot of empty seats at the back of the Millennium Falcon."
LMFAOO THIS ONE TOOK ME TF OUT 🤣🤣🤣
7 was pretty good, but they struck out when they decided to not keep the same director for all 3 movies
I'm just going to go ahead and admit i never watched 8 or 9 and just watch it in clips with you guys
One little problem I have with some of the new Disney stuff is it breaks some of the Star Wars science/logic. Specifically jumping to light speed from inside a gravity well. This is why interdictor star destroyers are a thing. They create artificial gravity wells to rip ships out of light speed and prevents them from jumping. You might think this is a Legends only thing and not part of Disney canon; however, they appear in the Rebels TV show and work exactly the same way. This means that the light speed skipping shouldn't work since he was jumping from inside gravity wells during it.
Rogue One has this problem too, but I still love that movie.
She didn't "get" that new saber. She built it, like a traditional Jedi would.
These are probably the only people I've seen that said that some of their problems were the old cast being here.
You're following different people than I am, then. At least 90% of the problems fans have with the sequels--especially with "The Last Jedi--are with how they used the legacy characters.
@@colinvandenberg3446 it’s really disappointing how the sequels handled those characters especially if you read the EU. In the EU, Han never went back to his smuggler ways, had an impeccable military career, later became an ambassador for the new republic, Leia became a Jedi knight, came to terms with her heritage, even became the chancellor of the new republic for a time, she and Han stayed married and had three kids that would all become Jedi knights. And Luke… where to begin? He successfully reformed the Jedi Order despite numerous trials and errors he never gave up, he even changed many things about the order like allowing attachments and lives outside the order, having his students train at their own pace to connect with their own force which enabled them to be more powerful than the Jedi of old, Luke got married and had a son, even essentially achieved the power potential of the chosen one!
You probably missed all the criticism TFA got at launch for being derivative of a New Hope then. Believe it or not hardcore fans want original stories that expand the universe, not fan-pandering dressing.
@@iminumst7827 I think Harrison Ford got near-universal praise for his role in episode 7, though. There were lots of reasons why his usage in the film was just the right amount of fanservice without overshadowing the new cast.
@@matthewbee128 (sigh) I miss the old EU so much.
The storm trooper that Rey uses the Jedi mind trick on to get out of prison is Daniel Craig lol a lot of actors did uncredited roles bc they wanted to be in the franchise as fans
What hurt about ep. 8 was the fact that Mark H. tried to warn the fans about how they were gonna trash Luke.We just didn't listen until it was too late
Luke shouldn’t have shown up at all in my opinion.
Warhammer wins the lore war 100% of the time Warhammer has 60+ books on a single event
2:23:22 “If I had a bullet with two guns”
Hmmm yes
Hey when you say 100,000 words a day, sometimes they’re going to be in the wrong order
there was a big clue on why Luke was´t there, he din´t levee any marks on the ground
Yes!!! I’ve been waiting!!!!!!
The real reason Luke tossed his lightsaber hilt was because it didn't come with a neopixel blade.
My condolences
Palpatine coming back is actually explained literally a few seconds later in the movie. Dude says “Dark science. Cloning. Secrets only the Sith knew.”
The Palpatine we see in Rise of Skywalker is a clone. The original Palpatine sent his consciousness into that clone after Vader threw him over the edge inside the Death Star. Sith alchemy has always been a thing, even in the old Expanded Universe (in fact, Palpatine having clones is literally FROM the expanded universe)
Also I believe Rey’s father is a Palpatine clone that escaped from the fate of receiving Palps’ essence and lived his own life.
The whole subplot for Finn and Rose was so bad. Also killing off Snoke was a waste, we didn't even get to know more about him.
We technically did in rise of skywalker. Which was still ridiculous and lazy in that one too
People didn’t care about Palpatine’s backstory until the prequels. The Mandalorian shows are getting to all the Snoke stuff.
Hmm, same applies to Yoda, no?
What's the difference, or is that a bone of contention too?
Snoke wasn't important or interesting. Rey and Kylo were. Rian was getting rid of the dead weight Abrams left him. It was ballsy as hell and one of the best moments in the franchise, shame they effectively retconned it in 9.
Been looking forward to y’all reacting to these three movies for a long time. Thank you guys ❤️❤️ made me day!
I love these guys. They aren’t angry nerds who nitpick every little detail. They aren’t constantly overthinking everything. They’re just people who like movies and shows while still critiquing the media and having fun.
My kind of people
How come you didn’t upload more clone wars instead of the Disney sequal triology?
@@ncard00 because shocking not everyone hates the sequel trilogy
@@luracroftzs2374 "Only 95% of fans, not 100%. Duh."
@JenkemWatchman speak English or is that to hard for your emo angry brain to do
One thing that didn't make sense to me was them naming Kylo Ben, Ben wasn't even Obi Wan's real name, and when this movie came out Leia had never even met him, and Han only knew him for a few hours. Seems weird to name there kid after a guy they barely knew and not even use his real name.
I can get behind not liking how a movie is written, directed, produced etc. (I certainly didnt like em lol) But to hurl death threats at actors and harassing them for doing their jobs is just downright gross and I don’t blame ppl for looking down at Star Wars fans for it
Sean's reaction was hilarious when Rose said "saving what we love" after literally ramming the guy that was trying to save what he loved.
To me Ep VIII has a ton of issues. So many lost opportunities, character development that go nowhere. Characters that are basically introduced just to die at the end of the movie (with zero character development beyond basic "subvert expectations". When Holdo died I was like "ok cool", were we supposed to be sad she's gone? We met her like an half an hour ago).
They could've done so much with Finn's character. They could've done so much with Luke's character. They could've really twisted it by making Rey go to the dark side and Ben redeem himself. Instead they continued with the basic playbook Rey: goody two-shoes. Ben: Evil shouting villain. And if they really wanted to twist it all, why not make Luke go bad? (by him wanting to end all Jedi and Sith by calling all the shots, making Rey and Ben have to fight him). Just because Luke was good in the past, doesn't mean he can't change.
Ep IX was hilarious the quantity of times they didn't commit to anything. Oh no Chewie died, nope, nevermind. Oh no C3PO will lose his memory to save his friends, nope, nevermind, R2-D2 has his data backed up. Oh no Ben died, oh, nope, nevermid. Oh no, Rey died, nope, Ben gives him life force, nevermind. So basically whatever they showed having consequences or emotional weight, gets deleted 10 minutes later.
Plus the whole "Palpatine's back" and Rey being the Granddaughter was very unoriginal... And the ending is basically the ending of The Return of Jedi (big fleet battle and Palpatine yapping the exact same plan).