In Spain it's the same. Old people everywhere. It's rare to see a couple with children. The only children I see, funnily enough, are mostly migrants. Southern Europeans spend their 20s and 30s wasting their time and living in their parents home without any drive to achieve anything or start a family and this naturally leads to them not reproducing. Although, earning 1200 (after taxes its more like 950) euros a month on average when rent has now reached 800-1000 euros doesn't help either.
Bro ci lamentiamo, ma siamo noi stessi che ci siamo messi in sta situazione non facendo figli anche quando si poteva, e ora ne raccogliamo le conseguenze. Speriamo che gli italiani tornino a fare figli oppure soccomberemo.
A few decades ago Italians had so many children that they supplied highly skilled immigrants all over western Europe and North America. Now Italians are barely having kids and their population is shrinking in their own country. Italians are my favourite Euopeans so I feel really sad seeing this
Insane how things changed for Italy in less than 150 years. Most of the immigrants were from Southern Italy which was very poor, nothing much has changed there, they no longer have a high fertility rate though.
@@effexonNot really as I live in a state where it is pretty much infamous for it's Italians and they are either marrying into other ethnic groups or outright not having children
Italy is making citizenship by blood extremely easy. Hundreds of thousands of descendents of italian migrants in Latin America are getting it and moving to Italy. I'm a half-italian brazilian and I have an italian citizenship... If I weren't well-off and didn't have a stable income (which I do, Brazil is a good and affordable place to live rn) I'd probably move to Europe. I predict millions of Argentinians moving back to Italy, as Milei's government is crashing their economy and social services
@@traumvonhaiti Russians should thank Put_in, Stalin, for that, yes bolshevik revolution, red vs white wars, ww2, tsarist repression, Russians never had a break
It's worth noting that it's extremely easy to immigrate to Spain from Latin American countries. The requirements for becoming a citizen, if you are specifically from Latin America, are almost cartoonishly low. Spain is trying to halt its demographic crisis through the use of its former colonies.
@@Eltipoquevisteayer Spain: "Quickly, mods, get the rest of the channel in here!" Cuba: "What exactly is going on?" Spain: "No time to explain, just cut the channel now!"
Most of them have it very easy because they are descendants of spanish citizens who were exiled during the dictatorship, especially for those coming from Argentina and Venezuela.
It's funny you pointed that. When my family and I went to El Salvador, i easily got through the airport line because my Dad is Salvadorean, but since my mom is Mexican, it took longer for her to get her info verified.
Yeah my Peruvian cousin has a Spanish girlfriend and they're currently having talks over who will move to where they live due to immigration being relatively lax in both countries
@@GansHanders not tooo much for the USA honestly, like the US is mostly the brain drain, the quite educated and experienced who can get very high paying jobs in the US and are pretty much garanteed to succeed. Many i saw goes to Canada or Germany or hell, anywhere near that has better living conditions
I think the main problem with the Greek population pyramid is that hundreds of thousands of young, university educated Greeks, were incentivised to move abroad, in the richer countries of the European Union, to avoid the debt. The fact that avoiding the burden of the debt was as simple as moving abroad, and moving and working abroad was free and easy within the EU, was a catastrophe for both the economy and the demography of Greece. Around 500.000 young people, a significant part of the age cohort in child-bearing age, simply moved abroad, and without their contribution, the population of Greece is collapsing
500.000 natives, in child bearing age (most have children abroad) with ok education. These people are irreplaceable for a country, it's the life blood.
@@jimmyking92 Yeah, especially for a country of just 10M people. These were around a fourth of the entire country's child-bearing age population. And we never got refunded by the EU for this. The EU has simply destroyed us.
So? Iceland has 0.3 million inhabitants, but it is wealthier than Germany which has 84 million people. So my suspicion is that Greece could have 0.3 million people (so only 300k), but be much wealthier in 2050, than it is now.
“Baby wake up, your favourite Czech is finally talking about our race be extinct due our salaries together be less than 2.5k euros per month in a city that the rent is 1400 euros for one bedroom studio.”
My cousin emigrated to spain from Chile, the thing is the culture, languaje, and religion is basically the same, so the rejection of migrants is targeted mostly to those of african and muslim background
@@pridefulobserver3807 Most Latin Americans who migrate to Portugal or Spain are not only white but also have Spanish/Portuguese ancestry. As a Brazilian, I know only middle-class white individuals who have emigrated to Portugal, and no black/brown individuals. White flight is also affecting our demographics. In 1940, white Brazilians made up 60% of the population, but now they are barely 40%.
@@tiagomd3811 that's sad. I guess it is gonna get even worse in Latin America. Btw, do Brazilians have race issues like US? Like do they worry that now white people are becoming minority and us vs them mentality?
@@tiagomd3811 That’s so depressing because that same statistic change is happening in the United States. Non Hispanic Whites are around 60% and falling drastically.
in italy explanation is simple: salaries are decreasing since 30 years. Immigration is economically supported by the state. Pensions are still high because linked to salaries from a bygone era. Young people cannot afford a family
In Spain it's the exact same. And I'm not sure if this happens also in Italy, but qualified workers have almost the same salaries as non qualified ones. Most salaries in Spain range from 18k-21k independently of the sector, I kid you not, a cashier earns the same salary as a welder or an accountant
IMO, it's banning child labor is like banning mothers from utilizing daycares that pay her (factories) and preventing her from maximizing her personal income by "making new workers." Banning child laber cuts off would be stay at home mothers from being able to have their own household income, forcing them to ether rely on a single husbands income, and or seek her own job etherway nether option is adequate to support having any children. let alone a big family.
I'm Italian and i don't like living here Italy is (currently) the poster boy for "Great place to visit no so much to live in" I will start with saying that there are positive thing in Italy : Great food, a lot of historic places,nice weather , beautiful landscape and so on ,which is the reason why so many tourists come here. However, if you are a "young" person (18-35) from a working class background your future is not going to be really promising. Finding a job is hard and if "you don't know anyone" you have to send a countless number of resumes every day often for months . If you're lucky you can get from time to time a few job interviews that 90% of the time don't lead to anything. Finally you find a job but it's only for 3-6 months and then you have to start the job hunting all over again. Even if you got a permament contract you are expected to work long hours for peanuts. Italy has one of the lowest salary in Europe and we don't even have a minimum wage. Rents are high (i think just like everywhere in the western world) and without a permanent salary you 'll never have the chance to get a mortgage. I know that there is a stereotype of italians being "momma boys" but the main reason why we don't leave your families to live on your own it's simply because we can't afford it. Our birthrate has hit an all time low every year since 2013 and behind japan ,we are the second oldest country in the world (percentage of people being older than 65) which means that today's workers are going to work more years for a smaller pension. My father recently retired at age of 62 after almost 43 years of working (factory worker) with a pension of around 1600 euros per months. Now the retirement age is 67 (if you don't have enough working years which is around 43 ) and if you are currently working a blue collar job like my father did , i'm quite sure your future retirement money are going to be much less. 99% of the immigrants that arrives in Italy by boats are not interested on coming here but they want (rightfully) to go to Germany or Northern countries where the standard of living are higher. Many retired Italians seem not to care about the future of the country because they don't have to care about money anymore ,while many young ones are dissatisfied and feel like they have no hope to build anything in Italy. They believe the only way to have a decent life is to go abroad. I love my country and i'm fully aware that me being an italian made me luckier than many other people who were born in places destroyed by wars and dictatorships where ,people have no rights and often no food. This is MY life though and i have to be "selfish" and if i know that there is a place where i get a have a better life i want to try to go there.
Why aren't Italian businesses hiring? Is there not enough jobs? Are all the working class jobs being taken up by immigrants or being shipped away to other countries?
I’m from Madrid, and ethnic change here is extremely fast. Just in 20 years, the traditional working class areas of southern Madrid have become majority latin american. Now even small towns in poor regions have a lot of non europeans
@@simeon1234 there’s a big problem in Madrid with Latin gangs like Latin Kings or Dominicans don’t play, just like in US cities with big latino populations. But the worst group in that regard are moroccans for sure. Latinos are the second most overrepresented group in crime statistics in Spain.
@12:27 You can't compare Sweden and Spain without accounting for the skewing effect immigration has on Sweden's birth rate, since its welfare system makes it a popular final destination for migrants.
Yes, sweden is a permanent vacation spot for immigrants, and we swedish men and women get spit on by society while we pay for these useless immigrant’s wage.
Sweden has had immigration since WW" (before that emigration). Compare Sweden with Finland instead... Over time the effect of emigration instead of immigration is HUGE.
@@PMMagro i’m talking about the 2015 invasion, the previous immigrant waves were getting pretty well integrated into society. But this new one is just a catastrophe.
@@Mr.KingenSweden used to import danish and other Europeans into their country like Germans too and French, nowadays they took a huge 360 degree angle and imported entirely different cultures that have no interest in assimilating with them and we all see it play out
Greek here. Population decline is an extremely serious issue my country. According to ELSTAT (the national statistics agency), we have literally DOUBLE the number of deaths than births every year. Even though other countries also struggle with population decline, I believe my country is in a worse spot, mainly for four reasons: Firstly, we are already a very small country, it's less than 11 million of us over here. It is estimated that, if this trend continues, by 2050 there will only be 7.7 million of us left. (Well, at least there is a large Greek diaspora). Secondly, we suffer from a severe case of brain-drain. It is estimated ever since the 2009 crisis started, more than half a million young, educated Greeks left the country and immigrated to countries like Germany, the UK, the US etc for a better life. This trend continues to this day. Third, unlike the aforementioned countries, Greece does not have the ability to attract high quality, educated immigrants to maybe somewhat counterbalance the decline and support the economy. The only immigrants that want to come here are uneducated third-worlders that will either live of welfare and crime or (best case scenario) maybe work in fields or construction. Finally, it has to do with the way our pension system is structured. Every single working Greek pays a mandatory, monthly social security tax/contribution (which is not small), on top of all other taxes, which is used to finance the pensions. Greek pensions are already extremely low, to the point that most people need to support their elderly parents (and not the other way around) and still that system barely works, due to the lack of tax-paying workers and the disproportionately high number of pensioners. It is estimated that there are currently 1,7 workers for every 1 pensioner. Meanwhile, for this system to work smoothly, it requires at least 3-4 workers for every pensioner.
@@helioslegigantosaure6939 If the diaspora returns and makes businesses and children, there might be still hope for southern Europe. But such a selfless act of a huge number of people is unlikely.
I saw a documetary recently where they showed a doctor and he said that the age of first birth is so high and he has many women in their late 30s as patients who seek help, because they want a child and it often does not work anymore
Spain accepts happily immigrants from Europe and latin America. But those from Africa, specially muslim countries are not well received at all and are the ones coming massively now.
I wish the north africans could get their S together in their homeland. Whe are they going to developp their country and ctu europe some slack, they even have oil ad gas.
@@keshi5541 Khadafi tried something but lacked judgement, he went too far, we know the US want complete Hegemony and they will crush everyone else, including Europe with mass immigration. THey will blow up the earth before they accept a multipolar world. Until then , all that's left is some kind of compromise and not play into their puppet show. I don't know what they have in store for the migrants in Europe, but in the end it can't be good.
The pressure to form families and have kids is largely absent in Europe as cultures embraced various individualist ideologies. Having kids makes life expensive and complicated, something that is at odds with individualist goals.
@@einfachignorieren6156 It's industrialization and urbanization that's the issue. Birth rate was largely fine under liberalism before industrialization.
The reason for Italy’s decline, as an Italian, is mainly the toxic meritocracy culture in a system that’s based entirely off of family sponsors. Since a young age you’re told that you need to be at the top to get to choose your own life and career path, that if you’re too average you’ll be overlooked and if you’re mediocre you’ll be ignored and avoided. Then those who manage to survive till high school graduation without being delayed a year and with a score above 70 realize that they have issues finding jobs because there are even more tests they need to take, and this time these tests are specific to job applications, which means you need to study for each and every job you’re applying for in order to have a chance of getting it since you’re competing against thousands of people at times. And let’s say you get to the point in which you are in a good position. What next? 50/50 you don’t get the job anyways because one of the most mediocre applicants’ dad is a friend of the employer and now he’s getting chosen over you because the dad has convinced the employer to hire him. This isn’t only in private settings by the way, but also when trying to do things like enlisting the military or trying to get into the police. That’s the most egregious example too, out of a thousand spots for enlisting as a private about two hundred of the candidates are chosen purely because they were already part of the military or they went in military schools, which are expensive as fuck, so that’s already a wealth disparity of opportunity and unjust treatment. Then let’s say only 800 people make it to the end, some recruiter Officer told me that even if there were more spots than candidates they were going to cut off at least 80 of them anyways because reasons, apparently that’s a thing that even if there is space for you if you aren’t good enough they just don’t want you. This whole competition culture, paired with the stigma of not having a job is just too much for us young people to bear. Imagine having to go through this endless cycle of looking for a job, losing the opportunity to some Richie McDouchebag who’s friends with the job giver then being treated like a loser because you couldn’t get the job by your family and friends. Combine it with how complex love life is and the modern dating space being fucked up and you’re looking at a boring dystopia in which either you’re a 6’4 chad and you get everything or you’re just an undesirable little shit. Hence why Italy’s growth is so stunted nowadays, young people aren’t getting married or have children because they have no time to look for a sweetheart or no money to raise a family. Even if you have a job, they pay you next to nothing so you have to live with roommates or your parents and good luck getting to raise a kid in an already crowded apartment. So yeah, thank you if you read my Doomer posting, it was fun venting my thoughts on how much it sucks that I am going extinct.
And regarding the military, let's not talk about the maximum age limit for enlisting: 24 for troops and 26 for Marescialli (NCOs), the apparently lowest in the whole Europe! I heard there was a law proposition last year to raise it to 30 and 40 (for troops and NCOs respectably) but apparently it's on stand-by... 😓
This looks more like a rant than an actual recounting of the facts. There is no stark "Chad to worthless piece of shit" division. Quality women don't look for someone who is 6+ ft tall, makes a lot of money, and his touch turns things into gold 😂 unless people in Italy are all completely delusional and entitled. I am Greek. There's way too many ugly guys with pretty girlfriends for that to be true.
As an Italian you still have access to an infinite source of pasta, pizza and lasagna just by screaming "tutto" at the mirror three times at 3 AM though
Just to mention that here in Portugal there has been a massive outrage over the immigration policy of the previous Socialist government (they ruled between 2016 - 2024). We suddenly became a massive immigration spot for every 3rd world country without being asked. Ofc politicians and journalists alike quickly justified their actions by mentioning Portugal's declining population, but their real intention is to create a "diverse society" like one minister of the socialist government revealed. So I wouldn't say that we have the same attitude that Spain has in regards to immigration.
@@traumvonhaiti You're not convincing the average people in this country if your solution is to advocate for unregulated migration from some of the poorest and most dangerous countries in the world.
All modern socialists are blind globalists, they cannot see the difference between one people and another, all they see are humans. People can be replaced but the machine remains.
would you avoid french recent mistake and vote against left? coz leftists always favor that, despite they dont grasp at all what that means. Israel has been prosperous 20+ years due to right leaning government after decades of cozying with soviets and idolizing communism(this shows in their fertility albeit there is shades of grey in details too).
It’s not a conspiracy and they aren’t being moved in. It’s literally social trends and economics. Your money and jobs changed so approaches to life and traditions changed. You also love low paid workers so hence sourcing your own peasants from abroad. It’s literally getting labour to keep your lifestyle going, not that people ever appreciate anything the economy does for them unless they fully loose it
I have a small theory: if you take a look to countries filled with immigrants (either good or not) had colonies in Africa and the America's. Like Algerians in France ,France had ruled over Algeria from the early 1800's to the 1970's. So,some of them want revenge on the French for what they did and they are not seeking a better life
As a Mexican this video is deeply depressing. Some of us call Spain “La Madre Patria” or the mother nation, and we have a lot of respect as well as admiration for the Spanish nation and its people. I honestly feel that perhaps more immigration of predominantly Spanish descendants from the Americas could be a short term way to help Spains demographics. I much rather seen Argentinas and Colombians in Spain than Moroccans.
Problem is, Mexico is going the same way, basically all countries, heck even most muslim countires, which is a good things, are dropping below replacment....
Glad to see I'm not the only person of Mexican heritage that thinks this way. So many are brainwashed about the "evils of colonialism ". Say what you will about Columbus, Cortes, Pizarro, Magellan, etc but we simply would not have ever existed without them😅
@@matheenarif8645except the World at large isn’t seeing a resource drain and the third world still have massive birthrates meaning the decline in europe and east Asia is just negated by Africans and Indians
As a spaniard, I'm not staying in Spain for too long. The demographic disaster and the elderly pensions are such a burden, and I refuse to be a wage slave my entire life to pay for their pensions
One day you'll wake up and discover you're old. Time waits for no one. Show some respect, remember those retired now also worked and did their bit. People like you make me sick
@@alexthred2179 If you wanna evade tax you could work without contract or get paid in effective, but your boss could pay you less and if you got no contract he can just exploit you
Those rural areas have equal numbers of over-80s and under-15s because the parents leave the kids with their grandparents in the country while they go off to the cities attempting to find work.
A country with one of the highest levels of social and health security in the world such as Spain, would not have its citizens "desperately" leaving their kids behind with their grandparents in order to find a better life. It's laughable and just not logical. There is necessarily another explanation even if - like the video's author - I do not know what it is.
@@wsbm66 It's very far from laughable and quite logical, and i have it from respected publications which, insofar as they have ideological presuppositions (and they do) would be more inclined to think your way on the issue. Furthermore, I have DIRECT & PERSONAL experience of at least one retiree left high and dry by that "high level of health security" after a medically major accident! Thank God i could help HER, at least. Your response is regrettably too close to "qu'ils mangent de brioche!" Don't believe self-congratulatory propaganda.
Having grown and lived in Madrid until 33 and thereupon lived several years in rural areas of the Guadalajara province (one of the most demographically affected regions in Europe) while working in secondary school, your explanation is simply wrong. All kids live with their parents, who are the few workers that have stayed in those towns and villages, the remainder of the population being retired people. Local economy is mostly driven by retirees and ex-locals and their descendants coming on weekends and holidays and spending money. Most adults that have grown in those rural areas have moved to capital cities where their job is and have raised kids.
Brazilian immigration is welcomed in Portugal as we are similar. But people from Pakistan, India and Bangladesh have very different cultures and they are (mostly) not having a positive impact. Conflicts are rough.
In US, Indians average household income is almost double of that of Brazilians. In Europe too Indians feature among top earners. So in terms of tax contribution, Indians are a very much net positive. But I do agree that European nations are mono-ethnic, mono-cultural, mono-linguistic entities and its best for them to remain same instead of trying to be open-minded, multicultural society like US.
I moved to Bulgaria form Belarus, and outside main cities this place is like a abandoned land. A bit scary to plan my future here, only can hope for EU support.
that applies to all european countries... urbanization fomo trend has been so strong. germany is a bit exception that they have big population for their land area so not everyone can live in Berlin and perhaps they smart way allow policies to choose vibrant cities all over country. UK does opposite, everything outside London seems dead or struggling economically and also ignored in this regard.
I live in Galicia, Spain and here one of the main problems is that the government is actively killing the small farmer's business. They are forcing them to change their tractors to more modern, expensive and worst ones because their's "pollute too much"; more taxes on diesel, more taxes on the animal's food, more taxes on their product itself, no financial aid and more controlled livestock than ever (more than necessary). The young see that their father's business is dead, they sell the land and move to other countries.
É a mentalidade cobarde dos tugas, em vez de se baterem pelo pais deles preferem ser ciganos no pais dos outros, parabéns, agora pouco importa porque o teu pais já foi. Podes ter o bi da estonia ou de outro pais qualquer, mudar o apelido mas ambos sabemos que é tudo fake
Tell me then why there are houses in Italy given away almost for free. Well, it's about location. If people aren't willing to live in certain places but instead flock to the most populous urban areas, you get this trend.
Yes sure, I am not willing to move countries to live in a deserted village in italy in a 1 euro house that you have to pay 90k euros in renovations because it is a ruin. It's just not a good deal. But I would be willing to move to a small town within my country and look for a job but man, properties are maybe 10-15% cheaper than city suberbs :( .
massive imigration by wealthy baby boomers from northen europe and the US, that are going to be served by cheap labour from 3rd world countries... now try to see who profit from this and you will see where's the plan
Why isn't there young people (and thus families, kids) in rural areas? Because they have been systematically impoverished by latifundism and horrible agricultural schemes by the EU. Small farms are not being helped, only great landowners are.
When you think everything is lost. Remember that 200 Christian men cornered on a mountain sealed the fate of the Western world and saved it by beginning the reconquest of Spain, thus changing the course of the centuries to come. Glory to King Pelayo, may his milestones be recorded in the echoes of eternity and never perish. The battle is not over as long as there is a single man standing willing to give his life. Greetings from Spain, Asturias ✝️
You should thank God and give glory to him first and foremost. He's the one who decides the fate of nations. John 15:5 I am the vine, you are the branches; the one who remains in Me, and I in him bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.
@@MikhailTeplensky Even before 2014 the demographic crisis was worse than southern Europe but now it's much worse and has nothing to do with war because only 3% of population loss is war casualties 97% of population loss since 2022 are people who left to other countries mostly young women and children who are so necessary to maintain a healthy demographic pyramid thus Ukraine future is destroyed not by the war itself but by valuable people leaving and not returning
@@baha3alshamari152 >Even before 2014 the demographic crisis was worse than southern Europe Since early 2000s Ukraine's TFR had been growing each year until 2013 or so, and IIRC achieving higher number than in SE.
Renting a room in Lisbon already costs me 1/3 of my income. Food is another 1/3. In a good month, after taxes, i save like 250 euros. How exactly i'm i paying for kids. I think unless you are a civil servant and have a family home, most young people in typical marriage age, like between 25 and 35, don't realy have resources, job security, and housing for 2+ kids. If we had low to none extra european migration, our population would certainly decrease, and the welfare state would partially collapse. Since we have 3.5 Million pensioneers and around 750 thousand civil servants, wich together are more than 50% of voters, and need taxepayers to pay their incomes, i just don't see how, at least democraticaly, our indigenous peoples can be preserved as a majority in the long run.
@@simeon1234 Digital nomads and rich expats of all kinds aren't really a problem. Sure, they raise rents in the touristic hotspots, but they bring a lot of money to the economy. I think the big problem is cheap imigrants, mostly from south America, Africa, and southern Asia. Without them there would be a scarcity of labour in many sectors of the working class job market. Therefore, since supply would be significantly lower than demand, the wages would raise a lot. Also, their number is simply much higher than rich retirees and digital nomads. It's not even close, there are currently around 1 million economical migrants, excluding those who have already acquired citizenship in the last decade. The pressure on the housing market from them is far superior.
Isn't it great that those third worlders have better future with rising demographics, open fucking entrance to Europe and with their homeland getting rid of their excess shit, enjoy cheaper housing market and they expand their population, culture and sphere of influence? Center Asians people are all over Eastern Europe and other parts of world and they enjoy demographic growth.
If couples in Niger (a country far poorer than Portugal) can afford to have an average of 7 children, than the average Portuguese couple can afford to have 2 children.
At least Spain and Portugal have a huge population of culturally related but comparatively poorer and higher fertility people in the New World (at least for now) to supply them with immigrants to slow their decline. It's still far from ideal, of course, but other Western countries don't even have that option.
What is weird to me is that Brazilians integrate far better in Spain than in Portugal, I hear a lot of shit about Brazilians in Portugal, but Spain is mostly worried about Muslims and don’t mind Brazilians there as much.
@@jgnogueira A diferenca e que a espanha em si e maior entao eles nao notao muito o montante para alem de que o numero de brs e bem mais pequeno na espanha do que a dos brs em portugal
We Greeks don't do well with democracy. In fact, we thrive under absolute monarchs. Our finest hour was the empire of Constantinople. Don't let silly secularists convnce you that democratic Athens was the model to go for the Greeks, it was an anomaly.
I'm 26 Italian and I honestly don't feel like we are a country, like even growing up there was this general "sensation" that we were heading towards a wall, adults always told me to move abroad
No that’s just aging. Everyone feels that way due to how our POV works. Some propel call it “present bias” cause you focus on the present due to the fact we only see the present.
I lived there for a time and every time I went to the questura to renew the residence permit there were USAID workers controlling who could get in and who couldn't. It's still that, if you go near one you can likely see it. You are a colony
@@yucol5661 not just a mentality, it's really reasoning, you look at the past and you look at the present, Italy doesn't exist anymore, my grandparents' Italy was full of folklore, I know nothing about it
Don't know about Greece, but trust me; Spain, Italy and Portugal will never die. There are plenty of people with ancestry from those countries in the Americas, who are proud of where they came from and still keep their old culture.
Yeah, but there's no solidarity, no identity. I'm Portuguese Brazilian in one of the most Protuguese cities in the country(Belém) and still. Institiotions like the Gremio literario and Beneficence Portuguese are a reliq of the past. I didn't think this to be a problem before, but now more and more the future makes itself to be very racialized. Yet, we, Portuguese, are still not moving. Portugal would rather import Muslims than us.
europe (central europe) is overpopulated so incase some supply and pricing of critical human needs products changes, they are in trouble like electric price winter 2022/23. we are likely to see shocks like that more.
The concern about overpopulation only ever applied to the third world (where overpopulation remains a very real possibility), because it was assumed that birthrates in those countries would never decrease (although now they are). Demographers were never worried about overpopulation in the first world, where birthrates have been low for a long time, but they always assumed there was a floor. They never predicted that birthrates would fall anywhere near as low as they are now and continue to fall lower each year, and that's why people are only now getting scared about it. Population decline has always been the real threat to the West, but until recently we could get away with ignoring it.
@@effexon Central europe yes italy was able to disersify sources but germany lost the advantage in low energy prices over italy and germany along italy are europe 1st and 2nd industriial powers of the continent
I was born in Spain but I have the polish citizenship since my father is polish and Poland makes it so that all of the descendants of Polish citizens also have the citizenship. I am fascinated as well with your culture, I'm going to Poland this summer and I'll probably try to live there once I have enough money to find a house there.
Keep up your work ! You are the only western(thats a compliment for you, mr. ex soviet Czech :) ) on the internet who is fully aware of demographic realities. Bytheway Would you like to make video about imigtration/emigration and its ethnic and demographic effects in Russia I was personally shocked after seeing how Russia is currently repopulating Maruipol and its newly conquered lands. I mean everyone initially thought that Russia's goal was to strenghthen her Slavic demographics right huh ? Teşekkürler.
Russia is anti-Russian, good morning. Why do they call it mnogonazionalnaya strana (polyNATIONal country, not polyethnic)? It cares not about the passive majority. The goal is to balance out aka reduce anything related to (incl. the number of) the ethnic Russians, to amalgamate, to alienate so this "field of experiments" stays in the hands of the current rulers and their j masters, at least for the time being. It's funny that you as a Turk are not aware of that.
Calling someone western I’d compliment now? Looking at the state of majority of so called western countries I would doubt it. Also, Czech Republic was never soviet.
This is common knowledge about Italy. Even northerners look down on southerners for their poverty, corruption and lack of education in Italy. Some even say south Italy isn’t part of Europe but part of Africa.
As an Italian I think that the main reason for our low fertility is what you start discussing at 15:10 and, with this respect, I'd like to add that in more traditional societies partner choice was mediated and arranged by families: singlehood was therefore a rarity. What has been happening in Italy for the last decades is a transitional phase from a fully traditionalist society to a modern one, where women have not however fully emancipated. Unlike 50 years ago, women have the power in partner choice but are unable of using it well because of the aforementioned transitional situation we've been experiencing: generally speaking, Italian women embrace some modern aspects but at the same time do not reject some traditional ones.This attitude creates in us young males a huge confusion, as we don't know how to navigate this complexity. Such situation is even harder for introverts (like me, lol) who, for obvious reasons, have lower chances of meeting people, potential partners included. As Italy is generally known to be an extroverted country, Italian introverts have a harder time when having to deal with extroverts, and this is the also the case for partner selection, which just doesn't happen or miserably fails after many attempts. If you want to find out more about what I said, you can check Apostolou's work about "involuntary singlehood".
I stopped watching as soon as you said housing is affordable. How the hell did you come to that conclusion? Working 30+ years to pay for a two bedroom apartment is NOT affordable, this is not what our parents paid. I'm from Albania, my father bought the apt I was raised in for 24k Dollars in 2000. The average wage then was 400 dollars per month, so we're talking about 6 years salary. Prices now in the same area are 200k Euro but the wages have barely increased. Real wages in Italy and most of southern Europe have actually gone down, cost of living is higher. So yeah, it is housing and everything else. Do better research next time!
Good video, but one issue is missing. Emigration was massive in Portugal and, I imagine for Greece as well. During the 90's and 2000's large chunks of the Portuguese youth went to work abroad as manual laborers, mostly on the EU and in Switzerland. I imagine the abnormally low rural fertility is due to this, as such emigration was more prevalent amoung young men at these areas, leaving their now elderly parents at the rural vilages.
I saw a statistic recently that said something like 30% of Portuguese people between the ages of 25-34 or something do not live in Portugal. So even if Portuguese young people are having children, a big proportion of them are having their kids in Germany or the UK instead.
I am one of those kids although I am not ethnically Portuguese so I don’t feel any guilt xD I really miss the weather and landscape in Portugal though so i come back every winter. I would prefer to raise a child in Portugal than Berlin where I currently live.
actually in the 90s things in Greece looked generally good, and we had a huge wave of immigrants coming from Albania and other countries of the former eastern block
I'm from Sevilla, 25 years old, 4 languages and one double major degree: can't find a good job and can only dream of living by myself, it's impossible. I am leaving to live in Asia next month, it feels like the situation here is hoopeless. I know I'm a bit pesmisitic, but it really seems that this is going to explode in the near future. You can't expect that huge amount of people to have the minimum wage of their region to live by... When you see that Spain has around 36k euros of average salary, why is that number even displayed? Coulndn't be farther from the truth... I know no one in my circle that earns that much... I love Andalucía, but I need to say hasta luego 💔
Been waiting for this video for a while. From my personal experience having lived in Greece my whole life, the situation is very very bad. In many places in the country, ethnically Greek kids below 10 are such an infrequent sight that they're basically rare pokemons. That said, I firmly believe that we're not past the point of no return. We are however going through it. What we do now will decide our fate. Ultimately, I'm whitepilled. What we're going through is sn incredibly tough transitional period that many north western countries never had to go through. I believe the situation will eventually stabilize, and for all we know an age of prosperity and baby making awaits us.
I don't think baby-making is coming in the future. Besides the echonomic conditions, people simply don't want to have kids. I wouldn't have kids even if I had all the money in the world.
@@robertofernandez7178 And you won't have kids. Which means your biological predestination to have kids will be gone when you're gone, which means the future generations will be more and more resilient to these vulnerabilities, and will be more likely to want & have children.
Bros I live in Greece, born here. I live in an island, and it is indeed filled with boomers who make money off rent or pension. And there are no young people to hire for manual labour. But I still feel so hopeful regardless. Because the goverment (via banks) is intentionally suppressing everyone and everything, but if lifted, things would be comfy. This is the default state. Now imagine if there was a based nationalist goverment, and as a result, (economic) prosperity. All problems here vanish.
@@acuerdox No they do not. Non-industrialized parts of the population produce more offspring than urban communities, and they tend to be poor as they live in lesser industrialized areas. Because on a farmland, more children means more extra labour, in an urban society , a kid means a liability, here they allocation of financial resources of a supporting organization like the state becomes necessary. In greece the popluation was growing until the crisis hit in 2012. European governments have all the tools to change the negative population trends, but they will only do it, if it becomes really necessary, and at the momnet, european countries can sustain their economies without a steady growth of population, thats why nothing is happening in that regard
America is blessed to border Latin America. Most immigrants coming to the US are Latin Americans, the descendants of white Spaniards+natives with a culture that’s very similar to South Western European So the US is basically getting half white immigrants who are at least somewhat culturally similar to us and speak Spanish, the second most used language in America. While Europe gets mostly Arabs and Africans who are not white at all and have a very different culture and religion. It’s also much more difficult to assimilate Arabs because most of them are hardline Muslims. Arabs and Africans grow up in very different cultures and environments as compared to Europeans or North/South Americans
I agree. South Americans and Mexicans I believe share very similar values with US citizens. The ones that are able to migrate here usually have a drive to integrate into the workforce and society. The US is so much closer to Mexico and parts of South America than people think, after all, the US is apart of the Americas and with that comes getting to know our neighbors down south. The US in the coming decades will eventually have Spanish as their second official language imo.
Coastal North Africans, and Middle Easterners from fertile crescent are kinda white, But Peninsular Arabs, Bedouins and inner inhabitants of North Africa not really, This doesn't really matter as they usually come from an Arabic culture, but luckily enough, 40% of European Arabs are Christian which means immigrants can indeed assimilate
You're wrong for a couple of reasons. First, fertility rates in Latin America are not much higher than those of the US. The United States has a 1.66 fertility rate, while Mexico for example has 1.82, and some like Chile are lower than the US. The well will dry up eventually. Second, you're also wrong about saying most come to the US. Indians have become a huge source of migrations, as have Africans, Caribbeans (not Latino ones), and other Asians like Filipinos and Chinese. Indians especially seem to be flooding the entire western world. While Pakis get the brunt of the hate in the UK, Canada already has begun turning on its Indian population. I think soon that will start in the US, as Indians continue to flood our borders. But yes, if all immigration was only from Latin America it would be fine, but as they continue to develop, their migration rates have reduced, while the rest of the world's has increased. Soon North America will become India again, but dotted Indian, not feather.
@@lucaslevinsky8802 America's obsession with importing every white ethnic group has screwed over the progenitor demographic of the USA who literally created the nation. And that demographic is people of British Isles and northern France ancestry. They got their creations hijacked and sometimes weaponized against them. Gene pools matter and it's shaped by 1000s of years of history. Germans, Scandinavians, Slavic, are radically different from the Irish, scots and English at the elite level, especially when it comes to innovation. Irish and Scots have lots of red heads which has a legendary history. We are not the same. It was all one big lie. We are not even the same among Northern European ethnic groups.
As a Portuguese, this issue is very frightening. As I grow older I tend to appreciate my culture more and more, which I disregarded ever since I was a kid because I always liked STEM so much more. Regardless, I have always been very unsatisfied with my government (I think all south euopeans can relate) because it's corrupt to hell and back and it poorly manages taxes. Here in Portugal, people spend about 40-50% of their income in taxes. Still, public transportation outside of the city centres in Lisbon and Porto sucks, even in the surounding peripheries. Public hospitals are a mess and they often lack doctors and nurses to respond to the demanded care (I always laugh that, even though we were years under a socialist government, people who can afford it still pay private health insurance out of precaution). Public schools in the metropolitan areas are in shambles (the school I attended had mold and cracks on the walls lol) and some schools don't even have enough teachers, meaning there are kids that literally sit country-wide exams without having classes. Salaries are of course low when compared to the rest of Europe, which wouldn't be that big of a deal if inflation were not raising the cost of living considerably, coupled with the high ammount of taxes we pay and the absurd rent costs in the metropolitan areas (where most jobs are anyways). Just like everyone in my age group, I was told to emmigrate because of better opportunities, and I did. I completed my bachelor in Portugal but now I'm doing a master's degree in Belgium and I genuinely find it really hard to come up with a good reason to come back to Portugal. The cost of living is, of course, much higher than in Portugal, but salaries definitely make up for it. Plus, hospitals and public transportation actually work (at least when compared to Portugal). It's no surprise the Portuguese are going extinct. Our government does not value its youth and consistently delays any support to it. I would still love to someday come back and try to help my country when I am in a better position, but honnestly I don't know how.
Não Vai Estar Por Muito Tempo ( Portugal ) 😢 eu Penso como Tu e Olha Foi Empurrada Pela Minha Família Sair de Portugal, Agora Estou na Grécia a Trabalhar com um Salário que Compesa 🥲🤍 Mas Portugal Sempre Será a Nossa Casinha 🇵🇹❤️
The change was primarily liberalization of housing and building of a massive housing speculative bubble for decades. If you can't afford a "casa" (house or home), you can't afford "casarte" (marry), which at least in Spanish is a derived term and literally means "to establish a home". You're under-valuing the massive "socialist" praxis of fascism or in general of Keynesian regimes until the 70s or rather 80s, which included state intervention of "strategical" industries (i.e. everything that was somewhat meaningful in terms of GDP, from metallurgy to telecommunications, from car-making to energy, etc.), "vertical trade unions" (which ensured capitalist "social peace" by making mild but still important concesions to worker demands) and protection of family by means of cheap housing rents, which were for life and basically didn't increase in price at all. The housing bubble, coupled with mediocre salaries, made us all terribly poor. Under fascism, salaries were bad but at least the cost of life was low, under democracy, salaries rose only somewhat while the cost of life skyrocketed. Something has to give and that is family, reproduction. Cultural factors are at best adjacent.
In Portugal the urban fertility is higher because of two factors: 1- Imigrants tend to have more children, and they are concentrated in the cities. 2- Cities have a more advance GDP per capita, ambling parents who have more money to have more childern, like two, or even tree.
yes. this 1.5 fertility is already reflecting imigration like those who became citizens... REAL birth rate of REAL ancestral Portugueses is .000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
I am a Mexican and from reading the comments here I have to say Spain isn't going to pull out of its death spiral by leaning on us - Latin Americans. Why would anyone who isn't desperate like refugees want to cross the pond and go to a country where there isn't any social mobility, is on an economic downturn brought on because of its aging population and is strangled by EU policy. I could return to Mexico, specifically Monterey and get a tech sector job. You want agricultural laborers to work in Andalusia and low wage workers to man your low paying city jobs but thats not gonna happen because they all go to the US. Even then people on my level that is highly educated LATAMs would much rather work in the US because Americans take working seriously they don't dick around. They're not Flâneur like Europeans. Spain isn't a "trains on time" kinda country that's one of the most serious indictments of Spain its terrible bureaucracy government and private. I rather take my money and labor and invest it in Miami, Latam friendly city that is becomimg a hub for Latin American companies and has the cultural institutions to support a functioning and profitable Latin American company. Lets be real. Spanish Men and Women have to stop, get serious push out leftists from power, reform society - not just government - into a country of workers and not of European princesas living off the state and meandering. Addition: Living off the state incurs heavy penalties. Yes a proportion of your life is subsidized and you have a safety net but with more migrants that take more and give nothing that safety net withers - which is happening in the UK with its NHS. You as a consequence is left with pocket change good for consuming petty commodities instead of opening enterprises that would otherwise stimulate the Spanish economy and lead to a stable nation where child rearing is possible and generation wealth could be accrued. By taking from the state you are cannibalizing the future of the unborn which is a lesson Americans are learning with their own aging population.
Soy español y me gusta tu comentario. Se nota que sabes de lo que hablas. España es un desastre y no tiene buena pinta. Pero los españoles están engañados, aunque también tienen un grado de complicidad en todo esto.
@@joseluis-mf1yj España no es un pais donde el joven español sale de la universidad, trabaja unos años, ahorra sus euros, empieza una empresa, hace buen dineral, se case y tenga hijos. Todo el sistema por virtud de ser parte de la Union Europea es antitético a obtener libertad económica que necesitas para ser parte de la clase mediana (burges) whatever, y tener una vida estable que promueve la vida familiar. No ayuda que el gobierno esta permitiendo extranjeros perfectos entrar a España y quitarle comida de la boca a los naturales de España. Impuestos, política doméstica e extranjera (U.E), cultura, habito. Todo conspira contra los Españoles jóvenes
Los mexicanos tienen suerte de tener a usa al lado , creeme que para un venezolano, colombiano o argentino España es mejor opción para tratar de salir adelante, y si no funciona te dan la nacionalidad española a los 2 años y puedes ir a otro país como español.
@@lvpb13 Not really. I'm not a PRIsta nor am I a MORENA supporter nor a PANista. I'm just a guy who recognizes that you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Something that stood out to me when I visited Italy was that none of the towns or cities outside of the main ones that I visited had many people at all, and the ones that were there, were all old. Also, I only saw maybe two women pushing a stroller over the course of being there for two months.
I think in the end, Europe's ethnic groups would just coalesce into a blurry, "European" ethnic group made in the image of Americans by the end of the 2200s certainly but maybe as early as the 2100s.
@@orange_blossom1 Nope. By then genetic engineering will be a thing. Such a future can already be prevented by tactical use of sperm banks. I would pay women, including migrant women, double the child benefit if they get fertilized at a sperm bank. The ancestry of the genetically gifted sperm donor would match the homeland or progenitor of the nation. So in England, it would be someone of British Isles ancestry. Repeat this for a couple generations, and a non-native's women bloodline will basically convert to the native bloodline with some barely noticeable mystery meat after 3-4 generations. Homogenization is a failed idea, it will never happen. Innovation alone was going to prevent it from happening.
no it wont the differences are too big soon it will become noticeable again as the eu tries to federalise and people will remember why their countries exist as things they take for granted get banned
Iceland has 0.3 million inhabitants and it is wealthier than Germany, whcih has 84 million. So apparently you do not need big populations to have high GDP per capita. Greetings from Greece.
Is that your expert evaluation? Every country (especially in the post-industrial era) is dependent on its natural resources and how it can spin them into supporting the home population and providing high value exports.Countries like Iceland and Norway are rich because of a combination of a small population, the greatest variety and volume of essential and lucrative natural resources, globally and the fact that their climate is so unattractive that, especially Iceland, will only ever be a country holidaymakers want to visit and will not attract illegal immigration.*It is also much easier to develop lucrative and successful systems in countries with smaller populations and decent natural resources, than much larger countries with greater population.We know this because larger countries have tried to implement systems highly successful in Scandinavia and Canada (30 years ago Canada), but have found much more problems and issues are encountered at greater scale *most countries are not so privileged
@@Rowlph8888 "Every country (especially in the post-industrial era) is dependent on its natural resources" - if statements such as "every country were dependent on their natural resources" were true, then the whole of Europe would be the poorest continent of the world, and Africa the wealthiest, since Europe has almost zero natural resources, and Africa is full of them. So I am sorry, but at least until the year 2024, there are more important factors, such as creating new technology from nothing, and using it in optimal ways, and other such economic phenomena. "Countries like Iceland and Norway are rich because of a combination of a small population" - the city of Lamia, Greece, where I grew up, has 50k inhabitants. Why is Lamia less wealthy than the United States of America, which have ~336 million inhabitants? Why do you believe that the smaller the population, the wealthier the region is. This is not true. The correlation between population size, and GDP per capita is near zero. "the greatest variety and volume of essential and lucrative natural resources" - Africa has more resources than Iceland and Norway. Also in very small countries. Why is it not the wealthiest place on the planet? Your belief is an illusion of your mind. Please forget it. "the fact that their climate is so unattractive " - compared to which climate(s) are Iceland's and Norway's climates unattractive exactly? As agreek person, I find their climates the most attractive in the world. "It is also much easier to develop lucrative and successful systems in countries with smaller populations " - evidence? I observe that the US is one of the wealthiest and most developed countries in history. What kind of systems were tried to be implemented in scandinavian countries and Canada that did not work exactly?
As an Italian, this ofc makes me really sad, but I understand that peoples go extinct as well as being born. Just looking at our peninsula, we had Etruscans, Samnites, Cisalpine Gauls, Sicani, Romans etc. and they're all gone, all that survives of them are their heritage and some parts of their cultures still sticking around today. We all knew that one day it would be the Italians' time too, same for the Spanish, Portughese and Greeks, with populations such as Iberians, Celtiberians, Minoans, Miceneans etc. all going away. It is normal, but like with the other exctinct peoples, parts of our cultures will endure in the next peoples to inhabit those areas, since I doubt fertile and rich lands such as Iberia, Italy and Greece will ever be uninhabited. I just hope whoever follows us will learn from our failures.
10:56 In Portugal's case, while there are probably those who do it on purpose, the majority of the adult population still living with their parents is due to low wages and high housing prices, Im talking about the average salary in Portugal being 1368€ (2022) and the houses cost 80k to 100k or more Edit: those 80k are either very isolated houses or very old (pretty much destroyed) houses, average houses/apartments are 300k and upwards
You could have chosen the 2010's white pill Georgia. From 2007 it's fertility rate significantly increased and for 5-6 years it's fertility rate went above replacement rate. Since 2021-2022 it has also significantly fallen, in my opinion due to COVID lockdowns & social fear and fallout from the war in Ukraine, however European countries should look at the Georgia example.
I am a doomer when it comes to Greece, I know the Greek people and I know that this will not be easy to reverse as Greeks are a stubborn people unable to actually work with one another even as they claim unity. Having said that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, Greece is currently going through a weird political shift where our left wing has both failed the nation and is split in hard, and our right wing has alienated the traditionalist right. Hopefully this means a change in the political system that could result in a correction of Greece's current problems such as the tax system and the centralization of the economy into big cities. I can be hopeful even though I see the doom of my nation.
I'm half German and half Spanish, I can tell you from my experience and observations the problems associated with uncontrolled mass immigration is far worse in Germany than Spain. Spain does not only have the advantage to assimiliate people with a similar cultures from two continents, but also is generally easier to integrate into, because of cultural warmth compared to for example Germany.
I totally agree. I am from Munich, but I have moved to Spain over 5 years ago. Much better culture for integración. Making friends and dating is easy, if you speak fluent Spanish!! In Germany people stock to their immigrant subcultures
This is incorrect, you’re assuming Latin Americans are similar to Spaniards when they’re not really. They’re ethnically quite different and cause a lot of problems with crime. Not to mention the tons of North Africans in Spain
23:00 Its not like they are that woke for troll's remorse, HispanoAmerican culture is not that far from Spanish one, also since the genetical imprint from spain is quite massive, there are familial bonds that never quite faded. It's not that hard for a Mexican or Argentinian to adapt to Spain and vice versa.
"I think that the fertility rate problem is more linked to incentives than anything else. In some countries life standards and ethic changed so much that they prefere to feed their ego rather than their childrens. Nations are going to be extint if trajectories don’t change but most of them are not taking care of this problem."
My biggest worry on this issue, as a Latin American, is that western Europe try to suck our people like they did to eastern Europe, which would be horrible for our own complex demographics. Hopefully, though, we have a better decade economically in the 2020s than we had in the 2010s and this madness of an exodus to Europe stops (it's very weird in a historical context, at least for Brazil, Argentina and others). I think this is perfectly doable, as we see with Chile now and our own countries in the 2000s, you don't need to be that well off for people not to leave
I doubt that will happen. If you are purposefully trying to collapse a country the worst you can do is invite smart, hardworking, medicated and culturally similar peoples. That's why they make it so hard for us they don't want us because they want the decline not to stop it
For men urbanisation has been the biggest hit to our end of the fertility equation. On the farm more kids is more workers abd more wealth. In the city its higher costs and less wealth. For women the biggest hit to their end of the fertility equation has been capitalism. In a comunity system women have the logistical support systems they need to have children when they are most able. In a capital system they have enough resources to have children about mid career.
in modern societies with no industry where everything comes in boxes from china by aliexpress there is no more need for men ... they could just donate the sperm to a tank and die and western societies would continue to exist with nice smarphones coming from china. WESTERN MEN ARE EXTINCT and they did it to themselves
So to sum up: higher percentage of women accesing higher education and working, and "democracy" are leading to the end of whole civilizations. And the solution for surviving is authoritarian regimes. Thank you, you proved my points
Portuguese population in 1422 ~1M, and we managed to discover the navigation routes to half of the world. At the moment we are over 10M and this country seams dead.
Im glad someone is covering this. Although we have no authority that will correct any of this. Truly in end times once 70% of the worlds population is over 65 years old - or something like that.
My theory about it is very controversial: europeans needs struggle, needs war and difficulties to overcome. The west is in decline due how easy is living here. We became weak. Another factor is how uncontrolled is the sexuality and the lifestyle that promotes a consumist approach to relationships and sex in general.
If these difficulties appear, who do you think are more likely to push past it and improve? The "weak europeans" or the immigrants who are already used to difficulties?
Immigration isn't a solution to population woes. Mass Immigration only: Degrades your culture: see Germany, Sweden, and England. And then any population gains are lost in a generation. So home cost skyrocket, culture lost, no real gains in population beyond the first generation.
US want to keep EU down. To have in EU most worst possible situation- It is strategic interest of US to not have strong EU Especially to prevent Russian resources and EU technology
This is so sad, but the sadness was expedited by, I kid you not, Radiohead's "No Surprises" starting to play the exact moment the conclusion section began. I thought that it was edited in, but my Spotify somehow aligned the perfect song to play at the perfect time.
Ethnicity is also a very important factor. If I, as an ethnicity, go in someone's city in large numbers and reproduce with average rate of 3-6 children per woman, things will not go well neither for statistics nor for the local population.
Italian here, i'd say that the prevalent reason is the rapid cultural modernization, at least of my country, we passed from a strongly traditional society into a completely modern culture quickly and with progressive ideas legitimized by fascism, possibily a similar situation as with Germany but pair this with a weak economy where salaries are among the lowest in western Europe, finding a job as a worker is a nightmare and hiring someone as an entrepreneur is even worse, there's so much burocracy and so many protections that hiring someone as a small business (so most of italian economy) basically means to adopt him into the family, many just choose to not hire and make do with what one can do alone, plus, i shit you not, 50% of the cost of a worker just goes to the state in taxes halving the worker's salary
In Spain we also have lived a dictatorship and it finished in 1975, more recently than Italy. Spain suffer the same as Italy in terms of modernization. Also, the salary per hour in 2023 of Spain is 18,2€, whereas in Italy is 21,5€. Compared to Portugal or Greece, we are better, however, compared to France or Germany, we are worse. So, Spain and Italt I always believe that are countries with similar economic situation. We also get independent from our parents in our 30' or later. We depend a lot on tourism, that is why COVID affected our economy so much. Young people are very pessimistic about their future, and most want to leave the country to find work.
@adaalonso hi latin brother/sister, your dictatorship is more recent yes, but I'd say it's also "less impactful" in the sense that Franchism was a military dictatorship yeah, but it wasn't totalitarian and it didn't bring Spain into a world war like fascism did, I don't know a lot about it but I think its legacy can be more easily defended or at least more difficult to stigmatize, in Italy instead the dictatorship was catastrophic so every idea connected to it can easily be deemed harmful. For the economy instead i'd say Spain is a little worse now, but it has more growing capacity, Italy instead has a saturated economic situation since its economic activities are mostly micro and small scale. The family-run ice cream shop and minimarket are nice but being small scale they aren't very productive and can't pay the workers wages as high as North European countries, so people emigrate, either we completely change our economic system or the decline will continue. I'm interested in the political and economic situation of Spain though, I can't manage to find that much information about it and i'd like to know more if you can help, if the problems are similar we could copy you if you'll find solutions, i don't trust our people to manage those problems any time soon.
@@Baghdad56 The consequences of the dictatorship were much worse than what is thought outside the country. Since Franco isolated Spain for a long time, and if it were not for the fact that he did not want to participate in World War II, Spain would have also entered. Although the ideologies are not as radical as those of Mussolini, in Spain there is still debate about fascism, and I even think it is less censored than in Italy or Germany, even though the ideas were also extremist. Because of Franco and the fact that the dictatorship ended so late, Spain was far behind other countries in terms of modernization. As for corruption, I know that Italy is very famous for suffering from this problem, but Spain is not far behind either. The politicians and the economic situation are quite bad, perhaps not as bad as Greece, but almost Portugal has surpassed us in other aspects. Here private companies look for cheap labor, the self-employed do not prosper because they are overtaxed, and the majority of young people either want to be a state official or leave the country. The problem is that there are few places to get it, there are the same old people as always occupying the positions that thousands of young people could occupy and who are better qualified. For example, doctors here require a lot of preparation, very difficult exams to access, and then they barely have a place to earn a good salary, which is why they go to other countries where they are better valued. The birth rate is also very low because there is hardly any money to become independent, much less to start a family. The pension system is unsustainable, since there are too many older people collecting pensions for so few young people who are contributing. We depend a lot on tourism (Spain is the second most visited country in the world), and we have fewer competent brands compared to Italy (Gucci, Lamborghini, Ferrari...). Yes we have potential, in the sense that people are well prepared and qualified, and we have resources, but there is not work for everyone. Temporary contracts are what is most prevalent in Spain, especially in hospitality, but someone who has invested so much in studying a career deserves better than being a waiter for a shitty salary. Politicians, regardless of their party, hardly differ from each other in terms of the changes they want to make. People are quite fed up with immigration, especially from Africa, because other ethnicities are welcomed. Spain also has a basic economic problem, and no party is willing to create a new one because playing it safe and continuing to make money is what they prefer. Unlike other countries, politicians here have lifetime salaries. Spain is not as bureaucratic as Italy, but it also has enough of it. In education and access to public positions we also continue to be very traditional, with entrance tests that only consist of memorizing many topics, but do not evaluate critical thinking. Our level of English is one of the worst in Europe, just like Italy. Older people have life figured out, but young people have no future here
As a Canadian I wouldn't mind immigration either if the majority was coming from the USA, UK, Australia, and New Zealand as Latin Americans are moving to Spain.
The only people who want to immigrate to Canada these days is Indians. Good thing is there's about 1.5 billion left still who haven't immigrated to Canada.
As person from one of these countries with friends from all of these countries here is what I am going to tell you . If the living conditions were more prosperous for young average locals , these countries populations wouldn’t be declining but rather blooming.
Portuguese here. Right now the population is being actively replaced by people from Africa, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Crimes are rising day by day (and yes mainly because of immigrants), our police is useless, laws are tailored for criminals, violence towards women are on the rise (even yesterday a girl got raped by an Uber driver and 2 of his friends, they were from Bangladesh) ... Day by day I think about moving away and relinquish my Lusitanian nationality. Portugal is no longer Portugal.
@@algernonsidney8746 we have witness account on all the news channels. We can see them literally harassing girls on the street every freaking day. That's my evidence, being a witness to this every single day.
Yes there is, just check any immigration graphs and compare them with European crime graphs. Crime has been on the rise ever since the third world began to invade europe
Do you need a study and statistics, when it is so fucking obvious to the eye. I am "only" 31, but old enough to recognize huge changes (not only negative, but mostly) in our European cities just within the last 10-15 years.
@@johannesaigner8501 if he needs numbers I can give numbers for the last 10 years. In 2014 the immigrant percentage was around 3%, this has been steadily increasing around 1% per year and it's around 10% now, because of this our services that give green cards are so full that the majority of immigrants arriving need to wait years to get their green cards so the real number is way more than 10%, this numbers also don't include the sons of immigrants that have been born here, and don't include people that have acquired the Portuguese nationality. 10% of any country is a lot, but for a country as small as Portugal this is way noticeable because our population is just 10 million. For more info checkout the sources: SEF (Serviço de Estrangeiros e Fronteiras), PORDATA and INE (Instituto Nacional de Estatística).
13:41 I can't safely speak for the other countries, but for Greece, this is certainly a more recent phenomenon, mostly occurring after WW2. Since the countryside was devastated many villages were abandoned. And also the state never seriously took care of the countryside so younger people would always move to the city every generation. This, on top of transportation being difficult (mountainous terrain and many islands) made a lot of people just abandon the countryside, to the point where it's not even economically viable. Thus, people no longer stay there or have families. Also, the immense influence of Athens in cultural life (around 40% of the population lives here) has made it so people across the country live in a mostly "urban-style" cultural settlement. There's very little difference nowadays between the youth of the city and that of the countryside
It's sad to see nationd which such a rich history and culture dying out. God knows when the suffering of these countries will end and reach the age of prosperity. Btw, tu máš prachy na čínskou polívku.
It will be interesting to see how these countries handle "free" healthcare and pensions when they get to the point where there is one worker for each retiree. The op said there was not a relationship between the fertility rate and housing prices, but I am not sure that is accurate. There are towns being abandoned in these countries as the young people move away and the remaining older population dies off, so fewer buyers in a world where there are the same number of houses will eventually drop housing prices.
I'm italian and i can tell you: walking on the street is like walking in a retirement home.
agree. streets are full of old ppl. even visiting soccer match in a stadium is like watching old dudes trying to act like young fans
Flip Flop Joe
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In Spain it's the same. Old people everywhere. It's rare to see a couple with children. The only children I see, funnily enough, are mostly migrants. Southern Europeans spend their 20s and 30s wasting their time and living in their parents home without any drive to achieve anything or start a family and this naturally leads to them not reproducing. Although, earning 1200 (after taxes its more like 950) euros a month on average when rent has now reached 800-1000 euros doesn't help either.
Bro ci lamentiamo, ma siamo noi stessi che ci siamo messi in sta situazione non facendo figli anche quando si poteva, e ora ne raccogliamo le conseguenze. Speriamo che gli italiani tornino a fare figli oppure soccomberemo.
A few decades ago Italians had so many children that they supplied highly skilled immigrants all over western Europe and North America. Now Italians are barely having kids and their population is shrinking in their own country. Italians are my favourite Euopeans so I feel really sad seeing this
Insane how things changed for Italy in less than 150 years. Most of the immigrants were from Southern Italy which was very poor, nothing much has changed there, they no longer have a high fertility rate though.
are you suggesting young-ish italians are having families, just outside of italy...
@@effexonNot really as I live in a state where it is pretty much infamous for it's Italians and they are either marrying into other ethnic groups or outright not having children
Italy is making citizenship by blood extremely easy. Hundreds of thousands of descendents of italian migrants in Latin America are getting it and moving to Italy. I'm a half-italian brazilian and I have an italian citizenship... If I weren't well-off and didn't have a stable income (which I do, Brazil is a good and affordable place to live rn) I'd probably move to Europe. I predict millions of Argentinians moving back to Italy, as Milei's government is crashing their economy and social services
Italians arey favorite non-white ethnicity of Europeans. It's a shame what bad German management has done to Europe. This can't be fixed.
In 2022, 50,000 Romanians returned from Spain to Romania. Spain is in severe decline
Good Romania need romanian people
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@@Nik29austria as a Romanian in Spain I agree
Its more of a testament of romania's own growth than spain's decline
@@9_9876 Didn't expect to find you here xd
In Barcelona 90% of people who spend the night at the police station are not Spanish
Ruzzoids you aren't welcome anywhere in Europe either
They are not Spanish because they are independent Catalonians 💪
this is rereconquista. enjoy.
@@traumvonhaiti Russians should thank Put_in, Stalin, for that, yes bolshevik revolution, red vs white wars, ww2, tsarist repression, Russians never had a break
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It's worth noting that it's extremely easy to immigrate to Spain from Latin American countries. The requirements for becoming a citizen, if you are specifically from Latin America, are almost cartoonishly low. Spain is trying to halt its demographic crisis through the use of its former colonies.
Tbh its one of the most sensible plans, they effectively are using their backup servers lol
@@Eltipoquevisteayer
Spain: "Quickly, mods, get the rest of the channel in here!"
Cuba: "What exactly is going on?"
Spain: "No time to explain, just cut the channel now!"
Most of them have it very easy because they are descendants of spanish citizens who were exiled during the dictatorship, especially for those coming from Argentina and Venezuela.
It's funny you pointed that. When my family and I went to El Salvador, i easily got through the airport line because my Dad is Salvadorean, but since my mom is Mexican, it took longer for her to get her info verified.
Yeah my Peruvian cousin has a Spanish girlfriend and they're currently having talks over who will move to where they live due to immigration being relatively lax in both countries
How is it even possible for young people to support elderlies when youth unemployment rate is high?
Why would young people want to work so that a majority of their labor goes to sustaining a bunch of old farts
That is why they move out to other places, like the USA where you have a lot less welfare payments.
Nonsense you still pay big bucks in usa but because it's an hegemon that prints the world's money there's plenty to go around if you hit something
@@GansHanders not tooo much for the USA honestly, like the US is mostly the brain drain, the quite educated and experienced who can get very high paying jobs in the US and are pretty much garanteed to succeed. Many i saw goes to Canada or Germany or hell, anywhere near that has better living conditions
How is it possible? Debt.
I think the main problem with the Greek population pyramid is that hundreds of thousands of young, university educated Greeks, were incentivised to move abroad, in the richer countries of the European Union, to avoid the debt. The fact that avoiding the burden of the debt was as simple as moving abroad, and moving and working abroad was free and easy within the EU, was a catastrophe for both the economy and the demography of Greece. Around 500.000 young people, a significant part of the age cohort in child-bearing age, simply moved abroad, and without their contribution, the population of Greece is collapsing
yes half a million left the country
I liked your comment
500.000 natives, in child bearing age (most have children abroad) with ok education. These people are irreplaceable for a country, it's the life blood.
@@jimmyking92 Yeah, especially for a country of just 10M people. These were around a fourth of the entire country's child-bearing age population. And we never got refunded by the EU for this. The EU has simply destroyed us.
So? Iceland has 0.3 million inhabitants, but it is wealthier than Germany which has 84 million people. So my suspicion is that Greece could have 0.3 million people (so only 300k), but be much wealthier in 2050, than it is now.
“Baby wake up, your favourite Czech is finally talking about our race be extinct due our salaries together be less than 2.5k euros per month in a city that the rent is 1400 euros for one bedroom studio.”
Don't lie, you are single 😂
The issue you are describing is the effect of immigration, not the cause. It is by design.
@@JaStvarno nah, actually we moved together to be able to share an apartment 😂
2K euros per Month is extrem bad
@@TotalSwitchTH-cam congrats 🎉 😊
It's also that almost all the young emigrate to Germany, France, Britain or America, leaving the country empty.
Not the current situation in Spain (as a trend) OFC some young people move there, but not in enough numbers to be considered a huge trend.
I’m afraid France is about to face the same fate as Italy with their high taxes and spending plans.
France? Very unlikely as their are not much better than Italy
@@TylerSolvestriYour lack of knowledge is as hopeless as your opinion...
@@TylerSolvestrithere is italian everywhere in France
My cousin emigrated to spain from Chile, the thing is the culture, languaje, and religion is basically the same, so the rejection of migrants is targeted mostly to those of african and muslim background
He emigrated from Chile
And immigrated to Spain
@@pridefulobserver3807 Most Latin Americans who migrate to Portugal or Spain are not only white but also have Spanish/Portuguese ancestry. As a Brazilian, I know only middle-class white individuals who have emigrated to Portugal, and no black/brown individuals. White flight is also affecting our demographics. In 1940, white Brazilians made up 60% of the population, but now they are barely 40%.
@@tiagomd3811 that's sad. I guess it is gonna get even worse in Latin America. Btw, do Brazilians have race issues like US? Like do they worry that now white people are becoming minority and us vs them mentality?
@@tiagomd3811
That’s so depressing because that same statistic change is happening in the United States. Non Hispanic Whites are around 60% and falling drastically.
@@tiagomd3811 I definitely saw plenty of non-white Brazilians when I was in Portugal.
in italy explanation is simple: salaries are decreasing since 30 years. Immigration is economically supported by the state. Pensions are still high because linked to salaries from a bygone era. Young people cannot afford a family
Inflation of currency is a crime. Fiat currency is a scam, everything that is not gold is a scam. Simple as
Isn't Meloni from the far right and anti-immigration?
In Spain it's the exact same. And I'm not sure if this happens also in Italy, but qualified workers have almost the same salaries as non qualified ones. Most salaries in Spain range from 18k-21k independently of the sector, I kid you not, a cashier earns the same salary as a welder or an accountant
This is a post ww2 phenomenon where the salaries were artificially high during the 50s-90s
@@therobro5089 or artificially low now, where wealth is entirely concentrated
It took him 18 minutes and 17 seconds to mention Emmanuel Todd
Must be some kind of a record
He said it ! He said the name !
It will eventually pass and he will realize Todd is kinda the historian for dumb people who think they’re smart af
NEW TRACK RECORD
Todd - Putin's and ayatollahs' lover? That Todd?
Ah, just in time to get told how Emmanuel Todd predicted the extinction of my civilization.
Todd is a grandson of Nostradamus, allegedly
Happy to have you in the club, he predicted the same thing for mine too (eastern europeans are going extinct video)
IMO, it's banning child labor is like banning mothers from utilizing daycares that pay her (factories) and preventing her from maximizing her personal income by "making new workers." Banning child laber cuts off would be stay at home mothers from being able to have their own household income, forcing them to ether rely on a single husbands income, and or seek her own job etherway nether option is adequate to support having any children. let alone a big family.
What civilization?
@@Kzaks we need to bring back child labor, no more fortnite lil bro
I'm Italian and i don't like living here
Italy is (currently) the poster boy for "Great place to visit no so much to live in"
I will start with saying that there are positive thing in Italy : Great food, a lot of historic places,nice weather , beautiful landscape and so on ,which is the reason why so many tourists come here. However, if you are a "young" person (18-35) from a working class background your future is not going to be really promising.
Finding a job is hard and if "you don't know anyone" you have to send a countless number of resumes every day often for months . If you're lucky you can get from time to time a few job interviews that 90% of the time don't lead to anything.
Finally you find a job but it's only for 3-6 months and then you have to start the job hunting all over again. Even if you got a permament contract you are expected to work long hours for peanuts. Italy has one of the lowest salary in Europe and we don't even have a minimum wage.
Rents are high (i think just like everywhere in the western world) and without a permanent salary you 'll never have the chance to get a mortgage.
I know that there is a stereotype of italians being "momma boys" but the main reason why we don't leave your families to live on your own it's simply because we can't afford it.
Our birthrate has hit an all time low every year since 2013 and behind japan ,we are the second oldest country in the world (percentage of people being older than 65) which means that today's workers are going to work more years for a smaller pension. My father recently retired at age of 62 after almost 43 years of working (factory worker) with a pension of around 1600 euros per months. Now the retirement age is 67 (if you don't have enough working years which is around 43 ) and if you are currently working a blue collar job like my father did , i'm quite sure your future retirement money are going to be much less.
99% of the immigrants that arrives in Italy by boats are not interested on coming here but they want (rightfully) to go to Germany or Northern countries where the standard of living are higher.
Many retired Italians seem not to care about the future of the country because they don't have to care about money anymore ,while many young ones are dissatisfied and feel like they have no hope to build anything in Italy. They believe the only way to have a decent life is to go abroad.
I love my country and i'm fully aware that me being an italian made me luckier than many other people who were born in places destroyed by wars and dictatorships where ,people have no rights and often no food. This is MY life though and i have to be "selfish" and if i know that there is a place where i get a have a better life i want to try to go there.
Rightfully? They should accept the very next country over from their homeland.
Finland would be the opposite. Great to live in but not great to visit.
Why aren't Italian businesses hiring? Is there not enough jobs? Are all the working class jobs being taken up by immigrants or being shipped away to other countries?
It’s very sad
@@thelordofcringeWhat’s the next country from this Italian guy’s homeland then? 😂
I’m from Madrid, and ethnic change here is extremely fast. Just in 20 years, the traditional working class areas of southern Madrid have become majority latin american. Now even small towns in poor regions have a lot of non europeans
Did they bring violence they have in LATAM?
Who spead catholisism and Spaish to all them latin Americans???
@@simeon1234 there’s a big problem in Madrid with Latin gangs like Latin Kings or Dominicans don’t play, just like in US cities with big latino populations. But the worst group in that regard are moroccans for sure. Latinos are the second most overrepresented group in crime statistics in Spain.
@@PMMagro good point
@@PMMagronot the same thing
@12:27 You can't compare Sweden and Spain without accounting for the skewing effect immigration has on Sweden's birth rate, since its welfare system makes it a popular final destination for migrants.
Yes, sweden is a permanent vacation spot for immigrants, and we swedish men and women get spit on by society while we pay for these useless immigrant’s wage.
Sweden has had immigration since WW" (before that emigration). Compare Sweden with Finland instead... Over time the effect of emigration instead of immigration is HUGE.
@@PMMagro i’m talking about the 2015 invasion, the previous immigrant waves were getting pretty well integrated into society. But this new one is just a catastrophe.
@@Mr.KingenSweden used to import danish and other Europeans into their country like Germans too and French, nowadays they took a huge 360 degree angle and imported entirely different cultures that have no interest in assimilating with them and we all see it play out
why on earth do they allow non citizens to claim benefits
Greek here. Population decline is an extremely serious issue my country. According to ELSTAT (the national statistics agency), we have literally DOUBLE the number of deaths than births every year. Even though other countries also struggle with population decline, I believe my country is in a worse spot, mainly for four reasons:
Firstly, we are already a very small country, it's less than 11 million of us over here. It is estimated that, if this trend continues, by 2050 there will only be 7.7 million of us left. (Well, at least there is a large Greek diaspora).
Secondly, we suffer from a severe case of brain-drain. It is estimated ever since the 2009 crisis started, more than half a million young, educated Greeks left the country and immigrated to countries like Germany, the UK, the US etc for a better life. This trend continues to this day.
Third, unlike the aforementioned countries, Greece does not have the ability to attract high quality, educated immigrants to maybe somewhat counterbalance the decline and support the economy. The only immigrants that want to come here are uneducated third-worlders that will either live of welfare and crime or (best case scenario) maybe work in fields or construction.
Finally, it has to do with the way our pension system is structured. Every single working Greek pays a mandatory, monthly social security tax/contribution (which is not small), on top of all other taxes, which is used to finance the pensions. Greek pensions are already extremely low, to the point that most people need to support their elderly parents (and not the other way around) and still that system barely works, due to the lack of tax-paying workers and the disproportionately high number of pensioners. It is estimated that there are currently 1,7 workers for every 1 pensioner. Meanwhile, for this system to work smoothly, it requires at least 3-4 workers for every pensioner.
I am well educated young greek from old diaspora. I want to come to greece and make bussiness
@@helioslegigantosaure6939 If the diaspora returns and makes businesses and children, there might be still hope for southern Europe. But such a selfless act of a huge number of people is unlikely.
@@helioslegigantosaure6939 like Stefanos Kasselakis 🤣
11 million is not that bad, i'm pretty sure Greece had 11 million 20 years ago too.
I saw a documetary recently where they showed a doctor and he said that the age of first birth is so high and he has many women in their late 30s as patients who seek help, because they want a child and it often does not work anymore
Spain accepts happily immigrants from Europe and latin America. But those from Africa, specially muslim countries are not well received at all and are the ones coming massively now.
Do you know Islam itself is against this type of immigration especially illegal one
I wish the north africans could get their S together in their homeland. Whe are they going to developp their country and ctu europe some slack, they even have oil ad gas.
@@backintimealwyn5736 tell that to Libya. I wonder how the west handled that country.
@@keshi5541 Khadafi tried something but lacked judgement, he went too far, we know the US want complete Hegemony and they will crush everyone else, including Europe with mass immigration. THey will blow up the earth before they accept a multipolar world. Until then , all that's left is some kind of compromise and not play into their puppet show. I don't know what they have in store for the migrants in Europe, but in the end it can't be good.
@@backintimealwyn5736 Its now mostly sub saharan africans who are coming to Europe.
The pressure to form families and have kids is largely absent in Europe as cultures embraced various individualist ideologies. Having kids makes life expensive and complicated, something that is at odds with individualist goals.
At the same time, you keep your borders open to outside cultures/religions that encourage excessive reproduction.
That's it, precisely. Kids simply aren't a part of the cultural value system anymore...
No wonder they made having kids harder and expensive instead of easier and cheap
Maybe liberalism is the problem
@@einfachignorieren6156 It's industrialization and urbanization that's the issue. Birth rate was largely fine under liberalism before industrialization.
The reason for Italy’s decline, as an Italian, is mainly the toxic meritocracy culture in a system that’s based entirely off of family sponsors.
Since a young age you’re told that you need to be at the top to get to choose your own life and career path, that if you’re too average you’ll be overlooked and if you’re mediocre you’ll be ignored and avoided.
Then those who manage to survive till high school graduation without being delayed a year and with a score above 70 realize that they have issues finding jobs because there are even more tests they need to take, and this time these tests are specific to job applications, which means you need to study for each and every job you’re applying for in order to have a chance of getting it since you’re competing against thousands of people at times.
And let’s say you get to the point in which you are in a good position. What next? 50/50 you don’t get the job anyways because one of the most mediocre applicants’ dad is a friend of the employer and now he’s getting chosen over you because the dad has convinced the employer to hire him.
This isn’t only in private settings by the way, but also when trying to do things like enlisting the military or trying to get into the police. That’s the most egregious example too, out of a thousand spots for enlisting as a private about two hundred of the candidates are chosen purely because they were already part of the military or they went in military schools, which are expensive as fuck, so that’s already a wealth disparity of opportunity and unjust treatment. Then let’s say only 800 people make it to the end, some recruiter Officer told me that even if there were more spots than candidates they were going to cut off at least 80 of them anyways because reasons, apparently that’s a thing that even if there is space for you if you aren’t good enough they just don’t want you.
This whole competition culture, paired with the stigma of not having a job is just too much for us young people to bear. Imagine having to go through this endless cycle of looking for a job, losing the opportunity to some Richie McDouchebag who’s friends with the job giver then being treated like a loser because you couldn’t get the job by your family and friends. Combine it with how complex love life is and the modern dating space being fucked up and you’re looking at a boring dystopia in which either you’re a 6’4 chad and you get everything or you’re just an undesirable little shit. Hence why Italy’s growth is so stunted nowadays, young people aren’t getting married or have children because they have no time to look for a sweetheart or no money to raise a family.
Even if you have a job, they pay you next to nothing so you have to live with roommates or your parents and good luck getting to raise a kid in an already crowded apartment.
So yeah, thank you if you read my Doomer posting, it was fun venting my thoughts on how much it sucks that I am going extinct.
skill issue
And regarding the military, let's not talk about the maximum age limit for enlisting: 24 for troops and 26 for Marescialli (NCOs), the apparently lowest in the whole Europe!
I heard there was a law proposition last year to raise it to 30 and 40 (for troops and NCOs respectably) but apparently it's on stand-by... 😓
This looks more like a rant than an actual recounting of the facts.
There is no stark "Chad to worthless piece of shit" division. Quality women don't look for someone who is 6+ ft tall, makes a lot of money, and his touch turns things into gold 😂 unless people in Italy are all completely delusional and entitled.
I am Greek. There's way too many ugly guys with pretty girlfriends for that to be true.
As an Italian you still have access to an infinite source of pasta, pizza and lasagna just by screaming "tutto" at the mirror three times at 3 AM though
Just to mention that here in Portugal there has been a massive outrage over the immigration policy of the previous Socialist government (they ruled between 2016 - 2024). We suddenly became a massive immigration spot for every 3rd world country without being asked. Ofc politicians and journalists alike quickly justified their actions by mentioning Portugal's declining population, but their real intention is to create a "diverse society" like one minister of the socialist government revealed. So I wouldn't say that we have the same attitude that Spain has in regards to immigration.
@@traumvonhaiti You're not convincing the average people in this country if your solution is to advocate for unregulated migration from some of the poorest and most dangerous countries in the world.
Flip Flop Joe
Your former prime minister is of Konkani Goan descent.
All modern socialists are blind globalists, they cannot see the difference between one people and another, all they see are humans. People can be replaced but the machine remains.
would you avoid french recent mistake and vote against left? coz leftists always favor that, despite they dont grasp at all what that means. Israel has been prosperous 20+ years due to right leaning government after decades of cozying with soviets and idolizing communism(this shows in their fertility albeit there is shades of grey in details too).
Eastern Europe: "Welcome to the club"
This is also true in most non-urban areas in Canada. Old people everywhere. In cities, the young ones are usually foreign students or new immigrants.
Housing bubble.
Weird. Suddenly Europeans aren't having kids. And suddenly there's plenty of foreigners being moved in.
Suddenly? Definitely not.
It’s not a conspiracy and they aren’t being moved in. It’s literally social trends and economics. Your money and jobs changed so approaches to life and traditions changed. You also love low paid workers so hence sourcing your own peasants from abroad. It’s literally getting labour to keep your lifestyle going, not that people ever appreciate anything the economy does for them unless they fully loose it
All by the design of hateful jews
@@TrueNativeScotare you stupid?
I have a small theory: if you take a look to countries filled with immigrants (either good or not) had colonies in Africa and the America's. Like Algerians in France ,France had ruled over Algeria from the early 1800's to the 1970's. So,some of them want revenge on the French for what they did and they are not seeking a better life
As a Mexican this video is deeply depressing. Some of us call Spain “La Madre Patria” or the mother nation, and we have a lot of respect as well as admiration for the Spanish nation and its people. I honestly feel that perhaps more immigration of predominantly Spanish descendants from the Americas could be a short term way to help Spains demographics. I much rather seen Argentinas and Colombians in Spain than Moroccans.
Problem is, Mexico is going the same way, basically all countries, heck even most muslim countires, which is a good things, are dropping below replacment....
@@KingKong-ic4il I believe that nature is trying to balance us out. We re too many on Earth. Not enough resources for all of us
Glad to see I'm not the only person of Mexican heritage that thinks this way. So many are brainwashed about the "evils of colonialism ".
Say what you will about Columbus, Cortes, Pizarro, Magellan, etc but we simply would not have ever existed without them😅
@@matheenarif8645except the World at large isn’t seeing a resource drain and the third world still have massive birthrates meaning the decline in europe and east Asia is just negated by Africans and Indians
There are not many Mexican here tbh it's pretty rare
As a spaniard, I'm not staying in Spain for too long. The demographic disaster and the elderly pensions are such a burden, and I refuse to be a wage slave my entire life to pay for their pensions
Where do you want to go? The entire world except Africa and some poor Muslim countries is aging rapidly.
@@HarrytheEarFannot usa tho usa can just let tons of immigrants without any consequences
One day you'll wake up and discover you're old.
Time waits for no one.
Show some respect, remember those retired now also worked and did their bit.
People like you make me sick
Now I’m not a lawyer, but have you considered tax evasion?
@@alexthred2179 If you wanna evade tax you could work without contract or get paid in effective, but your boss could pay you less and if you got no contract he can just exploit you
Those rural areas have equal numbers of over-80s and under-15s because the parents leave the kids with their grandparents in the country while they go off to the cities attempting to find work.
A country with one of the highest levels of social and health security in the world such as Spain, would not have its citizens "desperately" leaving their kids behind with their grandparents in order to find a better life. It's laughable and just not logical. There is necessarily another explanation even if - like the video's author - I do not know what it is.
@@wsbm66 It's very far from laughable and quite logical, and i have it from respected publications which, insofar as they have ideological presuppositions (and they do) would be more inclined to think your way on the issue. Furthermore, I have DIRECT & PERSONAL experience of at least one retiree left high and dry by that "high level of health security" after a medically major accident! Thank God i could help HER, at least.
Your response is regrettably too close to "qu'ils mangent de brioche!" Don't believe self-congratulatory propaganda.
Having grown and lived in Madrid until 33 and thereupon lived several years in rural areas of the Guadalajara province (one of the most demographically affected regions in Europe) while working in secondary school, your explanation is simply wrong. All kids live with their parents, who are the few workers that have stayed in those towns and villages, the remainder of the population being retired people. Local economy is mostly driven by retirees and ex-locals and their descendants coming on weekends and holidays and spending money. Most adults that have grown in those rural areas have moved to capital cities where their job is and have raised kids.
Brazilian immigration is welcomed in Portugal as we are similar.
But people from Pakistan, India and Bangladesh have very different cultures and they are (mostly) not having a positive impact. Conflicts are rough.
‘white ‘ Brazilians are mixed race
In US, Indians average household income is almost double of that of Brazilians. In Europe too Indians feature among top earners. So in terms of tax contribution, Indians are a very much net positive. But I do agree that European nations are mono-ethnic, mono-cultural, mono-linguistic entities and its best for them to remain same instead of trying to be open-minded, multicultural society like US.
Brasileiros NÃO são bem-vindos em Portugal, volta para a tua terra.
@@HERob-sf9qi those from the south are fully white. Any white European can sniff out if someone is of their kind
@@sunilkb if Indians can put people on the moon I don't see why they can't stay in pooland.
I moved to Bulgaria form Belarus, and outside main cities this place is like a abandoned land. A bit scary to plan my future here, only can hope for EU support.
that applies to all european countries... urbanization fomo trend has been so strong. germany is a bit exception that they have big population for their land area so not everyone can live in Berlin and perhaps they smart way allow policies to choose vibrant cities all over country. UK does opposite, everything outside London seems dead or struggling economically and also ignored in this regard.
Come to the states bro. It’s not perfect but you’d love it here
@@JesusOrDestruction would love to, but Im in my late 30s and guess will never get a house in states. Thx anyway.
@boredhuman9289 depends entirely on where exactly you wanna live. I've seen land for sale (not rent, sale) for as low as 1500$ .
freedom of movement with rest of the EU is precisely the reason for the brain drain
I´m from Latin America and became Spanish last year through a new law and this gets recommended lol
Great Job with the vid, instant sub
memoria democratica
Bienvenido
Bienvenido al inframundo
Portugal: "It's Joãover"
Spain: It's Josever
it's Marcelover
Italy: "it's Mariover"
Greece: it’s Konstantinover
I live in Galicia, Spain and here one of the main problems is that the government is actively killing the small farmer's business. They are forcing them to change their tractors to more modern, expensive and worst ones because their's "pollute too much"; more taxes on diesel, more taxes on the animal's food, more taxes on their product itself, no financial aid and more controlled livestock than ever (more than necessary). The young see that their father's business is dead, they sell the land and move to other countries.
devastador.
I'm Portuguese and my entire generation is moving away.
Me too 😅 I live in Estonia
pero el clima esta mierda lol
@@PASTRAMIKick Mejor un clima de mierda a ser pobre. Además, desde Estonia puedes volar a Portugal por 150 euros
O que é que estas aí a fazer?
Anda cá pá... preciso de recuperar o anexo da casa e não arranjo um pedreiro
Dassse
How is it there?
É a mentalidade cobarde dos tugas, em vez de se baterem pelo pais deles preferem ser ciganos no pais dos outros, parabéns, agora pouco importa porque o teu pais já foi.
Podes ter o bi da estonia ou de outro pais qualquer, mudar o apelido mas ambos sabemos que é tudo fake
Countries left empty, yet properties STILL cost a fucking fortune. Someone explain this to me please.
Tell me then why there are houses in Italy given away almost for free. Well, it's about location. If people aren't willing to live in certain places but instead flock to the most populous urban areas, you get this trend.
Yes sure, I am not willing to move countries to live in a deserted village in italy in a 1 euro house that you have to pay 90k euros in renovations because it is a ruin. It's just not a good deal. But I would be willing to move to a small town within my country and look for a job but man, properties are maybe 10-15% cheaper than city suberbs :( .
massive imigration by wealthy baby boomers from northen europe and the US, that are going to be served by cheap labour from 3rd world countries... now try to see who profit from this and you will see where's the plan
Why isn't there young people (and thus families, kids) in rural areas? Because they have been systematically impoverished by latifundism and horrible agricultural schemes by the EU. Small farms are not being helped, only great landowners are.
rural areas in this countries are a death sentence... NO JOBS... I'm surprised there are even 1 young person on the rural areas
When you think everything is lost. Remember that 200 Christian men cornered on a mountain sealed the fate of the Western world and saved it by beginning the reconquest of Spain, thus changing the course of the centuries to come. Glory to King Pelayo, may his milestones be recorded in the echoes of eternity and never perish. The battle is not over as long as there is a single man standing willing to give his life. Greetings from Spain, Asturias ✝️
Battle of Covadonga
Astúrias a mãe da Hispânia.
You should thank God and give glory to him first and foremost. He's the one who decides the fate of nations.
John 15:5
I am the vine, you are the branches; the one who remains in Me, and I in him bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.
In a couple of weeks I will be taking part in a pilgrimage from Oviedo to Covadonga. ¡Vivan el apóstol Santiago y la Virgen de Covadonga!
Please preserve Asturian culture
They are in bad position but still far better than Ukraine demographic disaster
Ukraine is literally dead lmfao
I mean ukraine is in a war
@@MikhailTeplensky
And the population has been in big decline even before that.
@@MikhailTeplensky
Even before 2014 the demographic crisis was worse than southern Europe but now it's much worse and has nothing to do with war because only 3% of population loss is war casualties
97% of population loss since 2022 are people who left to other countries mostly young women and children who are so necessary to maintain a healthy demographic pyramid thus Ukraine future is destroyed not by the war itself but by valuable people leaving and not returning
@@baha3alshamari152 >Even before 2014 the demographic crisis was worse than southern Europe
Since early 2000s Ukraine's TFR had been growing each year until 2013 or so, and IIRC achieving higher number than in SE.
Renting a room in Lisbon already costs me 1/3 of my income. Food is another 1/3. In a good month, after taxes, i save like 250 euros. How exactly i'm i paying for kids. I think unless you are a civil servant and have a family home, most young people in typical marriage age, like between 25 and 35, don't realy have resources, job security, and housing for 2+ kids. If we had low to none extra european migration, our population would certainly decrease, and the welfare state would partially collapse. Since we have 3.5 Million pensioneers and around 750 thousand civil servants, wich together are more than 50% of voters, and need taxepayers to pay their incomes, i just don't see how, at least democraticaly, our indigenous peoples can be preserved as a majority in the long run.
What about "digital nomads" and western pensioners. Are they significant in any way except rising rent prices?
@@simeon1234 Digital nomads and rich expats of all kinds aren't really a problem. Sure, they raise rents in the touristic hotspots, but they bring a lot of money to the economy. I think the big problem is cheap imigrants, mostly from south America, Africa, and southern Asia. Without them there would be a scarcity of labour in many sectors of the working class job market. Therefore, since supply would be significantly lower than demand, the wages would raise a lot. Also, their number is simply much higher than rich retirees and digital nomads. It's not even close, there are currently around 1 million economical migrants, excluding those who have already acquired citizenship in the last decade. The pressure on the housing market from them is far superior.
Feeding old people is unsustainable. Their problem that they didn't invest in future and have more children.
Isn't it great that those third worlders have better future with rising demographics, open fucking entrance to Europe and with their homeland getting rid of their excess shit, enjoy cheaper housing market and they expand their population, culture and sphere of influence?
Center Asians people are all over Eastern Europe and other parts of world and they enjoy demographic growth.
If couples in Niger (a country far poorer than Portugal) can afford to have an average of 7 children, than the average Portuguese couple can afford to have 2 children.
At least Spain and Portugal have a huge population of culturally related but comparatively poorer and higher fertility people in the New World (at least for now) to supply them with immigrants to slow their decline. It's still far from ideal, of course, but other Western countries don't even have that option.
What is weird to me is that Brazilians integrate far better in Spain than in Portugal, I hear a lot of shit about Brazilians in Portugal, but Spain is mostly worried about Muslims and don’t mind Brazilians there as much.
@@jgnogueiraBrazilians have historical hatred for the Portuguese for colonization
@@jgnogueira Maybe because the spaniards aren't dicks towards us. If i had to live in Europe, Spain would be one of my priorities.
@@jgnogueira A diferenca e que a espanha em si e maior entao eles nao notao muito o montante para alem de que o numero de brs e bem mais pequeno na espanha do que a dos brs em portugal
@@piedosa O que deprime é a quantidade de br não branco indo pra lá, deveriam aceitar somente os brancos lá
There are tons of Portuguese in Luxembourg and they tend to have quite large families
same in France, sorry for portugal but we need them here instead of arabs and africans lol
@codycody4145 And I need to build a barn..... and all those s.o.b. are in France
So it was democracy after all
Flip Flop Joe
giving ability to vote to certain ppl mightve been a mistake
We Greeks don't do well with democracy. In fact, we thrive under absolute monarchs. Our finest hour was the empire of Constantinople. Don't let silly secularists convnce you that democratic Athens was the model to go for the Greeks, it was an anomaly.
It was feminism. It destroys itself.
@@hebanker3372 industrial revolution happened during absolutism in Europe
Alright everyone go outside and start making kids.
i want to, just don’t have anyone worth having them with (aka I haven’t found someone compatible for that)
@@TheSwedishHistorianare your women that terrible? If they're like Zara Larsson, then I get it.
@@TheSwedishHistorianPicky much?
Flip flop Joe
@@straven479 or he just doesn't know anyone with wife material?
I'm 26 Italian and I honestly don't feel like we are a country, like even growing up there was this general "sensation" that we were heading towards a wall, adults always told me to move abroad
No that’s just aging. Everyone feels that way due to how our POV works. Some propel call it “present bias” cause you focus on the present due to the fact we only see the present.
I lived there for a time and every time I went to the questura to renew the residence permit there were USAID workers controlling who could get in and who couldn't. It's still that, if you go near one you can likely see it. You are a colony
@@yucol5661 no it's different, it's not just aging, it's really a mentality
@@juan-ko5hz the funny thing is that many Italians say that we are an American colony but they get accused of being fascist or something,
@@yucol5661 not just a mentality, it's really reasoning, you look at the past and you look at the present, Italy doesn't exist anymore, my grandparents' Italy was full of folklore, I know nothing about it
I am Portuguese. These couple of years have been really rough. When I walk down the street I question myself if I am in Portugal or in Africa.
@amfx1Spain is struggling on Native population too you French and Portuguese people are screwed by to past colonialism
Don't start nothing won't be nothing. This is the end result of the last 500 years of greed.
Your people did the same thing in others continents
As the video kept playing I was afraid you were not going to mention Todd at all, but alas 18:18 happened, praise be to the Todd!
Eastern Europe has the slowest replacement.
Roma will Take it
@@cogitoergosum9129not with the highest child mortality of the continent by far
that is a very low bar
No, Faroe Islands does.
@@jostnamane3951Wrong, they are being replaced Filipinos and Thais, if you know you know
I hope you will make a video on the West Balkans (Ex Yugoslavia + Albania).
No way we wrote the same comment 😳
Don't know about Greece, but trust me; Spain, Italy and Portugal will never die.
There are plenty of people with ancestry from those countries in the Americas, who are proud of where they came from and still keep their old culture.
@@lewishowe8349British people are decedents of Scandinavian, Germans, and French so they are ethnically mixed but still pure white
Yeah, but there's no solidarity, no identity.
I'm Portuguese Brazilian in one of the most Protuguese cities in the country(Belém) and still. Institiotions like the Gremio literario and Beneficence Portuguese are a reliq of the past.
I didn't think this to be a problem before, but now more and more the future makes itself to be very racialized. Yet, we, Portuguese, are still not moving.
Portugal would rather import Muslims than us.
@@ghfudrs93uuu Só é português se for branco Doutor
Shouldn't we extrapolate today's trends to the end? Not so long ago, everyone was shouting about global overpopulation...
Resource management is something we have seriously struggled with.
europe (central europe) is overpopulated so incase some supply and pricing of critical human needs products changes, they are in trouble like electric price winter 2022/23. we are likely to see shocks like that more.
The concern about overpopulation only ever applied to the third world (where overpopulation remains a very real possibility), because it was assumed that birthrates in those countries would never decrease (although now they are). Demographers were never worried about overpopulation in the first world, where birthrates have been low for a long time, but they always assumed there was a floor. They never predicted that birthrates would fall anywhere near as low as they are now and continue to fall lower each year, and that's why people are only now getting scared about it. Population decline has always been the real threat to the West, but until recently we could get away with ignoring it.
@@hydromic2518we did fine
@@effexon Central europe yes italy was able to disersify sources but germany lost the advantage in low energy prices over italy and germany along italy are europe 1st and 2nd industriial powers of the continent
It's sad to hear this. I am polish but I was always fascinated by southern european countries and especially their traditional culture.
Your country is not going anywhere as the young women go for Civic Platform and Lewica
I was born in Spain but I have the polish citizenship since my father is polish and Poland makes it so that all of the descendants of Polish citizens also have the citizenship. I am fascinated as well with your culture, I'm going to Poland this summer and I'll probably try to live there once I have enough money to find a house there.
Keep up your work ! You are the only western(thats a compliment for you, mr. ex soviet Czech :) ) on the internet who is fully aware of demographic realities.
Bytheway Would you like to make video about imigtration/emigration and its ethnic and demographic effects in Russia I was personally shocked after seeing how Russia is currently repopulating Maruipol and its newly conquered lands. I mean everyone initially thought that Russia's goal was to strenghthen her Slavic demographics right huh ?
Teşekkürler.
Russia is anti-Russian, good morning. Why do they call it mnogonazionalnaya strana (polyNATIONal country, not polyethnic)? It cares not about the passive majority. The goal is to balance out aka reduce anything related to (incl. the number of) the ethnic Russians, to amalgamate, to alienate so this "field of experiments" stays in the hands of the current rulers and their j masters, at least for the time being. It's funny that you as a Turk are not aware of that.
Calling someone western I’d compliment now? Looking at the state of majority of so called western countries I would doubt it.
Also, Czech Republic was never soviet.
Thank you very much!
Southern Europe looks more like the Maghreb nowadays.
For a slow animal, I sure see you around everywhere.
There are way more immigrants in northern Europe than southern
This terminally online troll again
@@traumvonhaitinothing? Hahahahahhhaa
You don't live under the EU, a literal ZOG puppet of the US.
Back to the old days before the Spanish kicked out all non whites in the 1500s
I was in Naples recently. It is a poverty ridden shithole. It shocked me, tbh how ppl live there.
Southern Italy has been neglected and stagnant since the fall of the Western Roman Empire.
This is common knowledge about Italy. Even northerners look down on southerners for their poverty, corruption and lack of education in Italy. Some even say south Italy isn’t part of Europe but part of Africa.
To be fair, South Italy has been neglected for centuries
@@Brakka86 Naples has always been like this dude 😂
@@Sceptonic It was only rich during the Roman and Greek times.
As an Italian I think that the main reason for our low fertility is what you start discussing at 15:10 and, with this respect, I'd like to add that in more traditional societies partner choice was mediated and arranged by families: singlehood was therefore a rarity. What has been happening in Italy for the last decades is a transitional phase from a fully traditionalist society to a modern one, where women have not however fully emancipated. Unlike 50 years ago, women have the power in partner choice but are unable of using it well because of the aforementioned transitional situation we've been experiencing: generally speaking, Italian women embrace some modern aspects but at the same time do not reject some traditional ones.This attitude creates in us young males a huge confusion, as we don't know how to navigate this complexity. Such situation is even harder for introverts (like me, lol) who, for obvious reasons, have lower chances of meeting people, potential partners included. As Italy is generally known to be an extroverted country, Italian introverts have a harder time when having to deal with extroverts, and this is the also the case for partner selection, which just doesn't happen or miserably fails after many attempts. If you want to find out more about what I said, you can check Apostolou's work about "involuntary singlehood".
grande spunto di riflessione
I stopped watching as soon as you said housing is affordable. How the hell did you come to that conclusion?
Working 30+ years to pay for a two bedroom apartment is NOT affordable, this is not what our parents paid. I'm from Albania, my father bought the apt I was raised in for 24k Dollars in 2000. The average wage then was 400 dollars per month, so we're talking about 6 years salary. Prices now in the same area are 200k Euro but the wages have barely increased. Real wages in Italy and most of southern Europe have actually gone down, cost of living is higher.
So yeah, it is housing and everything else.
Do better research next time!
Good video, but one issue is missing. Emigration was massive in Portugal and, I imagine for Greece as well. During the 90's and 2000's large chunks of the Portuguese youth went to work abroad as manual laborers, mostly on the EU and in Switzerland. I imagine the abnormally low rural fertility is due to this, as such emigration was more prevalent amoung young men at these areas, leaving their now elderly parents at the rural vilages.
right, but didnt explain spanish situation btw
I saw a statistic recently that said something like 30% of Portuguese people between the ages of 25-34 or something do not live in Portugal. So even if Portuguese young people are having children, a big proportion of them are having their kids in Germany or the UK instead.
I am one of those kids although I am not ethnically Portuguese so I don’t feel any guilt xD I really miss the weather and landscape in Portugal though so i come back every winter. I would prefer to raise a child in Portugal than Berlin where I currently live.
actually in the 90s things in Greece looked generally good, and we had a huge wave of immigrants coming from Albania and other countries of the former eastern block
I'm from Sevilla, 25 years old, 4 languages and one double major degree: can't find a good job and can only dream of living by myself, it's impossible. I am leaving to live in Asia next month, it feels like the situation here is hoopeless. I know I'm a bit pesmisitic, but it really seems that this is going to explode in the near future. You can't expect that huge amount of people to have the minimum wage of their region to live by... When you see that Spain has around 36k euros of average salary, why is that number even displayed? Coulndn't be farther from the truth... I know no one in my circle that earns that much... I love Andalucía, but I need to say hasta luego 💔
This channel is whatifalthist used to be
Oh he was more of an informative channel before ? I checked out his channel recently and it's just generic doomer christian right-wing propaganda.
Indeed
It’s that minus the massive ego
How is he now? 😛
@@luis-u8lwithout the ego and the USA superiority complex
Been waiting for this video for a while.
From my personal experience having lived in Greece my whole life, the situation is very very bad.
In many places in the country, ethnically Greek kids below 10 are such an infrequent sight that they're basically rare pokemons.
That said, I firmly believe that we're not past the point of no return. We are however going through it. What we do now will decide our fate.
Ultimately, I'm whitepilled. What we're going through is sn incredibly tough transitional period that many north western countries never had to go through. I believe the situation will eventually stabilize, and for all we know an age of prosperity and baby making awaits us.
I don't think baby-making is coming in the future. Besides the echonomic conditions, people simply don't want to have kids. I wouldn't have kids even if I had all the money in the world.
@@robertofernandez7178 And you won't have kids. Which means your biological predestination to have kids will be gone when you're gone, which means the future generations will be more and more resilient to these vulnerabilities, and will be more likely to want & have children.
Bros I live in Greece, born here. I live in an island, and it is indeed filled with boomers who make money off rent or pension. And there are no young people to hire for manual labour.
But I still feel so hopeful regardless. Because the goverment (via banks) is intentionally suppressing everyone and everything, but if lifted, things would be comfy. This is the default state. Now imagine if there was a based nationalist goverment, and as a result, (economic) prosperity. All problems here vanish.
I think Italian and Greek politician are pushing towards tourist attraction, making our country just a theme park basically
It's just like what that fiction book reverend insanity says as well.
poor people have more kids than rich people, it's not about money.
@@acuerdoxWrong, uneducated people together with religious people have more kids.
@@acuerdox No they do not. Non-industrialized parts of the population produce more offspring than urban communities, and they tend to be poor as they live in lesser industrialized areas. Because on a farmland, more children means more extra labour, in an urban society , a kid means a liability, here they allocation of financial resources of a supporting organization like the state becomes necessary. In greece the popluation was growing until the crisis hit in 2012. European governments have all the tools to change the negative population trends, but they will only do it, if it becomes really necessary, and at the momnet, european countries can sustain their economies without a steady growth of population, thats why nothing is happening in that regard
America is blessed to border Latin America. Most immigrants coming to the US are Latin Americans, the descendants of white Spaniards+natives with a culture that’s very similar to South Western European
So the US is basically getting half white immigrants who are at least somewhat culturally similar to us and speak Spanish, the second most used language in America. While Europe gets mostly Arabs and Africans who are not white at all and have a very different culture and religion. It’s also much more difficult to assimilate Arabs because most of them are hardline Muslims. Arabs and Africans grow up in very different cultures and environments as compared to Europeans or North/South Americans
I agree. South Americans and Mexicans I believe share very similar values with US citizens. The ones that are able to migrate here usually have a drive to integrate into the workforce and society. The US is so much closer to Mexico and parts of South America than people think, after all, the US is apart of the Americas and with that comes getting to know our neighbors down south. The US in the coming decades will eventually have Spanish as their second official language imo.
Latin American fertility is drying up
Coastal North Africans, and Middle Easterners from fertile crescent are kinda white,
But Peninsular Arabs, Bedouins and inner inhabitants of North Africa not really,
This doesn't really matter as they usually come from an Arabic culture, but luckily enough, 40% of European Arabs are Christian which means immigrants can indeed assimilate
You're wrong for a couple of reasons.
First, fertility rates in Latin America are not much higher than those of the US. The United States has a 1.66 fertility rate, while Mexico for example has 1.82, and some like Chile are lower than the US. The well will dry up eventually.
Second, you're also wrong about saying most come to the US. Indians have become a huge source of migrations, as have Africans, Caribbeans (not Latino ones), and other Asians like Filipinos and Chinese. Indians especially seem to be flooding the entire western world. While Pakis get the brunt of the hate in the UK, Canada already has begun turning on its Indian population. I think soon that will start in the US, as Indians continue to flood our borders.
But yes, if all immigration was only from Latin America it would be fine, but as they continue to develop, their migration rates have reduced, while the rest of the world's has increased. Soon North America will become India again, but dotted Indian, not feather.
@@lucaslevinsky8802 America's obsession with importing every white ethnic group has screwed over the progenitor demographic of the USA who literally created the nation. And that demographic is people of British Isles and northern France ancestry. They got their creations hijacked and sometimes weaponized against them.
Gene pools matter and it's shaped by 1000s of years of history. Germans, Scandinavians, Slavic, are radically different from the Irish, scots and English at the elite level, especially when it comes to innovation. Irish and Scots have lots of red heads which has a legendary history.
We are not the same. It was all one big lie. We are not even the same among Northern European ethnic groups.
In Portugal we are 10M people and about 2M non Portuguese people.
As a Portuguese, I despise this.
As a Portuguese, this issue is very frightening.
As I grow older I tend to appreciate my culture more and more, which I disregarded ever since I was a kid because I always liked STEM so much more.
Regardless, I have always been very unsatisfied with my government (I think all south euopeans can relate) because it's corrupt to hell and back and it poorly manages taxes. Here in Portugal, people spend about 40-50% of their income in taxes. Still, public transportation outside of the city centres in Lisbon and Porto sucks, even in the surounding peripheries. Public hospitals are a mess and they often lack doctors and nurses to respond to the demanded care (I always laugh that, even though we were years under a socialist government, people who can afford it still pay private health insurance out of precaution). Public schools in the metropolitan areas are in shambles (the school I attended had mold and cracks on the walls lol) and some schools don't even have enough teachers, meaning there are kids that literally sit country-wide exams without having classes.
Salaries are of course low when compared to the rest of Europe, which wouldn't be that big of a deal if inflation were not raising the cost of living considerably, coupled with the high ammount of taxes we pay and the absurd rent costs in the metropolitan areas (where most jobs are anyways).
Just like everyone in my age group, I was told to emmigrate because of better opportunities, and I did. I completed my bachelor in Portugal but now I'm doing a master's degree in Belgium and I genuinely find it really hard to come up with a good reason to come back to Portugal. The cost of living is, of course, much higher than in Portugal, but salaries definitely make up for it. Plus, hospitals and public transportation actually work (at least when compared to Portugal). It's no surprise the Portuguese are going extinct. Our government does not value its youth and consistently delays any support to it.
I would still love to someday come back and try to help my country when I am in a better position, but honnestly I don't know how.
Não Vai Estar Por Muito Tempo ( Portugal ) 😢 eu Penso como Tu e Olha Foi Empurrada Pela Minha Família Sair de Portugal, Agora Estou na Grécia a Trabalhar com um Salário que Compesa 🥲🤍
Mas Portugal Sempre Será a Nossa Casinha 🇵🇹❤️
The change was primarily liberalization of housing and building of a massive housing speculative bubble for decades. If you can't afford a "casa" (house or home), you can't afford "casarte" (marry), which at least in Spanish is a derived term and literally means "to establish a home". You're under-valuing the massive "socialist" praxis of fascism or in general of Keynesian regimes until the 70s or rather 80s, which included state intervention of "strategical" industries (i.e. everything that was somewhat meaningful in terms of GDP, from metallurgy to telecommunications, from car-making to energy, etc.), "vertical trade unions" (which ensured capitalist "social peace" by making mild but still important concesions to worker demands) and protection of family by means of cheap housing rents, which were for life and basically didn't increase in price at all.
The housing bubble, coupled with mediocre salaries, made us all terribly poor. Under fascism, salaries were bad but at least the cost of life was low, under democracy, salaries rose only somewhat while the cost of life skyrocketed. Something has to give and that is family, reproduction.
Cultural factors are at best adjacent.
In Portugal the urban fertility is higher because of two factors: 1- Imigrants tend to have more children, and they are concentrated in the cities. 2- Cities have a more advance GDP per capita, ambling parents who have more money to have more childern, like two, or even tree.
yes. this 1.5 fertility is already reflecting imigration like those who became citizens... REAL birth rate of REAL ancestral Portugueses is .000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
I am a Mexican and from reading the comments here I have to say Spain isn't going to pull out of its death spiral by leaning on us - Latin Americans. Why would anyone who isn't desperate like refugees want to cross the pond and go to a country where there isn't any social mobility, is on an economic downturn brought on because of its aging population and is strangled by EU policy.
I could return to Mexico, specifically Monterey and get a tech sector job. You want agricultural laborers to work in Andalusia and low wage workers to man your low paying city jobs but thats not gonna happen because they all go to the US. Even then people on my level that is highly educated LATAMs would much rather work in the US because Americans take working seriously they don't dick around. They're not Flâneur like Europeans. Spain isn't a "trains on time" kinda country that's one of the most serious indictments of Spain its terrible bureaucracy government and private.
I rather take my money and labor and invest it in Miami, Latam friendly city that is becomimg a hub for Latin American companies and has the cultural institutions to support a functioning and profitable Latin American company.
Lets be real.
Spanish Men and Women have to stop, get serious push out leftists from power, reform society - not just government - into a country of workers and not of European princesas living off the state and meandering.
Addition: Living off the state incurs heavy penalties. Yes a proportion of your life is subsidized and you have a safety net but with more migrants that take more and give nothing that safety net withers - which is happening in the UK with its NHS. You as a consequence is left with pocket change good for consuming petty commodities instead of opening enterprises that would otherwise stimulate the Spanish economy and lead to a stable nation where child rearing is possible and generation wealth could be accrued.
By taking from the state you are cannibalizing the future of the unborn which is a lesson Americans are learning with their own aging population.
Soy español y me gusta tu comentario. Se nota que sabes de lo que hablas. España es un desastre y no tiene buena pinta. Pero los españoles están engañados, aunque también tienen un grado de complicidad en todo esto.
@@joseluis-mf1yj España no es un pais donde el joven español sale de la universidad, trabaja unos años, ahorra sus euros, empieza una empresa, hace buen dineral, se case y tenga hijos. Todo el sistema por virtud de ser parte de la Union Europea es antitético a obtener libertad económica que necesitas para ser parte de la clase mediana (burges) whatever, y tener una vida estable que promueve la vida familiar. No ayuda que el gobierno esta permitiendo extranjeros perfectos entrar a España y quitarle comida de la boca a los naturales de España.
Impuestos, política doméstica e extranjera (U.E), cultura, habito. Todo conspira contra los Españoles jóvenes
Los mexicanos tienen suerte de tener a usa al lado , creeme que para un venezolano, colombiano o argentino España es mejor opción para tratar de salir adelante, y si no funciona te dan la nacionalidad española a los 2 años y puedes ir a otro país como español.
Someone is still sore with the outcome of the recent Mexican election 🤣🤣
@@lvpb13 Not really. I'm not a PRIsta nor am I a MORENA supporter nor a PANista. I'm just a guy who recognizes that you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Something that stood out to me when I visited Italy was that none of the towns or cities outside of the main ones that I visited had many people at all, and the ones that were there, were all old. Also, I only saw maybe two women pushing a stroller over the course of being there for two months.
In Spain is even worse haha, the density of population is less than in Italy. If you come here you can see desert and villages with just 3 old poeple.
I think in the end, Europe's ethnic groups would just coalesce into a blurry, "European" ethnic group made in the image of Americans by the end of the 2200s certainly but maybe as early as the 2100s.
very scary and darak, tell me more about it
Looking at it now it is a very probable outcome and one that I dread to accept.
@@orange_blossom1 Nope. By then genetic engineering will be a thing. Such a future can already be prevented by tactical use of sperm banks. I would pay women, including migrant women, double the child benefit if they get fertilized at a sperm bank. The ancestry of the genetically gifted sperm donor would match the homeland or progenitor of the nation. So in England, it would be someone of British Isles ancestry. Repeat this for a couple generations, and a non-native's women bloodline will basically convert to the native bloodline with some barely noticeable mystery meat after 3-4 generations.
Homogenization is a failed idea, it will never happen. Innovation alone was going to prevent it from happening.
It wont even be that. It will be mixed ray ce.
no it wont the differences are too big soon it will become noticeable again as the eu tries to federalise and people will remember why their countries exist as things they take for granted get banned
Iceland has 0.3 million inhabitants and it is wealthier than Germany, whcih has 84 million. So apparently you do not need big populations to have high GDP per capita. Greetings from Greece.
Is that your expert evaluation? Every country (especially in the post-industrial era) is dependent on its natural resources and how it can spin them into supporting the home population and providing high value exports.Countries like Iceland and Norway are rich because of a combination of a small population, the greatest variety and volume of essential and lucrative natural resources, globally and the fact that their climate is so unattractive that, especially Iceland, will only ever be a country holidaymakers want to visit and will not attract illegal immigration.*It is also much easier to develop lucrative and successful systems in countries with smaller populations and decent natural resources, than much larger countries with greater population.We know this because larger countries have tried to implement systems highly successful in Scandinavia and Canada (30 years ago Canada), but have found much more problems and issues are encountered at greater scale
*most countries are not so privileged
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"Every country (especially in the post-industrial era) is dependent on its natural resources" - if statements such as "every country were dependent on their natural resources" were true, then the whole of Europe would be the poorest continent of the world, and Africa the wealthiest, since Europe has almost zero natural resources, and Africa is full of them. So I am sorry, but at least until the year 2024, there are more important factors, such as creating new technology from nothing, and using it in optimal ways, and other such economic phenomena.
"Countries like Iceland and Norway are rich because of a combination of a small population" - the city of Lamia, Greece, where I grew up, has 50k inhabitants. Why is Lamia less wealthy than the United States of America, which have ~336 million inhabitants? Why do you believe that the smaller the population, the wealthier the region is. This is not true. The correlation between population size, and GDP per capita is near zero.
"the greatest variety and volume of essential and lucrative natural resources" - Africa has more resources than Iceland and Norway. Also in very small countries. Why is it not the wealthiest place on the planet? Your belief is an illusion of your mind. Please forget it.
"the fact that their climate is so unattractive " - compared to which climate(s) are Iceland's and Norway's climates unattractive exactly? As agreek person, I find their climates the most attractive in the world.
"It is also much easier to develop lucrative and successful systems in countries with smaller populations " - evidence? I observe that the US is one of the wealthiest and most developed countries in history.
What kind of systems were tried to be implemented in scandinavian countries and Canada that did not work exactly?
As an Italian, this ofc makes me really sad, but I understand that peoples go extinct as well as being born. Just looking at our peninsula, we had Etruscans, Samnites, Cisalpine Gauls, Sicani, Romans etc. and they're all gone, all that survives of them are their heritage and some parts of their cultures still sticking around today. We all knew that one day it would be the Italians' time too, same for the Spanish, Portughese and Greeks, with populations such as Iberians, Celtiberians, Minoans, Miceneans etc. all going away. It is normal, but like with the other exctinct peoples, parts of our cultures will endure in the next peoples to inhabit those areas, since I doubt fertile and rich lands such as Iberia, Italy and Greece will ever be uninhabited. I just hope whoever follows us will learn from our failures.
10:56 In Portugal's case, while there are probably those who do it on purpose, the majority of the adult population still living with their parents is due to low wages and high housing prices, Im talking about the average salary in Portugal being 1368€ (2022) and the houses cost 80k to 100k or more
Edit: those 80k are either very isolated houses or very old (pretty much destroyed) houses, average houses/apartments are 300k and upwards
You could have chosen the 2010's white pill Georgia. From 2007 it's fertility rate significantly increased and for 5-6 years it's fertility rate went above replacement rate. Since 2021-2022 it has also significantly fallen, in my opinion due to COVID lockdowns & social fear and fallout from the war in Ukraine, however European countries should look at the Georgia example.
I am a doomer when it comes to Greece, I know the Greek people and I know that this will not be easy to reverse as Greeks are a stubborn people unable to actually work with one another even as they claim unity. Having said that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, Greece is currently going through a weird political shift where our left wing has both failed the nation and is split in hard, and our right wing has alienated the traditionalist right. Hopefully this means a change in the political system that could result in a correction of Greece's current problems such as the tax system and the centralization of the economy into big cities. I can be hopeful even though I see the doom of my nation.
I read in college that someone described Greece this way: Greece is the cradle of democracy, but in Greece, democracy is still in the cradle.
Φίλε εμείς που αγαπάμε την Ελλάδα θα είμαστε πάντα εδώ για αυτήν
H ELLADA POTE DEN PETHAINEI
Two questions
1) what is doomer?
2)what makes you think that Mitsotakis even cares?
There is no right wing, we have left wing and slightly less left wing
Europe need to does Ruralzation.
That grammar though.
Flip Flop Joe
I don't understand what you wrote
You need to improve your English first
Ruralization will absolutely destroy what Europe has been doing for the past 2 centuries
@@BlazingFlame69 that's what (at least some) pronatalist people want i.e. ruralization and more religiousity so.......
And now we return to th usual programming
I'm half German and half Spanish, I can tell you from my experience and observations the problems associated with uncontrolled mass immigration is far worse in Germany than Spain.
Spain does not only have the advantage to assimiliate people with a similar cultures from two continents, but also is generally easier to integrate into, because of cultural warmth compared to for example Germany.
I totally agree. I am from Munich, but I have moved to Spain over 5 years ago.
Much better culture for integración. Making friends and dating is easy, if you speak fluent Spanish!!
In Germany people stock to their immigrant subcultures
This is incorrect, you’re assuming Latin Americans are similar to Spaniards when they’re not really. They’re ethnically quite different and cause a lot of problems with crime. Not to mention the tons of North Africans in Spain
Modernity, feminism, nihilism and consumerism are nails to European coffin.
Free market capitalism is the biggest and only nail
23:00 Its not like they are that woke for troll's remorse, HispanoAmerican culture is not that far from Spanish one, also since the genetical imprint from spain is quite massive, there are familial bonds that never quite faded. It's not that hard for a Mexican or Argentinian to adapt to Spain and vice versa.
"I think that the fertility rate problem is more linked to incentives than anything else. In some countries life standards and ethic changed so much that they prefere to feed their ego rather than their childrens. Nations are going to be extint if trajectories don’t change but most of them are not taking care of this problem."
Deez countries have more tourists than natives 😂
When it comes to Portugal, the two major cities, Lisbon and Porto, yes.
Spain is the second most visited country hahaha, after France, and over USA, Mexico, Italy or Turkey. I am from Spain.
That should make a good economy for locals which in turn make citizen make love and and producing baby 🤨
My biggest worry on this issue, as a Latin American, is that western Europe try to suck our people like they did to eastern Europe, which would be horrible for our own complex demographics. Hopefully, though, we have a better decade economically in the 2020s than we had in the 2010s and this madness of an exodus to Europe stops (it's very weird in a historical context, at least for Brazil, Argentina and others). I think this is perfectly doable, as we see with Chile now and our own countries in the 2000s, you don't need to be that well off for people not to leave
I doubt that will happen. If you are purposefully trying to collapse a country the worst you can do is invite smart, hardworking, medicated and culturally similar peoples.
That's why they make it so hard for us they don't want us because they want the decline not to stop it
Estáis muertos, solo que aún no os habéis enterado
@@freshtv7849 we are not, maybe yall are though
The US are already doing it since the 90's
@@duduchannel6729The US does that but to the carribean coast mostly, not to South America. But you are right.
For men urbanisation has been the biggest hit to our end of the fertility equation. On the farm more kids is more workers abd more wealth. In the city its higher costs and less wealth.
For women the biggest hit to their end of the fertility equation has been capitalism. In a comunity system women have the logistical support systems they need to have children when they are most able. In a capital system they have enough resources to have children about mid career.
in modern societies with no industry where everything comes in boxes from china by aliexpress there is no more need for men ... they could just donate the sperm to a tank and die and western societies would continue to exist with nice smarphones coming from china. WESTERN MEN ARE EXTINCT and they did it to themselves
So to sum up: higher percentage of women accesing higher education and working, and "democracy" are leading to the end of whole civilizations. And the solution for surviving is authoritarian regimes. Thank you, you proved my points
And Marxism and modernity are also synonym for destruction of population. Again thank you
23:04 because ad you mentioned the immigrations comes mainly from South America, that’s why there is no backlash (same culture, same religion)
there is a lot of backlash but moroccans just get more, latino gangs are common nowadays
Portuguese population in 1422 ~1M, and we managed to discover the navigation routes to half of the world. At the moment we are over 10M and this country seams dead.
World population in 1400 was around 350 million. Now it is 8.1 Billion. From 1/350 to 1 in
Im glad someone is covering this. Although we have no authority that will correct any of this. Truly in end times once 70% of the worlds population is over 65 years old - or something like that.
Italy to the rest: “first time?”
Japan and S. Korea: Hold my sake/kimchi
My theory about it is very controversial: europeans needs struggle, needs war and difficulties to overcome.
The west is in decline due how easy is living here.
We became weak.
Another factor is how uncontrolled is the sexuality and the lifestyle that promotes a consumist approach to relationships and sex in general.
Did the war help Ukraine and Russia with their demographics?
You're like 14 man get out
@@Axelwayne12 that's barely a war
He means total war like ww2
Ukraine war is a small localized conflict
I have a even more controversial theory but youtube will just ban me if I tell you
If these difficulties appear, who do you think are more likely to push past it and improve? The "weak europeans" or the immigrants who are already used to difficulties?
Funny to see Barcelona protesting against tourists but no mention of immigration.
Because half of them are immigrants
Immigration isn't a solution to population woes. Mass Immigration only:
Degrades your culture: see Germany, Sweden, and England.
And then any population gains are lost in a generation.
So home cost skyrocket, culture lost, no real gains in population beyond the first generation.
US want to keep EU down. To have in EU most worst possible situation- It is strategic interest of US to not have strong EU
Especially to prevent Russian resources and EU technology
This is so sad, but the sadness was expedited by, I kid you not, Radiohead's "No Surprises" starting to play the exact moment the conclusion section began. I thought that it was edited in, but my Spotify somehow aligned the perfect song to play at the perfect time.
Ethnicity is also a very important factor. If I, as an ethnicity, go in someone's city in large numbers and reproduce with average rate of 3-6 children per woman, things will not go well neither for statistics nor for the local population.
Italian here, i'd say that the prevalent reason is the rapid cultural modernization, at least of my country, we passed from a strongly traditional society into a completely modern culture quickly and with progressive ideas legitimized by fascism, possibily a similar situation as with Germany but pair this with a weak economy where salaries are among the lowest in western Europe, finding a job as a worker is a nightmare and hiring someone as an entrepreneur is even worse, there's so much burocracy and so many protections that hiring someone as a small business (so most of italian economy) basically means to adopt him into the family, many just choose to not hire and make do with what one can do alone, plus, i shit you not, 50% of the cost of a worker just goes to the state in taxes halving the worker's salary
In Spain we also have lived a dictatorship and it finished in 1975, more recently than Italy. Spain suffer the same as Italy in terms of modernization. Also, the salary per hour in 2023 of Spain is 18,2€, whereas in Italy is 21,5€. Compared to Portugal or Greece, we are better, however, compared to France or Germany, we are worse. So, Spain and Italt I always believe that are countries with similar economic situation. We also get independent from our parents in our 30' or later. We depend a lot on tourism, that is why COVID affected our economy so much. Young people are very pessimistic about their future, and most want to leave the country to find work.
@adaalonso hi latin brother/sister, your dictatorship is more recent yes, but I'd say it's also "less impactful" in the sense that Franchism was a military dictatorship yeah, but it wasn't totalitarian and it didn't bring Spain into a world war like fascism did, I don't know a lot about it but I think its legacy can be more easily defended or at least more difficult to stigmatize, in Italy instead the dictatorship was catastrophic so every idea connected to it can easily be deemed harmful. For the economy instead i'd say Spain is a little worse now, but it has more growing capacity, Italy instead has a saturated economic situation since its economic activities are mostly micro and small scale. The family-run ice cream shop and minimarket are nice but being small scale they aren't very productive and can't pay the workers wages as high as North European countries, so people emigrate, either we completely change our economic system or the decline will continue.
I'm interested in the political and economic situation of Spain though, I can't manage to find that much information about it and i'd like to know more if you can help, if the problems are similar we could copy you if you'll find solutions, i don't trust our people to manage those problems any time soon.
@@Baghdad56 The consequences of the dictatorship were much worse than what is thought outside the country. Since Franco isolated Spain for a long time, and if it were not for the fact that he did not want to participate in World War II, Spain would have also entered. Although the ideologies are not as radical as those of Mussolini, in Spain there is still debate about fascism, and I even think it is less censored than in Italy or Germany, even though the ideas were also extremist. Because of Franco and the fact that the dictatorship ended so late, Spain was far behind other countries in terms of modernization. As for corruption, I know that Italy is very famous for suffering from this problem, but Spain is not far behind either. The politicians and the economic situation are quite bad, perhaps not as bad as Greece, but almost Portugal has surpassed us in other aspects.
Here private companies look for cheap labor, the self-employed do not prosper because they are overtaxed, and the majority of young people either want to be a state official or leave the country. The problem is that there are few places to get it, there are the same old people as always occupying the positions that thousands of young people could occupy and who are better qualified. For example, doctors here require a lot of preparation, very difficult exams to access, and then they barely have a place to earn a good salary, which is why they go to other countries where they are better valued. The birth rate is also very low because there is hardly any money to become independent, much less to start a family. The pension system is unsustainable, since there are too many older people collecting pensions for so few young people who are contributing. We depend a lot on tourism (Spain is the second most visited country in the world), and we have fewer competent brands compared to Italy (Gucci, Lamborghini, Ferrari...). Yes we have potential, in the sense that people are well prepared and qualified, and we have resources, but there is not work for everyone. Temporary contracts are what is most prevalent in Spain, especially in hospitality, but someone who has invested so much in studying a career deserves better than being a waiter for a shitty salary. Politicians, regardless of their party, hardly differ from each other in terms of the changes they want to make. People are quite fed up with immigration, especially from Africa, because other ethnicities are welcomed.
Spain also has a basic economic problem, and no party is willing to create a new one because playing it safe and continuing to make money is what they prefer. Unlike other countries, politicians here have lifetime salaries. Spain is not as bureaucratic as Italy, but it also has enough of it. In education and access to public positions we also continue to be very traditional, with entrance tests that only consist of memorizing many topics, but do not evaluate critical thinking. Our level of English is one of the worst in Europe, just like Italy. Older people have life figured out, but young people have no future here
As a Canadian I wouldn't mind immigration either if the majority was coming from the USA, UK, Australia, and New Zealand as Latin Americans are moving to Spain.
only people who want to live in Canada are third worlders lol.
The only people who want to immigrate to Canada these days is Indians. Good thing is there's about 1.5 billion left still who haven't immigrated to Canada.
As person from one of these countries with friends from all of these countries here is what I am going to tell you . If the living conditions were more prosperous for young average locals , these countries populations wouldn’t be declining but rather blooming.
Portuguese here. Right now the population is being actively replaced by people from Africa, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Crimes are rising day by day (and yes mainly because of immigrants), our police is useless, laws are tailored for criminals, violence towards women are on the rise (even yesterday a girl got raped by an Uber driver and 2 of his friends, they were from Bangladesh) ... Day by day I think about moving away and relinquish my Lusitanian nationality. Portugal is no longer Portugal.
"and yes mainly because of immigrants" you have absolutely no evidence for this.
@@algernonsidney8746 we have witness account on all the news channels. We can see them literally harassing girls on the street every freaking day. That's my evidence, being a witness to this every single day.
Yes there is, just check any immigration graphs and compare them with European crime graphs. Crime has been on the rise ever since the third world began to invade europe
Do you need a study and statistics, when it is so fucking obvious to the eye. I am "only" 31, but old enough to recognize huge changes (not only negative, but mostly) in our European cities just within the last 10-15 years.
@@johannesaigner8501 if he needs numbers I can give numbers for the last 10 years. In 2014 the immigrant percentage was around 3%, this has been steadily increasing around 1% per year and it's around 10% now, because of this our services that give green cards are so full that the majority of immigrants arriving need to wait years to get their green cards so the real number is way more than 10%, this numbers also don't include the sons of immigrants that have been born here, and don't include people that have acquired the Portuguese nationality. 10% of any country is a lot, but for a country as small as Portugal this is way noticeable because our population is just 10 million. For more info checkout the sources: SEF (Serviço de Estrangeiros e Fronteiras), PORDATA and INE (Instituto Nacional de Estatística).
Lot of the kids are moving towards other countries in the EU, Canada, or US. No reason to stay in a place where there is no opportunity.
13:41 I can't safely speak for the other countries, but for Greece, this is certainly a more recent phenomenon, mostly occurring after WW2. Since the countryside was devastated many villages were abandoned. And also the state never seriously took care of the countryside so younger people would always move to the city every generation. This, on top of transportation being difficult (mountainous terrain and many islands) made a lot of people just abandon the countryside, to the point where it's not even economically viable. Thus, people no longer stay there or have families. Also, the immense influence of Athens in cultural life (around 40% of the population lives here) has made it so people across the country live in a mostly "urban-style" cultural settlement. There's very little difference nowadays between the youth of the city and that of the countryside
It's sad to see nationd which such a rich history and culture dying out. God knows when the suffering of these countries will end and reach the age of prosperity.
Btw, tu máš prachy na čínskou polívku.
@@traumvonhaiti I'm talking about demografics, not about economy.
Thank you very much!
It will be interesting to see how these countries handle "free" healthcare and pensions when they get to the point where there is one worker for each retiree. The op said there was not a relationship between the fertility rate and housing prices, but I am not sure that is accurate. There are towns being abandoned in these countries as the young people move away and the remaining older population dies off, so fewer buyers in a world where there are the same number of houses will eventually drop housing prices.