@kaiserbauch9092 The collective sense of purpose you describe is simply a symptom of the breeding race that is naturally occurring between israelis and Palestinians... If you do a video on the Palestinians, I wonder what the values for the scientific markers of ethnic genocide/cleansing would be. I appreciate you stating your position on the Israeli/Palestinian issue but to be truly unbiased you would have to do a video on the Palestinians as well. My interest stems from the fact that I am Lebanese or in other words collateral damage in this idiotic conflict...
@@deborafernandes1026 I think it wildly unlikely: Israelis are sufficiently rooted in the modern world, to understand a basic truth: Israeli society NEEDS women to contribute to economic productivity and wealth creation. The more wealth-creating people you have, the more economically and militarily secure you are, as a country. If we are talking about a hypothetical future, 60-70 years from now, in which Haredi Jews demographically overwhelm the other types of Jews in the country (become, say, 60% of the Jewish population)... AND if we suppose that this future generation is so consumed by ideology that they vote in legal restrictions on women working - I would say Israel would have bigger problems than 'merely' having women removed from the workforce. No group of modern Jews (including modern-Orthodox) would consent to having their women forced into slave-like, second-class citizen status. Israel would move into factionalism and civil-war before that happened. The only ACTUAL way for Israeli society to remove (SOME) women from the workforce, would be through an ongoing process of 'soft' persuasion, with women themselves making their own decisions and leading (to other women) by example: "Ruth, do you believe that people are happier when men should have specific roles, and when women have specific roles - even if they shouldn't be mindlessly imposed on ALL people, ALL of the time?" "Yes, Naomi, I believe that." "Look around you and see who is doing what. Do you believe that you are likely to be emotionally fulfilled by looking back at your life 40 years from now, and having devoted the bulk of it to being CEO of Oracle, or by having devoted the bulk of it to being part of a family with children, and watching them grow? Which women that you know seem happier and which less so?"
@@deborafernandes1026 why don’t we look at the numbers?! If one would take away the ultra Orthodox Jews and settlers than Israeli fertility drops way more towards normal. Also a huge majority of growth of Israeli population is from immigration. Last but not least we all can see that Israel is already starting to struggle staying a democracy. And will become less and less democratic with every generation that will pass due to the growth of the extremely religious population. So in the long run exchange is Very simple - get high fertility and abandon democracy. But way before getting problems with democracy Israel is much more likely to economically crash due to the fact that huge and extremely fast growing community of people who are Not working (low labor participation among orthodox). None of the economic models can support capitalism and western level of consumption with African birthrate. Since Orthodox Jews political power is only growing (and doing so rapidly), of course economic reforms to adjust that are practically impossible and will become less and less possible with time. Thus the Orthodox Jews will use the democratic methods to destroy Israel as we know it from within.
You hit the nail on the head on the last point. Sub-consciously I feel like all Israelis think "my line didn't survive 2000 years of diaspora and reestablished our state only to end here"
I think this is it exactly. Israeli Jews don't see children as an "individual choice", it's continuing the Jewish nation for the future. And this is embued in every single one of them. That's admirable.
It's not only subconsciously, it's literally written in our declaration of independence that one of the goals of the country is to increase the Jewish population after the holocaust
As an Israeli it really feels like it, we have a huge young educated generation, while the current generation created a highly industrialized and developed economy, a huge high tech sector and great infrastructure. I’m a gay guy, and has two kids, and planning two more. Hopeful for the future of our only home.
@@matanamaras someone who goes to a college with a large Jewish population it is astounding how coordinated and energetic the Jewish youth is. Many of them went right to Washington after October 7th and they all clearly have a greater goal and purpose than themselves. They are all very well connected with one another due to constant action to meet and socialize and they take their culture seriously. Compare this with the Palestinian protesters who don’t even know the history behind the reason they’re protesting and who treated the protest like a joke to hang out with friends until the cops came to shut it down and it becomes abundantly clear which group is more organized and virile. There has been a complete breakdown in direction among the youth in the west and it appears like most of us are simply floundering around until the next crisis of the day comes around to polarize us.
One small point on the origins of Ashkenazis: we were primarily in Eastern Europe not because of the HRE, but because of Poland-Lithuania. They (as well as the Ottomans for Sephardic Jews) were the most tolerant society in Europe at the time, so Jews fleeing persecution in Western Europe (France, England, Germany) went to Poland Lithuania. This population was then all over Germany and Russia after the partition.
in various places what happened to half jews who were not jewish in religion and who were half anglo Saxon/German/etc. I know most countries ,empires etc did not persecute jews based on race ..forv example the Spanish Inquisition left catholic jews alone so its all really confusing
@@LeonGustaveStuart1899 No, that's actually the opposite of what happened. The inquisition ONLY persecuted Jews who converted to Christianity, since they didn't believe that their conversion was sincere. They had no authority over Jews who didn't convert.
@@LeonGustaveStuart1899 it shouldnt be confusing though. no one persecuted people based on "race" until pretty much hitler or so. european jews are half european too. the persecution back then was strictly religious/cultural
There is no evidence for that. Eastern European Jews are descendants of hazar Jews who converted to Judaism. The book of Shlomo Sand has enough evidence for that. During holocaust German Zionists ignored eastern Jews totally and even collaborated with Nazis as they considered them “wrong Jews” . Tomy Greenstein.
I remember hearing some years ago about a successful Isreali politician who ran on a platform of making sure than schools did not start before 8:00 in the morning making all parents very happy.
To be fair, there are multiple studies showing that teenagers' Circadian rhythms differ from most other age groups, and making them get up early for school is torture, and hurts their academic performance as well. Middle and secondary schools should ideally not start earlier than 10 a.m., though I don't know if this has been tried anywhere in the world.
I'm pretty sure the difference is in societal messaging, especially media and today social media. I would like to see a study/investigation into the difference in media messaging there vs other developed countries. In the West, the messaging is generally: "be irresponsible", "be promiscuous", "a family is a burden", "your career is more important than anything else", "having children is the worst thing that could happen to you", "having children is morally wrong bc the environment or something", etc. etc.
I agree, this "petty culture" which CNA be changed more or less in short periods of time, like the idea that having a family kids is the rule and then that being single is the rule, definitely has a lot of impact, as it moves the standard around which people behve
While a social media post can be astroturfed or promoted by the government or NGOs, it is generally a very grass-roots thing that spreads because it resonates. If the social media in your country is saying that a family is a burden or a marriage is unimportant, then it is probably already a culturally accepted view even before the social media. In the event that something really does not resonate (fat is beautiful), the effects are nil.
Honestly, looking around me, I see many broken families, abusive parents, absent parents, divorces, alcoholism, toxic relationships and it somewhat discourages me from having a meaningful relationship, let alone marry and have kids, even though I want to. We're an immigrant country, so it makes sense.
I'm not Israeli but I've been there. I'm not sure about the general societal message but Israel and Israelis didn’t seem to me particularly conservative people, maybe slightly more than westerners but if you visit Tel Aviv you'll see all the regular stuff that you'll see in any other Western city: sex, drugs, alcohol and parties, they even celebrate pride in Tel Aviv. It's just my humble opinion but I would add these three factors to explain why their birthrate is high. 1.Incentives: the Israeli government has quite a decent welfare and women have lots of benefits to have babies. 2. Survival: Like it or not Israel neighbors are either mildly or very hostile. This should give you even more incentives to have children. It's not only for selfush reasons. 3. Orthodox jews: they have an insanely high birthrate. I've seen women in their 30's with already 7 or 8 kids, and the government supports them as well.
If only this could be replicated in the Western global north countries, the Southern Cone of South America, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan with Affordable Housing/Pro-Large family natalist* cultural outlook then it would be awesome. I have really never heard of secular women having 5 children so that's interesting. Thanks for sharing.
As someone with family in Israel (Tel Aviv) and with a young child myself some observations: 1. People like children. As opposed to the country where i live (NLD), where people actually seem to hate children and see them as a burden. 2. Playgrounds everywhere. 3. Daycare costs are lower than in my country, even though everything else is 1,5-2x more expensive However there are more countries with these features which have low(er) fertility - Italy or Canada. I think what really makes the difference: nationalism and a "good economy" (better for young people than southern europe for example).
@@SHVRWK These countries you mentioned only have GDP, but not a family friendly economy, which was what OP meant when he said good economy. Cost of living, cost of housing, taxes, family friendly corporate culture etc. These things
But Israel doesn’t necessarily have a good economy either. I mean does anyone not remember the mass protests in Israel before Oct 7th? They weren’t just driven by the political crisis but economic as well. There are many videos on TH-cam going into detail over Israel’s economic crisis if you wanna check it out.
Hi i am an Israeli and what you said is 100% correct you did a great job while trying to understand Israeli demographics even for me it took years to understand it ❤
In the US we have Amish, Mennonites, and Hasidic Jews (they're mostly in NYC) that have about 7 kids per women and we also have Mormons and Hutterites that have about 3 but they makeup a small minority of the US population so our birthrate is still a meager 1.7, I plan on having at least 2 kids (maybe more depends on who I marry) so I'll do my part
Actually - not. The majority group (about half) has a sub replacement fertility rate. Thus - if you are none religious you die out. As simple as that! The more religious and (on average) less democratic Israelis are the less children they have. Thus generalising somewhat it can be said - Israel is exchanging democracy for high fertility rate.
@@jammmy30 Perhaps, but it is worth noting that more religious groupings of Jewish denominations account for just above 15% of Israel's population, and I don't think it would be ridiculous to assume that many of the children these groups have would end up secularizing anyways, as there's not much in the way of that-they can join another group of Jews. This means that less religious Jews will not "die out", as you say, it will take many centuries for ultraconservative/orthodox Jewry to come even close to a majority in Israel, and by then secular or secular-adjacent Jewish demographics will almost certainly have stabilized. As for the relationship between more religious Jews and democracy, I can't really say much, except that the trend of more religious Jews being antidemocratic is by no means something that will continue.
Understand why the same reasons that encourage Israelis to procreate at higher levels is highly discouraged in other Western countries. If for instance, those of European Christian heritage were to take a very similar approach, especially if they were politically more conservative, our governments and a host of special interest groups, the media, academia, heavily influenced by the political Left and radical Feminist would do everything in their power to prevent it, one of the few exceptions would be a nation such as Hungary.
@KingCatsTube Sure. I think it is also because the people in the Western countries have been for decades removed from any real sense of terminal threat.
@@kaiserbauch9092 yes, there are a number of reasons responsible for the current demographic situation. In the 1st world West we have been spoiled and had nice for so long. This contributes to a false sense of security, which can be deadly to a nation/civilization/society. Plus Leftist/Globalist/ultra Liberal Cosmopolitans and pathological Ultruist have had control of our institutions and media for many years now.
@@kaiserbauch9092 this maybe true but Eastern European countries are closest to the Ukraine war and their birthrates are the lowest in Europe. The former countries of Yugoslavia also had wars recently in the 1990s and their fertility is very poor and populations are shrinking
I think there's somewhat of a selection pressure in Israel. Even disregarding religion, politically conservative people appear to have higher fertilities (I'm basing this off the United States) and perhaps we can infer that this is because said people see having children as a duty to their people/country. Jews who willingly move to Israel are probably more like that (since they're committing to live in the jewish state) and hence more likely to have children than jews globally. I saw this argument on substack but can't remember which one
though israel has moved to more right wing, ie very capitalistic direction recent years, which would counter that in most countries.. it can still happen but needs to be very strong and get big incentives from state too. It helps that crisis like now also remind of this fact in case people are on the fence.
@@gabingston3430 Have you considered the same people encouraging high birth rates and traditionalism in Israel are those enforcing the opposite in the West?
@@gabingston3430dude, the reason we have all these problems is because of Israel and their diaspora destroying Western societies through cultural subversion and western economies through financial extortion thanks to their strong influence in the US government. Since the EU is an American vassal, America is a vassel to Israel. Israel is not our ally!
Theory: Certain groups have higher fertility due to mortality salience as they have an urge to pass kn their genes if they are constantly reminded of the possibility of death. We see this occupationally as healthcare and military personnel have higher fertility We see this internationally as places with higher mortality rates have more children and safer places have less We see this right now as COVID 19 pandemic caused a small baby bump in the US.
@@anon2034I thought more of emergency care/ambulance staff/firefighters/police/military... those who have lethal danger in their work or at least constantly see people injured... school nurse aint that; though with drugs and other things youth do, it could be. back in my school days youth deaths were very very rare.
how is that thing regarding covid, I heard and read as kid when somewhere in NYC big city power cuts happened, baby bump happened(thought very tiny one, only 1day worth) too coz lights were out... so do these have something in common.... Id compare it with couples going to horror movie and bond better, releases hormones and such.
Israeli here, first of all, I'd like to point out that your demographic breakdown of my country was very good. My only problem is that you discarded judea and samaria. Some of the biggest demographic changes are occurring in J&S so its quite important. Wonderwhy made a very good breakdown of this area in his video about Israel.
@@baha3alshamari152 they are good people. Being a dati (religious zionist) there are a lot of views they have i STRONGLY disagree with. For example: enlisting in the IDF, participating in political activities etc.... however, in the last decade the haredi society is changing fast, more and more of them change their ways and enlist in the idf. So they are not such a big problem like everyone makes them out to be.
what’s your view on annexation? guessing you are for it as you called it judea and samaria, not the west bank. i’m a zionist jew but i don’t support settlements/annexation. curious to hear your take
@@alexanderarditi2948 i believe it must be done at some point. It would be hard in the current demographic state, which is why returning to this land is such an important endeavor. In case the jews leave J&S you can be sure it will become the new gaza, Fatah is not so different than hamas.
Another example of high fertility in a situation of competition between population groups was New France, where from 1660 to 1760, they were trying to outgrow the British-governed 13 colonies. The British colonies could rely on abundant immigration, the French could not. The birth rate in the French colony was estimated at 30% higher than in France itself. Although birth rates in Quebec remained high after the conquest they were not as high as Upper Canada's. That reversed once again in the late 19th century as birth rates in Ontario fell. French-speaking Catholic areas did not show a decline until the 1960s.
2022 TFR for Jewish women in Israel: Overall TFR: 3.07 Breaking it down further: Haredi TFR: 6.38 Non-Haredi TFR: 2.46 Within the Non-Haredi category, TFR by sectors is as follows: - Religious: 3.77 Traditional: 2.8 Traditional Lite: 2.22 Secular: 1.98
Israel is fundamentally different from the West. It creates huge social tensions by the look of it between religious and non religious but it is a battle the Palestinians are losing @@aquilae1670
Edward Dutton shows that religion has an IQ preserving affect. Basically, the only high IQ people who have a lot of kids are also very religious. Having high IQ without religion means low fertility in today's environment.
@@christopherneufelt8971 explanations like "people learned this from the media." Are usually bad explanations for social phenomena. These things are more genetic. Look into the work of Joseph Bronski. He's kind of a jerk, but the his theories are right. Women and men today aren't really brainwashed by the media. They are genetically leftist in mentality, individualistic, narcissistic, depressed, ugly etc.... Many of them know the media is false. People believe things because the are predisposed to that. A genetically healthy individual doesn't believe in feminism and mass immigration, and only 1984 levels of brainwashing could even potentially make them believe. Religion and politics is at least 50% genetic, with evidence it is higher too around ~70%
Kudos for a well-researched and accurate presentation of a complex topic. I've seen so many try and get key details wrong. But your work, sir, is exemplary. Thanks!
Good point at 23:40. Also: I feel that children are less coddled in Israel, are allowed to take more risks (at playing) and are expected to be more independent as teenagers.
This is absolutely true. Most Israeli teenagers spend a lot of time being in charge of and raising younger children, even in school or in camp or other youth institutions. It's a very, very strong community value
@@kaiserbauch9092 Not that they can be coddled, considering that Israel keeps getting attacked. And the fact that their enemies keep attacking them is exactly why military service is required over there.
This was extremely well-done, honestly if I hadn't seen so many of your videos prior I would've believed you were also Jewish lol. Great channel man, much love to the Czech People IL❤CZ
Israeli here, born in Brazil, with family originally from Morocco and Lebanon, married with two kids (wife born in brazil, whose grandparents were from Poland and Ukraine), I come from a traditional/religious background, she comes from a completely seculuar, we are both 33. While living in Brazil we planned on having one maybe two kids, since we moved to Israel, 7 years ago, we already had two kids and now we are planning on having at least two more. Its funny but the streets and houses are full of live, evrerywhere you look you see alot of kids, where I live, the building is half religious half secular and we are the couple with lowest anount of kids as everyone else has between 3 and 6.
@@doomerdaniel I don't think so due to brazilian low wages combined with the general high costs of living an raising a family this combined with the insecurity as we have a lot of violence in the streets. This combined with the Brazilian culture that its no longer family-based but a general promotion of a hookup culture complicates the general situation. I frankly believe that the Brazilian population will decrease in the upcoming decades.
@@dshevach77 tbh i agree with you on every single level, maybe i oversimplified things too much. Can i ask you something? Did made aliyah or just migrated to israel for job?
@@dshevach77 Meu caro, eu não sou nenhum evangelico, sou de familia catolica, então nao espere nenhum tipo de reinterpreteçao insana da minha parte. Desejo me converter, mesmo sabendo que não é necessário e da extrema dificuldade que se dá pela falta de um tribunal rabínico no Brasil. Qual caminho você me indica? Tenha em mente que estou na cidade do rio onde existem umas 7 sinagogas ortodoxas e uma reformista. A reformista parece mais disposta a conversão, mas sabemos das limites de reconhecimento da mesma e tbm de certas questoes religiosas nao tao desejaveis como o movimento conservador ou ortodoxo. Nas ortodoxas encontro dificuldade absoluta, a ponto de desligarem o telefone. Consegue me dar alguma orientação? Acha mais valido eu ir para Israel?
The same Israelis snd their diaspora are preventing us from having what they have. Israel is not ally of the West! Yes, we are their ally or rather their vassal, but the relationship is unilateral. Jews in the West support and fund leftist movements, advocate for mass 3rd world migration and vigorously oppose conservative parties. They are also the inventors of communism and feminism. Don't get me started on "conservatives" like Ben Shapiro or Dave Rubin or other controlled opposition. They are slightly less liberal than the mainstream, warmongers and extreme zionists. They are totally ok with mass 3rd world migration into the West as long as it happens legally and the newcomers become conservative, which means pro-Israel.
@@Jibe111111111 Jews are not our enemies. You just mad they learnt how to play the game and how to win in modern world order, and instead of learning from them how to play the game, y'all mad at them, that they win. Fuck the antisemites.
Absolutely fantastic review. It's such a nuanced and factually correct masterpiece. Bravo. Really, the only point I would have added, are the trends of Hazara BiTshuva (becoming religious) and Hazara BeSheela (becoming secular). There aren't too many studies on it, but there seem to be more people becoming more secular, than people becoming religious. Hence, the dati/orthodox population does not grow as fast as "it should". E.g, I recently read that the Orthodox school system doesn't grow as fast as the fertility rate would suggest. Also, the dati/orthodox universe is in and of itself so diverse (in terms of workforce participation, military service, interaction with the secular world, etc.), that one could produce a 30 min video just on them.
That is a relief that secularism is growing faster. Hopefully the positive (at the national level) demographic effects from high Orthodox birthrates will nonetheless not result in theocratic domination of the country's society, politics etc. down the line. Best of both worlds perhaps.
They can't. Israel is a small country massively subsidised by the USA and Europe. Nobody can subsidise giant Europe - except low-cost foreign workers, often from Islamic countries.
Yeah, people underestimate how long it takes to make these videos. And you have mentioned israel many times. i can say this as someone that used to make videos (albeit they were pretty crappy)
The people who are having the most kids in Israel are not the ones who are the most productive in society which means that their children (however many they have) will not be very productive as well. The fertility rate of the country is very much distorted by the fertility rate of the ultra Orthodox Jews. They don’t work, their children don’t receive modern education, they don’t serve in the military. They just sit at home, study their religious text and get paid by the government to have 8-9 kids each. As the population of the ultra Orthodox Jews increase along with their political power making society more strict, many of the moderate Jews will emigrate along with their skills. This is already happening although at a low level but the emigration rate will only increase as the ultra orthodox gets more political power to shape society in their beliefs. The prosperous, secular and economically vibrant Israel of today will slowly degrade away with this demographic shift. In that case, this would be a societal and economic issue and not a demographic advantage. It’s the same case with the fertility issue here in America. Most people who are having multiple kids are people who are not the most economically and socially productive members of society. In fact, our government incentivize these people with things like more welfare and tax returns per child. People don’t think that this is the case but when you are making like $25k a year, getting $3k per kid at the end of the year from the government is a major source of income. Even more so when the government is paying to feed, house, cloth, and educate your kids and you don’t have to spend any money of your own. They and their children will take more out of the system than they contribute. Regular working Americans can barely afford things like housing, education and healthcare while being taxed to death to even think about having a child let alone having multiple. I’ve always said this but it’s not about the quantity of people that you have in a society, it’s about the quality of those people and their positive contributions socially and economically.
It somehow works. When a few of the ultra orthodox offspring leave to join the rest of society, you have a symbiotic relationship between secular and religious society. And you better don´t mention "quality" of people as someone from the west. We can all see how GenZ in the west is doing.
I’ll add two things I learned about Israel: 1- most Jews there came from Arab countries and the culture is a mix of Jewish and European and middle eastern. 2- Druze were very important as an ally to Jews when creating Israel and their demographics is normally ignored
1. The destruction of the Arab Jews are mainly the fault of the European Jews. Because of the European Jews colonial project to ethnically cleanse the natives in Palestine, anti Jewish sentiments rose in the Arab world and many Arab Jews were expelled from their homelands in Arabia and north Africa. The Zionists were and are a bunch of fundamentalists that never shy away from unaliving fellow Jews. When the colonial state was about to be established, the highest authoritative rabbi in Jerusalem of the Jewish community that had been living there for hundreds of years sent a Dutch Jew to the British to convey their message that they reject the establishment of the colonial state as it is strictly forbidden to do so according to the Torah and the Talmud. The rabbi also visited the King of Jordan and swore loyalty to the Arab ruler. That messenger never reached the British, he was assassinated by the Zionists. His name was Jacob Israël de Haan. Professor Avi Shlaim who himself an Iraqi Jew pointed out that while the story of the European Jews were the story of persecutions, the story of the Arab Jews were the story of relatively easy live. He pointed out that his own father were a wealthy Iraqi merchant. The household spoke Arabic and dress like Arabs. He also uncovered the evidences that several bombings in Baghdad were done by the Zionists in order to coaxed the Iraqi Jews to leave their homeland and move to Palestine. At the time many Jews outside of refugees from Europe lived perfectly normal live everywhere and they have zero interests in moving to Palestine. But the rise of anti Zionism eventually uprooted them from their homelands. The tragedy of the Zionists project is two fold; the uprooted of the native Palestinians from their homeland and the uprooted natives Arab and north African Jews from their homelands. Many younger generation Arab and north African Jews nowadays have forgotten their Arabic and north African roots despite looking nothing like European Jews and almost identical to the Palestinians. In fact, if those Arab Jews don't wear their yarmulke or spoke the artificially reconstructed from the dead Hebrew language, they'll look virtually identical to the Arabs in the occupied territories. 2. Benny Morris pointed out that the Druze were just being pragmatic. Their community were small and sandwiched between two warring parties. They just chose the most likely winner to survive. Indeed, Druzes from Syria were actually part of the army to liberate Palestine from the settlers but ultimately the Druze thought that it is much better to live under the settlers rule than to be ethnically cleansed by those settlers just like what happened to the native Palestinians.
@@IbnRizaWhat are you on about? Arab(Mizrachi) Jews these days are equally represented in Israel as Ashkenazi Jews. There is even an explicitly Mizrahi/Sephardic party in Israel's current government. Also, calling Israel a colonial state is believing in the myth of Hamas' ideology. Israel is the opposite of a colonial state. It represents the most successful indigenous liberation in history. From a dominated minority in Judea and the rest of the world ever since the Jewish expulsion by the Roman empire in 136 CE. To reclaim their ancestral homeland from the British empire in 1948. It showcases the profound success of an indeginous minority group regaining their self-determination. That's why there is a very strong coalition of indigenous peoples worldwide supporting Israel, believe it or not.
As an Israeli, I've seen plenty of videos about global demographics, and not a single one ever mentions Israel. Which is interesting, because as you point out, the example of Israel is a major counterargument against the extremely materialist arguments that pervade a lot of that space about how urbanization and/or gender equality are somehow inherently opposed to a healthy society. Also, I've rarely seen a video about Israel as well-researched as this one. Israel is an often misunderstood coutry, and frequently when I watch videos about it, I find major factual errors or omissions. You had neither. Great video, and I'll be sticking around your channel.
Gender equality still plays a massive role in fertility rate. Female emancipation almost always leads to low fertility rate even within Israel. As an Israel you of all people should know, who do you think has higher fertility, the Patriarchal Haradim or your average secular loser in Tel Aviv? Just look at all the high fertility countries they are all extremely patriarchal like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Nigeria, Somalia. Face it, women’s rights always equals death of society
Very good video! I like that you acknowledged the difficulty of analyzing such a complicated field that is influenced by so many factors, but were able to back up your point regardless. Minor critique at 30:18 I wouldn't say the compulsory military service is unparelleled in the rich world, Switzerland and South Korea have very similar policies and for similar reasons. Switzerland being neutral and therefore needing a strong independent military in case of attack, and South Korea obviously needing to deal with its northern neighbor.
As an Israeli, I follow your videos for a while now, and I love that you care about the truth, statistics, demographics and the future, which are subjects I find fascinating. I can even theorize I got into that because of me being a citizen in the only developed country with healthy fertility rates… I want to add a few points I think will interest you: 1. Israelis adore children, while allowing them a lot of freedom. 2. Family and friends are much more tightly connected and expected to help with each other’s children. Israeli families meet at least once a week for dinner on Fridays ( Shabbat dinner), even if they are secular. So a weekly reminder from the parents to cook them some grandchildren, which they promise to babysit, and they can as the country is tiny and no grandparent live too far… 3. Men are not seen as less masculine being caring for children, and you’ll see almost as many men walking around Tel Aviv with strollers, and playing with their kids than you’ll see even in Western Europe. 4. Even the gay community here are super fertile, It took me a while to realize it’s unique to Israel that every gay couple has at least 2 kids in their 30’s…
What's your angle on industry in Africa? From what I've seen, the cultural barriers are too high. As many dead factories as live ones. Have you seen something different? Can the cultural backwardness, tribalism be overcome?
@@KingMinos316Foreign aid is a big problem for this. If people are being given tractors and farming tools for free, what is the use of creating native industry or buying high tech from other countries? There is none. Complacency is killing Africa
Fantastic. Love it when you drop a new video. Edited to add - fascinating. I’ve never looked at Israel, all my own evaluations have been of Canada’s geopolitical rivals. You are most likely correct on the reasons for the high birth rate being cultural. There’s often that correlation of a country in conflict having a higher birth rate but in this case we are talking a country in conflict for three quarters of a century, and that has to have had an enormous impact on Israeli cultural groups. The idea of taking over by out breeding them was also tried in the Canadian province of Quebec. It was working till the Quiet Revolution blew it all to hell. Thanks for your work.
I live in israel, and even in non religious society like in my school which is non religious, almost every one has families with 3-5 brothers and sisters. For exmple in my family I gave two brothers and two sisters I think its a culturel thing, the israeli society is why more family centerd than other western country's.
No, the Haredim are not parasites, that's ridiculous propaganda, the Haredim are becoming more and more integrated into the country's economic structures. The equivalent of the Haredim in the West, the Hasidim, have good levels of economic success in the USA and Australia, the Haredim will represent a growing share of the population AND contribute more and more to the country. Haredim are Israel's chance, not a challenge, not a curse.
@@tFighterPilotI'd disagree, instead it's an example of how Shas has to clamour for relevancy with UTJ. Their constituents already almost all serve. The whole thing is funny to say the least.
At least the Israelites from the lower class up to the upper class have no qualms with the idea that the "purpose of life is to procreate", they have accepted this as simply reality.. unlike in other developed nations that are currently having an existential crisis, overly philosophizing the purpose of life. But then again, developed nations have too many options, and usually with material abundance comes decision paralysis.
As an Israeli from my personal experience, I have seen that the major difference between Israel and the west is that in Israel people do thinks first and figuer things as they go, compare to many places in the west where they overthink and plan every little detail before it happens
The history of Jewish groups around the world is fascinating. In Greece, there were historically two groups of Jews, the Romaniotes, Jews who settled in Greece during the Roman/Byzantine era, and the Sephardites, Jews who migrated from Spain after the Reconquista, at the invitation of the Ottoman Empire. Their differences in language, culture, place of inhabitance and attitudes to foreign groups was astonishing! The Romaniotes had lived for centuries before the Sephardites in Greece, were better integrated than them, already spoke Greek and had hellenized version of their Jewish names. They were better integrated with the Christians and were mostly centered around Ioannina, the capital of Epirus. They helped it build a strong culture of education, trade and independence. Meanwhile the Sephardites spoke a Spanish-Hebrew Pidgin called Ladino, they mostly lived in Thessaloniki, preferred the Turks to the Greeks, cooperated with them against the revolutionaries, were often tax collectors or executrioners, and were the first to introduce communism to the country. They were thus often seen suspiciously by their Greek neighbors, and marginalized. When the Nazis invaded Greece in 1941, they enacted their Holocaust policies in full force. However, the better integrated Romaniotes were helped or hidden by their Greek compatriots, and even though it was the smaller community of Jews in Greece, it mostly survived. Same can't be said for the Sephardites of Thessaloniki. Their community was destroyed by the Nazis and there were even Greek collaborators who ratted them out. After everything was over, most Jews left Greece to live in Israel. It's really sad that a large part of our history ended this way, and especially with all those atrocities. Today there are streets named after prominent Jews in both Ioannina and Thessaloniki
Although fertility rates seem to connect to the level of religiousness, there is a general feeling in Israel that having children enriches your life in a sort of basic way. Having kids is somehow a given and it's embedded in culture without being openly promoted by the state (but is in religious institutions). The city of Holon, which is very secular, promotes itself as most child-friendly. It gives special attention to the needs of children, by building playgrounds and safe roads. There's even a children's museum. The notion of having children has also affected the LGBTQI community. It has almost become a normal for gay couples to have kids. Note: these are overwhelmingly non-religious, non-traditional people by definition but their claim to the right to have kids, actually helps their emancipation and acceptance in society. By having kids, they are able to show their loyalty to 'family-values' shared by much more traditionally-thinking fellow citizens.
right, while what he said in the video is true I just think culturally we just like children and believe they bring a sense of purpose. if even lgbtq couples are adopting there's a clear indication of a society simply liking kids..
You missed the different groups of Arabs, like the Bedouni, who are more pro-Israel and have the highest birth rate. If I am right, they practice poligmy, which has become a problem for the Israeli state, but it's crazy to think that the Israelis have a higher birth rate than Muslim nations. One factor might be that the secular Jews, who are not nationalists, would move, so the Jewish birth rate would be higher. Because of that selection, you could have mentioned marriage laws in Israel that could be considered very sexist in the West, which might be helping their birth rate, and the biggest important factor is that purity is very valued in Israel, which has been shown to greatly affect the divorce rate.
It's worth noting that among the Muslim population, the pattern is similar to the West: not only are fertility rates going down, but they are also correlated with female education. The Bedouin have the least education and most children; the farmers (fellaheen) are in the middle; and the city dwellers have the fewest children.
10:21 immigration is about 3 million in all. The population growth though is 7 million. Its not just immigrants, its also people having kids and raising families.
Hi, Israeli here. You did an accurate analysis of Israeli demographics and I am so happy to finally see a good demographic analysis of Israel on TH-cam. Keep up the good work!❤
What a fascinating analysis. I'm assuming that KaiserBauch's conclusions are his own i.e. original. His arguments are well presented. There has been a lot of work done in this field because of the problem of falling populations. A really interesting perspective.
I have the greatest respect for Israel 🇮🇱, it's a fascinating country! Israel is a showcase study for the proverb: Hard times produce strong men.( 🇮🇱 ) Good times produce weak men who then produce bad times. (🇪🇺). And of course applies to women as well.
I think you like many others have overstated Herzl’s role in the Zionist movement. By the time he was involved, the Zionist movement had been active for decades and Jews were already moving in. Herzl was also wildly unpopular for his particular vision within the Zionist movement at the time. His most notable contributions were his organizational skills and his determination.
Before Herzl there was no singular movement, but small and scattered groups, or, in some cases, individual initiatives. Herzl turned it into a proper movement and brought the struggle to the political sphere as well.
It was quite interesting dive, and I have a question. You explained why usual causes of fertility don't explain Israel's situation. And said that unique local dynamics can explain this. But I am not sure it is a proof that this is specifically a real reason. Like, as you said, in northern Ireland this fighting dynamics doesn't produce high fertility. Why do you sure this is specially the case?
In Northern Ireland the “fighting” has largely stopped, nobody is seriously considering taking up arms anymore. Moreover, it’s part of Western Europe and its society has become as secular as the rest of Western Europe.
@@deaththekid3998in the recent years - yes. But what about back in 20th century, before good Friday agreement, EU and other cool staff? Danger was there, but exceptional fertility - not
happyelephant5384 I think there might have been a slight misunderstanding on your part. In Northern Ireland, the dynamics indeed did produce high fertility rate among the Catholics, it just ended with the troubles.
Because jews are peddling anti-natalist policies in Northern Ireland too, much to the detriment of the natives. Jews don't do that to themselves in israel
I am the youngest of seven children, and my mom is also one of seven children, I don't know how we survived, but we are doing well, cheers from Israel :)
@@GotMyTowel42 they are drafted and are subject to the somewhat more conservative judicial system of Israel. Welfare is more equally distributed. They have actual equality, not this “equality” the west has where women essentially reap all the benefits.
Real reason : Feminist ideology has not taken over Israel in the same way it has taken other developed countries because Israel was in a survival situation unlike other western societies.
It's more of a 2nd wave feminism and not 3rd or 4th like the United States. Women in Israel have to serve in the military, get equal pay, have equal opportunity for education, the right to vote and run for office. It's not a system that punishes men for supposed years of oppression like in the United States. It's also a merit based society without diversity quotas.
We're very feminist, you know. And also well integrated with LGBT people. We're just more resistant to the culture war aspects (unfortunately it's been more of an issue lately with the imported American brainworm of it). Israelis as a broad generality fight for liberal equality as an imperfect ideal, and are passionate about yelling at each other about it instead of silencing. It's far, far from perfect but I can't help but look at the US and others right now and see it as a warning.
Speaking for myself, until last month's terrorist attack I had not considered having a third child, but am now considering it. The demographic struggle against Israel's enemies is real. I'm not sure if it translates to other countries necessarily though, look at Armenia.
I take it you are an Israeli living in Israel? Out of interest, does the state overtly/actively promote the idea that women should have more children (if so, how?), or is there just a collective sense that this should be the case emanating from events as well as measures like maternity leave mentioned in this video?
Armenians have a lot in common with Jews both have holocausts, both are ethnic group with small homelands with a diaspora larger then the population of said nations and racially they are both a mixture of European and Middle Eastern. The big difference is religion. Armenians follow a universalist religion and over 99% of its followers are not Armenians. Sadly I think Armenia is doomed.
@@Miguel-zc6tjI think it's more cultural than anything. There are some childless women in Israel, but it's not common, and when women do have their first child, the first question they often get is when is the second child coming? Culturally it's weird in Israel to have just one child. There is also a point to be made about relationships: it is normal that your friends or relatives hook you up with someone else they know, and it leads to many good relationships, despite this practice being the butt of many jokes. Families are invested in relationships and I think this causes couples to be happier together on average.
Gotta love Europeans who holocaust-ed Jews by the millions and then dumped on them the Middle East claim that the indigenous Arabs have no right to rebel against their oppressers and colonizers.
I am an Israeli and I have 3 children :) Most of my friends and colleagues bring the third child around age of 37-40 , wanting to have the "last baby". The sense of community is very strong, and you are right - fathers are very involved in taking care of the kids. Overall, Israel is a very kid-centric society,. Regarding the help from the grandparents, it is important to say that geography helps to stay close to one another, being a small country. Since my twins were born, both my parents and my mother in law came once a week each to help with the kids, in order to allow me to stay more hours at work and maintain a career.
I’m gay and Another thing I found interesting in Israel when visiting there: I’ve never seen so many gay couples with kids. Do you have any statistics on that vs other countries?
@@drjanitor3747 ahh yes. So immoral to allow everyone to live their lives as they wish. What’s moral to you? The Nobel Palestinians who murder gays and any sexual minority?
In the first part of the video, in contrasting Israel as a place that Jews have *returned* to after 2000+ years away from the homeland with North America, Australia, etc. as places for British and other settlers to migrate to that only had indigenous peoples hitherto, parts of South America (particularly Argentina, Uruguay, and southern Brazil, and maybe Chile as well) should have been included in the list of settler societies which beforehand only had indigenous peoples. And so, it's not just Anglophone settler societies but also Latin American settler societies.
Excellent video as always. While most of the information was fairly accurate, you put way to much emphasis on the survival aspect of the story (i.e. competition with non-Jewish minorities and need for people to protect the country). The simply reality is that, among other things, Israel is still a VERY family oriented country, and given its small geographic size, families get together very often (e.g. the Friday evening Shabbat meal), where the Jewish Mother nags her kids about why she doesn't have enough grandchildren. If you have a Jewish Mother, you know what I'm talking about.
Thanks! And as for the critique, the issue is that there are many very family oriented cultures around the world with very low fertility. Slovakia or Southern Italy are indeed very family oriented, even clanish, societies. But the fertility is very low.
The answer to the "why" questions is size and culture. Israel is tiny, 70% of the population live within a 30 minutes drive from each other. Each friday, every family takes its children to visit the grandparents for a meal. Grandchildren and granparents are closer in Israel comparing to the west, this is why the granparents are so involved in the raising of the grandchildren. What do granparents say to thier grandchildren whenever they see them (at least once a week)? If the grandchild is single, they ask when will they find a match. If they are not single, they ask when will they marry. If they are married, they ask when will they have a child. Every week again and again, to the point that even LGBT couples in Israel has more children then the west. Other countries in the world should make it easy and affordable for people to visit their parent in all ages.
@trevdestroyer8209 it is VERY unpleasant but the intentions are good so it's hard to take offense. my grandma has been pestering me for years ever since I was sixteen
@trevdestroyer8209 no shes very old and traditional, she was married in a set up. the age of legality is 18, even if I wanted to I couldn't marry at 16.
Thanks for the video, few points to look at. 1- grandparents help because the county is tiny geographically so they can help. 2- in the same way we use the language to shape people's perception of immigration (aliya means to go up, so jews migrating to Israel are going up) we use it to channel the pain from lost soldiers into something productive - a fallen soldier is called a "void", so when a soldier dies we are earged to fill the void. that's why you see spikes in demographics. 3- next week we will commemorate holocaust memorial day so newspapers remind people that in 1939 there were 16m jews around the world and today we are only on 15,7m 4 - when the current war started everything stopped, everything except weddings, yes, you'd see improvised wedding held by all artists in military bases. when parents are informed of a follen san they are given the option to extract semen from the body, and if he had a girlfriend she would often choose to have his baby. we find peculiar ways to collaborate and work together on our demographics, so we don't have gay marriage but the state assists gays have babies using surrogate treatments. the expectation is that the current conflict will bring around 30,000 more than expected. one last thing - the health system: so we use a voucher based, non profit, 4 health providers competing between them on customers. so they are all trying to attract young families as they tend to be healthier, so cheaper to maintain. their way to do that is to offer the most extensive amount of checks for pregnant woman so TV commercials are full of cute babies, even Gillette sales razors for man by emphasizing the importance of touching daddy's face for a baby.
Since Israel is so small, it must be very easy to get help from family with childrearing, here in sweden its not uncommon to have your parents 5-12h of driving away.
Muslim and African countries will continue to experience large population growth in the coming decades. India's population will remain stable too. It's mostly Western and East Asian countries that will experience depopulation.
As an Israeli I have to say im soo impressed by your knowledge, you really understood the small parts in our culture and demographic that other foreigners dont understand ❤, but I think you left out one important thing in Israel we say "children are joy" we as citizens grow up much faster then westerners (which is a good thing if you ask me )but to "combat " it we do children and relive the childhood through them ...
"replacement theory isnt real, because...it just isnt, ok?!!!" "okay maybe its real, but its not caused by one specific group!!" us autists are praised for our pattern recognition... up until we recognize no no patterns
We pay for them to have kids, while we get evaporated, their healthcare and many other factors of their entire life are propped up entirely by the U.S and european countries..
If the USA (somehow) collapsed, Americans could go to the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. If France (somehow) collapsed, the French could go to Belgium, a lot of African countries like Senegal, Switzerland. If Germany (somehow) collapsed, Germans could go to Austria, Switzerland. If Russia (somehow) collapsed, Russians could go to Belarus, Kazakhstan, Mongolia. If Israel (somehow) collapsed, Jews would..?
It's fascinating how Israel has managed to solve, or maybe rather avoid, the demographic problem so many other industrialized nations face. But I don't think their model is something that can be replicated elsewhere, since Israel is a very unique contry in so many ways. And they have a unique set of problems, that no one else wants. I surely hope that conflicts of a similar kind to what Israel has is not the solution to demographics. I don't personally want children, but many studies suggest that most people do, and that most want more than they end up getting. So the problem isn't that people don't want kids, it's that other factors prevent them. In Israel, people still have enough incentive to keep the birthrate above the threshold. In the rest of the developed world, this incentive is lacking. And there's numerous reasons why. I think it's likely that our societies need a massive overhaul. If we want to reverse the demographic trend, it's not enough with a few reforms around the edges. Raised retirement age, more economic support for families and immigration. They all help in the short term and lessen the problem, but they're not a long term fix.
Honestly with such a high IQ and EQ baseline demographic the intellectual capital of this state is a gift to the world. If you consider the amount of Jewish inventions and innovations from medical, aerospace, telecommunications, microprocessing, engineering and general Stem fields the more Jews born the likelihood of a breakthrough that improves the standard of living globally increases which already has been the case if you look at a list of Jewish discoveries and inventions over the last 100 years. Now look at Japan and the innovation they have brought to the world and how it has pretty much helped everybody but with a drop in the Japanese fertility rate the potential for breakthrough inventions drop leading to a global slow down of innovation. High IQ and EQ populations help us all and with less of those people in the world life will only get harder for all of us. The high fertility rate of good intellectual capital should be an international endeavor.
Not all people are equally intelligent. It is not necessary to increase the fertility rate of the entire population group, only those who show promise.
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Do you think women Will be removed of the workforce because of demographics?
Please consider making a video on the demographics of Armenia.
@kaiserbauch9092 The collective sense of purpose you describe is simply a symptom of the breeding race that is naturally occurring between israelis and Palestinians...
If you do a video on the Palestinians, I wonder what the values for the scientific markers of ethnic genocide/cleansing would be.
I appreciate you stating your position on the Israeli/Palestinian issue but to be truly unbiased you would have to do a video on the Palestinians as well.
My interest stems from the fact that I am Lebanese or in other words collateral damage in this idiotic conflict...
@@deborafernandes1026 I think it wildly unlikely: Israelis are sufficiently rooted in the modern world, to understand a basic truth: Israeli society NEEDS women to contribute to economic productivity and wealth creation. The more wealth-creating people you have, the more economically and militarily secure you are, as a country. If we are talking about a hypothetical future, 60-70 years from now, in which Haredi Jews demographically overwhelm the other types of Jews in the country (become, say, 60% of the Jewish population)... AND if we suppose that this future generation is so consumed by ideology that they vote in legal restrictions on women working - I would say Israel would have bigger problems than 'merely' having women removed from the workforce. No group of modern Jews (including modern-Orthodox) would consent to having their women forced into slave-like, second-class citizen status. Israel would move into factionalism and civil-war before that happened.
The only ACTUAL way for Israeli society to remove (SOME) women from the workforce, would be through an ongoing process of 'soft' persuasion, with women themselves making their own decisions and leading (to other women) by example: "Ruth, do you believe that people are happier when men should have specific roles, and when women have specific roles - even if they shouldn't be mindlessly imposed on ALL people, ALL of the time?" "Yes, Naomi, I believe that." "Look around you and see who is doing what. Do you believe that you are likely to be emotionally fulfilled by looking back at your life 40 years from now, and having devoted the bulk of it to being CEO of Oracle, or by having devoted the bulk of it to being part of a family with children, and watching them grow? Which women that you know seem happier and which less so?"
@@deborafernandes1026 why don’t we look at the numbers?! If one would take away the ultra Orthodox Jews and settlers than Israeli fertility drops way more towards normal. Also a huge majority of growth of Israeli population is from immigration. Last but not least we all can see that Israel is already starting to struggle staying a democracy. And will become less and less democratic with every generation that will pass due to the growth of the extremely religious population. So in the long run exchange is Very simple - get high fertility and abandon democracy. But way before getting problems with democracy Israel is much more likely to economically crash due to the fact that huge and extremely fast growing community of people who are Not working (low labor participation among orthodox). None of the economic models can support capitalism and western level of consumption with African birthrate. Since Orthodox Jews political power is only growing (and doing so rapidly), of course economic reforms to adjust that are practically impossible and will become less and less possible with time. Thus the Orthodox Jews will use the democratic methods to destroy Israel as we know it from within.
You hit the nail on the head on the last point. Sub-consciously I feel like all Israelis think "my line didn't survive 2000 years of diaspora and reestablished our state only to end here"
I think this is it exactly. Israeli Jews don't see children as an "individual choice", it's continuing the Jewish nation for the future. And this is embued in every single one of them. That's admirable.
It's not only subconsciously, it's literally written in our declaration of independence that one of the goals of the country is to increase the Jewish population after the holocaust
@idanzamir7540 I am glad we agree.
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Considering this, there's a very real chance Israel becomes the richest country in the world when the demographic collapse really kicks in.
As an Israeli it really feels like it, we have a huge young educated generation, while the current generation created a highly industrialized and developed economy, a huge high tech sector and great infrastructure. I’m a gay guy, and has two kids, and planning two more. Hopeful for the future of our only home.
@@matanamaras someone who goes to a college with a large Jewish population it is astounding how coordinated and energetic the Jewish youth is. Many of them went right to Washington after October 7th and they all clearly have a greater goal and purpose than themselves. They are all very well connected with one another due to constant action to meet and socialize and they take their culture seriously.
Compare this with the Palestinian protesters who don’t even know the history behind the reason they’re protesting and who treated the protest like a joke to hang out with friends until the cops came to shut it down and it becomes abundantly clear which group is more organized and virile.
There has been a complete breakdown in direction among the youth in the west and it appears like most of us are simply floundering around until the next crisis of the day comes around to polarize us.
This guy does not understand the history of Israel, capitalism OR the rothschilds...
One small point on the origins of Ashkenazis: we were primarily in Eastern Europe not because of the HRE, but because of Poland-Lithuania. They (as well as the Ottomans for Sephardic Jews) were the most tolerant society in Europe at the time, so Jews fleeing persecution in Western Europe (France, England, Germany) went to Poland Lithuania. This population was then all over Germany and Russia after the partition.
It was a combination of the German intolerance and the Polish tolerance which drove Jew eastwards by the end of the Middle Ages.
in various places what happened to half jews who were not jewish in religion and who were half anglo Saxon/German/etc. I know most countries ,empires etc did not persecute jews based on race ..forv example the Spanish Inquisition left catholic jews alone so its all really confusing
@@LeonGustaveStuart1899 No, that's actually the opposite of what happened. The inquisition ONLY persecuted Jews who converted to Christianity, since they didn't believe that their conversion was sincere. They had no authority over Jews who didn't convert.
@@LeonGustaveStuart1899 it shouldnt be confusing though. no one persecuted people based on "race" until pretty much hitler or so. european jews are half european too. the persecution back then was strictly religious/cultural
There is no evidence for that. Eastern European Jews are descendants of hazar Jews who converted to Judaism. The book of Shlomo Sand has enough evidence for that. During holocaust German Zionists ignored eastern Jews totally and even collaborated with Nazis as they considered them “wrong Jews” . Tomy Greenstein.
I remember hearing some years ago about a successful Isreali politician who ran on a platform of making sure than schools did not start before 8:00 in the morning making all parents very happy.
@Gemer9094 also the children, I imagine.
To be fair, there are multiple studies showing that teenagers' Circadian rhythms differ from most other age groups, and making them get up early for school is torture, and hurts their academic performance as well. Middle and secondary schools should ideally not start earlier than 10 a.m., though I don't know if this has been tried anywhere in the world.
I'm pretty sure the difference is in societal messaging, especially media and today social media. I would like to see a study/investigation into the difference in media messaging there vs other developed countries.
In the West, the messaging is generally: "be irresponsible", "be promiscuous", "a family is a burden", "your career is more important than anything else", "having children is the worst thing that could happen to you", "having children is morally wrong bc the environment or something", etc. etc.
I agree, this "petty culture" which CNA be changed more or less in short periods of time, like the idea that having a family kids is the rule and then that being single is the rule, definitely has a lot of impact, as it moves the standard around which people behve
Israel is responsible for it isn't it?
While a social media post can be astroturfed or promoted by the government or NGOs, it is generally a very grass-roots thing that spreads because it resonates. If the social media in your country is saying that a family is a burden or a marriage is unimportant, then it is probably already a culturally accepted view even before the social media.
In the event that something really does not resonate (fat is beautiful), the effects are nil.
Honestly, looking around me, I see many broken families, abusive parents, absent parents, divorces, alcoholism, toxic relationships and it somewhat discourages me from having a meaningful relationship, let alone marry and have kids, even though I want to.
We're an immigrant country, so it makes sense.
I'm not Israeli but I've been there. I'm not sure about the general societal message but Israel and Israelis didn’t seem to me particularly conservative people, maybe slightly more than westerners but if you visit Tel Aviv you'll see all the regular stuff that you'll see in any other Western city: sex, drugs, alcohol and parties, they even celebrate pride in Tel Aviv. It's just my humble opinion but I would add these three factors to explain why their birthrate is high.
1.Incentives: the Israeli government has quite a decent welfare and women have lots of benefits to have babies.
2. Survival: Like it or not Israel neighbors are either mildly or very hostile. This should give you even more incentives to have children. It's not only for selfush reasons.
3. Orthodox jews: they have an insanely high birthrate. I've seen women in their 30's with already 7 or 8 kids, and the government supports them as well.
I am Israeli, a woman, work full time, am a university graduate, am secular, and have 5 children.
If only this could be replicated in the Western global north countries, the Southern Cone of South America, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan with Affordable Housing/Pro-Large family natalist* cultural outlook then it would be awesome. I have really never heard of secular women having 5 children so that's interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Good, but according to the stats you are the exception not the norm
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@@shzarmai why do you want to replicate this? The West is still doing good without so many kids. Plus technology will substitute most jobs
As someone with family in Israel (Tel Aviv) and with a young child myself some observations:
1. People like children. As opposed to the country where i live (NLD), where people actually seem to hate children and see them as a burden.
2. Playgrounds everywhere.
3. Daycare costs are lower than in my country, even though everything else is 1,5-2x more expensive
However there are more countries with these features which have low(er) fertility - Italy or Canada.
I think what really makes the difference: nationalism and a "good economy" (better for young people than southern europe for example).
Thank you for this insight!
nationalism and a "good economy" not necessarily, Russia, SK, Japan and China certainly don't have good fertility rates.
@@SHVRWK ok but they have pretty bad economies I would say. Esp for young ppl
@@SHVRWK These countries you mentioned only have GDP, but not a family friendly economy, which was what OP meant when he said good economy. Cost of living, cost of housing, taxes, family friendly corporate culture etc. These things
But Israel doesn’t necessarily have a good economy either. I mean does anyone not remember the mass protests in Israel before Oct 7th? They weren’t just driven by the political crisis but economic as well. There are many videos on TH-cam going into detail over Israel’s economic crisis if you wanna check it out.
Hi i am an Israeli and what you said is 100% correct you did a great job while trying to understand Israeli demographics even for me it took years to understand it ❤
In the US we have Amish, Mennonites, and Hasidic Jews (they're mostly in NYC) that have about 7 kids per women and we also have Mormons and Hutterites that have about 3 but they makeup a small minority of the US population so our birthrate is still a meager 1.7, I plan on having at least 2 kids (maybe more depends on who I marry) so I'll do my part
Actually - not. The majority group (about half) has a sub replacement fertility rate. Thus - if you are none religious you die out. As simple as that! The more religious and (on average) less democratic Israelis are the less children they have. Thus generalising somewhat it can be said - Israel is exchanging democracy for high fertility rate.
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@@jammmy30 Perhaps, but it is worth noting that more religious groupings of Jewish denominations account for just above 15% of Israel's population, and I don't think it would be ridiculous to assume that many of the children these groups have would end up secularizing anyways, as there's not much in the way of that-they can join another group of Jews. This means that less religious Jews will not "die out", as you say, it will take many centuries for ultraconservative/orthodox Jewry to come even close to a majority in Israel, and by then secular or secular-adjacent Jewish demographics will almost certainly have stabilized. As for the relationship between more religious Jews and democracy, I can't really say much, except that the trend of more religious Jews being antidemocratic is by no means something that will continue.
It is like a permanent state of post-war baby boom.
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Understand why the same reasons that encourage Israelis to procreate at higher levels is highly discouraged in other Western countries. If for instance, those of European Christian heritage were to take a very similar approach, especially if they were politically more conservative, our governments and a host of special interest groups, the media, academia, heavily influenced by the political Left and radical Feminist would do everything in their power to prevent it, one of the few exceptions would be a nation such as Hungary.
Jewish 'minority' would be also extremely furious about that 🙂
Meanwhile Hungary population growth:
@KingCatsTube Sure. I think it is also because the people in the Western countries have been for decades removed from any real sense of terminal threat.
@@kaiserbauch9092 yes, there are a number of reasons responsible for the current demographic situation. In the 1st world West we have been spoiled and had nice for so long. This contributes to a false sense of security, which can be deadly to a nation/civilization/society. Plus Leftist/Globalist/ultra Liberal Cosmopolitans and pathological Ultruist have had control of our institutions and media for many years now.
@@kaiserbauch9092 this maybe true but Eastern European countries are closest to the Ukraine war and their birthrates are the lowest in Europe. The former countries of Yugoslavia also had wars recently in the 1990s and their fertility is very poor and populations are shrinking
I think there's somewhat of a selection pressure in Israel. Even disregarding religion, politically conservative people appear to have higher fertilities (I'm basing this off the United States) and perhaps we can infer that this is because said people see having children as a duty to their people/country. Jews who willingly move to Israel are probably more like that (since they're committing to live in the jewish state) and hence more likely to have children than jews globally. I saw this argument on substack but can't remember which one
Based Israelis, actually giving a crap about the future of their nation. We need that here in the west.
though israel has moved to more right wing, ie very capitalistic direction recent years, which would counter that in most countries.. it can still happen but needs to be very strong and get big incentives from state too. It helps that crisis like now also remind of this fact in case people are on the fence.
@@gabingston3430 Have you considered the same people encouraging high birth rates and traditionalism in Israel are those enforcing the opposite in the West?
@@chico9805many people here mindlessly praise Israel as if they are our friends. The irony is lost on them!
@@gabingston3430dude, the reason we have all these problems is because of Israel and their diaspora destroying Western societies through cultural subversion and western economies through financial extortion thanks to their strong influence in the US government.
Since the EU is an American vassal, America is a vassel to Israel.
Israel is not our ally!
Theory: Certain groups have higher fertility due to mortality salience as they have an urge to pass kn their genes if they are constantly reminded of the possibility of death.
We see this occupationally as healthcare and military personnel have higher fertility
We see this internationally as places with higher mortality rates have more children and safer places have less
We see this right now as COVID 19 pandemic caused a small baby bump in the US.
Oh this is like the "Joely Heretic" theory.
"We see this occupationally as healthcare" - Nope. Atleast not were I am from.
@@anon2034I thought more of emergency care/ambulance staff/firefighters/police/military... those who have lethal danger in their work or at least constantly see people injured... school nurse aint that; though with drugs and other things youth do, it could be. back in my school days youth deaths were very very rare.
how is that thing regarding covid, I heard and read as kid when somewhere in NYC big city power cuts happened, baby bump happened(thought very tiny one, only 1day worth) too coz lights were out... so do these have something in common.... Id compare it with couples going to horror movie and bond better, releases hormones and such.
COVID 19 baby bump was just it trying to get back to its previous pre-COVID levels
israel jumped from 137th place in 1950 to the 58th place in 2023 in fertility rate. that is simply unparalleled by any other country in fertility.
Immigration and Haradi will do that to a country
Israeli here, first of all, I'd like to point out that your demographic breakdown of my country was very good. My only problem is that you discarded judea and samaria. Some of the biggest demographic changes are occurring in J&S so its quite important. Wonderwhy made a very good breakdown of this area in his video about Israel.
What do you think of Haredi orthodox Jews ?
@@baha3alshamari152 they are good people. Being a dati (religious zionist) there are a lot of views they have i STRONGLY disagree with. For example: enlisting in the IDF, participating in political activities etc.... however, in the last decade the haredi society is changing fast, more and more of them change their ways and enlist in the idf. So they are not such a big problem like everyone makes them out to be.
Is that true haradi orthodox Jews don't work only their women work in private sector
what’s your view on annexation? guessing you are for it as you called it judea and samaria, not the west bank. i’m a zionist jew but i don’t support settlements/annexation. curious to hear your take
@@alexanderarditi2948 i believe it must be done at some point. It would be hard in the current demographic state, which is why returning to this land is such an important endeavor. In case the jews leave J&S you can be sure it will become the new gaza, Fatah is not so different than hamas.
Another example of high fertility in a situation of competition between population groups was New France, where from 1660 to 1760, they were trying to outgrow the British-governed 13 colonies. The British colonies could rely on abundant immigration, the French could not. The birth rate in the French colony was estimated at 30% higher than in France itself. Although birth rates in Quebec remained high after the conquest they were not as high as Upper Canada's. That reversed once again in the late 19th century as birth rates in Ontario fell. French-speaking Catholic areas did not show a decline until the 1960s.
Maybe women who are made to fight for their country understand better that it needs people to defend itself.
So they produce people solely to have people to experience the slaughter and horrors of war, are they psychopaths?
@shylockwesker5530 Maybe!
@@kaiserbauch9092 hello from NZ. are you from SA?
2022 TFR for Jewish women in Israel:
Overall TFR: 3.07
Breaking it down further:
Haredi TFR: 6.38
Non-Haredi TFR: 2.46
Within the Non-Haredi category, TFR by sectors is as follows: - Religious: 3.77
Traditional: 2.8
Traditional Lite: 2.22
Secular: 1.98
Amazing that secular women can even be close to 2,1!
Israel is fundamentally different from the West. It creates huge social tensions by the look of it between religious and non religious but it is a battle the Palestinians are losing @@aquilae1670
You forgot arabs
The average arab birth rate is under the average jewish birth rate @@alejo7625
@@alejo7625the Arabs are apparently lower. The Haredi are really amping it up.
Edward Dutton shows that religion has an IQ preserving affect. Basically, the only high IQ people who have a lot of kids are also very religious.
Having high IQ without religion means low fertility in today's environment.
@@christopherneufelt8971 explanations like "people learned this from the media." Are usually bad explanations for social phenomena.
These things are more genetic. Look into the work of Joseph Bronski. He's kind of a jerk, but the his theories are right.
Women and men today aren't really brainwashed by the media. They are genetically leftist in mentality, individualistic, narcissistic, depressed, ugly etc.... Many of them know the media is false.
People believe things because the are predisposed to that. A genetically healthy individual doesn't believe in feminism and mass immigration, and only 1984 levels of brainwashing could even potentially make them believe.
Religion and politics is at least 50% genetic, with evidence it is higher too around ~70%
Maybe try reading from other antrhipolgists. Edward Dutton is arguably the worst anthropologist on the right wing, constant hypocrisy
@@ihatemotionblur_3255 well it's been shown in data from many different people. What's your criticism here?
@@ChucksExoticsad hom thats what
Can you please link the study?
Kudos for a well-researched and accurate presentation of a complex topic. I've seen so many try and get key details wrong. But your work, sir, is exemplary. Thanks!
@izzyposen2092 Thank you!
Good point at 23:40. Also: I feel that children are less coddled in Israel, are allowed to take more risks (at playing) and are expected to be more independent as teenagers.
That is definitely good!
This is absolutely true. Most Israeli teenagers spend a lot of time being in charge of and raising younger children, even in school or in camp or other youth institutions. It's a very, very strong community value
@@kaiserbauch9092 Not that they can be coddled, considering that Israel keeps getting attacked. And the fact that their enemies keep attacking them is exactly why military service is required over there.
Ive always been fascinated by the secular fertility rates in Israel and love the breakdown.
Oh boy, I have been waiting for this one lol!
I hope it did not disapoint!
This was extremely well-done, honestly if I hadn't seen so many of your videos prior I would've believed you were also Jewish lol. Great channel man, much love to the Czech People
IL❤CZ
Israeli here, born in Brazil, with family originally from Morocco and Lebanon, married with two kids (wife born in brazil, whose grandparents were from Poland and Ukraine), I come from a traditional/religious background, she comes from a completely seculuar, we are both 33.
While living in Brazil we planned on having one maybe two kids, since we moved to Israel, 7 years ago, we already had two kids and now we are planning on having at least two more. Its funny but the streets and houses are full of live, evrerywhere you look you see alot of kids, where I live, the building is half religious half secular and we are the couple with lowest anount of kids as everyone else has between 3 and 6.
Brazilian here, considering the current scenario brasil could easilly have this "baby boom" mindset too. Issue is just our messy sense of purpose
@@doomerdaniel I don't think so due to brazilian low wages combined with the general high costs of living an raising a family this combined with the insecurity as we have a lot of violence in the streets. This combined with the Brazilian culture that its no longer family-based but a general promotion of a hookup culture complicates the general situation. I frankly believe that the Brazilian population will decrease in the upcoming decades.
@@dshevach77 tbh i agree with you on every single level, maybe i oversimplified things too much.
Can i ask you something? Did made aliyah or just migrated to israel for job?
@@doomerdaniel I made Alyah
@@dshevach77 Meu caro, eu não sou nenhum evangelico, sou de familia catolica, então nao espere nenhum tipo de reinterpreteçao insana da minha parte.
Desejo me converter, mesmo sabendo que não é necessário e da extrema dificuldade que se dá pela falta de um tribunal rabínico no Brasil.
Qual caminho você me indica? Tenha em mente que estou na cidade do rio onde existem umas 7 sinagogas ortodoxas e uma reformista.
A reformista parece mais disposta a conversão, mas sabemos das limites de reconhecimento da mesma e tbm de certas questoes religiosas nao tao desejaveis como o movimento conservador ou ortodoxo.
Nas ortodoxas encontro dificuldade absoluta, a ponto de desligarem o telefone.
Consegue me dar alguma orientação? Acha mais valido eu ir para Israel?
Another brilliant piece from my favourite countryman. :)
@Gemer9094 Díky!
Excellent analysis - thanks for this. Lots to think on here.
Thank you!
Wow! That was really educational! Thank you!
Very insightful thank you, the Israel model is precisely what we need here in Central Europe. Israel is a truly fascinating nation.
Well, that's not what you're going to get. What you will get are the refugees who flee from Palestine.
The same Israelis snd their diaspora are preventing us from having what they have. Israel is not ally of the West! Yes, we are their ally or rather their vassal, but the relationship is unilateral.
Jews in the West support and fund leftist movements, advocate for mass 3rd world migration and vigorously oppose conservative parties. They are also the inventors of communism and feminism.
Don't get me started on "conservatives" like Ben Shapiro or Dave Rubin or other controlled opposition. They are slightly less liberal than the mainstream, warmongers and extreme zionists. They are totally ok with mass 3rd world migration into the West as long as it happens legally and the newcomers become conservative, which means pro-Israel.
Friendly advice: know who your enemy is.
@TriStarIII It sure is!
@@Jibe111111111 Jews are not our enemies. You just mad they learnt how to play the game and how to win in modern world order, and instead of learning from them how to play the game, y'all mad at them, that they win. Fuck the antisemites.
Very well done video. You did your homework
Thanks!
Powerful, emotionally resonant statement and phrasing from 34:18. Gave me goosebumps. I've often thought similarly myself.
@dreamer2260 Thank you!
I just automatically like your videos when you upload dude. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
I will make a reaserch about this. It just helps me tremendusly. Thank you+!!!!
You are most welcome!
Very accurate description of the ethnic and religious breakdown of israeli society. Thank you for this excellent video!
You are most welcomed!
Absolutely fantastic review. It's such a nuanced and factually correct masterpiece. Bravo. Really, the only point I would have added, are the trends of Hazara BiTshuva (becoming religious) and Hazara BeSheela (becoming secular). There aren't too many studies on it, but there seem to be more people becoming more secular, than people becoming religious. Hence, the dati/orthodox population does not grow as fast as "it should". E.g, I recently read that the Orthodox school system doesn't grow as fast as the fertility rate would suggest. Also, the dati/orthodox universe is in and of itself so diverse (in terms of workforce participation, military service, interaction with the secular world, etc.), that one could produce a 30 min video just on them.
One could produce a 30 hours* video just on them
FTFY
That is a relief that secularism is growing faster. Hopefully the positive (at the national level) demographic effects from high Orthodox birthrates will nonetheless not result in theocratic domination of the country's society, politics etc. down the line. Best of both worlds perhaps.
@davidrubinstein3679 Thank you!
Europe need to follow Israel model rather than allowt Islamist in country
They can't. Israel is a small country massively subsidised by the USA and Europe.
Nobody can subsidise giant Europe - except low-cost foreign workers, often from Islamic countries.
Isn’t it obvious they require manpower for soliders as all their neighbors hate them?
That is not correct. The Faroe Islands have a TFR of 2.6 children per woman.
I think your right about a sense of purpose because the U.S. birthrate increased after 9/11 and was above replacement in 2006 and 2007
That's only because you have a lot of mexicans
Really amazing video. A little slow at the beginning, but overall, this is great for those interested in the topic.
Thank you!
I've been waiting for this video for a long time, and boy, did you deliver a marvel.
Thank you!
I really wish you had long form written content or transcripts available for those not keen on TH-cam. But again, bravo
If you are interested, I have all the scripts in written form, it is not a problem to share.
@@kaiserbauch9092 And where May I find that good sir?
the best explaination i ever heard.
Yeah, people underestimate how long it takes to make these videos. And you have mentioned israel many times. i can say this as someone that used to make videos (albeit they were pretty crappy)
@TheSwedishHistorian Yes, I just wanted to make it clear :D
Good job!
Thank you!
Amazing video.
Thanks!
The people who are having the most kids in Israel are not the ones who are the most productive in society which means that their children (however many they have) will not be very productive as well. The fertility rate of the country is very much distorted by the fertility rate of the ultra Orthodox Jews. They don’t work, their children don’t receive modern education, they don’t serve in the military. They just sit at home, study their religious text and get paid by the government to have 8-9 kids each. As the population of the ultra Orthodox Jews increase along with their political power making society more strict, many of the moderate Jews will emigrate along with their skills. This is already happening although at a low level but the emigration rate will only increase as the ultra orthodox gets more political power to shape society in their beliefs. The prosperous, secular and economically vibrant Israel of today will slowly degrade away with this demographic shift. In that case, this would be a societal and economic issue and not a demographic advantage. It’s the same case with the fertility issue here in America. Most people who are having multiple kids are people who are not the most economically and socially productive members of society. In fact, our government incentivize these people with things like more welfare and tax returns per child. People don’t think that this is the case but when you are making like $25k a year, getting $3k per kid at the end of the year from the government is a major source of income. Even more so when the government is paying to feed, house, cloth, and educate your kids and you don’t have to spend any money of your own. They and their children will take more out of the system than they contribute. Regular working Americans can barely afford things like housing, education and healthcare while being taxed to death to even think about having a child let alone having multiple. I’ve always said this but it’s not about the quantity of people that you have in a society, it’s about the quality of those people and their positive contributions socially and economically.
In other words, they (the Haredim) are welfare queens.
Their tune will change when they suddenly realize they need to draft themselves to survive.
It somehow works. When a few of the ultra orthodox offspring leave to join the rest of society, you have a symbiotic relationship between secular and religious society. And you better don´t mention "quality" of people as someone from the west. We can all see how GenZ in the west is doing.
@@gabingston3430The financial trickyness is just off the charts
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They will just flee to Britain, Australia, Canada and America if it comes to that.
I’ll add two things I learned about Israel:
1- most Jews there came from Arab countries and the culture is a mix of Jewish and European and middle eastern.
2- Druze were very important as an ally to Jews when creating Israel and their demographics is normally ignored
1. The destruction of the Arab Jews are mainly the fault of the European Jews. Because of the European Jews colonial project to ethnically cleanse the natives in Palestine, anti Jewish sentiments rose in the Arab world and many Arab Jews were expelled from their homelands in Arabia and north Africa. The Zionists were and are a bunch of fundamentalists that never shy away from unaliving fellow Jews. When the colonial state was about to be established, the highest authoritative rabbi in Jerusalem of the Jewish community that had been living there for hundreds of years sent a Dutch Jew to the British to convey their message that they reject the establishment of the colonial state as it is strictly forbidden to do so according to the Torah and the Talmud. The rabbi also visited the King of Jordan and swore loyalty to the Arab ruler. That messenger never reached the British, he was assassinated by the Zionists. His name was Jacob Israël de Haan.
Professor Avi Shlaim who himself an Iraqi Jew pointed out that while the story of the European Jews were the story of persecutions, the story of the Arab Jews were the story of relatively easy live. He pointed out that his own father were a wealthy Iraqi merchant. The household spoke Arabic and dress like Arabs. He also uncovered the evidences that several bombings in Baghdad were done by the Zionists in order to coaxed the Iraqi Jews to leave their homeland and move to Palestine. At the time many Jews outside of refugees from Europe lived perfectly normal live everywhere and they have zero interests in moving to Palestine. But the rise of anti Zionism eventually uprooted them from their homelands.
The tragedy of the Zionists project is two fold; the uprooted of the native Palestinians from their homeland and the uprooted natives Arab and north African Jews from their homelands. Many younger generation Arab and north African Jews nowadays have forgotten their Arabic and north African roots despite looking nothing like European Jews and almost identical to the Palestinians. In fact, if those Arab Jews don't wear their yarmulke or spoke the artificially reconstructed from the dead Hebrew language, they'll look virtually identical to the Arabs in the occupied territories.
2. Benny Morris pointed out that the Druze were just being pragmatic. Their community were small and sandwiched between two warring parties. They just chose the most likely winner to survive. Indeed, Druzes from Syria were actually part of the army to liberate Palestine from the settlers but ultimately the Druze thought that it is much better to live under the settlers rule than to be ethnically cleansed by those settlers just like what happened to the native Palestinians.
@@IbnRizaWhat are you on about? Arab(Mizrachi) Jews these days are equally represented in Israel as Ashkenazi Jews. There is even an explicitly Mizrahi/Sephardic party in Israel's current government.
Also, calling Israel a colonial state is believing in the myth of Hamas' ideology. Israel is the opposite of a colonial state. It represents the most successful indigenous liberation in history. From a dominated minority in Judea and the rest of the world ever since the Jewish expulsion by the Roman empire in 136 CE. To reclaim their ancestral homeland from the British empire in 1948. It showcases the profound success of an indeginous minority group regaining their self-determination.
That's why there is a very strong coalition of indigenous peoples worldwide supporting Israel, believe it or not.
Also remember: Hebrew is the only language that has ever been brought back from the dead.
Good point.
It was invented and has very little connection to the original ancient Hebrew.
@@montisiddique8010 Not true
It's A Modern Language Invented In The 18th Century...😂😂😂
@@jf7654Cry...
As an Israeli, I've seen plenty of videos about global demographics, and not a single one ever mentions Israel. Which is interesting, because as you point out, the example of Israel is a major counterargument against the extremely materialist arguments that pervade a lot of that space about how urbanization and/or gender equality are somehow inherently opposed to a healthy society.
Also, I've rarely seen a video about Israel as well-researched as this one. Israel is an often misunderstood coutry, and frequently when I watch videos about it, I find major factual errors or omissions. You had neither. Great video, and I'll be sticking around your channel.
Gender equality still plays a massive role in fertility rate. Female emancipation almost always leads to low fertility rate even within Israel. As an Israel you of all people should know, who do you think has higher fertility, the Patriarchal Haradim or your average secular loser in Tel Aviv? Just look at all the high fertility countries they are all extremely patriarchal like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Nigeria, Somalia. Face it, women’s rights always equals death of society
Thank you - very insightful and your pronunciation of Hebrew terms is accurate.
Very good video! I like that you acknowledged the difficulty of analyzing such a complicated field that is influenced by so many factors, but were able to back up your point regardless. Minor critique at 30:18 I wouldn't say the compulsory military service is unparelleled in the rich world, Switzerland and South Korea have very similar policies and for similar reasons. Switzerland being neutral and therefore needing a strong independent military in case of attack, and South Korea obviously needing to deal with its northern neighbor.
Do Switzerland and South Korea have compulsory military service for women?
As an Israeli, I follow your videos for a while now, and I love that you care about the truth, statistics, demographics and the future, which are subjects I find fascinating.
I can even theorize I got into that because of me being a citizen in the only developed country with healthy fertility rates…
I want to add a few points I think will interest you: 1. Israelis adore children, while allowing them a lot of freedom.
2. Family and friends are much more tightly connected and expected to help with each other’s children. Israeli families meet at least once a week for dinner on Fridays ( Shabbat dinner), even if they are secular. So a weekly reminder from the parents to cook them some grandchildren, which they promise to babysit, and they can as the country is tiny and no grandparent live too far…
3. Men are not seen as less masculine being caring for children, and you’ll see almost as many men walking around Tel Aviv with strollers, and playing with their kids than you’ll see even in Western Europe.
4. Even the gay community here are super fertile, It took me a while to realize it’s unique to Israel that every gay couple has at least 2 kids in their 30’s…
Great analysis
As someone who's gonna be an important actor in the industrialiazation of a country in Central Africa, Israel is a model in many ways.
What's your angle on industry in Africa? From what I've seen, the cultural barriers are too high. As many dead factories as live ones.
Have you seen something different? Can the cultural backwardness, tribalism be overcome?
@feliz2892 Good country to take an example from!
@@KingMinos316Foreign aid is a big problem for this. If people are being given tractors and farming tools for free, what is the use of creating native industry or buying high tech from other countries? There is none. Complacency is killing Africa
We Israelis would like some partnerships in Africa
AMAZING!!! This answered many questions. Birth rate is not just materialistic.
Thank you!
Fantastic. Love it when you drop a new video.
Edited to add - fascinating. I’ve never looked at Israel, all my own evaluations have been of Canada’s geopolitical rivals.
You are most likely correct on the reasons for the high birth rate being cultural. There’s often that correlation of a country in conflict having a higher birth rate but in this case we are talking a country in conflict for three quarters of a century, and that has to have had an enormous impact on Israeli cultural groups.
The idea of taking over by out breeding them was also tried in the Canadian province of Quebec. It was working till the Quiet Revolution blew it all to hell.
Thanks for your work.
I live in israel, and even in non religious society like in my school which is non religious, almost every one has families with 3-5 brothers and sisters. For exmple in my family I gave two brothers and two sisters
I think its a culturel thing, the israeli society is why more family centerd than other western country's.
@waynesworldofsci-tech Thank you!
Yes. The Quiet Revolution, among other things, resulted in a rapid secularization of Quebec society.
Great vid! :D
This is really interesting. The next 20 yrs will be shocking changes.
No, the Haredim are not parasites, that's ridiculous propaganda, the Haredim are becoming more and more integrated into the country's economic structures. The equivalent of the Haredim in the West, the Hasidim, have good levels of economic success in the USA and Australia, the Haredim will represent a growing share of the population AND contribute more and more to the country. Haredim are Israel's chance, not a challenge, not a curse.
deluded
I wish it were the case. Yitzhak Yosef's latest statement has shown that even the war hasn't changed things.
You have to be naieve to think like that. It is quite clear that the haredim are a liability to the society, economic and a social burden.
@@tFighterPilotI'd disagree, instead it's an example of how Shas has to clamour for relevancy with UTJ. Their constituents already almost all serve. The whole thing is funny to say the least.
@@urbanarmoryI wouldn't use the word "Funny" to describe how they spit on their voters which think it's rain.
At least the Israelites from the lower class up to the upper class have no qualms with the idea that the "purpose of life is to procreate", they have accepted this as simply reality.. unlike in other developed nations that are currently having an existential crisis, overly philosophizing the purpose of life.
But then again, developed nations have too many options, and usually with material abundance comes decision paralysis.
As an Israeli from my personal experience, I have seen that the major difference between Israel and the west is that in Israel people do thinks first and figuer things as they go, compare to many places in the west where they overthink and plan every little detail before it happens
The history of Jewish groups around the world is fascinating. In Greece, there were historically two groups of Jews, the Romaniotes, Jews who settled in Greece during the Roman/Byzantine era, and the Sephardites, Jews who migrated from Spain after the Reconquista, at the invitation of the Ottoman Empire. Their differences in language, culture, place of inhabitance and attitudes to foreign groups was astonishing! The Romaniotes had lived for centuries before the Sephardites in Greece, were better integrated than them, already spoke Greek and had hellenized version of their Jewish names. They were better integrated with the Christians and were mostly centered around Ioannina, the capital of Epirus. They helped it build a strong culture of education, trade and independence. Meanwhile the Sephardites spoke a Spanish-Hebrew Pidgin called Ladino, they mostly lived in Thessaloniki, preferred the Turks to the Greeks, cooperated with them against the revolutionaries, were often tax collectors or executrioners, and were the first to introduce communism to the country. They were thus often seen suspiciously by their Greek neighbors, and marginalized.
When the Nazis invaded Greece in 1941, they enacted their Holocaust policies in full force. However, the better integrated Romaniotes were helped or hidden by their Greek compatriots, and even though it was the smaller community of Jews in Greece, it mostly survived. Same can't be said for the Sephardites of Thessaloniki. Their community was destroyed by the Nazis and there were even Greek collaborators who ratted them out.
After everything was over, most Jews left Greece to live in Israel. It's really sad that a large part of our history ended this way, and especially with all those atrocities. Today there are streets named after prominent Jews in both Ioannina and Thessaloniki
@georgios_5342 Thank you for this insight!
Absolutely disgusting that we have streets named after a foreign population.
Although fertility rates seem to connect to the level of religiousness, there is a general feeling in Israel that having children enriches your life in a sort of basic way. Having kids is somehow a given and it's embedded in culture without being openly promoted by the state (but is in religious institutions). The city of Holon, which is very secular, promotes itself as most child-friendly. It gives special attention to the needs of children, by building playgrounds and safe roads. There's even a children's museum.
The notion of having children has also affected the LGBTQI community. It has almost become a normal for gay couples to have kids. Note: these are overwhelmingly non-religious, non-traditional people by definition but their claim to the right to have kids, actually helps their emancipation and acceptance in society. By having kids, they are able to show their loyalty to 'family-values' shared by much more traditionally-thinking fellow citizens.
right, while what he said in the video is true I just think culturally we just like children and believe they bring a sense of purpose. if even lgbtq couples are adopting there's a clear indication of a society simply liking kids..
agreed
You missed the different groups of Arabs, like the Bedouni, who are more pro-Israel and have the highest birth rate. If I am right, they practice poligmy, which has become a problem for the Israeli state, but it's crazy to think that the Israelis have a higher birth rate than Muslim nations. One factor might be that the secular Jews, who are not nationalists, would move, so the Jewish birth rate would be higher. Because of that selection, you could have mentioned marriage laws in Israel that could be considered very sexist in the West, which might be helping their birth rate, and the biggest important factor is that purity is very valued in Israel, which has been shown to greatly affect the divorce rate.
I was mostly focusing on the Israeli Jews, that is true.
It's worth noting that among the Muslim population, the pattern is similar to the West: not only are fertility rates going down, but they are also correlated with female education. The Bedouin have the least education and most children; the farmers (fellaheen) are in the middle; and the city dwellers have the fewest children.
16:37 Nice to see my map featured on your channel. First time viewer. Thanks for the video!
10:21 immigration is about 3 million in all. The population growth though is 7 million. Its not just immigrants, its also people having kids and raising families.
Hi, Israeli here. You did an accurate analysis of Israeli demographics and I am so happy to finally see a good demographic analysis of Israel on TH-cam. Keep up the good work!❤
@user-rp5un5zf8q Thank you!
Hahahah pff
What a fascinating analysis. I'm assuming that KaiserBauch's conclusions are his own i.e. original. His arguments are well presented. There has been a lot of work done in this field because of the problem of falling populations. A really interesting perspective.
@martin1453 Thank you!
I have the greatest respect for Israel 🇮🇱, it's a fascinating country!
Israel is a showcase study for the proverb: Hard times produce strong men.( 🇮🇱 )
Good times produce weak men who then produce bad times. (🇪🇺).
And of course applies to women as well.
Don't worry too much..strong men of color brown and black are taking over Europe and would produce strong men of future
Souhlas.
I think you like many others have overstated Herzl’s role in the Zionist movement. By the time he was involved, the Zionist movement had been active for decades and Jews were already moving in. Herzl was also wildly unpopular for his particular vision within the Zionist movement at the time. His most notable contributions were his organizational skills and his determination.
@ShnoogleMan Fair enough!
Before Herzl there was no singular movement, but small and scattered groups, or, in some cases, individual initiatives.
Herzl turned it into a proper movement and brought the struggle to the political sphere as well.
Pretty timely topic.
It sure is!
The Jews still understand that they are a nation, and that nations can die. Europeans must learn this lesson again before it is too late.
Agreed. The boiling point is getting closer, but I feel like many European countries are starting to wake up now
israel Is Less Than 47% jewish Today. This Video Is Pure Nonsense...
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It was quite interesting dive, and I have a question.
You explained why usual causes of fertility don't explain Israel's situation. And said that unique local dynamics can explain this. But I am not sure it is a proof that this is specifically a real reason. Like, as you said, in northern Ireland this fighting dynamics doesn't produce high fertility. Why do you sure this is specially the case?
In Northern Ireland the “fighting” has largely stopped, nobody is seriously considering taking up arms anymore. Moreover, it’s part of Western Europe and its society has become as secular as the rest of Western Europe.
@@deaththekid3998in the recent years - yes. But what about back in 20th century, before good Friday agreement, EU and other cool staff? Danger was there, but exceptional fertility - not
happyelephant5384 I think there might have been a slight misunderstanding on your part. In Northern Ireland, the dynamics indeed did produce high fertility rate among the Catholics, it just ended with the troubles.
Because jews are peddling anti-natalist policies in Northern Ireland too, much to the detriment of the natives. Jews don't do that to themselves in israel
I am the youngest of seven children, and my mom is also one of seven children, I don't know how we survived, but we are doing well, cheers from Israel :)
Women in Israel are held accountable unlike in the west; that definitely doesn’t hurt
Where did u get that weird idea? As an Israeli, women here are quite entitled, and blowhards with no will to please men.
what do you mean?
@@GotMyTowel42 they are drafted and are subject to the somewhat more conservative judicial system of Israel. Welfare is more equally distributed. They have actual equality, not this “equality” the west has where women essentially reap all the benefits.
Lol European women want to maintain their h0e lifestyle without the burden and inconvenience of having children ..it's a matter of personal values
@@klown463 that's neat
Logical analysis and just as i thought
Real reason : Feminist ideology has not taken over Israel in the same way it has taken other developed countries because Israel was in a survival situation unlike other western societies.
It's more of a 2nd wave feminism and not 3rd or 4th like the United States. Women in Israel have to serve in the military, get equal pay, have equal opportunity for education, the right to vote and run for office. It's not a system that punishes men for supposed years of oppression like in the United States. It's also a merit based society without diversity quotas.
Exactly. Low birth rates major culprit is feminism
"Merit based" Biggest joke on the planet, fate is fate. @@gold-818
@@gold-818 whats the difference to the West ?
We're very feminist, you know. And also well integrated with LGBT people. We're just more resistant to the culture war aspects (unfortunately it's been more of an issue lately with the imported American brainworm of it). Israelis as a broad generality fight for liberal equality as an imperfect ideal, and are passionate about yelling at each other about it instead of silencing. It's far, far from perfect but I can't help but look at the US and others right now and see it as a warning.
Speaking for myself, until last month's terrorist attack I had not considered having a third child, but am now considering it. The demographic struggle against Israel's enemies is real. I'm not sure if it translates to other countries necessarily though, look at Armenia.
I take it you are an Israeli living in Israel? Out of interest, does the state overtly/actively promote the idea that women should have more children (if so, how?), or is there just a collective sense that this should be the case emanating from events as well as measures like maternity leave mentioned in this video?
Armenians have a lot in common with Jews both have holocausts, both are ethnic group with small homelands with a diaspora larger then the population of said nations and racially they are both a mixture of European and Middle Eastern. The big difference is religion. Armenians follow a universalist religion and over 99% of its followers are not Armenians. Sadly I think Armenia is doomed.
@@Miguel-zc6tjI think it's more cultural than anything. There are some childless women in Israel, but it's not common, and when women do have their first child, the first question they often get is when is the second child coming? Culturally it's weird in Israel to have just one child. There is also a point to be made about relationships: it is normal that your friends or relatives hook you up with someone else they know, and it leads to many good relationships, despite this practice being the butt of many jokes. Families are invested in relationships and I think this causes couples to be happier together on average.
@@Ynhockey Thanks!
It's crazy how many people in the west are supporting Hamas
It's a cover for old Nazi anti-semitic tendencies mixed in with a little jealousy of the Jewish people.
Mostly Muslim immigrants, progressive leftists and some fringe far-rightists.
It is a disgrace.
Plenty of those people, are Muslim immigrants (cuckoos) let in by treacherous governments.
Gotta love Europeans who holocaust-ed Jews by the millions and then dumped on them the Middle East claim that the indigenous Arabs have no right to rebel against their oppressers and colonizers.
I am an Israeli and I have 3 children :)
Most of my friends and colleagues bring the third child around age of 37-40 , wanting to have the "last baby".
The sense of community is very strong, and you are right - fathers are very involved in taking care of the kids.
Overall, Israel is a very kid-centric society,.
Regarding the help from the grandparents, it is important to say that geography helps to stay close to one another, being a small country.
Since my twins were born, both my parents and my mother in law came once a week each to help with the kids, in order to allow me to stay more hours at work and maintain a career.
Great video, mein Kaiser.
Thank you very much! I will be in touch!
I’m gay and Another thing I found interesting in Israel when visiting there: I’ve never seen so many gay couples with kids.
Do you have any statistics on that vs other countries?
@@drjanitor3747 ahh yes. So immoral to allow everyone to live their lives as they wish.
What’s moral to you? The Nobel Palestinians who murder gays and any sexual minority?
@@aupti Palestinians don't let gays kidnap kids? Well shit, send them money
Many of them are unfortunately using women from poor countries to have these kids.
@@tFighterPilotactually Israel allows gay couple do adopt and get surrogacy in Israel.
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There are many lesbian families with kids. Gay are not just men.
In the first part of the video, in contrasting Israel as a place that Jews have *returned* to after 2000+ years away from the homeland with North America, Australia, etc. as places for British and other settlers to migrate to that only had indigenous peoples hitherto, parts of South America (particularly Argentina, Uruguay, and southern Brazil, and maybe Chile as well) should have been included in the list of settler societies which beforehand only had indigenous peoples. And so, it's not just Anglophone settler societies but also Latin American settler societies.
Excellent video as always. While most of the information was fairly accurate, you put way to much emphasis on the survival aspect of the story (i.e. competition with non-Jewish minorities and need for people to protect the country). The simply reality is that, among other things, Israel is still a VERY family oriented country, and given its small geographic size, families get together very often (e.g. the Friday evening Shabbat meal), where the Jewish Mother nags her kids about why she doesn't have enough grandchildren. If you have a Jewish Mother, you know what I'm talking about.
Thanks!
And as for the critique, the issue is that there are many very family oriented cultures around the world with very low fertility. Slovakia or Southern Italy are indeed very family oriented, even clanish, societies. But the fertility is very low.
The answer to the "why" questions is size and culture. Israel is tiny, 70% of the population live within a 30 minutes drive from each other. Each friday, every family takes its children to visit the grandparents for a meal. Grandchildren and granparents are closer in Israel comparing to the west, this is why the granparents are so involved in the raising of the grandchildren. What do granparents say to thier grandchildren whenever they see them (at least once a week)? If the grandchild is single, they ask when will they find a match. If they are not single, they ask when will they marry. If they are married, they ask when will they have a child. Every week again and again, to the point that even LGBT couples in Israel has more children then the west.
Other countries in the world should make it easy and affordable for people to visit their parent in all ages.
It's sounds like hell being asked that every week
@@trevdestroyer8209 They mean well, and ask with a smile, but if you are single and 30+ years old, its hard living in Israel
@trevdestroyer8209 it is VERY unpleasant but the intentions are good so it's hard to take offense. my grandma has been pestering me for years ever since I was sixteen
@firstbinguser 16? They don't even wait until you're 18 or is the age you considered an adult lower in Israel?
@trevdestroyer8209 no shes very old and traditional, she was married in a set up. the age of legality is 18, even if I wanted to I couldn't marry at 16.
As an Israeli , your analysis is accurate.
Thanks for the video, few points to look at.
1- grandparents help because the county is tiny geographically so they can help.
2- in the same way we use the language to shape people's perception of immigration (aliya means to go up, so jews migrating to Israel are going up) we use it to channel the pain from lost soldiers into something productive - a fallen soldier is called a "void", so when a soldier dies we are earged to fill the void. that's why you see spikes in demographics.
3- next week we will commemorate holocaust memorial day so newspapers remind people that in 1939 there were 16m jews around the world and today we are only on 15,7m
4 - when the current war started everything stopped, everything except weddings, yes, you'd see improvised wedding held by all artists in military bases. when parents are informed of a follen san they are given the option to extract semen from the body, and if he had a girlfriend she would often choose to have his baby.
we find peculiar ways to collaborate and work together on our demographics, so we don't have gay marriage but the state assists gays have babies using surrogate treatments.
the expectation is that the current conflict will bring around 30,000 more than expected.
one last thing - the health system:
so we use a voucher based, non profit, 4 health providers competing between them on customers. so they are all trying to attract young families as they tend to be healthier, so cheaper to maintain. their way to do that is to offer the most extensive amount of checks for pregnant woman so TV commercials are full of cute babies, even Gillette sales razors for man by emphasizing the importance of touching daddy's face for a baby.
Since Israel is so small, it must be very easy to get help from family with childrearing, here in sweden its not uncommon to have your parents 5-12h of driving away.
Muslim and African countries will continue to experience large population growth in the coming decades. India's population will remain stable too. It's mostly Western and East Asian countries that will experience depopulation.
Nope because plenty of Muslim and African countries have declining rates too
@@JjkJjk-or9kc Wrong......Africa has the largest population of people under age 25.
@@nuwberian732 I am talking about fertility rates dmbfvck
@@nuwberian732North Africa will have subsarahan African immigration explode, it already has.
Western countries will have significant net in-migration. Canada and the USA are only growing due to this.
israel is something else
As an Israeli I have to say im soo impressed by your knowledge, you really understood the small parts in our culture and demographic that other foreigners dont understand ❤, but I think you left out one important thing in Israel we say "children are joy" we as citizens grow up much faster then westerners (which is a good thing if you ask me )but to "combat " it we do children and relive the childhood through them ...
israel Is Less Than 47% jewish Today. This Video Is Pure Nonsense...
Also, You Have Nothing To Be Proud About...
4:40 lol I actually do that haha I even look at the projection of pyramid structures of countries until 2100 haha
The best passtime :D
"replacement theory isnt real, because...it just isnt, ok?!!!"
"okay maybe its real, but its not caused by one specific group!!"
us autists are praised for our pattern recognition... up until we recognize no no patterns
The thing is it's somewhat scarier, it's not a shadow group controlling the process, it's just the ignorance of the masses
lol what? 😂 what does this have to do with the video?
@@shzarmai just stay in your happy little bubble, don't worry about it
We pay for them to have kids, while we get evaporated, their healthcare and many other factors of their entire life are propped up entirely by the U.S and european countries..
@@shzarmaijust stay ignorant untill the invaders take your home
The “developed” world🤣🤣
Are you also gonna say democratic??🤣🤣
If the USA (somehow) collapsed, Americans could go to the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.
If France (somehow) collapsed, the French could go to Belgium, a lot of African countries like Senegal, Switzerland.
If Germany (somehow) collapsed, Germans could go to Austria, Switzerland.
If Russia (somehow) collapsed, Russians could go to Belarus, Kazakhstan, Mongolia.
If Israel (somehow) collapsed, Jews would..?
GO TO HELL!
Israeli here all i can say that it's skill issue
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אין עתיד בשום מקום. המצב נהיה חרבנה בכל העולם. אבל לפחות פה יש בית ועם שלך.
It's fascinating how Israel has managed to solve, or maybe rather avoid, the demographic problem so many other industrialized nations face. But I don't think their model is something that can be replicated elsewhere, since Israel is a very unique contry in so many ways. And they have a unique set of problems, that no one else wants. I surely hope that conflicts of a similar kind to what Israel has is not the solution to demographics.
I don't personally want children, but many studies suggest that most people do, and that most want more than they end up getting. So the problem isn't that people don't want kids, it's that other factors prevent them. In Israel, people still have enough incentive to keep the birthrate above the threshold. In the rest of the developed world, this incentive is lacking. And there's numerous reasons why.
I think it's likely that our societies need a massive overhaul. If we want to reverse the demographic trend, it's not enough with a few reforms around the edges. Raised retirement age, more economic support for families and immigration. They all help in the short term and lessen the problem, but they're not a long term fix.
they never did and they cant fix the issue
If the West replicated Israels demographics we would face major declines in living standards and great social problems. Our resources are maxed out.
Honestly with such a high IQ and EQ baseline demographic the intellectual capital of this state is a gift to the world. If you consider the amount of Jewish inventions and innovations from medical, aerospace, telecommunications, microprocessing, engineering and general Stem fields the more Jews born the likelihood of a breakthrough that improves the standard of living globally increases which already has been the case if you look at a list of Jewish discoveries and inventions over the last 100 years. Now look at Japan and the innovation they have brought to the world and how it has pretty much helped everybody but with a drop in the Japanese fertility rate the potential for breakthrough inventions drop leading to a global slow down of innovation. High IQ and EQ populations help us all and with less of those people in the world life will only get harder for all of us. The high fertility rate of good intellectual capital should be an international endeavor.
Most of the Jews with a high birth rate are economically unproductive, so tame your hope.
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Most of the innovation produced in Israel are from European Jews as well. The other 70% of Jews are mostly deadweight in academia.
@gold-818 I agree.
Not all people are equally intelligent. It is not necessary to increase the fertility rate of the entire population group, only those who show promise.
Yes. I’d they wouldn’t use it to control the USA and destroy the USA and Europe with ethnic mixing while rescuing their Jewish supremacy state, this would not be a problem. He warned us, but we didn’t want to listen 🇮🇱🤮🇮🇱