Game of Thrones: Season 3: Episode #5 Clip: Jaime Tells the Truth About the Mad King (HBO)
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The Kingslayer comes clean to Brienne about the circumstances surrounding the Mad King's murder.
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Jamie's death was truly poetic. Buried under rubbles, just like his entire development
This was foreshadowed in S1EO1 where as Jaime shoves bran out the window, D&D shove Jaime’s character development out the window.
Jonathan “The things we do for shock factor.”
-D&D
"We decided to comr full circle with the finale. We started game of thrones with a very small audience, and we chose to end also, with a very small audience"
-Dabe Pennyoff
Jamie should’ve killed Cersei in some twisted way which once again saved innocent lives or it looked like Jamie Arya wearing his face or some shite it missed so many good potentials moments. I go on & on........Hodor
@Rhaenys Aryan lmao you've no idea how writing works do you
Brilliant acting. In the books, Brienne says he looked like "half a corpse and half a god". Nikolaj Coster-Waldau nailed it.
Wow!
He does look very much like modern depictions of Jesus Christ. You could even say that this bath was almost like a baptism for Jaime, as he was finally able to really embrace who he was and not what the others thought of him.
I'd say he looks more like a corpse and less a god
Vicious Zero you sir are very on point
I get serious Baldur from God Of War vibes of Jamie in this scene
People don't realize how well this scene was filmed.
Brien clean and in good lightning
Jamie dirty, hurt and in shadows
Lightning.. is she some kind of thor
@@GodNotReal Well there's the storm god who destroyed storm's end a few times.
Half corpse, half god as Brienne describes Jaime in the book.
The shot where she realizes she would've have killed the Mad King too half her face drops back into shadow.
The honorable Lady Brienne and the disgraced Oathbreaker
Damn. A five minute monologue. But you never really notice because this scene draws you in intensely. His storytelling is so vivid.
This was the scene which had convinced me to watch the series! It was so good. Except for the last season.
Honeslty, this felt like a few seconds
Intensity. Can see it bubbling and building throughout those 4+ minutes
GOOD POINT! I didn't even noticed it's 5 minutes of exposition until you pointed it out!
@@ReginaCopado
Ya, I normally last 3 minutes.
Then she tells me to leave.
When Jaime said "By what right does the Wolf judge the Lion?!" He didn't just say it. He *roars* it.
I really am puzzled. Does the wolf had the right to judge the lion?
@@finnheisenheim8274 The Lion is the King of the Jungle. But the Wolf is the King of the Forest.
@@finnheisenheim8274 Lion is the king of the jungle as someone as already said. Also lions = Lannisters and wolves = Starks (because of their house emblems).
he said it with such pain , meaning he wanted so badly to tell the Stark but couldn't. Also the first episodes he wanted to try but they suddenly killed Ned Start before he could say a word
@@Death_Korps_Officer Lions don't even live or go into the jungle, they live in open Savannas
Look what they did to my boy
S03E03: I killed the king I swore to protect. I besmirched my honor because I had to do the right thing.
S08E05: I never gave a fuck about those civilians anyhoo.
Look how they massacred my boy...
Jaime could have written *himself* better in season 8. And he has one fucking hand. Thanks D&D(dumb and dumber)
smh at you people complaining because you didn’t get a happy ending
Cheddar Bob wasn’t about getting a happy ending, but a well written one
the way he throws "would you have kept your oath then?" at her is so well done. He's so sick of being judged by those for whom honor comes unchallenged, by someone who never had to make a choice between a vow he cared more about than his life and doing the right thing.
He didn’t need to kill him though
@@GgCashh451 he kinda did though
@@Hank.. not really I mean the pyromancer was dead he could’ve kept him prisoner or held his ground and likely been taken captive. Barristan held his ground and still stayed a kingsguard because Robert had a lot of respect
@@GgCashh451 And then do what? His father would show up and demand the King's head. Plus, there were many pyromancers in the books and Jaime had to hunt all of them down, a single word from Aerys that reached one of them would have been the end of it, he couldn't risk.
he was especially sick of Brienne's holier than holy attitude all the time
0:56 - That eye snap from Brienne. She suddenly aware that she's being made privy to - what is essentially - top secret state information. Before that point it was all tired clichés about The Mad King's paranoia. But now she's listening to a truthful account from someone who was actually there.
What’re you doing in this comment section 😮
She managed to convey so much in this scene with so little dialogue, great display of her acting prowess.
Also hi Womble!
Soviet, I'll never get over your appreciation and analyses of scenes like this. Even if most on your channel might not see this, it really helps contextualize who you are and how you think.
It's really cool :)
Bro, quit binging GoT clips. I'm doing the same and have seen you in three others!
Womble in a binge too I see lol hekki
Anyone here after S8E05, where Jaime apparently never cared if the people of King's Landing burned alive? Yeah...
I think this was after he killed the mad king and was despised for the same from the people of kingslanding....when he killed the mad king he cared enough for the people to the point he killed his own king whom he was sworn to protect...these are the the same people who despised him without knowing the other side...
Trash season
Well, i guess some entity took over minds of motivations of all heroes after season 6.. i wonder what evil that might be?
@@alexanderbenkendorf688 D&D
Dumb&Dumber somehow managed to fuck up the best character in any fantasy medium...
It's really nice to see how little Jaime cares about innocents
He condemned himself to a life of disgrace and misery just to save others...Truest of all knights
@@thetasworld Yeah but apparently in S8Ep05, "I never cared much for the people, innocent or otherwise."
@@DrRockso1987 we dont talk about season 8 here sir!
DrRockso1987 he just lie to brienne
@@mbig1805 no he didnt, stop pretending
I love how Nikolaj's body language changes over the course of the scene, in step with his emotion. He starts off bitterly amused as he says "That's the look. I've seen it for seventeen years," and as he relives the moment he gets angrier and more resentful, all the while slowly getting weaker until he's picturing the way Ned Stark looked at him and just _forcing_ out the last few words full of such utterly justified rage, barely able to keep himself upright. Seriously fantastic work.
I wouldn't say he's bitter. He's been wrongly judged by everyone. He has every right to be upset about how he's treated. Catelyn loathed him and Ned loathed him for almost no reason other than he was a Lannister and "betrayed" the king but he saved the entire King's Landing from his madness, same thing with Daenerys in season 8 except she blew everyone up. If they were so "honorable" and "wise" then why did they exit the show so early? The hypocrisy from Ned as well when he talks to Jaime when he says: "But you just stood there and watched..." Then you see the person Ned supported Stannis watching his own daughter being burned alive and begging for her life while Stannis just stood there and watched. Ned wasn't a good guy and Catelyn made stupid decisions and mistakes that started this whole thing.
@@Sigurjon96 I mean, that's basically what I'm getting at. He's bitter because he, more than anybody, did the right thing and he's been judged and hated for it ever since. He has a RIGHT to be.
@@Sigurjon96Catelyn was the sole reason most of the starks died and they died like the fools they were lol bc while yeah their death‘s were tragic and all but they were not smart at all
@@deusvult6164 She did not trust the Lannisters because they pushed Bran and attempted to kill him.
And at the end they are all complex, Jaime had a point, he was a scared boy who was threatened by the king and when he saw Aerys intended to kill all of the citizens of Kingslanding he knew he had to act.
Catelyn is a Tully tho
"Jaime...my names Jaime."
This is Jaime truly introducing himself to Brienne and to the audience, letting the facade of the Kingslayer fall away.
Then D&D forgot.
SAVE HIM!!!!
I liked your comment, then I hit "read more" and saw what you wrote. So I took my like back.
@@IkonikBeast They did kinda forget tho
@@maniacalmatt917What is D&D? Is that like production or script writers?
@blueskadoo1402 the show runners, David Bennioff and D.B Weiss
D&D kind of forgot about this scene
"But this scene didn't forget ab-", UGH I'm so disheartened by this season to even finish the joke.
I wish I could kind of forget about this whole season.
Well they didn't - they remembered about caches of wildfire around the city.
Which makes this even worse. D&D remembered the scene but decided to trash Jamie's character anyway.
Yep they kinda forgot
The worst part is I don't think they forgot, I think they legitimately remember this scene and added that "I never cared about them" line just so they can justify Jaime's heel turn and deny him this. They will outright ruin this scene just so they can forcefully try and make sense of Jaime throwing away his character development.
All Brienne wanted was a bath and she got his entire life story lol
that's what too much alcohol does
Tinder dates be like
The imposter among us
@@centernova among us
@@TheWefikus balls amongus
Honestly Jaime is the most tragic character of the show. He saved hundreds of people by breaking his oath and the only recognition he received was the title of "kingslayer".
It was his Kobayashi Maru, and he passed.
John snow
Hundreds of Thousands
Most of the good characters are tragic asf.. Look at John Snow.. after all he did, he ended up being banished, sacrificed his love for the better and gets shit on..
Same with Hound.. what a sad story.
Ned stark, no need to even explain.
Theon..
The saddism is there everywhere.. not just with Jamie xd
Hundreds? more like hundred of thousands! D&D ruined his story arc.
"he judged me guilty the moment he set eyes on me" a powerful line, as in the books Jaime is haunted by this in dreams. In his dreams he remebers Stark riding the length of the throne room in silence, only his eyes spoke, cold and grey and judging, the eyes of a Lord
well he was guilty of breaking his vow and at the same time he did it for the correct reasons. Ned could also be somewhat foolish with his honor that got him killed.
And Jamie was sitting on the throne when he walked in
@@joshthaller4754 Ned gets a bad rep for supposedly being "foolish" when it's just the craziest circumstances that led to his death. How could he have guessed that Robert would die right before he could tell him the truth, or that Cersei was an absolute monstrosity of a human being, or that a 13-year-old Joffrey was the most vicious idiot in the world, or that Ser Barristan would not back him up for having a signed statement from the king clearly declaring him the ruler at the time. Too many stars aligned that lead to his death. It wasn't his honor that got him killed, because if any one of those things I mentioned weren't the case, he would still be alive.
There was also that Lannister army at the door. It is not a weird judgment to think Jaime's act was self-serving.
@@mohamedalahmadani5174 I don't really agree with this take. Someone like Ned does not survive long in the capital; he had and made too many enemies. He refused to play the Game of Thrones because of his honor and that honor lead to his demise. Sure, in a perfect vacuum, if any of those circumstances didn't take place he might still be alive, but that's not how reality works. The culmination of his actions, values, and choices led to his doom.
Even Littlefinger, as schemy and slimy as he was, gave Ned valuable advice that would've helped him stay alive. Like did he really think he had the power to bring The Mountain and Tywin, the most powerful man in Westeros, to justice? Ned was terrible at politics and was an "honorable fool" as Robert called him. Varys warned him of the dangers that could befall him or Robert, but he didn't take heed. He placed his trust in so many people that worked to undermine him.
“I never cared for them - innocent or otherwise” - Jaime Lannister, S8E5. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo did D&D just forget that this scene exists? The whole reason that Jaimie is the Kingslayer was so he could save all of these innocent people?
Jaime said that because even after he did murder the mad king the people hated him and called him the Kingslayer.. so I think after all that.. he realizes that "nothing else matters" :)
Jaime is all about pretending not to care but deep inside really caring about everything everyone thinks of him. He cares what people think of him because he in the first place didnt have accepted himself. when he leaves brienne and returns to kings landing only to die in the arms of cersei, thats where he finally has accepted himself.
D&D kind of forgot about every past season
Dungeons & Dragons?
@@heat4yoass David (Benioff) and Dan (Weiss), the showrunners. In the Inside the Episode for 8x04, they say "Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet and Euron's forces"
Its tragic, really. The name "Kingslayer" followed Jamie so well, that even after he spilled his heart to Brienne, and explained that he did what he had to do, she still refereed to him as kingslayer. Which makes his follow up, "Jamie, my name is Jamie" that much sadder. He wants the nick name to be gone, so bad.
TreyShawn42 Yeah she kinda fucked up right after listening to him spilling his guts like that XD
Best part of the show
well he started passing out in hot tub where he could drown and may have needed medical attention. Unfortunately for him his nick name may ring more bells than his actual one or a simple call for help would.
Kingslayer is a dope nickname tho
It's the last time she calls him that though. After this he is "Ser Jaime".
I love how her face slowly breaks down and reveals emotions as she realizes he’s 100 percent telling the truth.
He did the right thing. Saving the people by getting rid of a tyrant. Very respectable.
“He judged me GUILTY the moment he set eyes on me.”
Hearing Jamie’s side really changes your perspective on things
Do you think Ned Stark's opinion on Jaime would have changed if he had told him this story?
@@mattavery7581 idk. I would like to think so. But Ned was stubbornly honorable. Especially in the books. So honestly, I couldn't say.
@@KatoTheKing That was Ned's problem. He saw the world in black and white and was never interested in seeing the other half of the story.
@@mattavery7581 I think yes. There are couple times in story when Ned chose his family and the safety of the innocent over honor (hiding who Jon’s real parents are or when Ned before his execution said that he lied and Joffrey is a legitimate king for the safety of Sansa, Arya and his other children). Plus it also adds tragedy to the story because of all the people Ned would understand Jaime and his choices the most.
I mean, how could Ned not judge him? He sees Tywin and his men pillaging all over, he gets to the throne room to find the king dead and Jaime sitting there. He should have explained himself, the worst Ned would have done is sternly advice to leave the king's guard
"Would you keep your oath, then?" What a powerfull line, it was after this scene that i started liking him.
I love how their "Would you stay loyal?" suddenly means "Would you let thousands of innocent people burn to death?"
I like him ever since I know he bang his sister
I've always loved Jaime. Even when He was throwing kids off towers and sleeping with his sister. I saw vulnerability and greatness in him. Still do
@@fitrianhidayat So the first episode, then?
@@neolexiousneolexian6079 if instead of jaime,was ned or stannis,kings landing would burn
god damn this show used to be so good
Fidel Cashflow how tf else would you have written it? everybodys fkng complaining but no one has any better ideas
Nico Ledesma almost everyone has better ideas tf u on
@@nic343 Nico Ledesma
1) Kill Rhaegar one episode later, since you didn't bother to give Daenerys enough time and reasons to go mad. Make them ring the bells, Daenerys accept the surrender and then have Cersei/Euron kill the dragon with a scorpion. Daenerys burns King's Landing in a rage, this time for a reason. Plus you solve the idiotic appearance out of nowhere of the fleet in the episode before by simply...not doing that.
2) Let Jaime have his final hero moment. Let him attempt to convince Cersei to back down, kill her if she has something nasty planned, or have him go ring the bells himself and die in the process, or even let him attempt a queenslaying and try to end Daenerys as she's rampaging. Plus let Cersei do something other than stare the city from her window.
@@PoorTwistedMe93 Rhaegar died on the Trident who you talking about...? Rhaegel? Not insulting just trying to understand.
@@dragonnsv9710 I meant Rhaegel. Even if to be fair, we could call him "Not Drogon #2" for the amount of relevance he had.
I love the simplicity of how this was shot. No cutaway flashback, just simple back and forth shots, low lighting, only subtle movements, a slight zoom on their faces and a hint of music as Jaime's story draws to its climax. They have complete confidence that the actors can carry the whole scene by themselves, and they do.
Visualizing it as an audience made this scene more epic.
What Jaime says about Pycelle at 1:54 says a lot about his character and it was an underrated part of his character development. It shows us for the first time that Jaime isn’t like the others at Kingslanding and hates all the scheming that goes on. Before that you would have imagined Jaime was in on the scheming too with people like Pycelle due to how loyal Pycelle is to Tywin and Cersei.
Even more context if you’ve seen the deleted scene where it’s shown that Pycelle is faking his slouch and stutter.
@@timiadeogun6159 You didn't need that deleted scene, there was already an earlier scene in the show that made it in where Pycelle does the same thing while getting ready for the morning, and its way more subtle and easy to miss.
@@SteelBallRun1890still, nobody should complain about a little more screen time for tywin
Pycelle was always loyal to house Lannister. Tyrion had his manhood cut off. You could bet he knew Jamie's story.
“I don’t think he expected to die, he meant to burn with the rest of us and rise again, reborn as a dragon. Turn his enemies to ash.” The delivery of this, well the whole scene in general, is flawless.
I like the slow rise in the music when he said it. It’s something mystical and tragic about it, as if Aerys really could rise again as a dragon
He would actually be right to expect to live through it since regular fire doesn’t kill targaryans since they are like part dragon
@@terdfergeson23 that not really true. The only canon time that happened was with Daenerys hatching the dragons because it was a “miraculous” event. Targaryens are not fire proof in the books but the show made Daenerys into a fire goddess
Exactly. Aerion Brightflame died from drinking Wildfire and Aegon V more than likely burned or choked from fumes at Summerhall.
The "I slit his throat to make sure that didn't happen" is the best part of that line IMO. This might be my favorite scene in the show
Season 3 writing: Phenomenal dialogue and character development, building their arcs.
Season 8 writing: Shallow conversations and dramatic glares.
Season 3 writing: 99% word for word from the books
Fuck man I’m still so gutted about the last couple of seasons....
"But you're muh queen..."
@@k3nfr0st39 SHE... IS MAH KWEEN.
Hey don't forget the snarky one-liners!
“By what right does the wolf judge the lion?” is my favourite line in the show. So damn powerful. Nikolaj delivered it brilliantly.
That line badass
You could tell that ned judging him back then is whats been bothering him this whole time. Whenever someone calls him kingslayer its not they're judgment thats bothering him but him thinking of ned judging him at that moment. Its shows ned was a person he looked up to and still does all throughout the show.
Yeah because I like to other people he utilized looking down on him as well like barriston & black fish
I think the real reason Ned hated Jaime so much is because he stole his chance for revenge. Jaime killed Aerys before Ned could avenge his father and brother.
@@OrochiFlamez Ned wouldn't have killed Aerys unless he absolutely had to in self defense. He would have captured him to be tried and executed.
@@CrashB111 And he would have been the one to cut the mad kings head off personally, thereby killing him and avenging his family.
Yep. The quite wolf demanded respect 🐺
"Do you really think the honorable Ned Stark wanted to hear my side?"
I think it mattered to Jaime how Ned saw him. Jaime knew Ned Stark was honorable. That's why he killed his own man for wounding Ned during their fight. He told Tywin he didn't kill Ned after the wound because the fight wouldn't have been clean. I think Jaime had a lot of respect for Ned, even if he didn't really like him.
Couldn't agree more
Totaly agree,👏👏👏
He didn’t kill his solider, he knocked him out by hitting him with the pommel of his sword
You are not wrong. In the books, Jamie has a dream where all the Knights and men he looked up to are there, both judging him and glowing brighter than ever. Ned is one of those men.
The full quote from the book explains it a bit better:
"The knights of the Kingsguard are sworn to keep the king's secrets. Would you have me break my oath?" Jaime laughed. "Do you think the noble Lord of Winterfell wanted to hear my feeble explanations? Such an honorable man. He only had to look at me to judge me guilty." Jaime lurched to his feet, the water running cold down his chest. "By what right does the wolf judge the lion? By what right?"
If he told Ned (or anyone) he would be breaking another oath, so to a man as honourable as Ned, that would only make Jaime look even worse.
"I never really much cared for them, innocent or otherwise."
How, just how on earth could they forget writing this scene?
Well D&D kinda forgot about everything that happened before season 8.
Jaime kinda forgot he cared about the people of King's Landing
That's because they had Martin's writing to adapt here, not to mention Martin was also writing for the show.
Jaime never really cared much for the people, that's why he lived in disgrace as Kingslayer until he died despite being a hero. Smh
They forgot about this like Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet
Just some amazing writing by Martin. And some amazing acting by Nikolaj. Entire cast is remarkable.
The gritty voice break “would you have kept your oath then?” Gives me chills everytime.
RIP Jamie''s character arc
Jaime "I never gave a shit about those people" Lannister
They destroyed it
Its a circle more than an arc now lol
@@MultiLililililili Circling back to Cersei is fine but this isn't
Wolf packs are much more powerful than lion packs. And I’d choose a wolf against a lion. I lion can be tamed and perform into a circus but the wolf does not. But Jaime was right in that scene. I am team Jaime on that
Ned and Jaime both allowed themselves to look like fools, each by an heroic "act of secret-keeping."
They really are much more alike than either would ever admit
@@ch5635
Indeed. I think Jaime is somewhat like Sawyer on LOST: fundamentally a great and heroic man, but with a well-hidden sense of self-loathing that's always trying to make everyone else see an irredeemable scoundrel.
@@TheDisinterestedSpectator I'm pretty sure he outright admits that in one of his POV chapters, that he uses arrogance and bravado to mask his inner bitterness
Exactly; and the sad irony is that because of that Ned may well have been one of the few Lords of Westeros who would have understood Jaime's perspective, but Ned's overly-rigid sense of honour and Jaime's over-inflated sense of pride led to both of them judging and despising the other. Imagine how different things could have turned out if a good Stark and a good Lannister had actually found it in themselves to bond over their similarities.
@@robertwinslade3104 Actually Jaime was looking at Ned Stark with admiration, in one of his pov i think he spoke about it. But then kicks the ego and all is history! Trully remarkable characters both and very good actors. He is one of a few that still keeps me on watching the shit show that is the tv series abomination now
"By what right does the wolf judge the lion" one of the best Jaimie Lanister scenes.
The way he asks “would you have kept your oath then is one of the most phonetically beautifully spoken lines by this actor
Jaime should’ve killed d&d instead and be called Dumbslayer. Sounds better huh
Dumbslayer, Foolslayer, Slayer of the Delusional. Take your pick.
Lmao
He would have been a Hero and loved by everyone .
Hahahahahaha got em.
Not Sansa Stark Are you the real Sansa Stark
I love how Ser Jaime pours his heart out & she still shouts “THE KINGSLAYER” at the end 🤣
Maybe that's how everybody remembered his name.Brienne untill this point calls his kingslayer and in the later seasons calls him ser Jaime
But in the next episode she calls him Ser Jaime. It needed time to sink in.
Because she didn't know his name. She knew he was a Lannister, and the Kingslayer. After this scene, she only refers to him as Ser Jaime.
@@JinxedPixie88 Sorry, she really did know his name. Everybody knew Ser Jaime Lannisters name.
she turned the name into an honorable title instead of a judgement that people gave to him
This is my favorite scene from the entire show. The dialogue is brilliant and the acting is superb. Not to mention it's the first time we truly understand Jaime to be more than just a cocky prick.
I always think the "cocky prick" part of him is his way of coping with the fact that everyone despises him. I think he's using the, "there's no point trying to convince them otherwise so I'm just gonna own this." method.
However, I suspect in this scene he'd finally had enough. How he went on putting up with all that shit for 17 years, I'll never know. I'd've reached my breaking point a lot sooner.
This has to be one of the best acted scenes I've ever seen. Nikolaj Coster Waldau absolutely nailed every detail.
That scene, that scene reveals who Jaime is : a man of honour, complex, with flaws, but a knight above all. Saved half a million people by breaking his most precious oath.
Nah really doesnt care about the innocent or otherwise
The greatest swordsman in all of the seven kingdoms 🌝
Served the king well when serving was safe
He wants to be an honorable man but his love for Cersei pushes him to do vile things. Like when he does the right thing and rides north to fight the undead and knights Brienne, only to leave her and return to Cersei
@@coconut906 "things we do for love"
Also people don’t forget. He was around 16-17 when this happened. The emotional turmoil for a child to disobey everything taught. Everything he knows has to be flipped to save everyone he loves. Just wtf. No wonder his character is so messed up. And he doesn’t care what people think of him. He did the hardest thing any child could do. And wears the weight of it on his shoulders for life. After all who’d trust the word of a child over the word of the kings of winter...
DualNexus I believe he was 19 as he was born 262 and Averys died in 281, but yeah still really young. He’s been called Oathbreaker for 18 years by the time we get to the first season so I believe he’s embraced it to hide his crippling insecurities and frailties. The Jamie that we see now is probably quite similar to how Jamie was before he killed the mad king.
@@Mitlak3000 I we're going by the books Jaime was born in 266
And Aerys died in 283, so Jaime was 17. He was the youngest Kingsguard ever when he was appointed at 15 during the tourney at Harrenhall
It's been 15 years from the end of the rebellion to the start of the story
The show looks like it aged everyone up by at least 2 years
The Wolf of Justice and Truth yeah they started fucking when they were like 13,14
Michael Nyamute Jr. sure but this is the show. Jorah Mormont is a creepy dude in love with like a 15 year old Dany in the book as well so think it’s best we go off the show lmao
@@Mitlak3000 They were messing around with each other from the age of 7
The exact quote from Jaime was, "They saw dogs and bitches and stallions and mares mating in the field and played at doing the same"
They were caught by their mother and slept on opposite sides of the castle after that. Shortly after Tyrion was born which was a few months later, Jaime was sent away to be a page and a squire
They did Jaime dirty in S8. All that character development tossed away in moments.
I love how after all that, she still yells, "the king slayer!" 😂
I love the way Brienne's facial expressions change gradually throughout this scene. First, she looks at Jamie with pure contempt. Then, when he begins to tell his story, she's intrigued and wants to listen. After that, she's shocked at what the Mad King did and horrified that nobody knows the truth of what Jamie did. Stellar acting by Gwendoline Christie there.
Too bad Phasma was this good…
Yeah right, nikolaj’s acting doesnt deserve credit
@@thedjsubii ??? Just because they're praising Christie's acting doesn't mean that they're downplaying Coster-Waldau's
@@thedjsubii I don’t know how to break this to you but you’re kinda dumb
How was her acting stellar in this scene. All she did was make faces.
One of the best characters ever written on television. Jaime was far from flat, he was complex, has real motivations, difficult moral decisions. How did they manage to ruin such a beautiful characrer this season?
D&D clearly didn't look back on the previous seasons before they made the final episode with Jaime......no wonder me and everyone else thought S8 was a complete utter mess
The show went to shit in season 5, with the Dorne plot. S8 was just the culmination of a slow and steady decay.
he is the best in the book too
easy.....its was settled through negotiation that help manufactured an increased amount of butter and toast
@@user-qj7ku6wi3b There was a lot of cool stuff that happened in Dorne too, But D&D "kinda forgot" about that too.
"you think....the Honorable Ned Stark, wanted to hear my SIDE?" this exact line is exactly why I love GRRM's writing, how everything is so nuanced, it was easy to pull Ned to a war against Lannisters because he looked down on Lannister's 'lack of honor', since he saw them as bad guys it was so easy for Littlefinger to deceive him, and it's nuanced because it's not only Littlefinger being able to do this but the fact that Ned's flawed world view makes all these horrible things possible to happen, so the question is, is Honor worth enough for all these people getting slaughtered in a war?
He was right to look down on Tywin, and he didn't know that Jaime saved thousands of innocents from being burned alive because Jaime never told anyone and killed everyone else who knew(the king and his pyromancers).
The only line D and D's Ayra got right was, "My father wasn't wrong. The world was wrong." Ned was a good man who didn't believe he was good enough, so he was harsher on his own expectations for himself. Such as in the crypts where lay the Starks of old, he feels judged unworthy by those from hard times that had forged even harder men. Men utterly without mercy or hesitation because hesitation was death. Men who even the Red Kings of the Dreadfort bowed their heads to.
4:11 This line about Ned really showcased how Ned's biggest virtue which is his honor, is also his biggest flaw
This scene had an amazing foreshadow. When Jaime says "I killed the Mad King to save the thousands of people of King's Landing forever staning my honor in the process" he was actually foreshadowing him "not really caring about the people of King's Landing at all". D&D are geniuses of their craft!
Big brain
He killed the Mad King in order to be cheered upon as a hero the moment he leaves the Red Keep and shows the people the sword with which he killed the tyrant. Their unexpected negative reaction completely surprised him, hence the bitterness of his demeanour. I truly believe that it was one of Martin‘s ideas with Jaime saying that. I somehow have the feeling that it wasn‘t born from the mind of D&D
@@larochejaquelein3680 in the D&D series maybe. But in the books despite Jaime pretending to be a cynical and bitter person, his every action betray this facade. Whenever possible he always tries to find a solution that would result in the least amount of bloodshed, even putting his own life in the front like when he challenges Robb to a 1v1. This behaviour only exacerbates after his time with Brienne, where he goes back to rescue her from the bear pit after the last time he rescued her from being raped had cost him his sword hand. Later, he resolves the siege in Riverrun by negotiating a peaceful surrender, something neither Tywin nor Cersei would have considered. Even after becoming disillusioned with the world of knights and kings, his way of thinking and behaving is still that of the idealistic honorable knight from stories. And in the last book, when he has to choose between going back to his sister to fight as her champion in her trial, and going wherever Brienne asked him to go, he ends up choosing Brienne.
@@lezard2102 What we may agree on is that Jaime is a conflicted man. He once threatened to murder the whole population of Riverrun and commit pedicide when he made a menacing remark to kill Edmure‘s child. And yes, these are all innocents he threatened to kill. Moreover, he ruthlessly betrayed the innocent heart of his brother when he supported the intrigue which contained the whole Tysha fiasco. You may say he was bluffing when he made the threats to the innocents of Riverrun, and you may say he was forced to betray his brother‘s heart, but a true knight who cares for innocents and is without a conflicted heart would have made a better decision. The one decision you do not regret afterwards. It is vexatious to me that many disregard the negative aspects of Jaime‘s personality. It‘s similar to Daenerys. Her pulchritudinous appearance blinds the book readers and renders them unable to see and judge her evil actions. Remember how she tortured an innocent wineseller‘s daughter, or refused to put down and rid herself from her dragons who have murdered many (yet again) innocent people. It is always important to truly see through a character‘s heart, and not just cherry pick the good deeds
Can you believe people actually try to defend what they did to him? Crazy
I still can't comprehend how NCW didn’t win an Emmy for this scene!
You're not alone. I think NCW and Alfie Allen deserve Emmy the most, more than Emilia and Dinklage and Lena Headey TBH.
He deserves a goddamn Oscar for his performance in Shot Caller.
@Azor Ahai and you think you do?
Emilia Clarke doesnt deserve any reward relating to acting lmao
@Azor Ahai Yeah right
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau delivers an emmy-worthy monologue here, but Gwendoline Christie's facial expressions are a _masterpiece_ of unspoken dialogue- the shock when Jaime tells her about the wildfire, the horror when she realisis exactly what Aerys had been planning, the dawning realisation that Jaime didn't murder Aerys for his family's power after all, the doubt when Jaime asks her how far even her own loyalty would go if it had been tested the to the ultimate limit, even the sympathy when she realises how unfairly Jaime has been maligned for _seventeen years_ and the confusion as to why he just allowed it to stand.
I love how Jaime’s whole character revolves around love and the things he does for it. Even his name, J’aime, means “I love”. Goated character.
It's sad that GoT ended after 4 seasons, it was a great show.
meh, I think season 5 is as great. got ended after season 5
I wonder what happened to Daenerys in the end. I can only image she became an amazing queen that brought forth a new era of peace and equality.
@@crem-crem4070 I wonder what happened to the Night King? Great guy, I hope he won, made Tyrion his hand and celebrated to the gods of tits and wine
season 6 was the best season imo, dunno what youre talking about
@@cabuscus best *ending*
While Ned Stark was a stubborn man practically to the end, I think Jaime should have told him this. As much as Ned hated the Lannisters, I think he despised the Mad King far more. Maybe instead of being a snarky asshole when the two of them meet in King's Landing, Jaime should have told him that story.
***** hey what sup deathwing copyright
***** I fully understand that, but he was also stubborn. It's a trait that many Northerners share. His honor, in this case, would be grossly misplaced. If Jaime hadn't done what he did, Ares might have burned the whole damn city.
***** Maybe, but I think Ned has a soft spot for the lives of children. After all, he confessed his treason to save the lives of his children and refused to kill Daenerys or consent to the murder of Elia Martell and her children. If Ares was planning to burn every man woman and child, I think Ned would have made an exception. But maybe not.
JustSomeDamnGinger "The knights of the Kingsguard are sworn to keep the king's secrets. Would you have me break my oath?" -- Jaime Lannister
***** Ares was purely detrimental to the people. If Ned criticizes Jaime for killing him, then he'd be a hypocrite for abandoning Robert as Hand of The King when he insisted on killing Daenerys and her child.
This scene is a masterpiece. I love the fact that he fully opens up in this scene, despite not revealing a single word of truth about himself before. But here, he's got nothing to lose. He's already like a dead body as his right hand was taken away from him just as his "honorable" title. He simply doesn't give a shit and spills out everything.
This was the most jawdropping moment for me. My perspective of Jaime turned a full 180 degrees I got shivers down my spine
Brilliant acting overall, but especially at 03:13. He actually manages to show shame in the way he delivers "first i killed the pyromancer". It shows in his face too. This is an actual character not an actor acting.
3:33 where he expresses confusion over Aerys' reaction to being stabbed is flawless acting. It's him talking through thoughts and feelings he's pushed down for half his life because it was easier to embrace judgment than to cope with his complex emotions about what happened. You can see him remembering details he had forced out, and saying them without really realizing he's thinking aloud.
Excellent acting and the flawless execution of one of the best scenes in the books, IMO.
"First I killed the Pyromancer, then I pointed down and said GIT GUD."
D&D "We kind of forgot about that good writing"
Good writing which was really driven by GRRM before D&D had to go off on their own.
@@carpediemearth D&D had their moments. They created the dialogue between Varys and Petyr about chaos and it was great.
Lucas Vasconcelos Out of all decent show-original scenes you pick Middlefinger talking nonsense over supposedly “deep” montage?
@@drogadepc that speech was ridiculous honestly. ..
@@duxbellorum9828 They wrote the Tywin/Arya scenes, and those were phenomenal. They could write good stuff as long as the phenomenal writing of Martin was there to give them some spine and devise the general plot and character developments. Laziness also caused them prejudice.
Jaimie is an amazing character, the line between good and evil cuts right trough his heart.
Easy to be bad when you're surrounded by bad people, easy to be good when you're surrounded by good people. Real life history is exactly the same
I love the look of pure horror on Breenes face throughout this whole scene whole Jamie pours his heart out and exposes what really happend on that day
Don't ever forget what you are, the world won't, so use it as armour and it can never be used against you.
One of my favorite quotes 😊
Mine too
TheMultiEnabled You butchered it too LOLOLOL
It goes like this: "Hodor"
DrVoodoo123 This one wins. Everyone else go home.
Unfortunately that armor can only protect you until it begins to break. Tyrion being the prime example.
One of the very best scenes of the whole show right there. This was the moment I became on the side of Jaime Lannister.
And ruined in S8..
Yeah, I remember reading all the available books after the first season came out. My friends (who only watch the show) asked me who my favorite character was. They thought I was joking when I said Jaime.
@@joshs.5384 Lol. Same. I asked my sister to guess my favorite character and she couldn't even after like 7, 8 guesses.
The way Briennes attention gets grabbed when Jamie says the mad king had cachets of wild fire hidden all over the city is absolutely brilliant. The eye contact says so much
The fact that they utterly destroyed Jamie's character arc and made this scene essentially meaningless is nothing short of an absolute tragedy
It’s criminal. He did care about the small folk. He deserved to pursue happiness, not that toxicity with Cersei.
I just noticed the tear rolling down Jaime's cheek at 2:43. What a great actor! Just these little touches that make scenes like this worth watching over and over and over again :)
Malik Graves-Pryor this makes me really proud cause he is Danish:))) and im from Denmark
@@lise3022 i thought he was german, well perhaps he has danish roots
mauricio prado he is Danish
@@lise3022 you are right, i google it, idk i guess he looks german to me perhaps it is because germans are good looking, both men and women
mauricio prado your right he does look german
The best part of Jaime's character is that it's not only Ned Stark that wrongly judges him. We all did, while watching up to this point.
It happens when the character pushes kids out of window
@@annaive3531 What we do for love
@@annaive3531 well he killed his own cousin
How the fuck we should judge a guy that fucks his own sister and kills innocent people ''he even tryed to kill a 10 years old boy'' and is arrogant just because of his family's name?
I feel like this is one of the most powerful scenes in the series and maybe the best acted. Between Jaime’s pained monologue, where his voice becomes so guttural that you can practically feel the torment, and Brienne’s escalating reaction as the true horror and wrongness of the situation dawns on her; it is all just a complete masterclass of a scene. These two actors should forever be proud of this.
Honestly how did Nik not win any kind of award for his work on GoT?
My heart broke when he tells her “Jamie, my names Jamie” 😢
One of my favorite scenes of the whole show. It's that moment in the book where it turns your own judgment of Jaime around on you and says "see how much you didn't know about him? You judged based on such a small part of the story". It's right off the pages. "By what right does the wolf judge the lion?" has always been one of my favorite book lines
"The things we do for love."
There's one wolf that can judge that lion.
Even the red wolf kinda forgave him. Good for Sansa she's not blinkered so she accepted to listen to what Brienne said to defend Jaime.
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Best scene in the whole damned series.
I'd say it's tied with Tyrion's trial. So amazing.
@103313709779811606544 and Ned stark death, deneryes having her unsullied , the red wedding ,The Viper fight scene , Tywin skining the deer , Jamie and Tyrion goodby scene, Damn i can't have one i can't
@@romarssieverything9667 stag
easily
@@romarssieverything9667 it's Tywin, but yeah that's a rad scene
One of the scenes not just from game of thrones but TV in general. What a guy.
Season 3 has some of the most excellent writing in the series especially scenes like this. Jaime is always a good and an honorable lion. Nikolaj Coster Waldau is an amazing actor. Peak GOT. How he didn't get an Emmy for this scene alone will always be mind boggling to tv shows fans. His haters know nothing. If you don't sympathize with him here you are incapable of feeling things and discovering emotions.
Only a sith deals in absolutes
Here after Ser Brienne being anointed by Ser Jaime Lannister.
That was one unbearably cringy scene
How is it cringy? It’s Brienne getting what she’s always wanted; equality.
Anointed? With what? She wasn't knighted with the 7 oils
@@namansharma5268 it's not necessary in a battle situtation, she can be knighted on the battlefield, that's where the term battlefield promotion came from.
@@jordanvalencia9597 I know that. I only said that cuz the guy said "anointed"
And what will Varys say a few seasons later?
"Incompetence should not be awarded with blind loyalty"
I believe that Jaime understands this more than anyone
He even left Cercei.
people like Jamie are skilled in fighting which gives them a sorta "go with my gut " kinda thing. That helps a lot when you see the bullshit.
Two knights, one an oathbreaker, and one who thinks she vould nevere break an oath to her king. Also she is completely clean while his is very unwashed, also a nice symbol on how others see them. Brilliant scene!
There is also another part of this scene just before this, where he says some cutting remarks to brienne, and she jumps up naked in front of him, standing out of the water, and Jamie instantly regrets it. I liked that bit also.
"Jamie, my name is Jamie." Honestly that's one of the best lines in GOT. Jamie's life was shit, he was disgraced by everyone even though he saved the most populated city in all of Westeros from a monster. He actually cares about people, the terrible things he did like pushing Bran out of the tower was due to how people treated him. Everyone treated him like he was a monster even though he was a hero. He deserved so much better than Cersie, I wish that they would've made him stay with Breanne, he deserved to be happy.
He pushed Bran out a window because letting him live would have started a war.
@@sepin3390 Nah... He pushed Bran because Bran would've confirmed Jaime's incestuous relationship with his sister. He, at that point was not below killing a single soul for self-preservation(along with his sister), BUT he would not have killed the population of King's Landing to hide that secret. Just like he held the stain of being a "Kingslayer" for the sake of the people (hating him rather than re-directing the hate onto the new King Robert ((who would now have rumors spread that HE made the order)) and causing Discord in the 7 Kingdoms). He's not perfect. Which is awesome. He's believable and his arc (minus D&D crapping the bed in S8) was golden.
@@justsomeguywithagoatee8337 I mean that’s part of the reason Jaime pushed Bran, but Robert would kill Cersei and Jaime for doing that, and Tywin ain’t having that, thus a war would brake out. That’s not to say I don’t find Jaime reprehensible in this scene, but I’d criticize him for being in this situation to begin with as well as his lack of remorse, not the act of pushing Bran.
The part where you say everyone saw him as a monster, made me remember tyrion trial in which he was trialed for killing the 'new mad king' - joffrey, and he said 'i wish I could be the monster you all see me for' (or smth like that). That was powerfull.
He pushed bran cause bran caught him fucking his sister, literally has nothing with "how people treated him" lol
This scene is amazing on its own, but it's even more amazing when you go back to Season 1 and look up the scene where Robert Baratheon, Barristan Selmy, and Jaime are telling war stories. Eventually the subject gets around to Aerys Targaryen's last words, and Jaime simply says "Same thing he'd been saying for hours - burn them all." And you realise this story is behind his eyes.
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I need to go back to see that now, thanks!
Also when he’s talking to Ned about the death of Ned’s brother, you can see the tragedy in his eyes, but Ned’s not having any of it.
It's quite clear this story exists under the surface with Jaime from the beginning of the show. Everyone calls him Kingslayer, yet at the same time never fails to mention how terrible Aerys was as well. There's no explicit mention as to why Jaime kills him until this scene, yet I couldn't help but feel like maybe there was a reason considering Aerys was literally mad beyond comprehension. Even still, this scene hits hard, even though I feel like I half expected this story to come out all along. You just knew through various hints throughout the show that Jaime was more misunderstood and morally grey than an outright, one dimensional baddie, and this scene is a great payoff to it.
This is one of the most brilliant scenes of all times. For the ones who read the books, its exactly the same feeling i felt when a read for the first time, its like the Jamie Lannister himself speaking.
Gods, the dialogs were strong back then.
My baby Nikolaj deserved all the Emmy’s for this scene only, what an actor... 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Yes he did. Damn those Emmys and D&D.
He was nominated though... He very much deserved it here, his line delivery and facial expressions are other worldly.... But don't forget, those Emmy guys snubbed Jonathan banks of his performance in season 1 of Better call Saul...
yea in Season 3 both Nik and Michelle(Cat) deserved a trophy for best actor and actress in a TV series.
He was nominated and lost to Dinklage. Honestly either one earned it.
@@Ismael-kc3ry Peter Dinklage won the first year of Game of Thrones. Then was nominated every year of his tenure in the role of Tyrion. He won in Season 5(which is strange cause he was rathe average that year), Season 7 and 8. These two seasons 7 and 8 Nik was nominated as well and he didn't win. I don't remember if it was at the Season 7 or 8 show that Nik looked obviously heart broken to have lost. Peter should have given it to him. Season 4 and 7 were Nik's best performances.
Jaime Lannister was the hero who saved Westeros and was hated for it. This is why he’s such a cynical, up-nosed, venomous bastard before losing his hand... and he was understandably so.
Easily one of the top moments in got. The dialogue, the acting. This is a game changer for Jaimie’s character. And the tension between them two is excellent.
Its so cool how Jaime saved the entirety of King's Landing by slaying the Mad King when he never cared about those people, innocent or otherwise.
The Kingslayer, yes. The oathbreaker who murdered poor sad Aerys Targaryen.'' Jaime snorted. ''It's not Aerys I rue, it's Robert. 'I hear they've named you Kingslayer' he said to me at his coronation feast. ' _Just don't think to make it a habit_ ' And he laughed. Why is it that no one names Robert oathbreaker? He tore the realm apart, yet I am the one with shit for honor.''
''Robert did all he did for love.''
''Robert did all he did for pride, a cunt, and a pretty face.'' He made a fist... or would have, if he'd had a hand. Pains lanced up his arm, cruel as laughter.
''He rode to save the realm'' she insisted.
_To save the realm_ ''Did you know that my brother set the Blackwater Rush afire? Wildfire will burn on water. Aerys would have bathed in it if he'd dared. The Targaryens were all mad for fire.'' Jaime felt lightheaded. _It is the heat in here, the poison in my blood, the last of my fever. I am not myself_ He eased himself down until the water reached his chin. ''Soiled my cloak... I wore my gold armor that day, but...''
''Gold armor?'' her voice sounded far off, faint.
He floated in heat, in memory. ''After dancing griffins lost the Battle of the Bells, Aerys exhiled him. he had finally realized that Robert was no mere outlaw lord to be crushed at whim, but the greatest threat House Targaryen had faced since Daemon Blackfyre.The king reminded Lewyn Martell gracelessly that he held Elia and sent him to take command of the ten thousand Dornishmen coming up the kingsroad. Jon Darry and Barristan Selmy rode to Stoney Sept to rally what they could of Griffins' men, and Prince Rhaegar returned from the south and persuaded his father to swallow his pride and summon my father. But no raven returned from Casterly Rock, and that made the king even more afraid.
He saw traitors everywhere, and Varys was always there to point out any he might have missed. So His Grace commanded his alchemists to place caches of wildfire all over King's Landing. Beneath Baelor's Sept and the hovels of Flea Bottom, under stables and storehouses, at all seven gates, even in the cellars of the Red Keep itself.
''Everything was done in the utmost secrecy by a handful of master pyromancers. They did not even trust their own acolytes to help. The queen's eyes had been closed for years, and rhaegar was busy marshaling an army. But Aerys's new mace and dagger Hand was not utterly stupid, and with Rossart, Belis and Garigus coming and going night and day, he became suspicious. Chelsted, that was his name, Lord Chelsted.
I thought the man craven, but the day he confronted Aerys he found some courage somewhere. He did all he could to dissuade him. He reasoned, he jested, he threatened, and finally he begged. When that failed he took off his chaing of office and flung it down on the floor. Aerys burnt him alive for that and hung his chain about the neck of Rossart, his favourite pyromancer. The man who had cooked Lord Rickard Stark in his own armor. And all the time, I stood by the foot of the Iron Throne in my white plate, still as a corpse, guarding my liege and all his sweet secrets.
My sworn brothers were all away, you see, but Aerys liked to keep me close. I was my father's son so he did not trust me. He wanted me where Varys could watch me, day and night. So I heard it all. Rhaegar met Robert on the Trident, and you know what happened there. When the word reached court, Aerys packed to queen off to Dragonstone with Prince Viserys. Princess Elia would have gone as well, but he forbade it. Somehow he had gotten it in his head that Prince Lewyn must have betrayed Rhaegar on the Trident, but he thought he could keep Dorne loyal so long he kept Elia and Aegon by his side. _The traitors want my city, but I'll give them naught but ashes. Let Robert be king over charred bones and cooked meat_ The Targaryens never bury their dead, they burn them. Aerys meant to have the greatest funeral pyre of them all. Though if truth be told, I do not believe he truly expected to die. Like Aerion Brightfire before him, aerys thought the fire would transform him... that he would rise again, reborn as a dragon and turn all his enemies to ash.
Ned Stark was racing south with Robert's van, but my father's forces reached the city first. Pycelle convinced the king that his Warden of the West had come to defend him, so he opened the gates. The one time he should have heeded Varys, and he ignored him. My father had held back from the war, brooding on all the wrongs Aerys had done to him and determined that House Lannister should be on the winning side.
When I came on Rossart, he was dressed as a common man-at-arms, hurrying to a postern gate. I slew him first. Then I slew Aerys, before he could find someone else to carry his message to the pyromancers. Days later, I hunted down the others and slew them as well. Belis offered me gold, and Garigus wept for mercy. Well, a sword's more merciful than fire, but I don't think Garigus much appreciated the kindness I showed him.''
The water had grown cool. When Jaime opened his eyes, he found himself staring at the stump of his sword hand. _The hand that made me Kingslayer. The goat had robbed him of his glory and his shame, both at once. Leaving what? Who am I now?_
Edit: After years, reading this comment made me think about how did I not mention the best thing Jaime said in this chapter.
When Brienne asks why he never told anyone of all this and why Ned Stark doesn't know, Jaime says ''Why, I took a solemn wow, you would not have me break my oath, do you?''
Better in the show. In the books, it kinda drags on. The show portrays Jaime as a better man than he was, which, for the Kingslayer, works better.
@@israfielvalhorn6460 Well no. The show includes almost none of Jaime's take, it doesn't show how frustrated the man really is and how conflicted he is.
It's just focused on the drama
@@israfielvalhorn6460 nothing is better in the show, no.
Light Avalon Well the show version works for the show because all the details and extra characters would just confuse the audience. The book version is exponentially superior, but that’s because it makes use of all the rich details that the show can’t afford to make use of without becoming bloated.
@@matheusghostgrey9910 arya and tywin moments. They are so good George stated he regreted he didn't thought of it.
“By what right...does the wolf...judge...the lion?.....BY WHAT RIGHT?!”
I will be a Stark until my dying day, but that line was so damn great.
You can’t be a stark since the stark family is fictional
@@Blasteronefr Incorrect.
Starks might be brave but Lannisters always pay their debt
@@achillesisback4246 Until they have to marry into wealth, anyhow.
@@Blasteronefr you must be fun at party’s
The way brienne doesn’t look at him at first but gradually fixes her gaze as his story gets more enthralling is such good stage direction. Little detail but I noticed it. God I miss this show
This scene is so well put together as she could potentially be the only person in the whole of Westeros who can relate to his story. She never killed her King (Renly), but she was the one who originally (at this point in the story) had gotten the blame for it as the guards had thought she had done it. So she would be more open to hearing the truth as she herself was in a similar situation where she was supposed to guard a King and didn't have her story heard as to what had happened to her.
She also has to learn that fulfilling all the obligations of knighthood is ultimately impossible. There’s always going to be some point where you break an oath.
This is the same man who said this last episode "I never really cared much for them. Innocent or otherwise." after Tyrion said Dany was going to burn the city.
His whole arc was about changing from being with Cersei, who represents him being selfish and arrogant. But changing into a relationship with Brienne where he shows compassion and cares about being a good man. In that scene he was obsessed with Cersei again so he said he didnt care about the people.
Daniel van Loenen stop making excuses for shitty writing
@@gilgamesh8334 You can hate anything if you just say "go away" to all counter arguments
@@LoenenD The thing is the writers made him say "I never really cared much for them." It's the "never" that upsets people because it contradicts this bath-scene. Maybe he doesn't care for them now, in 08x05, because he's obsessed with Cersei, but everything in this bath-scene screams that he did in the past. If he really never cared, we have to believe this scene doesn't show a man who cares about the Mad King wanting to burn the citizens.
@@SophieBlueCat But why is he all of sudden obsessed with Cersei again? For what reason? He struggled to go back to his old ideals and do the right thing for so long. He even just learned that she sent a damn killer after him. I'll tell you why. The writers did not care to give him an ending that made sense with his arc and character. They just cared about making a cool scene. It's worse than a fanfiction.
Ned Stark was the most loyal and honorable man in the seven kingdom but he was loyal to a fault. He put honor above reason. Lawful goodness is something that history has showed time and time again to not work. Jamie Lannister is more neutral good/chaotic good and also my favorite character.
Agreed!
I'm sure Brandon Stark would disagree :D
@@MrMundharmonikah We'll Know Tomorrow Night as They Finally meet again, but that wasnt Jaime Choice, Its was Cersie, what did he say before he push Bran in season 1.
Hessley Laurent it was Aerys’ choice to have all of kings landing burnt to the ground and we praise Jaime for not taking the order. It’s not even Cersei’s choice either, especially in show.
@@Nobody-fb7ni i meant him pushing Bran out the tower Window...Jaime had No Choice, as he Said" The Things I Do For My Sister."
This in my opinion is one of the most intense five minutes in Cinema History, great story telling, writing, and filming. It's right up there with Quints Indianapolis Story in Jaws.
We all love the script and the actors' deliveries, but let's not forget how amazing the soundtrack was in this scene.
One moral to take from this: our own moral compass can sometimes blind us to the good in others. No one can deny that Ned was one of the few truly, unambiguously good people in the setting. But even he had a blind spot--his strong sense of morality kept him from being able to see past Jaime's many flaws. And that rejection only led to Jaime diving ever deeper into the arms of Cersei, who took cruel advantage of that moment to deepen her abusive control over him... which in turn twisted him until the good man he could have been was almost erased. It took Brienne, and time away from Cersei's poison, to bring that back.
Ned may have also been angry with Jaime for another reason. In his eyes Jaime proved that he wasn't 100% loyal to Aerys which means he could have saved his father and brother while they were being killed. It's not just that he broke his oath, it's that he could have broke it earlier and save his family. At least that's how I see it.
Well said
@@AzraelSoulHunter I feel like Ned accusing Jaime like that hurt him on another level; there's no doubt in my mind that Jaime felt guilty by inaction of the deaths of Rickard and Brandon Stark, so when his moment of redemption was condemned by the man he should have had forgiveness from...
DnD decided your last sentence to be incorrect
Exactly. Ned was a good guy but he held people to way too high and unrealistic of a standard. That’s why we first see Jaimie in season 1 as an unambiguous villian. because we see him from Ned’s perspective and he’s already made up his mind about him.
It's a tragedy what the show has done to his character...
Yeah, but NCW still gave it his all.
You mean to most characters, only cersei and the hound remained amazing
@@vitocorleone2413 Theon, Jorah
More like criminal
the acting is so good it gives me goosebumps
you don't even realize they're acting, it's almost like this really happened.
this show showed me that great writing and great dialogue gives the actors the ultimate boost.
5 of the greatest minutes of writing, design, production and performance as art, by and from everyone involved. Stunning at every level and from any perspective.
After eight seasons D&D decide to ignore EVERYTHING that Jaime goes through to change from the Jaime Lannister the public thinks he is. Sad to see this happen to my favorite character.
nodenaatti he was supposed to die with Cersei though
Nate W Cersei’s fate was to be killed by her younger brother, Tyrion. As he planned their scape and it failed they both die so technically Tyrion killed them. And Jaime ,he has said before that he wanted to die with the girl he truly loved, and he died with Cersei. He killed and did terrible things for her, he was in love....
@@dani-we3qh She was meant to be killed by her younger brother. Since Jaime was born just a few moments after her, he too was eligible for the position of Cersei Slayer. There was no reason for Jaime to suddently charge back into Cersei's arms, expecially after he found out that she sent Bronn after his head. Of course his final moments had to involve Cersei somehow, their relationship is a huge part of their characterization to be neglected. Still, for both of them to just reverse back to Season 1 in 30 seconds is ridiculous. Hell, even for Cersei, of all people, to start crying like that is preposterous. That's the same woman who was going to kill herself and her children rather that let Stannis get to them. The same woman who went through the Walk of Shame without a peep. The same woman who didn't even twitch when she heard that her last son threw himself off a window. Come on.
Gotta subject your expectations man.... even if it makes absolutely no sense
Fake S8 Jaime: I never cared about the people of Kings Landing.
Jaime in Season 3: "Would you have kept your oath while thousands of innocent men, women, and children burned alive in their own homes?"
Jaime in Season 8: "You know, I never did give a rats ass about the common folk of the realm."
Absolutely inspired.
I think he just said that for having a stupid excuse to go back to Cersei. Don t give it much importance. Tyrion said immediately after :"Cut the bullshit, we, both know that you do!". The line is still bad tho, but I don t think that ruin his character. Facts speaks louder than words.
I never noticed when first watching but the right side of his face and sometimes his right hand are in perpetual darkness for pretty much most of the scene. Brienne is completely lit up like an angel. Great scene
Brienne still called him Kingslayer even after all that speech an insulting nickname for him (like this channel in their description). She only "cared" about him after he knighted her. Didn't give two shits otherwise about his well being even after he multiple times came to her aid and saved her life. Jaime is done the worst in the show by far. She looks like an overbearing Karen not like an angel. Jaime looks like a God though here.