How to Beat Necrons! Hypercrypt, Warhammer 40k!
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You will have to forgive me, I blended Lokhust destroyer with Heavy Lokhust destroyers' profiles while i was going through the damage profile of the lokhust lord leading the enmitic squad. My apologies, they would be crit-ing on 5's but it would only be sustained NOT lethal, or vice versa if he was leading normal Lokhust destroyer's.
A squad of 10 bloodletters led by Skulltaker, and buffed by a nearby Rendmaster can absolutely obliterate a C'tan. Full health to zero in one activation. Go daemons!
I got loads out of the custody one you did. This one is no different Keep it up. One of the big things I get from vids like this is knowing what an army is good at and the tricks to get around it. Would love you to do this for the Orks so I know my weakness better.
Oh cheers man! Ill definitely keep them rolling, the Orks ill wait for AFTER the codex drops!
Thank you for this advice
Tomarrow im going deathguard into this group and i was sweating it
Great video, thank you :)
I'm struggling against Necrons with my Orks... Let's see next time! Thanks for advices! Great video!
Nice review, thanks
Another thing to watch out for is that Hypercrypt is almost always going to deploy very VERY cagey which gives you zero information for your deployment because all their units will be inside terrain where they can't be shot and the monolith will just hang back and wait to deepstrike. They're an army that really wants to go second so they can use cosmic precision turn 1 which gives an even better match up for melee pressure armies.
Now from my experience it isn't the melee part of the armies that are the problem it is the SPEED. If you are world eaters or orks you really don't care about where they're going to deepstrike to because you're going to be able to reach them anywhere on the table. When angron is moving 22" with advance and charge there's really no where to hide. Speed kills the necrons because you will be all over them and they can't stop the insane preasure.
I'm a necrons competitive player and I've won almost all my games EXCEPT against world eaters and orks, they absoutely hard counter my list at least LOL.
Great video as always sir, my only disagreement is that ctan really aren't THAT tanky against focused attacks, with mortal wounds and a squad of nobz you can kill a ctan no problem.
Pressure builds are the solution to tricksy armies!! As the eternal iron Mike said “every bodies got a plan until they get punched in the face”. Thanks for your support and comment buddy!
Reminds me of how Imotekh’s hyperlogic doesn’t work against Orks.
I love your videos. They are good for fine tuning and stuff I forgot.
Necrons are one army I struggle against. But I think I've found a solution. This video will help
Sick man! Super happy I can present this to you!
You 100% can arrive from strategic reserve with Hypercrypt on turn 1. Look into the LVO champion's list.
After a game I had tonight am so glad I found this vid thank you!
cheers holmes, this is a wee bit outdated now, but still basically relevant since the last dataslate
I know it’s not meta but I appreciate your insight and I’m a Chaos Knights player. Anything to get better or do better against stronger factions helps.
Cheers buddy, for what it’s worth, I think CK are in a pretty solid position right now!
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 If I join the discord will there be tips on how to really get better at CK?
If you ask for them haha, we have several CK players in there. One of my long time Coaching Clients is a VERY good CK player right now. Bring them to our next TTS tourny starting in April, you will grow for sure
Love the content as usual, great work and I've learned a tonne!
Oh fantastic! I am glad! Thanks for your support
Overall great video. One thing to note is that this is focusing mostly on the Hypercrypt Legion detachment. People are also running the Canoptek Court detachment. Hypercrypt, agreed, just screen out the reserves and you should be fine. Canoptek, play the game, control No Man's Land (and your deployment objective) and you should be fine. Necrons overall, agreed, expensive so if they're your only worry, bring lots of minimum sized units. Lots of Necron guns are great, but not too great if there's too many targets on the table.
100% agreed buddy :) I just find most people struggle with the hypercrypt style more than the Canoptek so I focused a bit. Thanks for stopping by !
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 The hypercrypt struggle is both ways. It's so easy to misplay it and end up giving your opponent a huge advantage. The doomsday ark example was good. Did you hyperphase it? Well it can't come here or here unless it's turn 3. Pick a bad spot or leave it off the board in reserves
Yeah man, I think I need to do a video specifically on strat reserves, which deployments are good for it etc… it can be tricky to utilize for people!
I know I'm late to this video but this is great content.
I'd love to get your take on Imperial Knights sometime. While this video is full of ideas I can use with my Imperial Guard, I think a lot of this is not achievable with IK.
Helpful as usual \m/ thanks my man!
Cheers buddy :)
Ork player here- killed 6 c'tan at an event on Sunday. Beastie boys + beastboss killed the nightbringer with unbridled carnage (40 attacks hitting on 2s with re-roll, fishing for exploding 5s for 60 average hits plus same on beastboss for 10 average dev/ anti monster 4+ hits). Flash gitz killed 2 or 3 between shooting and combat. Grenades, tank shock and squig bombs were also clutch for mortals.
100% man, combo that damage baby
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 hey, while I have your attention- in that event, I had a ruling that Mozrog's 'Da bigger dey iz' extra damage is added *before* the c'tan's Necrodermis halving damage. To my mind, rules like berserker glaive, thunderwolf cavalry's furious charge, melta and Moz' rule are all modifiers and are therefore applied in the order of operations laid out in point three of the modifiers section of the rules commentary but I'd love to get your take, pretty please?
Yeah that would be incorrect, Moz's damage modifier is after :) Modifier is the key, additive is always AFTER division
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 as I suspected- thank you for your input 😊
GKs for Ctan. Grand Master with Sigil for ensuring you don't get shot to death and that sweet sweet ignores mods.
100% that guy is suuuuuper important
I don't think melta weapons will bypass the Necrodermis ability of C'tan shards. Your logic is sound; set, divide/multiply, add/subtract. The problem is how the melta rule is worded:
Melta (Core Rules):
Weapons with [MELTA X] in their profile are known as Melta weapons. Each time an attack made with such a weapon targets a unit within half that weapon's range, that attack's Damage characteristic is increased by the amount denoted by 'x'
(GW provided) Example: A model targets a unit that is within half range of a weapon with a Damager characteristic of D6 and the [MELTA 2] ability. If that attack inflicts damage on the target, it inflicts D6+2 damage.
Necrodermis (Codex: Necrons):
Each time an attack is allocated to this model, half the Damage characteristic of that attack.
Damage Characteristic (Rules Commentary):
Where a Damage characteristic includes an operator (e.g. a '+', as in D6+1), the value after the operator is part of that Damage characteristic - it is not a modifier
IF the +2 from Melta 2 were a modifier rather than being part of the damage, you would be correct; Ex: D6 rolls a 6. Necrodermis halves the 6, then you add the 2, dealing 5 damage. However, since it is considered part of the characteristic, the same example above makes the attack do 6+2=8 then Necrodermis halves it to 4
Melta weapon extra damage due to being within half range WILL bypass half damage reduction. From the rules commentary:
"3. You must then apply division modifiers before applying multiplication modifiers, before applying addition and then subtraction modifiers. "
Both the C'tan ability and Melta are modifiers.
The +2 is a modifier :).
@@JS-vu8po did you read my entire comment? The rules commentary also addresses Damage Characteristic. Melta is not considered a modifier since it converts the damage characteristic from D into D+X where D is the original damage and X is the Melta ability
You are just mistaken on this bud. Melta (2) is an additive modifier to the damage which is D6. The 2 is added as a modifier to the original D6 damage. You are not interpreting correctly. Feel free to hop in the discord to discuss further!
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 which is why I included both the Rules Commentary listing regarding Damage Characteristic and the Melta keyword. The example provided in the Melta keyword implies that it becomes part of the damage characteristic and is therefore NOT a modifier since it has a '+' operator.
I'd like to join the discord but I doubt we'd come to an agreement. It's another one of those times that GW needs to clarify on their own bad rules writing. That or a high enough profile tournament encounters the issue to where it gets the attention from GW.
Which video did you share your blood angels list?
Im curious what we have in common, and what is different.
i have done it in a few live streams, then i showed it in my marines video as well th-cam.com/video/uy2PFczI4-Y/w-d-xo.html
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 thanks, found it.
It's really close. I have 2 big death companies and 2 lancers.
Apart from that, it's basically the same
I’m playing Guard against Necrons soon in a small board 750 point game. Taking your advice, I’m thinking heavy weapons squads with mortars (king in small games btw) for overwatch and killing Immortals etc, then heavy flamers on tank(s) with an engineseer to back him up. The question I have is do I fill the rest with infantry to screen or another tank to get the most out of their 1 damage weakness with heavy flamers?
750 really is not my style haha, but at that size tanks (as long as they have an order) are hard to deal with
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 we’re playing a series of escalating tournaments, half our players are just getting back into the hobby so we’re increasing the size of game each time😊 yeah, I’ve found that even without an order the demolisher is a real pain. I usually pair it with an engineseer to elevate its survivability. My most recent game, the tank and the enginseer were the only units I lost and I managed to table my opponent turn 3. Thanks for the advice, it did well last time so hopefully it’ll repeat its success!
Question about the additive modifiers you talked about. If i have a beastboss with Proppa Killy which increases his damage by 1 does that also get added after the C'tan reduction of damage?
yes
Again a mega helpful video.
I wonder if a Beast Boss, leading a unit of Beast Snaggas wouldn't be pretty good against C'Tan. With the anti Monster Keyword, rerolls, Dev wounds and the mass D1 Attacks from the Beast Boys, it sounds like a good plan?
In the waagh i think the whole combo does 10 dmg?
So if you can throw grenades first OR you have the lethal hits aura, then yes. A flash gitz combo works great as well, especially if you use the once per game lethal hits on them
This is exactly what I used to kill a healthy nightbringer at an event this weekend- I also popped unbridled carnage and fished for exploding 5s for an average of about 50% more output, just to make sure.
@@busktildawnyes, that was my idea as well.
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007Hey, thank you for the answer. This is what I was wrapping my mind around. It is situational though but could come in Handy if the C'Tan comes too close 😅
the counter to deep strike - you rapid ingress? Where is the ref that happens before he deepstrikes? be good to know the codex point for that...
rapid ingress is after he deepstrikes (at the end of your opponents movement phase) just read the strat :)
Mortarion ignores the half damage (i believe he also gives that ability to units within a certain range of him)
totally, units that ignore modifiers are great, trajann for custodes, grand master for GK
Please do Imp Guard next! They're on the rise, fast
I am working on Black Templars right now! But Guard are on the menu!
Thank you my dude! This video won me a "top table" game against Hypercrypt this past weekend at an RTT! @@Happykrumpingwargaming007
What if you can't deal with Ctan and they plonk them on objectives. You walk onto the objective and die. (Playing gaurd, been struggling into crons alot)
Then walk onto the objective, deny him his primary, die when he charges. resurrect with 2cp and rinse and repeat. You do not have to kill the ctan. Kill everything else in his army. The necron player is begging you to try to kill the thing you cant kill. Don't fall for his trap
Also, there are 3+ other objectives. Go where he isn’t.
How does Lokhust lord give lokhust heavy destroyers lethal hits?
You will have to forgive me, i blended the lokust destroyer with the heavy lokust destroyers while i was speaking.
i have to disagree wiith the low oc thing. warriors, immortals, wraiths, destroyers are all oc 2, ctan start at oc 4 and vehicles are generally minimum 3oc
disagreements are healthy! We can agree to disagree
13:35
But can't their deepstrike units come onto the field round 1 if their unit has started on the board and hyperphased off the board on your turn if you go first??
deep strike yes
Lokhust lord doesn’t give lethal hits btw, just critical fives
Yeah thanks, you will have to forgive me, I mixed up the combo with normal lokhust vs heavy lokhust
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 that same slide also says that Immortals get reroll to hit. To my knowledge, that's only in the Canoptek Court detachment AND having a Cryptek leading them (which you have since you listed crits on 5). They also reroll 1s to wound at all times regardless of detachment and reroll all wounds if the target is in range of an objective
i was including damage combos they can build. Whether through enhancement or different detachments
Rename this to how to kill C tan
that might be a serperate video haha
Due one for orks
No point yet, I’ll do one after the codex though!
Waaaaaaaaaaggghh!
I love how when people type Waaaaagh TH-cam ask me if I want to translate it 😂😂😂
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007 What does it translate into? I've never seen a prompt for that, and I'm curious to know.
Waaaaaaaaagh, it’s boring, but still funny.
+21:35 needs some clarification. I'm assuming those are ruins that are being used to demonstrate the Chronomancer "shoot 'n' scoot." They CAN be shot back after moving into the ruins but they'll have the benefit of cover from the terrain piece. They would have to move behind the ruins in order to prevent return fire; i.e. you CANNOT shoot through ruins even if you can draw line of sight through windows, doors, etc.
A better example would be if they started the shot while in the ruins and then moved back to put the terrain between themselves and the original target.
I mean lol, of course if you can get LOS you can shoot them. But windows are closed on the first floor of practically every terrain set in existence.
more.
I said more, god dammit!
Hahaha ask and ye shall receive 😛
You also got your understanding of the half damage rule incorrect.
If the additive damage is in the stat line it's halved.
Melta isn't in the stat line which is why it isn't halved.
The damage characteristic is halved, additive damage is still halved. Additive damage outside of the stat line of the weapon is not halved.
You are mistaken, the rule is for modifiers, read the rules commentary for details. Same effect Meltas bypass because the Melta +2 is a modifier, and lasconnons don’t because the D6+1 is not a modifier, it’s simply the damage characteristic.
@@Happykrumpingwargaming007I guess it was explained in your video. Sounds like there is a misunderstanding. I understand "Additive damage in the stat line" as the additives for the damage roll like D = D6 + 2. You actually explained it perfectly. So I would say you are both correct but someone didn't watch the video carefully 😂
:P that happens
Necrons are not OP... proceeds to demonstrate everything that makes Necrons OP. JK. They might not be OP but they are certainly playing a different game in which they have advantages the opponent does not have. Checkers pieces vs chess pieces.
bro this video is 6 months old :P it was done when necrons were very OP, but you are correct in the context of it being july 9th.