Check out my friend Mood's channel if you like off-meta, high-skill gameplay. He's very likely the best melee player in AC6 PvP. www.youtube.com/@CodenameMood
Just curious, I only bought the game a few days ago and only last night beat the opening mission. How far into the game do I need to go to get all these parts
Really? Maybe I'm just bad/using the wrong option, but my experience with them has been pretty poor. You still get stagger built up, even if it's less, and they overheat pretty quick. Just feel like I have a dead weapon slot and I should just be focusing on my dodge game.
@@DoctorWhoBlue you have to be using the right shield for what you want, and in the right moment. it's a bit of a steep learning curve, but at the peak they're godly.
It's kind of like how players are attracted to the, what was it? MG-1000 in AC3 and Silent Line. It's a Machine Gun with a 1000 bullets, and it's great in PvE because you can just hold down the fire button and as long as you keep the enemy in your sights, they'll die, and you have enough ammo to finish just about any mission in the game. However, in terms of PvP(and fighitng other ACs in general) it's comparatively worst than it's 500 ammo counterpart because simply put, you don't NEED 1000 ammo to kill another AC. It's complete overkill. And something similar's going on here. People are used to overwhelming firepower that the Story encourages, goes into PvP with that mentality, then get's vibe checekd by players that built AROUND the noob trap. Is funny.
I'm all in for an anti-meta build in any game all time. I've been loving using the cluster bomb to fight the zimmermans in a build I jokingly named "Agriculture"
Anti-popular is more accurate to say. Meta is simply the most effective strategy/builds and is =/= popular. Zimmerman quickly got assigned as meta because it was discovered early while subsequent ones as "anti-meta" when in reality the two are not different.
@@raizan1526that's not what meta- means, you're thinking of the dorky backronym "most effective tactic available," which loses most of the meaning of the word in translation. The meta is the game within the game. For competitive games, what is the "most effective" is often inseparable from what is most popular, because what is popular dictates what you are most likely to encounter, which informs what would be an effective counter. "The meta" is a description of the state of the subgame. When people say that Zimmermans are the meta, they are correct, even if if turns out that they're not actually the most effective -- because this is a statement of public perception, not an objective analysis. Hope this helps
For sure. Everybody wants to find a meta; a top-tier build that’ll wreck any AC with ease. The problem with that is, there’s a counter to everything in this game.
@@notgonnapay yea I’m on the hunt for a 3v3 build or play style , my problem is tunnel vision on one person than all the sudden I’m getting jumped and now it’s 2v1. But keep grinding
@@iph2 try using the nebula plasma rifle with charged shots. firing at the ground under your feet when surrounded will deal a crazy amount of stagger and damage to everyone caught in the blast, and it lingers for abour two seconds.
Another big thing I noticed about most meta builds is that they're really invested into burst DPS windows. So that Coral Shield really does alot of work into mitigating alot of that burst potential enemies have
People tend to just full spam and the shield lasts a decent time so you can manage the shield in between their burst dps damage and attack them back when they reload.
Props, I really appreciate the random creativity of you Armored Core 6 players. This is the beginning of a great new gaming community. I can see it blossoming into something special for us that play this. Great build & commentary.
Shields are wonderful and I am glad people have started to try using them. It's also rather funny how Oro has jumped on the stun gun train after his easy meta wings got countered. Diversity will help the game for sure, and I am already thinking of a few builds to counter this when I see it.
I use a very similar build, tough much more speed focused, and I do know of a BIG weakness the stun guns have. Shields block your electric buildup completely, so if your opponent knows what theyre doing they can just keep their shield up at all times and u wont get any electric buildup.
Yep, coral shield counters stun guns pretty hard. You can run this with a bullet orbit on the open shoulder slot, and if you run into a coral shield (personally still never run into them,) kick them a lot to build regular stagger.
@@Myndrr I tend to prefer laser drones for the open shoulder spot, but yeah against shields u gotta either find angels if they arent using coral shield or break the shield, and that can be really rough sometimes.
@@MyndrrI think a good way to counter that would be to equip the pulse long gun. You can use it without dropping your own dps/shield and still cause a massive amount of overheat to opponent’s shields and break pulse armor easily. Only downside is it has pretty bad overheat recovery.
@@Myndrr wouldn't stun gun get countered by mid to long range build that does constant damage? I personally did sport and see people using stun gun in 3v3, but they mostly get dunked on pretty fast unless they manage to hide and ambush. Lately i also have been seeing people using shield in asia server, it does counter zimmer pretty hard. But get dunked on by constant damage from lazer. 3rd point: Would bubble gun destroy shield quick? those gun exist to counter shield after all.
Before people come running in claiming this is OP - Just bring a shield, any shield - Pulse Armor, Back Shield, literally any shield mitigates the entire benefit of stun pistols. They also have low ammo, so they're likely to run out of ammo if you parry and pulse armor during rush downs -
I have been using a variation of this build for a bit and you are right. it is sleeper op. Using a different booster for stronger QBs and a 6 cell plasma launcher for that little extra damage and I just like the flow of them. Awesome video, keep it up! love the build. Love these stun guns.
Man I’m so excited to get this game. Gotta wait a few days so these pvp videos have been keeping me occupied without spoiler worries. Really cool build
Just came across this video, and kinda blown away by how well this build works, already having fun just working with the base concept in assembly and tweaking to see what works better for me and all that. Definetly will be looking at more of your builds!
Mind Beta head is from NG+ arena but is not necessary to the build. Coral shield is from one of the last missions of NG++ in a chest and is quite essential.
I use a reverse joint build with the melee prioritizing fcs chip, highest regen generator, 160 firearm specialization arms, and quad shotguns. I have the lighest parts possible, and i use the starting shotguns paired with the 13 round burst shotguns. They have a near perfect reload time when you swap between them, and the circling / jumping speed is awesome. Ive been winning a lot in the arena, but I went up against a friend who showed me this build and he absolutely creamed me, with me winning only one time due to reflexes alone, because i won with about 40 AP. Kudos to you, this is an excellent video and its nice to see the meta have a strong contender. Your videos are awesome, man. Keep it up! Subbed + notifications on for you
I went up against a lightweight build dual-wielding the stunguns the other day, I think he used 2 laser drones as well. Didn't matter what build I used, he totally wiped the floor with me! The only thing that worked against him was dual-wielding flamethrowers. I even tried copying his build (with some variations) and did really good against Missile Boats, I was so fast and aggressive that they just couldn't stay away from me, and I was constantly dodging their missiles. I tried to fight the guy who inspired the build with it, but he totally whooped me again. Now that I think about it, do you think a variation of the Bumblebee with Dual Flamethrower's would be nasty, too?
>do you think a variation of the Bumblebee with Dual Flamethrower's would be nasty, too? I do have use a version that's exactly that! It's not quite as effective as the stun guns IMO, but the meme factor of the flamethrowers is high. I call it the Firefly. Might make a short video on it. It still beats zimmerman builds even though it lacks a stun, in my experience.
Was it bright yellow and my wasp? I run these with following Lazer drones that I sometime swap with moonlight or a stun rod it's a good time, and fast asf.
considering that the flame status makes the target more suspectable to stagger damage... you might love giving the enemy a rapid stagger once the status takes effect...
I have been rocking the medium laser rifles, and it seems that even fast builds struggle to dodge them and they do a lot of damage. I know the stun is important in this build, but I wonder how viable everything else is going to be when people start using shields
I like the regular Laser Rifles VP-66LR in both hands and alternate fire between left and right. They have great DPS and range so you can out-range most people but still have a high firerate to increase your chances of hitting your opponent. Only issue would be people spamming dodge as tracking become useless, or people who are really good at utilizing Assault Boost Kicks. AB Kicking with a Coral Generator are especially devastating as they can continuously AB to stay close and keep up no matter how much you try to stay at range, and paired with the microstuns/stagger from AB Kicks and you're trapped. Only way to keep up with their energy recovery and stay away is to use a coral generator yourself, but coral generators aren't the best with energy guns as they don't have a high Energy Firearm Specialization.
The other major drawback of coral generators is they have the longest recharge delay out of all the generators, think it’s somewhere around 4.3 to 4.9 compared to the rest that are below 2.
I love the stun pistols and I'm surprised that they aren't apart of meta builds like Zimmermans. I made a build with the stun needles and stun guns just to capitalize on the status effect. it feels like you're constantly proccing bleed in Elden ring and it's a nice change from the stagger break meta we're in
It's a lot harder to sell weapons that are effective but not highlight-reel material as meta. People like seeing big numbers and health bars getting deleted and equate that with the best possible option/being really good regardless of any context around it. It's similar to how when a new fighting game comes out, whatever character (often heavy grapplers) has the highest single-damage move is considered very strong until however long it takes for people to remember that, actually, not being able to combo off your light attacks or, y'know, *move* is a pretty significant handicap. The longer the game has been out and popular, the more builds that aren't just "look you can one-shot something" will become common knowledge.
Great one! I dislike the Zimmerman builds and my favorite PvP was the day after release where lots of people were trying it out without knowing what the meta even was
Man fought wars through it's history with sticks, swords, guns and eventually nuclear weapons. This build equates to the development of the nuke. A turning point in humanity's destructive power.
I'd be interested in seeing a compilation of little known facts such as the ones in this video about how the coral shield makes your expansion more effective or how the stun guns affect recoil. It seems like there are a lot of attributes in this game that are pretty obscure and highly important.
my main pvp build that I stumbled upon a little over a week ago is literally this but with a singular stun Needle launcher and reverse joint legs I named Hornet and I've loved it to bits, it's soooo good. glad to see someone else realizing double stun pistol with the coral shield is amazing!
Ive havent played AC6 but was going to, and was seeing that zimmermans meta I was no way doing pvp yet... Now you gave me hope, thanks my dude, you got a new follower now
ZIMMY Spam is actually avoidable by viewing the mech they have before you ready up.. Don't party up & play with anyone who chooses it. If your desperate, sure. Otherwise, show community solidarity by avoiding it.
I've found that using the explosive thrower timed with good shield parry really helps keep Zim meta users out of your face, or at least punishing them with a wall of explosives in their face every time they try it. Too many people sleep on the forearm mounted claymore. Anyways, what an interesting build, very unique! Something I myself would've never thought about. Good video!
Ironically I was seeing it a lot on Gundam cosplay builds cause they were using to to mimic the arm shied that a lot of Gundam suits have. But turns out its good for practical reasons too not just looks!
I made a build somewhat similar to this. Just without the efficiency of coral shields and gens. I was able to play a few games before I found a lobby that I kept getting booted from. I was messaged and told that my AC build was too cheesy and they wouldn't let me join unless I changed. The host was clearly teamed with someone they knew and they both had Zimmermans. Funny how that works, i wasn't even that good with the build
I have a build called the “Mosquito” that might actually be a good match against the bubble bee, but regardless I’m definitely going to try this one out olive I get the coral shield now that I’m in NG++
I stumbled into a counter for people using the stunguns because I was building an anti-discharge mech for people using double stun needles. I tune for speed and assault boost to tab+s+Ctrl to back off to let armor cook off naturally. People also sleep on the ministun from kicks, as well as the assault boost melee bonus that some boosters excel in.
I am absolutely loving this. A friend of mine and I made a similar build but with more joking intent rather than functionality but it was still working well. Instead of a shield, we had weapon swaps to use the big box stun weapons that just shot a wave of electricity for the main intent to build up as much of the ELEC Discharge as possible. But that would make sense coming from an AC called "PISS MAN"
Still really strong. However these days stun guns are more counterable because head status resistance was fixed, so there's a head that makes stun guns take 3x as long to elec proc people
This is a really cool build, but I feel like itll stop working when they fix the status recovery stat on heads. At the moment, that stat is bugged and does not function. If it did, players could equip heads with a high status recovery and clear themselves of elec. discharge just by backing away. There is also the possibility that the status recovery stat would reduce the amount of time it takes for your acs strain to begin dropping.
I like double stun guns with the double stun needle cannons. Paring it with a lightweight reverse joint build makes for an extremely mobile buld. You can use the reverse joints to dodge right over zimmerman shots quite consistenetly, and the stun damage from from 4 stun weapons is insane.
This video actually makes me think if I should use shields more. I wanna make like a “heavy knight” type build with shield and lance on tank threads or on a boat. Will it even work?
Yes, there are "lancer build" which sport shield, lance, flamerthrower and a heavy frame that have main role of disrupting enemy lines or taking damage for your team. Or the pulse thrower with tread = You have a calvary with flails. FLAILS*
@kelvinator5088 i'm currently experimenting and trying out burst rifles. Staying mobile at mid distance to try and counter zimmers. Only problem is that they have a quite similar strategy to the electric guns, but are just plain weaker
@@falcon8467 The Zimmys are over-tuned to the point very few true counters actually exist at this early juncture in the games lifecycle. Laser builds or any build that can give distance while putting out damage beats Zimmerman, you just have to use AB as an escape method as soon as they come in range. Even then, that's not a hard counter. This Coral Shield seems to negate what really matters, the Attitude Negation. Zimmys need a Damage reduction & Attitude stability modifier reduction whilst increasing the rate of fire to compensate. Slower Stagger buildup alone would be a game changer for this current Zimmy meta.
@LloydsSky9 agreed. Zimmermans are too dominant at the moment. Or simply, the other weapons are too weak by comparison. What we need is a PvP balance separate from PvE, tweaks to status effect and stagger buildup, missile accuracy, more speed for light builds and buffs to the pletora of unused weapons... among the many things
I dont forsee content to go stagnant anytime soon. This build itself is a testament that there is more to come. Keep it up because it's a top-tier build. I'm hoping to try it myself. You earned a sub. Cheers.
I was rocking the stun pistols on a lightweight build due to the high direct impact modifiers. Use the close range auto pistol and one Duckett to break posture then melt with the stun pistol
I made a needle + Zimmerman + coral shield build and it was so mean I had to start running different builds because it was just total cheese. Glad to see people are making counters to it
I was always suspect about shields for 3v3, but I always knew they were going to be good in 1v1. The fact that they can almost entirely reduce the effectiveness of missle barrages made that clear for me.
I just got to trying PvP regularly, and I got into several double Zimmerman builds right away. I managed to beat them with after a loss or two with a pulse blade, red-shift blade, one Zimmerman and soup. This seems like a great build to go up against. I’m not a good pvp player but seems more fun than some cheese builds people try.
There I was, using Zimmermans, because hey, it IS a pretty fun build, when I was looking for a solid offhand option to use while I was reloading. I had the Ashmead on left, but I wanted another bay weapon right. So I saw this dinky little stun pistol and thought "might as well try it." The ONLY thing that now holds me back from dual wielding these suckers for S-Ranking missions is their low ammo count. But the second I'm done, and I've unlocked every part... I am going to rain terror upon the PvP scene.
I really see this build as a turning point in PVP AC design philosophy as the barrel stuffing strategy of double Zimmermanns will quickly get outclassed by smarter, calmer, more experienced pilots building more flexible AC’s. Which isn’t to say that hyper specialized builds will be bad, players will just need to be get better at leveraging their strengths. I’m just very excited to see what people begin to cook up after this point.
I've used this myself, without the shield and just 2 missile launchers on the back. The issue I have with it is that is too much of a close-quarters build, and in scenarios outside of Delta Point where people can play smart and run away after doing some damage from far away, you'll get easily kitted. The game is designed with the timer because it allows builds that are not super biased to have a chance against super close-quarter builds like the double zimmerrmans, by running away. It forces enemies to chase u and allows more builds diversity. This is why I mostly play on maps that have cover. Watchpoint delta is not super fair when it comes to duels. I recommend trying the double needle guns. They are strong as fuck, too. Is what I'm currently use and saw more efficiency with both of them than with the needle guns. Good luck :)! Can't wait to unlock the coral shield and see how I implement it in my build.
It's not really. I do enjoy that this game is far less salty, even with the meta stuff. If you lose it's still a fun experience, especially right now it's also a learning experience.
I always thought this was an underrated gun, i also wanted more than one back weapon that gives ED, we have four weapons for that basically: Stun Grenades, Stun Pistols, Stun Baton and the Stun Neddles. And don't even get me started with ACS
Thanks for the Build! Should be a nice addition to the Problem Solvers! White Glint cosplay build is VERY useful too! Harris and Turner rifles, Dual BML-G2/P19 Missiles, Head: HC-2000 Shade Eye, Core: IB-CO3C, Arms: AS-5000 Salad, Legs: IB-CO3L, Booster: NGI 001, FCS: WLT 001, Generator: VP-20S and Expansion: Assault Armor!
You can also equip the drones you get by beating the arena matches on your right shoulder just for some extra pepper, you can just fire-and-forget them as long as you locked onto your opponent
I actually found this build while messing around with a friend in 1v1s. I put it together blindly as a joke, expecting the stun pistols to build ACS or something, and was so horrified by how well it actually worked that I immediately switched away from it out of guilt.
Check out my friend Mood's channel if you like off-meta, high-skill gameplay. He's very likely the best melee player in AC6 PvP. www.youtube.com/@CodenameMood
As someone who created a build specifically to use the literal heaviest weapons in the game, a high skill off meta player sounds right up my alley.
Ever tried the sceptum thing? Seems like it might be good for this?
Why does the share ID not work?? Does it not work cause I’m on Xbox??
Yep. This is PC @@Toto-yj8hc
Just curious, I only bought the game a few days ago and only last night beat the opening mission. How far into the game do I need to go to get all these parts
This was such an unnervingly chill and laid-back atmosphere to showcasing this newfound war crime. I love it.
a war crime to end all war crimes
Now we enter the phase between us and Miyazaky again.
Exactly. Peak Armored Core, tbh.
The only crime in war is to lose
I knew people were sleeping on the utility of shields. Everyone's just like "no way man, it's all about DPS"
Absolutely, plus the main way to counter electric buildup is with a shield. The dual zimmermans are unprepared.
Can't wait for the shieldless players to be like "I dOn'T uSe sHiELDs iN FrOm GaMeS tHeY'rE eAsY mOdE" like it's some sort of accomplishment 😂
Really? Maybe I'm just bad/using the wrong option, but my experience with them has been pretty poor. You still get stagger built up, even if it's less, and they overheat pretty quick. Just feel like I have a dead weapon slot and I should just be focusing on my dodge game.
@@DoctorWhoBlue you have to be using the right shield for what you want, and in the right moment. it's a bit of a steep learning curve, but at the peak they're godly.
It's kind of like how players are attracted to the, what was it? MG-1000 in AC3 and Silent Line. It's a Machine Gun with a 1000 bullets, and it's great in PvE because you can just hold down the fire button and as long as you keep the enemy in your sights, they'll die, and you have enough ammo to finish just about any mission in the game.
However, in terms of PvP(and fighitng other ACs in general) it's comparatively worst than it's 500 ammo counterpart because simply put, you don't NEED 1000 ammo to kill another AC. It's complete overkill. And something similar's going on here. People are used to overwhelming firepower that the Story encourages, goes into PvP with that mentality, then get's vibe checekd by players that built AROUND the noob trap. Is funny.
I'm all in for an anti-meta build in any game all time. I've been loving using the cluster bomb to fight the zimmermans in a build I jokingly named "Agriculture"
Anti-popular is more accurate to say. Meta is simply the most effective strategy/builds and is =/= popular. Zimmerman quickly got assigned as meta because it was discovered early while subsequent ones as "anti-meta" when in reality the two are not different.
2x Stun Guns is the Meta people are just catching up to this fact
I don't get it. Why is naming it "Agriculture" funny. Pls elaborate🙏
@@raizan1526that's not what meta- means, you're thinking of the dorky backronym "most effective tactic available," which loses most of the meaning of the word in translation.
The meta is the game within the game. For competitive games, what is the "most effective" is often inseparable from what is most popular, because what is popular dictates what you are most likely to encounter, which informs what would be an effective counter.
"The meta" is a description of the state of the subgame. When people say that Zimmermans are the meta, they are correct, even if if turns out that they're not actually the most effective -- because this is a statement of public perception, not an objective analysis.
Hope this helps
@@Sljm8D the "meta" is an ever-changing abstract, if there ever is an effective counter to a meta, it will evolve.
The creativity on builds is top tier in this game
For sure. Everybody wants to find a meta; a top-tier build that’ll wreck any AC with ease. The problem with that is, there’s a counter to everything in this game.
@@notgonnapay yea I’m on the hunt for a 3v3 build or play style , my problem is tunnel vision on one person than all the sudden I’m getting jumped and now it’s 2v1. But keep grinding
@@iph2 try using the nebula plasma rifle with charged shots. firing at the ground under your feet when surrounded will deal a crazy amount of stagger and damage to everyone caught in the blast, and it lingers for abour two seconds.
Not in pvp. There are literally 3 builds you see over and over and over...
@@jotuthegamingguru8809 not in pve either lmao literally empty praises
"That's the most honest build I've ever seen"
Little does he know.
Another big thing I noticed about most meta builds is that they're really invested into burst DPS windows. So that Coral Shield really does alot of work into mitigating alot of that burst potential enemies have
People tend to just full spam and the shield lasts a decent time so you can manage the shield in between their burst dps damage and attack them back when they reload.
There's basically no sustain from most builds
Props, I really appreciate the random creativity of you Armored Core 6 players. This is the beginning of a great new gaming community. I can see it blossoming into something special for us that play this. Great build & commentary.
It's like the antithesis of COD players.
Lmao buddy the dueling community for Armored Core has been around well over a decade.
Shields are wonderful and I am glad people have started to try using them. It's also rather funny how Oro has jumped on the stun gun train after his easy meta wings got countered. Diversity will help the game for sure, and I am already thinking of a few builds to counter this when I see it.
A melee build with pulse sword would wreck its fucking face
I use a very similar build, tough much more speed focused, and I do know of a BIG weakness the stun guns have. Shields block your electric buildup completely, so if your opponent knows what theyre doing they can just keep their shield up at all times and u wont get any electric buildup.
Yep, coral shield counters stun guns pretty hard.
You can run this with a bullet orbit on the open shoulder slot, and if you run into a coral shield (personally still never run into them,) kick them a lot to build regular stagger.
@@Myndrr I tend to prefer laser drones for the open shoulder spot, but yeah against shields u gotta either find angels if they arent using coral shield or break the shield, and that can be really rough sometimes.
@@MyndrrI think a good way to counter that would be to equip the pulse long gun. You can use it without dropping your own dps/shield and still cause a massive amount of overheat to opponent’s shields and break pulse armor easily. Only downside is it has pretty bad overheat recovery.
I found this out by accident afterwards cause I was running a shield before I knew how toxic the Stun build I was facing was 😂
@@Myndrr wouldn't stun gun get countered by mid to long range build that does constant damage?
I personally did sport and see people using stun gun in 3v3, but they mostly get dunked on pretty fast unless they manage to hide and ambush.
Lately i also have been seeing people using shield in asia server, it does counter zimmer pretty hard. But get dunked on by constant damage from lazer.
3rd point: Would bubble gun destroy shield quick? those gun exist to counter shield after all.
Can we please talk about how this guy only has 3 videos. props to him for editing these so well and sharing his thought process!
No
@@Tychoniousyes
Before people come running in claiming this is OP - Just bring a shield, any shield - Pulse Armor, Back Shield, literally any shield mitigates the entire benefit of stun pistols. They also have low ammo, so they're likely to run out of ammo if you parry and pulse armor during rush downs -
I love this, I stumbled on the Zinnermans like day 2 and while I love them I love more how there’s still things that can beat them
The game woudn't be as fun if it was centralized around them, hopefully this game's meta develops in a way that encourages build diversity
I have been using a variation of this build for a bit and you are right. it is sleeper op. Using a different booster for stronger QBs and a 6 cell plasma launcher for that little extra damage and I just like the flow of them.
Awesome video, keep it up! love the build. Love these stun guns.
the amount of joy i get watching you destroy Oroboro surpasses the day when i was 10 years old and receiving a N64 for xmas.
Your piloting is very good. I could never pull off the timing of the shield and pulse shield that well
Appreciate it, broski
Man I’m so excited to get this game. Gotta wait a few days so these pvp videos have been keeping me occupied without spoiler worries. Really cool build
Just by thinking of this build in the zimmemans meta you deserve a sub
This is exactly what I love about armored core. Outsmarting the meta and creating a unique build that is devastating as was as fun to play
Nice to see something different that seems fun to play, and glad to see some actual use of the shields!
Just came across this video, and kinda blown away by how well this build works, already having fun just working with the base concept in assembly and tweaking to see what works better for me and all that. Definetly will be looking at more of your builds!
This looks like so much, I like that it’s not the typical stagger type build. Definitely gunna make it on xbox. Are any of the parts from NG?
Mind Beta head is from NG+ arena but is not necessary to the build. Coral shield is from one of the last missions of NG++ in a chest and is quite essential.
Stun guns are also from ng+, after you clear the ice worm
I use a reverse joint build with the melee prioritizing fcs chip, highest regen generator, 160 firearm specialization arms, and quad shotguns. I have the lighest parts possible, and i use the starting shotguns paired with the 13 round burst shotguns. They have a near perfect reload time when you swap between them, and the circling / jumping speed is awesome. Ive been winning a lot in the arena, but I went up against a friend who showed me this build and he absolutely creamed me, with me winning only one time due to reflexes alone, because i won with about 40 AP. Kudos to you, this is an excellent video and its nice to see the meta have a strong contender. Your videos are awesome, man. Keep it up! Subbed + notifications on for you
watching you melt oroboros really brought joy to my heart in a way that's hard to put into words.
"He's in for a bad time"
"OH SHIT OH FUCK WHAT THE FUCK OH GOD"
Orboro got Iguazu'd lmao.
What's funny is I didn't even think that the stun guns we're this useful. I just needed something to match my addiction to the stun baton.
I went up against a lightweight build dual-wielding the stunguns the other day, I think he used 2 laser drones as well. Didn't matter what build I used, he totally wiped the floor with me! The only thing that worked against him was dual-wielding flamethrowers.
I even tried copying his build (with some variations) and did really good against Missile Boats, I was so fast and aggressive that they just couldn't stay away from me, and I was constantly dodging their missiles.
I tried to fight the guy who inspired the build with it, but he totally whooped me again.
Now that I think about it, do you think a variation of the Bumblebee with Dual Flamethrower's would be nasty, too?
>do you think a variation of the Bumblebee with Dual Flamethrower's would be nasty, too?
I do have use a version that's exactly that! It's not quite as effective as the stun guns IMO, but the meme factor of the flamethrowers is high. I call it the Firefly. Might make a short video on it. It still beats zimmerman builds even though it lacks a stun, in my experience.
@@Myndrr If you have a great way to stagger through the Flamethrowers with shoulders, it becomes OP.
Was it bright yellow and my wasp?
I run these with following Lazer drones that I sometime swap with moonlight or a stun rod it's a good time, and fast asf.
considering that the flame status makes the target more suspectable to stagger damage...
you might love giving the enemy a rapid stagger once the status takes effect...
@@DaBlaccGhost nah this guy was crimson, couldn't make out any patterns
Fantastic build! I love Oro's upbeat attitude, he's just happy to see his meta build get hard countered xD
I have been rocking the medium laser rifles, and it seems that even fast builds struggle to dodge them and they do a lot of damage. I know the stun is important in this build, but I wonder how viable everything else is going to be when people start using shields
Rock any laser setup with a generator the actually gives the Energy Weapon Bonus & your bound to have fun.
The coral generators are decent, but not legendary. I use them because for the mobility
I like the regular Laser Rifles VP-66LR in both hands and alternate fire between left and right. They have great DPS and range so you can out-range most people but still have a high firerate to increase your chances of hitting your opponent. Only issue would be people spamming dodge as tracking become useless, or people who are really good at utilizing Assault Boost Kicks.
AB Kicking with a Coral Generator are especially devastating as they can continuously AB to stay close and keep up no matter how much you try to stay at range, and paired with the microstuns/stagger from AB Kicks and you're trapped. Only way to keep up with their energy recovery and stay away is to use a coral generator yourself, but coral generators aren't the best with energy guns as they don't have a high Energy Firearm Specialization.
The other major drawback of coral generators is they have the longest recharge delay out of all the generators, think it’s somewhere around 4.3 to 4.9 compared to the rest that are below 2.
I love the stun pistols and I'm surprised that they aren't apart of meta builds like Zimmermans. I made a build with the stun needles and stun guns just to capitalize on the status effect. it feels like you're constantly proccing bleed in Elden ring and it's a nice change from the stagger break meta we're in
It's a lot harder to sell weapons that are effective but not highlight-reel material as meta. People like seeing big numbers and health bars getting deleted and equate that with the best possible option/being really good regardless of any context around it.
It's similar to how when a new fighting game comes out, whatever character (often heavy grapplers) has the highest single-damage move is considered very strong until however long it takes for people to remember that, actually, not being able to combo off your light attacks or, y'know, *move* is a pretty significant handicap.
The longer the game has been out and popular, the more builds that aren't just "look you can one-shot something" will become common knowledge.
Great one! I dislike the Zimmerman builds and my favorite PvP was the day after release where lots of people were trying it out without knowing what the meta even was
I don't know anything about AC6 PvP, but it's really fun to see what's broken or cool build ideas. Keep up the videos man!
Man fought wars through it's history with sticks, swords, guns and eventually nuclear weapons. This build equates to the development of the nuke. A turning point in humanity's destructive power.
I'd be interested in seeing a compilation of little known facts such as the ones in this video about how the coral shield makes your expansion more effective or how the stun guns affect recoil. It seems like there are a lot of attributes in this game that are pretty obscure and highly important.
my main pvp build that I stumbled upon a little over a week ago is literally this but with a singular stun Needle launcher and reverse joint legs I named Hornet and I've loved it to bits, it's soooo good. glad to see someone else realizing double stun pistol with the coral shield is amazing!
I have never heard oroboro get SHOCKED like that.
Ive havent played AC6 but was going to, and was seeing that zimmermans meta I was no way doing pvp yet... Now you gave me hope, thanks my dude, you got a new follower now
ZIMMY Spam is actually avoidable by viewing the mech they have before you ready up.. Don't party up & play with anyone who chooses it. If your desperate, sure. Otherwise, show community solidarity by avoiding it.
Zimmermans are easy to counter if you can stay out of their range. That's the only tricky part.
I've found that using the explosive thrower timed with good shield parry really helps keep Zim meta users out of your face, or at least punishing them with a wall of explosives in their face every time they try it. Too many people sleep on the forearm mounted claymore. Anyways, what an interesting build, very unique! Something I myself would've never thought about. Good video!
Ironically I was seeing it a lot on Gundam cosplay builds cause they were using to to mimic the arm shied that a lot of Gundam suits have. But turns out its good for practical reasons too not just looks!
I made a build somewhat similar to this. Just without the efficiency of coral shields and gens. I was able to play a few games before I found a lobby that I kept getting booted from. I was messaged and told that my AC build was too cheesy and they wouldn't let me join unless I changed. The host was clearly teamed with someone they knew and they both had Zimmermans. Funny how that works, i wasn't even that good with the build
I love how the guy in the intro was like "That's an honest build" then proceeds to get melted without getting a chance to shoot his bigger guns.
I have a build called the “Mosquito” that might actually be a good match against the bubble bee, but regardless I’m definitely going to try this one out olive I get the coral shield now that I’m in NG++
Were you the dude with dual pistols a middle weight core and the lightweight legs along with a kinetic weapon pod?
I stumbled into a counter for people using the stunguns because I was building an anti-discharge mech for people using double stun needles. I tune for speed and assault boost to tab+s+Ctrl to back off to let armor cook off naturally. People also sleep on the ministun from kicks, as well as the assault boost melee bonus that some boosters excel in.
I am absolutely loving this. A friend of mine and I made a similar build but with more joking intent rather than functionality but it was still working well. Instead of a shield, we had weapon swaps to use the big box stun weapons that just shot a wave of electricity for the main intent to build up as much of the ELEC Discharge as possible.
But that would make sense coming from an AC called "PISS MAN"
After the recent patch, how does this build stack up in the current meta?
Still really strong. However these days stun guns are more counterable because head status resistance was fixed, so there's a head that makes stun guns take 3x as long to elec proc people
Lol that clip at the beginning is amazing. Can't get enough of it.
This is a really cool build, but I feel like itll stop working when they fix the status recovery stat on heads. At the moment, that stat is bugged and does not function. If it did, players could equip heads with a high status recovery and clear themselves of elec. discharge just by backing away. There is also the possibility that the status recovery stat would reduce the amount of time it takes for your acs strain to begin dropping.
What I love about this build is that a few very similar setups exist in the arena.
I love this game so much ❤❤❤
Samesies. AC6 gave me major hopium for the games industry.
Had to subscribe, great gameplay, great editing, great explanation, no fluff or unnecessary cringe humor or anything. Solid work. Respect
I like double stun guns with the double stun needle cannons. Paring it with a lightweight reverse joint build makes for an extremely mobile buld. You can use the reverse joints to dodge right over zimmerman shots quite consistenetly, and the stun damage from from 4 stun weapons is insane.
This is one of thee most creative and smart builds I've seen yet.
This video actually makes me think if I should use shields more. I wanna make like a “heavy knight” type build with shield and lance on tank threads or on a boat. Will it even work?
Yes, there are "lancer build" which sport shield, lance, flamerthrower and a heavy frame that have main role of disrupting enemy lines or taking damage for your team.
Or the pulse thrower with tread = You have a calvary with flails. FLAILS*
Oroboro: I think he's (Myndrrr) in for a bad time.
Narrator: Oroboro was in for a bad time.
Honestly, I refuse to use meta weapons. Love how you made this build and destroyed the meta.
the dual electric guns are meta btw
So this means you will play Zimmermanns now?
@kelvinator5088 i'm currently experimenting and trying out burst rifles. Staying mobile at mid distance to try and counter zimmers. Only problem is that they have a quite similar strategy to the electric guns, but are just plain weaker
@@falcon8467 The Zimmys are over-tuned to the point very few true counters actually exist at this early juncture in the games lifecycle. Laser builds or any build that can give distance while putting out damage beats Zimmerman, you just have to use AB as an escape method as soon as they come in range. Even then, that's not a hard counter. This Coral Shield seems to negate what really matters, the Attitude Negation. Zimmys need a Damage reduction & Attitude stability modifier reduction whilst increasing the rate of fire to compensate. Slower Stagger buildup alone would be a game changer for this current Zimmy meta.
@LloydsSky9 agreed. Zimmermans are too dominant at the moment. Or simply, the other weapons are too weak by comparison.
What we need is a PvP balance separate from PvE, tweaks to status effect and stagger buildup, missile accuracy, more speed for light builds and buffs to the pletora of unused weapons... among the many things
The fear of GOD has been put in man's eyes.
and now i have to unlock mind beta and the coral shield to deletus people from this earth.
Thank you for unleashing this demon upon the world
I've met one guy with a similar stun build and it was remarkable. Had much respect for his meta defying style.
I dont forsee content to go stagnant anytime soon. This build itself is a testament that there is more to come.
Keep it up because it's a top-tier build. I'm hoping to try it myself. You earned a sub. Cheers.
0:55
Narrator: He did not have a bad time.
I was rocking the stun pistols on a lightweight build due to the high direct impact modifiers. Use the close range auto pistol and one Duckett to break posture then melt with the stun pistol
The Zimmerman will shiver ! Damn tell them Zimmerman era is out!
Even the he got destroyed, gotta love Oroboro for the enthusiasm for a new build.
I made a needle + Zimmerman + coral shield build and it was so mean I had to start running different builds because it was just total cheese. Glad to see people are making counters to it
Watching meta games develop is one of my favorite things in modern gaming.
Just subbed I’m going through the game for the second time I’ll hit up pvp after my 3 play through thanks for the video !!! Really enjoyed it
Brain > Metaslaves. Phenomenal Job Myndrrr.
Thank you for sharing! I had been trying to understand how some of the other damage types affect the game
Glad to see somebody give that 'metaboy' some lessons, great bd!!!
I was always suspect about shields for 3v3, but I always knew they were going to be good in 1v1. The fact that they can almost entirely reduce the effectiveness of missle barrages made that clear for me.
The parry at 6:20 was *chefs kiss*.
>Dude destroys an Oroboro's meta build.
"You have my full attention."
3:41 that fly off was so epically anime
I felt Emperor Palpatine rise within you at the end
It will be done master
I just got to trying PvP regularly, and I got into several double Zimmerman builds right away.
I managed to beat them with after a loss or two with a pulse blade, red-shift blade, one Zimmerman and soup.
This seems like a great build to go up against. I’m not a good pvp player but seems more fun than some cheese builds people try.
im glad someone else realizes how amazing the zappy guns are
It was so satisfying to see you wipe the floor with that guy being arrogant.
This build would crumple to my signature build... the quad pulse wheelchair.
I knew people would discover these but feared the day the information spread....
Nice to see you humble Oro a bit, sick build!
It's the bleed build. The king has returned.
When you get melted this quickly, you can’t help but laugh and give credit where it’s due
There I was, using Zimmermans, because hey, it IS a pretty fun build, when I was looking for a solid offhand option to use while I was reloading. I had the Ashmead on left, but I wanted another bay weapon right. So I saw this dinky little stun pistol and thought "might as well try it."
The ONLY thing that now holds me back from dual wielding these suckers for S-Ranking missions is their low ammo count. But the second I'm done, and I've unlocked every part...
I am going to rain terror upon the PvP scene.
Oroboro: What the fuck is even that?
Bumble bee: *Your doom.*
I really see this build as a turning point in PVP AC design philosophy as the barrel stuffing strategy of double Zimmermanns will quickly get outclassed by smarter, calmer, more experienced pilots building more flexible AC’s. Which isn’t to say that hyper specialized builds will be bad, players will just need to be get better at leveraging their strengths. I’m just very excited to see what people begin to cook up after this point.
I've got a dual stuns guns+dual stun bombs build. Haven't used it in PvP yet, but this is making me even more excited to!
I love this. Upset the meta, and upset the meta again until people realize the builds are balanced by something else that outcompetes it.
Wow! This thing is evil!
That's no bumblebee, that's a Giant Hornet!
I'm a simple man, I see "annihilating Zimmerman builds" I click like
I've used this myself, without the shield and just 2 missile launchers on the back. The issue I have with it is that is too much of a close-quarters build, and in scenarios outside of Delta Point where people can play smart and run away after doing some damage from far away, you'll get easily kitted. The game is designed with the timer because it allows builds that are not super biased to have a chance against super close-quarter builds like the double zimmerrmans, by running away. It forces enemies to chase u and allows more builds diversity. This is why I mostly play on maps that have cover. Watchpoint delta is not super fair when it comes to duels.
I recommend trying the double needle guns. They are strong as fuck, too. Is what I'm currently use and saw more efficiency with both of them than with the needle guns. Good luck :)! Can't wait to unlock the coral shield and see how I implement it in my build.
I hope this becomes popular, I'm also winning every match with my build and would love to vs it to see which is better
I love how dunking on Oroboro is a thing in Armored Core 6.
It's not really. I do enjoy that this game is far less salty, even with the meta stuff. If you lose it's still a fun experience, especially right now it's also a learning experience.
I always thought this was an underrated gun, i also wanted more than one back weapon that gives ED, we have four weapons for that basically: Stun Grenades, Stun Pistols, Stun Baton and the Stun Neddles.
And don't even get me started with ACS
Great job man! You need more recognition and subs!!
The weakness i see in this build is that other shields seem to block the en discharge buildup along with a portion of the damage.
Thanks for the Build! Should be a nice addition to the Problem Solvers! White Glint cosplay build is VERY useful too! Harris and Turner rifles, Dual BML-G2/P19 Missiles, Head: HC-2000 Shade Eye, Core: IB-CO3C, Arms: AS-5000 Salad, Legs: IB-CO3L, Booster: NGI 001, FCS: WLT 001, Generator: VP-20S and Expansion: Assault Armor!
1:16 "Oh god. OH GOD! What the fuck?! What is THAT?!?! That's fucked up!" - Oroboro, 2023
I would absolutely love to see how this build fights my flamethrower wheelchair because it doesn’t care about ACS damage ether
You can also equip the drones you get by beating the arena matches on your right shoulder just for some extra pepper, you can just fire-and-forget them as long as you locked onto your opponent
Found it. Every time i see three people use a build i go look for it on TH-cam.
I hate the future.
Finally someone else has found the potential of electric weapons
I actually found this build while messing around with a friend in 1v1s. I put it together blindly as a joke, expecting the stun pistols to build ACS or something, and was so horrified by how well it actually worked that I immediately switched away from it out of guilt.