@@alext5497 yeah, it's pretty much two things: calling himself challenger as fake ad and charging people the money without giving them the lesson properly
@NekronSX thr money thing is nothing Niece is correct, assuming his schedule is full like he claims. I'd argue he should charge even more. But what do I know, I just own a business
@@alext5497 The money thing is nothing? It's $350 a pop for very substandard coaching. Down the chutes the money goes for a colossal waste of time. No meaningful improvement to most of the coached clients elo-wise as evidenced by their opggs. No, he should charge less, far less until the results prove otherwise.
as an iron player i really appreciate you advertising selling smurfs, that way i can practice with people that have literally no reason to be in my elo other than feeding their really unstable self worth 👍👍 edit: (guys relax, I'm not actually thinking that the games I lose are because of smurfs, nor do I encounter many/any; I just thought the concept of selling smurfs while talking about bad business practices was a bit funny)
I don’t play LoL but do smurfs mean something different in this game? I can’t imaging someone calling someone else unethical/dishonest then proceeds to sell Smurf accounts. That is absolutely insane to me.
yeah its a whole pot calling the kettle black situation. The no life league community hates Neece bc he lied about an rank in a video to make money which literally anyone would do. not to mention him not being challenger is meaningless bc bro coaches iron and bronze players. From a purely objective persepective Neece did nothing out of the ordinary, but to ego no lives saying youre challenger when u arent is like a genuine sin.
@@Fitzness1its just odd in a game that has a ladder and everything is easily verifiable to lie as a public figure and double, triple, quadruple down. And charging people as a coach when youre lying about your rank would be like some dad claiming to have been in the MLB but really he was the bat boy, coaching and simultaneously pretending he was an MLB level player
@@lemonscentedgames3641 thats a valid point. my main point tho is that yes hes lying, but if people rly cared they would stop buying. is it scummy sure, so stop paying for it. its the same for these idiot consumers who spend money on shit products and shitty games every year and then complain about it. dont hate the business man hate the customers.
Calling someone fake while openly breaking ToS and selling smurf accounts. The hypocrisy! Why anyone would ever pay for coaching or buy an account is beyond me.
@@hazmat1 Dude you're making a video about scummy behavior while openly selling illegal smurf accounts. You are both contributing to making the game worse. The lack of self awareness. Unreal.
Buying a lvl 30 account for $5 instead of spending many hours lvling an account yourself is worth it to some people. Also most bots play AI games so not really sure you're using the word hypocrisy correctly. @hazmat1 am i missing something here?
shilling smurfs that ruin the game while talking down on someone else ruins your validity 100%. you cant get mad at someone for being dishonest when you do the same things
Video starts with an AD for smurf accounts. What a moment to watch a video criticizing someone and at the same time being supported by companies that sell smurf accounts
@@hazmat1it’s an incredibly critical review. i don’t care for neace but having watched this video, it’s clear that neace is supposed to be seen as the toxic scammer taking advantage of people who probably shouldn’t spend $350 on coaching
tyler1 had a solid take. i remember being trash at csgo but thinking i needed a coach. just watching myself play and watching others improved me drastically.
@@volkan2097 I think wanting to improve in something that you have a passion for is the most normal thing ever, especially if it is in a competitive setting. Even if you never get anything in return for it. And you can apply that logic to any hobby there is. Most brains are simply hardwired to become better and it's easier to get better at something you like.
I dont even play league of legends and I think it's absolutely brain dead to take on a smurf sponsor in a video about dishonestly in league. I mean the lack of awareness here is absolutely remarkable, honestly mind boggling
@@ratibena8297 Wow you really cared, I'm honored. It's been 2 months since I wrote that and now you reply, you must really think I'm cool. Maybe at some point in life you'll grow up and lose all of that edgelord attitude and you can be cool just like me.
@@Scaleo3 nothing wrong with buying a smurf account mate. Some people that wanna smurf cba to grind a fresh account. Yet you think you have the moral highground.....lmao, smurfs aren't illegal you utter melt.
These smurf accounts are typically not actually smurf accounts, but just fresh ones. There is almost an entirely separate que for gold+ players with insanely high winrates. Yes occasionally you see a person buy an iron or bronze account, but it is extremely rare, and the people that buy them typically are pretty average players.
thank you for advertising smurfs, getting friends into league was honestly too easy with all the already existing smurfs stomping them every single game, finally it can be a bit more challenging
surely you can carry and coach them, no? or are you just venting about how you're personally stuck silver and blame it all on everyone smurfing in every single game even though I would need to physically try to int to be stuck there
@@poppetx I just had a friend bounce off league for this. I'm only plat, I tried to coach his fundamentals and stuff, but he didn't have a gaming background and so at the same time he was learning league, he was learning how to even use a mouse and keyboard. Looking down to find his buttons and shit. Hit 30, placed iron 3, and gave up after maybe 10 more games.
@@poppetxthat's not his point though, any new player in league will not enjoy playing the game because they get stomped 3/4 games by smurfs, especially the first levels, its impossible to get someone to try league and not have them get stomped 20x times before they can even queue ranked, wether they get carried or not, they aren't having a good time, and alot of early lol games is mostly just trying to figure what your champ and what other champs can do, which can't be coached
@@poppetx You just invented a rank for this person and patronized them for being in it, totally unprovoked, on a random youtube video. Least unhinged league enjoyer btw. For real tho, no one cares what your rank is buddy, but that attitude could get on some peoples nerves so maybe work on yourself instead of your cs/min next time
Tyler1 has played League so addictively, that he remembers practically every player and username he has come across in his multiple challenger climbs (so he can blame them for his losses and losers queues later of course.) The fact that he has no clue who NEACE is, is due to the fact that NEACE has never been at Tyler1's elo.
Bro, I have never even played with NEACE... Most of his accounts are near D2-D4. He's not a "Challenger player" like he branded. He just knew that branding as a less than Challenger coach would affect his client acquisition.
@@jacobmorris3295 I mean he actually was challenger in LAN so the challenger thing is true and he even made it to korean masters this year too. He is pretty good
I watched a lot of Neace videos. Because of them, I was able to get out of Bronze for the first time after 8 years of playing League. And then I finally reached gold and started having more fun with the game. You can say what you will about him, but he made it easy for me to understand and apply concepts. And I, for one, am thankful for his content.
same brother, all the ADD challenger guys don't ever speak to the basics. He helped me with the meta game and map control, and understanding the concept of always staying busy.
neace: complains about being target hated also neace: creates literal burner accounts to target hate other creators or anyone who disagrees with him and praise himself 🙂
he even said he sold his account to a chinese dude. riot could just ban him and every acc he streams with and flag his content for promoting account-trading xD
@@ShadowfoxAut that shit also makes no sense, if you only make challenger as proof of concept you keep the account to have a shorter climb the next season
typical narcissistic delusional fake it til u make it vibes, 90% of popular people in the media and online fall into this category of dumb full of shit idiots who soak up their own bs they actually start to believe it, literally no self awareness, respect or morals just bottom feeding snake scum who will do anything for a buck or clout
@Donabe7-im5cs lots of Chinese people move to America for a short stint ie university or work. So your argument makes sense to some extent but for people who doesn't live in their parents basement and have IRL success don't have time to grind to lvl30 with bots and newbie. So they need their fix of gaming addiction. Buying accounts is the way to do it. I don't condone the practice or giving in to the addiction, but people with money tends to do what they want and get away with it.
I think he could have easily avoided most of the hate from the community by not being an arrogant piece of shit in his responses, honestly. People would have lost interest and he could've continued doing whatever
@@Digger-Nick I do love a coach that can short-circuit at a client at any moment for not listening to your calls. That's like getting yelled at during your work.
@@Digger-Nick More like your boss whispered a command to you from the 21st floor of the company building while you were working on the 5th floor and got mad at you for not following his commands. But go off surely neace will notice you... unless you are neace? Wouldn't surprise me at this point.
idk, for me personally, here are the facts: He got challenger in LAN he was datamined in NA, and got to GM and was around 40 lp away from challenger playing TWISTED FATE while being in a weak state he got masters in Korea recently. He was one of the only players along with trick2g who taught low elo people league while every other streamer (funny enough, most the people flaming Neace such as LS, I Will Dominate, Tarzaned fall under this category) were extremely elitist and barely made ANY free content or paid content for the average joe while roasting them at any given point. I personally think Neace is qualified to coach diamond and below players.... and the price, I think it's justified considering he has THE MOST FREE CONTENT for low elo coaching out of anyone i know (100s if not 1000s of FREE videos) and he was doing it before anyone else wanted to do it. I would say just watch his free shit, and don't be mad at him, be mad at the idiots paying 100s of dollars for content they can learn for free on HIS channel. I got to masters+ learning from Neace and Trick2g and honestly i remember how nasty everyone in "high elo" attitude was for these players through out the years, calling them dog shit and bad at the game etc etc. But Neace video on mental apm, his lightning fast commentary, as well as trick2gs bronze sub wars, and My Way video series, really upped my game, to the point where even diamond and masters players feel like a dog walk.
If he helped the average joe during a time where no one else wanted to. And became the top number 1 coach, wouldnt you say hes earned the right to charge the highest price as opposed to anyone else? Its literally bad business otherwise. The man was being booked out the ass, and you want him to not increase the prices why? Because its not a price YOU agree with? Dont be such a child, this is simple business. You dont need to pay to get value from neace, most of his content is free so your argument is mute... @@nothingisitchingme5874
@@jsingh98 He coached for years, and didn't pop off until he started advertising with faked credentials. As soon as it was revealed he lied about challenger, he stopped getting coaching bookings, going from 3 a day to 1 a week at best.
Well he advertised being a multi-role Challenger Coach then proceeded to absolutely rip off iron - gold level players which he could've VERY easily offset/outsourced, which is THE business move to take if you "suffer from success" like he did. Amongst that he is a lolcow. That's it.
@@hiiambarney4489 he was outsourcing. he had partnered with many other high elo players that did coaches. He advertised them frequently and even tried getting people to be coached by them, even showing them off in some videos by having them coach him and yet he was still overbooked.
Neace has a ton of free content that really helped me improve at the game a lot, I can't really knock his coaching, Cause the skepticism I had was like. "oh yeah? I bet he can't do it in a live game" and he did most of his coaching in a live game. Even if the client didn't win that particular game, I still feel like I always got a good lesson out of it, Or an idea to think about. I guess some people felt like they really wanted to take that extra step to get better, And paid for coaching. I don't see it from being any different than being a personal trainer or paying for piano lessons. While I didn't always agree with his wannabe gordon ramsey attitude. I also understood the reasoning behind being abrasive to paying customers and trying to hold them accountable, And lets be honest. The content wouldn't have been as successful if he wasn't like that . I watched a lot of coaching videos and guides before neace and I feel like those didn't quite click with me like neaces approach did.
true. Before his live coaching became the main source of his content, i remember watching him back in like 2016/2017 (the first korea trip i think?). There was some really good content coming from him even back then, especially considering the major league youtubers were putting out 10 min edited highlighted vids of a single game (qtpie, anniebot, dyrus, nightblue, etc). For example he made a few videos which he titled "lightning fast commentaries", which were essentially just a live gameplay where he'd vocalize all the gameplay thoughts as they happened. This isn't a revolutionary idea, but no one else did it, and to be fair it was really useful as far as coaching content went. Additionally all these videos were free. I can think of a few more examples (he played around with eye-tracking software). All this just shows his willingness to experiment with ideas for educational content. I don't really care too much about the drama, anyone with half a brain should be able to see through/navigate the bullshit on their own. As far as educational content creators go in the league scene, he definitely has always been up there/at the top (and it's always been on youtube for free).
One big problem about people I see critcizing him is that his coaching videos are mostly basics. But a lot fail to understand that the clients in those videos are mostly silver and below. If we put it in real life scenario, if Neace is a head chef training a 1st year student from cullinary school, he would be teaching them how to do the meat temperatures properly and repeatedly until it becomes second nature. Now, here comes the food critics saying, "Huh, a head chef who only teach how to fry meat? Even my mother knows how to fry meat." If I were to coach someone, I would install the basics first. Once you master the basics, that's when wave management, different strategies, timing, and other advanced stuff goes. Even if you teach a newbie the cheater recall, they would still get behind because they cannot consistently track jungler and poor warding dying from the most obvious ganks. I hope anyone get my point.
@@Alexander-zm9jd Nah its the right thing to do, there is no place for someone as toxic as neace in the community. There are way better coaches, that are way more friendly and better at coaching overall, for a way cheaper price.
300$ for private coaching, 200$ for live coaching. You learn way faster and better if your coach is talking in a military way (exept if you dont truly want to learn/improve). His way of coaching is like the most efficiency way of doing it. Just what he is saying is pure bs.
As much as i despise Niece, he was literally one of, if not, THE rank 1 GP back in the day. I've been around since day 1. He was unironically challenger and again, arguably the best GP in NA, if not the world. As much as i hate to admit it.... But - WAS. not is. And was, YEARS ago.
Makes a video about a fishy coach Also advertises smurf accounts Maaaan I mean come on. This is above and beyond just pure balls "Im here to make money" move XD
The most important thing is not whether your rank is chall, GM, or even just master (That's just ego flexing), they're all good enough rank to provide value to low elo players. The truly MOST important component that measures your worth as a teacher is the progression of your students. If a person is a challenger player that doesn't make him a good coach it only gets him a good start, if his students make zero progress after his coaching tips then he's a bad coach. If a person is a master player and coaches students to 1-2 or more ranks above where they currently are, then that master player is a WAY better coach than the challenger player and deserves more credit for it.
Edit: i want to iterate in an edit now before the main comment that bias isnt necessarily bad. It's actually good that youre coming to conclusions and stating what you think. My issue is that the mistakes in the video, some of which i highlight below, are either the consequence of incompetence or your bias overriding good sense. Either one of these is unacceptable when you're attempting to release a video that can have tangible effects. The mistakes and inconsistencies I caught are completely unacceptable in a long-form documentary style video and should have been caught, period. This video is riddled with a lot of bias and a lot of nonsense and it's a shame to hear. Very little credit is given to Neace and this video serves more as a hitpiece rather than a documentary. I'll note just a few of the many issues I personally have with the video. 1. You bring up the scientific method in regards to confirming challenger rank, but the scientific method is in no way related? Just a very strange turn of phrase used to degrade "testimonial evidence". Sure, testimonial evidence may seem unscientific, but in a court of law where people are judged by their peers, anecdotal and eyewitness testimony is the most valued form of evidence. This is not a scientific dispute and the scientific method shouldn't be used to characterize the value of the evidence brought forward. 2. You've mentioned Yasukeh's criticisms of Neace's coaching but fail to account for the context in which that occurred. Yasukeh view farmed by reviewing tiktoks of the coaching sessions. There's really nothing else to be said here, any analysis given under the context isnt useful. The fact that this isn't mentioned is an issue. Other critiques mentioned in the video are highly justified and valuable, and Neace absolutely should be held to the fire for live game coaching practices, but nevertheless you need to communicate the value of Yasukeh's commentary based on context. Incredible that earlier you brought up the scientific method in light of your utter failure here. 3. Furthermore, the claims of paid actors made by Yasukeh are incredibly cringe. Just because accounts that featured on the paid coaching aren't active doesn't mean they were paid actors. Again, you bring up the value of the scientific method but fail to mention how the evidence provided doesn't demonstrate the veracity of the claim made. Genuinely incredible. There are a number of other issues with the video that frankly I've forgotten because theres just so much volume of fuckery. Neace deserves to be held to the fire for a lot, especially his coaching practices and the claims of his "multi-role" challenger experience because I can say just from my years of playing in those elos, that's a bald faced lie. This man only ever got to high elo in NA with TF and Tryndie practically. But still, you obviously need to review your methodology for your videos going forward, it boggles my mind the ineptitude.
really well done documentary, sucks that the ad makes it less believable to some ppl, just checked neace s tweets and i was flabbergasted, what goes inside his mind to tweet these things and think "ye thats gon be good for my public image"
I just wonder...who actually gives 2 craps? I've seen his coaching videos..although I would never pay for coaching in general he actually puts effort into his videos...if people are willing to pay for it...great for him while others like yourself are making hour and a half videos and spending probably dozens of hours editing this to literally talk BS about him... he spent those dozens of hours making money... keep on wasting time...I just love the drama xD
I dont like the "playing in challenger games is all that matter not the rank" thing. In overwatch 1 i was a big rein and hog player and at my best i was able to hit low master but then drop after like 2 or 3 games. When people/friends ask me about my best rank i dont say "i was rank master" . I say " i was rank diamond" I like to think if i kept playing i could of get master but had a burnout bc i played the game so much for a while. Consistance is the most important thing.
You should say you peaked at Master because it is a fact. It's like hitting a PR in bench press, then never lifting that heavy again; you still did it. Congratz on hitting Master!
You can always tell them you peaked Master, but your skill is in diamond. There's a skill ceiling, a skill floor, and then an area in between where you usually float on average when you're being consistent
I like the documentary a lot but my main issue is you have all these multi-millionaire content creators complaining that Neace defrauded people because he technically wasn't challenger albeit most likely at a challenger level which makes sense, but has any of his clients ever came out angry because instead of being challenger he was a very high grandmaster player? He has a lot of flaws, narcist, unreasonable, prone to anger and refuses to admit fault. However a lot of people criticizing feel so disingenuous in their attacks, it boils down to technicality and the consumers involved haven't really shown to come out and demand reparations to my knowledge. It's fine to just say yeah he wasn't technically challenger so he is lying technically, but from what I gather in the documentary he essentially at that skill level (not sure about recent times) for a good bit. It does come off as nitpicking and going after someone unlikable because how he responded. There was no mass of people calling him a scammer feeling betrayed he was 450lp vs 500 for that one day, so why are the content creators so hung up on it that they'd continually spend hours and hours talking about it and researching it? From someone vaguely familiar with everyone involved but not really following it too closely it just comes off as people tried to crucify him on a lie and didn't really care about people being scammed purely because they don't like the guy. It kind of seems like if I say I was a firefighter for 40 years and used that as a way of giving advice when technically I was one for 39 years and am getting crucified for lying to people about it. Like LS was obviously moral grandstanding, essentially trying to take moral high road without openly disapproving of the coaching price which is a bit cowardly. Tarzaned actually made a very good point because not giving someone their money back for a coaching session they missed when it's 350 bucks and you're a multimillionaire seems pretty scummy. Yasukeh seemed like he was kinda doing what he thought was right but also milking the situation imo. Maybe I'm just too out of the loop but I feel like this is a bit overblown and nobody really cared about the people being affected, man is free to charge what he charges if people pay they pay, he's not forcing them or pressuring them into it as far as I know so who really cares. The same streamers complaining about the pricing will accept 50 dollar donations from kids using their allowance just to say hi on stream yet take issue with someone paying for a service they believe is overpriced. I agree he shouldn't say challenger coaching but maybe challenger level coaching, just a dumb hill to die on. All in all seems like nobody gives a shit about what they say they care about and just wanted an excuse to shit on people they hate.
He claimed multi season, multi role NA challenger. Even if he hit challenger that one time, he would still be lying. It's not like Neace owned up to his lie of never hitting challenger when called out on it, he doubled down for months and even went as far as to fake screenshots. He was actively defrauding people by pretending his product was something it wasn't. Neace clearly thought his fake challenger credentials were pivotal to his business, which is why he defended them so hard despite definitive proof he was lying. Neace didn't believe his business could succeed without defrauding people, as proven by his actions.
Pretty reasonable summary. This is pretty much where I stand too. Like you said, he have a lot of flaws, but it's not like he is a terrible guy like some others on the scene. He even made challenger on LAN so he was litterally not lying when he advertised as a challenger coach. But for the lynch mob everything is just black or white, no shades of grey. And like you said, no clients have come out and complained except that guy, which is not a great look considering how much money he makes. At the same time tho, other services and similar bussiness might not have accepted to give back money for same reasons. So back to that he have a lot of flaws, but at the same time he is much less of a bad guy then some people wants to make it out to be.
@@Yasukeh Well, I could see how he got frustrated that people didn't believe he made challenger and he had no easy way to prove it (he made challenger on LAN, a smaller server but still challenger, that no one denies) and decideded that fuck it, I'll just photoshop something instead since I know I made challenger anyway, just out of frustration that people didn't believe him and made it out to be such a big deal. His advertisement of being a challenger coach on his website was literally correct, doesn't matter if it was LAN or anywhere else. He seems to have a fragile ego so that seems likely what happened. Nowhere on his coaching website did he advertise as a multirole NA challenger, that was just some twitter thing. He actually decided to not market his coaching on the website as challenger coaching anymore, since people made such a big deal out of it. He definitely would've got a lot less hate if he didn't double down on his responses, but the lynch mob also made it out to be a bigger deal then it was.
Claiming bandwagoning or jealousy is easily the best way to know your point is completely invalid. How do you not only 1) hasty generalisation 2) ad hominem 3) presume intent (arguably) 4) poison the well and 5) make a strawman Assuming all or most arguments are a specific thing is false. Calling people jealous is attacking the person not the argument. Assuming people are arguing in bad faith is presuming intent and attacking the person not the argument again. Poisoning the well is when you attack someone prior to a debate in an unrelated manor to make them look bad, talking about the financial status of someone is definitely unrelated. Lastly by saying your opponent(s) are making a point that they literally are not that’s a strawman
No offense, but it speaks volumes to the credibility of your arguments if you can't even be bothered to look up the definition of a word within the first 3 minutes of your video. It makes you look like you not only have no idea what you're talking about but are still happy to speak on what you don't know.
I don't like when people get divorced and frankly it needs to be treated less lightly than it currently is; however, it's no wonder that Neace couldn't retain a marriage with what we've all seen about his personality, lying, and general actions.
Never really liked NEACE, but I did find that him screaming at silver players - and not providing any reasoning for what he was telling them in games, was a sign that he wasn't what he claimed to be. Seeing every single tweet in all caps is interesting as well.
usually when you say "but" you say something before it and something that could somewhat oppose that first thing after it. Look: Never really liked neace, and I find him screaming at players really fucking susca
@@BayCyst much better! Only semantically incorrect now. Also enhlish isnt my main language, *but* it applies to any You get where im coming from though, hopefully. You say i dont even something but something to give authority to what you say. Its dishonest, not a sintactic error.
The worst people are those that try to "argue" away supply and demand. Like people that complain about the price of luxury goods. The price is always determined by the MARKET! People buy his coaching because it WORKS for them and not many others offer it. He started coaching for $20!!! There was so much demand that he could keep raising the prices. Doesn't matter if he is iron rank, his coaching is at a premium. COPE.
As someone who played league a long time ago and wasn't too shabby at it, Neace just seemed off to me the few weeks I watched him, i was watching his coaching sessions at first and questioned a lot of the decisions he was making for these people. I kept thinking maybe the meta has just changed that much and my knowledge has finally faded into oblivion, it's been a while. Then I saw him livestreaming his own gameplay and low and behold so many times that he was just straight throwing matches with horrible decision making at only platinum ranking while blaming his team for the loss the entire time and banning anybody who criticized him in chat. And don't get me wrong, theres nothing wrong with being a platinum player. That's still something you can be proud of, it's still well above average... but it's no challenger rank like he was claiming to be.
I thought a lot of his games was in the overseas accounts. Like he had a Korean account he played on that he did a few of his videos using. To show the more difficulty in Korean gameplay than USA
@@NadaStud he was playing in Korea because he lived in Korea at the time, he was playing on the server he had the lowest latency on, not to showcase some supposed vast rift in the difficulty between the two. And while it is recognized the SEA server is generally a higher level it isn't some massive rift where barely scraping into one tier means you'll definitely be a whole tier higher on other servers. Aka hitting master on SEA doesn't mean you'd be grandmaster on any other server. I'm not saying he's bad either, he's definitely a good player just nowhere near the level he portrayed himself as.
@@emptyspacevacuum and that objectively is and has never been the point in Neace’s case. He’s demonstrably a liar, and teetering on being a total scammer.
Throughout the video, it really hit me that the credentials for a coach shouldn't even be about quantity, but quality. If you can prove that you coached a single player from bronze to masters in 2-3 years, that's way more trustworthy than having 1000 nameless clients. If you could prove that your clients were climbing way faster than the average player, that at least shows that you're doing something. I get that sample size and sample population is going to be an issue here, but there's at least something. But yeah, according to this video, most of his "clients" were faked so he couldn't use this at all.
I'm more bothered by the fact that he claims he made Challenger rank with multiple accounts, but the excuse of not showing evidence is "I sold it off". It really just feels sketchy when someone claims that.
for business practises he did nothing wrong: there are always people feeling extravaganca and want a personal treatment, thus they shall pay for it. like tyler said it: "watch vods and streams" there is literally enough free knowledge out there, even watching challenger replays should be enough. it boils down to the question: do i have the patience to invest into this by means of discipline, studying, literally diving into the topic myself. or do i want to get spoonfed right??
I'll start: I'll admit that this evidence was sufficient enough to convince me I was conned. Thankfully I never went beyond lurking and defending in shorts and videos. Now that I'm able to reflect back, I realize a lot of the speaking mannerisms I was listening to resembled an awful lot like the "narcissist" personalities described in an extensive video from a mental health channel. And I never knew about his Twitter Response videos. Watching those is such a whiplash from the persona he cultivated on his channel, it just rips the veil apart. Especially the extremely wide smile when discussing a serious topic like, "is there possibly any unethical, uncomfortable, concern over the question if the quality reflects the price?" I also appreciate that the thumbnail, and pacing of the actual video was neither overly aggressive nor click-baity, I think the reason I avoided looking for myself at the ongoing criticism/evidence provided by those critically analyzing Neace, was because the thumbnail or intro or even history of posts went too hard, fitting in the narrative that Neace's "haters" were "obssessive".
I really loved the way he peaked in platinum 4 on korea for 3 months straight, went on a new account and "hit" challenger all of a sudden. He apparently "changed" his Tryndamere Runes to Absolut Focus Scorch which caused his massive surge on Wins. Make of it what you will
A “ringer” is not just a substitute and is common term in American sports. You’re ringer is generally one of your best players, who use in sneaky ways to try to gain an advantage. You can take 5 seconds to google this…. But instead decided to make up your own definition and just use that in a massive documentary you are posting online. I am 4 minutes in and that level of “research” (I am too lazy to google it and made my own definition) really does not bode well for the accuracy of the rest of this video.
I would never pay that much for coaching, but anyone can watch his coaching sessions, roughly know what he will tell them in their session, and if they still want to get a session with him while knowing all of that then that is up to them.
Tbg like the video or what most people really said the price was never the problem cause it's the consumers rights anyways but the value of the product does not reflect the price which is a scam, it's a fraud because he never was what he claimed hence fake credentials, and lastly being an a**hole in the internet which ultimately just puts a target on your back tbh
Unless you're planing on playing full time and attempt to make a living off the game coaching is out of the question play for fun a pixel rank doesn't determine how you have fun.
Idk if anyone told you what Neace meant when he called himself a "ringer" for his Halo 2 team (around the 3:00 mark in your video), but a ringer isn't a substitute. A ringer is someone who is basically put in to look like a typical player but is actually a gigasmurf. Think of having a recreational football club in an amateur league, but you're also friends with Ronaldo so he joins your team. He would be your ringer. Neace was basically saying he was an extremely good Halo 2 player and was put on the team to dominate the tournament.
I would highly recommend looking into the bootcamp. That was by far the worst thing that he did. Try to get in contact with Oorix, Cygnus, SG Hidden, Mr. Kalish, or any of the old members of that bootcamp. There were so many awful management, unpaid labor, and weird drama happening in the 2nd bootcamp.
@@PantheonContent I think his content was directed to real beginners. I was thinking about signing up to the bootcamp as well, but I didnt have enough time back then. However I think if you are bronze he is really helpful. But he couldnt climb out of platinum in Jungle in Korea. He wasnt up to date with the meta and had to accept that Diamond/Masters on the shitty NA server means nothing compared with Korea/EUW. So I highly doubt that he had any real helpful stuff for people who were trying to get very good at the game. imo If you want to get from Plat to Diamond or from Diamond to Masters or Masters to Challenger the only thing that will really help you is 1o1 coaching. If You are at least Emerald you know wave management, last hitting, gank/clear timers. At least in theory. You know all the skillcapped videos on YT already, they are not helpful anymore. You need somone who tells you where you individually messed up. Another Strategy I am copying atm is watching streamers and just play how they would play. Everytime I must make a decision as a Jungler, I ask myself, what would Agurin do (most likely). I am D2 on EUW with 75% WR out of last 20 Games. I guess I am trying to say: Anyone can teach noobs, some better than others, bootcamps that force you to commit and tryhard will help for sure. Teaching experienced players is a way different story. Its very rare that people can teach above their own skill level.
@@PantheonContent You paid for a basic training league of legends program, not sure what you expected outside of basic exercises to work on the fundamentals.
@@Yasukeh I never said he didn’t but it’s still just bad taste and honestly flat out dumb to put in video calling out scummy behavior. And it’s not mentioned in the video, nothing in the video is as bad as selling smurfs in my opinion.
@@themangofour6667 You said that hazmat advertising smurfs is worse than *anything* neace does. Neace helped sell smurfs in addition to breaking that actual law, not just some video game ToS which is unenforceable. Selling smurfs makes some low elo players not have fair games. Neace is falsely advertising in order to fraudulently take other peoples money they wouldn't have given if he wasn't breaking the law.
Trying to flex that you're chill about some beef, or that you're somehow better than someone by pretending to have just woken up, and making a video still in bed ironically tells me that you check social media for other's opinions about you before literally getting out of bed. xD But forreal though when I first saw his channel I had two takeaways: 1, he doesn't actually coach. He just screams angrily on what to do (not why or how). 2, he was oddly rude and egotistical. One last thing: It's really silly to me that Neace and others are using the supply/demand argument to make it seem like Neace had no choice but to charge high prices. In reality he could've set up a calendar where clients could book slots and the limited slots would keep demand lower by force.
I mean seriously though, echoing what Tyler said... People are just mad about the prices but clearly, there are plenty ready to pay that kind of money, don't blame Neace, blame the idiots buying the coaching. Same principle with OnlyFans, there is more free NSFW content on the internet then you could ever watch in a lifetime and yet you have thousands of bozos paying 5-100$ a month to see ONE girl... don't blame the girl, blame the idiots. Neace identified a high value underserved market, made hella cash off of it and is better off than all the haters. He's got the last laugh
I was a neace enjoyer, not a paying customer but I enjoyed his videos since I mained top once upon a time. He removed his goodbye video and it always rubbed me the wrong way how he treated clients (many of them were room temp iq I probably woulda lost it too tbf) This video chronically everything really changed my perspective. Particularly the Ninja drama and his wife’s follow up. It’s clear he was deeply jealous of ninja and felt it should have been him. He expected handouts and recognition, and never gave any to his paying customers. The constant game changes and returns to league really solidified his “I’m just here for the money” ness in my mind. Anyway this is really long, loved the video good stuff
Wow that was a lot to take in. Shocking really as Neace actually helped me with his coaching VODs back in s6 when I was getting back into the game after a 3 season break. Never paid for a coaching session but reached low diamond just by applying some simple things he discussed back then. I also never would've watched Tarzaned if it wasn't for Neace mentioning him several times during jungle coaching vods, this was when Tarzaned was an up and comming who just started his yt/twitch channels. I don't play league anymore but imagine the skill level of the average player and especially those at the top has increased overtime so it seems like a clusterfuck of Neace ego getting too big and not being able to keep up with the gradual skill increase of the community. I don't remember him claiming to be anything else but Master back then. EDIT: $350 for coaching seems like a fucking joke jesus christ
Yeah I watched back around then but after I watched him stream I couldn't watch him again, he was playing in around plat/diamond and he was struggling and blaming his team the very thing his coaching protests complete hypocrite
League is pmuch the only "sport" where you assume coaches should be top tier players themselves. So neace not being challenger is peripheral to me at best. The question is more if his coaching was worth the price or not.
I mean, realistically any gold+ player can give you those pointers if they watch enough high elo players. Look at minimap, ward more, point you at camps/farm you're not seeing, keeping an eye out for you and tracking enemy movement, items, backs, etc. Throw in basic concepts like wave freezing and cheater recalls, runes and match ups and BOOM, you're a challenger coach. 90% of the work is the player you're coaching and getting out of ELO hell
There was this one day I ended up meeting a Grandmaster player in discord (I forgot the full username but I saw him hitting challenger later too). Great guy, was cool enough to party up to play a normal game with me and teach me the basics. I had been playing for only two weeks back then, and game was filled up with high Dia/Master/GM players. So yeah I was in high elo too just after a couple of weeks. Da heck are you doin LCS now throw that contract and bag of cash to this next Faker
To be fair, the reason he screams at the people who buy his coachings is because it's very bootcampey. He isn't there to coddle you or be your friend. He was in the military and as someone who also did a few years in the army, thats just how people talk.
Yeah that's part of the appeal, there's actually one video with someone who didn't realize Neace's style where he realizes about halfway through that the guy has no idea who he is and completely shifts dynamic LMAO
So the picture this paints of the author of the video is: - tries to make money off of drama around a bigger creator - morally bankrupt, sells smurfs and when called out for it, either points at the others doing it or calls it "ad hominem" (lol) - the entire point this drama and "dishonesty" revolves around is whether neace was in challenger or not? Perhaps also how he reacted to the allegations? It is not about the quality of his coaching or anything relevant, just about if his claims are true or not, like wtf.
What I got from the video: 1. He bullied people who paid for his coaching service, his whole brand is built on bullying people 2. He lied about making Challenger 3. He tried but failed to climb in Korea, throughout the process he called Korean gamers rodents, told people to die or that he should beat them up, and insisted on not being racist. It follows that his divorce was well-deserved karma. Even his wife realized “Yeah this guy is too toxic.”
backsitting gaming while not teaching any real mecanic of the game is far from being helpful. Just telling "do this, do that" never helped anyone if they don't understand why. And if they don't do it by themselves, it's because they didn't understand / know about this, and instead of giving deep explanations, nothing happens. Like it was shown in the video, most people coached don't ever improve after the coach. That's a pretty explicit exemple of being a bad coach. Same goes for real life - you can't blame students for not succeeding when the teacher is bad. You can blame them if they don't put in the work to progress, but that's the role of the teacher to *teach* how to study what he is teaching as well.
All of Neace's coaching was free. The VODs were uploaded to youtube. People paid $300 to get yelled at by a streamer and be the center of attention. I feel like I can safely confirm that Neace was challenger in the early days of LoL. I watched him before and after he joined the army and I remember when he swapped to Fortnite. I can't speak on his rank after that
@@Yasukeh I could swear I remember him streaming challenger games fairly early on. Maybe he was just high elo during the old system. Regardless, I wouldnt classify him as unqualified to coach low elo players
@@asmodeus4207 He can coach low elo players even if he was bronze, the problem is that he's falsely advertising himself as something he's not. His entire branding was about being a multi role, multi season NA challenger, despite never hitting it once.
Not LS projecting so hard in the clip around 1:24:00. I mean lets be real LS gives most people the heebie geebies and is KNOWN for being a total weirdo. The irony.
Lol thats funny that his parents want him to go to college but then stress about cosigns.. like duhhh college is a scam how did you not know your kid was gonna go thousands in debt
As someone who plans to start ranking soon and will likely drop straight to Iron as soon as I do, I still appreciate watching Neace's free TH-cam videos. Whether or not he ever actually made Challenger he is still so far above my skill level that I can only improve by watching him.
32:00 Remember LS is someone who literally lived on the street, gambling to have money for his next meal, in a country whose native language he didn't understand, surrounded by people who absolutely despised his existence. What Neace sees as "flaunting moral superiority" is basic compassion to LS.
You don't have an obligation to do anything about it even though it may be immoral to take their money if you know they will die of starvation or whatever. The real, critical arguments here was not about financial responsibility but more about false advertisement and financial fraud
The drive by shit on Neace is dumb. When you coach bronze shitters the demand is much higher so you can charge higher prices. It just sounds like a bunch of salty pros that are mad someone is making so much money with a coaching business. Not everyone needs to a pro to coach. I've been watching Neace for many years and his content is helpful for low elo. It's very basic shit. Everyone can benefit from a coach and not all coaches need to be challenger.
I have never bought a session to Neace but I did find his videos entertaining and slightly educational. I didn't go too deep into them cause I was using them as background noise and mainly entertainment. It's sad that a player and a person can be better but doesn't. If he was just honest I think he would have made less money but he would have a better name for himself.
To be fair, most of the people who pay for his coaching know it's overpriced and won't help them improve in a serious way.. Let's get real. They're doing it in the hopes of getting praised by him on stream and having the session be on TH-cam as a video titled "Best Silver Player I've Seen...?"
@@DrClownPhD yeah if you watch a few of those videos, these people are fishing for compliments rather than trying to get constructive critique. And Neace is very aware of this, based on the content he puts out and the way he markets his brand.
@@hazmat1 Yeah, but your video is really entertaining because of evidence and work you put into this video, so anyone with normal attention span that is not ruined by tiktok should watch this easily. Great content and keep uploading!
Neace can do whatever he wants but that doesn’t mean it’s okay. If I were a D3 tennis player in college looking to coach players, but I advertised myself as a Wimbledon qualifier and Olympian medal winner, would I attract more clients? Yes. And that’s 100% unethical because I actually did none of those things. It’s actually funny because I’ve seen videos of Ap0calypse coaching, and he actually yelled less than Neace..
In Neace's defense, any industry where you're responsible for your own time treats deposits the same way. Go to a tattoo shop and drop a deposit for a tattoo and don't show up for your appointment. Tell me how it goes when you ask for your deposit back.
That and his price. If a tattoo artist of charging 100 an hour and booked out a year. He’ll bump to 150. Still a year? 200. Wow still booked out a year after doubling my prices? It seems like most people are just really upset about his challenger claim then I get that but literally everything else people have to shit on him for is like shitting on anyone else for being self employed who values their time
This is good. There is no doubt, Neace is/was a good player and his takes make mostly sense. His game knowledge is extremally useful for players below Masters probably. His coaching is quite unique but I am not going to lie, I learned a lot. As for his prices, I think people were actually jealous of him and were virtue signaling. Market prices itself, that's actually true. You can't be responsible for other people and double check or ask if they really can afford your price. If they go to shop and buy something they can't afford, it's not shopkeeper's responsibility to control adult human being. Who problem was with Neace faking/lying about things, being sociopath and not being able to either admit some flaws or ignore those accusations. That was his downfall. Yeah, any person that puts other value on how much he is making/has in the wallet is not going to be my friend or someone I respect, I believe that was something what Neace was projecting as he could be at one point in life where someone judged him based on this premise and he took that to himself, further using it as deciding factor when valuing other people. It's pretty poetic how these flaws become a person's downfall. As for Neace's tactics such as faking/lying about credentials, thinking about undermining others or writing anon posts from low post accounts, I believe I had this kind of ideas as 15 years old while playing 18 years old guy (I had many issues and didn't grow up as person, I was quite manipulative and used internet to validate myself because I also thought that in order to be respected, I need to lie about not being underaged or having more experience/achievements that I had in my life). The idea that grown up guy, ex soldier was doing it is sad.
He lacks morals like a sociopath, but its actually narcissistic personality disorder. Started watching him in 2018 and within days, I saw allllll the traits. I had a buddy just like him. Also a former soldier. He was hardly human, but extremely good at ripping people off selling shit and being arrogant, entitled, jealous, bossy, controlling. He and Neace are like twins. Tons of male Narc TH-camrs like him. I discover at least 1-2 a year watching ordinary videos on random things. They are dangerous. 100% His wife was a victim of abuse.
Lmaoo, Im masters 50 LP peak. I have played in a few Challenger games when i duo'd with my friend in D1 at the beginning of the season. I have screenshots of me absolutely shitting on a HIGH challenger player TWO GAMES IN A ROW. But im not gonna argue that makes me a challenger lmao. Im a masters peaker that quit cuz of the decay system.
legitimately jus folks mad he monetized his content in a way they wish he had, then a bunch of 1 tricks hyper analyze his coaching videos and critique that he’s giving foundational tips that apply to high tier play overall instead of hyper specific 1 trick tips that only the top 1% of players use and saying it’s bad advice. the negativity people put at him just showed that which any player has seen if in any league discord and that’s the fuckin hyper inflated ego high elo players have, the amount of times i would be in vc w high elo players and make a simple statement of something to do they would shit on me bc i wasn’t masters and up, then rattle off some super complex strategy that has like extreme circumstance where it actually works as intended, when overall the simplistic strategy would work more often then not. this seems to be the case bc the overall sentiment of high elo players and its y i hate the culture and play style league promotes is to hard carry games, the only ways to play is to play a champ that can snowball and 1v9 (so obviously that means the most meta and broken champ bc inevitably they tune the champ and nerd it bc it’s OP) it’s the reason so many of those high elo players never actually make the jump to LCS bc while they know how to succeed individually they flop when a coordinated team that works together synergizes and doesn’t rely on 1 win con jungler or mid laner to hard carry
Stopped watching at the parts with the refunds, because at that point it became abundantly clear that you just have a hate boner and want to dunk on him. Not refunding money for people not showing up for scheduled appointments is standard for basically every business in existence, you trying to dunk on that for minutes shows your inherent bias. Not worth the watch.
Also, using tarzaned of all people as some kind of character witness is beyond hilarious and possibly the worst choice if you want to be taken seriously.
I agure that this tarzaned-neace drama can be petty, but that was just the bread of the butter. The real criticism comes around at 38:28 mark @@pellaeon2536
Wait wait wait - 2:52: Are you telling me League of Legends is in such a deplorable state that you can LEGALLY advertize the fact that you want to sell (smurf) accounts? And Riot isn't doing anything about it? Haha, classic League L
I used to be a regular Neace viewer until I just could not stomach how *disgusting* he was to the people paying £300 to him. It made me genuinely nauseous, and I had to click off every single one of his videos because I was that uncomfortable. What goes around come around, bud.
3 minutes into a negative documentary of a LoL coach you reveal that you’re sponsored by a fucking SMURF ACCOUNT MILL Unserious. I can’t believe I clicked on this video after seeing it for so long
I stopped watching neace before all the accusations against him. He just had such terrible mental. I don't like to watch people rage gaming. Overall buzz kill
i think if he stayed in his own lane and just ignored everyone, no one one would really care after awhile. like its such a major point he claimed he was challenger, really all he had to do was say he was master/grandmaster and he wasn't the end-all, endgame boss for coaching. pricing was never an issue for me. like its high due to demand, and if people desperately wanted coaching, there are plenty of other options. it was really his ego, lies, and attacks that kept focus on him.
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Imagine calling Neace dishonest (which he literally IS), while advertising SMURF ACCOUNTS MADE BY BOTS in the video LMAO. The audacity.
L take
I'm half way through and haven't really gotten the dishonest part. Unless it's just that he probably faked challenger. Who cares
@@alext5497 yeah, it's pretty much two things: calling himself challenger as fake ad and charging people the money without giving them the lesson properly
@NekronSX thr money thing is nothing
Niece is correct, assuming his schedule is full like he claims. I'd argue he should charge even more.
But what do I know, I just own a business
@@alext5497 The money thing is nothing? It's $350 a pop for very substandard coaching. Down the chutes the money goes for a colossal waste of time. No meaningful improvement to most of the coached clients elo-wise as evidenced by their opggs. No, he should charge less, far less until the results prove otherwise.
as an iron player i really appreciate you advertising selling smurfs, that way i can practice with people that have literally no reason to be in my elo other than feeding their really unstable self worth 👍👍
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(guys relax, I'm not actually thinking that the games I lose are because of smurfs, nor do I encounter many/any; I just thought the concept of selling smurfs while talking about bad business practices was a bit funny)
for real. can't take this whole video seriously because of that
you said it bo same here, way to void a whole vid with one sentence
ye I don't think smurf accounts end up in iron without someone inting 100 game on em first lmao
yep dude seems like a real piece of work. questions the efficacy of neace's business yet openly advertises a service that ruins the game.
ok neace
I don’t play LoL but do smurfs mean something different in this game? I can’t imaging someone calling someone else unethical/dishonest then proceeds to sell Smurf accounts. That is absolutely insane to me.
well Smurf are just lower ranking accounts then your
"main account" league doesn't have rule on them at all
yeah its a whole pot calling the kettle black situation. The no life league community hates Neece bc he lied about an rank in a video to make money which literally anyone would do. not to mention him not being challenger is meaningless bc bro coaches iron and bronze players. From a purely objective persepective Neece did nothing out of the ordinary, but to ego no lives saying youre challenger when u arent is like a genuine sin.
smurf is when someone really good plays on a really bad elo account and dumpsters everyone
@@Fitzness1its just odd in a game that has a ladder and everything is easily verifiable to lie as a public figure and double, triple, quadruple down. And charging people as a coach when youre lying about your rank would be like some dad claiming to have been in the MLB but really he was the bat boy, coaching and simultaneously pretending he was an MLB level player
@@lemonscentedgames3641 thats a valid point. my main point tho is that yes hes lying, but if people rly cared they would stop buying. is it scummy sure, so stop paying for it. its the same for these idiot consumers who spend money on shit products and shitty games every year and then complain about it. dont hate the business man hate the customers.
Calling someone fake while openly breaking ToS and selling smurf accounts. The hypocrisy! Why anyone would ever pay for coaching or buy an account is beyond me.
What's hypocritic about it?
@@hazmat1 Dude you're making a video about scummy behavior while openly selling illegal smurf accounts. You are both contributing to making the game worse. The lack of self awareness. Unreal.
Being against Riot ToS doesn't make it illegal. @@Mordikay211
@@hazmat1 The Dishonest Downfall of Hazmat
Buying a lvl 30 account for $5 instead of spending many hours lvling an account yourself is worth it to some people. Also most bots play AI games so not really sure you're using the word hypocrisy correctly. @hazmat1 am i missing something here?
Advertising for Smurfs is so cringe
Honestly like bro why
Almost made me quit the video
Immediate -100 social credit
No one cares.
Why? Iron to dia is so mixed and inflated nowadays that it doesn't matter.
shilling smurfs that ruin the game while talking down on someone else ruins your validity 100%. you cant get mad at someone for being dishonest when you do the same things
Selling league accounts isn't dishonest when you don't personally care about it. It's subjective moralism
@@hazmat1 not true at all not even close! smurfing is 100% bad for the game idk why u could even argue that
@@hazmat1 yeah your the reason the game becomes trash and filled with smurfs
Video starts with an AD for smurf accounts. What a moment to watch a video criticizing someone and at the same time being supported by companies that sell smurf accounts
this is a semi-docu not a critical review.
@@hazmat1stop advertising buying smurf accounts
@@hazmat1it’s an incredibly critical review. i don’t care for neace but having watched this video, it’s clear that neace is supposed to be seen as the toxic scammer taking advantage of people who probably shouldn’t spend $350 on coaching
@@hazmat1i didn’t care about the ad. no idea why people are shitting themselves over it
@@hazmat1 u see the irony of this reply?
tyler1 had a solid take. i remember being trash at csgo but thinking i needed a coach. just watching myself play and watching others improved me drastically.
beyond me that people genuinely want to improve at playing games
i'm sure you can make a connection@@volkan2097
@@volkan2097 I think wanting to improve in something that you have a passion for is the most normal thing ever, especially if it is in a competitive setting. Even if you never get anything in return for it. And you can apply that logic to any hobby there is. Most brains are simply hardwired to become better and it's easier to get better at something you like.
@@viktorkrasowski3623 there are things you do at a certain age
Everyone whos main hobby is gaming past the age of 30 is a loser
@@viktorkrasowski3623 I think he meant that there are more useful thing in life to improve.
I dont even play league of legends and I think it's absolutely brain dead to take on a smurf sponsor in a video about dishonestly in league. I mean the lack of awareness here is absolutely remarkable, honestly mind boggling
"show me support by buying a smurf with my link" aaaaaaand I ain't watching it, all it took was that sentence.
Who asked?
@@ratibena8297 Wow you really cared, I'm honored. It's been 2 months since I wrote that and now you reply, you must really think I'm cool. Maybe at some point in life you'll grow up and lose all of that edgelord attitude and you can be cool just like me.
I'm not reading all of that bro 💀
@@Scaleo3 nothing wrong with buying a smurf account mate. Some people that wanna smurf cba to grind a fresh account.
Yet you think you have the moral highground.....lmao, smurfs aren't illegal you utter melt.
@@ratibena8297 must be tough to read, huh? it's ok.. for $300 I ca.. oh, wait...
He is dishonest
"Go ahead and buy smurf accounts to beat up new players" lmaoooooo bruh wild.
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These smurf accounts are typically not actually smurf accounts, but just fresh ones. There is almost an entirely separate que for gold+ players with insanely high winrates. Yes occasionally you see a person buy an iron or bronze account, but it is extremely rare, and the people that buy them typically are pretty average players.
thank you for advertising smurfs, getting friends into league was honestly too easy with all the already existing smurfs stomping them every single game, finally it can be a bit more challenging
surely you can carry and coach them, no?
or are you just venting about how you're personally stuck silver and blame it all on everyone smurfing in every single game even though I would need to physically try to int to be stuck there
@@poppetx I just had a friend bounce off league for this. I'm only plat, I tried to coach his fundamentals and stuff, but he didn't have a gaming background and so at the same time he was learning league, he was learning how to even use a mouse and keyboard. Looking down to find his buttons and shit. Hit 30, placed iron 3, and gave up after maybe 10 more games.
Smurfs are a huge problem for new players. Sad to see
@@poppetxthat's not his point though, any new player in league will not enjoy playing the game because they get stomped 3/4 games by smurfs, especially the first levels, its impossible to get someone to try league and not have them get stomped 20x times before they can even queue ranked, wether they get carried or not, they aren't having a good time, and alot of early lol games is mostly just trying to figure what your champ and what other champs can do, which can't be coached
@@poppetx You just invented a rank for this person and patronized them for being in it, totally unprovoked, on a random youtube video. Least unhinged league enjoyer btw. For real tho, no one cares what your rank is buddy, but that attitude could get on some peoples nerves so maybe work on yourself instead of your cs/min next time
Tyler1 has played League so addictively, that he remembers practically every player and username he has come across in his multiple challenger climbs (so he can blame them for his losses and losers queues later of course.) The fact that he has no clue who NEACE is, is due to the fact that NEACE has never been at Tyler1's elo.
Bro, I have never even played with NEACE... Most of his accounts are near D2-D4. He's not a "Challenger player" like he branded. He just knew that branding as a less than Challenger coach would affect his client acquisition.
@@jacobmorris3295 I know a Jacob Morris. Do you live in Ohio?
@@jacobmorris3295 I mean he actually was challenger in LAN so the challenger thing is true and he even made it to korean masters this year too. He is pretty good
He explicitly claimed multi role, multi season NA challenger, and also claimed that he never bragged about LAN challenger. @@lindus9201
@@lindus9201 neace alt?
Supports the selling of smurf accounts while simultaneously calling out someone for shady business practices. Zero integrity found here.
youtubers love to hold everyone but themselves accountable, don't they?
I watched a lot of Neace videos. Because of them, I was able to get out of Bronze for the first time after 8 years of playing League. And then I finally reached gold and started having more fun with the game.
You can say what you will about him, but he made it easy for me to understand and apply concepts. And I, for one, am thankful for his content.
i hope you are joking
it's okay.. we know its hard to admit you have been taken for a ride, but it is over now.
same brother, all the ADD challenger guys don't ever speak to the basics. He helped me with the meta game and map control, and understanding the concept of always staying busy.
Hey man I’m a challenger adc and I’ll do it for half off 😂
@@williedobbs6908 I don't have the skills man, I'm a garden player I think neace was my ceeling I don't hand eye coordination
neace: complains about being target hated
also neace: creates literal burner accounts to target hate other creators or anyone who disagrees with him and praise himself
🙂
he even said he sold his account to a chinese dude. riot could just ban him and every acc he streams with and flag his content for promoting account-trading xD
@@ShadowfoxAut that shit also makes no sense, if you only make challenger as proof of concept you keep the account to have a shorter climb the next season
typical narcissistic delusional fake it til u make it vibes, 90% of popular people in the media and online fall into this category of dumb full of shit idiots who soak up their own bs they actually start to believe it, literally no self awareness, respect or morals just bottom feeding snake scum who will do anything for a buck or clout
not really, since riot knows that all streamers use smurfs, which is by design account trading too. And they let it happen.@@ShadowfoxAut
@Donabe7-im5cs lots of Chinese people move to America for a short stint ie university or work. So your argument makes sense to some extent but for people who doesn't live in their parents basement and have IRL success don't have time to grind to lvl30 with bots and newbie. So they need their fix of gaming addiction. Buying accounts is the way to do it.
I don't condone the practice or giving in to the addiction, but people with money tends to do what they want and get away with it.
I think he could have easily avoided most of the hate from the community by not being an arrogant piece of shit in his responses, honestly. People would have lost interest and he could've continued doing whatever
I also think Neace would have likely come out on top of all this drama if he wasn't so unlikable.
@@asokta Unlikeable how? So much jealousy going on it's sad
@@Digger-Nick I do love a coach that can short-circuit at a client at any moment for not listening to your calls. That's like getting yelled at during your work.
@@ruily276 How? Your boss is telling you exactly what to do and how to do it, you refuse to follow instructions and then get mad at them?
NIce logic
@@Digger-Nick More like your boss whispered a command to you from the 21st floor of the company building while you were working on the 5th floor and got mad at you for not following his commands. But go off surely neace will notice you... unless you are neace? Wouldn't surprise me at this point.
Sponsored by a website that sells smurfs ?
Man I'm no fan of Neace but that's a pretty shity sponsor to have for League content wtf...
Not a sponsor, but an affiliate.
Besides, account sellers is pretty rampant within the community
@@hazmat1dude youre using the same “common practice” argument that neace does in this video lol
Smurf advertisements? Cringe.
idk, for me personally,
here are the facts:
He got challenger in LAN
he was datamined in NA, and got to GM and was around 40 lp away from challenger playing TWISTED FATE while being in a weak state
he got masters in Korea recently.
He was one of the only players along with trick2g who taught low elo people league while every other streamer (funny enough, most the people flaming Neace such as LS, I Will Dominate, Tarzaned fall under this category) were extremely elitist and barely made ANY free content or paid content for the average joe while roasting them at any given point.
I personally think Neace is qualified to coach diamond and below players....
and the price, I think it's justified considering he has THE MOST FREE CONTENT for low elo coaching out of anyone i know (100s if not 1000s of FREE videos) and he was doing it before anyone else wanted to do it. I would say just watch his free shit, and don't be mad at him, be mad at the idiots paying 100s of dollars for content they can learn for free on HIS channel.
I got to masters+ learning from Neace and Trick2g and honestly i remember how nasty everyone in "high elo" attitude was for these players through out the years, calling them dog shit and bad at the game etc etc. But Neace video on mental apm, his lightning fast commentary, as well as trick2gs bronze sub wars, and My Way video series, really upped my game, to the point where even diamond and masters players feel like a dog walk.
The fact you compare these 2 is insane, quantity doesnt equal quality and just cause its allowed doesnt make it morally right 😂
If he helped the average joe during a time where no one else wanted to. And became the top number 1 coach, wouldnt you say hes earned the right to charge the highest price as opposed to anyone else? Its literally bad business otherwise. The man was being booked out the ass, and you want him to not increase the prices why? Because its not a price YOU agree with? Dont be such a child, this is simple business. You dont need to pay to get value from neace, most of his content is free so your argument is mute... @@nothingisitchingme5874
@@jsingh98 He coached for years, and didn't pop off until he started advertising with faked credentials. As soon as it was revealed he lied about challenger, he stopped getting coaching bookings, going from 3 a day to 1 a week at best.
the tldr is: He photoshopped a challenger screenshot, then refused to admit it. That's it. The end.
Well he advertised being a multi-role Challenger Coach then proceeded to absolutely rip off iron - gold level players which he could've VERY easily offset/outsourced, which is THE business move to take if you "suffer from success" like he did.
Amongst that he is a lolcow. That's it.
@@hiiambarney4489 he was outsourcing. he had partnered with many other high elo players that did coaches. He advertised them frequently and even tried getting people to be coached by them, even showing them off in some videos by having them coach him and yet he was still overbooked.
Can't believe Yasukeh put so much time and effort in to make this vid, what a chad.
Bro said th-cam.com/video/x3Z55yd_frQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=RiBFjJCdoTjCt_fo
Neace has a ton of free content that really helped me improve at the game a lot, I can't really knock his coaching, Cause the skepticism I had was like. "oh yeah? I bet he can't do it in a live game" and he did most of his coaching in a live game. Even if the client didn't win that particular game, I still feel like I always got a good lesson out of it, Or an idea to think about. I guess some people felt like they really wanted to take that extra step to get better, And paid for coaching. I don't see it from being any different than being a personal trainer or paying for piano lessons. While I didn't always agree with his wannabe gordon ramsey attitude. I also understood the reasoning behind being abrasive to paying customers and trying to hold them accountable, And lets be honest. The content wouldn't have been as successful if he wasn't like that . I watched a lot of coaching videos and guides before neace and I feel like those didn't quite click with me like neaces approach did.
true. Before his live coaching became the main source of his content, i remember watching him back in like 2016/2017 (the first korea trip i think?). There was some really good content coming from him even back then, especially considering the major league youtubers were putting out 10 min edited highlighted vids of a single game (qtpie, anniebot, dyrus, nightblue, etc).
For example he made a few videos which he titled "lightning fast commentaries", which were essentially just a live gameplay where he'd vocalize all the gameplay thoughts as they happened. This isn't a revolutionary idea, but no one else did it, and to be fair it was really useful as far as coaching content went. Additionally all these videos were free.
I can think of a few more examples (he played around with eye-tracking software). All this just shows his willingness to experiment with ideas for educational content.
I don't really care too much about the drama, anyone with half a brain should be able to see through/navigate the bullshit on their own. As far as educational content creators go in the league scene, he definitely has always been up there/at the top (and it's always been on youtube for free).
One big problem about people I see critcizing him is that his coaching videos are mostly basics. But a lot fail to understand that the clients in those videos are mostly silver and below.
If we put it in real life scenario, if Neace is a head chef training a 1st year student from cullinary school, he would be teaching them how to do the meat temperatures properly and repeatedly until it becomes second nature.
Now, here comes the food critics saying, "Huh, a head chef who only teach how to fry meat? Even my mother knows how to fry meat."
If I were to coach someone, I would install the basics first. Once you master the basics, that's when wave management, different strategies, timing, and other advanced stuff goes. Even if you teach a newbie the cheater recall, they would still get behind because they cannot consistently track jungler and poor warding dying from the most obvious ganks.
I hope anyone get my point.
I like that the Jaymo arc really brought neace and tarzaned together. That was the best league content there ever was
Faked or not his vids got me from silver to diamond.
Ya NEACE is super helpful
this.
i went from gold to diamond 1, implementing advice from his coaching vids
Yeah, just the fact that people want to drag him down shows the toxicity of the community. Results from his advice/coaching speaks more.
@@Alexander-zm9jd Nah its the right thing to do, there is no place for someone as toxic as neace in the community. There are way better coaches, that are way more friendly and better at coaching overall, for a way cheaper price.
I can't believe people are really this assmad about a guy who does coaching for a video game. It's actually unreal lmfao
I never understood people paying for the coaching "let me spend 350$ to get yelled at on a dying youtube channel."
300$ for private coaching, 200$ for live coaching. You learn way faster and better if your coach is talking in a military way (exept if you dont truly want to learn/improve). His way of coaching is like the most efficiency way of doing it. Just what he is saying is pure bs.
Everyone learns different man. Getting barked at is probably one of the worst ways to teach people and foster student-teacher respect@@w0uffv379
literally 'you wouldnt know my girlfriend she goes to a different school' energy with these challenger claims
As much as i despise Niece, he was literally one of, if not, THE rank 1 GP back in the day. I've been around since day 1. He was unironically challenger and again, arguably the best GP in NA, if not the world. As much as i hate to admit it.... But - WAS. not is. And was, YEARS ago.
Makes a video about a fishy coach
Also advertises smurf accounts
Maaaan I mean come on. This is above and beyond just pure balls "Im here to make money" move XD
The only thing to admire here is the chutzpah.
The most important thing is not whether your rank is chall, GM, or even just master (That's just ego flexing), they're all good enough rank to provide value to low elo players. The truly MOST important component that measures your worth as a teacher is the progression of your students.
If a person is a challenger player that doesn't make him a good coach it only gets him a good start, if his students make zero progress after his coaching tips then he's a bad coach. If a person is a master player and coaches students to 1-2 or more ranks above where they currently are, then that master player is a WAY better coach than the challenger player and deserves more credit for it.
Edit: i want to iterate in an edit now before the main comment that bias isnt necessarily bad. It's actually good that youre coming to conclusions and stating what you think. My issue is that the mistakes in the video, some of which i highlight below, are either the consequence of incompetence or your bias overriding good sense. Either one of these is unacceptable when you're attempting to release a video that can have tangible effects. The mistakes and inconsistencies I caught are completely unacceptable in a long-form documentary style video and should have been caught, period.
This video is riddled with a lot of bias and a lot of nonsense and it's a shame to hear. Very little credit is given to Neace and this video serves more as a hitpiece rather than a documentary.
I'll note just a few of the many issues I personally have with the video.
1. You bring up the scientific method in regards to confirming challenger rank, but the scientific method is in no way related? Just a very strange turn of phrase used to degrade "testimonial evidence". Sure, testimonial evidence may seem unscientific, but in a court of law where people are judged by their peers, anecdotal and eyewitness testimony is the most valued form of evidence. This is not a scientific dispute and the scientific method shouldn't be used to characterize the value of the evidence brought forward.
2. You've mentioned Yasukeh's criticisms of Neace's coaching but fail to account for the context in which that occurred. Yasukeh view farmed by reviewing tiktoks of the coaching sessions. There's really nothing else to be said here, any analysis given under the context isnt useful. The fact that this isn't mentioned is an issue. Other critiques mentioned in the video are highly justified and valuable, and Neace absolutely should be held to the fire for live game coaching practices, but nevertheless you need to communicate the value of Yasukeh's commentary based on context. Incredible that earlier you brought up the scientific method in light of your utter failure here.
3. Furthermore, the claims of paid actors made by Yasukeh are incredibly cringe. Just because accounts that featured on the paid coaching aren't active doesn't mean they were paid actors. Again, you bring up the value of the scientific method but fail to mention how the evidence provided doesn't demonstrate the veracity of the claim made. Genuinely incredible.
There are a number of other issues with the video that frankly I've forgotten because theres just so much volume of fuckery.
Neace deserves to be held to the fire for a lot, especially his coaching practices and the claims of his "multi-role" challenger experience because I can say just from my years of playing in those elos, that's a bald faced lie. This man only ever got to high elo in NA with TF and Tryndie practically. But still, you obviously need to review your methodology for your videos going forward, it boggles my mind the ineptitude.
noone's reading thsi bud
@@lucaxtshotting2378 Maybe!
I read this post bud
@@dango2917 crazy
@@lucaxtshotting2378I mean, if you have a normal attention span, you absolutely do read all of this.
lost it at "no she didn't she fucking died after your coaching, she couldn't afford food"
She is in our thoughts
bro shit had me weak. best part handsdown lol
Deserved, if willing to pay $300 for a coaching session in a garbage *FREE to play* game and an even more garbage fraud "coach" like Neace.
What do you mean he's dishonest? Didn't you saw his challenger backpack???? Do you have a backpack? Don't think so. 😎
edit:wtf i'm in the video lol
Ah fuck man my bad
What colour is your challenger backpack?
@@digi7420 my Bugatti is yellow
@@hazmat1 my prison cell is grey
sounds like premium treatment @@lssjvegeta7103
really well done documentary, sucks that the ad makes it less believable to some ppl, just checked neace s tweets and i was flabbergasted, what goes inside his mind to tweet these things and think "ye thats gon be good for my public image"
I just wonder...who actually gives 2 craps? I've seen his coaching videos..although I would never pay for coaching in general
he actually puts effort into his videos...if people are willing to pay for it...great for him
while others like yourself are making hour and a half videos and spending probably dozens of hours editing this to literally talk BS about him...
he spent those dozens of hours making money...
keep on wasting time...I just love the drama xD
yeah bunch of b itches
League needed this kinda long form community content, keep it up man 👍👍
I dont like the "playing in challenger games is all that matter not the rank" thing. In overwatch 1 i was a big rein and hog player and at my best i was able to hit low master but then drop after like 2 or 3 games. When people/friends ask me about my best rank i dont say "i was rank master" . I say " i was rank diamond" I like to think if i kept playing i could of get master but had a burnout bc i played the game so much for a while. Consistance is the most important thing.
humble words
@@hazmat1 thank you. I like to think being humble helped me not getting in trouble in overwatch and league. That and me not using chat often.
You should say you peaked at Master because it is a fact.
It's like hitting a PR in bench press, then never lifting that heavy again; you still did it.
Congratz on hitting Master!
If you're actively playing with and against challenger players, then you're a challenger level player.
That's all it is
You can always tell them you peaked Master, but your skill is in diamond. There's a skill ceiling, a skill floor, and then an area in between where you usually float on average when you're being consistent
I like the documentary a lot but my main issue is you have all these multi-millionaire content creators complaining that Neace defrauded people because he technically wasn't challenger albeit most likely at a challenger level which makes sense, but has any of his clients ever came out angry because instead of being challenger he was a very high grandmaster player? He has a lot of flaws, narcist, unreasonable, prone to anger and refuses to admit fault. However a lot of people criticizing feel so disingenuous in their attacks, it boils down to technicality and the consumers involved haven't really shown to come out and demand reparations to my knowledge. It's fine to just say yeah he wasn't technically challenger so he is lying technically, but from what I gather in the documentary he essentially at that skill level (not sure about recent times) for a good bit. It does come off as nitpicking and going after someone unlikable because how he responded. There was no mass of people calling him a scammer feeling betrayed he was 450lp vs 500 for that one day, so why are the content creators so hung up on it that they'd continually spend hours and hours talking about it and researching it? From someone vaguely familiar with everyone involved but not really following it too closely it just comes off as people tried to crucify him on a lie and didn't really care about people being scammed purely because they don't like the guy. It kind of seems like if I say I was a firefighter for 40 years and used that as a way of giving advice when technically I was one for 39 years and am getting crucified for lying to people about it. Like LS was obviously moral grandstanding, essentially trying to take moral high road without openly disapproving of the coaching price which is a bit cowardly. Tarzaned actually made a very good point because not giving someone their money back for a coaching session they missed when it's 350 bucks and you're a multimillionaire seems pretty scummy. Yasukeh seemed like he was kinda doing what he thought was right but also milking the situation imo. Maybe I'm just too out of the loop but I feel like this is a bit overblown and nobody really cared about the people being affected, man is free to charge what he charges if people pay they pay, he's not forcing them or pressuring them into it as far as I know so who really cares. The same streamers complaining about the pricing will accept 50 dollar donations from kids using their allowance just to say hi on stream yet take issue with someone paying for a service they believe is overpriced. I agree he shouldn't say challenger coaching but maybe challenger level coaching, just a dumb hill to die on. All in all seems like nobody gives a shit about what they say they care about and just wanted an excuse to shit on people they hate.
He claimed multi season, multi role NA challenger. Even if he hit challenger that one time, he would still be lying.
It's not like Neace owned up to his lie of never hitting challenger when called out on it, he doubled down for months and even went as far as to fake screenshots.
He was actively defrauding people by pretending his product was something it wasn't. Neace clearly thought his fake challenger credentials were pivotal to his business, which is why he defended them so hard despite definitive proof he was lying.
Neace didn't believe his business could succeed without defrauding people, as proven by his actions.
Pretty reasonable summary. This is pretty much where I stand too. Like you said, he have a lot of flaws, but it's not like he is a terrible guy like some others on the scene. He even made challenger on LAN so he was litterally not lying when he advertised as a challenger coach. But for the lynch mob everything is just black or white, no shades of grey. And like you said, no clients have come out and complained except that guy, which is not a great look considering how much money he makes. At the same time tho, other services and similar bussiness might not have accepted to give back money for same reasons. So back to that he have a lot of flaws, but at the same time he is much less of a bad guy then some people wants to make it out to be.
@@Yasukeh Well, I could see how he got frustrated that people didn't believe he made challenger and he had no easy way to prove it (he made challenger on LAN, a smaller server but still challenger, that no one denies) and decideded that fuck it, I'll just photoshop something instead since I know I made challenger anyway, just out of frustration that people didn't believe him and made it out to be such a big deal.
His advertisement of being a challenger coach on his website was literally correct, doesn't matter if it was LAN or anywhere else. He seems to have a fragile ego so that seems likely what happened. Nowhere on his coaching website did he advertise as a multirole NA challenger, that was just some twitter thing. He actually decided to not market his coaching on the website as challenger coaching anymore, since people made such a big deal out of it.
He definitely would've got a lot less hate if he didn't double down on his responses, but the lynch mob also made it out to be a bigger deal then it was.
Claiming bandwagoning or jealousy is easily the best way to know your point is completely invalid. How do you not only 1) hasty generalisation 2) ad hominem 3) presume intent (arguably) 4) poison the well and 5) make a strawman
Assuming all or most arguments are a specific thing is false. Calling people jealous is attacking the person not the argument. Assuming people are arguing in bad faith is presuming intent and attacking the person not the argument again. Poisoning the well is when you attack someone prior to a debate in an unrelated manor to make them look bad, talking about the financial status of someone is definitely unrelated. Lastly by saying your opponent(s) are making a point that they literally are not that’s a strawman
Thanks for contrubuting to the ongoing issue in league with smurf accounts. Real cool
No offense, but it speaks volumes to the credibility of your arguments if you can't even be bothered to look up the definition of a word within the first 3 minutes of your video. It makes you look like you not only have no idea what you're talking about but are still happy to speak on what you don't know.
I don't like when people get divorced and frankly it needs to be treated less lightly than it currently is; however, it's no wonder that Neace couldn't retain a marriage with what we've all seen about his personality, lying, and general actions.
Never really liked NEACE, but I did find that him screaming at silver players - and not providing any reasoning for what he was telling them in games, was a sign that he wasn't what he claimed to be. Seeing every single tweet in all caps is interesting as well.
usually when you say "but" you say something before it and something that could somewhat oppose that first thing after it.
Look:
Never really liked neace, and I find him screaming at players really fucking susca
@@lucaxtshotting2378uh thanks? Pretty sure my sentence structure makes sense *but* you go ahead and become an English teacher on youtube comments
@@BayCyst much better! Only semantically incorrect now. Also enhlish isnt my main language, *but* it applies to any
You get where im coming from though, hopefully. You say i dont even something but something to give authority to what you say. Its dishonest, not a sintactic error.
@@lucaxtshotting2378 🤡
@@BayCysthe’s right you say but when the next sentence will contrast the first
The worst people are those that try to "argue" away supply and demand. Like people that complain about the price of luxury goods. The price is always determined by the MARKET! People buy his coaching because it WORKS for them and not many others offer it. He started coaching for $20!!! There was so much demand that he could keep raising the prices. Doesn't matter if he is iron rank, his coaching is at a premium. COPE.
As someone who played league a long time ago and wasn't too shabby at it, Neace just seemed off to me the few weeks I watched him, i was watching his coaching sessions at first and questioned a lot of the decisions he was making for these people. I kept thinking maybe the meta has just changed that much and my knowledge has finally faded into oblivion, it's been a while. Then I saw him livestreaming his own gameplay and low and behold so many times that he was just straight throwing matches with horrible decision making at only platinum ranking while blaming his team for the loss the entire time and banning anybody who criticized him in chat.
And don't get me wrong, theres nothing wrong with being a platinum player. That's still something you can be proud of, it's still well above average... but it's no challenger rank like he was claiming to be.
I thought a lot of his games was in the overseas accounts. Like he had a Korean account he played on that he did a few of his videos using. To show the more difficulty in Korean gameplay than USA
@@NadaStud he was playing in Korea because he lived in Korea at the time, he was playing on the server he had the lowest latency on, not to showcase some supposed vast rift in the difficulty between the two. And while it is recognized the SEA server is generally a higher level it isn't some massive rift where barely scraping into one tier means you'll definitely be a whole tier higher on other servers. Aka hitting master on SEA doesn't mean you'd be grandmaster on any other server. I'm not saying he's bad either, he's definitely a good player just nowhere near the level he portrayed himself as.
i mean, objectively he still got masters in Korea. thats good enough to teach 90+% of the playerbase.
@@emptyspacevacuum and that objectively is and has never been the point in Neace’s case. He’s demonstrably a liar, and teetering on being a total scammer.
"played a long time ago", "wasn't too shabby", no you were fucking terrible and you have no idea what you're talking about.
Throughout the video, it really hit me that the credentials for a coach shouldn't even be about quantity, but quality. If you can prove that you coached a single player from bronze to masters in 2-3 years, that's way more trustworthy than having 1000 nameless clients. If you could prove that your clients were climbing way faster than the average player, that at least shows that you're doing something. I get that sample size and sample population is going to be an issue here, but there's at least something.
But yeah, according to this video, most of his "clients" were faked so he couldn't use this at all.
I'm more bothered by the fact that he claims he made Challenger rank with multiple accounts, but the excuse of not showing evidence is "I sold it off". It really just feels sketchy when someone claims that.
for business practises he did nothing wrong: there are always people feeling extravaganca and want a personal treatment, thus they shall pay for it.
like tyler said it: "watch vods and streams"
there is literally enough free knowledge out there, even watching challenger replays should be enough.
it boils down to the question: do i have the patience to invest into this by means of discipline, studying, literally diving into the topic myself.
or
do i want to get spoonfed
right??
"he did nothing wrong", except lying about his credentials.
imagine saying your a doctor when you just have an economics BA or something kinda the same thing he did
I'll start: I'll admit that this evidence was sufficient enough to convince me I was conned. Thankfully I never went beyond lurking and defending in shorts and videos. Now that I'm able to reflect back, I realize a lot of the speaking mannerisms I was listening to resembled an awful lot like the "narcissist" personalities described in an extensive video from a mental health channel. And I never knew about his Twitter Response videos. Watching those is such a whiplash from the persona he cultivated on his channel, it just rips the veil apart. Especially the extremely wide smile when discussing a serious topic like, "is there possibly any unethical, uncomfortable, concern over the question if the quality reflects the price?"
I also appreciate that the thumbnail, and pacing of the actual video was neither overly aggressive nor click-baity, I think the reason I avoided looking for myself at the ongoing criticism/evidence provided by those critically analyzing Neace, was because the thumbnail or intro or even history of posts went too hard, fitting in the narrative that Neace's "haters" were "obssessive".
Brings Neace back!! Honestly I’ve learned more from watching old videos of him than any other “coach” or streamer
I really loved the way he peaked in platinum 4 on korea for 3 months straight, went on a new account and "hit" challenger all of a sudden. He apparently "changed" his Tryndamere Runes to Absolut Focus Scorch which caused his massive surge on Wins. Make of it what you will
He only hit masters after creating a new account, not challenger. He also swapped his build to a Trynd build that only I was using at the time.
@@Yasukehmillions of players, this guy "only me".
I liked Neace content, whatever else he may of been, he was entertaining to watch
It’s so tone deaf to sell Smurf accounts on an exposé about a manipulative grifter.
A “ringer” is not just a substitute and is common term in American sports. You’re ringer is generally one of your best players, who use in sneaky ways to try to gain an advantage.
You can take 5 seconds to google this…. But instead decided to make up your own definition and just use that in a massive documentary you are posting online.
I am 4 minutes in and that level of “research” (I am too lazy to google it and made my own definition) really does not bode well for the accuracy of the rest of this video.
I would never pay that much for coaching, but anyone can watch his coaching sessions, roughly know what he will tell them in their session, and if they still want to get a session with him while knowing all of that then that is up to them.
Tbg like the video or what most people really said the price was never the problem cause it's the consumers rights anyways but the value of the product does not reflect the price which is a scam, it's a fraud because he never was what he claimed hence fake credentials, and lastly being an a**hole in the internet which ultimately just puts a target on your back tbh
Unless you're planing on playing full time and attempt to make a living off the game coaching is out of the question play for fun a pixel rank doesn't determine how you have fun.
Now hes living sweet off all that money lol. I cant blame the guy, he saw the chance at a hustle, and he took it.
Idk if anyone told you what Neace meant when he called himself a "ringer" for his Halo 2 team (around the 3:00 mark in your video), but a ringer isn't a substitute. A ringer is someone who is basically put in to look like a typical player but is actually a gigasmurf. Think of having a recreational football club in an amateur league, but you're also friends with Ronaldo so he joins your team. He would be your ringer.
Neace was basically saying he was an extremely good Halo 2 player and was put on the team to dominate the tournament.
I would highly recommend looking into the bootcamp. That was by far the worst thing that he did. Try to get in contact with Oorix, Cygnus, SG Hidden, Mr. Kalish, or any of the old members of that bootcamp. There were so many awful management, unpaid labor, and weird drama happening in the 2nd bootcamp.
Interesting, I will have a look
I paid for the first one, and it was pretty shit. "Go auto minions as soraka in mid" - fucking really xDDD
@@PantheonContent lol i remember he made a video about that. saying if you can cs with soraka you can cs with anyone.
@@PantheonContent I think his content was directed to real beginners. I was thinking about signing up to the bootcamp as well, but I didnt have enough time back then. However I think if you are bronze he is really helpful. But he couldnt climb out of platinum in Jungle in Korea. He wasnt up to date with the meta and had to accept that Diamond/Masters on the shitty NA server means nothing compared with Korea/EUW. So I highly doubt that he had any real helpful stuff for people who were trying to get very good at the game. imo If you want to get from Plat to Diamond or from Diamond to Masters or Masters to Challenger the only thing that will really help you is 1o1 coaching. If You are at least Emerald you know wave management, last hitting, gank/clear timers. At least in theory. You know all the skillcapped videos on YT already, they are not helpful anymore. You need somone who tells you where you individually messed up. Another Strategy I am copying atm is watching streamers and just play how they would play. Everytime I must make a decision as a Jungler, I ask myself, what would Agurin do (most likely). I am D2 on EUW with 75% WR out of last 20 Games. I guess I am trying to say: Anyone can teach noobs, some better than others, bootcamps that force you to commit and tryhard will help for sure. Teaching experienced players is a way different story. Its very rare that people can teach above their own skill level.
@@PantheonContent You paid for a basic training league of legends program, not sure what you expected outside of basic exercises to work on the fundamentals.
Literally 3 minutes in ur advertising selling smurfs that I would argue hurt low elo players than anything u claim neace is doing, bad taste dude
Neace has also advertised buying smurfs several times in the past.
@@Yasukeh I never said he didn’t but it’s still just bad taste and honestly flat out dumb to put in video calling out scummy behavior. And it’s not mentioned in the video, nothing in the video is as bad as selling smurfs in my opinion.
@@themangofour6667 You said that hazmat advertising smurfs is worse than *anything* neace does.
Neace helped sell smurfs in addition to breaking that actual law, not just some video game ToS which is unenforceable.
Selling smurfs makes some low elo players not have fair games. Neace is falsely advertising in order to fraudulently take other peoples money they wouldn't have given if he wasn't breaking the law.
Trying to flex that you're chill about some beef, or that you're somehow better than someone by pretending to have just woken up, and making a video still in bed ironically tells me that you check social media for other's opinions about you before literally getting out of bed. xD
But forreal though when I first saw his channel I had two takeaways: 1, he doesn't actually coach. He just screams angrily on what to do (not why or how). 2, he was oddly rude and egotistical.
One last thing: It's really silly to me that Neace and others are using the supply/demand argument to make it seem like Neace had no choice but to charge high prices. In reality he could've set up a calendar where clients could book slots and the limited slots would keep demand lower by force.
I mean seriously though, echoing what Tyler said... People are just mad about the prices but clearly, there are plenty ready to pay that kind of money, don't blame Neace, blame the idiots buying the coaching. Same principle with OnlyFans, there is more free NSFW content on the internet then you could ever watch in a lifetime and yet you have thousands of bozos paying 5-100$ a month to see ONE girl... don't blame the girl, blame the idiots. Neace identified a high value underserved market, made hella cash off of it and is better off than all the haters. He's got the last laugh
I was a neace enjoyer, not a paying customer but I enjoyed his videos since I mained top once upon a time.
He removed his goodbye video and it always rubbed me the wrong way how he treated clients (many of them were room temp iq I probably woulda lost it too tbf)
This video chronically everything really changed my perspective. Particularly the Ninja drama and his wife’s follow up. It’s clear he was deeply jealous of ninja and felt it should have been him. He expected handouts and recognition, and never gave any to his paying customers.
The constant game changes and returns to league really solidified his “I’m just here for the money” ness in my mind.
Anyway this is really long, loved the video good stuff
Wow that was a lot to take in. Shocking really as Neace actually helped me with his coaching VODs back in s6 when I was getting back into the game after a 3 season break. Never paid for a coaching session but reached low diamond just by applying some simple things he discussed back then. I also never would've watched Tarzaned if it wasn't for Neace mentioning him several times during jungle coaching vods, this was when Tarzaned was an up and comming who just started his yt/twitch channels. I don't play league anymore but imagine the skill level of the average player and especially those at the top has increased overtime so it seems like a clusterfuck of Neace ego getting too big and not being able to keep up with the gradual skill increase of the community. I don't remember him claiming to be anything else but Master back then. EDIT: $350 for coaching seems like a fucking joke jesus christ
I watched Neece video as well... never bought coaching though....🙄
Yeah I watched back around then but after I watched him stream I couldn't watch him again, he was playing in around plat/diamond and he was struggling and blaming his team the very thing his coaching protests complete hypocrite
League is pmuch the only "sport" where you assume coaches should be top tier players themselves. So neace not being challenger is peripheral to me at best. The question is more if his coaching was worth the price or not.
His coaching is decent if you're below diamond, but definitely not worth $300+ lol
I mean, realistically any gold+ player can give you those pointers if they watch enough high elo players. Look at minimap, ward more, point you at camps/farm you're not seeing, keeping an eye out for you and tracking enemy movement, items, backs, etc. Throw in basic concepts like wave freezing and cheater recalls, runes and match ups and BOOM, you're a challenger coach. 90% of the work is the player you're coaching and getting out of ELO hell
The part about him claiming to be challenger cuz he was in challenger games made me lol. D1s aren't uncommon in challenger games in dead late hours.
That's true today, but not so much back in previous seasons. They mainly changed things due to 30+ minute queue times for challenger players.
There was this one day I ended up meeting a Grandmaster player in discord (I forgot the full username but I saw him hitting challenger later too). Great guy, was cool enough to party up to play a normal game with me and teach me the basics. I had been playing for only two weeks back then, and game was filled up with high Dia/Master/GM players. So yeah I was in high elo too just after a couple of weeks. Da heck are you doin LCS now throw that contract and bag of cash to this next Faker
To be fair, the reason he screams at the people who buy his coachings is because it's very bootcampey. He isn't there to coddle you or be your friend. He was in the military and as someone who also did a few years in the army, thats just how people talk.
Yeah that's part of the appeal, there's actually one video with someone who didn't realize Neace's style where he realizes about halfway through that the guy has no idea who he is and completely shifts dynamic LMAO
So the picture this paints of the author of the video is:
- tries to make money off of drama around a bigger creator
- morally bankrupt, sells smurfs and when called out for it, either points at the others doing it or calls it "ad hominem" (lol)
- the entire point this drama and "dishonesty" revolves around is whether neace was in challenger or not? Perhaps also how he reacted to the allegations? It is not about the quality of his coaching or anything relevant, just about if his claims are true or not, like wtf.
Milking Content from Neace, Shaming him,
and at the same time selling Smurf accounts.
Delusional comment, did you watch the video?
What I got from the video:
1. He bullied people who paid for his coaching service, his whole brand is built on bullying people
2. He lied about making Challenger
3. He tried but failed to climb in Korea, throughout the process he called Korean gamers rodents, told people to die or that he should beat them up, and insisted on not being racist.
It follows that his divorce was well-deserved karma. Even his wife realized “Yeah this guy is too toxic.”
Classy bringing up the wife. Hope karma doesn't come for you.
this video is essentially "dont buy coaching, buy accounts"
well that saved one hour and half thanks!
He seems like a good coach actually. He's on point in most of his videos and quite helpful.
backsitting gaming while not teaching any real mecanic of the game is far from being helpful. Just telling "do this, do that" never helped anyone if they don't understand why. And if they don't do it by themselves, it's because they didn't understand / know about this, and instead of giving deep explanations, nothing happens. Like it was shown in the video, most people coached don't ever improve after the coach. That's a pretty explicit exemple of being a bad coach. Same goes for real life - you can't blame students for not succeeding when the teacher is bad. You can blame them if they don't put in the work to progress, but that's the role of the teacher to *teach* how to study what he is teaching as well.
All of Neace's coaching was free. The VODs were uploaded to youtube. People paid $300 to get yelled at by a streamer and be the center of attention. I feel like I can safely confirm that Neace was challenger in the early days of LoL. I watched him before and after he joined the army and I remember when he swapped to Fortnite. I can't speak on his rank after that
Neace himself at the time said he didn't hit challenger on NA before swapping to fortnite. It was only that single time on LAN in S7.
@@Yasukeh I could swear I remember him streaming challenger games fairly early on. Maybe he was just high elo during the old system. Regardless, I wouldnt classify him as unqualified to coach low elo players
@@asmodeus4207 He can coach low elo players even if he was bronze, the problem is that he's falsely advertising himself as something he's not. His entire branding was about being a multi role, multi season NA challenger, despite never hitting it once.
Not LS projecting so hard in the clip around 1:24:00. I mean lets be real LS gives most people the heebie geebies and is KNOWN for being a total weirdo. The irony.
I still like Neace, hope he comes back soon
Consider buying what on smurf?
Wanted to watch, but after the smurf affiliate link. Im out. I'm not gonna support this.
For real..? Wtf
Lol thats funny that his parents want him to go to college but then stress about cosigns.. like duhhh college is a scam how did you not know your kid was gonna go thousands in debt
As someone who plans to start ranking soon and will likely drop straight to Iron as soon as I do, I still appreciate watching Neace's free TH-cam videos. Whether or not he ever actually made Challenger he is still so far above my skill level that I can only improve by watching him.
32:00 Remember LS is someone who literally lived on the street, gambling to have money for his next meal, in a country whose native language he didn't understand, surrounded by people who absolutely despised his existence. What Neace sees as "flaunting moral superiority" is basic compassion to LS.
Literally one of the most important observations in their "interactions".
Im sad this video isn’t blowing up man. Great video
its ok,, comments like these bring me strength
People aren’t financially responsible is most of the arguments. How is it my problem if people aren’t responsible with their money?
You don't have an obligation to do anything about it even though it may be immoral to take their money if you know they will die of starvation or whatever.
The real, critical arguments here was not about financial responsibility but more about false advertisement and financial fraud
You could use this argument to support literal snake oil salesmen.
The drive by shit on Neace is dumb. When you coach bronze shitters the demand is much higher so you can charge higher prices. It just sounds like a bunch of salty pros that are mad someone is making so much money with a coaching business. Not everyone needs to a pro to coach. I've been watching Neace for many years and his content is helpful for low elo. It's very basic shit. Everyone can benefit from a coach and not all coaches need to be challenger.
A "ringer" is someone that you put on your team that acts as a "carry" because they're too good for that bracket
I have never bought a session to Neace but I did find his videos entertaining and slightly educational. I didn't go too deep into them cause I was using them as background noise and mainly entertainment. It's sad that a player and a person can be better but doesn't. If he was just honest I think he would have made less money but he would have a better name for himself.
To be fair, most of the people who pay for his coaching know it's overpriced and won't help them improve in a serious way.. Let's get real.
They're doing it in the hopes of getting praised by him on stream and having the session be on TH-cam as a video titled "Best Silver Player I've Seen...?"
Found the deranged leftist
This is actually a good point I didn't even consider. The things people will do so they can appear on something relatively popular is immense
@@DrClownPhD yeah if you watch a few of those videos, these people are fishing for compliments rather than trying to get constructive critique. And Neace is very aware of this, based on the content he puts out and the way he markets his brand.
Great video bro! Really enjoyed hour and a half of the video. Hoping for this video to blow up!
Wow thanks for watching, thought 1h+ vid would discourage people from watching
@@hazmat1 Yeah, but your video is really entertaining because of evidence and work you put into this video, so anyone with normal attention span that is not ruined by tiktok should watch this easily. Great content and keep uploading!
hahahaha, thanks man @@ДимитријеПрокоповић-к7э
I had my doubts about unsubbing him because of his big ego. This vid sealed the deal.
im glad this video gave you the necessary context
Neace can do whatever he wants but that doesn’t mean it’s okay. If I were a D3 tennis player in college looking to coach players, but I advertised myself as a Wimbledon qualifier and Olympian medal winner, would I attract more clients? Yes. And that’s 100% unethical because I actually did none of those things.
It’s actually funny because I’ve seen videos of Ap0calypse coaching, and he actually yelled less than Neace..
In Neace's defense, any industry where you're responsible for your own time treats deposits the same way. Go to a tattoo shop and drop a deposit for a tattoo and don't show up for your appointment. Tell me how it goes when you ask for your deposit back.
That and his price. If a tattoo artist of charging 100 an hour and booked out a year. He’ll bump to 150. Still a year? 200. Wow still booked out a year after doubling my prices? It seems like most people are just really upset about his challenger claim then I get that but literally everything else people have to shit on him for is like shitting on anyone else for being self employed who values their time
@@chiefbig6459 exactly. its all ego "we're better players but we dont charge that much" is literally the tldr
no surprise they got divorced, I can only imagine the next Neace files that will maybe come from this.
This is good.
There is no doubt, Neace is/was a good player and his takes make mostly sense. His game knowledge is extremally useful for players below Masters probably. His coaching is quite unique but I am not going to lie, I learned a lot. As for his prices, I think people were actually jealous of him and were virtue signaling. Market prices itself, that's actually true. You can't be responsible for other people and double check or ask if they really can afford your price. If they go to shop and buy something they can't afford, it's not shopkeeper's responsibility to control adult human being. Who problem was with Neace faking/lying about things, being sociopath and not being able to either admit some flaws or ignore those accusations. That was his downfall. Yeah, any person that puts other value on how much he is making/has in the wallet is not going to be my friend or someone I respect, I believe that was something what Neace was projecting as he could be at one point in life where someone judged him based on this premise and he took that to himself, further using it as deciding factor when valuing other people. It's pretty poetic how these flaws become a person's downfall.
As for Neace's tactics such as faking/lying about credentials, thinking about undermining others or writing anon posts from low post accounts, I believe I had this kind of ideas as 15 years old while playing 18 years old guy (I had many issues and didn't grow up as person, I was quite manipulative and used internet to validate myself because I also thought that in order to be respected, I need to lie about not being underaged or having more experience/achievements that I had in my life). The idea that grown up guy, ex soldier was doing it is sad.
Ur braindead
He lacks morals like a sociopath, but its actually narcissistic personality disorder. Started watching him in 2018 and within days, I saw allllll the traits. I had a buddy just like him. Also a former soldier. He was hardly human, but extremely good at ripping people off selling shit and being arrogant, entitled, jealous, bossy, controlling. He and Neace are like twins. Tons of male Narc TH-camrs like him. I discover at least 1-2 a year watching ordinary videos on random things. They are dangerous. 100% His wife was a victim of abuse.
Lmaoo, Im masters 50 LP peak. I have played in a few Challenger games when i duo'd with my friend in D1 at the beginning of the season. I have screenshots of me absolutely shitting on a HIGH challenger player TWO GAMES IN A ROW. But im not gonna argue that makes me a challenger lmao. Im a masters peaker that quit cuz of the decay system.
Decay? U mean u lose lp if you dont play eh?
@@E621_Rule34 yea? The decay system was so rough in masters+ that I quit climbing
legitimately jus folks mad he monetized his content in a way they wish he had, then a bunch of 1 tricks hyper analyze his coaching videos and critique that he’s giving foundational tips that apply to high tier play overall instead of hyper specific 1 trick tips that only the top 1% of players use and saying it’s bad advice. the negativity people put at him just showed that which any player has seen if in any league discord and that’s the fuckin hyper inflated ego high elo players have, the amount of times i would be in vc w high elo players and make a simple statement of something to do they would shit on me bc i wasn’t masters and up, then rattle off some super complex strategy that has like extreme circumstance where it actually works as intended, when overall the simplistic strategy would work more often then not. this seems to be the case bc the overall sentiment of high elo players and its y i hate the culture and play style league promotes is to hard carry games, the only ways to play is to play a champ that can snowball and 1v9 (so obviously that means the most meta and broken champ bc inevitably they tune the champ and nerd it bc it’s OP) it’s the reason so many of those high elo players never actually make the jump to LCS bc while they know how to succeed individually they flop when a coordinated team that works together synergizes and doesn’t rely on 1 win con jungler or mid laner to hard carry
The nishonest downfall of deace
Nuts
Stopped watching at the parts with the refunds, because at that point it became abundantly clear that you just have a hate boner and want to dunk on him. Not refunding money for people not showing up for scheduled appointments is standard for basically every business in existence, you trying to dunk on that for minutes shows your inherent bias. Not worth the watch.
Also, using tarzaned of all people as some kind of character witness is beyond hilarious and possibly the worst choice if you want to be taken seriously.
I agure that this tarzaned-neace drama can be petty, but that was just the bread of the butter. The real criticism comes around at 38:28 mark @@pellaeon2536
@@hazmat1 You literally can't defend yourself against his accusation lolz
"Youd think a military vet would understand the concept of stolen valor"
Holy I spat out my drink after hearing that........
Wait wait wait - 2:52: Are you telling me League of Legends is in such a deplorable state that you can LEGALLY advertize the fact that you want to sell (smurf) accounts? And Riot isn't doing anything about it?
Haha, classic League L
the dude talks about money so often. he's trying so hard to prove he's financially worthy of his parents. the insecurity is spilling.
Tarzan just mad his viewer didn’t give the $300 to him. Such a salty human being
I used to be a regular Neace viewer until I just could not stomach how *disgusting* he was to the people paying £300 to him. It made me genuinely nauseous, and I had to click off every single one of his videos because I was that uncomfortable. What goes around come around, bud.
Lmao…
Watching Neace reminds me of those videos of call center scammers berating their victims. Really uncomfortable.
I like Neace though
3 minutes into a negative documentary of a LoL coach you reveal that you’re sponsored by a fucking SMURF ACCOUNT MILL
Unserious. I can’t believe I clicked on this video after seeing it for so long
I stopped watching neace before all the accusations against him. He just had such terrible mental. I don't like to watch people rage gaming. Overall buzz kill
All I'm gonna say is, he may have lied and everything, but in the end he did help a lot of people ge better at league.
i think if he stayed in his own lane and just ignored everyone, no one one would really care after awhile. like its such a major point he claimed he was challenger, really all he had to do was say he was master/grandmaster and he wasn't the end-all, endgame boss for coaching. pricing was never an issue for me. like its high due to demand, and if people desperately wanted coaching, there are plenty of other options. it was really his ego, lies, and attacks that kept focus on him.
Climbed to emerald with his videos alone. He's flawed and not perfect but I think he was a good coach for the regular dude
@@alexgracianette4347 That's how he made all the extra money...keeping the focus on him.