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@@user-cf5cy8rb5y Since when is 1 person saying something solid evidence for something being true or false? Especially when it's someone who'd say anything to cover himself since every team hes been on has had massive internal issues or just flatout ran into the ground
Some stuff (pertaining to things referencing me) are inaccurate. I wasn't the one who contacted the consulate, there was a person involved I believe her name was Genie Kim (she did a lot of foreigner visa's in Korea for the past 10years). After making her aware of everything I believe she was the one who personally called. The GenG streamer pitch came after T1 was no longer possible and I was trying to figure out another way. That initial call w/ Arnold took place when I was still living at T1 HQ and I believe it was in the cafeteria the call took place initially. A group call with them was then later setup on Kakao Talk. The sponsorship part yes, Nemesis was brought under the same agency as me but not many sponsors were "given" or cut to him the way the video says. Some of my much larger sponsorships I did siphon money from my own contract in order to get him his own contract made and integrate him into the contracts (the super major one the siphon-contract happened with was Mobalytics, followed by what would have been ProGuides, and Skillcapped. A lot of sponsors we had were similar as we had the same agency). Some people might wonder "why do that", but as I stated multiple times on stream I was making hand-over-fist each month and Nemesis was my absolute best friend who I wanted to succeed and feel more comfortable in streaming/getting "brand" reputation (this is a thing where your agency can constantly reference that you've worked with X brands before and thus are more reputable as a brand sponsor). A lot of people constantly ask what happened between us between the obvious public information that we don't talk, and obviously I've stood by I won't discuss things publicly. At one point in my life he was my greatest friend. Despite being my greatest friend we certainly had arguments and disagreements as many friendships can have, and I was also less capable and equipped to handle situations like that compared to the current me of today. In my pursuit of certain things I would lose track of other important characteristics of friendship and there were many things I should've done differently/better in many isolated incidents. Couple this with the 2021 summer where a lot of personal hardships (several people very close to me unexpectedly died in a very short time span to one another) and my mental state lead to me leaving the Incheon house to move over an hour away to be w/ my S/O and "get away" from daily-LoL stuff further adding to my mental stress at that time. I would also say during this time period my unhealthy anxiety relationship w/ money matters lead to some other stickler situations that were certainly just stress inducing for anyone involved (that I can now after 1.5yrs of therapy and finding out I'm an autistic and how that means I quite literally don't perceive emotional situations the same way, allows me to help compartmentalize and handle better). I obviously won't talk about details or anything, nor will I elaborate further on anything that I wrote above. I've firmly stood by my stance that Nemesis is neither a toxic teammate from everything that I witnessed first hand as I was quite literally directly involved with Fnatic at several points in 2020, nor do I think a lot of negativity surrounding his reputation is accurate. He has been and will continue to likely be one of the best players the game has seen and it's very evident to anyone who watches him play. Despite our estrangement to one another now adays I have nothing but respect for him as a player and have only contrition remaining for my inability and ill-equippedness as a person to have been a better friend/person during that timeframe, I still detest anyone who would attempt to smear or undermine his achievements/skill in the game or how he is as a teammate etc. As always "actions over a prolonged period of time are infinitely most honest than any words a human can speak." This will ring true for all matters in life and if people ever want measure something. Scape-goating Nemesis the way he was done by FNC and FNC fans/socials etc is one of the most disturbing things that has happened to an elite player in western league. Edit - The FlyQuest thing would've never had me and Nemesis on the same roster(for aforementioned reasons), the pursuits happened at different times and I believe FlyQuest continued to try to pursue him even after I had declined.
Thank you for clarifying some things, and sorry about the inaccuracies. Only so much you can say, generalise and assume when you research the topic at hand. Always massively respected you for your stance on this situation, providing clarity amid the storm and defending people who deserve it
I don't know you but the Video did paint you in a rather good light. It's good to see you are a genuine person, but maybe try saying sorry. Losing friends is excruciating, repair what's broken if it can be fixed. Much love to you all.
As a former professional sport player, people like Nemesis and LS seem to be the perfect teammates, it baffles me how much humans can have a “sheep” mentality and blindly follow everything they hear/see from others, nothing but respect and love to you lads! Stay strong, amazing and true to yourselves, you rock guys!
I never liked Nemesis much, but after watching a lot of his hot takes on league meta and seeing how high he's been climbing in Korea, you can't help but respect the guy.
Oh wow I didn't realize he was practically holding rank 1 hostage lol that's insane dedication AND skill. I hope everything works out for him@@Jojifans
Being #1 in a video game that will eventually go away is not really that amazing as you have to look at what he sacrificed to do it. When LoL eventually dies and he looks back on his accomplishments, do you think he will say it's worth it based off what all he gave up to do it? I think if he's being honest with himself, the answer will be an easy no. Ppl that do this are usually running away from something and have an unhealthy relationship with the game.
@@sinnis4993 if you thinking making a lot of money makes you a capable and fully functioning adult you must be a child. Money can't buy you smarts, it can't make up for lost time, it can't mend friendships. Sounds to me like he's lost a lot to get that money. As I originally stated. He sacrificed a lot, if he's okay with that sacrifice, fine. But I think in 10-15 years he will look back and ask "Was it worth it?" And I believe the answer will be "No."
people can hate the guy all they want and yes he can see the world differently. Autistic too but LS is a kind guy that puts himself out there to help people for just helping them.
He's an amazing player if not phenomenal, but the team never seemed to have gotten along, the only one who seemed to be the most professional with Nemesis was Rekkles, Hyli and Bwipo who spoke well of him. The system they had at the time wasn't grounded either due to the egos of the players and extremely different opinions.
@@cremlindor6607 yeah that team had a lot of big egos, Bwipo, selfmade and nemesis. Really great players but that roster just fucked up their careers, look at them, 4 out of the 5 players are teamless or in a 2 division team.
21:20 ish. Nemesis and Bwipo played some games together in Korea and talked about this a little. Bwipo said he regretted not caring more about Nemesis' well being and mentioned he did not eat properly at all. I'm not sure if there was more going on than that, but having an eating disorder myself I can tell you that not eating properly alone can hinder your well being and performance by quite a lot.
Nemesis was so obviously scapegoated and sacked for the overall bad performances and lack of player synergy. The signs were clear back then, he was literally bullied out of pro-play, yet he keeps showing everyone that he is a brilliant player. I am happy that the guy found recognition elsewhere and was able to hold his own even in such unfavourable circumstances. Respect.
to be honest the missed oppertunities and his apparantly ( as it sometimes looks like it) growing dislike of game changes are probably from him being disillusioned about the pro scene. the dude wanted to be a pro, looked up to faker, tried to have the same mentality. gets signed for arguably the most well known EU team for what? to be treat like shit. to pretty much have your dream torn apart in front of you and then be made out to the world that you're a shit player and toxic. can you blame him for not instantly jumping at the chance to rejoin the pro scene
Yeah the video was like "There was a misunderstanding and they cleared it up and tried to convince him but he wouldn't join." like it's not obvious why he wasn't into it lmao.
The thing is that Nemesis failed to realize that Faker’s mentality (and in general eastern teams mentality) are not compatible on LEC or LCS. Why? Well, mainly cause players are mediocre, even more than players is a matter of who manage them. U see strict schedules imposed by coaches and management where they need to be completed from head to toe. On regular west leagues, players practice whatever the fuck they want, scriming blocks not being taken seriously, lack of discipline and many other things. That’s why players like him, Rekkles, elyoya and so others that have this constant winning hard working mentality are hated or blacklisted by players, coaches, teams and so on…
I think for me the craziest thing about the Nemesis narratives is that the same rules seemingly dont apply for the Fnatic iterations after. Supposedly better rosters (especially the Upset dickriding) produced no international results and reached 2 LEC finals in 3 years. Nemesis had to deal with arguably worse circumstances but produced better results. Curious.
Upset was in FNC for 2 years and he got a worst team to finals than Nemesis, he also performed really good at worlds at his 2nd year. Upset left because the managment was bad, same whit Nemesis. Problems are managment and bad rostet bilding.
He also joined an iritation of FNC which won comfortably both splits and made Worlds Final year prior. It's not like it was a shit lineup, he literally could not join a better team for 2019 LEC . You also leaving out the part where Rekkles left the team after 20' and they split one of the best western botlanes of all time. Cringe Nemesis stans being cringe
2018 Fnatic was great, but a decent majority of the fanbase knew they were going to be weaker than G2 heading into 2019. G2 wasn't that far behind them to begin with, and then got one of their best players in caps. Rekkles and Hyli would have needed to be broken up for Upset Hyli to be a thing. But if the current narrative is to be believed, Upset is a better adc than Rekkles to begin with. Wunder and Bwipo were very close to each other in performance, Humanoid (when joining Fnatic) was the best mid in EU in 2021, the support was the same, and Razork has so far been a better jungler than Selfmade. @@jimmymontgomery4581
I respect Nemesis a ton and FNC for sure have a rep for being a shithole internally (especially for the past few years) but FNC didn't ruin his pro career. In fact I don't even think it's ruined to this day. If he wants to compete he can, he just needs to finally accept an offer (which he is still getting multiples of every year btw). If he never ends up in pro play again there is only one person to blame and that's himself.
@@relay9461m.th-cam.com/video/bxbPQRdZxyE/w-d-xo.html, it has been known that he has had some offerings, however what has been implied is that the offerings were from mid table teams and nemesis turned them down, so yeah he is the person that is responsible for not coming back into proplay
Basically, he has to be humble and accept an offer not pretending to get first on LEC and going to international first split. U sometimes have to lose to finally win once
Best Example of this, Rekless. As much hate as that dude gets to this day, he never stopped trying. He was benched, screwed over, contract jailed. but he wasnt afraid or too proud to fall back to a minor league, grow, change and even roleswap and climb back up. and now hes in LCK CS. @@santi3256
@@eszeveszettvash6363bro there’s nothing wrong with that quote… all you can do it! There’s no time-machine to go back in time to change what was done. We all live-and-learn buddy.
During Covid I really got into League and the Esport scene. I watched those fanatic G2 games and almost all the games from all different regions. I distinctly remember nemesis going toe to toe with Caps without any issue. Self made was always taunted as this amazing jungler but I have yet to see any proof of that. Didn’t work out in Vitality, I watched Nemesis stream here and there and every time he is always playing against the best players in Korea. I want nemesis to go join a pro team (not NA) and give it another go. His steaming career is in a good enough spot he can always come back to it full time. But he might regret not trying again in the future
@@tatzecom Given how big he is right now, that is how streaming works. It would take time to get back to a comfortable position in streaming after pro if he does choose to go back to pro for a bit, but i have no doubt he would still be fine.
I love how you throw in this little eurotrash comment “Not NA” as if Europe is any better than NA. Europe’s best team got absolutely smashed by NA at last year’s worlds.
2:03 Did you really just call his hometown a "slovakian" city? 💀You do realize Slovakia and Slovenia are 2 different countries right? Nemesis is from Slovenia, not Slovakia. Edit: Just finished watching the video, it was really great and there had to be a lot of research done for sure. Keep up the great work!
@@iliyan.6618 kinda weird if you're trying to make some type of TH-cam documentary video and you can't even get the guys country right. Pointing that out makes you "ass-blasted"? You weird asf ngl
I really hope he somehow goes back to pro. I've always liked him and was a fan of him. He even got so much better. I'd love to see him compete again, although I know it's unlikely. Just such a tragedy
Nemesis only goes back, if he gets an offer from an org of a team with the potential to go and win worlds, otherwise he stays in SolOQ and streaming, since it makes more money and is more enjoyable that way (source: I saw a clip where Nemesis himself talked about it)
How nemesis ruined nemesis's career if we are honest. You know the video is biased when it said he is arguably top 4 in lck...even asked us to throw any preconceptions about nemesis and starts off the video like that. One word to describe all that delulu
This is such a very well made video tbh. as someone that cbf watching long videos, this had me real hooked. Simple, easy to understand, and POV's from all those involved really helped. Good work mate!
Lol did not expect the Destiny clip at the end. Really pertinent to the video. Great job sir, this was well researched and balanced as you did not stray from placing responsibility on Nemesis when appropriate.
@@hazmat1 for 1 nemesis is nowhere near top 4 midlaner in Zimbabwe no question about Korea nemesis is toxic he didn't get his way so he shit on selfmade/fnc/......
I wished Neme learns enough Korean to play on a LCK team tbh. Most eastern jgs are willing to play selflessly at times if their teammates prove worthy and many Korean pros all expressed approval for his play. Idk tho, league's in a rly bad spot for the past few yrs when worlds/msi isn't happening
Most people would rather work with a 9/10 they get along with then a 10/10 that is insufferable. There are a lot of extremely smart and talented people who torpedo themselves because they don't understand this. Nemesis could play 1 years on a decent team show everyone how good he is then swap to a great team but because he thinks that step is beneath him chooses to sit and home and complain instead. His ego is what killed his career.
@@dominikursic What does this have to do with anything? No one ruined his pro career except himself. He just might have to play on a team that won't win the LEC for a year and he could have a pro career if he shows a good attitude and does as well as he thinks he can. NBA superstars don't quit the league because they get traded to or drafted to a crap team. They play show their value so great teams will want them. You can't expect to go straight to the best team in the league if your not even playing.
@@scotthenderson3519 do u think he quit? He just doesnt need to play/ is waiting for good offers. If he doesnt play anymore and just streams he is set for life in slovenia
@@dominikursic /facepalm. Do you think that is the attitude teams that are serious about winning worlds are looking for? Hell NO, There is someone else that is also good pouring their and soul into getting better on a team in a league somewhere and he is going to get picked because he is showing he will do whatever it takes to win. So again, He tanked himself.
I watch Broxah's content and he is always upbeat, anti-toxic, and very positive streamer/gamer. Whenever I see Nemesis talking about anything he is negative, cynical and critical.
So many X players allegedly were handled wrong by X orgs but you don't see most players sit back and not trying to get on a team again. He's not competing because he chose it and not because of FNC. Just look at Perkz and Rekkles at G2, they ain't sitting around crying about it. FNC is such a shithole that if it wasn't for Perkzs contract which G2 fucked him over, he would have joined FNC back then and let's not forget that Rekkles was happy to go back to Fnatic TWICE. Nemesis got fucked by his weak mentality.
i loved wathcing him playing DUS, it was like a meet again with his passion, i hope he goes to any LEC team, where midlaners are underperforming rn with a few exceptions, he would help EU and maybe redeem himself, he is an insane player and any team would be lucky to have him
I think everyone is entitled to their opinions and whether or not the information in this video is true or not. No one should ever criticise ex players and cause opinionated debates on reddit like. Nemesis is or was one of the best midlaners from what I recall when he was playing and how players like Rekkles says he was the same level as Caps (apparently the best EU midlaner) should say something to everyone. I personally sad to see Nemesis in this way atm, especially if this Vel Koz pick claim is true in how Nemesis was forced to play it despite better champs in his pool. Overall, League is a team game and is obvious that FNC in 2020 were not a team, despite them being the top 4 best performing EU teams in 2020. We as fans will never know the truth and thats how it should be. Mistakes were made and if I was Nemesis during 2020 worlds, I might not bother playing to win if I knew I was going to be replaced based off how my team think I am the problem to their failures. Also, LEC was declining and still is to this day considering how G2 is playing shit and with the mass changes to FNC since 2020 is not improving to them at all. I pray that teams like KCorps or even XL at this rate can make it to worlds this year to prove a point. And i hope Nemesis can return back to pro play because EU needs a new team or a new player to hype for and to be that shining light for EU at MSI and worlds. Anyway, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I respect Nemesis since he was a good player but I do think miscommunication was the cause to his demise in FNC and how Bwipo, Selfmade and Hyli were all playing badly, they had to have someone to blame and blame the quietest team member. League is a team game and need everyone to be on the same page, especially against LPL and LCK teams.
@@hazmat1 I really appreciate the personal takes and analysis you weave in between facts as I do the whole narative of the stories you try to paint in your videos. Its all well paced and hold attention easily. You come off as very intelligent to me. Hope you get more much deserved recognition. My honest opinion, not trying to force flattery, I mean why would I, im a random on the interent Ive got no reason to glaze for rapport. All that to say to take this as an honest compliment. Best of luck mate
Did u get your facts straight ? Dardo said in interview with Thorin ( few days ago ) that Nemesis made that up, Fnatic menagement never approach him and said that there is possibility of replacing him ( during worlds ) Nemesis said to Dardo ( when Dardo asked him where did he get the info that u are getting replaced ) he read it on '' esportmaniacos ''- the esports leak. Nemesis did all of this to himself, it is known outside of Fnatic org that he can be toxic teammate, and his comments about Doinb being worst midlaner at the worlds was a nail in the coffin ) He had offers from teams in LEC and LCS but he didnt want to join anyone who didn't contest finals and worlds. That leak during worlds is his own self reading twitter... that ' other circumstance '' is was the food in hotel, nobody had big issues eating food, only Nemesis did. and about teammates being toxic during FNC vs TES ... that is a given in competitive game, nobody wants to lose being 2-0 up. do u think in any org things are shiny and all teammates get along saying praises to each other ? This is terrible title of the video. And i followed LEC and Fnatic trough that era of Nemesis. this is just blowing out of proportion and false title leading people to hate Fnatic org.
asks us to leave all our biases before watching this video, and proceeds to tell a completely one sided biased story. Like I'm not even saying that you are necessarily wrong, just everything you say has such an obvious bias to it.
At this point I don't know whether we'll ever see Nemesis on a pro team again. He's supposedly not taking "bottom/mid tier" offers and I don't think any well established and well performing team would ever gamble on Nemesis after him not having played professionally for many years. He's probably in a rough spot where accepting any offer he gets probably cuts his salary, just for the chance of playing for a mid tier team that at best can contest for a worlds spot and if that isn't good enough for him, we'll likely never see him in pro play ever again. (all assumption bases on rumors/info and general consensus)
I think this discredits Nemesis's responsiblity. He isn't a victim of a bad and toxic team but he is the middle of it. He was basicly the core issue of Fnatic. Everyone he played with basicly didn't like playing with him, no matter if it was someone with a large ego like Bwipo or a smaller one like Broxah. There is a saying: if everywhere you go is on fire, maybe consider that you are the match. Also I am not saying Selfmade and Mithy and the others aren't responsible, but there are two sides to this story. If you go from being best buds to getting hard flamed in year, there has to be a lot more than just one person getting toxic in bad situation, especially when you have played just as many before and that's when you grew close. Also why did Mithy only "force" Nemesis to play champs he doesn't like? Like he let Rekkles play the champion LS recommended him, while he supposedly very much didn't like LS, but he wouldn't let his own player have a say in champion select? Something just isn't right about this story, there are massive illogical and plothole-y things here, and it's because the truth is that Nemesis is probably the most responsible player for his own downfall. I think Nemesis is a pretty good player, definitely top half of LEC, but like let's not victimise him when he was basicly everyone's core issue in Fnatic, no matter the player for two years straight.
I agree this is a weird video just claims nemesis is a victim that did nothing wrong based on no evidence. Nemesis was bad and made things worse for himself by doing the whole "I am a weapon I have no feelings " while getting stomped every game
I don't think Nemesis's overall dislikeablilty has much to do with the whole FNC thing or because people think that he's a "bad" player. Think a lot people (from the ones I've talked--> 40ish) plainly don't find him likeable at first sight/entertaining and find him very passive as a streamer/player (not that he necessarily IS a passive person (only his friends can know that), just that he might come off that way) and in the streaming world, that's enough for people to be "offput" to watch his stream and change the channel. Not trying to connect with viewers on somewhat of a personal level is also not a good streamer characteristic. Even though streamers aren't viewers' friends and will never be, there needs to be something for viewers to latch and hold on to and Nemesis seems to lack that or at least, not show it/not know what it is/what it could be. However, I can understand why people think he's toxic but I don't think it all stems from his pro player days but from his stream/overall appearance. It took me 20ish streams and talking to 40ish people to realize why I don't like him and that's when I stopped watching. Apart from the fact I couldn't find one thing to connect to (unlike when I started watching other league streamers (LS, Jankos, Dom, Rat, Pianta etc.)), it's just constant negativity on his stream. Don't get me wrong, I do think he's a great player but I'd rather watch a youtube vod of his gameplay than his stream because the only thing I've ever seen on his stream is talking shit about the game and how everyone's bad at it EXCEPT Him and if I wanted that, I'd just go play a ranked game with unmuted chat and get the exact same experience with a possibility of getting LP and achieving something/getting experience while playing which his stream doesn't provide. I understand everyone has a huge ego in this game and that most of the streamers are toxic, but when you combine the following things: he doesn't share anything about himself + when he does talk, it's just constant negativity + he's very passive, he comes off as an "egotistical bratty kid on a high horse that needs to be disciplined by his parents" and not a fun person to "hang out/be around/"spend time with"", certainly not an entertaining streamer you can relate to (at the veeeery least to a miniscule extent). Sure, other streamers like RatIRL talk shit too but you still know something about them non-game wise and "talking shit" is not their ENTIRE stream, it's like a periodical burst and there's always something in between those bursts that separates the shit talking and gives some breathing room from it. If I was Nemesis and I experienced drastic viewer loss (not sure where he currently stands), I would try streaming with some good music and no cam and maybe I'd have a better outcome and my awesome gameplay would shine instead of the toxicity/negativity.
Humans are social, if you fail to be social, thats on you. If youre not actually just a menace in game, no team has to put up with you nor do they want to. Nemesis is a good player but i cant stand his personality, kinda the same situation as with crownshot. If you are good but replacable, you cant also have a problematic personality. Rekkles gets away with all the criticism he gets because of his brand and skill, nemesis isnt even close to that and crownshot is lucky to even be in the same conversation
How Fnatic ruined Nemesis career or how his teammates "mobbing" him?? Few days ago, Dardo said the problem with Nemesis was them team mates didn't want to play with him... and the rest of the team said it as well... So, how Fnatic could manages the situation if 4 teammates didn't want to play with you? I think is not as simple as say "Fnatic ruined his career". Dardo also said Nemesis "realized" he will not gonna be on the team after worlds because someone said it in a podcast before worlds. That people of the podcast said they didn't said it as a new or because they had that info but as an opinion because they knew Fnatic was making scrims with another midlaner because Nemesis teammates didn't want to play with him... but Nemesis knew that too! Probably Fnatic was partly on blame as organization but Nemesis and the rest of the team too.
Yea, they ruined him. It's not like he's just been sitting out because he only wants to join a top team that already has a midlaner. He's had multiple opportunities to play again, and he chooses not to. He had 1 decent year and because he likes to talk about pro play, he keeps himself relevant
18:32 sorry dude but your video and points died here. It was very loose from the start and showed alot of misunderstanding of human psychology by armchair analyzing efficiency and picks when those arent the players locked into the team at the time. But this point right here about building a Morellos for no reason vs 4 characters that heal is insane. Sylas W heals , Renekton Q heals, Rakan Q heals and Nidalee Human E heals. VS anyone else that could build anti heal on the team Azir applies it the easiest, safest and most consistant. Thats such a bad point to make when its literally the most efficient buy especially earlier against Sylas as morellos gave magic pen during this time too. Just cuz during this time LS hated Morellos doesnt mean its a bad item it was situational, this was cost effective especially due to the ramp up of the anti heal if below 50% HP from 40 to 60% effectiveness and Sylas particularly healing more the lower his health is off King Slayer making it that much more cost effective early to help kill an already snowballing Sylas to slow him down. Bad analysis for most of the video and this part was the nail in the coffin RIP
It seems to me like Nemesis is miserable playing League but is stuck playing this game since his livelihood depends on it. Any time anything changes in the game he sounds like he would rather not have to learn anything new and risk losing his position as one of the most skilled midlane players.
@@Archielolol Drututt, RatIRL, Baus and Davemon are a few examples of high elo (maybe except for Baus recently, lol) players who still seem to have fun pretty consistently
@@Archielolol Bro aren't you a Nemesis dick rider or something i see you under every nemesis clip trash talking him when you aren't even one third of his rank or game knowledge or maybe that's someone else with the same pfp.
I think the part about not wanting to learn new things is just wrong. Nemesis has been playing champions before they became meta (Tryndamere mid for example), influenced picks in pro (Angel picking Malzahar) and is also known for item builds that are uncommon (multiple ppl like Showmaker, Yamato and Jizuke referred to the Syndra Cosmic Drive build as his specific build). He also has the most fun when he explores new options in game like when Taliyah was reworked or Hwei was released. I think he just has a very vocal opinion on the game and he won’t change his mind unless he is challenged by a player he respects.
I knew LS was a contoversial guy, but come on now he helped Nemesis and so many other. Don't think people understand the commitment and the emotional and financal sacrifice/risk LS made for Nemesis, he literaly went all out to show Nemesis-es full potencial but Nemesis didn't see it that way and didn't take the opportunitie. Btw I am Slovenian and I have played high elo Master-Challenger league of legends for 8 years now, so I'm not just a random talking, could of tried going pro, around the same time Nemesis did, but currently making more money in a stable business. This is just what I think. I don't have insides on everything that happend behind the scenes and we don't realy know Nemesis or LS or anyone else in thier personal lives so its hard to realy say who is to blame.
Yeah it's crazy. Nemesis was just a guy who popped up in LS's chat and he had no benefit to gain from doing all of this, yet he did it. Props to him. Sad to know that these are not on friendly terms currently
While FNC has a lot of issues i disagree that they ruined Nemesis' career. Many players with worse skills and\or bigger ego have played in worse teams and still managed to continue playing after they left. If you stay out for so long is either your choice or you are not very good at taking opportunities.
the LS clip with the morellos on azir, it wasnt that there was no need for anti heal, in fact anti heals pretty god damn good against a comp like that. it was more the fact it was purchased as first item completion
18:30 Im plat so Im probably wrong but since you're asking for what healing there is to counter: - renekton Q and empowered Q - nidalee E - sylas W, especcially sylas, who has kills and insane heal - rakan Q and passive? dk the champ Id say there's plenty of heal to counter.
18:30 do you not see the nidalee, sylas, renekton, or rakan? Literally all those champs have healing and it is extremely common to buy early anti heal vs sylas because of his w. How can you possibly ask “what healing justifies this item?” with his direct lane opponent being sylas not to mention all the other healing. Wild.
Nemesis was a mid level Mid laner on a good team. He was never great, just hyped up. He plays Korean solo queue and people think that he is now a top 4 mid in the world…he isn’t. There is a reason why he doesn’t play professionally and it’s because that’ll get exposed and he won’t have a podium to stand on to get views anymore.
ending part was a worry for Nem. It seems like he just didn't believe in himself and had MASSIVE trust issues with anyone after 2020. He had multiply chance to go back into the scene but because he was backstabbed by fnatic, he just lost trust in everyone. Kept on second guessing everything and never tried to move on from his scars.
I haven't watched this vid but i wanna ask what u mean with backstab? I know there's a misconception around the nemesis situation and im wondering if its about that or something else.
I like the video but overall (the wording of some things, etc) it seems a bit biased towards Nemesis. Even if I agree that he was definitely a victim at worlds in 2020 based on the available info, he WAS one of the more passive midlaners, comparatively (not necessarily a bad thing). Using stats to prove it is not the correct approach - just watch the games. I think qualifying certain player statements with your opinion takes away from the quality of the video because it becomes more of an opinion piece rather than a commentary. Good job otherwise, I’ll sub
Idk its not a bad video but it seems a bit weird. U make evry teammate of nemesis look like an evil villain who hates him on a personal level and perma play sad music when u show nemesis. He is a great player but he clearly had his issues aswell and u shouldnt judge ppl so hard (e.g. Selfmade) when u prolly dont know 95% of what was going on. Nemesis for sure also wasnt the golden child and thats fine, noone is, but stop making it look he was. Again, not a bad video but way to one sided in my opinion
Nemesis was an exciting midlaner who fnc put a lot of faith into to carry games his first season, then he befriends LS after his first world and after that he turns disfunctional within the team and no carry performances are to be seen. Personally i dont think thats a coincidence. Remember how LS got dropped mysteriously by C9 despite not a single loss after 3 weeks. To me theres a pattern here thats very obvious.
how does this defend nemesis being a ”good player” coz rekkles said he is? he has mechanics but any soloQ player over master has those. and i havent seen this ”emotionless” nemesis he is a crybaby and makes every excuse possible to not have to do work on himself. only excuses its everyone elses fault but not his own incompitance. hope i never see him in proplay. lackluster at best
The video title is a bit of a stretch. Fnatic made problems for some of the players in the past sure but come on Nemesis was ignoring offers for years now. He decided to get stream money over pro but fails to realize that without pro he will never get as much money from streaming (he has negative charisma let's be real) and just his gameplay won't give him rising viewership from this point since we already know he is that good. I don't wish him anything bad but I just can't stand the way he is using his opportunities because I can clearly see the potential. Couldn't care less tho it's just annoying to see that people blame others when it's honestly on him 80% of the time.
Nemesis was a top 3 mid in EU who started his career in a top team and didnt want to downgrade afterwards. You can't tell me Nemesis couldnt do what Jankos did last year and show off on a weaker team. Nemesis is just not a real competitor otherwise he would be competing.
not gonna lie, calling it a career is a joke.. playing professionally for the LCS is more of a "job" not a "career"... the difference is at a job you make a lot of money but you hate doing it... in a career you make a moderate/livable amount of money but at least you don't hate what you do... so you do it for as long as you want. at jobs you cash out then leave... careers are more long term...
I think there was a really harsh silverlining in all this, Nemesis was getting replaced anyway, so Mithy thought he would be fine just abusing the shit out of Nemesis. Except Nemesis went to KR and actually became a much better player. 😂 without that push off the cliff, Nemesis couldn’t have spread his wings and flew up the KR ladder.
He might be this insane play every champ guy now but,back then he definetly wasn't.He had champion pool issues and he always chose to play the safe scaling mids. He was not the guy that would lock in Sylas or Akali and 1v9 like Caps. Also climbing korean soloq doesn't mean hes top 4 LCK mid cmon,soloq is a different thing. But he would for sure be top 3 mid in the current LEC so, it sucks that hes not there when he actually seems to have expanded his champ pool a lot.
i havent watched the video yet, but how can u say he is a top 4 LCK midlaner, that is just mind blowing, his last performance competively was Worlds 2020 where he got stomped by Knight every game no exception, I would for sure say Showmaker, BDD, Faker, Chovy and maybe even a few more
Dude, there was a Taric top onetrick KR at rank 1. Soloq doesn't matter for pros. He is just wasting his time grinding 10 hours day just to prove he can beat Taric top onetrick :D
At 18:28 where it's stated that proplayers are building Morello when it's not needed. You literally have Renek, Nida, Sylas and Rakan on the enemy team. How is healing reduction not needed in that situation when 4 out of 5 enemies have some form of healing.. Besides that there's a lot of stuff that's your assumption not factual though.
bro because he is good at soloque does not mean he is good at teamplay, you all new here? he said he doesnt like relationships and such , he seems like a bad teammate ngl
Literally people like Bwipo have said otherwise. Like imagine buying this hard into narratives that you refuse to listen to anyone else and just believe the “He is a bad teammate” because he has strong opinions.
I do not understand your point about Morellos at min 18:30. I see 4 champs with heal and 2 champs with very strong self heal in the enemy team. One of them is a fed Sylas who could basicly self heal half his life with one spell.
But yhe guy consistantly gets offers but rejectets them. I personally dont think he will be amazing, just the same as before, at best top3 but mostly top5. But it dosnt matter since he dosnt whant to come back unless he is in a super strong team, which given that he hasnt played for over 3, years he dosnt deserve.
Nemesis is not black listed, he gets offers all the time and he rejects them because the teams are not top3 in his opinion. Bwipo resently said that Heretics whanted him and Nemesis and he was ready to join if Nemesis came, but Neme rejected the offer so he did too. I am tired of hearing about this guy, he hasnt played competitive for 4years and people including him think that he is one of the best mids because he plays soloq well. Sorry to break your bubble but soloq is noting like competitive, its like when Selfmade said how pasive Neme is and has only 30%kp, he meant it in competetive and tou brought up his usles soloq stats where there is like 4times the kills. Nemesis has either a bloated ego from the soloq hype or is not competitive anymore and preferes to be a streamer and puts out the "i will only join a super strong team" excuse to lie to his fans that he still whants to compete. He also is saying constantly he is blacklisted and cant compete but at the same time says he gets offers from theams. I think in his mind black listed means he dosnt get offers from the top teams, problem being he hasnt played for 4 years and left as at best the fift mid so afcorse he wont get offers. He dosnt whant to put in the work and prove himself. I whant for him to come back be averadge and leave so everyone can stop screaming about how good he is and how is one of the best ever and how every roster will be better whit him on it.
I wouldn't be surprised if he is saying this blacklisted thing just to stir up drama and get his name out more. He is streamer, he needs numbers. Controversial shit gets you numbers. Maybe his pro carreer got destroyed early but there was nothing preventing him to come back. He could join others teams and prove himself. Eventually he could get into top 3 teams but it seems he doesnt want to put any work into it. There is ton of players who can play in soloque well and that never translates to pro games because in pro games you can't abuse soloque tricks. You actually have to work as a team. Maybe he is not good team player and even if his skills are good he is bad for the team. You can only do so much with skill alone. He already has ton of money to live without working so I don't buy whole thing where he doesnt want to risk streaming just to join some team.
both red and blue is good at there on sides, like a blue based player would without a doubt have better ideas and come up with good strats but a red player would see a oppertunity much faster and make use off it, so neither of those could u ever call better than the other
I mean to say he had some bad games in the TES reverse sweep series feels like an understatement. He got gapped pretty fucking hard by Knight. That said I also don't think one series should define someone's entire career.
I tried to like this video i really did... u must have put in so many hours into it and try to gather all the available info to set it up. But i cant bring myself to it. U are trying to showcase Nemesis as a victim meanwhile he is just as responsible for his circumstances as any of his teammates. So i would like to offer some constructive criticism. Lets see it piece by piece: 1. Mithy: Mithy was never 1 to mince his words and admitedly can be toxic (he got banned from pro play after all cuz of it). But he was the HEAD COACH ffs. If u dont have authority in the team and u have to argue every single day with ur players about ur decisions u will soon realise that ur players are entitled af. Now im not saying that this is Nemesis's fault, cuz its not. But there is only 1 HC who managed to win a title in LEC while not being the main authority figure in the team and that was Grabbz. Mithy was and is successful as both a player and a coach AND he made it possible for 2020 FNC to contest head on with the "Invincible" G2. And i would like to point it out that u say in the video that Mithy decided on the Vel'koz pick by himself without any good reason just cuz Chovy played it. Meanwhile there is the interview which u also included about the post game conference when he says they've played it in scrims and it was pretty good that's why he wanted to bring it in. Also u spend so much time trying to set it up like the Vel'koz pick was the main problem in G5 and how Nemesis just should have lock smth else (by his own admisson) and then proceed to explain that by the end of G4 the whole lineup was mentally broken af. Thats a paradox... if they are already have broken mentality Nemesis could have picked whatever he wanted they would've still played like shit. 2. 2020 FNC lineup: The 2020 FNC lineup was the last actually good lineup what FNC had there is no question about that. The fact that the teammates had awful relationships with each other just makes it even more unbelivable. But my problem with any info u get from them (besides Hylisang who avoids talking about this publicly) is probably a lie. Selfmade is a factual liar, toxic af and cant be consistent with his own words. Bwipo is seemingly transparant but a primadonna. Nemesis NEVER takes responsibility for anything and somehow always ends up as the victim of whatever there was in that moment. And Rekkles ohhh Rekkles... the biggest primadonna in EU who ALWAYS puts himself in the forefront, lies constantly and trying to get PR points wherever he can... U just need to watch Thorin's video about him to see how much of a douche he is. So ANYTHING i hear from that lineup (except Hylissang) i will take from a grain of salt since all 4 of them constantly changes their stories, lie, and cant for the love of God be transparent (brownie points to Bwipo he sometimes do smth like that). Also the whole FNC org is so fucking pathetic in the last 5-6 years that is unbeliveable how could some1 be this incompentent (hello Sam Matthews): awful player contracts, awful signings, 0 fan apprectiation and awful management. I dont think i heard a SINGLE positive rumour around the FNC Lol roster in the last 5 years including not only the players but the support staff as well. And Nemesis had his hands in a fair share of bullshit so... 3. Nemesis: The topic of this video, the prodigial son who could almost be like Caps but never actually had any chance to achive it. Imo one of the most pathetic person in the Lol scene who wasted his whole talent out of ego. First of all its wierd how Broxah was an MVP candidate jungle while playing with Caps was soo fucking bad with Nemesis (and not only cuz Broxah is/was mediocore af) and then Selfmade an MVP jng candidate also was bad af with Nemesis. They had a worse jng-mid synergy with Nemesis than Humannoid and Razork and thats an achivement in itself. You know how do i know that Nemesis is a bad teammate? Cuz even tho 2020 was his best year and was far better than any other mid (and his teammates) besides Caps in that year he had 0 intrests from teams. FNC's Worlds was SAVED by Rekkles and Hyli playing out of their minds constantly so yeah Nemesis wasnt all that great but neither was Bwipo or Selfmade. And while every1 knew Selfmade is a human garbage somehow he still had teams for 2 years after FNC. Just the story about how he even ended up in Korea tells u everything u need to know about Nemesis: He was too afraid to make the move alone even tho everything was set up perfectly for him and when he FINALLY decides to make the move he balks at the first obstacle he faces. Its literally only thanks to LS that he even is some1 at the moment and not 1 of those players who vanishes from the scene never to be seen again. He is also toxic af but not in the way most ppl thinks he is: he doesnt flame he is just simply not a good teammate to have. He has the individual skill but is incapable to play according the needs of his teams. Its also 1 of his toxic trait is not recognizing the situation he is in and meanwhile complaining about it constantly. For example: He was NEVER blacklisted... he fucked off to Korea and now he is a streamer for the past 3(!!!) years. It doesnt matter if he is rank 2 or rank 1 on the ladder. Its impressive for sure but he didnt play competetive for 3 years BY HIS OWN FUCKING WILL. He isnt 18-9 anymore to get signed by the biggest LEC teams without not proving himself in an another team first. The teams wont swap Caps, Huma or Larssen for Nemesis who didnt played in a team for 3 years but rank 2 on the KR ladder. He HAD teams trying to sign him in EVERY.SINGLE.OFFSEASON. He just decided that he makes more money while streaming and he is BETTER than what team wanting to sign him is. Which may very well be true but it doesnt matter since again... he wont get a contract to G2 or Damwon just cuz he is top ranked in soloq. Nemesis is some1 who could have achived a lot more with his carrier if he is less spineless, a bit more ballsy and a bit better in recognising his own circumstances.
The thing people dont understand about team sports is that systems can make or break individuals. You can have the raw skill to be a master class player but if the system of the team doesnt take advantage of your skills. You are way less efficient than you could be. Just because a skilled player doesnt perform on a team most of the time doesnt mean the player magically lost their skills. Most of the time, its just the system not using them properly.
@@Ghost0fDeath1 i meant with top teams. He didn't get another chance with top teams. Not because he didn't want to but because he is blacklisted which is what he said himself.
@@user-bx4hc1bj5c he was not upgrade for any top team in europe, all larsen, huma, caps at that time were better and now those teams dont even consider him an option since being so long out of pro play is being a wildcard and if u add that he was problematic to work with is not a plus is eyes of these orgs that are suppose to hire him
@@PostonPL Have you even watched the video at all or are you just parroting what you think? Nemesis was blacklisted by all the top orgs that could actually do at least something internationally. The reason they didn't even bother approaching him is because of Fnatics destructive criticism about him that is likely not even remotely close to the truth. Even to this day he would never get an offer from the top EU teams despite smashing LCK solo queue... If you want to stick your head in the sand then go ahead but don't come & bother me about it.
@@user-bx4hc1bj5c "Fnatics destructive criticism about him that is likely not even remotely close to the truth." and how do u know that? nemesis even himself said in don jake podcast that he cant stand dumb ppl(ppl less intelligent than him is his opinion) and then he said that he would call them stupid in their face, which top organisation should downgrade into worse player who also says stuff like this to his coach, name 1 org.
Nemesis just knows he doesn't want to go to NA. For a player that values soloq practice NA is a death sentence to form and mental. Also being the best team in NA doesn't really translate to international performance. He knows it has to be LEC. He said he would have joined the Flyquest roster if it was an LEC team. So the issue was never the players. Its the region.
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What's your thoughts on Nemesis's career? Was it all deserved, or does he deserve a second chance?
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the thing at 14.30 is wrong. check thorins interview with Dardo. he says it is not true.
also Rekkles did not want Nemesis to stay either. this is also proven by dardo comments.
You can't say Fnatic ruined him when he always have offers he refuses
@@user-cf5cy8rb5y Since when is 1 person saying something solid evidence for something being true or false? Especially when it's someone who'd say anything to cover himself since every team hes been on has had massive internal issues or just flatout ran into the ground
@@user-cf5cy8rb5y source? b/c according to LS, Rekkles wanted Nemesis to stay th-cam.com/video/dBNMgH0yMwc/w-d-xo.html
Some stuff (pertaining to things referencing me) are inaccurate.
I wasn't the one who contacted the consulate, there was a person involved I believe her name was Genie Kim (she did a lot of foreigner visa's in Korea for the past 10years). After making her aware of everything I believe she was the one who personally called.
The GenG streamer pitch came after T1 was no longer possible and I was trying to figure out another way. That initial call w/ Arnold took place when I was still living at T1 HQ and I believe it was in the cafeteria the call took place initially. A group call with them was then later setup on Kakao Talk.
The sponsorship part yes, Nemesis was brought under the same agency as me but not many sponsors were "given" or cut to him the way the video says. Some of my much larger sponsorships I did siphon money from my own contract in order to get him his own contract made and integrate him into the contracts (the super major one the siphon-contract happened with was Mobalytics, followed by what would have been ProGuides, and Skillcapped. A lot of sponsors we had were similar as we had the same agency). Some people might wonder "why do that", but as I stated multiple times on stream I was making hand-over-fist each month and Nemesis was my absolute best friend who I wanted to succeed and feel more comfortable in streaming/getting "brand" reputation (this is a thing where your agency can constantly reference that you've worked with X brands before and thus are more reputable as a brand sponsor).
A lot of people constantly ask what happened between us between the obvious public information that we don't talk, and obviously I've stood by I won't discuss things publicly. At one point in my life he was my greatest friend. Despite being my greatest friend we certainly had arguments and disagreements as many friendships can have, and I was also less capable and equipped to handle situations like that compared to the current me of today. In my pursuit of certain things I would lose track of other important characteristics of friendship and there were many things I should've done differently/better in many isolated incidents. Couple this with the 2021 summer where a lot of personal hardships (several people very close to me unexpectedly died in a very short time span to one another) and my mental state lead to me leaving the Incheon house to move over an hour away to be w/ my S/O and "get away" from daily-LoL stuff further adding to my mental stress at that time. I would also say during this time period my unhealthy anxiety relationship w/ money matters lead to some other stickler situations that were certainly just stress inducing for anyone involved (that I can now after 1.5yrs of therapy and finding out I'm an autistic and how that means I quite literally don't perceive emotional situations the same way, allows me to help compartmentalize and handle better).
I obviously won't talk about details or anything, nor will I elaborate further on anything that I wrote above. I've firmly stood by my stance that Nemesis is neither a toxic teammate from everything that I witnessed first hand as I was quite literally directly involved with Fnatic at several points in 2020, nor do I think a lot of negativity surrounding his reputation is accurate. He has been and will continue to likely be one of the best players the game has seen and it's very evident to anyone who watches him play. Despite our estrangement to one another now adays I have nothing but respect for him as a player and have only contrition remaining for my inability and ill-equippedness as a person to have been a better friend/person during that timeframe, I still detest anyone who would attempt to smear or undermine his achievements/skill in the game or how he is as a teammate etc.
As always "actions over a prolonged period of time are infinitely most honest than any words a human can speak." This will ring true for all matters in life and if people ever want measure something. Scape-goating Nemesis the way he was done by FNC and FNC fans/socials etc is one of the most disturbing things that has happened to an elite player in western league.
Edit - The FlyQuest thing would've never had me and Nemesis on the same roster(for aforementioned reasons), the pursuits happened at different times and I believe FlyQuest continued to try to pursue him even after I had declined.
Thank you for clarifying some things, and sorry about the inaccuracies. Only so much you can say, generalise and assume when you research the topic at hand. Always massively respected you for your stance on this situation, providing clarity amid the storm and defending people who deserve it
I don't know you but the Video did paint you in a rather good light. It's good to see you are a genuine person, but maybe try saying sorry. Losing friends is excruciating, repair what's broken if it can be fixed. Much love to you all.
As a former professional sport player, people like Nemesis and LS seem to be the perfect teammates, it baffles me how much humans can have a “sheep” mentality and blindly follow everything they hear/see from others, nothing but respect and love to you lads! Stay strong, amazing and true to yourselves, you rock guys!
King Behavior.
very eloquent thank u mr last shadow
I never liked Nemesis much, but after watching a lot of his hot takes on league meta and seeing how high he's been climbing in Korea, you can't help but respect the guy.
better late than never. He's been reaching rank 1 korea two-three years in a roll now. He's actually insane.
Oh wow I didn't realize he was practically holding rank 1 hostage lol that's insane dedication AND skill. I hope everything works out for him@@Jojifans
Being #1 in a video game that will eventually go away is not really that amazing as you have to look at what he sacrificed to do it. When LoL eventually dies and he looks back on his accomplishments, do you think he will say it's worth it based off what all he gave up to do it? I think if he's being honest with himself, the answer will be an easy no. Ppl that do this are usually running away from something and have an unhealthy relationship with the game.
@@nikonFB1988 you know that he is making a fortune? so...he is well equipped for adulthood....envy much?
@@sinnis4993 if you thinking making a lot of money makes you a capable and fully functioning adult you must be a child. Money can't buy you smarts, it can't make up for lost time, it can't mend friendships. Sounds to me like he's lost a lot to get that money. As I originally stated. He sacrificed a lot, if he's okay with that sacrifice, fine. But I think in 10-15 years he will look back and ask "Was it worth it?" And I believe the answer will be "No."
wow respect to LS for doing so much to help others in this weird ass esports environment
people can hate the guy all they want and yes he can see the world differently. Autistic too but LS is a kind guy that puts himself out there to help people for just helping them.
LS is an absolute gem who doesn't fuck around and supports those who need it whether you like his personality or not
If only he didn't clown himself by attacking Nightblu3 and dying on that hill.
@@Dionisisdenis u mean that pedo nightblu3 that toxic rat?
@@Dionisisdenis I mean NB3 is ass.
He's an amazing player if not phenomenal, but the team never seemed to have gotten along, the only one who seemed to be the most professional with Nemesis was Rekkles, Hyli and Bwipo who spoke well of him. The system they had at the time wasn't grounded either due to the egos of the players and extremely different opinions.
That FNC team hated each other. But they had no choice but to play well in order to accomplish anything at Worlds
@@cremlindor6607 yeah that team had a lot of big egos, Bwipo, selfmade and nemesis. Really great players but that roster just fucked up their careers, look at them, 4 out of the 5 players are teamless or in a 2 division team.
@@shujagal8744 And now we live in a world where Rekkles is playing for T1 Academy. Crazy how things work.
So everybody but broxah xD
Which is a upgrade no matter how you look at it. Rekkles could still achieve things and he's having a great performance in KR soloq.@@rangered_64
21:20 ish. Nemesis and Bwipo played some games together in Korea and talked about this a little. Bwipo said he regretted not caring more about Nemesis' well being and mentioned he did not eat properly at all. I'm not sure if there was more going on than that, but having an eating disorder myself I can tell you that not eating properly alone can hinder your well being and performance by quite a lot.
Nemesis was so obviously scapegoated and sacked for the overall bad performances and lack of player synergy. The signs were clear back then, he was literally bullied out of pro-play, yet he keeps showing everyone that he is a brilliant player. I am happy that the guy found recognition elsewhere and was able to hold his own even in such unfavourable circumstances. Respect.
What's interesting is that Nemesis, Bwipo and Hylli wanted to play together this year. Would've been sick to see them in the LEC
the problem isn't with them, it's with sam and dardo
@@ml-bk9rzThey don't have to play on Fnatic, it's a shithole and why Caps decided to leave for G2 in 2018 even though Fnatic's offer was better
to be honest the missed oppertunities and his apparantly ( as it sometimes looks like it) growing dislike of game changes are probably from him being disillusioned about the pro scene. the dude wanted to be a pro, looked up to faker, tried to have the same mentality. gets signed for arguably the most well known EU team for what? to be treat like shit. to pretty much have your dream torn apart in front of you and then be made out to the world that you're a shit player and toxic. can you blame him for not instantly jumping at the chance to rejoin the pro scene
Yeah the video was like "There was a misunderstanding and they cleared it up and tried to convince him but he wouldn't join." like it's not obvious why he wasn't into it lmao.
The thing is that Nemesis failed to realize that Faker’s mentality (and in general eastern teams mentality) are not compatible on LEC or LCS. Why? Well, mainly cause players are mediocre, even more than players is a matter of who manage them. U see strict schedules imposed by coaches and management where they need to be completed from head to toe. On regular west leagues, players practice whatever the fuck they want, scriming blocks not being taken seriously, lack of discipline and many other things. That’s why players like him, Rekkles, elyoya and so others that have this constant winning hard working mentality are hated or blacklisted by players, coaches, teams and so on…
if you cant make healthy arguments, get your point across, cant get on well with your temmates, your talent and determination doesnt mean much
Exactly. Achieve most of your dreams to have them be turned into toxic memories. Can't blame him for choosing happiness over a pro career.
I think for me the craziest thing about the Nemesis narratives is that the same rules seemingly dont apply for the Fnatic iterations after. Supposedly better rosters (especially the Upset dickriding) produced no international results and reached 2 LEC finals in 3 years. Nemesis had to deal with arguably worse circumstances but produced better results. Curious.
Upset was in FNC for 2 years and he got a worst team to finals than Nemesis, he also performed really good at worlds at his 2nd year.
Upset left because the managment was bad, same whit Nemesis.
Problems are managment and bad rostet bilding.
Upset riders are fast. 👀
He also joined an iritation of FNC which won comfortably both splits and made Worlds Final year prior. It's not like it was a shit lineup, he literally could not join a better team for 2019 LEC . You also leaving out the part where Rekkles left the team after 20' and they split one of the best western botlanes of all time. Cringe Nemesis stans being cringe
@@stefankatsarov5806 worse team Wunder, Razork, Humanoid, Hylli are u drunk
2018 Fnatic was great, but a decent majority of the fanbase knew they were going to be weaker than G2 heading into 2019. G2 wasn't that far behind them to begin with, and then got one of their best players in caps. Rekkles and Hyli would have needed to be broken up for Upset Hyli to be a thing. But if the current narrative is to be believed, Upset is a better adc than Rekkles to begin with. Wunder and Bwipo were very close to each other in performance, Humanoid (when joining Fnatic) was the best mid in EU in 2021, the support was the same, and Razork has so far been a better jungler than Selfmade. @@jimmymontgomery4581
I respect Nemesis a ton and FNC for sure have a rep for being a shithole internally (especially for the past few years) but FNC didn't ruin his pro career. In fact I don't even think it's ruined to this day. If he wants to compete he can, he just needs to finally accept an offer (which he is still getting multiples of every year btw). If he never ends up in pro play again there is only one person to blame and that's himself.
Source trust me bro
@@relay9461m.th-cam.com/video/bxbPQRdZxyE/w-d-xo.html, it has been known that he has had some offerings, however what has been implied is that the offerings were from mid table teams and nemesis turned them down, so yeah he is the person that is responsible for not coming back into proplay
Basically, he has to be humble and accept an offer not pretending to get first on LEC and going to international first split. U sometimes have to lose to finally win once
Agree.
Best Example of this, Rekless. As much hate as that dude gets to this day, he never stopped trying. He was benched, screwed over, contract jailed. but he wasnt afraid or too proud to fall back to a minor league, grow, change and even roleswap and climb back up. and now hes in LCK CS. @@santi3256
Props to Bwipo though for apologising and saying he regrets what he said. I think the way he said it was very sincere.
100%
"i live life i make mistakes and i deal with them" yeah sure buddy ruin somebody and you the one who "deal with them", what a terrible pc of garbage
@@eszeveszettvash6363bro there’s nothing wrong with that quote… all you can do it! There’s no time-machine to go back in time to change what was done. We all live-and-learn buddy.
carrier gets ruined*
-We all live-and-learn buddy
@@eszeveszettvash6363 Then how would YOU redeem yourself if you were in his shoes?
excited to watch this through, appreciate the work you do mate 👍
Bwipo being classified as red is a federal crime, the man is the most open minded player I have ever seen
Number One problem with Nemisis is that he acts entitled to a good team, instead of earning his way back, That i cannot respect.
During Covid I really got into League and the Esport scene. I watched those fanatic G2 games and almost all the games from all different regions. I distinctly remember nemesis going toe to toe with Caps without any issue. Self made was always taunted as this amazing jungler but I have yet to see any proof of that. Didn’t work out in Vitality, I watched Nemesis stream here and there and every time he is always playing against the best players in Korea. I want nemesis to go join a pro team (not NA) and give it another go. His steaming career is in a good enough spot he can always come back to it full time. But he might regret not trying again in the future
>His steaming career is in a good enough spot he can always come back to it full time
thats not how streaming works my guy
@@tatzecom he can always come back. Thats how streaming works if you are big enough
being in a pro team is not worth it by a long shot if you make way more streaming
@@tatzecom Given how big he is right now, that is how streaming works. It would take time to get back to a comfortable position in streaming after pro if he does choose to go back to pro for a bit, but i have no doubt he would still be fine.
I love how you throw in this little eurotrash comment “Not NA” as if Europe is any better than NA. Europe’s best team got absolutely smashed by NA at last year’s worlds.
2:03 Did you really just call his hometown a "slovakian" city? 💀You do realize Slovakia and Slovenia are 2 different countries right? Nemesis is from Slovenia, not Slovakia.
Edit: Just finished watching the video, it was really great and there had to be a lot of research done for sure. Keep up the great work!
was just about to mention slovakian city xD
Bro, you got so ass-blasted because he misspoke once. Chill out.
@@iliyan.6618 kinda weird if you're trying to make some type of TH-cam documentary video and you can't even get the guys country right. Pointing that out makes you "ass-blasted"? You weird asf ngl
bro chill i just find it funny lol@@iliyan.6618
@@iliyan.6618 don't cause a fuss
I really hope he somehow goes back to pro. I've always liked him and was a fan of him. He even got so much better. I'd love to see him compete again, although I know it's unlikely. Just such a tragedy
Nemesis only goes back, if he gets an offer from an org of a team with the potential to go and win worlds, otherwise he stays in SolOQ and streaming, since it makes more money and is more enjoyable that way (source: I saw a clip where Nemesis himself talked about it)
@@vnstyler61 Source = Trust me bro
How nemesis ruined nemesis's career if we are honest. You know the video is biased when it said he is arguably top 4 in lck...even asked us to throw any preconceptions about nemesis and starts off the video like that. One word to describe all that delulu
This is such a very well made video tbh. as someone that cbf watching long videos, this had me real hooked. Simple, easy to understand, and POV's from all those involved really helped. Good work mate!
Lol did not expect the Destiny clip at the end. Really pertinent to the video. Great job sir, this was well researched and balanced as you did not stray from placing responsibility on Nemesis when appropriate.
is this guy nemesis's lawyer? Top tier advocate, top tier spinning of a story.
What's wrong with the story?
@@hazmat1 for 1 nemesis is nowhere near top 4 midlaner in Zimbabwe no question about Korea nemesis is toxic he didn't get his way so he shit on selfmade/fnc/......
i just have the biggest sympathy for people like nemesis, it is this kind of person, that i would allways stand up for
I wished Neme learns enough Korean to play on a LCK team tbh. Most eastern jgs are willing to play selflessly at times if their teammates prove worthy and many Korean pros all expressed approval for his play. Idk tho, league's in a rly bad spot for the past few yrs when worlds/msi isn't happening
That would be crazy! Rekkles joined T1 so perhaps other orgs will follow. Not sure if Rekkles is conversational or fluent in Korean
he is not good enough
this seems like a lot of speculation and feels pretty biased
Most people would rather work with a 9/10 they get along with then a 10/10 that is insufferable. There are a lot of extremely smart and talented people who torpedo themselves because they don't understand this.
Nemesis could play 1 years on a decent team show everyone how good he is then swap to a great team but because he thinks that step is beneath him chooses to sit and home and complain instead. His ego is what killed his career.
Your ego is wuite bigger than his my guy. He earns more money streaming then any low tier team can pay.
And he also already proved himself
@@dominikursic What does this have to do with anything? No one ruined his pro career except himself. He just might have to play on a team that won't win the LEC for a year and he could have a pro career if he shows a good attitude and does as well as he thinks he can.
NBA superstars don't quit the league because they get traded to or drafted to a crap team. They play show their value so great teams will want them. You can't expect to go straight to the best team in the league if your not even playing.
@@scotthenderson3519 do u think he quit? He just doesnt need to play/ is waiting for good offers. If he doesnt play anymore and just streams he is set for life in slovenia
@@dominikursic /facepalm. Do you think that is the attitude teams that are serious about winning worlds are looking for?
Hell NO, There is someone else that is also good pouring their and soul into getting better on a team in a league somewhere and he is going to get picked because he is showing he will do whatever it takes to win.
So again, He tanked himself.
@@scotthenderson3519 finally someone who's take is not delusional. Big props
They should have let the cook, cook. Sounds like that was the kind of guy you wanted as a coach.
I watch Broxah's content and he is always upbeat, anti-toxic, and very positive streamer/gamer.
Whenever I see Nemesis talking about anything he is negative, cynical and critical.
Maybe the world Made him this way? Imagen you are the best on your Team and shitplayers Like selfmade bwipo and hyli are destroying your career lol
So many X players allegedly were handled wrong by X orgs but you don't see most players sit back and not trying to get on a team again. He's not competing because he chose it and not because of FNC. Just look at Perkz and Rekkles at G2, they ain't sitting around crying about it. FNC is such a shithole that if it wasn't for Perkzs contract which G2 fucked him over, he would have joined FNC back then and let's not forget that Rekkles was happy to go back to Fnatic TWICE. Nemesis got fucked by his weak mentality.
i loved wathcing him playing DUS, it was like a meet again with his passion, i hope he goes to any LEC team, where midlaners are underperforming rn with a few exceptions, he would help EU and maybe redeem himself, he is an insane player and any team would be lucky to have him
Can anyone let me know if nemesis reacts to this on stream?
I think everyone is entitled to their opinions and whether or not the information in this video is true or not. No one should ever criticise ex players and cause opinionated debates on reddit like. Nemesis is or was one of the best midlaners from what I recall when he was playing and how players like Rekkles says he was the same level as Caps (apparently the best EU midlaner) should say something to everyone.
I personally sad to see Nemesis in this way atm, especially if this Vel Koz pick claim is true in how Nemesis was forced to play it despite better champs in his pool.
Overall, League is a team game and is obvious that FNC in 2020 were not a team, despite them being the top 4 best performing EU teams in 2020. We as fans will never know the truth and thats how it should be. Mistakes were made and if I was Nemesis during 2020 worlds, I might not bother playing to win if I knew I was going to be replaced based off how my team think I am the problem to their failures.
Also, LEC was declining and still is to this day considering how G2 is playing shit and with the mass changes to FNC since 2020 is not improving to them at all. I pray that teams like KCorps or even XL at this rate can make it to worlds this year to prove a point. And i hope Nemesis can return back to pro play because EU needs a new team or a new player to hype for and to be that shining light for EU at MSI and worlds.
Anyway, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I respect Nemesis since he was a good player but I do think miscommunication was the cause to his demise in FNC and how Bwipo, Selfmade and Hyli were all playing badly, they had to have someone to blame and blame the quietest team member. League is a team game and need everyone to be on the same page, especially against LPL and LCK teams.
How does the best lol content creator on YT still only have 15k subs? Give hazmat some love lads
blaha the goat 🙏🙏
@@hazmat1 I really appreciate the personal takes and analysis you weave in between facts as I do the whole narative of the stories you try to paint in your videos. Its all well paced and hold attention easily. You come off as very intelligent to me. Hope you get more much deserved recognition. My honest opinion, not trying to force flattery, I mean why would I, im a random on the interent Ive got no reason to glaze for rapport. All that to say to take this as an honest compliment. Best of luck mate
Did u get your facts straight ? Dardo said in interview with Thorin ( few days ago ) that Nemesis made that up, Fnatic menagement never approach him and said that there is possibility of replacing him ( during worlds ) Nemesis said to Dardo ( when Dardo asked him where did he get the info that u are getting replaced ) he read it on '' esportmaniacos ''- the esports leak.
Nemesis did all of this to himself, it is known outside of Fnatic org that he can be toxic teammate, and his comments about Doinb being worst midlaner at the worlds was a nail in the coffin )
He had offers from teams in LEC and LCS but he didnt want to join anyone who didn't contest finals and worlds.
That leak during worlds is his own self reading twitter...
that ' other circumstance '' is was the food in hotel, nobody had big issues eating food, only Nemesis did.
and about teammates being toxic during FNC vs TES ... that is a given in competitive game, nobody wants to lose being 2-0 up.
do u think in any org things are shiny and all teammates get along saying praises to each other ?
This is terrible title of the video.
And i followed LEC and Fnatic trough that era of Nemesis. this is just blowing out of proportion and false title leading people to hate Fnatic org.
Literally Dardo is being grilled alive by the Fnatic fanbase. Provide me the link of him stating that please
2:00 Slovakian? It's Slovenia my friend
1:23 nice attention to detail, that's why we watch your videos. Keep it up 👍
no shot blud actually read that
asks us to leave all our biases before watching this video, and proceeds to tell a completely one sided biased story. Like I'm not even saying that you are necessarily wrong, just everything you say has such an obvious bias to it.
During FNC videos he seemed like a mute only thing saying being "One Plus"
great documentary man! Hope to see Nemesis flourish in a fitting team for him one day
Everyday I pray for LS and Nemesis to become friends again
regardless of how others viewed nemesis from personal experience he is imo one of the most talented league midlaners to play against.
Fnc did not ruin nemesis' career. He himself decided to not play anymore
so basically if he was a better midlaner there would never be a problem
At this point I don't know whether we'll ever see Nemesis on a pro team again. He's supposedly not taking "bottom/mid tier" offers and I don't think any well established and well performing team would ever gamble on Nemesis after him not having played professionally for many years. He's probably in a rough spot where accepting any offer he gets probably cuts his salary, just for the chance of playing for a mid tier team that at best can contest for a worlds spot and if that isn't good enough for him, we'll likely never see him in pro play ever again. (all assumption bases on rumors/info and general consensus)
I think this discredits Nemesis's responsiblity. He isn't a victim of a bad and toxic team but he is the middle of it. He was basicly the core issue of Fnatic. Everyone he played with basicly didn't like playing with him, no matter if it was someone with a large ego like Bwipo or a smaller one like Broxah. There is a saying: if everywhere you go is on fire, maybe consider that you are the match.
Also I am not saying Selfmade and Mithy and the others aren't responsible, but there are two sides to this story. If you go from being best buds to getting hard flamed in year, there has to be a lot more than just one person getting toxic in bad situation, especially when you have played just as many before and that's when you grew close. Also why did Mithy only "force" Nemesis to play champs he doesn't like? Like he let Rekkles play the champion LS recommended him, while he supposedly very much didn't like LS, but he wouldn't let his own player have a say in champion select?
Something just isn't right about this story, there are massive illogical and plothole-y things here, and it's because the truth is that Nemesis is probably the most responsible player for his own downfall.
I think Nemesis is a pretty good player, definitely top half of LEC, but like let's not victimise him when he was basicly everyone's core issue in Fnatic, no matter the player for two years straight.
I agree this is a weird video just claims nemesis is a victim that did nothing wrong based on no evidence. Nemesis was bad and made things worse for himself by doing the whole "I am a weapon I have no feelings " while getting stomped every game
The day they sacked Nemesis, Fnatic have been a mediocre team at best. History speaks for itself.
@@lowceyn2875and he never played a professional game since. Your point?
I don't think Nemesis's overall dislikeablilty has much to do with the whole FNC thing or because people think that he's a "bad" player. Think a lot people (from the ones I've talked--> 40ish) plainly don't find him likeable at first sight/entertaining and find him very passive as a streamer/player (not that he necessarily IS a passive person (only his friends can know that), just that he might come off that way) and in the streaming world, that's enough for people to be "offput" to watch his stream and change the channel. Not trying to connect with viewers on somewhat of a personal level is also not a good streamer characteristic. Even though streamers aren't viewers' friends and will never be, there needs to be something for viewers to latch and hold on to and Nemesis seems to lack that or at least, not show it/not know what it is/what it could be.
However, I can understand why people think he's toxic but I don't think it all stems from his pro player days but from his stream/overall appearance. It took me 20ish streams and talking to 40ish people to realize why I don't like him and that's when I stopped watching. Apart from the fact I couldn't find one thing to connect to (unlike when I started watching other league streamers (LS, Jankos, Dom, Rat, Pianta etc.)), it's just constant negativity on his stream. Don't get me wrong, I do think he's a great player but I'd rather watch a youtube vod of his gameplay than his stream because the only thing I've ever seen on his stream is talking shit about the game and how everyone's bad at it EXCEPT Him and if I wanted that, I'd just go play a ranked game with unmuted chat and get the exact same experience with a possibility of getting LP and achieving something/getting experience while playing which his stream doesn't provide.
I understand everyone has a huge ego in this game and that most of the streamers are toxic, but when you combine the following things: he doesn't share anything about himself + when he does talk, it's just constant negativity + he's very passive, he comes off as an "egotistical bratty kid on a high horse that needs to be disciplined by his parents" and not a fun person to "hang out/be around/"spend time with"", certainly not an entertaining streamer you can relate to (at the veeeery least to a miniscule extent). Sure, other streamers like RatIRL talk shit too but you still know something about them non-game wise and "talking shit" is not their ENTIRE stream, it's like a periodical burst and there's always something in between those bursts that separates the shit talking and gives some breathing room from it.
If I was Nemesis and I experienced drastic viewer loss (not sure where he currently stands), I would try streaming with some good music and no cam and maybe I'd have a better outcome and my awesome gameplay would shine instead of the toxicity/negativity.
Just starting this video but i'm really glad to see someone finally covering this topic.
Humans are social, if you fail to be social, thats on you. If youre not actually just a menace in game, no team has to put up with you nor do they want to. Nemesis is a good player but i cant stand his personality, kinda the same situation as with crownshot.
If you are good but replacable, you cant also have a problematic personality. Rekkles gets away with all the criticism he gets because of his brand and skill, nemesis isnt even close to that and crownshot is lucky to even be in the same conversation
How Fnatic ruined Nemesis career or how his teammates "mobbing" him??
Few days ago, Dardo said the problem with Nemesis was them team mates didn't want to play with him... and the rest of the team said it as well...
So, how Fnatic could manages the situation if 4 teammates didn't want to play with you?
I think is not as simple as say "Fnatic ruined his career".
Dardo also said Nemesis "realized" he will not gonna be on the team after worlds because someone said it in a podcast before worlds. That people of the podcast said they didn't said it as a new or because they had that info but as an opinion because they knew Fnatic was making scrims with another midlaner because Nemesis teammates didn't want to play with him... but Nemesis knew that too!
Probably Fnatic was partly on blame as organization but Nemesis and the rest of the team too.
rekkles his prediction was insane at 12:55
Yea, they ruined him. It's not like he's just been sitting out because he only wants to join a top team that already has a midlaner. He's had multiple opportunities to play again, and he chooses not to. He had 1 decent year and because he likes to talk about pro play, he keeps himself relevant
18:32 sorry dude but your video and points died here. It was very loose from the start and showed alot of misunderstanding of human psychology by armchair analyzing efficiency and picks when those arent the players locked into the team at the time.
But this point right here about building a Morellos for no reason vs 4 characters that heal is insane. Sylas W heals , Renekton Q heals, Rakan Q heals and Nidalee Human E heals. VS anyone else that could build anti heal on the team Azir applies it the easiest, safest and most consistant. Thats such a bad point to make when its literally the most efficient buy especially earlier against Sylas as morellos gave magic pen during this time too. Just cuz during this time LS hated Morellos doesnt mean its a bad item it was situational, this was cost effective especially due to the ramp up of the anti heal if below 50% HP from 40 to 60% effectiveness and Sylas particularly healing more the lower his health is off King Slayer making it that much more cost effective early to help kill an already snowballing Sylas to slow him down.
Bad analysis for most of the video and this part was the nail in the coffin RIP
The narrative of Fnatic ruining the career when Nemesis had multiple offers each season is so stupid.
It seems to me like Nemesis is miserable playing League but is stuck playing this game since his livelihood depends on it. Any time anything changes in the game he sounds like he would rather not have to learn anything new and risk losing his position as one of the most skilled midlane players.
Well since he wanted to quit league I can't help to think that he wants to quit as well (for the reason that League is stale i guess?)
Literally every league streamer is miserable playing this game, Tyler1 used to stream 10 hours now he streams 5 to 4
@@Archielolol Drututt, RatIRL, Baus and Davemon are a few examples of high elo (maybe except for Baus recently, lol) players who still seem to have fun pretty consistently
@@Archielolol Bro aren't you a Nemesis dick rider or something i see you under every nemesis clip trash talking him when you aren't even one third of his rank or game knowledge or maybe that's someone else with the same pfp.
I think the part about not wanting to learn new things is just wrong. Nemesis has been playing champions before they became meta (Tryndamere mid for example), influenced picks in pro (Angel picking Malzahar) and is also known for item builds that are uncommon (multiple ppl like Showmaker, Yamato and Jizuke referred to the Syndra Cosmic Drive build as his specific build).
He also has the most fun when he explores new options in game like when Taliyah was reworked or Hwei was released.
I think he just has a very vocal opinion on the game and he won’t change his mind unless he is challenged by a player he respects.
Waaw i knew of this situation... But not in this detail. Amazing video
I knew LS was a contoversial guy, but come on now he helped Nemesis and so many other. Don't think people understand the commitment and the emotional and financal sacrifice/risk LS made for Nemesis, he literaly went all out to show Nemesis-es full potencial but Nemesis didn't see it that way and didn't take the opportunitie. Btw I am Slovenian and I have played high elo Master-Challenger league of legends for 8 years now, so I'm not just a random talking, could of tried going pro, around the same time Nemesis did, but currently making more money in a stable business. This is just what I think. I don't have insides on everything that happend behind the scenes and we don't realy know Nemesis or LS or anyone else in thier personal lives so its hard to realy say who is to blame.
Yeah it's crazy. Nemesis was just a guy who popped up in LS's chat and he had no benefit to gain from doing all of this, yet he did it. Props to him. Sad to know that these are not on friendly terms currently
Kakšen biznis? Fajn to, majstri ste da ste tako dobri. Moji možgani so prepočasni ..
Bro you’re literally a random 😂 why are you acting like any Master hover can go pro? 😂
While FNC has a lot of issues i disagree that they ruined Nemesis' career.
Many players with worse skills and\or bigger ego have played in worse teams and still managed to continue playing after they left.
If you stay out for so long is either your choice or you are not very good at taking opportunities.
the LS clip with the morellos on azir, it wasnt that there was no need for anti heal, in fact anti heals pretty god damn good against a comp like that. it was more the fact it was purchased as first item completion
People often call Ayn Rand's antagonists unrealistic but here they show themselves. The rot is rooted in the common philosophy of our time.
18:30 Im plat so Im probably wrong but since you're asking for what healing there is to counter:
- renekton Q and empowered Q
- nidalee E
- sylas W, especcially sylas, who has kills and insane heal
- rakan Q and passive? dk the champ
Id say there's plenty of heal to counter.
I think he ruined his career himself
18:30 do you not see the nidalee, sylas, renekton, or rakan? Literally all those champs have healing and it is extremely common to buy early anti heal vs sylas because of his w. How can you possibly ask “what healing justifies this item?” with his direct lane opponent being sylas not to mention all the other healing. Wild.
Its Slovenian not Slovakian city ... completely different countries with completely similar flags size and population
Nemesis was a mid level Mid laner on a good team. He was never great, just hyped up. He plays Korean solo queue and people think that he is now a top 4 mid in the world…he isn’t. There is a reason why he doesn’t play professionally and it’s because that’ll get exposed and he won’t have a podium to stand on to get views anymore.
Hearing all this about Mithy makes me understand now why LS brings up the C9 structure so much
2:07 Slovenia* not Slovakia..
ending part was a worry for Nem. It seems like he just didn't believe in himself and had MASSIVE trust issues with anyone after 2020. He had multiply chance to go back into the scene but because he was backstabbed by fnatic, he just lost trust in everyone. Kept on second guessing everything and never tried to move on from his scars.
I haven't watched this vid but i wanna ask what u mean with backstab? I know there's a misconception around the nemesis situation and im wondering if its about that or something else.
2:04, minor correction: Slovakia is not Slovenia. But other than that, very cool and informative video
How Nemesis owned hiw own career.
Overrated, spoiled, bad.
Who hurt you man
I like the video but overall (the wording of some things, etc) it seems a bit biased towards Nemesis. Even if I agree that he was definitely a victim at worlds in 2020 based on the available info, he WAS one of the more passive midlaners, comparatively (not necessarily a bad thing). Using stats to prove it is not the correct approach - just watch the games. I think qualifying certain player statements with your opinion takes away from the quality of the video because it becomes more of an opinion piece rather than a commentary. Good job otherwise, I’ll sub
Idk its not a bad video but it seems a bit weird. U make evry teammate of nemesis look like an evil villain who hates him on a personal level and perma play sad music when u show nemesis. He is a great player but he clearly had his issues aswell and u shouldnt judge ppl so hard (e.g. Selfmade) when u prolly dont know 95% of what was going on. Nemesis for sure also wasnt the golden child and thats fine, noone is, but stop making it look he was. Again, not a bad video but way to one sided in my opinion
nobody ruined his career, he was awful last 2 splits
Nemesis was an exciting midlaner who fnc put a lot of faith into to carry games his first season, then he befriends LS after his first world and after that he turns disfunctional within the team and no carry performances are to be seen. Personally i dont think thats a coincidence. Remember how LS got dropped mysteriously by C9 despite not a single loss after 3 weeks. To me theres a pattern here thats very obvious.
how does this defend nemesis being a ”good player” coz rekkles said he is? he has mechanics but any soloQ player over master has those. and i havent seen this ”emotionless” nemesis he is a crybaby and makes every excuse possible to not have to do work on himself. only excuses its everyone elses fault but not his own incompitance. hope i never see him in proplay. lackluster at best
22:26 excuse me?
Sylas, Nidallie, Renekton? All have massive healing.
Thank you for your time and effort in making this video :)
The video title is a bit of a stretch. Fnatic made problems for some of the players in the past sure but come on Nemesis was ignoring offers for years now. He decided to get stream money over pro but fails to realize that without pro he will never get as much money from streaming (he has negative charisma let's be real) and just his gameplay won't give him rising viewership from this point since we already know he is that good. I don't wish him anything bad but I just can't stand the way he is using his opportunities because I can clearly see the potential. Couldn't care less tho it's just annoying to see that people blame others when it's honestly on him 80% of the time.
Nemesis was a top 3 mid in EU who started his career in a top team and didnt want to downgrade afterwards. You can't tell me Nemesis couldnt do what Jankos did last year and show off on a weaker team. Nemesis is just not a real competitor otherwise he would be competing.
not gonna lie, calling it a career is a joke.. playing professionally for the LCS is more of a "job" not a "career"...
the difference is at a job you make a lot of money but you hate doing it... in a career you make a moderate/livable amount of money but at least you don't hate what you do... so you do it for as long as you want.
at jobs you cash out then leave... careers are more long term...
I think there was a really harsh silverlining in all this, Nemesis was getting replaced anyway, so Mithy thought he would be fine just abusing the shit out of Nemesis. Except Nemesis went to KR and actually became a much better player. 😂 without that push off the cliff, Nemesis couldn’t have spread his wings and flew up the KR ladder.
He might be this insane play every champ guy now but,back then he definetly wasn't.He had champion pool issues and he always chose to play the safe scaling mids.
He was not the guy that would lock in Sylas or Akali and 1v9 like Caps.
Also climbing korean soloq doesn't mean hes top 4 LCK mid cmon,soloq is a different thing.
But he would for sure be top 3 mid in the current LEC so, it sucks that hes not there when he actually seems to have expanded his champ pool a lot.
lmaooo dude hasnt been on a team since, maybe fnatic had issues sure, but his personality and ego is why no other team has signed him lmao
i havent watched the video yet, but how can u say he is a top 4 LCK midlaner, that is just mind blowing, his last performance competively was Worlds 2020 where he got stomped by Knight every game no exception, I would for sure say Showmaker, BDD, Faker, Chovy and maybe even a few more
Dude, there was a Taric top onetrick KR at rank 1. Soloq doesn't matter for pros. He is just wasting his time grinding 10 hours day just to prove he can beat Taric top onetrick :D
Why are you showing an artiacle of DFM when you're talking about the "LPL-scene" ?
At 18:28 where it's stated that proplayers are building Morello when it's not needed. You literally have Renek, Nida, Sylas and Rakan on the enemy team. How is healing reduction not needed in that situation when 4 out of 5 enemies have some form of healing..
Besides that there's a lot of stuff that's your assumption not factual though.
bro because he is good at soloque does not mean he is good at teamplay, you all new here? he said he doesnt like relationships and such , he seems like a bad teammate ngl
Literally people like Bwipo have said otherwise. Like imagine buying this hard into narratives that you refuse to listen to anyone else and just believe the “He is a bad teammate” because he has strong opinions.
the youtube comment once again strikes with "he seems" and "he said" with nothing to prove zzz
I do not understand your point about Morellos at min 18:30. I see 4 champs with heal and 2 champs with very strong self heal in the enemy team. One of them is a fed Sylas who could basicly self heal half his life with one spell.
LS and the Cook, greatest goats of all time. That Cook must've had some fucking psychology degree or someshit ong
Jesus christ, I have never seen so much misinformation in a single video....incredible
Maybe this will finally convince everyone and nemesis to give pro scene another try
But yhe guy consistantly gets offers but rejectets them.
I personally dont think he will be amazing, just the same as before, at best top3 but mostly top5.
But it dosnt matter since he dosnt whant to come back unless he is in a super strong team, which given that he hasnt played for over 3, years he dosnt deserve.
@@stefankatsarov5806"don't think he will be amazing" " at best top 3". Make up your mind mate
Nemesis is not black listed, he gets offers all the time and he rejects them because the teams are not top3 in his opinion. Bwipo resently said that Heretics whanted him and Nemesis and he was ready to join if Nemesis came, but Neme rejected the offer so he did too.
I am tired of hearing about this guy, he hasnt played competitive for 4years and people including him think that he is one of the best mids because he plays soloq well.
Sorry to break your bubble but soloq is noting like competitive, its like when Selfmade said how pasive Neme is and has only 30%kp, he meant it in competetive and tou brought up his usles soloq stats where there is like 4times the kills.
Nemesis has either a bloated ego from the soloq hype or is not competitive anymore and preferes to be a streamer and puts out the "i will only join a super strong team" excuse to lie to his fans that he still whants to compete.
He also is saying constantly he is blacklisted and cant compete but at the same time says he gets offers from theams. I think in his mind black listed means he dosnt get offers from the top teams, problem being he hasnt played for 4 years and left as at best the fift mid so afcorse he wont get offers.
He dosnt whant to put in the work and prove himself.
I whant for him to come back be averadge and leave so everyone can stop screaming about how good he is and how is one of the best ever and how every roster will be better whit him on it.
I wouldn't be surprised if he is saying this blacklisted thing just to stir up drama and get his name out more. He is streamer, he needs numbers. Controversial shit gets you numbers. Maybe his pro carreer got destroyed early but there was nothing preventing him to come back. He could join others teams and prove himself. Eventually he could get into top 3 teams but it seems he doesnt want to put any work into it. There is ton of players who can play in soloque well and that never translates to pro games because in pro games you can't abuse soloque tricks. You actually have to work as a team. Maybe he is not good team player and even if his skills are good he is bad for the team. You can only do so much with skill alone. He already has ton of money to live without working so I don't buy whole thing where he doesnt want to risk streaming just to join some team.
another great video keep up the good work brother!
both red and blue is good at there on sides, like a blue based player would without a doubt have better ideas and come up with good strats but a red player would see a oppertunity much faster and make use off it, so neither of those could u ever call better than the other
I mean to say he had some bad games in the TES reverse sweep series feels like an understatement. He got gapped pretty fucking hard by Knight. That said I also don't think one series should define someone's entire career.
how do you pump out such long videos so often?
a lot of edging inbetween my editing and scriptwriting sessions
I tried to like this video i really did... u must have put in so many hours into it and try to gather all the available info to set it up.
But i cant bring myself to it. U are trying to showcase Nemesis as a victim meanwhile he is just as responsible for his circumstances as any of his teammates. So i would like to offer some constructive criticism. Lets see it piece by piece:
1. Mithy:
Mithy was never 1 to mince his words and admitedly can be toxic (he got banned from pro play after all cuz of it). But he was the HEAD COACH ffs. If u dont have authority in the team and u have to argue every single day with ur players about ur decisions u will soon realise that ur players are entitled af. Now im not saying that this is Nemesis's fault, cuz its not. But there is only 1 HC who managed to win a title in LEC while not being the main authority figure in the team and that was Grabbz. Mithy was and is successful as both a player and a coach AND he made it possible for 2020 FNC to contest head on with the "Invincible" G2. And i would like to point it out that u say in the video that Mithy decided on the Vel'koz pick by himself without any good reason just cuz Chovy played it. Meanwhile there is the interview which u also included about the post game conference when he says they've played it in scrims and it was pretty good that's why he wanted to bring it in. Also u spend so much time trying to set it up like the Vel'koz pick was the main problem in G5 and how Nemesis just should have lock smth else (by his own admisson) and then proceed to explain that by the end of G4 the whole lineup was mentally broken af. Thats a paradox... if they are already have broken mentality Nemesis could have picked whatever he wanted they would've still played like shit.
2. 2020 FNC lineup:
The 2020 FNC lineup was the last actually good lineup what FNC had there is no question about that. The fact that the teammates had awful relationships with each other just makes it even more unbelivable. But my problem with any info u get from them (besides Hylisang who avoids talking about this publicly) is probably a lie. Selfmade is a factual liar, toxic af and cant be consistent with his own words. Bwipo is seemingly transparant but a primadonna. Nemesis NEVER takes responsibility for anything and somehow always ends up as the victim of whatever there was in that moment. And Rekkles ohhh Rekkles... the biggest primadonna in EU who ALWAYS puts himself in the forefront, lies constantly and trying to get PR points wherever he can... U just need to watch Thorin's video about him to see how much of a douche he is. So ANYTHING i hear from that lineup (except Hylissang) i will take from a grain of salt since all 4 of them constantly changes their stories, lie, and cant for the love of God be transparent (brownie points to Bwipo he sometimes do smth like that). Also the whole FNC org is so fucking pathetic in the last 5-6 years that is unbeliveable how could some1 be this incompentent (hello Sam Matthews): awful player contracts, awful signings, 0 fan apprectiation and awful management. I dont think i heard a SINGLE positive rumour around the FNC Lol roster in the last 5 years including not only the players but the support staff as well. And Nemesis had his hands in a fair share of bullshit so...
3. Nemesis:
The topic of this video, the prodigial son who could almost be like Caps but never actually had any chance to achive it. Imo one of the most pathetic person in the Lol scene who wasted his whole talent out of ego. First of all its wierd how Broxah was an MVP candidate jungle while playing with Caps was soo fucking bad with Nemesis (and not only cuz Broxah is/was mediocore af) and then Selfmade an MVP jng candidate also was bad af with Nemesis. They had a worse jng-mid synergy with Nemesis than Humannoid and Razork and thats an achivement in itself. You know how do i know that Nemesis is a bad teammate? Cuz even tho 2020 was his best year and was far better than any other mid (and his teammates) besides Caps in that year he had 0 intrests from teams. FNC's Worlds was SAVED by Rekkles and Hyli playing out of their minds constantly so yeah Nemesis wasnt all that great but neither was Bwipo or Selfmade. And while every1 knew Selfmade is a human garbage somehow he still had teams for 2 years after FNC.
Just the story about how he even ended up in Korea tells u everything u need to know about Nemesis: He was too afraid to make the move alone even tho everything was set up perfectly for him and when he FINALLY decides to make the move he balks at the first obstacle he faces. Its literally only thanks to LS that he even is some1 at the moment and not 1 of those players who vanishes from the scene never to be seen again. He is also toxic af but not in the way most ppl thinks he is: he doesnt flame he is just simply not a good teammate to have. He has the individual skill but is incapable to play according the needs of his teams.
Its also 1 of his toxic trait is not recognizing the situation he is in and meanwhile complaining about it constantly. For example: He was NEVER blacklisted... he fucked off to Korea and now he is a streamer for the past 3(!!!) years. It doesnt matter if he is rank 2 or rank 1 on the ladder. Its impressive for sure but he didnt play competetive for 3 years BY HIS OWN FUCKING WILL. He isnt 18-9 anymore to get signed by the biggest LEC teams without not proving himself in an another team first. The teams wont swap Caps, Huma or Larssen for Nemesis who didnt played in a team for 3 years but rank 2 on the KR ladder. He HAD teams trying to sign him in EVERY.SINGLE.OFFSEASON. He just decided that he makes more money while streaming and he is BETTER than what team wanting to sign him is. Which may very well be true but it doesnt matter since again... he wont get a contract to G2 or Damwon just cuz he is top ranked in soloq.
Nemesis is some1 who could have achived a lot more with his carrier if he is less spineless, a bit more ballsy and a bit better in recognising his own circumstances.
The thing people dont understand about team sports is that systems can make or break individuals. You can have the raw skill to be a master class player but if the system of the team doesnt take advantage of your skills. You are way less efficient than you could be. Just because a skilled player doesnt perform on a team most of the time doesnt mean the player magically lost their skills. Most of the time, its just the system not using them properly.
"contesting top 4 mid laners in the lck" UAHSUHAUSUASHUAHSUHASUHAUSH
I never understood why nemesis didn't get more chances but someone dardoch did.
Because he didn't want to, he got multiple offers he just didn't accept them
@@Ghost0fDeath1 i meant with top teams. He didn't get another chance with top teams. Not because he didn't want to but because he is blacklisted which is what he said himself.
@@user-bx4hc1bj5c he was not upgrade for any top team in europe, all larsen, huma, caps at that time were better and now those teams dont even consider him an option since being so long out of pro play is being a wildcard and if u add that he was problematic to work with is not a plus is eyes of these orgs that are suppose to hire him
@@PostonPL Have you even watched the video at all or are you just parroting what you think?
Nemesis was blacklisted by all the top orgs that could actually do at least something internationally. The reason they didn't even bother approaching him is because of Fnatics destructive criticism about him that is likely not even remotely close to the truth.
Even to this day he would never get an offer from the top EU teams despite smashing LCK solo queue... If you want to stick your head in the sand then go ahead but don't come & bother me about it.
@@user-bx4hc1bj5c "Fnatics destructive criticism about him that is likely not even remotely close to the truth." and how do u know that? nemesis even himself said in don jake podcast that he cant stand dumb ppl(ppl less intelligent than him is his opinion) and then he said that he would call them stupid in their face, which top organisation should downgrade into worse player who also says stuff like this to his coach, name 1 org.
Nemesis just knows he doesn't want to go to NA. For a player that values soloq practice NA is a death sentence to form and mental. Also being the best team in NA doesn't really translate to international performance. He knows it has to be LEC. He said he would have joined the Flyquest roster if it was an LEC team. So the issue was never the players. Its the region.