Hey guys! It looks like some VERY good autos were forgotten in the tier list. The tiger spite and the age old bond to be exact. I did leave out quite a few other ones but those were on purpose due to how big the list was and because the guns I left out aren’t that great + unobtainable. With that being said I’d like to rank the 2 I missed down below! Tiger spite: A tier due to the insanely clean scope it has + very good perks. Age old bond: B tier because it has almost identical stats as the abyss defiant AND has low zoom with killclip! Just doesn’t have sword logic like the abyss AND also the scope bounces a lot which sucks.
I will be doing more tier lists in the future but I will do them right next time. I will be getting most of the gameplay next time and I will include EVERY SINGLE ONE (as long as it’s not sunset). I really do apologize for missing these two since they’re very good and I want to provide the best content I can. Hope you guys still enjoyed the video ❤ I WILL DO BETTER NEXT ONE.
Reminder zoom helps recoil, stability and aim assit drop off. Zoom and rangefidner are still very much good things to go if you want to help those areas.
Rangefinder extends aim assist drop off but also narrows the cone so you get less aim assist in its normal ranges. Also it narrows fov. Too many downsides for not nearly enough benefit for me to consider using up a perk slot anymore.
Finally some love for the Firefight, which is easily my favorite auto in the game. I run adagio on it, and it literally got me my adept Igneous Hammer this weekend. It is stupid, stupid good and to me that clean cross sight cannot be beat. Criminally underrated.
On paper it does but when you take it in game it is noticeably harder to do good with high zoom from my personal experience. I’ve tried a bunch of guns to make it work but 16 zoom was just WAY too ez. Maps aren’t big enough in my opinion to take advantage of the zoom
Monte Carlo is good for melee energy, especially with my sun racer build for trials. I go flawless by cheesing maps with grenades and getting infinite health regen off that. That being said, when Markov chain times 5 is active it’s equal to swashbuckler times 5 in damage. I love monte
Hearing you call Come to Pass D tier and seeing the comment that puts the Age Old bond at A Tier is hilarious given that Age Old has very similiar stats to Come to Pass with only a slightly better PvP perk pool. I guess thats just another one of those Objective vs Subjective things.
For your consideration in the 600 category is my Forward Path, from I.B.- tap trigger, dynamic sway, accurized, BUT also Rifle Scope ST (22zoom). 67range, 71 base aim.
Definitely got to make more videos like this when the meta switches. Very informative thanks wallah. These are the same questions I be asking you in twitch chat haha
False Promises got done so dirty by the zoom nerf. It used to be a niche option for long range and felt amazing to use at distances where its 20 zoom wasn't too stifling, but now it's not special when any auto can hit super high range and the zoom just makes it feel worse. Genuinely bummed.
Thank you so much for putting this together. I appreciate your time. One question. I would love to have this list to refer too the next time I play so i can try out some that you have recommended. Have a list you can post?
you should do a handcannon and shotgun tier list next! one of the saddest things to happen in my destiny career would be the fact the I grinded the beloved and austringer red boarders while the firefright was in that pool and never finished the red boarderson it... Im very upset about it still
a concept i have always thought would be cool for people who do a series of D2 weapon tier lists is to keep adding to the same tier list as you do each weapon type so we can slowly see all weapons against eachother on one tier list
I actually have a Come to pass with 5k kills on it so far, with 98 range 43 stability 31 handling and counter balance mod making it so easy to keep on target near beam quality. I really like the scope and placing D tier seems a bit harsh perhaps C tier but I would say B would even be warranted.
Great video man personally I hate the Amit and feel in love with abyss defiant I hate the model but I actual enjoy the number glad to see it getting the love it deserves wish I can focus it
You forgot 6 other old school OG Auto Rifles..... the 450 auto rifle "The Number", The 360 auto rifle "Age-Old Bond", the 450 auto rifle "Horror Story", the 450 auto rifle "Tigerspite", the 360 auto rifle "False Promise's" and one of the better most slept on 600 rpm auto rifles in the game "The Forward Path".
I love Eidolon Ally in PvP. Very stable & accurate so it works as a good hybrid of AR & SMG ranges which has gotten me so many kills. Maybe stats aren’t as good as some others but it can still kill very efficiently & I just love the feel of it.
I use auto rifles alot, and I disagree with quite a bit of this. With the range compression, you have more options and flexibility, but it just seems like that's all ignored. Come to pass for example, can have incredibly high stability while still touting good range and still have a damage perk, if you use polygonal, steady rounds, perpetual, and a stability masterwork. That's 61 stability before p.motion kicks in, bringing it up to 81, with decent bumps in handling/reload. With Golden Tricorn, you pushing out your range a bit further and punching targets in ways some S tier autos can't, and that's just investing in stability.
F tier for Tommy's Matchbook is criminal. A 720 auto (most competitive archetype with decent stats) featuring a built in 55% damage boost is at least D tier no matter how many bullets it whiffs
Like... come on dude. 0.50 optimal TTK at all resilience levels in exchange for heating yourself up and shredding a few bullets out of a magazine of 100, and now that healing is on demand? I cannot be convinced that this gun has no place at all, terrible take
@@blitzgear02 If you got the TTK values from d2foundry it's actually not that accurate since you need some shots fired to proc the perk, which d2foundry doesn't account for, but yeah it probably doesn't belong in F tier
Been a fan a long time man, I really enjoyed seeing your perspective in this format. I share the same type of playstyle, so, more exposure=more applications. Please do more breakdowns like this! However,i do think you did Tommy's Matchbook dirty. I have used the gun on and off since release, and with the release of the skin, am now maining it. I disagree with your assessment of the shots not connecting, in fact, its just the damage numbers that dont appear. Yes, this feels very strange, however if you commit to the target as you should with any other auto rifle, the damage is in fact connecting, thus the TTK doesn't change. For a weapon with an on demand damage perk, its undeniably awesome. And very much S- tier in the right hands. Ive personally scorched a well to ignition with proper strafe to win a few post flawless games. Respect it
I actually think positive outlook has a better scope than ammit. to me ammits scope is the only thing that lets it down slightly. if the reticle was a little bigger and the circle a little smaller as per the positive out look it would be perfect
@@timcal2136 I feel that with ammit. I have to really concentrate on that tiny little dot to make sure im hitting crits as so easily lose sight of it, would help if the sights also highlight enemies such as other weapons it would make it a little clearer Such as on the werewolf which has tiny reticule dot and large/useless circle such as ammit yet have no issues
False promises you can obtain from Zür’s starhorse, and horror story you can take from collection with zen moment and rampage with random rolling scopes. False Promises have 20 zoom, so you put it in F tier, and Horror Story will be 450rpm stasis with 18 scope this year, so if you had it before, you can roll kinetic with 16 zoom scope from your collection
What you forgot to mention about suros, is that as the magazine gets lower damage gets higher. Suros Regime is the easiest plug and play that can battle some of your s teir weapons and that goes for Destiny 1 and 2
This whole tire list was (how good is this gun with kill clip) this video help with a lot of info for guns. Yes great for mid and high lv players. But new or "bad players " kill clip is a win more perk. And useless if you die first. Cover some mid lv perks for other players. Because half of your the guns you said was bad do have a place even without kill clip.
Its anecdotal but as a Tommy's Matchbook gamer i feel like this puts to words how I feel about the gun in a way that I didnt pick up on. With the range changes it definitely feels very new, in prior seasons the gun was a very good dueling gun and would be lethal in any situation where you could get a well, but recently it feels like I'm just missing a lot of my shots and it almost feels like im lagging when I feel like I've trained a lot of muscle memory to be able to stay on target. I hope this is something that causes the gun to get some visibility and actually initiates some change
Seventh Seraph carbine with reconstruction is fun against titans that like to hide behind barricades.... you can get enough bullets to get enough bullets to break the barricade, the titan with a busted shield, and an other guardian they just revived without reloading
On PVE side, I found out some crazy shiz with the Krait. If you get it with subsistence, you never have to reload during thrall waves/white bars. Pretty nuts.
Hey guys! It looks like some VERY good autos were forgotten in the tier list. The tiger spite and the age old bond to be exact. I did leave out quite a few other ones but those were on purpose due to how big the list was and because the guns I left out aren’t that great + unobtainable. With that being said I’d like to rank the 2 I missed down below!
Tiger spite: A tier due to the insanely clean scope it has + very good perks.
Age old bond: B tier because it has almost identical stats as the abyss defiant AND has low zoom with killclip! Just doesn’t have sword logic like the abyss AND also the scope bounces a lot which sucks.
I will be doing more tier lists in the future but I will do them right next time. I will be getting most of the gameplay next time and I will include EVERY SINGLE ONE (as long as it’s not sunset). I really do apologize for missing these two since they’re very good and I want to provide the best content I can. Hope you guys still enjoyed the video ❤ I WILL DO BETTER NEXT ONE.
@@SayWallahBruhhey where would you place vex mythoclast?
@@atronyc3224i actually haven’t tried it after the big nerfs so I can’t say for certain but maybe B tier? But some people said it still shreds
@SayWallahBruh what about tigerspite?
@@tootalltoft35 b-tier because it's a awoken weapon and I hate awoken individuals. Im Awokenphobic...
But queen Mara tho 😏.....
you should make a tier list for every weapon type eventually. I know they take awhile though
Yes please do an SMG one.
@@alial-amier4910I think we all know who wins..
@@offbrandbox9497The Immortal sipping tea in the corner:
SHOUTOUT TO THE PEOPLE WHO LET ME USE THEIR GAMEPLAY! THIS WOULD HAVE TAKEN ME 70000 years if I got all the gameplay myself
❤❤❤
Never would have expected a tier list from you, looking forward to it!
Ya forgot the Age Old Bond, one of the best 360s
Reminder zoom helps recoil, stability and aim assit drop off. Zoom and rangefidner are still very much good things to go if you want to help those areas.
Rangefinder with p.instrument let you get some really crispy 3taps on iggy outside effective range.
Rangefinder extends aim assist drop off but also narrows the cone so you get less aim assist in its normal ranges. Also it narrows fov. Too many downsides for not nearly enough benefit for me to consider using up a perk slot anymore.
S+ Tier: Sweet Business :D
F Tier: Everything Else :(
Interesting that the Suros exotic perk where it’s damage increases at half mag wasn’t spoken about
you're on the wrong channel for that amount of detail
@@cyclo_17he mentioned so many details tho ..
Thank you, I was thinking the same thing!
Its *
Finally some love for the Firefight, which is easily my favorite auto in the game. I run adagio on it, and it literally got me my adept Igneous Hammer this weekend. It is stupid, stupid good and to me that clean cross sight cannot be beat. Criminally underrated.
Have to agree the sight is clean
Firefright is the best
Monte Carlo with the that cool weapon skin actually makes quite good IMO. It somehow changes how the gun feels 🤷
Old sterling feels better than others for some reason
6:04 Doesn't zoom still give you less recoil and more accuracy at longer ranges? Wouldn't it make it more consistent with 20 zoom?
On paper it does but when you take it in game it is noticeably harder to do good with high zoom from my personal experience. I’ve tried a bunch of guns to make it work but 16 zoom was just WAY too ez. Maps aren’t big enough in my opinion to take advantage of the zoom
Day 296 asking for wallah to become the hammer of dawn aka devils ruin with wings of sacred dawn
This guy persistant damn
I like “The Devil of Dawn” as a name
@xThat1Guyxx it's a gears of war reference
Sweet Business is a good weapon for a specific use : Titant, Actium War Ring, PVE. For other uses, there are betters options.
Exactly! Sometimes I use Sweet Business with Actium War Ring (Chest Armor) with my Titan and it's fun as well in PVE.
Who remembers the dark times with the Hardlight meta? Every gun fight was blind firing off walls around corners
Love this kind of video! Nice change of pace over regular gameplay and really enjoyed it from your perspective
Age-old bond ghosted by this vid. My fav 360 auto by a long shot.
Try suros with slow fire mode it’s a sleeper pick bro. Melts people from pretty far
It's my number 1 weapon
Monte Carlo is good for melee energy, especially with my sun racer build for trials. I go flawless by cheesing maps with grenades and getting infinite health regen off that. That being said, when Markov chain times 5 is active it’s equal to swashbuckler times 5 in damage. I love monte
I know that you usually do individual reviews but these are genuinely super fun and helpful. Would love to see more!
Nah, you gotta make more videos like this. This is really cool to see this from you.
This is perfect tbh. Also, Bungie is possibly bringing back Breckneck from Gambit :))
Tier list for every weapon archetype?
Banger vid. I knew the firefright could be setup right! 😂🎉
Hearing you call Come to Pass D tier and seeing the comment that puts the Age Old bond at A Tier is hilarious given that Age Old has very similiar stats to Come to Pass with only a slightly better PvP perk pool. I guess thats just another one of those Objective vs Subjective things.
You should do a tier list on "ERROR CODES"
For your consideration in the 600 category is my Forward Path, from I.B.- tap trigger, dynamic sway, accurized, BUT also Rifle Scope ST (22zoom). 67range, 71 base aim.
Pretty neat concept and a good vid. Would love to see more creatively driven videos like this!
Auto rifles finally cooking in this meta 😤
Poor Chrysura Melo didn’t make the list. Got my first We Ran with that 360. I think it still drops from Dares and the new exotic mission rotator list.
It only drops in Dares and sometimes xur brings It at weekends. It is amazing, for a good time It was the only weapon that I use.
Bro forgot age old bond which can roll tap the trigger kill clip with solid stats, low zoom, a nice sight, a good origin trait, and craftability
Definitely got to make more videos like this when the meta switches. Very informative thanks wallah. These are the same questions I be asking you in twitch chat haha
could you do one for smgs?
Please make one for hc and shotguns
Finally XD we know who are the people that makes this type of content but from someone that REALLY knows how to make them shine thats new ❤
False Promises got done so dirty by the zoom nerf. It used to be a niche option for long range and felt amazing to use at distances where its 20 zoom wasn't too stifling, but now it's not special when any auto can hit super high range and the zoom just makes it feel worse. Genuinely bummed.
I have to keep reminding myself: Wallah is a Pvp player. He doesnt do PVE. When he calls a gun trash, its because he thinks its trash in PVP.
Why'd you have to do my Sweet Business dirty like that ;-; , I go flawless with that gun every single weekend, it's crazy good
you forgot tiger spite from the blind well activity. it is a 450 that can roll with kill clip. it is A tier to S tier.
Found a Chroma Rush in my vault with Dynamic Sway + Kill Clip and its been a lot of fun
I miss my ether doctor. I wish they bring it back
And where does age old bond go on the tier list?
Thank you so much for putting this together. I appreciate your time. One question. I would love to have this list to refer too the next time I play so i can try out some that you have recommended. Have a list you can post?
you should do a handcannon and shotgun tier list next! one of the saddest things to happen in my destiny career would be the fact the I grinded the beloved and austringer red boarders while the firefright was in that pool and never finished the red boarderson it... Im very upset about it still
I will do that in the near future if people like this!
I think Firefright drops from the Presage mission if you still need the red borders
Fatebringer, Igneous.
Conditional, Timelost verdict.
There you go :p
The rage bait Tier list thumbnails always work
a concept i have always thought would be cool for people who do a series of D2 weapon tier lists is to keep adding to the same tier list as you do each weapon type so we can slowly see all weapons against eachother on one tier list
Really informative! I'd like to see one for Fusion Rifles or Snipers in the near future!
I actually have a Come to pass with 5k kills on it so far, with 98 range 43 stability 31 handling and counter balance mod making it so easy to keep on target near beam quality. I really like the scope and placing D tier seems a bit harsh perhaps C tier but I would say B would even be warranted.
Hey wallah, great video. What about making a video of the best class/subclass in the game
What Black shader are you using?
I've been using a firefight for a few seasons now. Such a good weapon.
Curious what y'all think of the Age Old Bond, the Last Wish raid auto
Great video man personally I hate the Amit and feel in love with abyss defiant I hate the model but I actual enjoy the number glad to see it getting the love it deserves wish I can focus it
Wallah's S tier autos to Breakneck: "you cant sit with us!"
You forgot 6 other old school OG Auto Rifles..... the 450 auto rifle "The Number", The 360 auto rifle "Age-Old Bond", the 450 auto rifle "Horror Story", the 450 auto rifle "Tigerspite", the 360 auto rifle "False Promise's" and one of the better most slept on 600 rpm auto rifles in the game "The Forward Path".
Herod C is on there in F tier, but yes that’s a good number of autos he forgot
@@Cryhai I missed herod being in F tier, thanks for pointing it out i changed my post.
Man, you said every auto rifle? wheres the BLUES AND GREENS WALLAH I WANNA SEE THOSE!!!!!
I love Eidolon Ally in PvP. Very stable & accurate so it works as a good hybrid of AR & SMG ranges which has gotten me so many kills.
Maybe stats aren’t as good as some others but it can still kill very efficiently & I just love the feel of it.
That’s a crazy list with only one gun in the A tier.
I use auto rifles alot, and I disagree with quite a bit of this. With the range compression, you have more options and flexibility, but it just seems like that's all ignored. Come to pass for example, can have incredibly high stability while still touting good range and still have a damage perk, if you use polygonal, steady rounds, perpetual, and a stability masterwork. That's 61 stability before p.motion kicks in, bringing it up to 81, with decent bumps in handling/reload. With Golden Tricorn, you pushing out your range a bit further and punching targets in ways some S tier autos can't, and that's just investing in stability.
F tier for Tommy's Matchbook is criminal. A 720 auto (most competitive archetype with decent stats) featuring a built in 55% damage boost is at least D tier no matter how many bullets it whiffs
Like... come on dude. 0.50 optimal TTK at all resilience levels in exchange for heating yourself up and shredding a few bullets out of a magazine of 100, and now that healing is on demand? I cannot be convinced that this gun has no place at all, terrible take
@@blitzgear02 And perfect hipfire accuracy.
@@blitzgear02 If you got the TTK values from d2foundry it's actually not that accurate since you need some shots fired to proc the perk, which d2foundry doesn't account for, but yeah it probably doesn't belong in F tier
do you have a ranking like this but for pve weapons?
Love the vid Wallah! Can we get a hand cannon one too?
Remember when Hardlight gave that one map a new name, "The Death Donut"? I remember, that shit was so bad.
And when Suros was an S-Tier pick in general.
I still like the Herod-c, I do admit some stuff are better, but for me it is just a personal feeling I get with it
since vex is technically a 360, where would you have put it
You a real one for this 😭 💯 They gone love this one. Should definitely do more of these
Been a fan a long time man, I really enjoyed seeing your perspective in this format. I share the same type of playstyle, so, more exposure=more applications. Please do more breakdowns like this!
However,i do think you did Tommy's Matchbook dirty. I have used the gun on and off since release, and with the release of the skin, am now maining it. I disagree with your assessment of the shots not connecting, in fact, its just the damage numbers that dont appear. Yes, this feels very strange, however if you commit to the target as you should with any other auto rifle, the damage is in fact connecting, thus the TTK doesn't change. For a weapon with an on demand damage perk, its undeniably awesome. And very much S- tier in the right hands. Ive personally scorched a well to ignition with proper strafe to win a few post flawless games. Respect it
Aside from braytech horror story is looking a little good with the updated perk pool on it
I actually think positive outlook has a better scope than ammit. to me ammits scope is the only thing that lets it down slightly. if the reticle was a little bigger and the circle a little smaller as per the positive out look it would be perfect
Same issue i had with Mercurial Overreach, sometimes i lose sight of the reticle when it gets hectic 😂
@@timcal2136 I feel that with ammit. I have to really concentrate on that tiny little dot to make sure im hitting crits as so easily lose sight of it, would help if the sights also highlight enemies such as other weapons it would make it a little clearer Such as on the werewolf which has tiny reticule dot and large/useless circle such as ammit yet have no issues
Braytech werewolf is my favorite gun.
It's my go-to for my melee arclock build
Tigerspite didn't even make the tierlist!!! The disrespect! 😂
Tigerspite is nuts right now, too! 😢 absolutely an A+/S tier weapon, in my opinion.
False promises you can obtain from Zür’s starhorse, and horror story you can take from collection with zen moment and rampage with random rolling scopes. False Promises have 20 zoom, so you put it in F tier, and Horror Story will be 450rpm stasis with 18 scope this year, so if you had it before, you can roll kinetic with 16 zoom scope from your collection
Tigerspite on top how did you miss it😢
2 tap golden tricorn radiant igneous video
Is shadow price available again?
Forgot about Vex, since it fires like 360 auto rifle (and also very good, solid A)
Hey wallah what about tigerspite from the dreaming city/shattered throne? Its a 450 with kill clip.
positive outlook is busted with tricorn
Years later gnawing hunger still goated with the sauce
What you forgot to mention about suros, is that as the magazine gets lower damage gets higher. Suros Regime is the easiest plug and play that can battle some of your s teir weapons and that goes for Destiny 1 and 2
If 600s ever get a slight range bump I probably wouldn't ever put down Suros. It's been my favorite auto since the beginning of D1
Yeah, watching this I was like "I remember the reason why Hardlight sucks as bad as it does now, The Death Donut..." That shit was a nightmare.
Did U Play every gun for this Video ore is it more Like looking over Stats?
How do uh get Croma rush ?
This whole tire list was (how good is this gun with kill clip) this video help with a lot of info for guns. Yes great for mid and high lv players. But new or "bad players " kill clip is a win more perk. And useless if you die first. Cover some mid lv perks for other players. Because half of your the guns you said was bad do have a place even without kill clip.
What perks would you craft on your Ammit?
I will never forget the sounds of the craftening
Rufus is gonna have a contender next season with the reckless oracle being craftable
Forgot the 360 from last wish. Very good 360.
Positive Outlook is my baby. Zen makes this thing so sticky it’s crazy.
You forgot Tigerspite! Surplus killclip is insane, plus I’ve got a roll of you wanna try it out 😊
Edit: wow I should start reading top comments lol
It has a very similar scope as the Horror’s Least(tied with Outlast for the best pulse in the game)
Its anecdotal but as a Tommy's Matchbook gamer i feel like this puts to words how I feel about the gun in a way that I didnt pick up on. With the range changes it definitely feels very new, in prior seasons the gun was a very good dueling gun and would be lethal in any situation where you could get a well, but recently it feels like I'm just missing a lot of my shots and it almost feels like im lagging when I feel like I've trained a lot of muscle memory to be able to stay on target. I hope this is something that causes the gun to get some visibility and actually initiates some change
What site are you using for damage values?
d2 foundry
I cant wait for shadow price to come back as a nightfall weapon. But knowing bungie they will nerf auto rifles then they will bring back shadowprice.
14:39 you definitely underestimated tommys matchbook dude. like im mowing down through enemies 24/7 dawg
Arctic haze is my fav weapon 😭
What abt sweet business?
I hope we get aggressive frame auto rifles in the future.
Seventh Seraph carbine with reconstruction is fun against titans that like to hide behind barricades.... you can get enough bullets to get enough bullets to break the barricade, the titan with a busted shield, and an other guardian they just revived without reloading
Not if you're standing in my Controlled Demolitionist, Lengthened, Weakening Vortex Grenade you're not.
@@angelousmortis8041 Spicy. But i was only speaking from a gun point of view.... i can throw grenades too.
On PVE side, I found out some crazy shiz with the Krait. If you get it with subsistence, you never have to reload during thrall waves/white bars. Pretty nuts.
Yup. Subsistence + Rampage Kraits are add clear monsters.
Do you use controller in pvp?
Sweet Business. The end. ;)